Ryan popular?

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A USA/Gallup poll reveals that Paul Ryan is the second least popular choice for VP ever, bested only by Dan Quayle....Dan Quayle. :laugh:

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Obama received his Christmas gift a bit early this year .....

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A USA/Gallup poll reveals that Paul Ryan is the second least popular choice for VP ever, bested only by Dan Quayle....Dan Quayle. :laugh:

Then you should sleep better tonight.....you got that off your chest and you are sure your guys will be back in the WH !!!

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Then you should sleep better tonight.....you got that off your chest and you are sure your guys will be back in the WH !!!

I sleep very well every night thank you.

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I'm beginning to warm up to him. He seems to have inspired Mr. Romney to grow a set too. Wow, we may actually have a real race now.

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all we need now is for the other side to get up out of the gutter and start talking about issues that matter to Americans for America.

At some point Obama will have to make some noise about the economy and jobs and energy independence for starters. The last three years on these subjects have not fared well at all....no change and no hope so far.

btk

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At some point Willard will have to release more tax returns.

Releasing part of one return and an estimated return for another year means he definitely is hiding something.

Willard has not released any complete tax returns.

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and that would help the economy and jobs and energy independence.....how?

You know how these things work.......the tax issue for Romney will wind up about as significant as Jeramiah Wright ended up being for Obama.

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This quote is from Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff, Erskine Bowles, ONE year ago...

"“Have any of you all met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing. ... He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did, by $4 trillion. … The president as you remember, came out with a budget and I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing."

Cut This Ad! Clinton COS on Ryan: (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cut-ad-clinton-cos-ryan-guy-amazing_649942.html)

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I'm beginning to warm up to him. He seems to have inspired Mr. Romney to grow a set too. Wow, we may actually have a real race now.

Don't count on Mitt Romney growing a set anytime soon. Yesterday he canceled an appearance in Orlando for no apparent reason. Could it be that he was afraid to explain his cuts to Medicare to seniors? Then Romney traveled to Miami and never mentioned Medicare or Cuba.

Congressman Paul Ryan will be traveling to central Florida next week-end to explain his cuts to Medicare to seniors.

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I think it is quite obvious to any thinking person that Romney has basically conceded the loss of Florida to the Obama team for November. Wow, that is 29 electoral votes down the drain for Romney!

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The CBO estimated that one version of Ryan's plan, passed by the House last year, would increase retirees' out-of-pocket medical costs by about $6,400 annually.

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A USA/Gallup poll reveals that Paul Ryan is the second least popular choice for VP ever, bested only by Dan Quayle....Dan Quayle. :laugh:

well, obama was popular - and look what happened to us there! the majority of people today believe that the country is headed in the WRONG direction!

seems to me that not being popular might be more of a benefit to us that obama was/is!

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I think it is quite obvious to any thinking person that Romney has basically conceded the loss of Florida to the Obama team for November. Wow, that is 29 electoral votes down the drain for Romney!

If people do not read and understand the Ryan plan, and it is a plan and not a budget that will go into place should Romney be elected, and listen only to pundits and people who do not want to know....that could be the case.

For me, personally, as long as this country faces the fact that these things ARE GOING to need to be addressed, if that cost votes, so be it. I am an american first, and I KNOW we need to do these things as does Obama. He just will not talk about it and cost votes.

Soo.perhaps you are right...I assume you do know that the Ryan plan, and again, it is a plan, not carved anywhere...but anyway, you do know I assume that it will not, can not affect anyone in the country over 55 ? I assume you know that and I assume you have read the economists read on the future of these plans and know that his is based on facts that are not disputable at all.

If it cost votes and people get a real idea of what is going on, that is fine with me.

Must surprise you that I feel that way, but this country is in deep financial trouble and it must be addressed and will need to be addressed.

Votes you can recover later.....our financial doom is a one time thing.

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well, obama was popular - and look what happened to us there! the majority of people today believe that the country is headed in the WRONG direction!

seems to me that not being popular might be more of a benefit to us that obama was/is!

Take a gander at this link and tell me that the majority of people believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.

The link shows that the Romney/Ryan team would lose big time if the election was held right now.

Latest 2012 Presidential Polls (http://thelibertytree.me/2012/08/14/latest-2012-presidential-polls-14-aug-12-edition/)

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Take a gander at this link and tell me that the majority of people believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.

The link shows that the Romney/Ryan team would lose big time if the election was held right now.

Latest 2012 Presidential Polls (http://thelibertytree.me/2012/08/14/latest-2012-presidential-polls-14-aug-12-edition/)


and take a gander at this link: Direction of Country (http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm)

do you think the same folks participated in each of the polls cited by each of our links?

do you think the people who believe the country is headed in the wrong direction are going to vote, much less when they do vote are going pull a lever for obama/biden whom they think are leading the country astray?

please explain the rationale where if one believes that the current administration is leading the country in the wrong direction, how can they be expected to enter a voting booth and vote for the people responsible for doing so?

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and take a gander at this link: Direction of Country (http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm)

do you think the same folks participated in each of the polls cited by each of our links?

do you think the people who believe the country is headed in the wrong direction are going to vote, much less when they do vote are going pull a lever for obama/biden whom they think are leading the country astray?

please explain the rationale where if one believes that the current administration is leading the country in the wrong direction, how can they be expected to enter a voting booth and vote for the people responsible for doing so?

njbchbum....arguin using common senses will get you no where. Politics, didnt you know, is about character assassination...digging up dirt.

Oh, and only show and talk about polls when they are good for your guy....

This may not seem like it is good for the country, but......discussing the actual issues facing us is simply a waste of time.

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ElectoralVote (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)

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This may explain the obvious push to ignore anything that vaguely is close to issues from certain posters on here.

"If this year's election is going to be decided on the basis of hard facts, the Obama administration is doomed. But the Obama campaign is well aware of that, which is why we are hearing so many distracting innuendoes and outright lies about such peripheral issues as what Mitt Romney is supposed to have done while running Bain Capital -- or even what is supposed to have happened at Bain Capital, years after Mitt Romney was long gone."

The Paul Ryan Choice | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/08/14/the_paul_ryan_choice_115088.html)

I suppose that this from the same article explains the now need to defame Ryan instead of talking about issues...

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Anyone who wants to get a quick sense of who Paul Ryan is should watch a short video of a February 2010 meeting in which Congressman Ryan politely, but devastatingly, "schools" Barack Obama on the utter fraudulence of the statistics that the Obama administration was using to claim that ObamaCare would reduce the deficit. That video is available on the Drudge Report.

As a long-time member, and now chairman, of the Budget Committee in the House of Representatives, Paul Ryan is thoroughly familiar with both the facts and the fictions in the federal government's budget. In recent years, the fictions have grown much bigger than the facts. But, as Congressman Ryan reminded the president, hiding spending is not the same as reducing spending."

Oh I cannot wait until the debates !!!!!!!

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You guys couldn't wait for debates the last time around as well.

The Navy war hero and POW - a 25 year veteran and distinguished US Senator from Arizona, who was going to clean the floor up with the community organizer.

How'd that turn out?

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You guys couldn't wait for debates the last time around as well.

The Navy war hero and POW - a 25 year veteran and distinguished US Senator from Arizona, who was going to clean the floor up with the community organizer.

How'd that turn out?

And this is about Jobs, economy, deficit...which ?


I might add, for what it is worth, is that both McCain and Romney have not only avoided but turned down tons of money to pursue the character issue...just for what it is worth, but again.....lets talk about ISSUES

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This quote is from Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff, Erskine Bowles, ONE year ago...

"“Have any of you all met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing. ... He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did, by $4 trillion. … The president as you remember, came out with a budget and I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing."

Cut This Ad! Clinton COS on Ryan: (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cut-ad-clinton-cos-ryan-guy-amazing_649942.html)

Erskine Bowles must be really disappointed that Congressman Paul Ryan didn't support the Simpson-Bowles plan that he worked on.

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Erskine Bowles must be really disappointed that Congressman Paul Ryan didn't support the Simpson-Bowles plan that he worked on.

erskine bowles is disappointed that a lot more folks than paul ryan didn't support the plan, too! ;)

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Don't count on Mitt Romney growing a set anytime soon. Yesterday he canceled an appearance in Orlando for no apparent reason. Could it be that he was afraid to explain his cuts to Medicare to seniors? Then Romney traveled to Miami and never mentioned Medicare or Cuba.

Congressman Paul Ryan will be traveling to central Florida next week-end to explain his cuts to Medicare to seniors.

Good observation, it appears that Mitt's first adrenaline rush has petered out and it's back to old vanilla Mitt. Good luck to Mr. Ryan trying to explain it.

When is either side going to bring up illegal immigration? Mr. Ryan is suppose to be a numbers whiz kid. How much does illegal immigration cost the taxpayers? You want hear it.

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HAVE any you actually read what Ryan has proposed and what the Affordable Health care law actually proposes or are you just jumping to conclusions to come on here and try to destroy a single man.

BOTH...Obama and Ryan...and remember, Ryan s budget is simply a plan and not fact....the Health care plan is LAW !! They both strive to do the same exact thing in different ways and instead of discussing the ways, you folks pull out the verbal arms and just take shots. No wonder this country is screwed up....tell me how the polls are doing...that seems to be the most important thing in your lives.

Read something...learn something. You must expand your library instead of reading just one viewpoint....I read Obama and I read Ryan...the only two differences are that they seek the same thing in two different manners and one is law and one is simply a proposal !

HINT.....Obama's plan seeks more efficiency in how providers are reimbursed, while Ryan is focused on seniors having more choices in how they pay for health care, allowing the free market to drive down costs and lessening the taxpayer's burden.

And one is law and the other is a proposal....please please read something other than the sites that feed your ego or whatever it is....read what the other guy is saying also....almost like LISTENING !

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And have you seen any of this on your tweets, blogs or sites....

"s Democrats attack Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for their proposals regarding Medicare, Republicans are circulating this clip from a November 9, 2009 interview we had with President Obama in which he not only acknowledged that one third of his health care bill was paid for by cuts to Medicare, but that he would veto attempts to undo those cuts."

President Obama in 2009 Pledged to Veto Attempts to Undo Medicare Cuts - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/president-obama-in-2009-pledged-to-veto-attempts-to-undo-medicare-cuts/)

It really is different when faced with facts !!!

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He will not help Romney. Conservatives know from his votes in favor of tarp, auto bailout, raising the debt ceiling, increased budgets etc, which are contrary to his "conservative" speeches, that nothing will change with him or Romney. They Paul Ryan "extreme" budget does not balance until 2040.. THATS 28 years from now!! They may not vote or will vote for a third party candidate.
People who are against Romney from the left will surely not change their vote.
Those on the Right who disagree with Obama enough would vote for anyone no matter what the vp stands for.
The Ryan choice will shift the debate to the budget, but the Repubs will never ever do the tough political things (like drastically cut the military and social programs) to save the nation from bankruptcy.
JJ

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He will not help Romney. Conservatives know from his votes in favor of tarp, auto bailout, raising the debt ceiling, increased budgets etc, which are contrary to his "conservative" speeches, that nothing will change with him or Romney. They may not vote or will vote for a third party candidate.
People who are against Romney from the left will surely not change their vote.
Those on the Right who disagree with Obama enough would vote for anyone no matter what the vp stands for.
The Ryan choice will shift the debate to the budget, but the Repubs will never ever do the tough political things (like drastically cut the military and social programs) to save the nation from bankruptcy.
JJ

You could be right on this. From a peronal view I am glad and hope it continues...the debate on cuts in spending and the deficit. This we have to talk about.

The president can say whatever he wants while trying to get votes, but he KNOWS that medicaire has to be gotten under control...he knows it must be cut.

But while you might be right..hopefully someday we get over the calling name stuff and actually debate ways to get our financial house in order

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I think the rabid left is at their funniest on this thread. I can't believe how much their venom betrays their fear of a true blue honest American conservative.

I say that in 2 months time you guys are going to be spewing excuses instead of venom.

Take note.

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I heard a very accurate quip by representative Ken Blackwell from Ohio when asked about the dems relentless attacks on Ryan.

He said "dogs do not chase parked cars"!!!!!!

Ryan is definitely viewed as a significant threat to Obama and the dems agenda!!!!

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I heard a very accurate quip by representative Ken Blackwell from Ohio when asked about the dems relentless attacks on Ryan.

He said "dogs do not chase parked cars"!!!!!!

Ryan is definitely viewed as a significant threat to Obama and the dems agenda!!!!

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Nice one BTK. I'm going to remember that line. Thanks.

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"Liberal pundits are already fanning out in force to attack and discredit Paul Ryan. Michael Tomasky, who recently wrote a Newsweek cover story calling Mitt Romney a “wimp,” has now decided that Romney’s bold move is “a terrible choice” because Ryan has proven himself to be an extremist on budget issues.

No doubt there are many Democrats rubbing their hands in glee in contemplation of reviving some version of the ad that featured an actor playing Paul Ryan pushing a grandmother in a wheelchair off a cliff. But the smarter ones are worried."

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried - By John Fund - The Corner - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313732/smart-democrats-should-be-worried-john-fund)

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I'm one of the dumber ones. Don't worry, be happy! :smiley:

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Why not post more of that Rasmussen poll stuff? It is always good for a laugh!

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Today, Romney and Ryan will be overshadowed by the Dream Act.

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Why not post more of that Rasmussen poll stuff? It is always good for a laugh!

This from the same exact poll you were salivating over yesterday,,,


Obama Approval
45%
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Obama Disapproval
49%
+1

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Presidential Election

Romney
47%
+1
Obama
45%
-1
7-day rolling average

Gallup.Com - Daily News, Polls, Public Opinion on Politics, Economy, Wellbeing, and World (http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx)

Although, I doubt if you will read this even, and I still feel the same way about polls, I would enjoy your take on this, since this is the poll according to you and your friends on here !

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Well I'm a little worked up now as I live in Wisconsin, I'm a Republican, I know Paul Ryan and all I can say is "Just Watch and Learn".... and please stop all these untrue scare tactics about Medicare. Read his budget proposal and then speak. He actually has a plan to bring economic recovery to our country.

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Well I'm a little worked up now as I live in Wisconsin, I'm a Republican, I know Paul Ryan and all I can say is "Just Watch and Learn".... and please stop all these untrue scare tactics about Medicare. Read his budget proposal and then speak. He actually has a plan to bring economic recovery to our country.

He says they will be using Romney's plan. What is that?

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Is that the same budget proposal that Newt called "right wing social engineering"?

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Issues Home | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan (http://paulryan.house.gov/issues/)

Educate yourself

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Issues Home | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan (http://paulryan.house.gov/issues/)

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Issues Home | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan (http://paulryan.house.gov/issues/)

Here is Paul's website

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Issues Home | U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan (http://paulryan.house.gov/issues/)
Here is Paul's website

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for the sake of the dems party message the word extremist has been refined to mean ANYONE that has an opposing view and especially those who in fact are willing to do something to fix what is wrong in America.

I in fact consider myself a budget extremist by the dems accusations.
I do not believe there is ANY excuse for not having a budget. There is no such thing as not being able to balance a budget....it is as simple as 1 + 1 = 2!!!!
There is no such thing as not reducing or eliminating spending.

There is no dialogue that would include excuses why the task at hand cannot be met.

One cannot conduct fiscal responsibility and worry about being popular or worry about hurting someone's feelings.

And the advantage we had in corporate America is that if those responsible cannot/could not/would not accomplish the task we would get some one who could/would.

Lead, follow or get out of the way!!

By the new definition of budget extremist, I am proud to be one!!

btk

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Far too many Village residents fail to make friends with people who live and work outside the bubble. And no, Bailey Plaza and your server or barber do not count. They will always tell you what they think you want to hear. I have made a number of friends outside the Villages - working people and they and their facebook friends are much more enthused about Ryan than they ever were about Romney. I have two sons in the military, one in the reserves and the other in Afghanistan. They and those around them are absolutely for Romney/Ryan and against Obama/Biden.

Try making friends and involving yourself in activities outside the bubble. Ask your children and grandchildren whether or not they expect to ever receive a dime from Social Security. You may discover that the resentment against Obama and the lack of opportunity is much greater than the pollsters would have you believe.

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You do get around.

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"Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's selection of Congressman Paul Ryan as his running mate looks like a safe choice right now in Florida and other swing states, according to a new survey from Purple Poll.

Most intriguing in Florida: Romney's ticket is deadlocked with President Obama's over Medicare, 44-45%, even though Ryan is the father of he so-called "Ryan plan," which Democrats hae villified for two years for "ending Medicare." It doesn't. But the plan does end Medicare's traditional structure starting in 2022 by giving new recipients a voucher-like premium, the growth rate of which would be capped. That could lead to more out of pocket expenses for seniors.

Still, the numbers indicate the public-relations problems with ObamaCare, which fired up the right in 2010, trimmed $700 billion from future Medicare expenses and caused seniors to leave Democratic candidates in droves."

Read more here: Florida Purple Poll: Obama-Romney tied 47-48% -- and tied 45-44% over protecting Medicare(!) | Naked Politics (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/08/florida-purple-poll-obama-romney-tied-47-48-and-tied-45-44-over-protecting-medicare.html#storylink=cpy)

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"Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's selection of Congressman Paul Ryan as his running mate looks like a safe choice right now in Florida and other swing states, according to a new survey from Purple Poll.

Most intriguing in Florida: Romney's ticket is deadlocked with President Obama's over Medicare, 44-45%, even though Ryan is the father of he so-called "Ryan plan," which Democrats hae villified for two years for "ending Medicare." It doesn't. But the plan does end Medicare's traditional structure starting in 2022 by giving new recipients a voucher-like premium, the growth rate of which would be capped. That could lead to more out of pocket expenses for seniors.

Still, the numbers indicate the public-relations problems with ObamaCare, which fired up the right in 2010, trimmed $700 billion from future Medicare expenses and caused seniors to leave Democratic candidates in droves."

Read more here: Florida Purple Poll: Obama-Romney tied 47-48% -- and tied 45-44% over protecting Medicare(!) | Naked Politics (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/08/florida-purple-poll-obama-romney-tied-47-48-and-tied-45-44-over-protecting-medicare.html#storylink=cpy)

You forgot to mention that the "Ryan Plan" also lowers Mitt Romney's effective tax rate to .82%. It's no wonder that Romney thinks the plan is "mah-ve-lous".

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You forgot to mention that the "Ryan Plan" also lowers Mitt Romney's effective tax rate to .82%. It's no wonder that Romney thinks the plan is "mah-ve-lous".

Yes, someone asked you to clarify that but I missed your response to that particular post.

And again, I know this is difficult, but the Ryan plan is a PLAN a roadmap...it is not our budget or tax policy.

Oh, thats right we have NO budget anymore and if we get poor, tax the rich...excuse me

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Anyone know where I can find Paul Ryan's website?

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sure wish I had an income tax rate of 0.82%.

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sure wish I had an income tax rate of 0.82%.

So do I...so do I !!!

Isnt it amazing how they are stealing us blind right in the daylight...right under under noses. Man.....heck with them.....tax the rich...go for more..that always solves our problems....we know that !

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The CBO estimated that one version of Ryan's plan, passed by the House last year, would increase retirees' out-of-pocket medical costs by about $6,400 annually.

I read the CBO report in the link below and it did not say anything like that. From what this knuckle dragger can tell it will decrease by 15%.
Now I have to say that I don't really have any faith in either number because I think they really don't know. But either way, I can't find that your claim is true. Do you have a link to your report?


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-ryan_letter.pdf