And away we go

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"More than 1.7 million illegal immigrants could become eligible for tentative legal status Wednesday when President Obama’s non-deportation policy goes into effect, and after initial fears that the program would backfire, immigrant advocates are urging young immigrants to sign up.

Activists say the policy is the biggest change on immigration in decades, and it has roiled the political landscape, solidifying Mr. Obama’s support among Hispanics and leaving presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney struggling to say what he would do."

And this little change....

"On Tuesday, the Obama administration laid out final details, including relaxed education standards that set a low bar.

Under the rules, illegal immigrants in job training or who have enrolled in a GED course are eligible — a lesser requirement than obtaining a high school diploma or equivalency certificate."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/14/obama-is-ready-to-sign-up-immigrants/?page=all#pagebreak

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then they will pay tax to the feds and all is OK with the world. YEA

[Guest]

"More than 1.7 million illegal immigrants could become eligible for tentative legal status Wednesday when President Obama’s non-deportation policy goes into effect, and after initial fears that the program would backfire, immigrant advocates are urging young immigrants to sign up.

Activists say the policy is the biggest change on immigration in decades, and it has roiled the political landscape, solidifying Mr. Obama’s support among Hispanics and leaving presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney struggling to say what he would do."

And this little change....

"On Tuesday, the Obama administration laid out final details, including relaxed education standards that set a low bar.


Under the rules, illegal immigrants in job training or who have enrolled in a GED course are eligible — a lesser requirement than obtaining a high school diploma or equivalency certificate."

Obama is ready to sign up immigrants - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/14/obama-is-ready-to-sign-up-immigrants/?page=all#pagebreak)

Bucco, Your current non-stop threads attacking anything which remotely smacks of the Democtatic Party has, at best become tiresome. I keep trying to read this pap, but it evokes the same feelings as squeaks on the chalkboard. You seem in a frenzy to beat every little thing to death and perhaps you notice that those who look at things differently are losing interest in making replies.

But your post above is a new low. Your citing a flyspeck triviality as a means of condemning the temporary non-deportation program is an incredible cheap shot. And, are you unaware that in all employment circumstances standard high school diplomas are equivalent to the GED?

You ignore the lengthy list of requirements young immigrants must meet just to obtain a temporary work permit and postpone being summarily kicked out of the country. Are you simply jealous Rubio and other Repubs couldn't get this thing enacted quickly enough?

No serious GOP immigration proposal in recent years was MORE strict or conservative than the one now in place. The deafening silence following the Presidential order ought to be a clue that this program is just simple common sense. The current administration has deported a record number of illegal immigrants. It costs big bucks and much effort to enforce the law and this program simply moves eligible, approved young people away from top priority focus. Maybe this means we can concentrate more on deporting others, like maybe illegals who commit crimes?

If you've got nothing better to do, at least try to find something legit and important enough to take up space here.

[Guest]

"More than 1.7 million illegal immigrants could become eligible for tentative legal status Wednesday when President Obama’s non-deportation policy goes into effect, and after initial fears that the program would backfire, immigrant advocates are urging young immigrants to sign up.

Activists say the policy is the biggest change on immigration in decades, and it has roiled the political landscape, solidifying Mr. Obama’s support among Hispanics and leaving presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney struggling to say what he would do."

And this little change....

"On Tuesday, the Obama administration laid out final details, including relaxed education standards that set a low bar.

Under the rules, illegal immigrants in job training or who have enrolled in a GED course are eligible — a lesser requirement than obtaining a high school diploma or equivalency certificate."

Obama is ready to sign up immigrants - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/14/obama-is-ready-to-sign-up-immigrants/?page=all#pagebreak)






So, what's your point?

[Guest]

Bucco, Your current non-stop threads attacking anything which remotely smacks of the Democtatic Party has, at best become tiresome. I keep trying to read this pap, but it evokes the same feelings as squeaks on the chalkboard. You seem in a frenzy to beat every little thing to death and perhaps you notice that those who look at things differently are losing interest in making replies.

But your post above is a new low. Your citing a flyspeck triviality as a means of condemning the temporary non-deportation program is an incredible cheap shot. And, are you unaware that in all employment circumstances standard high school diplomas are equivalent to the GED?

You ignore the lengthy list of requirements young immigrants must meet just to obtain a temporary work permit and postpone being summarily kicked out of the country. Are you simply jealous Rubio and other Repubs couldn't get this thing enacted quickly enough?

No serious GOP immigration proposal in recent years was MORE strict or conservative than the one now in place. The deafening silence following the Presidential order ought to be a clue that this program is just simple common sense. The current administration has deported a record number of illegal immigrants. It costs big bucks and much effort to enforce the law and this program simply moves eligible, approved young people away from top priority focus. Maybe this means we can concentrate more on deporting others, like maybe illegals who commit crimes?

If you've got nothing better to do, at least try to find something legit and important enough to take up space here.

Thank you....I take this as a compliment.

I have grown weary of the hate, vile posts from the left. It has/is ruining a place where I have been from the beginning and enjoyed the back and forth and the discussions and disagreements. That is no more on here.

I have tried many times to begin discussions on issues, even began a thread about a book that I think will be favorable to Obama....only to be hit with snide and cruel nasty remarks.

I started a thread about the New Black Panthers and was greeted with basically a "defense" of them...perhaps not strong but a dismissal and a curt mocking, make fun comment about even starting it.

I/we have been treated to nothing but repulsive remarks about candidates on the right...vile things..smart cracks about "weiner mobiles" and the such.

I was called out by name for what ?....for saying that there was no budget, as if I lied.

Yep, from now on I am joining in on the fray....I am not going to worry about facts.....there are a group of posters on here who NEVER post facts.

I am not going to worry about issues....most on here never do.

I will attack people...that appears to be the most acceptable behavior on here.

You can criticize me all you want...you, who I have tried to be decent with but will NEVER answer my question when it is uncomfortable for you. I even gave you post numbers etc and you just ignore it. It is only good for YOU and what you want to post.

As I said I have been here since this started and had disagreements, but based on people posting on issues and posting facts and not attacking people.

It should not bother me but it does. I find LYING, personal attacks on ANYBODY...left or right to be reprehensible. Somehow it became acceptable on here, and you can come after me all you want and allow those folks to continue on their merry way, but I am now taking nothing on here seriously and what you accuse me of is true, but even as bad behavior as I am showing and I admit to that, it is better and more mature than what is normally accepted on here.

I check both right and left sites and articles, from now on, if the left does not want to do that, I will do it for them and at least now the facts are there to be read.



YOu never seem to criticize that...why is that ?

I appreciate your comments but am going after each and every attack on here that does not discuss issues and goes after people. This forum was informative and fun, but allowing these people to just roll over and mock is no longer acceptable.

On the immigration issue, the President did this only for political purposes....he could have done any of this IF HE REALLY WANTED TO when he controlled all the senate and house, but he did not....did NOT EVEN discuss it.

Is it wrong, partially....especially since done the way he has, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to enforce what he said and he knows it. That reason alone should make you ask questions. What he says is totally enforceable. Do you just ask how long someone has been here and accept what they say ? Apparently !

Enough I's on this post. I will ask YOU for about the third or fourth time to comment to me on the payment for the health care bill. And that question is timely since one of the many ways the administration offered to pay is their 700 million dollar cut in medicaire based on effeciences...I assume you have been reading that. That is ONE of the ways....how much of a chance do you give the US government to be able to find 700 million dollars in inefficiencies in mediciare and solve them in the next 10 years. This item is one of the many maybes that were used to pay for this through the CBO.

I wont bug you on the other items you will not respond on, but would ask you to respond on that single one.

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then they will pay tax to the feds and all is OK with the world. YEA

We already have a bill in the senate to stop the scams being already pulled on is to BILLIONS of dollars but Reid will not allow it to be discussed even !

[Guest]

"The new policy announced by President Barack Obama this summer took effect Wednesday and will allow more than 75,000 young undocumented immigrants in Illinois and 1.7 million across the country the temporary right to live and work openly in the United States."

Source: Chicago Dream Relief in Demand | NBC Chicago (http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Hundreds-Line-Up-For-Dream-Relief-Workshop-166236466.html#ixzz23fZhZQuw)


That is a lot of workers in a country where the AMERICAN unemployment is over 8%

[Guest]

Thank you....I take this as a compliment.

I have grown weary of the hate, vile posts from the left. It has/is ruining a place where I have been from the beginning and enjoyed the back and forth and the discussions and disagreements. That is no more on here.

I have tried many times to begin discussions on issues, even began a thread about a book that I think will be favorable to Obama....only to be hit with snide and cruel nasty remarks.

I started a thread about the New Black Panthers and was greeted with basically a "defense" of them...perhaps not strong but a dismissal and a curt mocking, make fun comment about even starting it.

I/we have been treated to nothing but repulsive remarks about candidates on the right...vile things..smart cracks about "weiner mobiles" and the such.

I was called out by name for what ?....for saying that there was no budget, as if I lied.

Yep, from now on I am joining in on the fray....I am not going to worry about facts.....there are a group of posters on here who NEVER post facts.

I am not going to worry about issues....most on here never do.

I will attack people...that appears to be the most acceptable behavior on here.

You can criticize me all you want...you, who I have tried to be decent with but will NEVER answer my question when it is uncomfortable for you. I even gave you post numbers etc and you just ignore it. It is only good for YOU and what you want to post.

As I said I have been here since this started and had disagreements, but based on people posting on issues and posting facts and not attacking people.

It should not bother me but it does. I find LYING, personal attacks on ANYBODY...left or right to be reprehensible. Somehow it became acceptable on here, and you can come after me all you want and allow those folks to continue on their merry way, but I am now taking nothing on here seriously and what you accuse me of is true, but even as bad behavior as I am showing and I admit to that, it is better and more mature than what is normally accepted on here.

I check both right and left sites and articles, from now on, if the left does not want to do that, I will do it for them and at least now the facts are there to be read.



YOu never seem to criticize that...why is that ?

I appreciate your comments but am going after each and every attack on here that does not discuss issues and goes after people. This forum was informative and fun, but allowing these people to just roll over and mock is no longer acceptable.

On the immigration issue, the President did this only for political purposes....he could have done any of this IF HE REALLY WANTED TO when he controlled all the senate and house, but he did not....did NOT EVEN discuss it.

Is it wrong, partially....especially since done the way he has, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to enforce what he said and he knows it. That reason alone should make you ask questions. What he says is totally enforceable. Do you just ask how long someone has been here and accept what they say ? Apparently !

Enough I's on this post. I will ask YOU for about the third or fourth time to comment to me on the payment for the health care bill. And that question is timely since one of the many ways the administration offered to pay is their 700 million dollar cut in medicaire based on effeciences...I assume you have been reading that. That is ONE of the ways....how much of a chance do you give the US government to be able to find 700 million dollars in inefficiencies in mediciare and solve them in the next 10 years. This item is one of the many maybes that were used to pay for this through the CBO.

I wont bug you on the other items you will not respond on, but would ask you to respond on that single one.

But how do you really feel?

[Guest]

But how do you really feel?

ACTUALLY and in reality, I feel great. No more worrying about facts...just make smart cracks and try to find ways to demean. Pretty easy work.....it is just a bit dirty but I can get used to it.

I still read a lot but that is for me....no need to share.....but thanks for asking...I feel great !

[Guest]

Bucco :hang in there,Me thinks there are more on your side and point of view than you may think,the silent marjorty .
But then we'll only know come election day'

[Guest]

then they will pay tax to the feds and all is OK with the world. YEA

they'll pay taxes on a salary for a job that should have been held by a legal citizen of the united states of america - maybe one of our vets!