Was Einstein right?

[Villages PL]

Albert Einstein once said, "The distinction between the past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

In the book, "Genie In Your Genes", I read about the following experiment: Researchers took a pile of hospital case records and divided them in half. They then focused their "good intentions" or "well wishes" (prayers?) on half of the cases hoping for better recovery results. Sure enough, the pile they focused on had better (average) recovery results.

The strange thing is that the case records were ten years old. So what would you conclude from that? How is it possible for current thoughts to have an affect on the past? Can you wish for someone to be well and have it be retroactive?

Was Einstein right?

[lightworker888]

Many believe that "time" is a construct that humans have created to make our lives more "orderly". Many know that in reality, time is an illusion, in fact many see life as an illusion. Have you noticed that when you are doing something you like, your experience of time is different than when you are waiting for a pot to boil? And as we age, it feels like time is going by much more quickly than when we were younger. And if you can conceive of the concept that everything is happening at the same time, then deja vu is more easily understood as are "visions" and premonitions.

But for me, it really doesn't matter as we can all just choose to enjoy every minute and make of our lives what we want. We are the meaning makers (ie. this means that) of everything in our life so why not make everything that occurs mean something that makes you feel good.

No one has proven that Einstein was wrong and there is good evidence to support that he was right so you can take your pick.

Just my 2 cents

LW888

[jannd228]

Many believe that "time" is a construct that humans have created to make our lives more "orderly". Many know that in reality, time is an illusion, in fact many see life as an illusion. Have you noticed that when you are doing something you like, your experience of time is different than when you are waiting for a pot to boil? And as we age, it feels like time is going by much more quickly than when we were younger. And if you can conceive of the concept that everything is happening at the same time, then deja vu is more easily understood as are "visions" and premonitions.

But for me, it really doesn't matter as we can all just choose to enjoy every minute and make of our lives what we want. We are the meaning makers (ie. this means that) of everything in our life so why not make everything that occurs mean something that makes you feel good.

No one has proven that Einstein was wrong and there is good evidence to support that he was right so you can take your pick.

Just my 2 cents

LW888

good answer, needed to read this today...I believe you get what you focus your attention on, so keep those thoughts positive and hopeful

:bigbow:

[lightworker888]

BTW VPL we can wish for someone to be well, but that doesn't necessarily make them well. They have to get up to speed and maintain the vibration to keep themselves well. All we can do is support their choice to do that, regardless of the "time" element. If we think somehow that our choices will control other people's outcome, then we are definitely operating in "illusion"! Other people can choose to follow our suggestions and modelling but the choice is always theirs.

It is useful to notice our languaging as it does show others where we are coming from. Our subconscious is always talking whether we recognize it or not. That is why noticing our self-talk is as crucial to note as what actually comes out of our mouth (or fingers in this case).

LW888

[CaptJohn]

Very interesting discussion. Nice to know of other deep thinkers.

[Taltarzac725]

Kant's Views on Space and Time (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-spacetime/)

Interesting post about the sub-conscious. It seems to know things going around me a lot faster than my consciousness does.

[jblum315]

Watching an old movie last night, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." Towards the end one of the scientists remarks, "So Einstein was right." The other scientist says, "Einstein was one of them (the aliens)."

[lightworker888]

Now that is a link for deep thinkers!

The subconscious does know much more about what is going on around you. It can process sooooo much more info in any given second. That is why is always useful to do our best to keep an open mind about anything, because when we come to a conclusion, we limit the possibilities of what info we process through our logic.

A practitioner friend of mine questioned the other day, why do we always try to figure out what is going on, through our 2 bit computer (left hemisphere logic) and we don't pay attention to the messages that our mega bit computer is giving us, through our body sensing, feelings and self-talk. We often fail to provide openings for the universe to co-create with us, as we merrily go on trying to do the job ourselves using the info from our 2 bit computer.

Often if we can't "figure it out" or it "doesn't make sense" we dismiss the information or conclude that it is impossible or "quacky".

For me, it makes so much more sense (logic) to stay away from conclusions, especially if they make me feel bad. Because there are always 2 sides to every situation, it usually means that I don't yet have enough info to see the other side from a logic perspective so what I need is more info to get a bigger picture.

So for me, I have not made any conclusions about what time and space "are", but for now, I see them as concepts that are open to interpretation and the idea of everything happening at once feels good. And because I couldn't possibly attend to "everything" I am choosing to put my attention on what feels "good" in any given situation that attracts my attention. Hopefully then I can be open to more possibilities that are being presented at any given moment.

LW888

[renrod]

I thought Einstein made Bagels. :wave::wave:

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[Taltarzac725]

I thought Einstein made Bagels. :wave::wave:

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That Einstein sure is easier to get your teeth into. The hardest course I took was one offered by the History/Philosophy/Physics Departments in Scientific Revolutions. Einsteins was one of these along with those of Darwin as well as Freud.

Spent weeks in the Science Library at the University of Nevada, Reno; mainly because they had a cute lady science librarian.

[2BNTV]

I thought Einstein made Bagels. :wave::wave:

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I need a lot of coffee to go with those bagels to get into this thread. :smiley:

[Taltarzac725]

John Milton Poem. On Time. (http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/milton/ontime.htm)

Probably from around 1645.

[Villages PL]

Many believe that "time" is a construct that humans have created to make our lives more "orderly". Many know that in reality, time is an illusion, in fact many see life as an illusion. Have you noticed that when you are doing something you like, your experience of time is different than when you are waiting for a pot to boil?

Einstein said something to this effect: "If you're sitting on a bench waiting for a bus, time goes very slow. But if you're sitting on a bench with a pretty girl, time goes fast."


And as we age, it feels like time is going by much more quickly than when we were younger.

I remember time going by very slowly when I was about 4 years old. I kept asking my mother when I would be going to school, like my brothers and sister. She would tell me but I didn't understand the concept of measured time. So it just seemed like going to school was never going to happen.

As the years go by we eventually learn how to "tell" time and read calendars. We get better and better at it and fill up our days with routine things that we do. And that, I believe, is what makes time go faster and faster.


But for me, it really doesn't matter as we can all just choose to enjoy every minute and make of our lives what we want. We are the meaning makers (ie. this means that) of everything in our life so why not make everything that occurs mean something that makes you feel good.

At one time I wanted, as an experiment, to do away with measuring time. But I soon realized it's just about impossible. If you read a daily newspaper, listen to the radio, or watch TV, you're going to be aware of time passing. We have bills to pay, checkbooks to balance and appointments to keep. So I gave up on the idea but I still wish I could do it.

No one has proven that Einstein was wrong and there is good evidence to support that he was right so you can take your pick.

After I started this thread I remembered that I have a book by Stephen Hawking: "A Brief History of Time" Now I'm trying again to figure it out.

[kentucky blue]

Watching an old movie last night, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." Towards the end one of the scientists remarks, "So Einstein was right." The other scientist says, "Einstein was one of them (the aliens)."

Growing up just outside of Princeton,N.J.,my grandmother would often take me to Princeton .Being a small child i would ask her who was the funny looking man with the long hair,and holes in his sweater .He was always walking the streets of Princeton.She would just say that's Albert Einstein,he teaches at the university where your grandfather graduated.When Einstein went to the hospital with an aneurysm,he refused surgery.Saying"I want to go when i want.It's tasteless to prolong life artificially.I have done my share,it is time to go.I will do it elegantly."He died the next day.My favorite quote of his was."The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has it's limits."
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[2BNTV]

"Time is an elusive concept".

[Vinny]

Albert Einstein once said, "The distinction between the past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

In the book, "Genie In Your Genes", I read about the following experiment: Researchers took a pile of hospital case records and divided them in half. They then focused their "good intentions" or "well wishes" (prayers?) on half of the cases hoping for better recovery results. Sure enough, the pile they focused on had better (average) recovery results.

The strange thing is that the case records were ten years old. So what would you conclude from that? How is it possible for current thoughts to have an affect on the past? Can you wish for someone to be well and have it be retroactive?

Was Einstein right?

Not very amazing as there was a 50/50 chance of those results. Einstein's quote is not complete as he prefaced it with "People like us, who believe in physics". It referred to temperal reality and in fact means the opposite of what you are implying. Ot basically says that there is a place in space where our past exists and it cannot be changed. Watch a star millions of light years away blink out and you are seeing something that happened million of years ago. If you understand this you understand that time is only relative to other objects and not a master cosmic clock. Einstein's quote has nothing to do with changing the past but just the opposite.

You are suggesting that if we all concentrate on 9/11 we can change history so that 9/11 did not occur and we all would forget about it but then again how could we forget about it if we are focusing on it? I just focused on a coin toss coming up heads and it did. I think I will write a book. :sigh:

[Taltarzac725]

Not very amazing as there was a 50/50 chance of those results. Einstein's quote is not complete as he prefaced it with "People like us, who believe in physics". It referred to temperal reality and in fact means the opposite of what you are implying. Ot basically says that there is a place in space where our past exists and it cannot be changed. Watch a star millions of light years away blink out and you are seeing something that happened million of years ago. If you understand this you understand that time is only relative to other objects and not a master cosmic clock. Einstein's quote has nothing to do with changing the past but just the opposite.

You are suggesting that if we all concentrate on 9/11 we can change history so that 9/11 did not occur and we all would forget about it but then again how could we forget about it if we are focusing on it? I just focused on a coin toss coming up heads and it did. I think I will write a book. :sigh:

There seems to be some questions in physics about what happens with time when you reach the speed of light.

This is an interesting aspect of the relativity of space and time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation


"A case of time dilation in action is that astronauts return from missions on the International Space Station (ISS) having aged less than the mission control crew that remained on Earth. Such time dilation has been repeatedly demonstrated (see experimental confirmation below), for instance by small disparities in atomic clocks on Earth and in space, even though both clocks work perfectly (it is not a mechanical malfunction). The laws of nature are such that time itself (i.e. spacetime) will bend due to differences in either gravity or velocity—each of which affects time in different ways." from above Wikipedia Time Dilation article.

[Villages PL]

There seems to be some questions in physics about what happens with time when you reach the speed of light.

This is an interesting aspect of the relativity of space and time. Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation)


"A case of time dilation in action is that astronauts return from missions on the International Space Station (ISS) having aged less than the mission control crew that remained on Earth. Such time dilation has been repeatedly demonstrated (see experimental confirmation below), for instance by small disparities in atomic clocks on Earth and in space, even though both clocks work perfectly (it is not a mechanical malfunction). The laws of nature are such that time itself (i.e. spacetime) will bend due to differences in either gravity or velocity—each of which affects time in different ways." from above Wikipedia Time Dilation article.

Yes, very interesting. Each body has its own time linked to its motion. I did a search as follows: "Does time exist? Is time real? Or is time only an idea?" The answers are no, no, and yes. Is there physical proof of this? Yes.

"Time" is just a word and "t" a symbol in physics.

Another great search: The question is "What is time in reality?" The result of this search: "Time Dilation back-fires, and brings us back to Ground Zero" which is our human concept of time.

[chachacha]

a very religious friend of mine recently made the statement that when we pray for someone, either before or after their death, all our prayers are available to them at the moment of their death...this is very comforting when we lose a loved one....i think i will follow the advice of the poster who said we should believe that which makes us feel good, and believe this...it certainly makes more sense now that i have read this discussion!

[Villages PL]

If I get this right, this link gives a great explanation of how we developed "our human concept of time".

The question is "What is time in reality?" ! (http://what-is-time.info)

[Vinny]

If I get this right, this link gives a great explanation of how we developed "our human concept of time".

The question is "What is time in reality?" ! (http://what-is-time.info)

I already read that tomorrow. :$:

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Think of time like a parade. You can only see the part that is in front of you at the moment, but the entire parade is happening all at once. Same with time, you can only experience what's in front of you right now, but it's all happening at once

[lightworker888]

That is an excellent analogy. Thanks for sharing. Lots of places to go with that one.


LW888

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I remember time going by very slowly when I was about 4 years old. I kept asking my mother when I would be going to school, like my brothers and sister. She would tell me but I didn't understand the concept of measured time. So it just seemed like going to school was never going to happen.

As the years go by we eventually learn how to "tell" time and read calendars. We get better and better at it and fill up our days with routine things that we do. And that, I believe, is what makes time go faster and faster.






I always reasoned that time seems slower as a child because your point of reference is different. In other words if you are 4 years old a years worth of measured time seems so long because it represents 25% of your life on earth. Compare that to a year when you are 50 years old that year only represents 2% of your time experience on earth. That's a big difference even though in each case we are comparing 1 year of measured time