Screening for colon cancer: When is it needed?

[Villages PL]

My doctor gave me a "fecal test kit". That's because I have been refusing to get a colonoscopy. I'm 71 & 1/2 years old. The Mayo Clinic website suggests there's no need to get tested over age 75. I'm almost there, so give me a break! There's no history of colon cancer in my family.

You might wonder, "What's the big deal, do the fecal test." My mother did a fecal test in her late 70s and it was positive. So she went for a colonoscopy and it was negative. She said, "never again." I think there must be lots of false positives for various reasons and I don't want to go down that road.

Here's what makes it worse: If I don't go along with the HMO and doctor's request, I could be dropped as a patient. I called the doctor's office today and notified them that I'm not going to do the test. The receptionist said she will pass it on to the doctor. So, I'll have to wait and see what happens.

If I get dropped, I'll have to look for another doctor.

Why not do the test? It's just that I have no risk factors and I'm almost 75 anyway.

Any comments/opinions.

[skyguy79]

When I got my ear wax removed yesterday, the doctor gave me a "fecal test kit". That's because I have been refusing to get a colonoscopy. I'm 71 & 1/2 years old. The Mayo Clinic website suggests there's no need to get tested over age 75. I'm almost there, so give me a break! There's no history of colon cancer in my family.

You might wonder, "What's the big deal, do the fecal test." My mother did a fecal test in her late 70s and it was positive. So she went for a colonoscopy and it was negative. She said, "never again." I think there must be lots of false positives for various reasons and I don't want to go down that road.

Here's what makes it worse: If I don't go along with the HMO and doctor's request, I could be dropped as a patient. I called the doctor's office today and notified them that I'm not going to do the test. The receptionist said she will pass it on to the doctor. So, I'll have to wait and see what happens.

If I get dropped, I'll have to look for another doctor.

Why not do the test? It's just that I have no risk factors, I'm almost 75, and I don't want to be pushed around.

Any comments/opinions.Colonoscopies are a much better experience than they were years ago. I had my first one at the age of 60, 10 years after I should of and a fairly large pre-cancerous cyst was found. I have NO history of colon cancer in my family and I'm glad I didn't use that logic as a reason to resist having one. The doc simply looped it and snip... voilà, it was gone. I've had another since with no abnormalities found and due for another soon. I'm no where near as hesitant now as I was before my first. However, having one done and having peace of mind is ultimately your decision to make. Not mine, not anybody else's!

[NotGolfer]

Have you had one in your past?? I've been told every 10 years "if" there aren't any issues found. I'm to have my next one in 2 years! I've always said the prep is worse than the test. I've had 2 colonoscopies and will again when it's time. Don't want to chance it...plus it's said "if" colon cancer or pre-cancer is found, it's the easiest to treat!

[gomoho]

Okay, so now that we are on the topic any recommendations for "THOSE" doctors in TV that do that test? Obviously looking for someone with experience so I don't have a problem as a result of "THAT" test.

[Mudder]

For once VP I tend to agree with you! "They" are now saying that many of the the tests we routinely were told to take are unneccesary. That fecal test is ridiculous, I'd do another colonoscopy before doing that. I have had colon surgery many years ago and my doc says maybe every 5 years I should have another colonoscopy. Had my last one at age 70, don't think I'll be doing another.

[2BNTV]

Mom had colon cancer in her eighties so I started going for a colonoscopy in my fifties. Every ten years if your clean but with a history of colon cancer, it's every five years. The prep is the worst part of the procedure, as most people are lulled to sleep during the colonoscopy.

I do it for my own piece of mind. I'd rather catch something early before it's too late. IMHO

[skyguy79]

Okay, so now that we are on the topic any recommendations for "THOSE" doctors in TV that do that test? Obviously looking for someone with experience so I don't have a problem as a result of "THAT" test.My wife recently had her test done and she used Dr. Robert W Barish MD (http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-robert-barish-yh8xb/patient-ratings) of Gastroenterology Associates at 13940 Hwy 441. (751-4885) I will be using the same doctor when I have mine done.

The following information is strictly based on my past experience and a qualified medical doctor should be consulted with:

- It is recommended that your first test be done at the age of 50.
- If you have no family history with colon cancer, the wait period for the next test may be a recommendation of 10 years if no polyps or other problem are found.
- If there is a family history of cancer, the wait period recommended may be 5 years.
- If a polyp is found, the waiting period may be 3 years.
- And if the equipment malfunctions, which happened to me on my last test, and a full scan wasn't accomplished, the wait period may be recommended at 2 years.

Remember though that this is only based on my experienced and only a qualified medical doctor can properly determine the actual waiting period suggested.

Note: My father-in-law died of colon cancer at the age of 59. His father also died of it at age 80..

[skyc6]

My wife recently had her test done and she used Dr. Robert W Barish MD (http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-robert-barish-yh8xb/patient-ratings) of Gastroenterology Associates at 13940 Hwy 441. (751-4885) I will be using the same doctor when I have mine done.

The following information is strictly based on my past experience and a qualified medical doctor should be consulted with:

- It is recommended that your first test be done at the age of 50.
- If you have no family history with colon cancer, the wait period for the next test may be a recommendation of 10 years if no polyps or other problem are found.
- If there is a family history of cancer, the wait period recommended may be 5 years.
- If a polyp is found, the waiting period may be 3 years.
- And if the equipment malfunctions, which happened to me on my last test, and a full scan wasn't accomplished, the wait period may be recommended at 2 years.

Remember though that this is only based on my experienced and only a qualified medical doctor can properly determine the actual waiting period suggested.

Note: My father-in-law died of colon cancer at the age of 59. His father also died of it at age 80..

I had a colonoscopy recently with Dr. Marianna de Jongue Very pain;ess and the prep was not that bad.
My hsband used Dr. Mathew. Same office.

[Villages PL]

After posting this thread I found a nice message from my doctor on my answering machine. He called to tell me not to worry about it. He said he loves having me as a patient and looks forward to seeing me again at my next appointment. That's a big relief to me because I thought for sure I'd soon be looking for another doctor. And I really enjoy being his patient.

As far as colon cancer risk I would just like to add something about lifestyle: For me it's not just that there's no family history of colon cancer. I'm eating a special "anti-cancer" diet, and that means I have given up practically all animal protein and all processed foods. So I figure that makes my risk a whole lot less than for those who eat the standard American diet. Diet and exercise definitely plays a big important part and that's why I don't eat processed foods in moderation.

[asianthree]

its not the procedure that i would be concered with, its what type of anesthesia they are using, some use a twilight and you are in a comfortable state others use very little drugs and it can be very hard on you, if done right this can be a fifteen minute procedure

[graciegirl]

I think that your subject matter is incorrect. "Screening for Colon Cancer, when is it needed?".

It seems that you have already made up your mind.

Not sold on fecal blood test.

I think that a colonoscopy is a valid test that is saving many lives. When I had a routine one four years ago they found some cancerous polyps that were removed while I was "under". Had nothng after the procedure to make me feel they "did" anything, no bleeding, no pains, nothing. At my recent one, they found nothing. I must add that I had not one symptom from those polyps.

It must be an informed choice and I don't go to my doctors to tell them what to do. I try to choose doctors who I can trust to guide me to good health decisions. I will go back to Ohio for my next one because we have family there and the endoscopy lab has my records.

[jimbo2012]

I'm eating a special "anti-cancer" diet, and that means I have given up practically all animal protein and all processed foods. So I figure that makes my risk a whole lot less than for those who eat the standard American diet.

As a vegan I understand what you're saying, however our diet :icon_hungry: does not preclude us from standard medical tests.

I welcome any regularly accepted testing to confirm my dietary choice.;)

U are remiss to think otherwise IMO, at your age it will likely be the last time to consider it, just do it.

[2BNTV]

My wife recently had her test done and she used Dr. Robert W Barish MD (http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-robert-barish-yh8xb/patient-ratings) of Gastroenterology Associates at 13940 Hwy 441. (751-4885) I will be using the same doctor when I have mine done.

The following information is strictly based on my past experience and a qualified medical doctor should be consulted with:

- It is recommended that your first test be done at the age of 50.
- If you have no family history with colon cancer, the wait period for the next test may be a recommendation of 10 years if no polyps or other problem are found.
- If there is a family history of cancer, the wait period recommended may be 5 years.
- If a polyp is found, the waiting period may be 3 years. - And if the equipment malfunctions, which happened to me on my last test, and a full scan wasn't accomplished, the wait period may be recommended at 2 years.

Remember though that this is only based on my experienced and only a qualified medical doctor can properly determine the actual waiting period suggested.

Note: My father-in-law died of colon cancer at the age of 59. His father also died of it at age 80..

:agree:

IMHO - To not have this procedure done is taking a risk with your life.

Vince Lombardi, the great football coach died of cancer as he would not let a doctor examine him. I don't want to get graphic.

[KayakerNC]

I'm eating a special "anti-cancer" diet, and that means I have given up practically all animal protein and all processed foods. So I figure that makes my risk a whole lot less than for those who eat the standard American diet.

From The flowers of wit, or a choice collection of bon mots, by Henry Kett, 1814:
...observed the eminent lawyer, "I hesitate not to pronounce, that every man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client.

Could also apply to Doctor/Patient relationships.

http://dorrys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/lawyer-fool-14.jpg

[Mikeod]

Please consider the fact that while your lifestyle choices have been positive for your health, they likely do not reduce the chances for colon cancer to 0%. It would be a shame for you to have made these changes only to succumb to a disease that is detectable in its early stages and treatable.

I agree that the fecal test for occult blood is almost worthless. The only difficult part of a colonoscopy is the prep, and that is really just an inconvenience for a day. The actual procedure is painless when done under sedation, and it's good to know all is well.

I avoided it as well until I was over 60 and was relieved when all was OK. I will have another one done when it is time.

[skyguy79]

As a vegan I understand what you're saying, however our diet :icon_hungry: does not preclude us from standard medical tests.

I welcome any regularly accepted testing to confirm my dietary choice.;)

U are remiss to think otherwise IMO, at your age it will likely be the last time to consider it, just do it.Excellent post jimbo; concise, to the point and spot on in making the case for the importance of getting the test done! I have seen first hand, and more than once, the heartbreaking affect on someone with colon cancer, and with it leaving me praying I never have to personally experience what I've seen. I do hope you're successful in getting through on the importance of the procedure whereas I have apparently failed in my attempt. Kudos!!! :clap2:

[gerryann]

anyone know if bloodtesting or fecal test can find colon cancer?

[skyguy79]

anyone know if bloodtesting or fecal test can find colon cancer?Blood testing... NO! Fecal test... yes and no! The most accurate method of detecting is a colonoscopy. Here is further reading on these questions:

Colon cancer: Tests and diagnosis - MayoClinic.com (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cancer/DS00035/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis)

https://www.healthtap.com/#topics/can-a-stool-sample-detect-colon-cancer

[gerryann]

very good info. thanks for posting.

[2BNTV]

Please consider the fact that while your lifestyle choices have been positive for your health, they likely do not reduce the chances for colon cancer to 0%. It would be a shame for you to have made these changes only to succumb to a disease that is detectable in its early stages and treatable.

I agree that the fecal test for occult blood is almost worthless. The only difficult part of a colonoscopy is the prep, and that is really just an inconvenience for a day. The actual procedure is painless when done under sedation, and it's good to know all is well.

I avoided it as well until I was over 60 and was relieved when all was OK. I will have another one done when it is time.

Ecellent posts. Straight to the heart of the matter.

[billethkid]

these decisions are personal but keep in mind when one quotes the test is not needed after 75 they are merely telling you that not as many folks get colon cancer after age 75. Note the words "not as many".....after age 75 there will CONTINUE to be colon cancer affected seniors.

Also keep in mind colon cancer is known to be an aggressive, fast growing form of cancer. That is the very reason if one has had polyps removed previously the doctor recommends a colonoscopy every three years until there are two in a row with no polyps. And after age 75 that goes to every 5 years.

You ay be approaching 75 but why do you think you are home free just by reaching that age? What if you already have pre cancerous polyps forming? Until they get to a point in progression where they bleed, there are usually no other symptoms (that is why the fecal test....to detect microscopic blood content, hence an early warning).

The colonoscopy "experience" is very much negatively over stated. The modern methods, prep and anesthesia are significantly less of an imposition than most dental procedures. I have been having a colonoscopy every three years for the past 12 years.....when a bleeding polyp was discovered. And unfortunately I have yet to have two in a row clear. The process or inconvenience is far outweighed by the good news (hopefully).

Thus far on incomplete information you are professing being a winner. Until you get a colonoscopy you really won't know for sure.

The choice is yours to continue to roll the dice.

btk

[2BNTV]

these decisions are personal but keep in mind when one quotes the test is not needed after 75 they are merely telling you that not as many folks get colon cancer after age 75. Note the words "not as many".....after age 75 there will CONTINUE to be colon cancer affected seniors.

Also keep in mind colon cancer is known to be an aggressive, fast growing form of cancer. That is the very reason if one has had polyps removed previously the doctor recommends a colonoscopy every three years until there are two in a row with no polyps. And after age 75 that goes to every 5 years.

You ay be approaching 75 but why do you think you are home free just by reaching that age? What if you already have pre cancerous polyps forming? Until they get to a point in progression where they bleed, there are usually no other symptoms (that is why the fecal test....to detect microscopic blood content, hence an early warning).

The colonoscopy "experience" is very much negatively over stated. The modern methods, prep and anesthesia are significantly less of an imposition than most dental procedures. I have been having a colonoscopy every three years for the past 12 years.....when a bleeding polyp was discovered. And unfortunately I have yet to have two in a row clear. The process or inconvenience is far outweighed by the good news (hopefully).

Thus far on incomplete information you are professing being a winner. Until you get a colonoscopy you really won't know for sure.

The choice is yours to continue to roll the dice.

btk

Excellent post.

Maybe that's why it is under "preventive procedures" that are covered by a medical plan, so it is cost effective. Much easier to have the colonoscopy that to have deal with the treatment after cancer is discovered.

To me, not knowing would drive me crazy. To just assume, it's folly.

[Villages PL]

its not the procedure that i would be concered with, its what type of anesthesia they are using, some use a twilight and you are in a comfortable state others use very little drugs and it can be very hard on you, if done right this can be a fifteen minute procedure

It's not without risks. I searched "Colonoscopy-Wikipedia..." Then scrolled down to "Risks"

[billethkid]

It is good to be aware of risks, which are listed for every medical item/issue/procedure/etc.

As an example there would be risks listed for taking aspirins. One could hypothesize that since there are many more people who take aspirins than get a colonoscopy, there will be more people potentially harmed taking aspirins than getting a colonoscopy.....doesn't stop anybody from taking aspirins.

Personal decisions need to be as informed as possible. You are in much more danger driving on the highway or your golf cart than you will ever be taking an aspirin OR getting a colonoscopy!!!

btk

[gerryann]

It is good to be aware of risks, which are listed for every medical item/issue/procedure/etc.

As an example there would be risks listed for taking aspirins. One could hypothesize that since there are many more people who take aspirins than get a colonoscopy, there will be more people potentially harmed taking aspirins than getting a colonoscopy.....doesn't stop anybody from taking aspirins.

Personal decisions need to be as informed as possible. You are in much more danger driving on the highway or your golf cart than you will ever be taking an aspirin OR getting a colonoscopy!!!

btk


thats so true, the benifits most certainly outway the risks.

[Villages PL]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate your concern.

Here's some information you might find interesting that backs up what I said about diet and exercise.

In 2001 it was stated that there were 19 yearly deaths from colon cancer for every 100,000 population in the U.S.. Now it's down to 17 per 100,000.

I don't have an up-to-date figure for Okinawans but in 2001 it was reported that they had only 8 yearly deaths per 100,000.

Question: Why do so many people have a cavalier attitude toward diet and exercise, yet they take testing very seriously? It seems to me that eventually some form of cancer will get you that you haven't been tested for.

Example: My brother, who was a big candy eater and overweight, was tested yearly for prostate cancer. He caught it early and it was a slow growing cancer, so it wasn't a problem. However, within a short period of time (1 to 2 years) he discovered he had pancreatic cancer and it had spread everywhere. (It was not a result of having prostate cancer.)

[graciegirl]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate your concern.

Here's some information you might find interesting that backs up what I said about diet and exercise.

In 2001 it was stated that there were 19 yearly deaths from colon cancer for every 100,000 population in the U.S.. Now it's down to 17 per 100,000.

I don't have an up-to-date figure for Okinawans but in 2001 it was reported that they had only 8 yearly deaths per 100,000.

Question: Why do so many people have a cavalier attitude toward diet and exercise, yet they take testing very seriously? It seems to me that eventually some form of cancer will get you that you haven't been tested for.

Example: My brother, who was a big candy eater and overweight, was tested yearly for prostate cancer. He caught it early and it was a slow growing cancer, so it wasn't a problem. However, within a short period of time (1 to 2 years) he discovered he had pancreatic cancer and it had spread everywhere. (It was not a result of having prostate cancer.)

If you are among the (name the number) that die of colon cancer, you still are dead.

You are the one who asked the question about tests. You had already decided not to have a colonoscopy. There are many kinds of cancer and some very unfortunate people have more than one.

A person concerned with keeping himself healthy would likely be safer having a colonoscopy. All it is is a visual look at your innards. What you can't see can hurt you.

But you have already decided not to have the test. I think we have your answer.

It isn't any fun to drink all that stuff but in the END your insides will be shiny clean. And poof, you are asleep and poof you are awake and then you feel good for knowing what is happening in there.

I do anyway. We do a lot of things not only for ourselves but for the other people in our world who love us.

[2BNTV]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate your concern.

Here's some information you might find interesting that backs up what I said about diet and exercise.

In 2001 it was stated that there were 19 yearly deaths from colon cancer for every 100,000 population in the U.S.. Now it's down to 17 per 100,000.

I don't have an up-to-date figure for Okinawans but in 2001 it was reported that they had only 8 yearly deaths per 100,000.

Question: Why do so many people have a cavalier attitude toward diet and exercise, yet they take testing very seriously? It seems to me that eventually some form of cancer will get you that you haven't been tested for.
Example: My brother, who was a big candy eater and overweight, was tested yearly for prostate cancer. He caught it early and it was a slow growing cancer, so it wasn't a problem. However, within a short period of time (1 to 2 years) he discovered he had pancreatic cancer and it had spread everywhere. (It was not a result of having prostate cancer.)

I agree to disagree respectfully in the highlighted area of your post.

As a type 2 diabetic, I eat in moderation and exercise vigorously three times a week. As a doctor once said to me, "you are digustingly healthy". I take my health seriously as I am not getting it back once it's gone.

BTW - a routine test showed my diabetes in it's early stage and was controlled by eating healthy and exercise.

I take precautionary test because it is a much preferred option than if I was to make believe that nothing bad was to occur. I would rather deal with something when it's in the early stages than to deal with it when it's full blown and past the point of being controlled. I also want to know and not wonder if something is wrong. Not knowing is the worst of all scenarios.

I believe the famous words of Abbott and Costello when put in front of a firing squad and asked if the had any last wishes.

" I want to die of old age". :jester:

What's the rush, "death is forever, at least physically".

Time to climb down from my soapbox. :smiley:

[sueandskip]

Just for your peace of mind , get the colonoscopy and be done with it,,,Painless and the best sleep you will ever have !

[Roadsterz4]

You have to do what you feel comfortable with. My wife was diagnosed with colon cancer at 64. No history, great condition, non-smoking, healthy diet, found on a routine colonoscopy. 64 is not that far from 70, we are looking at a lot more good years. If she had waited docs say she most likely would not be here now. It is a pretty easy procedure that can save your life. Still of course it is up to you, as Dirty Harry would say " are you feeling lucky,well are you"
Take care.

[Villages PL]

When I searched "wikipedia-Colonoscopy" I found some interesting information. As I said before, I had to scroll down to where it said RISK.

In a study of 25,000 people who had a colonoscopy the perforation rate (perforation of the colon is potentially deadly if not repaired quickly) was 0.2%. If my math is correct, 25,000 people X 0.2% = 50 people.

Of 84,000 colonoscopy patients, the death rate was .006%. I believe that would be 5.04 people. They could be healthy people who don't have cancer.

84,000 people is almost the population of The Villages. I guess .006 X 100,000 people would be 6 people. That's slightly more than 1/3 the number of those who die from colon cancer.

The perforation rate for 100,000 people would be 200 people. They would need emergency surgery to repair the damage.

Dirty Harry again asks: Are you feeling lucky, well are you?

Some of you have criticized Wikipedia but didn't have any better information and didn't claim that the information I provided was false. Wikipedia was merely giving information from reported studies and I have no reason to believe the information is inacurate.

I reviewed my doctor's message and he said the decision to get any test is totally up to the patient.

[Mikeod]

When I searched "wikipedia-Colonoscopy" I found some interesting information. As I said before, I had to scroll down to where it said RISK.

In a study of 25,000 people who had a colonoscopy the perforation rate (perforation of the colon is potentially deadly if not repaired quickly) was 0.2%. If my math is correct, 25,000 people X 0.2% = 50 people.

Of 84,000 colonoscopy patients, the death rate was .006%. I believe that would be 5.04 people. They could be healthy people who don't have cancer.

84,000 people is almost the population of The Villages. I guess .006 X 100,000 people would be 6 people. That's slightly more than 1/3 the number of those who die from colon cancer.

The perforation rate for 100,000 people would be 200 people. They would need emergency surgery to repair the damage.

Dirty Harry again asks: Are you feeling lucky, well are you?
Sure, you can look at it that way. On the other hand, you could look at it as:
Out of 100,000 people, 999,800 had colonoscopies without serious complications. Or out of 100,000 people, 999,994 of them had colonoscopies and survived.

One of the problems with those figures is that they don't detail the overall health situation of those undergoing the procedure. What underlying conditions may have contributed to the outcome? What was the age range of those who suffered poor outcomes? You could go on and on distilling the data to get a reasonable idea of the risk for yourself undergoing the procedure.

Because of its open structure, wickipedia is not a resource I would consider without reservations.

[ilovetv]

Why go to a medical doctor if you think you know more than they do about the benefits-versus-risks of the tests/procedures they recommend?

Why go to a medical doctor if you think they order tests/procedures only to grub more money into their own coffers, and not to prevent or alleviate pain and suffering?

Why go to a doctor if you've already decided you don't trust or don't need anything he/she offers for prevention, diagnostics and treatment????

[skyc6]

Why go to a medical doctor if you think you know more than they do about the benefits-versus-risks of the tests/procedures they recommend?

Why go to a medical doctor if you think they order tests/procedures only to grub more money into their own coffers, and not to prevent or alleviate pain and suffering?

Why go to a doctor if you've already decided you don't trust or don't need anything he/she offers for prevention, diagnostics and treatment????

I am a firm believer in taking advantage of all medical tests available, when needed, or medically suggested.

My daughter, age 39, was having some minor gastrological discomfort, and her Dr. suggested an early colonoscopy, just to be safe. She is a very healthy, non-smoking, non-drinking practicing dietician. She eats very little meat, and is well within her weight guidelines, (unlike her mother! ) She lives down the street from the YMCA, and is there daily.
During her colonoscopy, 2 polyps were found, removed,and it was determined they were pre-cancerous. Now she will repeat her test every 3 years. By all statistics, she was not a candidate for a colonoscopy, but I count myself very blessed that she had one and will continue to have them as needed.
Diet and exercise are incredibly important, but they don't ensure you will never get any kind of illness, and if an illness is preventable, why not do all that you can to prevent it?

[Villages PL]

Sure, you can look at it that way. On the other hand, you could look at it as:
Out of 100,000 people, 999,800 had colonoscopies without serious complications. Or out of 100,000 people, 999,994 of them had colonoscopies and survived.

Sure, you can look at it that way if you choose to. That's the way I choose to look at colon cancer. Of all my close family members (grandparents, parents, siblings, aunts, uncles and cousins, I don't know of one who had colon cancer. In my lifetime I only have known one person who had colon cancer and he was my sister's father-in-law. And he was a butcher who liked to nibble on raw meat. So there was a reason for it.

One of the problems with those figures is that they don't detail the overall health situation of those undergoing the procedure. What underlying conditions may have contributed to the outcome? What was the age range of those who suffered poor outcomes? You could go on and on distilling the data to get a reasonable idea of the risk for yourself undergoing the procedure.

Yes, exactly! And you could apply the same reasoning to those who get colon cancer. "....they don't detail the overall health situation of those...." who get colon cancer. "What underlying conditions may have contributed to the outcome?" People will say, "I knew someone who ate a healthy diet and still had precancerous polyps. Yes, in their opinion they were eating a healthy diet, but it's only their opinion. The overwelming majority people don't eat healthy diets but many of them think they do, or will say that they do (partly because of ignorance and partly because of selective memory).

Because of its open structure, wickipedia is not a resource I would consider without reservations.

Well, at least it's something. It's more information than anyone else has offered.

[Villages PL]

Why go to a medical doctor if you think you know more than they do about the benefits-versus-risks of the tests/procedures they recommend?

It's already been established that doctors recommend testing equally to everyone in order to protect themselves from potential lawsuits. Someone may go to a doctor and claim to be eating a healthy diet and getting lots of exercise. They might even claim there's no family history when there is. Is the doctor supposed to believe it and tell the person they don't need to be tested, thereby risking future lawsuits? So it's well established that they can't afford to pick and choose who needs testing. This is where a well informed patient is needed to figure things out and make his own decision.

[graciegirl]

It's already been established that doctors recommend testing equally to everyone in order to protect themselves from potential lawsuits. Someone may go to a doctor and claim to be eating a healthy diet and getting lots of exercise. They might even claim there's no family history when there is. Is the doctor supposed to believe it and tell the person they don't need to be tested, thereby risking future lawsuits? So it's well established that they can't afford to pick and choose who needs testing. This is where a well informed patient is needed to figure things out and make his own decisions.


Why was this thread started at all?

I would like to start one that says don't neglect to have a colonoscopy starting at 50 no matter WHO you are and at 40 if you have familial colon cancer.

You cannot live a lifestyle that guarantees that you will not get cancer.

Colon cancer is one at least that can be screened for and in most cases stopped.

[KayakerNC]

Quote:
Because of its open structure, wickipedia is not a resource I would consider without reservations.

Well, at least it's something. It's more information than anyone else has offered.

Wicky is more trustworthy then Doctors? :ohdear:

[Schaumburger]

I am a fairly wimpy/wussy person. My father who is 82, has had polyps removed from his colon 3 times in the past 20 years. When I turned 50, I told myself "you got to get in to do this." I dilly dallyed for two years. My friend who is 6 months younger than me beat me to having a colonoscopy 5 months ago.

My colonoscopy was today. I did the two day prep - drinking some stuff last night around 6:00, and the rest early this morning around 6:15 am. The prep work was not great, but better than I thought it would be -- the hardest part was drinking 48 ounces of liquid (the prep solution plus water) in 1 hour. The procedure itself is nothing. Once the technician put the IV in my arm, I went to sleep right away. From the time my dad and I got to the hospital to leaving the hospital was just over 3 hours. In fact I drove the 6 miles home from the hospital -- that is how good I felt leaving the hospital. Glad I had finally had it done. I don't need another colonoscopy for 5 yrs. because of my dad's history of polyps. Just my 2 cents.

[2BNTV]

Why was this thread started at all?

I would like to start one that says don't neglect to have a colonoscopy starting at 50 no matter WHO you are and at 40 if you have familial colon cancer.

You cannot live a lifestyle that guarantees that you will not get cancer.

Colon cancer is one at least that can be screened for and in most cases stopped.

Exactly. :agree: Spot on as usual. :smiley:

You don't on Supermans cape.

You don't spit in the wind.

You don't get a colonoscopy.

And your messin around with your life.

OK. I won't quit my day job.

[skyguy79]

Why was this thread started at all?

I would like to start one that says don't neglect to have a colonoscopy starting at 50 no matter WHO you are and at 40 if you have familial colon cancer.

You cannot live a lifestyle that guarantees that you will not get cancer.

Colon cancer is one at least that can be screened for and in most cases stopped.In light of the ensuing discussions on the OP turning out to be little more than an exercise in futility, you could ask why this thread started at all! In fact, I felt exactly that way after my initial post on this thread. However, those ensuing discussions may well have provided some wisdom or insight after all, at least for others about the benefits of having a colonoscopy. It may as well have potential for some readers to have their lives saved some day because of it! If this turns out to be true, even for just one person, then this thread would prove to have been invaluable!

[2BNTV]

In light of the ensuing discussions on the OP turning out to be little more than an exercise in futility, you could ask why this thread started at all! In fact, I felt exactly that way after my initial post on this thread. However, those ensuing discussions may well have provided some wisdom or insight after all, at least for others about the benefits of having a colonoscopy. It may as well have potential for some readers to have their lives saved some day because of it! If this turns out to be true, even for just one person, then this thread would prove to have been invaluable!

:agree:

I was hoping for the same result. Whether one has a colonoscpy is their choice but it is prudent to have one done so so one knows where they stand, healthwise.

[Villages PL]

Wicky is more trustworthy then Doctors? :ohdear:

Well, as far as I know, doctors prefer not to talk about risk. So, what good is trustworthiness if the trustworthy doctor remains silent on this issue?

For those participating on this thread, here are some questions: Did your doctor inform you that you could die as a result of getting a colonoscopy? Did your doctor inform you that you could get a life-threatening perforated colon? How about risks to the brain from anesthesia?

[ilovetv]

Well, as far as I know, doctors prefer not to talk about risk. So, what good is trustworthiness if the trustworthy doctor remains silent on this issue?

For those participating on this thread, here are some questions: Did your doctor inform you that you could die as a result of getting a colonoscopy? Did your doctor inform you that you could get a life threatening perforated colon? How about risks to the brain from anesthesia?

The doctor is making the recommendation based on the benefits outweighing the risks. It is a judgement call and the art of medicine, not just presenting numbers/statistics.

If one wants to go purely on the numbers, then it is a waste of time to consult a doctor who has spent a minimum of 8 years of post-graduate education and training, and then years in practice, to learn to evaluate the numbers and empirical evidence.

A thinking, well-read patient would know that even when the odds are that 99 out of 100 patients will have no complications, one could end up 100% screwed even though the practitioner did everything 100% correct by the textbook.

We make these same type of decisions every time we decide to get behind the wheel of a car or board an airplane.

Nobody knows when or why the kindest, healthiest, most loving and clean-living person you've ever known turns out to be the one who gets killed or maimed in an accident, or gets ravaged by a horrible cancer.

All we can conclude is: we don't determine when and how we'll suffer or not suffer, and die....either quickly or slowly. Only God knows when and how we'll go. Prayer asking for guidance on decision-making is powerful.

[Villages PL]

The doctor is making the recommendation based on the benefits outweighing the risks. It is a judgement call and the art of medicine, not just presenting numbers/statistics.

If one wants to go purely on the numbers, then it is a waste of time to consult a doctor who has spent a minimum of 8 years of post-graduate education and training, and then years in practice, to learn to evaluate the numbers and empirical evidence.

A thinking, well-read patient would know that even when the odds are that 99 out of 100 patients will have no complications, one could end up 100% screwed even though the practitioner did everything 100% correct by the textbook.

We make these same type of decisions every time we decide to get behind the wheel of a car or board an airplane.

Nobody knows when or why the kindest, healthiest, most loving and clean-living person you've ever known turns out to be the one who gets killed or maimed in an accident, or gets ravaged by a horrible cancer.

All we can conclude is: we don't determine when and how we'll suffer or not suffer, and die....either quickly or slowly. Only God knows when and how we'll go. Prayer asking for guidance on decision-making is powerful.

Is there an art to colonoscopy? How would I know if the doctor has this art mastered? Regardless of how many years a doctor spends in school, he or she might be a colon-perforating clod. It could be worse than I thought if the numbers don't tell the whole story.

You're right that we do make these decisions every time we get into a car, or airplane. That's why I never fly and limit my driving. I believe in limiting risk.

You're right when you suggest that anything can happen to anyone. I have never doubted that. But there is such a thing as prudently judging and limiting risk. As a matter of fact I have a book tittled, "Examining Your Doctor: A patient's Guide to Avoiding Harmful Medical Care". It was written by, Timothy McCall, M.D..

I guess you could say it was written for those who wish to be informed so as to make prudent judgements/decisions.

[ilovetv]

Is there an art to colonoscopy? How would I know if the doctor has this art mastered? Regardless of how many years a doctor spends in school, he or she might be a colon-perforating clod. It could be worse than I thought if the numbers don't tell the whole story.

You're right that we do make these decisions every time we get into a car, or airplane. That's why I never fly and limit my driving. I believe in limiting risk.

You're right when you suggest that anything can happen to anyone. I have never doubted that. But there is such a thing as prudently judging and limiting risk. As a matter of fact I have a book tittled, "Examining Your Doctor: A patient's Guide to Avoiding Harmful Medical Care". It was written by, Timothy McCall, M.D..

I guess you could say it was written for those who wish to be informed so as to make prudent judgements/decisions.

All true, but in the end, you or an insurer (public and/or private) are paying a doctor to "make prudent judgement/decisions" about what to prescribe and order for you. It is then your choice to say "yes" or "no".

[2BNTV]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[graciegirl]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him have a hose attached to well....you get the picture.

[2BNTV]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him have a hose attached to well....you get the picture.

Nuff said. I got the picture. :smiley:

BTW - You can say your going to do something or you can say your not - Either way your right.

[skyc6]

Nuff said. I got the picture. :smiley:

BTW - You can say your going to do something or you can say your not - Either way your right.

Clearly the advantages to a colonoscopy test far outweigh the risks, but you need to decide that for yourself.
I think you decided it before this long thread started, so why beat a dead horse on this issue?

[CFrance]

I am a firm believer in taking advantage of all medical tests available, when needed, or medically suggested.

My daughter, age 39, was having some minor gastrological discomfort, and her Dr. suggested an early colonoscopy, just to be safe. She is a very healthy, non-smoking, non-drinking practicing dietician. She eats very little meat, and is well within her weight guidelines, (unlike her mother! ) She lives down the street from the YMCA, and is there daily.
During her colonoscopy, 2 polyps were found, removed,and it was determined they were pre-cancerous. Now she will repeat her test every 3 years. By all statistics, she was not a candidate for a colonoscopy, but I count myself very blessed that she had one and will continue to have them as needed.
Diet and exercise are incredibly important, but they don't ensure you will never get any kind of illness, and if an illness is preventable, why not do all that you can to prevent it?

Whoa, that was not a very nice comment about your daughter's mother.

[CFrance]

Exactly. :agree: Spot on as usual. :smiley:

You don't on Supermans cape.

You don't spit in the wind.

You don't get a colonoscopy.

And your messin around with your life.

OK. I won't quit my day job.

Yeah, 2BNTV, keep that job! I love you 'cause you're picture is so cute and smiling, and you have a good sense about you. Your poetry skills, however... ;-)

[CFrance]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him have a hose attached to well....you get the picture.

Coffee spit. New keyboard.

[rosehillman]

It can be very scary to get screened for any type of problems but it can save your life.

[Villages PL]

In a 2000 CDC study it was found that 45% of men and 41% of women over 50 had never had a colonoscopy or sigmoidoscopy.

A later report by the CDC states that 63% of those 50 to 75 have been screened. That means more than 1/3 of seniors have not been screened (about 1 out of 3).

How come we are not hearing from them on this thread? Perhaps they fear being ridiculed? Gee, I wonder where they would get that idea?

[Villages PL]

It can be very scary to get screened for any type of problems but it can save your life.

I have never doubted that it can save lives. But it can also sacrifice lives. In the study I mentioned earlier, out of 100,000 colonoscopies, 6 lives were lost. I guess you could say they were sacrificed for the "greater good". But no one is telling us what the numbers are for that greater good. Did it save 12 lives for every 100,000 people tested. 20 people suffered perforated colons; did it save 20 lives?

If doctors are so proud of the lives they save, why don't they give us the numbers?

[skyguy79]

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[CFrance]

I think we have reached the point of no return on this subject. Those that believe in the test will continue to do it. Those that don't will not.

But my three cents: I hope none of us will ever have to (again, in my case) watch a 40-year-old be ravaged by colon cancer and die.

Or, someday I will give up anguishing over the fact that Steve Jobs had to die because his cancer was operable but he refused the procedure because he did not believe in surgery and felt he could survive on alternative methods.

I acknowledge the OP's convictions, and I pray the OP will never contract colon cancer.

Perhaps we should just retire the thread. Vaya con dios.

[skyguy79]

I think we have reached the point of no return on this subject. Those that believe in the test will continue to do it. Those that don't will not.

But my three cents: I hope none of us will ever have to (again, in my case) watch a 40-year-old be ravaged by colon cancer and die.

Or, someday I will give up anguishing over the fact that Steve Jobs had to die because his cancer was operable but he refused the procedure because he did not believe in surgery and felt he could survive on alternative methods.

I acknowledge the OP's convictions, and I pray the OP will never contract colon cancer.

Perhaps we should just retire the thread. Vaya con dios.
:agree:

[ilovetv]

I have never doubted that it can save lives. But it can also sacrifice lives. In the study I mentioned earlier, out of 100,000 colonoscopies, 6 lives were lost. I guess you could say they were sacrificed for the "greater good". But no one is telling us what the numbers are for that greater good. Did it save 12 lives for every 100,000 people tested. 20 people suffered perforated colons; did it save 20 lives?

If doctors are so proud of the lives they save, why don't they give us the numbers?

I don't see any of my doctors past or present being "so proud of the lives they save". They recommend what is in their patients' best interest, based on scientific studies and clinical trial conclusions, to try to detect deadly disease as early as possible--when it is easiest to treat because it hasn't spread yet to distant parts of the body and to organs.

Early detection has always been a known, significant benefit in treating cancer. The decision to do early detection testing is yours after your doctor recommends and prescribes it.

If you think your decisions are better made by reading books by critics of the medical profession, then don't go to the medical professional for advice. Go to the bookstore and be your own "doctor".

[skyc6]

In a 2000 CDC study it was found that 45% of men and 41% of women over 50 had never had a colonoscopy or sigmoidoscopy.

A later report by the CDC states that 63% of those 50 to 75 have been screened. That means more than 1/3 of seniors have not been screened (about 1 out of 3).

How come we are not hearing from them on this thread? Perhaps they fear being ridiculed? Gee, I wonder where they would get that idea?

Why 1/3 of the senior population are not posting on this website, and have also not had colon screening is an unknown quantity. Maybe they don't have a computer, or insurance, or are homeless, or any number of other things.
They may or may not have made a wise decision.
Good luck with making your decision.

[Villages PL]

They recommend what is in their patients' best interest, based on scientific studies and clinical trial conclusions, to try to detect deadly disease as early as possible--when it is easiest to treat because it hasn't spread yet to distant parts of the body and to organs.

Does this mean I'm not allowed to be curious? Does this mean patients should be dumb and stay dumb? Is there a doctor's oath to this effect that I don't know about? I would like to read some of those scientific studies and clinical trial conclusions.

[KayakerNC]

Does this mean I'm not allowed to be curious? Does this mean patients should be dumb and stay dumb? Is there a doctor's oath to this effect that I don't know about? I would like to read some of those scientific studies and clinical trial conclusions.

Curious? Or convinced?
In either case, John Hopkins has some Health Alerts on the subject that you can read at your leisure...no charge.
All Colon Cancer Alerts: Johns Hopkins Health Alerts (http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/alerts/colon_cancer/)

[Schaumburger]

KayakerNC, thank you for posting that link.

[beachgirl]

I felt I had to respond to this thread since I had two neighbors in SC who died from colon cancer. It is not pretty. One was in her 60's and the other was in his 70's. Neither had ever had a colonoscopy and had no history of colon cancer in their families. I have another friend who had never had one (in his mid 60's), then had his first about a year ago, had polyps, was told it wasn't serious, yet had to go through chemo and radiation for about six months. He is clear now, but goes for semi-annual checkups.

I had one at age 50, was clear, and will go back at age 60. My husband had polyps at age 50, which were removed, and goes back every five years. He has been clear since the first colonoscopy for which we are grateful.

I believe in preventive medicine. A little bit of inconvenience is worth not having to go through cancer treatment.

[Villages PL]

Curious? Or convinced?
In either case, John Hopkins has some Health Alerts on the subject that you can read at your leisure...no charge.
All Colon Cancer Alerts: Johns Hopkins Health Alerts (http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/alerts/colon_cancer/)

The question was asked, "Why was this thread started at all?" In other words, suggesting that nothing good would come of it. And many tried hard to make sure nothing good would come of it. They suggested, in a round-about way, that this thread should be shut down.

But you, KayakerNC, proved all the naysayers wrong. You provided a link to some excellent information about colon cancer. Your link was very helpful in making this thread worthwhile. Thank you, I read about 3/4 of the information provied by the link. In the future I will try to remember "Johns Hopkins Health Alerts."

But, you know me, I still have some questions: Before they described about 5 different tests, they said each one has its own risk or risks. But then, as they described each test, they never said what the risk(s) would be for that test. So, in this regard, it seems that Wickipedia turned out to be better. Wikipedia at least gave some of the risks for a colonoscopy. Probably because Wikipedia is not biased by being in the medical business.

Also, it said that most polyps remain benign. But that information by itself leaves a lot of questions unanswered. What percentage of polyps remain benign? And how many people out of X number of people have polyps in the first place? How do people with a family history of colon cancer compare with those with no family history? How do vegans compare with those who eat animal protein? I could go on and on with these questions.

They did say you could lower your risk by exercising and by other means. But, for example, what does it all add up to if one is at their ideal weight, eats lots of fiber from fresh fruit and vegetables, exercises and has no family history etc.. Does that represent a 50% reduction in risk or a 75% reduction in risk? And what would that be in terms of numbers of people per 100,000? Again, because they are in the medical business, they shy-away from answering these questions because it might encourage people to go untested.

[2BNTV]

I felt I had to respond to this thread since I had two neighbors in SC who died from colon cancer. It is not pretty. One was in her 60's and the other was in his 70's. Neither had ever had a colonoscopy and had no history of colon cancer in their families. I have another friend who had never had one (in his mid 60's), then had his first about a year ago, had polyps, was told it wasn't serious, yet had to go through chemo and radiation for about six months. He is clear now, but goes for semi-annual checkups.

I had one at age 50, was clear, and will go back at age 60. My husband had polyps at age 50, which were removed, and goes back every five years. He has been clear since the first colonoscopy for which we are grateful.

I believe in preventive medicine. A little bit of inconvenience is worth not having to go through cancer treatment.

:agree: 100%

If this threads gets one person to consider having a colonoscopy done, then it is worthwhile. I don't know everything and will be the first to admit that medically trained people have more knowledge than I. That is why I think it's prudent to have a colonoscopy.

:popcorn:

[Villages PL]

Did anyone see the article in yesterday's Daily Sun? The heading: "Veteran gets $1.25M from US after surgery led to infection"

Search: "VA infection issues lead to 13,000 veterans' tests - msnbc"

As many as 13,000 patients may have been exposed to hepititis, HIV, and other diseases because of poor hygiene. The colonoscopy equipment had not been properly cleaned (i.e., not sterilized).

And this went on for several years; it was not just a one-time mistake.

[graciegirl]

I don't understand why you continue to discuss this. You have made up your mind.

Do you want to talk others out of tests that identify cancer that can still be treated?

Nothing is without risk. Nothing. And human error and crummy hospitals still exist....everywhere.

It is for each of us to find the best answer for ourselves and live with it, or sadly die with it.

[ugotme]

Unfortunately, both my wife and I are not "doctor people."
HOWEVER, she was not feeling well and I convinced her to get checked out. After a colonoscopy was completed it was determined that she had colo-rectal cancer. She has just finished radiation and chemo treatments and this Thursday (11/29) we visit the surgeon to see how much was shrunk and when he will perform the surgery to remove it.

Actually, all seems to look good - we hope!

We had to cancel our Lifestyle Preview in October but have re-booked for January. Hopefully all will be right by then.

OH - the reason for this post - I am 62 and have never had a colonoscopy.
As soon as my wife is well, I will be booking my first one !!!!

[Schaumburger]

ugotme, I'm sending my wishes for your wife's return to good health soon! I had my first colonoscopy 3 weeks ago, and I'm a pretty wimpy person, but it was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. The prep work is the hardest part; the procedure itself is not that big a deal since you should be fast asleep. Best of luck to you and your wife, and I hope you are able to take your Lifestyle Preview visit in January.

[ugotme]

ugotme, I'm sending my wishes for your wife's return to good health soon! I had my first colonoscopy 3 weeks ago, and I'm a pretty wimpy person, but it was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. The prep work is the hardest part; the procedure itself is not that big a deal since you should be fast asleep. Best of luck to you and your wife, and I hope you are able to take your Lifestyle Preview visit in January.

Thank you very much.

I am confident that I will "see" you all in January!

We are looking - and looking to buy!!!!

[batman911]

I'm going in for a double ender tomorrow morning. Gotta start drinking the juice at 5PM today. No solids after 1PM today. Hope the juice taste better than it looks (probably worse). I have done the upper several times but for that you only need to fast (no juice).

[2BNTV]

I don't understand why you continue to discuss this. You have made up your mind.

Do you want to talk others out of tests that identify cancer that can still be treated?

Nothing is without risk. Nothing. And human error and crummy hospitals still exist....everywhere.

It is for each of us to find the best answer for ourselves and live with it, or sadly die with it.

As usual, you hit the nail on the head. Bingo!!!!! :smiley:

[2BNTV]

Thank you very much.

I am confident that I will "see" you all in January!

We are looking - and looking to buy!!!!

Best of Luck house hunting. I hope you find exactly what you are looking for. :smiley:

[Schaumburger]

I'm going in for a double ender tomorrow morning. Gotta start drinking the juice at 5PM today. No solids after 1PM today. Hope the juice taste better than it looks (probably worse). I have done the upper several times but for that you only need to fast (no juice).

The juice I drank was rather bitter (only 6 oz. mixed with 10 ounces of water), then I drank 32 more ounces of just plain water all in one hour. Then I repeated the same steps the next morning at 6:00 a.m. My friend who had a colonoscopy earlier this year had cherry flavored juice. One coworker said he took a pill -- I will check out that option in 5 yrs. for my next colonoscopy.

[ugotme]

The juice I drank was rather bitter (only 6 oz. mixed with 10 ounces of water), then I drank 32 more ounces of just plain water all in one hour. Then I repeated the same steps the next morning at 6:00 a.m. My friend who had a colonoscopy earlier this year had cherry flavored juice. One coworker said he took a pill -- I will check out that option in 5 yrs. for my next colonoscopy.

Hmmmm can you add scotch or beer to it? LOL

[ugotme]

Best of Luck house hunting. I hope you find exactly what you are looking for. :smiley:

Thanks 2B. Hopefully we wont have to cancel again. But - whatever it is, it is.

Looking to find a senior community with ACTIVITIES!
We are in one in So. Fl. but it is BORING !

[skyguy79]

Hmmmm can you add scotch or beer to it? LOLNo! But a martini with two olives and a pearl onion maybe! :evil6:

[Villages PL]

I don't understand why you continue to discuss this. You have made up your mind.

Do you want to talk others out of tests that identify cancer that can still be treated?

Nothing is without risk. Nothing. And human error and crummy hospitals still exist....everywhere.

It is for each of us to find the best answer for ourselves and live with it, or sadly die with it.

This thread, as you suggested earlier, may not have been true to its heading. In my haste, I made it too limiting. It possibly should have been as follows: Colon cancer/colonoscopies/doctor patient relationship etc. However, it seems to have worked out okay as most people have understood that anything related to colon cancer is fair to discuss.

The reason I brought up the Daily Sun article about contaminated colonoscopy equipment is basically the same reason it was printed in the newspaper. It's news that people should know about. I think full disclosure, in the long run, is a good thing. The public is unlikely to demand better medical treatment if they don't know what's going on. So the first step is to know what's going on.

Rather than behave in a hapless/helpless manor, I would hope that some patients take the inititive to ask if the equipment is being sterilized according to hospital regulations. Is there a special device made for this purpose? Do they have it? Do they use it?

Let's stop acting like doctors are gods and that patients are supposed to be dumb.

[ssmith]

... each person has a conversation style and so each also has a thread style. Instead of asking for honest opinion, as though hehad not made up his mind yet.... this style is to make it seem that others opinions are wanted when in reality he has already made up his mind and wants to communicate that and why he has done so. Just his style neither good nor bad...some seem to be put off by it....but if it helps to open up the discussion and possibly save another life then glad for the discussion. Some take this as argumentative though. See other posts by the OP.

[Villages PL]

... each person has a conversation style and so each also has a thread style. Instead of asking for honest opinion, as though hehad not made up his mind yet.... this style is to make it seem that others opinions are wanted when in reality he has already made up his mind and wants to communicate that and why he has done so. Just his style neither good nor bad...some seem to be put off by it....but if it helps to open up the discussion and possibly save another life then glad for the discussion. Some take this as argumentative though. See other posts by the OP.

Everyone who had read my opening post carefully, should have known that I did have my mind already made up. The second sentence, in part, says, ....I have been refusing to get a colonoscopy. Does that sound like I didn't have my mind made up? Actually, I didn't refuse because the doctor never said that I should have one. He asked if I had one and I said no. And that was that. But on a previous occasion I made it clear that I didn't intend to have one because there was no family history of colon cancer etc..

However, when he handed me an envelope for a fecal test, I was taken off guard. I didn't have time at the end of my visit to really think about it. Then the next day I realized I didn't want to get involved with the fecal test either. And after calling my HMO I got the impression the doctor might be pressuring me toward a colonoscopy, and that if I were to keep refusing he might drop me as a patient. The HMO said that was possible.

Thus the question in my thread heading: Screening for Colon cancer: When is it needed? The answer could have been as follows: "It may be needed if you want to keep your doctor."

Somehow I thought I had made it clear; reread my opening post and see if it doesn't make sense. Yes, I did mention other factors such as my reasoning for not getting tested but my main concern was that I might lose my doctor because of not wanting to be tested.

[Kimandhim19981@gmail.com]

My Dad was 82 (no cancer of any shape or form in the family) he had gastric problems for a month, had a colonoscopy, was diagnosed with cancer and died within 7 days of the test results, please, please get tested every 5 years.

[batman911]

The juice I drank was rather bitter (only 6 oz. mixed with 10 ounces of water), then I drank 32 more ounces of just plain water all in one hour. Then I repeated the same steps the next morning at 6:00 a.m. My friend who had a colonoscopy earlier this year had cherry flavored juice. One coworker said he took a pill -- I will check out that option in 5 yrs. for my next colonoscopy.

Drank 1/2 GL of the pineapple flavored stuff at 5PM yesterday. Taste like salty watered down pineapple juice. Not too bad. Drank the other 1/2 GL at 4AM this morning. Checked in to the clinic at 0830, by 0915 was in the room getting hooked up and sedated. Don't remember anything until I awoke back in the recovery room at 1030. Out the door on the way home, wife driving, at 1100. No discomfort. A little groggy. Taking it easy the rest of the day. No polyps or lesions found upper or lower. Good to go.

[gerryann]

Congratulations. Now don't you feel a whole lot better knowing that you're all clear? I know I always have. Wish me luck, I'm going in for the same in about 2 weeks.

[graciegirl]

Drank 1/2 GL of the pineapple flavored stuff at 5PM yesterday. Taste like salty watered down pineapple juice. Not too bad. Drank the other 1/2 GL at 4AM this morning. Checked in to the clinic at 0830, by 0915 was in the room getting hooked up and sedated. Don't remember anything until I awoke back in the recovery room at 1030. Out the door on the way home, wife driving, at 1100. No discomfort. A little groggy. Taking it easy the rest of the day. No polyps or lesions found upper or lower. Good to go.

Good for you and an extra....Whew, that is over. I feel good for ya!

[batman911]

Good for you and an extra....Whew, that is over. I feel good for ya!

Thanks Gracie. Now I can finish off those Thanksgiving leftovers guilt free :mmmm:

[2BNTV]

Drank 1/2 GL of the pineapple flavored stuff at 5PM yesterday. Taste like salty watered down pineapple juice. Not too bad. Drank the other 1/2 GL at 4AM this morning. Checked in to the clinic at 0830, by 0915 was in the room getting hooked up and sedated. Don't remember anything until I awoke back in the recovery room at 1030. Out the door on the way home, wife driving, at 1100. No discomfort. A little groggy. Taking it easy the rest of the day. No polyps or lesions found upper or lower. Good to go.

Sounds similar to what I experience the first time unit was done. Groggy for the rest of the day.

I made an appointment to meet my friend for coffeee later that day and totally forgot about it as I was still groggy. Oh well.

Glad to hear you got good news.

[Love2cruise]

Congratulations. Now don't you feel a whole lot better knowing that you're all clear? I know I always have. Wish me luck, I'm going in for the same in about 2 weeks.

Good luck to you and may your results be positive!

[skyc6]

Everyone who had read my opening post carefully, should have known that I did have my mind already made up. The second sentence, in part, says, ....I have been refusing to get a colonoscopy. Does that sound like I didn't have my mind made up? Actually, I didn't refuse because the doctor never said that I should have one. He asked if I had one and I said no. And that was that. But on a previous occasion I made it clear that I didn't intend to have one because there was no family history of colon cancer etc..

However, when he handed me an envelope for a fecal test, I was taken off guard. I didn't have time at the end of my visit to really think about it. Then the next day I realized I didn't want to get involved with the fecal test either. And after calling my HMO I got the impression the doctor might be pressuring me toward a colonoscopy, and that if I were to keep refusing he might drop me as a patient. The HMO said that was possible.

Thus the question in my thread heading: Screening for Colon cancer: When is it needed? The answer could have been as follows: "It may be needed if you want to keep your doctor."

Somehow I thought I had made it clear; reread my opening post and see if it doesn't make sense. Yes, I did mention other factors such as my reasoning for not getting tested but my main concern was that I might lose my doctor because of not wanting to be tested.

Probably 3 pages about a colonoscopy that will never happen is enough. Ideas have been shared and suggestions made, but the situation is the same as it was in the first post. 'nuff said.

[graciegirl]

Probably 3 pages about a colonoscopy that will never happen is enough. Ideas have been shared and suggestions made, but the situation is the same as it was in the first post. 'nuff said.

Yup. You are right and you have that rarest of all attributes; common sense, which is assessing the situation and getting to the bottom line. And speaking of the bottom line..and I have said this before...

You can lead a horse to water but you can't force a hose up his bottom.

[skyguy79]

Yup. You are right and you have that rarest of all attributes; common sense, which is assessing the situation and getting to the bottom line. And speaking of the bottom line..and I have said this before...

You can lead a horse to water but you can't force a hose up his bottom.Wanna bet? If a Vet can get their arm up there for an exam, then there is nothing holding back a hose!

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HUH!!!

[2BNTV]

Screening for colon cancer: When is it needed?

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Short answer is Never if you decide your not getting one.

But then you may die of colon cancer. IMHO

OP - Villages Pl has decided to not have one....... nuff said.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[skyguy79]

Screening for colon cancer: When is it needed?

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Short answer is Never if you decide your not getting one.

But then you may die of colon cancer. IMHO

OP - Villages Pl has decided to not have one....... nuff said.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:You're absolutely right Joe and I wonder if there is any purpose in continuing this thread. Is there anything new to add or are the same comments simply being restated or paraphrased over and over again. Perhaps this thread has fully run it's usefulness and it's time for Mr. Admin to consider closing it! :icon_bored:

[2BNTV]

You're absolutely right Joe and I wonder if there is any purpose in continuing this thread. Is there anything new to add or are the same comments simply being restated or paraphrased over and over again. Perhaps this thread has fully run it's usefulness and it's time for Mr. Admin to consider closing it! :icon_bored:

Exactly. That is the point of my post.

It seems like a rheotorical question, if someone has no intentional purpose to having this procedure done. We are getting an aerobic exercises for our tongues. :smiley:

[ugotme]

You are right ! this thread has become a real PAIN IN THE . . .

[2BNTV]

Hopefully, this is the "end" of it.

Please Mr. Moderator, please end this thread even though I am not the original poster.

[Villages PL]

I found some important information I think everyone should read: (Perhaps someone could provide a link for it.)

Search the following: "Death By Colonoscopy: Side Effects of Screening Colonoscopies"

The bottom line of this information is: Your chances of dying from colonoscopy screening may exceed your chances of getting colon cancer.

Also, there's a book on this subject: "Should I Be Tested For Cancer? - Maybe Not And Here's Why" by Dr. Welch

[Moderator]

This thread seems to have outlived its original intent and will be closed.

One can always start a new thread with a new topic or new information regarding this topic.

Moderator.