Did he....betray us?

[graciegirl]

I asked for permission to start a thread to discuss the news of retired General Petraeus stepping down in the light of his affair with his biographer.

The moderators say that it is of national interest and we can discuss it as long as it does NOT become political.

It seemed strange to me when I first heard it because although immoral, it isn't illegal to have an affair.

Well every day now this strange story grows worse. I wonder what REALLY did happen and I am NOT a fan of conspiracy stuff but this seems pretty strange to me and particularly in the timing of disclosure.

I don't think this thread will last long, but what a MESS!!!

[Posh 08]

I asked for permission to start a thread to discuss the news of retired General Petraeus stepping down in the light of his affair with his biographer.

The moderators say that it is of national interest and we can discuss it as long as it does NOT become political.

It seemed strange to me when I first heard it because although immoral, it isn't illegal to have an affair.

Well every day now this strange story grows worse. I wonder what REALLY did happen and I am NOT a fan of conspiracy stuff but this seems pretty strange to me and particularly in the timing of disclosure.

I don't think this thread will last long, but what a MESS!!!

Army regulations forbid extra marital affairs.

[Figmo Bohica]

Posh 08 is correct, under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) affairs are punishable. So he did do wrong, but why wait until after the election to bring it out.

[ssmith]

...not illegal and certainly immoral. The issue becomes the the closeness of the person to have access to secrets and the possibility of blackmail and or divulging secrets through 'pillow talk'. That is how I see it anyway.

I would guess that Petreus will still have to be closely monitored since many enemies would like to get access to the infomation he has. Couldn't you just see people offering him favors for information. Of course that is true of anyone with information but once a person has been found to have a weakness in that area it is easier to try access again in that way.
Also the lady was found to have classified documents in her possession.

However, I do think it is great that he has stood up to take responsiblity even if he was about to be exposed for it anyway.

[shcisamax]

...not illegal and certainly immoral. The issue becomes the the closeness of the person to have access to secrets and the possibility of blackmail and or divulging secrets through 'pillow talk'. That is how I see it anyway.

I would guess that Petreus will still have to be closely monitored since many enemies would like to get access to the infomation he has. Couldn't you just see people offering him favors for information.

However, I do think it is great that he has stood up to take responsiblity even if he was about to be exposed for it anyway.

Absolutely agree. The "immoral" aspect is of no consequence to you or me. BUT the underlying consequences of infiltration is of huge consequence. If you sign on for a position where the entire country is the ultimate recipient of your character choices, (and let's face it, are there anymore serious consequences?), you are supposed to be worthy of that position and willing to accept the parameters.

As for the timing of release, it is obvious.

[mulligan]

The thing that bothers me the most, is that I have 2 grandsons in the army. Both in military intelligence, one going to ranger school, and 1 going to special forces school.HE WAS THEIR BOSS !!!!!

[carm310]

All I can say is I am very sad for the families of all involved, suspicious of the timing and not surprised at the moral failure of human beings. Unfortunately it goes beyond those directly involved and I suspect is much more far reaching than any of us can imagine. God help us all.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

To me the issue is trust. If he can't live up to the "promises" he made to his wife how can he be trusted with the secrets of national security. In my mind anyone that would cheat on a spouse is scum, I don't care how long they were apart because he was deployed. I spent much of my career for months and sometime years at a time away from my family, i expected my wife to keep our vows and I certainly expected that I would keep them! It amazes me how people will do things to their spouse that they wouldn't think of doing to anyone else in their life

[Posh 08]

To me the issue is trust. If he can't live up to the "promises" he made to his wife how can he be trusted with the secrets of national security. In my mind anyone that would cheat on a spouse is scum, I don't care how long they were apart because he was deployed. I spent much of my career for months and sometime years at a time away from my family, i expected my wife to keep our vows and I certainly expected that I would keep them! It amazes me how people will do things to their spouse that they wouldn't think of doing to anyone else in their life

Indeed!

[tainsley]

Where is the discipline, honor, values? His wife and family humiliated by the general's secret life. So sad. Did he really think he would never get caught with his pants down?

[rp001]

I don't believe he can be prosecuted by the ucmj...The affair supposedly happened after he left the military.The worse I see is a crime of moral turpetude, not criminal but wold warrant a resignation..I will be curious as to the true time line when it comes to press..The only thing I'm sure of is you just can't make this craziness up...

[NotGolfer]

Where's Olivia (the "fixer") when we need her???

This story breeds speculations and nothing more. It's a diversion tactict in my opinion.

[Taltarzac725]

David Petraeus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal

[missypie]

Cheating on ones spouse speaks volumes, but who does it really hurt? The children....always has always will.

[jimbo2012]

It has been said that men in high power positions do actually have very high testosterone levels.

Not saying that to poke fun it's a fact.

But that doesn't excuse him, he's still is a dirtbag for what he did to his family and country.

[janmcn]

General Petraeus let his guard down, unfortunately also his pants.

[silvertoken]

People don’t seek out an affair to fall in love. They seek out an affair to please themselves or to fill a void they may not be getting from their spouse. Typically, people who do this, aren't looking for love. They’re looking for sex or emotion. It really has nothing to do with betrayal.

[2BNTV]

1. Another case of, "what were you thinking"?
2. Holly Patraeus is said to be furious and that's putting it mildly.
3. He let his family and country down and he hurt a lot of people.
4. Her family life is also affected by her deceitful ways.
5. To much is given, much is required.

Sadly, another case of someone aspiring to a position that didn't have the moral fiber to take the high road. Cheating on one's spouse is abhorrent and leads to absolutely no trust.

Sad commentary in that you can't look-up to some people, they have a way of letting you down.

[Taltarzac725]

5 things we've learned from Petraeus scandal - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/14/opinion/ghitis-petraeus-5-things/index.html)

On the timing of this: not sure I would have wanted the Election Truth Machine pointed at this Petraeus scandal as from what I saw of the recent US Presidential and Congressional elections the facts were few and far between. Kind of like having a paranoid schizophrenic run a conspiracy investigation? The defense attorneys would have a field day with that one as those legal beagles of Petraeus probably would also if this came out before the 2012 US Elections.

[784caroline]

The affair happened AFTER General Petraeus reited from the military....so the UCMJ has no legal bearing in this matter. If they started putting people in jail who ever had an affair 50% of the men and 50% of the women would ,at one time in their lifes, be locked up....and yes that applies to people living here in TV also.

I, for one, would be very hesistant to allow one (known) indescretion to erode or tear down a brillant decorated career of more than 37 years and for the Government to possibly lose one of the most brilliant/intellectual minds of today. We all know retirement from ones carrer of many years can change people in many ways. One can say this is a personal matter and should remain within the families involved. There is alot of hurt to go around including spouse, children and close friends and familiy.. However, given his posiiton as CIA Director and the judgement used (or lack thereof) in such things as allowing access to his personal computer, I think Petreaus crossed the line from this being simply a family matter to potentially impacting the nation. From what I read (material avialable to the general public) with no speculation on what did or did not happen, makes this case somewhat different from others in the past. General Petraeus did the right thing by steping down.

[silvertoken]

Soon they will be seeking merely to participate in the existing system of family law for married couples, “you’d have to restructure the family law system in a pretty fundamental way” to recognize polygamy.

[mrsanborn]

Just another General thinking with his Private.

[silvertoken]

Just another General thinking with his Private.

LMAO:bowdown:

[njbchbum]

i don't know if gen petraus betrayed us, but given the nature of the release of information re the salacious behavior of so many different players...it seems that someone has again betrayed the american people. makes me wonder when information is being sent up the food chain - who makes the determination as to whether that information is important or critical or can just be dismissed. who decides what information reaches the oval office?

[silvertoken]

i don't know if gen petraus betrayed us, but given the nature of the release of information re the salacious behavior of so many different players...it seems that someone has again betrayed the american people. makes me wonder when information is being sent up the food chain - who makes the determination as to whether that information is important or critical or can just be dismissed. who decides what information reaches the oval office?

I think Hillary has experience to answer this.

[Taltarzac725]

Just another General thinking with his Private.

Very funny one liner. I cannot think of that many--if any-- US generals, though, that have fallen for the weakness of marital affairs.

Top Ten Military Sex Scandals--
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/13/top-ten-military-sex-scandals.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/13/top-ten-military-sex-scandals-part-two.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/13/top-ten-military-sex-scandals-part-three.html

[Mack184]

To me the issue is trust. If he can't live up to the "promises" he made to his wife how can he be trusted with the secrets of national security. In my mind anyone that would cheat on a spouse is scum, I don't care how long they were apart because he was deployed. I spent much of my career for months and sometime years at a time away from my family, i expected my wife to keep our vows and I certainly expected that I would keep them! It amazes me how people will do things to their spouse that they wouldn't think of doing to anyone else in their life
Agree 100%. If you cannot keep the promises made to your spouse before God then you are not worthy of anyone else's trust. Often I hear people making excuses about those who cheat and get caught, and when it comes to public officials they then excuse it by saying "He/she was REALLY good at their job". Hogwash! If you will lie to your spouse then you will lie when it's much, much easier to do so.

Our culture has made divorce very easy in this nation, so if you want to play, then get a divorce and go about your business.

This entire story is disgusting. The general deserves whatever he gets.

[JeffAVEWS]

I'm not a lawyer, but Article 2 of the UCMJ states that retired active duty personnel DO fall under it's authority. Who knows, the General might get a Article 15.

[Figmo Bohica]

The affair happened AFTER General Petraeus reited from the military....so the UCMJ has no legal bearing in this matter.

Officers never retire completely. As long as he was drawing retirement pay, actually retainer pay, he is accountable to the UCMJ.

[Geewiz]

First - we have become too hypocritical about this issue. People are people and they have failings. We live in a 24/7 media culture that makes a great deal of cash from dwelling on this stuff. Ike had his affair, JFK has his affairs, FDR, RFK Hoover and his dresses...blah - blah - blah. Guys are dogs...my guess is that more than a few women are as well.

Two - what the heck is FBI doing investigating the CIA director and then slipping info to Eric Cantor? 1. FBI and CIA hate each other....their mandate permits a certain amount of overlap and funding and staffing follow success.. 2. We have one girl accuse another girl of harassing e-mails....how is this an FBI issue? This is a local police matter. It they believe it involves national security it's the local police's job to contact FBI,,,not some connected family. Let's make it personal...if someone connected wants you investigated by FBI where are your protections? The bottom line - none - nada...welcome to becoming a Federal target...and guess what...the Feds will kill you just based on resources. 3. Eric Cantor...why is he involved (and this was thrust on him - there is no evidence out there that he did anything wrong)? This whole thing stinks. And don't go into easy political motivations. The CIA director was not a dem and his relationship with O was testy. FBI belongs to Holder. Still, my guess is that the internal politics are at a lower level. Whether you are liberal or conservative...criminal investigations shouldn't be leaked to politicians...especially when it turns out that no crime was committed The FBI agent behind this needs to put his shirt back on and start looking for a new job.

Lastly, is Tampa really the new South Beach? Time to party with the brass and their babes.

I hope while this post touched on the inherent politics of this...I tried to avoid it being partisan. For me the bad guy is the FBI agent who tried to make it political in between e-mailing pics of his pecs.

[rjn5656]

Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!

[Geewiz]

Clinton - Thomas Jefferson - the list goes on and on and on.

[jimbo2012]

Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!

Because he never had sexual relations with that woman.

[silvertoken]

Because he never had sexual relations with that woman.

That's right he had a relation with her outfit.

[duffysmom]

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. Here's another perspective regarding those who attain positions of power, not necessarily the Generals but interesting.

Why (Some) Psychopaths Make Great CEOs - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/)

[jebartle]

He is head of the CIA and he is sending E-MAILS!!! (Dah!)....Is he nuts!

[Mack184]

Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!
We are failing as a society. We excuse things that we never should. The governor of the state of NY lives "shacked up" with his girlfriend. A mere 25 years ago he would have been hounded out of office for such behavior. Our leaders are held to the most minimal of standards.

We excuse things because "everybody does it". How many times did you hear that from your children, yet refused to go along with what they wanted or did because you KNEW it was wrong.

Some things are always wrong and always will be no matter what they are. The fact that as a society we are willing to merely pass things off "because everybody does it" is sickening.

It is no measure of mental health to be well adjusted in a profoundly sick society. There are a great many churches that have been built in and around TV. Either they have all turned into social clubs or nobody is listening to what's being said. God's laws never change.

[duffysmom]

He is head of the CIA and he is sending E-MAILS!!! (Dah!)....Is he nuts!

Not just emails but a covert set up that didn't work. :shrug: He didn't even get that right. My heart goes out to the little children who will suffer the consequences and have to live with the shame of this debacle, their lives will be forever changed because their parents acted out selfishly.

[Geewiz]

He is head of the CIA and he is sending E-MAILS!!! (Dah!)....Is he nuts!

Actually he wasn't sending e-mails. He was using a little known hacker technique of sharing a g-mail account with a password known to those on the inside (in this case - the director and his lover) and storing the e-mails as drafts. Assuming the password is very complex...it's very hard to access unless you have access to the actual computers used to write to the accounts. Of course, now it's not so secret of a technique and wanna bet that lovers everywhere will start using it? Plus drug dealers...inside stock traders...and the occasional terrorist.

[Mikeod]

Yahoo is reporting that the FBI found classified documents at the lover's house.

IIRC flag officers are never retired in the usual sense, so still fall under the UCMJ. Their pay is a retainer.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!

He isn't different then Clinton, they both cheated on their wives. To me it doesn't matter if 1,000 poweful men and women cheat it's still wrong. As far as listening to Clinton some do some don't but so what? Many listened to Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Rev Moon and other cult-of-personalities still doesn't mean they are worthy of listening too

[Trish Crocker]

First - we have become too hypocritical about this issue. People are people and they have failings. We live in a 24/7 media culture that makes a great deal of cash from dwelling on this stuff. Ike had his affair, JFK has his affairs, FDR, RFK Hoover and his dresses...blah - blah - blah. Guys are dogs...my guess is that more than a few women are as well.

Two - what the heck is FBI doing investigating the CIA director and then slipping info to Eric Cantor? 1. FBI and CIA hate each other....their mandate permits a certain amount of overlap and funding and staffing follow success.. 2. We have one girl accuse another girl of harassing e-mails....how is this an FBI issue? This is a local police matter. It they believe it involves national security it's the local police's job to contact FBI,,,not some connected family. Let's make it personal...if someone connected wants you investigated by FBI where are your protections? The bottom line - none - nada...welcome to becoming a Federal target...and guess what...the Feds will kill you just based on resources. 3. Eric Cantor...why is he involved (and this was thrust on him - there is no evidence out there that he did anything wrong)? This whole thing stinks. And don't go into easy political motivations. The CIA director was not a dem and his relationship with O was testy. FBI belongs to Holder. Still, my guess is that the internal politics are at a lower level. Whether you are liberal or conservative...criminal investigations shouldn't be leaked to politicians...especially when it turns out that no crime was committed The FBI agent behind this needs to put his shirt back on and start looking for a new job.

Lastly, is Tampa really the new South Beach? Time to party with the brass and their babes.

I hope while this post touched on the inherent politics of this...I tried to avoid it being partisan. For me the bad guy is the FBI agent who tried to make it political in between e-mailing pics of his pecs.

I totally agree with you pointing out the hypocrisy of this country. These men (and women) are mortals. We have no idea what their relationship with their spouses is like. When someone has a position of power or fame there will always be people trying to get close to them. It's easy to say that you would not fall, that you would always take the high ground and never, ever do anything immoral but the reality is, as humans we are all capable of doing anything under the right circumstances. We have TV shows dedicated to cheating and newsstands are full of magazines talking about who is dating who on the side. We hold some people to higher standards and then can't understand when they don't maintain them.
I can say with all of my heart that I would never cheat on my husband...well..if Mark Harmon called...........(just kidding!)

[Mack184]

The Bible is VERY clear on whom we should be picking as leaders. Unfortunately it's no longer fashionable to follow the word of God, and hold people to those standards since it might just interrupt our fun times. The time is coming where we will be VERY, VERY sorry that we did not follow his word. Of course by that time it will be very much too late.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I totally agree with you pointing out the hypocrisy of this country. These men (and women) are mortals. We have no idea what their relationship with their spouses is like. When someone has a position of power or fame there will always be people trying to get close to them. It's easy to say that you would not fall, that you would always take the high ground and never, ever do anything immoral but the reality is, as humans we are all capable of doing anything under the right circumstances. We have TV shows dedicated to cheating and newsstands are full of magazines talking about who is dating who on the side. We hold some people to higher standards and then can't understand when they don't maintain them.
I can say with all of my heart that I would never cheat on my husband...well..if Mark Harmon called...........(just kidding!)

Yes the hypocrisy of this country is amazing. However in my view the relationship with their spouse has nothing to do with cheating, either you are trustworthy or you're not! I know what I would do, I have faced the chance to cheat many times and my vows, my self-worth and the trust my wife put in me were more than enough so that I wasn't even tempted. I think anyone that worked in an office enviroment in the last 30 years had the temptation all around them. I for one had at least 5 members of the oppisite sex just come out and ask me if I wanted to get together. I'm maybe a little younger than many on TOTV (53 years old) but you don't have to be rich, powerful or even good looking to have an affair. There are many people out there that are so desperate for attention that they will throw away everything for a few moments of a strangers attention. How sad!

[BobnBev]

Posh 08 is correct, under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) affairs are punishable. So he did do wrong, but why wait until after the election to bring it out.

Don't know where I read it, but it said the affair took place after he retired
from the Army. If that's the case, then he no longer falls under UCMJ.

[BarryRX]

It looks like the time has come to ban heterosexuals from the Armed Forces!

[JeffAVEWS]

Don't know where I read it, but it said the affair took place after he retired
from the Army. If that's the case, then he no longer falls under UCMJ.

Taken from Article 2 of the UCMJ (see item 4);
802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:
(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.
(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.
(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.

[Geewiz]

It looks like the time has come to ban heterosexuals from the Armed Forces!

That's a hoot!

In China - before the revolution - the top level officials were eunuchs...I have an ex-spouse who specializes in this surgery. She needs something to occupy her time now that I'm moving to TV. Serendipity.

[Villages PL]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

[perrjojo]

I'm with Gracie in that I'm not much into conspiricay theorys but three high ranking military men demoted or fired after Bengazi is a little much to take in. This must be something BIG. There has to be more to it. It all sounds too high school mean girls.

[jimbo2012]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.



http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1200499.1352695818!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-petraeuslook-1111.jpg

Paula Broadwell, second left, watches as General David Petraeus, right, and his wife Holly, third left, arrive for a Senate Select Intelligence Committee hearing on Petraeus' nomination to be director of the Central Intelligence Agency

?????

[perrjojo]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

OK, as a woman I must take offense at this comment, however I know a Generals wife has the funds to have a "little work" done. :-). BTW, the General isn't exactly Brad Pitt handsome.

[janmcn]

I'm with Gracie in that I'm not much into conspiricay theorys but three high ranking military men demoted or fired after Bengazi is a little much to take in. This must be something BIG. There has to be more to it. It all sounds too high school mean girls.

Please explain who are the "three high ranking military men demoted or fired after Bengazi"? General Petraeus resigned, and General Allen's promotion to Supreme Allied Commander of NATO Forces has been put on hold. Who was demoted or fired?

[BobnBev]

Taken from Article 2 of the UCMJ (see item 4);
802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:
(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.
(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.
(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.

Very interesting that #4. I did a quick search of the UCMJ, couldn't find anything on adultery, but conduct unbecoming would apply. Regardless, I don't think he will face a Courts Martial. Possibly loss of a star, but with his background, I don't think the gov't wants to take that route. I wonder if the POTUS, as Commander in Chief, would be subject to the UCMJ?

[Mr. Grampi II]

I am not big on conspiracy stories either, I prefer to work with what we know. I think this is a sad story and I think it is in some ways reflective of us as a nation... Our military is a lot like business today, do the same amount of work or more with less people. General Petraeus has been our go to guy and has done great things for our country in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like many in our military he has served multiple tours , time after time in the wars we have fought for the last 12 years. Do more with less....I read were has spent most of the last 10 years away from his wife, serving our country. Do not get me wrong , what he did is very wrong but understandable, not sure if it is forgivable, only his wife can determine that.. He spent 10 years away from home and shared meaningful time with an attractive someone other than his wife, kinda like rubbing sticks together, eventually there is a spark...and then fire. I think there is a lesson in this for all of us if we are willing to look..

[perrjojo]

Please explain who are the "three high ranking military men demoted or fired after Bengazi"? General Petraeus resigned, and General Allen's promotion to Supreme Allied Commander of NATO Forces has been put on hold. Who was demoted or fired?


OK, semantics...Petreaus resigned...General Allen was "put on hold", 4star General William Ward, head of US Africa Command was stripped of one star and relieved of Command.

[gomoho]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

PLEASE - that is just plain stupid and denegrating to all of us as human beings. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[perrjojo]

[QUOTE=gomoho;580979]PLEASE - that is just plain stupid and denegrating to all of us as human beings. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.[/QUOT:

:agree: Amen!

[Figmo Bohica]

I wonder if the POTUS, as Commander in Chief, would be subject to the UCMJ?

No, POTUS is a civilian, he is not a military member. Read the United States Constitution, get informed.

[janmcn]

I'm with Gracie in that I'm not much into conspiricay theorys but three high ranking military men demoted or fired after Bengazi is a little much to take in. This must be something BIG. There has to be more to it. It all sounds too high school mean girls.

OK, semantics...Petreaus resigned...General Allen was "put on hold", 4star General William Ward, head of US Africa Command was stripped of one star and relieved of Command.

Semantics again...General William Ward was relieved of command and stripped of one star because of lavish spending, General Petreaus resigned because of unacceptable behavior, and General Allen is being investigated because of email correspondence. None of these cases have anything to do with Bengazi.

Tomorrow General Petreaus will testify about Bengazi before a closed session of the Senate Intellegience Committee. Stay tuned.


General William Ward demoted for lavish travel, spending - Associated Press - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83770.html)

[perrjojo]

Semantics again...General William Ward was relieved of command and stripped of one star because of lavish spending, General Petreaus resigned because of unacceptable behavior, and General Allen is being investigated because of email correspondence. None of these cases have anything to do with Bengazi.

Tomorrow General Petreaus will testify about Bengazi before a closed session of the Senate Intellegience Committee. Stay tuned.


General William Ward demoted for lavish travel, spending - Associated Press - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83770.html)

Maybe, maybe not...time will tell.

[Mack184]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.
What a disgusting comment! The man made a wedding vow to his wife and his word was no good to her. And..if your word is no good, then you are no good. The only thing a person truly has is their word. If you compromise that, then you truly posess nothing.

[SALYBOW]

Absolutely agree. The "immoral" aspect is of no consequence to you or me. BUT the underlying consequences of infiltration is of huge consequence. If you sign on for a position where the entire country is the ultimate recipient of your character choices, (and let's face it, are there anymore serious consequences?), you are supposed to be worthy of that position and willing to accept the parameters.

As for the timing of release, it is obvious. I feel that they immoral part is an issue to me. We tried to raise our children to believe that one is monogamous in marriage The are trying to raise their children...my grandchildren... that way. With this all over the news and in their faces constantly it may be of consequence to their way of thinking.

:shrug: Just my two cents...

[NotGolfer]

I have to wonder about all this!!! The main-stream media isn't known for actually giving us the true facts of something. Things are taken out of context, edited and so forth. It just seemed strange that the administration or whomever, brought this out at a weird time. Is it another "wag the dog"? I agree that what happened as far as an affair is concerned....that it's immoral. If not, then why do folks sneak around and try to keep things quiet? I say this without getting into the spiritual end of it! We can discuss this for 20 "pages" but none of us will make sense of this particular event, nor will we find a solution here. Wish we could get "political"!!!!!

[chuckinca]

He spent 10 years away from home and shared meaningful time with an attractive someone other than his wife, kinda like rubbing sticks together, eventually there is a spark...and then fire. I think there is a lesson in this for all of us if we are willing to look..


A few months ago we had dinner with a group of ten or so friends at Outback in TV and with the group was an Army Major General and his wife - he had also just returned from ten years in the middle east. Kinda makes my 13 months in Vietnam look like a vacation.

I believe that in Vietnam, flag officers had to serve two year tours (while everyone else went home after one year), however, their wives were billeted at Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines and had monthly visits from their husbands - wonder how that is currently handled?

Also, As I recall, Ike had a fondness for his female staff car driver after 3 years in England.

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[ilovetv]

Talk about skirting the real issue!

It's not so much about the affair. It's about a known threat to national security AND to our diplomatic corps AND our troops....

......that was allowed to CONTINUE after being found out, for the sake of a campaign FAÇADE of caring, trustworthy leadership at the very top.

[tainsley]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

You really can't be serious! What does his wife's looks have to do with his cheating? He wears a hairpiece and certainly looks his age...what do you find so attractive?

[Pturner]

The issue for the nation is national security. For his family, it is personal.

[Geewiz]

Talk about skirting the real issue!

It's not so much about the affair. It's about a known threat to national security AND to our diplomatic corps AND our troops....

......that was allowed to CONTINUE after being found out, for the sake of a campaign FAÇADE of caring, trustworthy leadership at the very top.

A threat to troops? You're joking, yes?

Suppressed information before an election? I guess Eric Cantor is a tool of Axelrod...cause he was the pol who got the scoop prior to the vote.

And the issue of security being compromised by a non-marital horizontal boogie....that is more the product of our puritan need for fidelity when - in fact - guys screw around...girls might not like it...but some clearly don't have that much of an issue with it as the girls involved were both married. People are people. You might not approve of their behavior...it might violate your personal morality...but, we need to stop holding our leaders up to a standard that a vast number of our population don't keep for themselves.

Sometimes our need for perfection from our leaders makes us far more vulnerable aside from denying us some of our best and brightest.

BTW - on a personal note...I think the CIA director is a smart/talented guy...but, his strategy in Afghanistan was a mess and a failure. You want to remove him for that...I'm all in...but, for an affair...that's just wacky. It's time we kept our collective noses out of others' bedrooms.

[wendyquat]

My bet is there is VERY much more to this than has been made known! I hope he can stay safe before his testimony Friday!

[Mack184]

The issue for the nation is national security. For his family, it is personal.
While it is personal for his family, it's one thing if you're Joe Bagadonuts and nobody cares who you are, but if you're on the world's center stage, and something like this happens it's not quite easily to deal with it "as a family" while the whole world watches.

Regarding national security, those foreign governments who seek to compromise us look for weaknesses in people whether it be debt, gambling, drinking or a wandering eye. People caught up in such acts are easy to blackmail. With all of the general's experience he should know exactly this. For him to compromise himself, his nation and his family for a roll in the hay is mind-boggling.

[ilovetv]

While it is personal for his family, it's one thing if you're Joe Bagadonuts and nobody cares who you are, but if you're on the world's center stage, and something like this happens it's not quite easily to deal with it "as a family" while the whole world watches.

Regarding national security, those foreign governments who seek to compromise us look for weaknesses in people whether it be debt, gambling, drinking or a wandering eye. People caught up in such acts are easy to blackmail. With all of the general's experience he should know exactly this. For him to compromise himself, his nation and his family for a roll in the hay is mind-boggling.

But then, some will be excused because "it depends on what the definition of 'IS' is".

[Geewiz]

You can only "blackmail" someone if they are trying to hide something. What if someone tried to blackmail the CIA director about his affair and his response was, "have a party. It's no secret...the White House knows...my wife knows...they might not be happy about it but, they also don't approve of the moles on my neck. Life is complex and I really don't give a cr*p about what you publish. In the end - you'll look more like a jerk than me." End of story...we all like having sex and that's OK.

[Skybo]

Putting all of the morality and legal issues aside, the absurdity of it all just boggles the mind.

The Director of the CIA uses a gmail account to “secretly” correspond with his girlfriend?

The girlfriend (an educated 40 year old woman) sends harassing emails to her “rival” and she actually thinks that it can’t be detected because she’s using an anonymizer site?

Are the inmates running the asylum?

[ilovetv]

Putting all of the morality and legal issues aside, the absurdity of it all just boggles the mind.

The Director of the CIA uses a gmail account to “secretly” correspond with his girlfriend?

The girlfriend (an educated 40 year old woman) sends harassing emails to her “rival” and she actually thinks that it can’t be detected because she’s using an anonymizer site?

Are the inmates running the asylum?

Yes, they are. And people wonder why we don't trust Washington politicians and why we want exceedingly LESS of their "leadership" and "vision for our future".

[Geewiz]

Yes, they are. And people wonder why we don't trust Washington politicians and why we want exceedingly LESS of their "leadership" and "vision for our future".

Aside from being a partisan post ...it's dumb. Folks in private industry (I guess Mr. Waffle House is now on the griddle) are as subject to human failings as military guys and politicians (I love the repub who was caught trying to have anonymous sex in a men's room..."Honest officer, I tripped and fell against that man's organ.") This is not a left or right thing...we (especially guys) are prone to have sex without commitment...it might not be a good thing...a "moral" thing...but, it happens. Handle it.

I would rather support a politician who is honest about his/her political positions and government employees who work for the common good as directed by their elected bosses than a "proper moral person" who is probably just a good fiber. This has zero - zip - nada about the value of government. It has no more truth about the institution of government than priests who rape alter boys have about the value and truth of the church. Easy conclusions are foolish.

[Skybo]

You can only "blackmail" someone if they are trying to hide something. What if someone tried to blackmail the CIA director about his affair and his response was, "have a party. It's no secret...the White House knows...my wife knows...they might not be happy about it but, they also don't approve of the moles on my neck. Life is complex and I really don't give a cr*p about what you publish. In the end - you'll look more like a jerk than me." End of story...we all like having sex and that's OK.

I understand what you are saying Geewiz, but that’s not how it works with security clearances. Before you are ever entrusted with a clearance, you sign documents in which you agree that you will not put yourself into a position to be blackmailed. In other words, you don’t have to actually be blackmailed...you can't even behave in a way that might invite blackmail. And, that’s as it should be, for obvious reasons.

[CFrance]

Aside from being a partisan post ...it's dumb. Folks in private industry (I guess Mr. Waffle House is now on the griddle) are as subject to human failings as military guys and politicians (I love the repub who was caught trying to have anonymous sex in a men's room..."Honest officer, I tripped and fell against that man's organ.") This is not a left or right thing...we (especially guys) are prone to have sex without commitment...it might not be a good thing...a "moral" thing...but, it happens. Handle it.

I would rather support a politician who is honest about his/her political positions and government employees who work for the common good as directed by their elected bosses than a "proper moral person" who is probably just a good fiber. This has zero - zip - nada about the value of government. It has no more truth about the institution of government than priests who rape alter boys have about the value and truth of the church. Easy conclusions are foolish.

Spot on.

[Geewiz]

I understand what you are saying Geewiz, but that’s not how it works with security clearances. Before you are ever entrusted with a clearance, you sign documents in which you agree that you will not put yourself into a position to be blackmailed. In other words, you don’t have to actually be blackmailed...you can't even behave in a way that might invite blackmail. And, that’s as it should be, for obvious reasons.

I had a security clearance...aside from the need to pee in a cup and pay my bills on time...very little else was expected. I had access to info you couldn't even imagine...and everyday...in every way...I kept true to serving all of you and keeping my mouth shut unless there was a business need to speak. They used to send me to hacking classes...I hung out with the guys who make real mischief and they taught me a lot. And I taught them nada. Life in the grey zone was very interesting. My moral compass had zero influence from Mr. Jolly. I was more than happy to share with my bosses the details about my life. My problems with bosses only started when a certain supervisor was using his sexual needs to pressure younger female employees. I was pretty quick to call him out on it and he was pretty quick to deep 6 my career. Such is life. At least - as of now, the girls are OK and I'm moving down to TV to enjoy the good life.

[Skybo]

I had a security clearance...aside from the need to pee in a cup and pay my bills on time...very little else was expected. I had access to info you couldn't even imagine...and everyday...in every way...I kept true to serving all of you and keeping my mouth shut unless there was a business need to speak. They used to send me to hacking classes...I hung out with the guys who make real mischief and they taught me a lot. And I taught them nada. Life in the grey zone was very interesting. My moral compass had zero influence from Mr. Jolly. I was more than happy to share with my bosses the details about my life. My problems with bosses only started when a certain supervisor was using his sexual needs to pressure younger female employees. I was pretty quick to call him out on it and he was pretty quick to deep 6 my career. Such is life. At least - as of now, the girls are OK and I'm moving down to TV to enjoy the good life.

General Petraeus, is that you?

[Geewiz]

Naw - just your basic systems security anti-fraud fed. Not so special...but, more knowledgeable than his bosses (not that this was much a reach). On the upside - for a non-law and order guy there are plenty of folks in Fed supplied housing behind razor wire because they thought no one could suss out their little games. Stupid crooks kinda make my day. Meet me at Katie Belle's and I could share some fun stories about foolish thieves. And remember - it was your money they were ripping off.

[Geewiz]

Today's test....many folks getting federal benefits need to have their kids handle their funds. Sometimes those kids find a way to suppress the parents' death notice - so they keep collecting benefits for a dead parent. What's the "tell" that permits you to figure out the scam? A hint...what does a living 95 year old do that a dead one doesn't? The clock is ticking.

[jebartle]

I'm just saying...He should have known better...If I was trying to keep a secret, I sure would not put it in writing!


Actually he wasn't sending e-mails. He was using a little known hacker technique of sharing a g-mail account with a password known to those on the inside (in this case - the director and his lover) and storing the e-mails as drafts. Assuming the password is very complex...it's very hard to access unless you have access to the actual computers used to write to the accounts. Of course, now it's not so secret of a technique and wanna bet that lovers everywhere will start using it? Plus drug dealers...inside stock traders...and the occasional terrorist.

[Taltarzac725]

Today's test....many folks getting federal benefits need to have their kids handle their funds. Sometimes those kids find a way to suppress the parents' death notice - so they keep collecting benefits for a dead parent. What's the "tell" that permits you to figure out the scam? A hint...what does a living 95 year old do that a dead one doesn't? The clock is ticking.

Pay taxes. Buy groceries. Buy gas.

[NotGolfer]

Sometimes folks with power think they're above all else and can't be touched.
Richard Nixon is an example of that I think. Put a person on a pedestal and they'll get knocked off, one way or another is another cliche that comes to mind with this thread.

[Jhooman]

He betrayed himself and his family. Reading history this type of behavior has been a norm for men in power. I'm not surprised, just very disappointed that he abused his position, hurt his family and country.

[perrjojo]

Today's Daily Sun article....Five Generals in trouble rock US military culture.
At least 5 current and former U.S. generals at the rank of one star or higher have been reprimanded or investigated for possible misconduct in the past two week.

[quirky3]

.....This is not a left or right thing...we (especially guys) are prone to have sex without commitment...it might not be a good thing...a "moral" thing...but, it happens. Handle it......

"We"? I am glad you are speaking for yourself there. I would guess that the majority of TOTV people (especially married people) do not have a tendency to have sex without commitment. And IMHO the best way to "handle it".... is NOT to "handle it"! :icon_wink: :duck:

[gomoho]

:agree: Geewiz I don't agree to "just handle it". Kids like to experiement with drugs should we "just handle it"? I don't think it is expecting too much for someone to honor their commitment and follow their own moral compass. Just 'cause you have an itch doesn't mean you have to scratch it.

[Taltarzac725]

Infidelity Statistics - Truth About Deception (http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/cheating-and-infidelity/stats-about-infidelity.html)

I have a lot more problems with Petraeus' sharing classified information than with his marital infidelity. That seems more of a problem between David Petraeus, Holly Petraeus and their kids.

We also do not seem to know that much about what kind of classified information the mistress/biographer had. A biographer would probably have access to some secrets that the rest of us would not.

[JeffAVEWS]

Today's test....many folks getting federal benefits need to have their kids handle their funds. Sometimes those kids find a way to suppress the parents' death notice - so they keep collecting benefits for a dead parent. What's the "tell" that permits you to figure out the scam? A hint...what does a living 95 year old do that a dead one doesn't? The clock is ticking.

This is tuff! I figure it would have to be something someone in a nursing home would do and something that can't be, or is neglected to be, done for them. A real puzzle.

[petiteone]

There is much more to this "story" still to come. General John Allen, Jill Kelly(and twin sister) and Kelly's wanna' be "diplomatic immunity"? Ah, the webs we weave. What were the generals thinking - on oh so many levels?! Paula/Petraeus - just one little part...........

[shcisamax]

I understand that Jill and immediate family came from Lebanon in the 70's? Although the Kelley's were considered Tampa "socialites" giving parties for politicians and generals, their house has been in foreclosure since 2010. These sort of facts, (if indeed they are facts) would give great concern.

[shcisamax]

From USA Today..not the most reliable but...

The Kelleys have had financial troubles for years.

In 2010, Regions bank brought a $1.8 million foreclosure suit and a $453,000 suit, while Bank of America sued for $25,000 in unpaid credit card charges, The Telegraph reports.

In 2011, Central Bank sued the Kelleys and Kelley Land Holdings over a three-story office building in downtown Tampa they owned, according to The Tampa Bay Times. The couple owed the bank nearly $2.2 million, including attorney fees, and a judge ordered the building sold.

Other suits include a debt case from Chase bank and a credit card case from FIA Card Services, according to reports.

Hillsborough County Court records show many of the lawsuits remain open and active.​

Despite money problems, Jill Kelley threw lavish parties including one where she was pictured in 2010 at her $1.2 million mansion with Petraeus.

[Mack184]

"We"? I am glad you are speaking for yourself there. I would guess that the majority of TOTV people (especially married people) do not have a tendency to have sex without commitment. And IMHO the best way to "handle it".... is NOT to "handle it"! :icon_wink: :duck:
It is interesting that you bring this up. When we told our doctor that we were moving to TV area the very first thing out of her mouth was.."Dear God! If you're going down there be sure to wear a body condom! Do you know that TV area has the highest number of new STD & HIV cases in the country?" No..we didn't know that. At work my wife ran a number of CDC reports that brought this statement to life. So apparently people in Florida's Friendliest Hometown are far more friendly than we thought. EEWWW!

I guess this also explains why a number of people on this board are willing to give the general a pass on his playtime.

[cologal]

It looks like the time has come to ban heterosexuals from the Armed Forces!

Now this is funny!!!

[mac9]

Gracie originally posted that adultery is not illegal. However, it is illegal in the following states: Mass, RI, NC, SC, FL, Kansas, NY, Virginia, Utah, Tenn, Missouri, Michigan, IL, GA, Colorado, Indiana, Maryland, Minn, Arizona, Mississippi, and The District of Columbia. It is rarely prosecuted, but the laws are still active.

[2BNTV]

From everything I have read so far, "Petraeus didn't betray us".

His family. That's another story.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Today's test....many folks getting federal benefits need to have their kids handle their funds. Sometimes those kids find a way to suppress the parents' death notice - so they keep collecting benefits for a dead parent. What's the "tell" that permits you to figure out the scam? A hint...what does a living 95 year old do that a dead one doesn't? The clock is ticking.

Go to the Doctor Go to the pharmacy File a tax return

[Patty55]

Today's test....many folks getting federal benefits need to have their kids handle their funds. Sometimes those kids find a way to suppress the parents' death notice - so they keep collecting benefits for a dead parent. What's the "tell" that permits you to figure out the scam? A hint...what does a living 95 year old do that a dead one doesn't? The clock is ticking.

The real living one dies.

[Patty55]

From USA Today..not the most reliable but...

The Kelleys have had financial troubles for years.

In 2010, Regions bank brought a $1.8 million foreclosure suit and a $453,000 suit, while Bank of America sued for $25,000 in unpaid credit card charges, The Telegraph reports.

In 2011, Central Bank sued the Kelleys and Kelley Land Holdings over a three-story office building in downtown Tampa they owned, according to The Tampa Bay Times. The couple owed the bank nearly $2.2 million, including attorney fees, and a judge ordered the building sold.

Other suits include a debt case from Chase bank and a credit card case from FIA Card Services, according to reports.

Hillsborough County Court records show many of the lawsuits remain open and active.​

Despite money problems, Jill Kelley threw lavish parties including one where she was pictured in 2010 at her $1.2 million mansion with Petraeus.

Jill Kelley's husband is a Doctor, they opened a questionable "charity" (in 2005?) disolved it in 2007(?).

What a bunch of BUNKIES.(IMO)

[perrjojo]

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

[Taltarzac725]

From everything I have read so far, "Petraeus didn't betray us".

His family. That's another story.

So far, I agree. Just do not see it in General Petraeus to betray his country. His wife and family, yes.

[NotGolfer]

We're to believe "everything" we read? Particularily the internet! Just to put another spin on this whole thread.

I do wish we had the freedom to interject some political statements...w/o getting nasty.

[Villages PL]

PLEASE - that is just plain stupid and denegrating to all of us as human beings. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

It can't be that stupid because after I posted my comment, which was just my observation, I heard it being discussed seriously on a national talk show. And some of the guests discussing this were women who agreed that she was somewhat lacking in appearance.

[Villages PL]

You really can't be serious! What does his wife's looks have to do with his cheating? He wears a hairpiece and certainly looks his age...what do you find so attractive?

Did you read the part where I said, "this may or may not have anything to do with this subject"? Also, I didn't say he was attractive. I said he was fit and trim and young looking.

Also, as I have said before, after I posted, I heard a panel of intellectuals discusing this very thing on a national program. The discussion touched on various aspects, not just their looks.

[Villages PL]

"We"? I am glad you are speaking for yourself there. I would guess that the majority of TOTV people (especially married people) do not have a tendency to have sex without commitment. And IMHO the best way to "handle it".... is NOT to "handle it"! :icon_wink: :duck:

Quirky, I agree. But, you know, there are those who would say, "All things in moderation." Does anyone think it applies only to food? :)

[Villages PL]

Villages PL don't dig your hole any deeper. Pray it just goes away the way our POTUS handles most things.

There's no hole to dig deeper. The deepness of the hole is in the eye of the beholder.

What does POTUS stand for?

[janmcn]

NBC Evening News just reported that the CIA is now investigating General Petraeaus, to see if he used any CIA resources while conducting an affair with Paula Broadwell. They also showed a videotape of the two of them together at a formal event in Washington on Oct 20 something. That's like only three weeks ago.

Petraeaus will testify tomorrow (Friday) on the Benghazi incident before a closed session of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

POTUS = President of the United States

Bill :)

[gomoho]

Quirky, I agree. But, you know, there are those who would say, "All things in moderation." Does anyone think it applies only to food? :)

Okay - not only are you digging a deeper hole - you are know throwing dirt on yourself. Give it up already. So his wife is not attractive so maybe it isn't so bad he strayed, and now it's okay if it's in moderation!!!! :boxing2:

[janmcn]

Okay - not only are you digging a deeper hole - you are know throwing dirt on yourself. Give it up already. So his wife is not attractive so maybe it isn't so bad he strayed, and now it's okay if it's in moderation!!!! :boxing2:

When Holly Petraeus' attorney gets done with the general, she will have all the money she needs to improve her appearance. Hopefully, she has already thrown all his uniforms to the curb. Petraeus will be lucky if he gets to keep his hairpiece. Talk about having a bad week.

[graciegirl]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

Boy Howdy.

Kinda like John Edwards? Nice looking man and fit too, but of course his wife didn't look too good, the chemo and all.......

Dear heavens, what a thing to say...that we can excuse Petraeus for straying because his wife began to look her age????

[TOTV Team]

Please keep comments directed at the topic and not political.

[ilovetv]

It is interesting that you bring this up. When we told our doctor that we were moving to TV area the very first thing out of her mouth was.."Dear God! If you're going down there be sure to wear a body condom! Do you know that TV area has the highest number of new STD & HIV cases in the country?" No..we didn't know that. At work my wife ran a number of CDC reports that brought this statement to life. So apparently people in Florida's Friendliest Hometown are far more friendly than we thought. EEWWW!

I guess this also explains why a number of people on this board are willing to give the general a pass on his playtime.

This is ridiculous. You say you are married (referring to "my wife"). So the expectation from your doctor is that you will move and have sex with strangers????? Not a very realistic assessment, unless you do plan to have sex with strangers in TV.

Getting back to the subject, Petraeus, "the affair" is not the issue, to me. His wife and most wives know when their husband is a horndog that drools over anything female that walks by on the street, and many ignore it.

The top intelligence officer of the nation making himself subject to blackmail and stealing of highly classified intelligence, and then the powers-that-be allowing this national security risk to continue until "the you-know-what" is over, is the issue.

[silvertoken]

Graciegirl, Graciegirl, Graciegirl !!! Im just saying......lol, what a subject!!!

[graciegirl]

Graciegirl, Graciegirl, Graciegirl !!! Im just saying......lol, what a subject!!!

Did you think I was serious that anyone should use lack of looks as a reason to cheat on their wife ......that their wife did not look like she did when she was younger????????

You didn't think I meant that...I hope? It is the same awful thing to cheat on a wife like John Edwards did....Awful.Awful.Awful. Who could say that that was a decent thing to do? It isn't love the way I know it.

AND Ilovetv is right. That isn't the issue. The issue is that when this was all happening, what else was happening? Something just doesn't smell right.

[Geewiz]

Go to the Doctor Go to the pharmacy File a tax return

Very close...living 85 year olds file Medicare claims...dead ones don't. An easy computer match. Why they could figure this out years ago is beyond me...that one little fix got a whole bunch of folks in prison.

So the mod doesn't hate me...I agree with everyone on Gracie's original post. Is that pandering too obvious?

[uujudy]

And on a lighter note :icon_wink:

"If you're head of the CIA & can't hide your mistress from your wife it means it can't be done. Case closed. Sorry fellas."
~ Chris Rock 'Oz'‏@chrisrockozfan

[silvertoken]

Be rest assured that there are remedies to screen individuals who perform these acts. Such as drug testing to get a job they have come up with items such as this: Catch a Cheating Spouse w/ Semen Detection - SemenSPY - FOX NEWS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SwP0ddFepTA#)!

[Bucco]

Did you think I was serious that anyone should use lack of looks as a reason to cheat on their wife ......that their wife did not look like she did when she was younger????????

You didn't think I meant that...I hope? It is the same awful thing to cheat on a wife like John Edwards did....Awful.Awful.Awful. Who could say that that was a decent thing to do? It isn't love the way I know it.

AND Ilovetv is right. That isn't the issue. The issue is that when this was all happening, what else was happening? Something just doesn't smell right.

Well, one of the best witness's to Benghazi and what REALLY happened has had his reputation discredited when all on the General was known in the summer ???

[coralway]

Pat Robertson Justifies Petraeus Affair: ‘Here (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/pat-robertson-justifies-petraeus-affair-here%E2%80%99s-a-good-looking-lady-throwing-herself-at-him/)

[Mack184]

This is ridiculous. You say you are married (referring to "my wife"). So the expectation from your doctor is that you will move and have sex with strangers????? Not a very realistic assessment, unless you do plan to have sex with strangers in TV.

Getting back to the subject, Petraeus, "the affair" is not the issue, to me. His wife and most wives know when their husband is a horndog that drools over anything female that walks by on the street, and many ignore it.

The top intelligence officer of the nation making himself subject to blackmail and stealing of highly classified intelligence, and then the powers-that-be allowing this national security risk to continue until "the you-know-what" is over, is the issue.
My point of the entire post is that there seem to be a lot of people on this board who want to give the general a pass for his dishonest, immoral behavior. I am guessing that the reason for this is that a great many people in TV appear to be having a lot of risky out-of-marriage sex based on what our doctor told us, and the CDC reports my wife checked out. Since this sort of behavior seems OK with a number of people in TV, then I guess their view is that it's OK for the general.

[ilovetv]

My point of the entire post is that there seem to be a lot of people on this board who want to give the general a pass for his dishonest, immoral behavior. I am guessing that the reason for this is that a great many people in TV appear to be having a lot of risky out-of-marriage sex based on what our doctor told us, and the CDC reports my wife checked out. Since this sort of behavior seems OK with a number of people in TV, then I guess their view is that it's OK for the general.

"Appear to". Nice job of stereotyping 90,000 of the best neighbors you'll ever have.

As for Petraeus, I don't think many here are condoning his selfish, immature affair. The point is that his wife and God will deal with those sins. But our nation must deal with the distinct blackmail and enemy espionage possibilities he caused....having been likely shoved under the rug, endangering our military and citizenry, until after the you-know-what was over.

[Mack184]

"Appear to". Nice job of stereotyping 90,000 of the best neighbors you'll ever have.

As for Petraeus, I don't think many here are condoning his selfish, immature affair. The point is that his wife and God will deal with those sins. But our nation must deal with the distinct blackmail and enemy espionage possibilities he caused....having been likely shoved under the rug, endangering our military and citizenry, until after the you-know-what was over.
OK..Let's get on with the facts. The seriousness of the STD & HIV outbreaks in TV has been documented as fact by the state of Florida & the federal CDC. It has been extensively reported on by the following: Orlando TV-6, WFTV, CBS Television Network, The Orlando Sentinel, USA Today, FreeRepublic.com, The Huffington Post and city-data.com to mention a few. A simple google search will turn this up.

It's not a matter of "appeared to be" or conjecture, it's true. The facts back it up.

[quirky3]

OK..Let's get on with the facts. The seriousness of the STD & HIV outbreaks in TV has been documented as fact by the state of Florida & the federal CDC. It has been extensively reported on by the following: Orlando TV-6, WFTV, CBS Television Network, The Orlando Sentinel, USA Today, FreeRepublic.com, The Huffington Post and city-data.com to mention a few. A simple google search will turn this up.

It's not a matter of "appeared to be" or conjecture, it's true. The facts back it up.

This was discussed extensively over the past few years, especially after the publication of "Leisureville". First, please provide the CDC reports and statistics that prove your point. Secondly, I remember seeing reports (I don't remember the source though) that showed it was actually the percent increase over time that was high, not the actual number of cases within the population. It was the increase from around the year 2000 to the year 2006, and it went from something like 50 cases to 100 cases in all of The Villages (population 80,000). So while you could say the number of cases doubled and make it sound alarming, it was actually about one-tenth of one percent of the population. So it depends on your perspective. But please do share those CDC reports.

[Mack184]

This was discussed extensively over the past few years, especially after the publication of "Leisureville". First, please provide the reports and statistics that prove your point. Secondly, I remember seeing reports (I don't remember the source though) that showed it was actually the percent increase over time that was high, not the actual number of cases within the population. It was the increase from around the year 2000 to the year 2006, and it went from something like 50 cases to 100 cases in all of The Villages (population 80,000). So while you could say the number of cases doubled and make it sound alarming, it was actually about one-tenth of one percent of the population. So it depends on your perspective. But please do share those reports.
What do you mean share the reports? I just did. I named the sources. As I said a simple google check is all that is needed to read any of those sources that I have named. The bottom line is that there is a lot of risky sexual activity going on in TV area, and again, I think that points to why people are so wiling to give the general a pass on his dishonest & immoral behavior.

[Barefoot]

OK..Let's get on with the facts. The seriousness of the STD & HIV outbreaks in TV has been documented as fact by the state of Florida & the federal CDC. It has been extensively reported on by the following: Orlando TV-6, WFTV, CBS Television Network, The Orlando Sentinel, USA Today, FreeRepublic.com, The Huffington Post and city-data.com to mention a few. A simple google search will turn this up. It's not a matter of "appeared to be" or conjecture, it's true. The facts back it up.

I don't think these statistics are related to the topic at hand.

[Golfingnut]

I would say the primary reason I will never stray is the love and respect I have for my wife. Without that, rules, my job, moral standards religious beliefs etc. etc. are always present and respected, but none hold the weight of the pain I would cause my wife if I were caught up in this type of thing and that keeps me on the straight more than anything else.

[Patty55]

This is the sort of thing that concerns me, I couldn't care less who is poking who.

CIA denies it detained militants in Benghazi - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548494/cia-denies-it-detained-militants-in-benghazi/)

Was Broadwell there in some sort of official capacity, or did she get her info through pillow talk?

[Golfingnut]

This is the sort of thing that concerns me, I couldn't care less who is poking who.

CIA denies it detained militants in Benghazi - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548494/cia-denies-it-detained-militants-in-benghazi/)

Was Broadwell there in some sort of official capacity, or did she get her info through pillow talk?

I agree with you. We have more important issues to address than the infidelity of a husband. Give the information to his wife and forget it.

[Taltarzac725]

This is the sort of thing that concerns me, I couldn't care less who is poking who.

CIA denies it detained militants in Benghazi - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548494/cia-denies-it-detained-militants-in-benghazi/)

Was Broadwell there in some sort of official capacity, or did she get her info through pillow talk?

I would wait until more facts come to light. I know that sometimes they never do but there seem to be too many spotlights on this for any kind of creative cover-up. Fox News and those Benghazi detainees - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/fox-news-and-those-benghazi-detainees/2012/11/14/540522a0-2e68-11e2-89d4-040c9330702a_blog.html)

[ilovetv]

What do you mean share the reports? I just did. I named the sources. As I said a simple google check is all that is needed to read any of those sources that I have named. The bottom line is that there is a lot of risky sexual activity going on in TV area, and again, I think that points to why people are so wiling to give the general a pass on his dishonest & immoral behavior.

As usual, context gives a more accurate perspective.....

"....For instance, in Arizona's Maricopa and Pima counties - home to large retirement communities just outside Phoenix - the percent of reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia increased twice as fast as the national average from 2005 to 2009. Reported cases were up 87 percent among those 55 and older in those counties.

In Central Florida, where The Villages and other retirement communities sprawl across several counties, reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia increased 71 percent among those 55 and older in that same period. And South Florida saw a 60 percent rise in those two sexually transmitted infections among the same age group, according to the Florida Department of Health.

In Riverside County, Calif., home to retirement Mecca Palm Springs, reported cases were up 50 percent over the five-year span, according to data from that county's health department. The reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia among older adults outpaced the nation's average, according to the analysis.

Among all age groups nationwide, reported cases of syphilis increased 60 percent between 2005 and 2009, while in the 55 to 64 age group it increased 70 percent. Meanwhile, the incidences of chlamydia rose 27 percent among all ages, and double that among those age 55 to 64.

Read more at: Seniors' sex lives are up -- and so are STD cases (http://phys.org/news/2011-05-seniors-sex-std-cases.html#jCp)

[perrjojo]

As usual, context gives a more accurate perspective.....

"....For instance, in Arizona's Maricopa and Pima counties - home to large retirement communities just outside Phoenix - the percent of reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia increased twice as fast as the national average from 2005 to 2009. Reported cases were up 87 percent among those 55 and older in those counties.

In Central Florida, where The Villages and other retirement communities sprawl across several counties, reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia increased 71 percent among those 55 and older in that same period. And South Florida saw a 60 percent rise in those two sexually transmitted infections among the same age group, according to the Florida Department of Health.

In Riverside County, Calif., home to retirement Mecca Palm Springs, reported cases were up 50 percent over the five-year span, according to data from that county's health department. The reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia among older adults outpaced the nation's average, according to the analysis.

Among all age groups nationwide, reported cases of syphilis increased 60 percent between 2005 and 2009, while in the 55 to 64 age group it increased 70 percent. Meanwhile, the incidences of chlamydia rose 27 percent among all ages, and double that among those age 55 to 64.

Read more at: Seniors' sex lives are up -- and so are STD cases (http://phys.org/news/2011-05-seniors-sex-std-cases.html#jCp)

This may be interesting information to some but I can't see that it has anything to do with the OP.

[ilovetv]

This may be interesting information to some but I can't see that it has anything to do with the OP.

The assertion made was that many people here are trying to excuse Petraeus from his adultery because those who give him a pass are doing it themselves. I replied with the national-level rates quoted, to thwart the denigration of our neighbors/friends here in TV.

ON the topic, others of us want to focus on how national security--knowingly compromised--may well have been kept under the rug for the sake of campaigning.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I agree with you. We have more important issues to address than the infidelity of a husband. Give the information to his wife and forget it.

Keep in mind this isn't just any old husband. This is or I should say was the director of the CIA. What if this had been a spy from China - Russia or name your country. What if it turns out his affair led to classified information leaking? If he will cheat on what should be the most holy and trustworthy relationship of his life how can he be trusted with the secrets of our country. If he is not trustworthy in one area he is not trustworthy in any contex

[Mack184]

Keep in mind this isn't just any old husband. This is or I should say was the director of the CIA. What if this had been a spy from China - Russia or name your country. What if it turns out his affair led to classified information leaking? If he will cheat on what should be the most holy and trustworthy relationship of his life how can he be trusted with the secrets of our country. If he is not trustworthy in one area he is not trustworthy in any contex
Amen! Amen!! & AMEN!!!!

[Villages PL]

POTUS = President of the United States

Bill :)

Thanks, Bill.

P.S. Are you sure the "P" doesn't stand for... :popcorn: :D

[buggyone]

Thanks, Bill.

P.S. Are you sure the "P" doesn't stand for... :popcorn: :D

Smile all you want with your witticism. The "P" is YOUR PRESIDENT. Show respect, please.

[janmcn]

The assertion made was that many people here are trying to excuse Petraeus from his adultery because those who give him a pass are doing it themselves. I replied with the national-level rates quoted, to thwart the denigration of our neighbors/friends here in TV.

ON the topic, others of us want to focus on how national security--knowingly compromised--may well have been kept under the rug for the sake of campaigning.

The FBI has repeatedly said the White House was never advised of the Petraeus investigation because national security was never compromised. You are saying "national security---knowingly compromised--may well have been kept under the rug for the sake of campaigning". What do you know that the FBI doesn't know, and why didn't Rep Eric Cantor advise the White House when he was made aware of this information two weeks before the election?

[BarryRX]

President Obama is about to pardon a turkey for Thanksgiving. So, the real question is "what does the turkey know about Benghazi"?

[Bucco]

The FBI has repeatedly said the White House was never advised of the Petraeus investigation because national security was never compromised. You are saying "national security---knowingly compromised--may well have been kept under the rug for the sake of campaigning". What do you know that the FBI doesn't know, and why didn't Rep Eric Cantor advise the White House when he was made aware of this information two weeks before the election?

I applaud Cantor for not making this a political issue. When notified of the investigation, he went directly to the DIRECTOR of the FBI to insure that he was aware of this.

It does not appear to be Cantors job to advise the WH of what the FBI is doing or not doing, as he is not privy to all the facts, but checking the validity before making it a political football seems to be the right course of action.

And Cantor was not alone by the way.....he did NOT make this a political football an that I applaud

[Bucco]

I would wait until more facts come to light. I know that sometimes they never do but there seem to be too many spotlights on this for any kind of creative cover-up. Fox News and those Benghazi detainees - Erik Wemple - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/fox-news-and-those-benghazi-detainees/2012/11/14/540522a0-2e68-11e2-89d4-040c9330702a_blog.html)

FACTS coming to light does seem to be a problem lately does it not

Shame but watching the news gets you NO news.....just a lot of questions and nobody wants to take the time to inform us !

[Bucco]

President Obama is about to pardon a turkey for Thanksgiving. So, the real question is "what does the turkey know about Benghazi"?


You will just have to guess or look through the "transparencies" !!

I have given up on watching or reading the news because nobody answers any questions !!

[Mack184]

As usual, context gives a more accurate perspective.....

"....For instance, in Arizona's Maricopa and Pima counties - home to large retirement communities just outside Phoenix - the percent of reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia increased twice as fast as the national average from 2005 to 2009. Reported cases were up 87 percent among those 55 and older in those counties.

In Central Florida, where The Villages and other retirement communities sprawl across several counties, reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia increased 71 percent among those 55 and older in that same period. And South Florida saw a 60 percent rise in those two sexually transmitted infections among the same age group, according to the Florida Department of Health.

In Riverside County, Calif., home to retirement Mecca Palm Springs, reported cases were up 50 percent over the five-year span, according to data from that county's health department. The reported cases of syphilis and chlamydia among older adults outpaced the nation's average, according to the analysis.

Among all age groups nationwide, reported cases of syphilis increased 60 percent between 2005 and 2009, while in the 55 to 64 age group it increased 70 percent. Meanwhile, the incidences of chlamydia rose 27 percent among all ages, and double that among those age 55 to 64.

Read more at: Seniors' sex lives are up -- and so are STD cases (http://phys.org/news/2011-05-seniors-sex-std-cases.html#jCp)
Your "context" only goes to prove my point and expands my point to show that this travesty is not only bad in TV, but in many other 55+ communities as well. So sad. Thanks for proving my point!

[ilovetv]

Your "context" only goes to prove my point and expands my point to show that this travesty is not only bad in TV, but in many other 55+ communities as well. So sad. Thanks for proving my point!

The context I provided shows that in TV, the rate of increase was almost the same (71%) as the national rate (70%). In other words TV is about the same as the rest of the nation for this age group, and the claims against TV are exagerrated.

[gomoho]

So now we learn the General thought Bengazi was a terrorist attack from the beginning and the original CIA talking points said as much. BUT, somewhere down the line someone changed the wording in the talking points to eliminate "terrorist attack" because of classified information. Petraeus said he doesn't think this was changed for polictical reasons, but can we believe him now that we know he cheats?

[Taltarzac725]

So now we learn the General thought Bengazi was a terrorist attack from the beginning and the original CIA talking points said as much. BUT, somewhere down the line someone changed the wording in the talking points to eliminate "terrorist attack" because of classified information. Petraeus said he doesn't think this was changed for polictical reasons, but can we believe him now that we know he cheats?

He fell in love with his biographer and acting on those emotions. That is a far cry now to say that he would do something that sounds treasonous. Doing something like leaking sensitive classified would go against his education and career history.

[BarryRX]

Was this a love triangle or more of a love pentagon?

[quirky3]

Love is keeping your marriage vows in good times and in bad. I don't see love in this series of events.

[ilovetv]

He fell in love with his biographer and acting on those emotions. That is a far cry now to say that he would do something that sounds treasonous. Doing something like leaking sensitive classified would go against his education and career history.

I don't think Petraeus is the one people suspect for doing something "treasonous" or leaking sensitive, classified information. I think people are seeing how easily he became weakened and subject to blackmail and theft of information he has in his living quarters and computer, etc. To me it's mind-boggling that he and the home-wrecker thought they could keep secrets via gmail!!!

[2BNTV]

He fell in love with his biographer and acting on those emotions. That is a far cry now to say that he would do something that sounds treasonous. Doing something like leaking sensitive classified would go against his education and career history.

I agree these are two separate issues.

He definitely went way over the line in his affair with Broadwell.

I don't think he compromised national security.

Where it is murky for me is, who gave Broadwell enough security clearance to view sensitive documents that were found on her computer.

I hope they get to the bottom of this.

[Patty55]

I agree these are two separate issues.

He definitely went way over the line in his affair with Broadwell.

I don't think he compromised national security.

Where it is murky for me is, who gave Broadwell enough security clearance to view sensitive documents that were found on her computer.

I hope they get to the bottom of this.

And, why did Broadwell announce in Denver that the CIA kept detainees in the compound in Libya?

And, why the attack blamed on a youtube video when THEY knew that wasn't true?

[graciegirl]

And, why did Broadwell announce in Denver that the CIA kept detainees in the compound in Libya?

And, why the attack blamed on a youtube video when THEY knew that wasn't true?

You know...that you tube video just seemed so implausible a reason and I kept thinking..how could that cause these terrible things........

They showed the man who made it arrested and that didn't make a lot of sense.

[Patty55]

And, I don't know what to make of the "coincidence" that Broadwell uses the same law firm as Lewinsky.

[ilovetv]

And, I don't know what to make of the "coincidence" that Broadwell uses the same law firm as Lewinsky.

Well one fishy "coincidence" in that would be that Broadwell, like Lewinsky, has enough money (or somebody else's money) to be able to afford a retainer like that.

Somebody is paying for this.

[ilovetv]

This ABC News article and video is very interesting.....

Paula Broadwell Stars in Gun Commercial (for high-tech gun manufacturer seeking military contracts)

"Watchdog groups say it is that last assignment -- promoting a futuristic-looking, high-tech gun for a company that may have been trying to catch the eye of military purchasing officials -- that they find troubling...."

Petraeus Scandal: Paula Broadwell Stars in Gun Commercial - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/petraeus-scandal-paula-broadwell-stars-gun-commercial/story?id=17732753#.UKb7uo7Rw7A)

[Cantwaittoarrive]

He fell in love with his biographer and acting on those emotions. That is a far cry now to say that he would do something that sounds treasonous. Doing something like leaking sensitive classified would go against his education and career history.

I think the correct word is he fell in "lust" with his biographer. Love would have been him saying, I love myself enough that I deserve better than an affair, Love would have been him saying I love and committed to my wife and she deserves better than this, Love would of been him saying to his biographer I love you as a person and you deserve someone better than a man that would cheat on his wife. Love would have been him saying to his biographer I love you as a person and want whats best for you, your husband and kids deserve better than an affair. Love would have been making the hard choices not the easy ones. Lust is exactly what he did. If he can't make the hard choices in his life, how do we know "leaking sensitive classified material would go against his education and career history"? He's proved he will cheat to get what he wants, what makes his career any different. Does anyone think while he carried on his affair his mind was on his job?? the way it would have been if he was busy being faithful to his wife? So yes he betrayed the citizens of the USA, at the min. we didn't get the benifit of his attention to his job

[Bucco]

I think the correct word is he fell in "lust" with his biographer. Love would have been him saying, I love myself enough that I deserve better than an affair, Love would have been him saying I love and committed to my wife and she deserves better than this, Love would of been him saying to his biographer I love you as a person and you deserve someone better than a man that would cheat on his wife. Love would have been him saying to his biographer I love you as a person and want whats best for you, your husband and kids deserve better than an affair. Love would have been making the hard choices not the easy ones. Lust is exactly what he did. If he can't make the hard choices in his life, how do we know "leaking sensitive classified material would go against his education and career history"? He's proved he will cheat to get what he wants, what makes his career any different. Does anyone think while he carried on his affair his mind was on his job?? the way it would have been if he was busy being faithful to his wife? So yes he betrayed the citizens of the USA, at the min. we didn't get the benifit of his attention to his job

Keep in mind, and this does not defend any of his actions, that many great Americans has the same shortcomings and had an affair. Eisenhower, Kennedy, FDR, and so on. Surely there are many many more, but these had longstanding affairs in an entirely different time in history.

Having an affair does not equate to betrayal of your country...of your spouse, ABSOLUTELY, but do not paint with such a broad brush !!

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Keep in mind, and this does not defend any of his actions, that many great Americans has the same shortcomings and had an affair. Eisenhower, Kennedy, FDR, and so on. Surely there are many many more, but these had longstanding affairs in an entirely different time in history.

Having an affair does not equate to betrayal of your country...of your spouse, ABSOLUTELY, but do not paint with such a broad brush !!

In my view to part of being a "great american" starts by being a great person. The people you mentioned might or might not be good presidents but that doesn't make them "great americans" I can be good at my job or good at golf doesn't make me a "great american" the people you mentioned were people that ran for president and won, that means they had ego's big enough that they thought they had the answers for the country, that means they were good at wheeling and dealing, that means they worked hard to get what they wanted. The fact that they had affairs also showed they would compromise themselves to "feel good". just because they were elected president doesn't make them "great americans" and I would argure that the ones you mentioned left a lot to be desired as americans and as men

[Bucco]

In my view to part of being a "great american" starts by being a great person. The people you mentioned might or might not be good presidents but that doesn't make them "great americans" I can be good at my job or good at golf doesn't make me a "great american" the people you mentioned were people that ran for president and won, that means they had ego's big enough that they thought they had the answers for the country, that means they were good at wheeling and dealing, that means they worked hard to get what they wanted. The fact that they had affairs also showed they would compromise themselves to "feel good". just because they were elected president doesn't make them "great americans" and I would argure that the ones you mentioned left a lot to be desired as americans and as men

Your point is well taken and I can understand that feeling and again, my note was in no way meant to defend any of these actions.

I might add that Eisenhower sort of was outside your boundaries, but again, your point is well taken.

I am just of the opinion that God never made anyone perfect and NONE of us would like folks to know what weakness we succumbed to during our life.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Your point is well taken and I can understand that feeling and again, my note was in no way meant to defend any of these actions.

I might add that Eisenhower sort of was outside your boundaries, but again, your point is well taken.

I am just of the opinion that God never made anyone perfect and NONE of us would like folks to know what weakness we succumbed to during our life.

On this we agree none are perfect, but we owe it to God and ourselves to strive to be as perfect as his strength allows and of course King David is a perfect example of short coming of the flesh. David betrayed God and his country (he affected a battle) when he had his affair

[rubicon]

Petraeus began his affair before becoming CIA Director which means he must have lied when going through the vetting process. His critical position had many people depending on him for their very lives. The affair with Broadwell was really very poor judgment and certainly lack good leadership.
It was exacerbated with his relationship with Kelly, a relationship that still is largely unknown.

I expect, heck demand that my leaders exhibit extraordianry restraint in such matters. I had no respect for Kennedy, Eisenhower, Clinton, etc not because they had the affairs but because they were weak shown vulnerablity and underwent such submissions.

Unlike Eisenhower Patraeus like to show of all of his fruit salad (medals, etc) . I suspect that is akin to the things they say about guys who need to drive red sports cars.

One would have to be naive to beleieve that knowledge of his affairs was not used as leverage in th Benghazi incident.

[janmcn]

The fact that General Petraeus lied when he accepted the job as CIA director shows that he has total disrepect for the president that nominated him for the job...no respect for his wife, no respect for the president. Good ridance to bad rubbish. And to think he was mentioned as a possible presidential candidate, and now he ends up on the pile of rubbish with other philanderers.

Hopefully, his wife will kick him out and he can go hike the Appalachin Trail.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

The fact that General Petraeus lied when he accepted the job as CIA director shows that he has total disrepect for the president that nominated him for the job...no respect for his wife, no respect for the president. Good ridance to bad rubbish. And to think he was mentioned as a possible presidential candidate, and now he ends up on the pile of rubbish with other philanderers.

Hopefully, his wife will kick him out and he can go hike the Appalachin Trail.

:agree:

[Bucco]

I would certainly welcome dismissing from any public service anyone who lied, but that would frankly leave a large unfillable void in Washington. Start at the top of the government and work your way down to the bottom and find me someone who is without sin....YOU CANNOT.

I am interested in honesty, believe me...I oppose anyone with great vigor who I think is a liar. But those of you without sin, who are making these judgements certainly must have no imperfections.

Do I believe that once "caught" there needs to be consequences...YES, but let us apply that across the board to any and all. No need to list all the lies our leaders have knowingly told us in the name of politics, etc and the wrath I hear here is/was absent.

Does he need to suffer the consequences....again, yes. But I am not going to be his judge as you folks want to be....especially based on what is going on in this country which is left with no consequences or even questions of character.

This story made great theater and that is what you are reacting to. If you mean what you are preaching, let us begin to clean out all those who have lied to us in order to get votes or anything they may want.

Or is adultry the only sin that gets your attention ?

[Patty55]

Here's my take on this, he's another WEINER thinking with the wrong part of his body, but when he testified this week I think he told the truth.

Broadwell wants a best seller. (IMO, not happening).

That Kelley is a lunatic.

I predict one day we'll see WEINER on Dancing With The Stars.

The wife is the only one with class and without her he probably would never reached the heights he did.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Here's my take on this, he's another WEINER thinking with the wrong part of his body, but when he testified this week I think he told the truth.

Broadwell wants a best seller. (IMO, not happening).

That Kelley is a lunatic.

I predict one day we'll see WEINER on Dancing With The Stars.

The wife is the only one with class and without her he probably would never reached the heights he did.

You are right! Unfortunately the wife is the wind beneath his wings when really she is the one that should be flying.... right out the door

[Patty55]

The wife has a new job.

Obama Administration Gave Petraeus's Wife a $187,605-Per-Year Job | CNS News (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-administration-gave-petraeuss-wife-187605-year-job)

[Bill-n-Brillo]

The wife has a new job.

Obama Administration Gave Petraeus's Wife a $187,605-Per-Year Job | CNS News (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-administration-gave-petraeuss-wife-187605-year-job)

I believe she's been in that job for a while.

Bill :)

[mickey100]

Yes, she's been Assistant Director of that agency for almost two years. Before that she was director of the Better Business Bureau’s Military Line, a program to provide consumer education and advocacy for service members, for six years. She graduated summa cum laude from Dickinson college. A very qualified lady.

[Bavarian]

The General was Head Central Inteligence Agency. He would have had to have had a security clearance. Having an affair made him open to blackmail and makes him ineligible for a security clearance and therefore, he could not hold the position.

I find it disturbing that this all came out long after it was known, how many agents were compromised by blackmailers.

[Bucco]

The General was Head Central Inteligence Agency. He would have had to have had a security clearance. Having an affair made him open to blackmail and makes him ineligible for a security clearance and therefore, he could not hold the position.

I find it disturbing that this all came out long after it was known, how many agents were compromised by blackmailers.

This FACT that you bring up goes with no notice by the press or anyone. The affair was known since mid summer (I have read anywhere from late June to early July items on it)

And it is very disturbing that the CIA head having an affair would be covered up as it was.

[Taltarzac725]

CIA director quits over affair | World | News | Barrie Examiner (http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2012/11/09/cia-director-david-petraeus-resigns)

[Bucco]

CIA director quits over affair | World | News | Barrie Examiner (http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/2012/11/09/cia-director-david-petraeus-resigns)

From the link supplied by TALTARZAC.....

"There were indications, however, that the affair was first uncovered a few months ago during an investigation by the FBI. A U.S. national security source said the FBI had stumbled across evidence of Petraeus’ affair during an apparently unrelated investigation of news leaks."

You never ever saw this in the Main Stream Media

What is happening and what has happened is pretty bad, but nothing much we can do about it.

[skyc6]

This might or might not have anything to do with the subject but I saw a picture of the General's wife. What a contrast! He has kept himself fit and trim and young looking while she seems to have done just the opposite.

Let's go with MIGHT NOT!!I don't care how fit and trim you think he is, he CHEATED on his wife!
His wife has spent her entire career working with and helping military families, and looks to be in good health! This is not about how many carbs he or she consumes. It is about trust and marriage vows!

Good nutrition does not give one a by as far as morality is concerned!

[Schaumburger]

Let's go with MIGHT NOT!!I don't care how fit and trim you think he is, he CHEATED on his wife!
His wife has spent her entire career working with and helping military families, and looks to be in good health! This is not about how many carbs he or she consumes. It is about trust and marriage vows!

Good nutrition does not give one a by as far as morality is concerned!

:BigApplause: :agree: 100%

[DaleMN]

Good to see some of the former political posters weigh in. Hope life is well for you all.

[Taltarzac725]

Good to see some of the former political posters weigh in. Hope life is well for you all.

Good to see you back, DaleMN.

[janmcn]

Good to see some of the former political posters weigh in. Hope life is well for you all.

Good to see you back DaleMN. Happy Thanksgiving. We have so much to be thankful for this year.

[Taltarzac725]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/us/petraeus-lies-low-and-ponders-his-next-move.html

[Patty55]

Petraeus Lies Low and Ponders His Next Move - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/us/petraeus-lies-low-and-ponders-his-next-move.html)

He's handling it well? Good for him, she's a better woman than me. I'd have him handling it from a new address.

[Bucco]

Funny stuff...FUNNY in a way.....he left because of an affair that the government knew about but didn't fire him, then they readily accepted his resignation (MONTHS after they knew), and today's news is suggesting he may be reappointed.

Don't you just wonder but it does sound like a plan.

[Patty55]

Funny stuff...FUNNY in a way.....he left because of an affair that the government knew about but didn't fire him, then they readily accepted his resignation (MONTHS after they knew), and today's news is suggesting he may be reappointed.

Don't you just wonder but it does sound like a plan.

Yeah, I'm always wondering about funny stuff, especially when I don't get it. Today I don't get what Holly Petreus' job has to do with Dodd-Frank. Anyone?

[robertj1954]

A very interesting thread. It showed there are differing opinions here in The Villages regardless of the subject. Even when cautioned about keeping it non-political, a few could not help themselves, that shows we are all human. Thank you Gracie for coming up with the thread. I enjoyed reading everyone's input to the subject.

Many excellent opinions were shared on this issue, The Villages has a wealth of experience and education, which makes the subject of this thread intriguing, and proves once again The Villages is America's premier home town.

I believe it is time for the country to move on and hopefully we continue to learn from our history and the nation becomes stronger from the lessons learned. I hope everyone is enjoying a great Thanksgiving Holiday with your families and friends.

[Bucco]

A very interesting thread. It showed there are differing opinions here in The Villages regardless of the subject. Even when cautioned about keeping it non-political, a few could not help themselves, that shows we are all human. Thank you Gracie for coming up with the thread. I enjoyed reading everyone's input to the subject.

Many excellent opinions were shared on this issue, The Villages has a wealth of experience and education, which makes the subject of this thread intriguing, and proves once again The Villages is America's premier home town.

I believe it is time for the country to move on and hopefully we continue to learn from our history and the nation becomes stronger from the lessons learned. I hope everyone is enjoying a great Thanksgiving Holiday with your families and friends.

Just a short note to comment on your "move on" comment.

Not sure what you mean, but just need to clarify...yep, you are correct, move on is exactly what we should do, HOWEVER I sincerely hope you didnt mean..just shut up and take it (whatever the issue and to whomever it is addressed). We do not elect dictators with in the WH or the House or Senate, and hopefully your comment was not mean to stifle disussion or disagreement on direction.

[DaleMN]

Good to see you back DaleMN. Happy Thanksgiving. We have so much to be thankful for this year.

I couldn't agree with you more. :icon_wink:

[PPreu]

The Bible is VERY clear on whom we should be picking as leaders. Unfortunately it's no longer fashionable to follow the word of God, and hold people to those standards since it might just interrupt our fun times. The time is coming where we will be VERY, VERY sorry that we did not follow his word. Of course by that time it will be very much too late.

That assumes one believes in God, or, as your post suggests, YOUR God. In a country that was founded on religious freedom, it is also each and every person's fundamental right to NOT practice religion.

Most wars are fought with the "my God is better than your God" doctrine as its basis.

On a personal note, I choose to keep my own beliefs private.

[wendyquat]

Just a short note to comment on your "move on" comment.

Not sure what you mean, but just need to clarify...yep, you are correct, move on is exactly what we should do, HOWEVER I sincerely hope you didnt mean..just shut up and take it (whatever the issue and to whomever it is addressed). We do not elect dictators with in the WH or the House or Senate, and hopefully your comment was not mean to stifle disussion or disagreement on direction.

:agree: What Bucco said!