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senior citizen
12-19-2012, 07:05 AM
Antidepressant medication and adolescent suicide risk: all drugs are created equal. - Child Psychology and Parenting Blog: Child-Psych.org (http://www.child-psych.org/2010/05/antidepressant-medication-and-adolescent-suicide-risk-all-drugs-are-created-equal.html)


If one keeps scrolling down, the list is endless..........to include:


Celexa


Prozac


Luvox


Paxil


Zoloft


Effexor


etc.

senior citizen
12-19-2012, 08:07 AM
"The rise in gratuitious and murderous violence committed by youth is a tragic phenomenon. Psychiatrists continue to sell the wrong causes, from mental illness and poverty to broken families and genetic makeup (none of which can be cured), yet the psychiatric drugs can themselves cause violence."

A litany of research on the history of psychotropic drugs......

A 1975 Canadian study researching the effects of psychiatric drugs on prisoners discovered that violent, aggressive incidents occurred significantly more frequently in inmates who were on psychotropic medication than when these inmates were not on psychotropic drugs.

In 1997, The Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law published data on how the typical patient in prison is a 19 year old with a history of substance abuse or a multi drug habit. All patients in the study had been treated with psychotropic drugs, and in this population there was a high incidence of expression of aggression.

These are side effects that psychiatrists go to great lengths to ignore or deny. However, there are now international warnings and studies showing these drugs cause violent and aggressive behaviour.

On 29 June 2005 the FDA announced they intend to make labeling changes for Concerta and other methylphenidate products used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder to include "psychiatric events such as visual hallucinations, suicidal ideation, psychotic behavior, as well as aggression or violent behavior."

On 19 august 2005, the Commission of the European Communities, representing 25 countries, issued its decision to endorse and issue the strongest warning yet against child antidepressant use as recommended by europe's Committee for Medicinal products for Human Use.....this followed a review of clinical trials that showed the drugs cause suicidal behavior including suicide attempts and suicidal ideation, aggression, hostility and or related behavior.

The history of violence by teens who have been subjected to psychiatric drugs cannot be ignored. The following represents a minute sample of such crimes:

I cannot get the PDF file to attach here, unfortunately, but it lists all the child murders of the past decade and what drugs they were on, prescribed by their psychiatrists.

A great deal is now known about suicide and violence in association with the newer antidepressants (http://breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=45)such as Prozac (fluoxetine), Paxil (paroxetine), Zoloft (sertraline), Luvox (fluvoxamine), Celexa (escitalopram), Lexapro (escitalopram), Cymbalta (duloxetine), Effexor (venlavaxine), Pristiq desvenlafaxine), and Wellbutrin (bupropion).

The FDA has imposed a Black Box on all antidepressant labels that warns against the risk of suicidal behavior in children, youth and young adults.

Click here (http://www.prozac.com/Pages/index.aspx)to find the example of Prozac’s official prescribing information. More importantly and more broadly, the new labels also warn about the risk of aggression, hostility, mania, and an overall worsening of the individual’s mental condition, for all ages. The new FDA-approved labels also include a Medication Guide (http://www.prozac.com/Pages/index.aspx), which the FDA urges prescribers to give to patients and their families. Originally intended for children taking antidepressants, it now has no age limitation and pertains to all ages. The Medication Guide warns patients and their families to be aware of the possibility of suicidal and violent behavior, mania, and a long litany of other dangerous mental abnormalities.

The new FDA-approved antidepressant labels confirm that the risks are highest at the start of medication therapy or during changes in dose, either up or down. To a great extent, the labels read like my prior publications, one of which was given by the FDA (http://2004http//breggin.com/components/com_docman/themes/default/images/icons/32x32/pdf.png)to its outside expert committee that recommended the changes to the labels.

Unfortunately, many psychiatrists, internists, family doctors, nurse practitioners and other professionals continue to prescribe these medications, too often without providing adequate information to the patient and the family.

duffysmom
12-19-2012, 11:28 AM
Senior thank you for a thoughtful and provocative post. A child's brain is not fully developed until the age of 25.

eweissenbach
12-19-2012, 01:51 PM
Senior thank you for a thoughtful and provocative post. A child's brain is not fully developed until the age of 25.

Yes SC, thank you and God bless.

Taltarzac725
12-19-2012, 02:05 PM
"The rise in gratuitious and murderous violence committed by youth is a tragic phenomenon. Psychiatrists continue to sell the wrong causes, from mental illness and poverty to broken families and genetic makeup (none of which can be cured), yet the psychiatric drugs can themselves cause violence."

A litany of research on the history of psychotropic drugs......

A 1975 Canadian study researching the effects of psychiatric drugs on prisoners discovered that violent, aggressive incidents occurred significantly more frequently in inmates who were on psychotropic medication than when these inmates were not on psychotropic drugs.

In 1997, The Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law published data on how the typical patient in prison is a 19 year old with a history of substance abuse or a multi drug habit. All patients in the study had been treated with psychotropic drugs, and in this population there was a high incidence of expression of aggression.

These are side effects that psychiatrists go to great lengths to ignore or deny. However, there are now international warnings and studies showing these drugs cause vilent and aggressive behaviour.

On 29 June 2005 the FDA announced they intend to make labeling changes for Concerta and other methylphenidate products used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder to include "psychiatric events such as visual hallucinations, suicidal ideation, psychotic behavior, as well as aggression or violent behavior."

On 19 august 2005, the Commission of the European Communities, representing 25 countries, issued its decision to endorse and issue the strongest warning yet against child antidepressant use as recommended by europe's Committee for Medicinal products for Human Use.....this followed a review of clinical trials that showed the drugs cause suicidal behavior including suicide attempts and suicidal ideation, aggression, hostility and or related behavior.

The history of violence by teens who have been subjected to psychiatric drugs cannot be ignored. The following represents a minute sample of such crimes:

I cannot get the PDF file to attach here, unfortunately, but it lists all the child murders of the past decade and what drugs they were on, prescribed by their psychiatrists.

A great deal is now known about suicide and violence in association with the newer antidepressants (http://breggin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=45)such as Prozac (fluoxetine), Paxil (paroxetine), Zoloft (sertraline), Luvox (fluvoxamine), Celexa (escitalopram), Lexapro (escitalopram), Cymbalta (duloxetine), Effexor (venlavaxine), Pristiq desvenlafaxine), and Wellbutrin (bupropion).

The FDA has imposed a Black Box on all antidepressant labels that warns against the risk of suicidal behavior in children, youth and young adults.

Click here (http://www.prozac.com/Pages/index.aspx)to find the example of Prozac’s official prescribing information. More importantly and more broadly, the new labels also warn about the risk of aggression, hostility, mania, and an overall worsening of the individual’s mental condition, for all ages. The new FDA-approved labels also include a Medication Guide (http://www.prozac.com/Pages/index.aspx), which the FDA urges prescribers to give to patients and their families. Originally intended for children taking antidepressants, it now has no age limitation and pertains to all ages. The Medication Guide warns patients and their families to be aware of the possibility of suicidal and violent behavior, mania, and a long litany of other dangerous mental abnormalities.

The new FDA-approved antidepressant labels confirm that the risks are highest at the start of medication therapy or during changes in dose, either up or down. To a great extent, the labels read like my prior publications, one of which was given by the FDA (http://2004http//breggin.com/components/com_docman/themes/default/images/icons/32x32/pdf.png)to its outside expert committee that recommended the changes to the labels.

Unfortunately, many psychiatrists, internists, family doctors, nurse practitioners and other professionals continue to prescribe these medications, too often without providing adequate information to the patient and the family.

Good post. I had a nervous breakdown in 2000 and spent about 3 days in a hospital and then maybe a week in a mental ward in the Tampa Bay area. The doctors never even talked to me all the time I was in the hospital just had me on a bunch of drugs.

Not sure what I was prescribed with while I was in the mental ward.
The big part of the time though spent with any psychiatrist was just telling them you are getting along with other people and taking your pills. They did not want to hear much of anything else.

After I got out I tried using the pills for my parents' and others' benefit and found them to have little or no affect. I had a $10 a visit psychiatrist for about 16 months who prescribed these drugs.

I felt I needed to experiment.

So, I stopped taking them to see if there were any difference. None that I could discover.

So, after experimented with taking and not taking these drugs and then having the psychiatrist ask me "If nothing is wrong with you, why are you still coming?" I stopped going to the mental health facility with the $10 a visit psychiatrist.

I had no history of mental illness before that except for being met with the suggestion that I see the University psychologist after I insisted on being honest about my interest in crime victims' access to practical information to potential law library employers after I lost my contract at the University of Minnesota Law Library in mid 1991.