Morse blvd

[Grannynance]

Drive east on 44 there is a lot of construction and it looks like a road is been built it is just west of the lake county line. Could this be where Morse will connect with 44. The area is about half a mile from lake Eaton.

[llaran]

Morse will exit to 44 near where 468 goes south

[GaryW]

Morse will exit to 44 near where 468 goes south

That is correct. Morse will join 44 at the junction of 468. Then the new turnpike junction will be at 468 and the turnpike if that continues and goes thru in the next 2 years. Will be a very nice area once it is completed. That area east of 468 will be houses a big Regional rec center. Think it will be calle Cypress Glen.

[Cedwards38]

What are these roads, and are they significant? Major thoroughfares?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

That is correct. Morse will join 44 at the junction of 468. Then the new turnpike junction will be at 468 and the turnpike if that continues and goes thru in the next 2 years. Will be a very nice area once it is completed. That area east of 468 will be houses a big Regional rec center. Think it will be calle Cypress Glen.

Do you mean the Florida Turnpike?

[Grannynance]

Heard all these stories before as to where Morse will connect to 44. Guess I will just wait and see.

[GaryW]

Do you mean the Florida Turnpike?

That be the one....

Sumter County Master Plan Construction Map has Morse dumping onto Hwy-44 at intersection of CR-468. Do not think that has changed at all yet..
Both of those roads are busy roads.

[bike42]

Villages - linked buyer recently acquired a strip of properties leading from the southern end of Buena Vista/Brownwood to the Florida Turnpike. Take a look on the Sumter County Property Assessor's website. What does this mean?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Villages - linked buyer recently acquired a strip of properties leading from the southern end of Buena Vista/Brownwood to the Florida Turnpike. Take a look on the Sumter County Property Assessor's website. What does this mean?

Ummmmm.......uhhhh......well.....lemme think here - - - :D

Bill :)

[OldDave]

Bike, could you provide a link. I cannot find anything with that name. And how do you know the buyer is linked to TV?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Dave, look up an owner's name of "North Tract LLC" on Sumter County Property Appraiser (http://www.sumterpa.com) - - - Record Search.

Bill :)

[NJblue]

Dave, look up an owner's name of "North Tract LLC" on Sumter County Property Appraiser (http://www.sumterpa.com) - - - Record Search.

Bill :)

I guess I'm missing it. I only see a reference to an address in Palm Beach Gardens associated with North Track. Is there another link that shows ownership of North Track that I'm not seeing?

[OldDave]

When you do the search several come up. The first on on the list is lot 16 and it lists the villages as the owner. I don't know about the others, but the parcels are all together, basically east and northeast of Brownwood.

[gmcneill]

That is correct. Morse will join 44 at the junction of 468. Then the new turnpike junction will be at 468 and the turnpike if that continues and goes thru in the next 2 years. Will be a very nice area once it is completed. That area east of 468 will be houses a big Regional rec center. Think it will be calle Cypress Glen.

GaryW is direct on-point. In my mind, it's not "if" that continues but "when" it will be completed.

A check of sumterpa.com GIS map of the likely Turnpike-468 intersection shows that Villages-related owners own land adjacent to and stretching out from three of the four corners of that intersection. (I deduce that the owners are Villages-related based on the address listed for the respective holding company owners).

Consequently, there is no doubt that the intersection will happen and that area will be quite developed; with an outlet-type mall the leading contender?

What foresight! The parcels were purchased over a period of a couple of years, 2003-2005.

One of the parcels is listed as agricultural-sugar cane�.I am no sugar cane farmer, but judging from the GIS map, that parcel is awfully arid for a sugar cane field. ;)

The smallest of the parcels was purchased for $200K�an exorbitant amount when compared to the prices paid for neighboring parcels. Did someone actually get the better of �the developer� in a real estate transaction!?

I am amazed at the Morse Family perspicacity, risk assessment and risk taking skills, and ability to make their visions become realities. I would never begrudge them for that.

[OldDave]

Thanks for that web site. It was a real eye opener. You know when I first asked about this the other day, someone said this had all been debated before and there was nothing to find so I shouldn't bother.

Well, perhaps it's the reporter in me, but generally it is hard to do stuff this large without some information being there. Sumter County has great on line stuff that is pretty easy to use. And there was a load of information there. Several owners with the same address, which is the Citizens Bank in Lake Sumter.

Who knows what the developer will finally decide, but as someone said earlier if you had a press that just kept printing money, why wouldn't you.

Clearly they own and/or control huge parcels of land south and east of Brownwood. They can keep building for a long time to come. And I think the outlet mall might be a good idea, although those along highways have not done as well in recent years as those close to big attractions, i.e., Orlando.

Either way, they have the land to surround Brownwood and then some, as I originally asked about. Thatt proposed interchange on the Turnpike will make a great front door to all the new areas.

Is it good or bad. I'm not in any position to judge, but sure looks like they can keep building.

The biggest question is whether the IRS will finally rule and all the subsequent appeals are run. If they cannot do the tax free bonds, I'm sure they'll find another way to do it.

Clearly people love the place. And hell I just asked Lyle to find us some houses to look at, so I'm part of the swarm coming in.

Thanks to all for the great research.

Dave

[mrfixit]

That is correct. Morse will join 44 at the junction of 468. Then the new turnpike junction will be at 468 and the turnpike if that continues and goes thru in the next 2 years. Will be a very nice area once it is completed. That area east of 468 will be houses a big Regional rec center. Think it will be calle Cypress Glen.

You are absolutely correct.

The NEW Turnpike interchange is in the works....:clap2:

The developer is paying $>>>> TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS <<<<
of their own money to jumpstart the Turnpike interchange .

They will then DONATE that to the STATE of Florida.

The State will then use that $25 Million donation as the States share of the total project costs.
The FEDS will then ante up about $70 Million because the State had the $ 25 Million ( albeit developer donated) as their share of the Fed Hwy Funding formula for the total project.
You have to admit..........The Villages" can get things done:

In MY Humble Opinion...
..............We are blessed to be living :) in this awesome place....
...................:bigbow:................Many thanks to the ENTIRE Morse family

[mrfixit]

Oh Yeah....


As you are all aware...
..........I-75 WILL become SIX lane from GEORGIA line....
............to Naples....and......all the way across "alligator alley" to MIAMI...

...at the latest meeting to set Priorities for Highway projects......
.........it has been determined that the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY for the
six lanes will NOW be ..........wait for it.....
........................................Tampa to WILDWOOD.......

[CatskillBill]

You are absolutely correct.

The NEW Turnpike interchange is in the works....:clap2:

The developer is paying $>>>> TWENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS <<<<
of their own money to jumpstart the Turnpike interchange .

They will then DONATE that to the STATE of Florida.

The State will then use that $25 Million donation as the States share of the total project costs.
The FEDS will then ante up about $70 Million because the State had the $ 25 Million ( albeit developer donated) as their share of the Fed Hwy Funding formula for the total project.
You have to admit..........The Villages" can get things done:

In MY Humble Opinion...
..............We are blessed to be living :) in this awesome place....
...................:bigbow:................Many thanks to the ENTIRE Morse family

This pdf is a detailed description of the proposed exit:

http://www.pennecamp.org/doc/Turnpike_2011.pdf

[CatskillBill]

This pdf is a detailed description of the proposed exit:

http://www.pennecamp.org/doc/Turnpike_2011.pdf


Here's an ad for almost 650 acres for sale near the new interchange. Not sure how old this is or if it has been bought by The Villages machine yet.

http://control.cisdata.net/bin/filelink.php/AR218769/0dd94f788726893dc187c9a19868cf4b/

Also heard a rumor that they bought up everything from the Coleman Federal Correctional Facility (Rt 501/Rt 470 boundary) northeast to the other side of the Okahumpka Service Plaza on the Turnpike up to Rt 44? That could be another 15-20 square miles of realestate. Can anyone dig into that on the Sumter County tax map site to verify?

WOW, if that's happening, Brownwood would be the center of "The Villages 2040". This just boggles the mind. The Villages could grow to maybe 250,000+ residents by then!!

How about a monorail from Brownwood to a bullet train station at the Turnpike direct to Tampa or Orlando? You never know with The Morse's future plans. They always seem to be thinking 10 years ahead of the curve.

[Cedwards38]

This is some incredible information. Kudos to this team of investigators and reporters. :coolsmiley:

[justjim]

Here's an ad for almost 650 acres for sale near the new interchange. Not sure how old this is or if it has been bought by The Villages machine yet.

http://control.cisdata.net/bin/filelink.php/AR218769/0dd94f788726893dc187c9a19868cf4b/

Also heard a rumor that they bought up everything from the Coleman Federal Correctional Facility (Rt 501/Rt 470 boundary) northeast to the other side of the Okahumpka Service Plaza on the Turnpike up to Rt 44? That could be another 15-20 square miles of realestate. Can anyone dig into that on the Sumter County tax map site to verify?

WOW, if that's happening, Brownwood would be the center of "The Villages 2040". This just boggles the mind. The Villages could grow to maybe 250,000+ residents by then!!

How about a monorail from Brownwood to a bullet train station at the Turnpike direct to Tampa or Orlando? You never know with The Morse's future plans. They always seem to be thinking 10 years ahead of the curve.

:coolsmiley: If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?

[Jim 9922]

:coolsmiley: If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?
Over the years, lots of trial balloons and P/R releases; Buffalo Ridge, a BIG regional shopping mall; bowling alleys in all major town centers; clay court tennis complexes scattered about; neighborhood resturants (Silver Lake, Chula, Santiago); I-75 interchange, just to name a few. But economic realities and tougher planning eventually take hold. So goes life in business, and we are living in a big business.
IMO they have done very well by us so far!:clap2:

[jblum315]

Maybe The Villages will someday be a giant theme park.
After all, when Disney first started talking about Epcot, he described it as an ideal small town that people would actually live in. You see where that went.

[GaryW]

:coolsmiley: If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?

That was a different story,,, My company was doing the one on 466 and 475. That all got stopped when the when the economy went south and the State and Fed DOT ran out of funds to do it. Got put on hold for 1 year, then put on the back burner. Still being talked about, but not in a big hurry.
Now something similar could happen, but The Villages are really pushing it. I do not see this one ending up to far on the back burner.

Alot of the rumors that get spread are from people hearing someone else say one thing, then next thing you know,, it has grown from a ant hill to Mt. Everest.

I had someone telling me yesterday that they heard the family talking about the huge mall going in at Brownwood with Macy's, and all the top of line stores. I talked to same person they said they did, and that was not the deal said. So you got to take the rumors with a grain of salt, or pepper or shot of Crown Royal.

[gmcneill]

By 2003, Villages related subsidiaries spent over $2M to purchase parcels that control all four corners of the presumed I-75/466 intersection. Those actions are insights to the developer’s intent.

Perhaps the plan at the time was to "mega-develop" that intersection as a convenient and high-profile interstate exit to what was then the fast-moving southern expansion of TV. But as justjim points out, no one has moved around any dirt out there. Inactivity could result from a combination of factors; what follows are three considerations.

Perhaps the developer “back-burnered” the project because he was unable to purchase additional parcels from adjacent landowners, effectively restricting the scope of his vision for that project.

Perhaps TV was expanding faster than what was envisioned, so the developer shifted his focus to the Turnpike/468 project. Keep in mind that it was at that same time- 2003- that the developer began a two year period of purchasing parcels in the turnpike/468 interchange area.

And, as GaryW alluded, the recession absolutely played a major role in drying up available federal a/o state funding for projects of that type.

Even if a “mega-developed” I-75/466 interchange doesn’t happen, it seems logical that the interchange will eventually be built. At worst case, because the developer still controls the land there, he has strategically placed himself an eminent domain position for when that time comes.

And in any land purchase negotiations between “our” developer and fed/state DOT representatives, I’m backing the home town guy.

[NJblue]

When you do the search several come up. The first on on the list is lot 16 and it lists the villages as the owner. I don't know about the others, but the parcels are all together, basically east and northeast of Brownwood.

I'm still not seeing a connection to The Villages or Morse. If you look at parcell 16 you do see a reference to "Wildwood Villages" but note that this was the SELLER to North Tract LLC. So, unless someone can show a linkage between North Tract and The Villages, count me as skeptical that this is destined to become part of The Villages.

[NJblue]

GaryW is direct on-point. In my mind, it's not "if" that continues but "when" it will be completed.

A check of sumterpa.com GIS map of the likely Turnpike-468 intersection shows that Villages-related owners own land adjacent to and stretching out from three of the four corners of that intersection. (I deduce that the owners are Villages-related based on the address listed for the respective holding company owners).

Consequently, there is no doubt that the intersection will happen and that area will be quite developed; with an outlet-type mall the leading contender?

What foresight! The parcels were purchased over a period of a couple of years, 2003-2005.

One of the parcels is listed as agricultural-sugar cane�.I am no sugar cane farmer, but judging from the GIS map, that parcel is awfully arid for a sugar cane field. ;)

The smallest of the parcels was purchased for $200K�an exorbitant amount when compared to the prices paid for neighboring parcels. Did someone actually get the better of �the developer� in a real estate transaction!?

I am amazed at the Morse Family perspicacity, risk assessment and risk taking skills, and ability to make their visions become realities. I would never begrudge them for that.

Here again, I'm skeptical. Note that the properties owned by The Villages at the proposed exchange are really not that large and are more consistent with the proposed placement of the interchange lanes. Perhaps there may be room for a gas station/convenience store, but certainly not a mall of any sort. Now, if you could show a link between Bigham Hide company and TV, then I would agree that there may be a TV-owned mall in that area's future. Bigham owns quite a bit of property in that area.

[NJblue]

Here's an ad for almost 650 acres for sale near the new interchange. Not sure how old this is or if it has been bought by The Villages machine yet.

http://control.cisdata.net/bin/filelink.php/AR218769/0dd94f788726893dc187c9a19868cf4b/

Also heard a rumor that they bought up everything from the Coleman Federal Correctional Facility (Rt 501/Rt 470 boundary) northeast to the other side of the Okahumpka Service Plaza on the Turnpike up to Rt 44? That could be another 15-20 square miles of realestate. Can anyone dig into that on the Sumter County tax map site to verify?

WOW, if that's happening, Brownwood would be the center of "The Villages 2040". This just boggles the mind. The Villages could grow to maybe 250,000+ residents by then!!

How about a monorail from Brownwood to a bullet train station at the Turnpike direct to Tampa or Orlando? You never know with The Morse's future plans. They always seem to be thinking 10 years ahead of the curve.

The fact that this property is not owned by TV and is up for sale would argue against its potential inclusion into TV. My guess is that if Morse wanted to include this area into The Villages, he would have proactively contacted the owner and made a deal. He would not have waited for it to go on the market before acting.

I hate to be a buzz-kill and enjoy a good rumor as much as anyone, but there needs to be more facts associated with the rumor than the above-related speculations for me to become a believer.

[OldDave]

Lot 16-7 west of the lake is listed as owned by The Villages Properties. If you go down by the proposed interchange with the turnpike you'll see several lots listed as Mid Florida Properties LLC, with an address of 1020 LAKE SUMTER LNDG THE VILLAGES, FL 32162. That is the address of the Citizens Bank in Lake Sumter and the same address listed for The Villages Properties.

[cquick]

:coolsmiley: If you are going to dream, might as well dream big! Just a reminder-----6 or 7 years so ago the i75 interchange at 466 west of TV was rumored a "done deal". Anybody seen them "scratching around" out there building that interchange?

a few months ago I saw surveyors at the intersection of (I75 and 468). so, I think the rumors are true

[NJblue]

Lot 16-7 west of the lake is listed as owned by The Villages Properties. If you go down by the proposed interchange with the turnpike you'll see several lots listed as Mid Florida Properties LLC, with an address of 1020 LAKE SUMTER LNDG THE VILLAGES, FL 32162. That is the address of the Citizens Bank in Lake Sumter and the same address listed for The Villages Properties.

If we are looking at the same map (designated as G16=007) it is north of 44 and is immediately adjacent to Brownwood. It definitely is owned by TV and is where they had previously talked about a future hospital.

However, the only property that I see owned by TV south of 44 are the few parcels around the proposed interchange (G27=009, G27=010, plus a few very small parcels on the southeast corner of the turnpike and 468). This is consistent with the fact that TV was required to purchase the land and donate it to the state when the exchange is built. These properties are not large enough for significant development.

[gmcneill]

NJBlue, I see and concur with your point re: the sizes of the parcels at that intersection.

Bigham Hide Co sure has a leg up for development in that area though, doesn't it?

Did you notice that in January and April of 2012, Sumter County spent serious money to purchase a couple of rather small parcels of land in that same area from Bigham Hide Co.?

Not knowing any of the reasons or justifications for them doing so, on the surface it seems to me that the price paid was a bit steep.

[billethkid]

I would think major expenditures like building an interstate exchange would be more of the "bait/convenience/wow lookit this" type marketing.

And since TV made it to the 75% point in the time line of develpement without an interchange.......and only 5-6 yeras to go to completion...why would they spend the money now?

Don't be in that naieve category that thinks it would be great/convenient/nice.
If they started next weeki it would be done about the time TV builds out so.....why would the developer do it?

They wouldn't.

btk

[NJblue]

BK, don't be so sure about that. Your argument is valid coming from the perspective that TV is doing it voluntarily. However, I know for a fact that in many instances developers are given project approval for certain things with the contingency that they pay for infrastructure improvements that are deemed necessary. Sometimes these infrastructure improvements happen years after the development has been completed.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

BK, don't be so sure about that. Your argument is valid coming from the perspective that TV is doing it voluntarily. However, I know for a fact that in many instances developers are given project approval for certain things with the contingency that they pay for infrastructure improvements that are deemed necessary. Sometimes these infrastructure improvements happen years after the development has been completed.

:agree:

[janmcn]

BK, don't be so sure about that. Your argument is valid coming from the perspective that TV is doing it voluntarily. However, I know for a fact that in many instances developers are given project approval for certain things with the contingency that they pay for infrastructure improvements that are deemed necessary. Sometimes these infrastructure improvements happen years after the development has been completed.

Since the Florida legislature repealed the 25 year old Growth Management Law in 2011, developers are no longer required to build roads, schools, sewage systems, etc. They don't even have to stipulate their developments are safe. All the costs of development now fall on the cities and towns involved.

[NJblue]

Since the Florida legislature repealed the 25 year old Growth Management Law in 2011, developers are no longer required to build roads, schools, sewage systems, etc. They don't even have to stipulate their developments are safe. All the costs of development now fall on the cities and towns involved.

Not familiar with this, but I wonder what the change lin law said about agreements that were already on the books as the interchange certainly was.

[Grannynance]

Well I got a real reply as to where Morse will end at 44, but never did get anything about the construction east of lake deaton, maybe they are just moving dirt around

[NJblue]

Well I got a real reply as to where Morse will end at 44, but never did get anything about the construction east of lake deaton, maybe they are just moving dirt around

I haven't been by there, but it could be that they are starting the Morse/44 intersection for the ultimate completion of Morse.

[NJblue]

Since the Florida legislature repealed the 25 year old Growth Management Law in 2011, developers are no longer required to build roads, schools, sewage systems, etc. They don't even have to stipulate their developments are safe. All the costs of development now fall on the cities and towns involved.

That's not quite the way I read the newspaper account of this:
Florida lawmakers wipe out 30 years of growth management law - Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/florida-lawmakers-wipe-out-30-years-of-growth-management-law/1168328)
The legislation shifts oversight of development from the state to local governments while giving the state the final say over development plans that affect regions or sensitive land considered "areas of critical state concern."

Sounds like it was more of a shift of authority from the state to the county/local government, but kept open the possible involvement of the state. It also seemed to be primarily concerned with environmental impacts and not traffic impacts.

[Grannynance]

njblue the area I am talking about is about a half a mile from where everyone say it will intersect
I am not to interested as to when a next turnpike entrance . I am 75 I don't think I have to worry about it.

[janmcn]

njblue the area I am talking about is about a half a mile from where everyone say it will intersect
I am not to interested as to when a next turnpike entrance . I am 75 I don't think I have to worry about it.

I totally agree. I got excited about this exit when I first read about it in the Daily Sun TEN YEARS AGO. Who cares if they build it or not. It would only save about ten minutes of driving time to Orlando.

[2 Oldcrabs]

Does this mean there sales pitch that the "build out" is 2014-2015 is a lie?:ohdear:

[OldDave]

Crabs, that's a really good question. That may, in fact, be all they are actually commited to. I did notice that some of those parcels around the turnpike that we've been talking about have been owned by them for a number of years. Even it they aren't planning on building houses further than the current plan, it sure would seem to be smart to buy as much of the buffer areas as possible, both for future growth and to protect against unsavory development next to paradise.

Having said that, if I was even considering more houses beyond the current plan, I cannot see that it would be advantageous to advertise it. The pressure of the build out certainly would make some people buy sooner. Although if they are selling 250 houses a month I cannot see that they really need that pressure much. This thing really has passed critical mass some time ago.

One thing we really haven't discussed on this thread that interests me is whether the place can be too big. If you look at google.maps see how far it is from Nancy Lopez to that possible turnpike exchange, or even just to Brownwood. The idea you can use your golf cart to go everywhere in TV has actually already passed, if you live on one of the edges. I don't think many people would find it fun to spend an hour driving in a golf cart. Of course for those folks who can only use a cart, it may be necessary, but for others I'm not sure.

Do you think that being in the north close to Spanish Springs is the same as being in the south close to Brownwood. Do you tend to stay close to home, mostly going to the closest square and pools and rec centers? I know in the month we were here, my wife went all over the place to get the dance class or swim class she wanted regardless of how close it was; sometimes she took the cart sometimes the car.

But if this place keeps growing, it really could become a real trip to go from one end to the other. What are your thoughts?

Also, do you think the developer will ever cross the county line in the southern part into Lake County. I've not heard this discussed, but I assume there is some reason whey they haven't done it except in the oldest parts.

[Grannynance]

old Dave I don't think think lake would cater to the builder after all most of the villages is in Sumter living here 18 years I have seen a lot of thinks. When the change came on how the county was represntavie by county com. The builder got a great boost. Why would you try another county if you have one locked up. By your post a see you do not live here yet. When any if you do move you will understand that the area is not one happy family there are people inside and out. A lot of locals don't really care for the large housing development.

[OldDave]

Yes, Granny, I can certainly see how the locals might have a different take. It supplies jobs, but I'm guessing most of those aren't particularly well paying. Service jobs never are. I said this once a long time ago, but during our visit something really struck home with me.

When you're in TV it is just beautiful, outstanding. But you can travel two blocks off the property in many directions and it looks like 1950s backwood Florida, with run down buildings, cars up on blocks and weeds growing up.
That really kind of surprised me but when I thought about it, I shouldn't have been surprised.

The developer and Mr. Schwartz took a truly undeveloped part of the world and turned it into something special. You couldn't possibly do this near the ocean, land would just be too expensive.

Granny, I'd like to ask you something. With living here all these years, are you glad to be here? We've talked before on this site about the number of people who simply won't tolerate any comments that are seen as negative. And of course the few people that say things like, "bless the Morse family for all they've done" as if they were missonaries rather than sharp, very lucky business people.

What is your take? Feel free to send a PM if you like. I'd really like your take.

Thanks,

Dave

[cquick]

I think this is an very interesting thread.....it's fun to think about how "our town" will look in the future.

But that's part of the problem with The Villages, in my opinion, it's really not a "town" or a "city" at all. It's spread out through 3 counties, and sometimes not very cohesive because of that.

I love living here, but as I told my husband 5 years before we ever moved here that my only problem with TV is how big it is! and it's getting bigger!

Oh, well, that's my rant. :024:

[Grannynance]

well old Dave I guess we are off the what the post question was about, but to answer your question the villages is nice kept up very nice a lot of activities, but it does not mix good. I lived in Kansas city aand you know Johnson county a very well to do county very very large estates, but just over the line you were in another world so to speak (like you referred to here 1950) well the locals have been here many years that is there style and are satifited, along come people making comment it isn't taken well.as for what the villages has done for the area people see it as to big and their way of life is imposed on. Instead of live and let live it isn't so, people like to wat I call show or put on the dog and that dogg doesn't hunt well here. The village is nice and people have invested a lot to live there so live
it. What I have see is the village residents over load the local places you have a large amount of people where there isn't thing to support them, so they go outside their bubble flex themselves and there you go. As for me at my age it would be tough to relocate so I grin any bear. If I were 20 years younger I would do different, but who knew this would be so big. A lot of people have left and a lot more will come. The family that planned this became very well to do that was their aim and so done.
Those that believe that did for them live in a dream they did to become rich

[FMF Doc]

May be the big obstacle to overcome in any future development. Will they get approval to use more of the available water?

[billethkid]

the question of how big is too big for TV will have as many answers as there are people being asked.

The concept the developer has consitently promoted is distributed services/amenities/restarants/shopping/et al.

While it may be of interest to go to all the squares or other shopping/restaurants in other districts within TV, it really is not neccessary to live one's daily life because most of the daily needs can be had "locally" to one's village.

As a result serving a 100,000 population in a distributed way ala TV is very much different than any other city of 100,000 that does not have a distributed plan for it's residents.

I am sure we are typical residents of TV. Everbody likes to go see what is new that is being added to the newer developed areas....no matter how far away it is. With some exceptions we have a routine that operates in our immediate area. Ten years ago we had to drive to 441 to go to a doctor of any kind. Now we have our pick of any kind of medical support less than 10 minutes away.

We used to gravitate to Spanish Springs for shopping and entertainment. Since Lake Sumter Landing opened, we rarely have to go to SS for anything.

We have our village's rec center as well as choice of multiple regional rec centers....all less tha 10 minutes away.

We have a shopping center that houses Publix and the usual other tenants and retailers less than 10 minutes away.

And so on.

So the fact that we live in a residential area that has a population "measurement" of 90+ thousand.....it is very different than living in cities of equal size any where else.

Tes commercial traffic has increased and yes resident traffic has increased....but keep in mind it is only for that 10 minutes or so that we navigate in most of our daily living.

We truly are spoiled.

We moved South of 466 the year they made 466 4 lanes.....when Buena Vista did not go beyond wher Arnold Palmer CC is....when there was no Arnold Palmer CC!!! We have experienced TV growing to 3 times what it was when we moved in 2004. The growth brought a critical mass that transformed available shopping/restaurants, medical facilities/services/entertainment to almost anything one could want to see available. This was not the case when TV sothern border was 466.

After looking at 55+ living in the 4 corners of the USA, we moved from a very lovely 55+ retirement community in Beaufort, SC to TV because it offered the "lifestyle" we could not duplicate any where else. We have not been disappointed one bit.

Yes we would do it again today.

We have friends that moved away from Sothern FL to closer to back home. because they did not like FL. After staying with us the first year after we moved in they commented...."now this is what we expected living in FL would be like". It does not mean they are right about TV perspective of FL.....it just means this place is very different from most other communities and one cannot know that until or unless they stay here long enough to wear out a pair of shoes.

That is my $4.76 worth (2 cents adjusted for inflation and socialization:smiley:)

btk

[OldDave]

Bill, great post. Thanks.

Granny, I appreciate your take on things. Since we're both from Kansas, we talk the same language, I think.

Dave

[Jersey Girl]

New commercial establishments, such as the new mall being constructed on 44, bring with it commercial traffic. Is anyone concerned about tractor trailer use of our roadways within TV? You would think there would be a maximum weight limit, yet I've seen an 18 wheeler traveling on Bonita Blvd. The roundabouts don't seem to be a deterrent either.

[Bogie Shooter]

New commercial establishments, such as the new mall being constructed on 44, bring with it commercial traffic. Is anyone concerned about tractor trailer use of our roadways within TV? You would think there would be a maximum weight limit, yet I've seen an 18 wheeler traveling on Bonita Blvd. The roundabouts don't seem to be a deterrent either.

I don't think one 18 wheeler on Bonita is a major problem.

[NJblue]

New commercial establishments, such as the new mall being constructed on 44, bring with it commercial traffic. Is anyone concerned about tractor trailer use of our roadways within TV? You would think there would be a maximum weight limit, yet I've seen an 18 wheeler traveling on Bonita Blvd. The roundabouts don't seem to be a deterrent either.

I am not familiar with a verified report of a mall (other than a strip mall) being built on 44. There were plans of a mall several years ago, but they appear to have been dropped - at least from The Villages commercial web site.

However, yes, I am concerned about truck traffic on Morse as a result of the new turnpike interchange. Other pooh-pooh it because of the traffic circles, but I still think that a few traffic circles provide a lot less of an impediment to a truck than the red lights that they now encounter coming up 27/441 from the turnpike.

[travelguy]

I guess that The Villages will never be connected to a regional rail system. I would look forward to being able to get around without an automobile.

[Bogie Shooter]

I guess that The Villages will never be connected to a regional rail system. I would look forward to being able to get around without an automobile.

Would there be stops at the dog parks?

[GaryW]

THe only 18 wheeler traffic would be local deliveries. Sod Trucks, Block trucks and so forth delivering to new units. Now you could have other trucks like Moving Companies, and Grocery Deliveries such as Publix and Winn-Dixie coming in also. But for the most part not alot of thru trucks,,, they hate the round-a-bouts like most