Seen on B.Vista @ 10am this morning

[Madelaine Amee]

I still cannot believe I really saw this, but I did ...........

I was driving on B.Vista at 10am this morning, towards 466, when the traffic slowed and moved out into the fast lane to overtake a woman using an elliptical exercise bike on the road, the one with the small wheels and very low to the ground. She was riding an exercise bike in the road right beside a multi model path in the vicinity of Palmer. There was a police car parked on the other side of the road on the grass ...............

It is completely beyond my comprehension that anyone would use an exercise bike on one of the main roads through TV. She must value being fit over being dead!

[skyguy79]

I still cannot believe I really saw this, but I did ...........

I was driving on B.Vista at 10am this morning, towards 466, when the traffic slowed and moved out into the fast lane to overtake a woman using an elliptical exercise bike on the road, the one with the small wheels and very low to the ground. She was riding an exercise bike in the road right beside a multi model path in the vicinity of Palmer. There was a police car parked on the other side of the road on the grass ...............

It is completely beyond my comprehension that anyone would use an exercise bike on one of the main roads through TV. She must value being fit over being dead!I've heard many things here on TOTV, but this is the first one that brought Ripley's Believe it or not to mind!

[Cantwaittoarrive]

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[ilovetv]

I thought I'd seen it all with bicyclists until one morning when going to work around 7:45, both lanes of northbound traffic on the Morse bridge over Lake Sumter are stopping and swerving to the left, because of two people on recumbent high bikes--lying down on top of full-size racing wheels and unable to touch the ground with one foot if needed, with both legs stretched out parallel to the ground--are just plodding..I mean reclining along, in the car lane on the bridge which goes uphill in the middle and downhill then, making it difficult to see them when coming over the rise.

And then there's the roundabouts they go thru instead of the tunnel bypasses....

Why do bicyclists REFUSE to use the multi-modal lanes provided them?

[Russ_Boston]

Why do bicyclists REFUSE to use the multi-modal lanes provided them?

Again with the hatred of cyclists?

Please read the rules of the road. In every state I know of cyclists are allowed to use the vast majority of streets that their taxes pay for. The MM paths are not the ONLY place to be.

It is inconsiderate drivers of autos that cause the problems in the majority of cases I've seen.

[blaZen]

Probably on her way to the World of Beer!

[ilovetv]

Again with the hatred of cyclists?

Please read the rules of the road. In every state I know of cyclists are allowed to use the vast majority of streets that their taxes pay for. The MM paths are not the ONLY place to be.

It is inconsiderate drivers of autos that cause the problems in the majority of cases I've seen.

There is no "hatred" for cyclists. This is about not wanting to hit one and about wanting to avoid the horror.

It's also about the unnecessary risks people take, and about choosing not to take safety precautions and cooperate in safe flow of traffic.

And by the way, there was significant fog on the bridge the morning of the scenario I described above. Visibility was poor from fog in addition to not being able to see the over the rise in the bridge.

[Down Sized]

I thought I'd seen it all with bicyclists until one morning when going to work around 7:45, both lanes of northbound traffic on the Morse bridge over Lake Sumter are stopping and swerving to the left, because of two people on recumbent high bikes--lying down on top of full-size racing wheels and unable to touch the ground with one foot if needed, with both legs stretched out parallel to the ground--are just plodding..I mean reclining along, in the car lane on the bridge which goes uphill in the middle and downhill then, making it difficult to see them when coming over the rise.

And then there's the roundabouts they go thru instead of the tunnel bypasses....

Why do bicyclists REFUSE to use the multi-modal lanes provided them?

I ride a bicycle several miles a week. In my opinion that bridge by Sumter Landing is the worst area to ride any bicycle of all the villages that I've found so for. If I go across the cart path it backs up all the golf carts because It is so narrow they cannot pass. If I use the sidewalk on the bridge which is what I usually try to do and someone is walking then that creates a problem. Having said all that I decided the safest place for me was using the Street to cross the bridge. If someone has a better idea I would be glad to hear it.

[ilovetv]

I ride a bicycle several miles a week. In my opinion that bridge by Sumter Landing is the worst area to ride any bicycle of all the villages that I've found so for. If I go across the cart path it backs up all the golf carts because It is so narrow they cannot pass. If I use the sidewalk on the bridge which is what I usually try to do and someone is walking then that creates a problem. Having said all that I decided the safest place for me was using the Street to cross the bridge. If someone has a better idea I would be glad to hear it.

Thank you for your reasonable explanation that sounds very safety-minded. You said "bicycle", which is more capable of keeping up with the speed of traffic than what I saw with the recumbent ones and their riders.

[gocubsgo]

I saw a group of 12 out this morning, all wearing matching little zoot suits and riding in 3's down 441...blocking traffic in back of them, refusing to go into a single line and allowing people to pass. They were completely blocking the right lane and snarling traffic for at least a half mile. Hatred of cyclists? Yeah, when they act like this!!

[Russ_Boston]

Please read what I quoted from you. You told them, and I quote: "Why do bicyclists REFUSE to use the multi-modal lanes provided them?" You then said, and I quote: "And then there's the roundabouts they go thru instead of the tunnel bypasses...."

I'm using your words not mine - In this and other posts of cycles you and many others (zoot suits comment for example) have shown an ignorance of the law and an ignorance of the safety involved from the cyclist POV.

Oh well, so be it - I'm off to cycle to Publix to meet my wife for lunch with the full understanding that some people just don't get it.

[KathieI]

I still cannot believe I really saw this, but I did ...........

I was driving on B.Vista at 10am this morning, towards 466, when the traffic slowed and moved out into the fast lane to overtake a woman using an elliptical exercise bike on the road, the one with the small wheels and very low to the ground. She was riding an exercise bike in the road right beside a multi model path in the vicinity of Palmer. There was a police car parked on the other side of the road on the grass ...............

It is completely beyond my comprehension that anyone would use an exercise bike on one of the main roads through TV. She must value being fit over being dead!

IF its the same lady, she usually rides down Odell Circle around Amelia and Mallory and I'm amazed that she is so brave as to do that, but Buena Vista??? Wow. Its not at all a hatred of bikers, its the fact that they are risking their lives in order to exercise. I agree about the incumbent bikes as well, I've seen them and if GOD FORBID, there was an accident, they would be history. I don't feel its the fault of car drivers because as we all know, S**t happens, so why take a terrible chance. I just don't get it.

[JoeC1947]

Please read what I quoted from you. You told them, and I quote: "Why do bicyclists REFUSE to use the multi-modal lanes provided them?" You then said, and I quote: "And then there's the roundabouts they go thru instead of the tunnel bypasses...."

I'm using your words not mine - In this and other posts of cycles you and many others (zoot suits comment for example) have shown an ignorance of the law and an ignorance of the safety involved from the cyclist POV.

Oh well, so be it - I'm off to cycle to Publix to meet my wife for lunch with the full understanding that some people just don't get it.

I think what ilovetv was objecting to was your use of the work "hatred" which you seem to have left out of your rebuttal. Hate is a very strong word and there is no room for that word in TV when referring to another person or a group.

[scarecrow1]

Plenty of miles to ride a bike on both sides of the bridge. Why take your life in your hands when you don't have to. These people are crazy enough just driving a car.

[rubicon]

Based on the continuing thread concerning the safety/annoyance factor against bicylist. If I wanted to exercise for my health I would join a gym because they offer all kinds of bikes, treadmills, etc

[perrjojo]

SHARE THE ROAD....it's the law!

[Russ_Boston]

I think what ilovetv was objecting to was your use of the work "hatred" which you seem to have left out of your rebuttal. Hate is a very strong word and there is no room for that word in TV when referring to another person or a group.

Yeah, let's get caught up with word play instead of actual debate.

OK substitute ignorance instead of hatred.

BTW: On my ride just now everyone in cars or carts was very courteous. Which has been my experience most of the time.

[Arctic Fox]

If people were really just concerned with others' well-being, why are there not more posts lamenting the fact that few motorcyclists wear crash helmets?

Maybe because the motorbikes aren't slowing us down, whereas the pedal-bikes are?

I'm with you on this one, Russ.

[Russ_Boston]

BTW - hate is not really a bad word for me to use. I just looked it up and the second entry from Merriam Webster was this:

b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loathing) <had a great hate of hard work>

Not really sure when 'hate' become one of the words you can't say. It's ok to hate something. I know I hate when i get the shanks playing golf. :)

[Chazz]

I still cannot believe I really saw this, but I did ...........

I was driving on B.Vista at 10am this morning, towards 466, when the traffic slowed and moved out into the fast lane to overtake a woman using an elliptical exercise bike on the road, the one with the small wheels and very low to the ground. She was riding an exercise bike in the road right beside a multi model path in the vicinity of Palmer. There was a police car parked on the other side of the road on the grass ...............

It is completely beyond my comprehension that anyone would use an exercise bike on one of the main roads through TV. She must value being fit over being dead!


Exercise bikes are stationary, and can't move at all. I've seen elliptical bikes that a few people ride in the streets around here. In fact, my wife rented one for a day but didn't care for it. I presume that is the kind of bike you are referring to. However, you refer to them as being very low to the ground, which these bikes are definitely not. Perhaps you are referring to recumbent trikes, which generally ride much lower to the ground than uprights?

Regardless, they are permitted to ride on the road or the multi modal paths. However, all cyclists must ride in the designated bike lanes, where available (e.g. the northern part of Morse Blvd), except to pass or avoid road hazards. That is a recent change to Florida law.

[Gerald]

cyclists have the right to ride their bicycles where ever they want. The can chose to do it safely or die proving they had their rights against a two to three ton car.

[gomoho]

The other day we were crossing the Lake Sumter bridge in our golf cart and a husband and wife were pedalling there way across the bridge in the golf cart lane. You guessed it, carts backed way up 'cause you just can't pass in that area. Couldn't understand why they weren't on the sidewalk- I heard someone earlier say you could run into walkers, but there are very few walkers and lots of golff carts - my choice would be the occassional walker to not tie up the the golf carts.

[Chazz]

If people were really just concerned with others' well-being, why are there not more posts lamenting the fact that few motorcyclists wear crash helmets?

Maybe because the motorbikes aren't slowing us down, whereas the pedal-bikes are?

I'm with you on this one, Russ.

You're right on the money, Arctic Fox! :BigApplause:

It's all about bicyclists being in the way of impatient car drivers. I've noticed that there have been several message threads involving similar subjects, with writers expressing "concern" for the safety of cycists riding on the roads in TV. All this "concern" for the safety of cyclists, is thinly veiled expressions of frustration with slower vehicles (which bicycles are) being in their way. Cyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as car drivers regarding their presence on Florida roads. Their choice to actually exercise those rights, does not require further explanation nor justification, despite how it may mystify others.

My wife and I ride recumbent trikes. We usually ride on roads and trails throughout central Florida. On those few occasions that we ride in TV, it is usually on the multi-modal paths, with minimal road riding. My observation, is that we have less issues with drivers outside TV, than we do within, and that includes impatient car drivers on the multi-modal paths. It seems the phrase "Florida's Friendliest Town" needs the addendum: "...except toward cyclists."

[Chazz]

cyclists have the right to ride their bicycles where ever they want. The can chose to do it safely or die proving they had their rights against a two to three ton car.

With that logic, maybe we should all be driving 18-wheelers, because your puny 2 or 3 ton car is no match for a 10+ ton behemoth. The key principle is that all vehicles should be operated safely. Knowing that such is not always the case, cyclists (being the most vulnerable of vehicles) have the greatest need to operate with heightened awareness for their own safety.

[Shimpy]

Please read the rules of the road. In every state I know of cyclists are allowed to use the vast majority of streets that their taxes pay for. .

I know that they are allowed to use the road, but what taxes did they pay for that right? They are not a license vehicle, have no license plate which is payment to use the road. I pay the same taxes as them and I can't use my golf cart on the road. I guess if I had a Segway I couldn't use the road either. What gives them special privileges ? They usually give me no problem except the belligerent ones that ride 2 abreast and threaten you if you come anywhere near them.

[Russ_Boston]

I know that they are allowed to use the road, but what taxes did they pay for that right? They are not a license vehicle, have no license plate which is payment to use the road. I pay the same taxes as them and I can't use my golf cart on the road. I guess if I had a Segway I couldn't use the road either. What gives them special privileges ? They usually give me no problem except the belligerent ones that ride 2 abreast and threaten you if you come anywhere near them.

They don't have special privileges. They have the privilege to share the road as outlined by FL law (here is one link that may help you learn the law: Florida Bicycle Laws (http://www.floridabicycle.org/rules/bikelaw.html)). You are correct that they are not licensed. I was referring to property taxes which, in some proportion, are used for road repair, enforcement etc. If I'm wrong about that then I stand corrected (I couldn't find a detail of Sumter County expenditures from property taxes). But, regardless, the FL bicycle laws and rights are very straight forward. Like it or not.

[Chazz]

... They usually give me no problem except the belligerent ones that ride 2 abreast and threaten you if you come anywhere near them.

Under certain circumstances it is legal for bikes to ride 2 across. Specifically, when the lane is substandard, as defined by Florida law (less than 13 feet wide). That is because the lane is too narrow to share with an automobile and still comply with the required 3 feet of clearance that cars are required to safely afford cyclists. You are not permitted to pass a cyclist with less than 3 feet of clearance...could that have been why the cyclists you encountered were upset with you? Many drivers, and cyclists, are unaware of that legal requirement. Of course there are some drivers who don't care about it, and want to send a message to riders that they are unwelcome on the roads that the drivers believe they own.

[Grannynance]

Well here I go. About 11 am today I was on 44 eastbound in front of brown wood there were several
Bike riders (dressed in yellow) these people were all over the road, some were in the right lane some were on right side of the road stopped and others we in the left lane and yet some were at the light at bv turning in from of west bound traffic. What are you people thinking about? All this on a four lane highway. I would bet if any of you would of caught you children ridding like this the bike would of been parked. Don't give this about sharing the roadway I ride a motorcycle and a certainly know about sharing. One or more of you bikers are going to get hurt it is nice to ride in a pack with friends, but not on a four lane with the amount of traffic on 44 . Believe me when I see you I give to a lot of room because a see some of stunts you do. Are you out there to enjoy yourselves or to see what heck you can raise.

[Down Sized]

I rode my bicycle down to Brownwood today for the farmers' market. On the ride back coming up Buena Vista a bicycle club of 15 riders passed me. Having never written with a bicycle club I decided to stay on the tail end to see for my self how they acted on the street. I must say they rode single file and acted very professional. Even at the round-abouts. At one round-about some of us got caught with half the group not going to make it through. The car in the round-about stopped and waved us all through and we all waved back.
This was my first and only experience with a large group of riders.

[Grannynance]

well that certainly wasn't the gang I see on 44 there were more than 15.

[perrjojo]

The other day we were crossing the Lake Sumter bridge in our golf cart and a husband and wife were pedalling there way across the bridge in the golf cart lane. You guessed it, carts backed way up 'cause you just can't pass in that area. Couldn't understand why they weren't on the sidewalk- I heard someone earlier say you could run into walkers, but there are very few walkers and lots of golff carts - my choice would be the occassional walker to not tie up the the golf carts.

It is against the law to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk...SHARE THE ROAD...IT'S THE LAW....what part of that do people not understand?

[perrjojo]

I know that they are allowed to use the road, but what taxes did they pay for that right? They are not a license vehicle, have no license plate which is payment to use the road. I pay the same taxes as them and I can't use my golf cart on the road. I guess if I had a Segway I couldn't use the road either. What gives them special privileges ? They usually give me no problem except the belligerent ones that ride 2 abreast and threaten you if you come anywhere near them.

I guess they pay all of the same taxes that you do......property tax...auto license tax, etc..those taxes provide for the roads they ride on...you may ride your bike on those roads too. What gives them the right to ride on the road, you ask....it's the law!

[tzangrilli]

They don't have special privileges. They have the privilege to share the road as outlined by FL law (here is one link that may help you learn the law: Florida Bicycle Laws (http://www.floridabicycle.org/rules/bikelaw.html)). You are correct that they are not licensed. I was referring to property taxes which, in some proportion, are used for road repair, enforcement etc. If I'm wrong about that then I stand corrected (I couldn't find a detail of Sumter County expenditures from property taxes). But, regardless, the FL bicycle laws and rights are very straight forward. Like it or not.
100% correct. Properly taxes pay for road repair and maintainence. If you use the logic of the license plate the poster wouldn't be able to walk in front of his house without a plate attached to is ass. By the way, bicycles can ride no more than 2 abreast which means side by side is OK.

[Chazz]

The other day we were crossing the Lake Sumter bridge in our golf cart and a husband and wife were pedalling there way across the bridge in the golf cart lane. You guessed it, carts backed way up 'cause you just can't pass in that area. Couldn't understand why they weren't on the sidewalk- I heard someone earlier say you could run into walkers, but there are very few walkers and lots of golff carts - my choice would be the occassional walker to not tie up the the golf carts.

OK, so now they shouldn't ride on the roads or cart paths. I see, they just need to be out of your way. By the way, those "cart paths" are actually multi-modal paths, and those backed up carts on the bridge are supposed to observe the 10mph speed limit.

[tzangrilli]

IF its the same lady, she usually rides down Odell Circle around Amelia and Mallory and I'm amazed that she is so brave as to do that, but Buena Vista??? Wow. Its not at all a hatred of bikers, its the fact that they are risking their lives in order to exercise. I agree about the incumbent bikes as well, I've seen them and if GOD FORBID, there was an accident, they would be history. I don't feel its the fault of car drivers because as we all know, S**t happens, so why take a terrible chance. I just don't get it.
What's an incumbent bike?

[LndLocked]

Idiot bicycle riders!!
Dog Poop!!
Restaurant was awful!!
I died and went to heaven ... it looks just like TV!!

rinse and repeat

[Chazz]

What's an incumbent bike?

I think she means "recumbent." From the gist of her comments, it seems she thinks that these are even more dangerous to ride in TV than regular bikes.

[graciegirl]

100% correct. Properly taxes pay for road repair and maintainence. If you use the logic of the license plate the poster wouldn't be able to walk in front of his house without a plate attached to is ass. By the way, bicycles can ride no more than 2 abreast which means side by side is OK.


:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

That mental image was a real coffee spit over this way this morning.

[CFrance]

100% correct. Properly taxes pay for road repair and maintainence. If you use the logic of the license plate the poster wouldn't be able to walk in front of his house without a plate attached to is ass. By the way, bicycles can ride no more than 2 abreast which means side by side is OK.

That's partially true; they cannot impede traffic if they are not going the speed limit while riding two abreast.

s. 316.2065 � Bicycle Regulations

(6) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway may not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing and shall ride within a single lane.
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Share the road, but do it responsibly on both sides, and everyone will be safer and happier.

[alemorkam]

Here is a question. was at the stop sign in sumter landing by movie theater.
over twenty bikes were at the stop sign. They ALL went in order leaving the cars to wait for them ALL. shouldn't they each stop and go one by one and alternate with cars leaving the stop sign in other directions.? seen this times before.

[Arctic Fox]

[/B]

That's partially true; they cannot impede traffic if they are not going the speed limit while riding two abreast.

s. 316.2065 � Bicycle Regulations

(6) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway may not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast may not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing and shall ride within a single lane.
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Share the road, but do it responsibly on both sides, and everyone will be safer and happier.

Thank you for posting that section, CFrance

However, we must remember that the SPEED LIMIT is the absolute maximum one may travel under ideal conditions, whereas the section refers to "normal speed of traffic".

Also, the section does say "ride within a single lane" not "ride in single file". Since motorists must give a cyclist 3' of clearance, passing even a single cyclist in the same lane is inadvisable on many roads.

[KathieI]

I think she means "recumbent." From the gist of her comments, it seems she thinks that these are even more dangerous to ride in TV than regular bikes.

You're right,, I'm sorry, misspelled it.

[davecz1]

Again with the hatred of cyclists?

Please read the rules of the road. In every state I know of cyclists are allowed to use the vast majority of streets that their taxes pay for. The MM paths are not the ONLY place to be.

It is inconsiderate drivers of autos that cause the problems in the majority of cases I've seen.

Could not disagree more. Cyclists seem to have this attitude that they don't need to obey the rules of the road. Running stop signs, crossing streets at inapproriate spots. I have found them to be rude. No use for them at all.chilout

[Arctic Fox]

Cyclists seem to have this attitude... I have found them to be rude. No use for them at all.chilout

Hey, Russ - this one's certainly not a cyclist-hater :-)

[tzangrilli]

There are over 50,000 cars and over 50,000 golf carts in TV many which ignore traffic laws everyday and your upset because maybe, maybe, a few hundred bicycles make a few mistakes? You really should slow down and smell the roses, it will keep your BP down.

[notlongnow]

It is a good thing that bikes don't poop, could you imagine?

[Barefoot]

It is a good thing that bikes don't poop, could you imagine?

Definitely deserves a best post award.:highfive:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

cyclists have the right to ride their bicycles where ever they want. The can chose to do it safely or die proving they had their rights against a two to three ton car.

First of all, I don't think that cyclists can ride where ever they want. There are definitely restrictions. They are not allowed, for example, on major highways such as I-75. I'm not sure what the law is regarding bicycles on 441/27 or 466. Sections of Morse have a "golf cart / bicycle" lane where other sections have multi modal paths. I know that it is mandatory for golf carts (unless they are street legal) to operate only in these areas. I don't know what the law is pertaining to bicycles.

Even if it is legal for cyclists to ride in these area, the problem is that if they make a mistake on a busy road and get themselves injured or killed, the driver of the car is going to almost always be blamed. In addition to the legal problems that this will certainly cause, the driver will also be haunted for the rest of their life. I ride my bike quite a bit in the Villages. Mostly I stay on the very quiet roads of my own little neighborhood so that I am not in danger of being involved with a car. On the occasions that I did venture bit further I always made sure that I stay in the golf cart only areas.

[cquick]

In my opinion that bridge by Sumter Landing is the worst area to ride any bicycle of all the villages that I've found so for. If I go across the cart path it backs up all the golf carts because It is so narrow they cannot pass. If I use the sidewalk on the bridge which is what I usually try to do and someone is walking then that creates a problem. Having said all that I decided the safest place for me was using the Street to cross the bridge. If someone has a better idea I would be glad to hear it.

Actually that bridge is very poorly designed all around. Not good for walkers, bicyclers, cars or golf carts......

[Chazz]

Actually that bridge is very poorly designed all around. Not good for walkers, bicyclers, cars or golf carts......

I agree, but I don't know what can be done, from a practical point of view.

[CFrance]

Thank you for posting that section, CFrance

However, we must remember that the SPEED LIMIT is the absolute maximum one may travel under ideal conditions, whereas the section refers to "normal speed of traffic".

Also, the section does say "ride within a single lane" not "ride in single file". Since motorists must give a cyclist 3' of clearance, passing even a single cyclist in the same lane is inadvisable on many roads.

Actic Fox, wouldn't the law hold true regardless? As in, if everyone is reduced to traveling 25 in a 35 due to road conditions, and the cyclists can't go 25, they should not ride two abreast?

As far as "normal speed of traffic," if everyone is going 25 in a 20, and the cyclists can go 20, do you think the law means they can ride two abreast or more in a lane? They would be obeying the law and everyone else not.
(It could still cause road rage in certain people, though.)

I uphold cyclists' right to be on the road. I also think there are stupid people doing selfish, arrogant things both in a car and on a bike. Hopefully no one gets hurt.

[ohiogolf]

I just got in from a long bike ride in the villages and read this stream of emails. I rode 20 miles on the road, not the inter modal paths; I wore a "zoot suit" of fluorescent green;and, finally, I rode on four lane Morse and BV Drives. Sounds like I committed three unpardonable sins and need to turn in my Villages ID and move back to Ohio. BTW I stopped at each guard shack in the visitors lane and was happily greeted by each guard who opened the gate for me. They obviously have not gotten the message on my violations.

Please folks, not very biker is evil just like not every dog walker, cart driver or roundabout driver is evil. We are Villagers who sit at the table with you at club meetings, are your neighbors down the street, and are dancing next to you at the town squares.

[CFrance]

It is a good thing that bikes don't poop, could you imagine?

Now that's just funny!

[CFrance]

I just got in from a long bike ride in the villages and read this stream of emails. I rode 20 miles on the road, not the inter modal paths; I wore a "zoot suit" of fluorescent green;and, finally, I rode on four lane Morse and BV Drives. Sounds like I committed three unpardonable sins and need to turn in my Villages ID and move back to Ohio. BTW I stopped at each guard shack in the visitors lane and was happily greeted by each guard who opened the gate for me. They obviously have not gotten the message on my violations.

Please folks, not very biker is evil just like not every dog walker, cart driver or roundabout driver is evil. We are Villagers who sit at the table with you at club meetings, are your neighbors down the street, and are dancing next to you at the town squares.

I am happy for the "zoot suits." Bring 'em on! They are very visible to drivers.

[BobnBev]

Here is a question. was at the stop sign in sumter landing by movie theater.
over twenty bikes were at the stop sign. They ALL went in order leaving the cars to wait for them ALL. shouldn't they each stop and go one by one and alternate with cars leaving the stop sign in other directions.? seen this times before.

I thought that intersection was controlled by a flashing red traffic signal.

Let the 20 go. What's the big deal. Better they are in front of you anyways. Don't sweat the small stuff. Life's too short as it is.

[coffeebean]

I saw a group of 12 out this morning, all wearing matching little zoot suits and riding in 3's down 441...blocking traffic in back of them, refusing to go into a single line and allowing people to pass. They were completely blocking the right lane and snarling traffic for at least a half mile. Hatred of cyclists? Yeah, when they act like this!!

That sounds like they should have been ticketed by the police. That just does not sound safe nor legal to me. I'm not a cyclist so I may not know all the rules of the road when it comes to that sport, however.

[Arctic Fox]

Actic Fox, wouldn't the law hold true regardless? As in, if everyone is reduced to traveling 25 in a 35 due to road conditions, and the cyclists can't go 25, they should not ride two abreast?

As far as "normal speed of traffic," if everyone is going 25 in a 20, and the cyclists can go 20, do you think the law means they can ride two abreast or more in a lane? They would be obeying the law and everyone else not.

I certainly agree with your thinking, CFrance, that it is safer to cycle in single file on a major road - I was just pointing out that the Section did not specify that.

And so many motorists - not just in TV - see a speed limit sign and get annoyed that not everyone is travelling right at that maximum. There are many reasons for going slower - road or weather conditions, looking for a turning, approaching a junction or roundabout - yet many people consider it mandatory to always drive as fast as legally allowed, or faster.

[Mikeod]

I agree, but I don't know what can be done, from a practical point of view.

Actually, nothing will be done. Discussions about the bridge regarding the width of the cart lanes has occurred many times before with the VCDD and Ms. Tutt was emphatic that the bridge cannot and will not be altered. The sidewalks have to be the width they are due to access laws for disabilities. To widen the entire span is cost prohibitive. If all vehicles observed the posted 10mph limit on the path, it wouldn't be as difficult to cross.

[coffeebean]

What's an incumbent bike?

The bicyclist rides the bike in a recumbent position.

Recumbent bicycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumbent_bicycle)

[coffeebean]

It is a good thing that bikes don't poop, could you imagine?

Too funny. Glad I was finished with my coffee.

[coffeebean]

Actually that bridge is very poorly designed all around. Not good for walkers, bicyclers, cars or golf carts......

I think if the developer had to build that bridge today, we would be talking about another animal. Live and learn and improve on what does not work.

[coffeebean]

I thought that intersection was controlled by a flashing red traffic signal.

Let the 20 go. What's the big deal. Better they are in front of you anyways. Don't sweat the small stuff. Life's too short as it is.

What actually is the correct rule of the road when this situation comes up? Seems to me it should be treated as a four way stop....no???

[paulandjean]

Actually, nothing will be done. Discussions about the bridge regarding the width of the cart lanes has occurred many times before with the VCDD and Ms. Tutt was emphatic that the bridge cannot and will not be altered. The sidewalks have to be the width they are due to access laws for disabilities. To widen the entire span is cost prohibitive. If all vehicles observed the posted 10mph limit on the path, it wouldn't be as difficult to cross.

The bridge is fine. I see nothing wrong with it. Just do what the signs are posted at. car, cart ,bike walker, it is all fine.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

....... Sounds like I committed three unpardonable sins and need to turn in my Villages ID and move back to Ohio. ..........

Trust me, ohiogolf - do NOT move back to OH. It's too cold and snowy up here right now!!!!! :D

Bill :)

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

They don't have special privileges. They have the privilege to share the road as outlined by FL law (here is one link that may help you learn the law: Florida Bicycle Laws (http://www.floridabicycle.org/rules/bikelaw.html)). You are correct that they are not licensed. I was referring to property taxes which, in some proportion, are used for road repair, enforcement etc. If I'm wrong about that then I stand corrected (I couldn't find a detail of Sumter County expenditures from property taxes). But, regardless, the FL bicycle laws and rights are very straight forward. Like it or not.

Thanks for the link Russ. It gives me a chance to review before I move in and learn any specifics to make my rides safe and enjoyable. :wave:

[rayschic]

I think she means "recumbent." From the gist of her comments, it seems she thinks that these are even more dangerous to ride in TV than regular bikes.

Recumbent bikes are usually lower to the ground and harder to see if you're in a car.

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[Shimpy]

I guess they pay all of the same taxes that you do......property tax...auto license tax, etc..those taxes provide for the roads they ride on...you may ride your bike on those roads too. What gives them the right to ride on the road, you ask....it's the law!

I know it's the law perrjojo, and there are many unfair laws, but explain to me that while I pay all those taxes you mention, property, auto license, etc.,...... WHY do I have to pay a tax for a license plate to ride my motorcycle on the same road that you ride free? Every time I fill my gas tank which you don't have to, I pay TAXES. Why does the law give you a special exemption?
To tell you the truth It doesn't really bother me. I always give them more than 3 feet when passing and will always use the other lane if possible. I do get irritated when behind a group of bikes that intentionally won't let me pass to prove their point that they have every right on the road as me. Here in TV that's rare, but very common in S. Florida.

[perrjojo]

I know it's the law perrjojo, and there are many unfair laws, but explain to me that while I pay all those taxes you mention, property, auto license, etc.,...... WHY do I have to pay a tax for a license plate to ride my motorcycle on the same road that you ride free? Every time I fill my gas tank which you don't have to, I pay TAXES. Why does the law give you a special exemption?
To tell you the truth It doesn't really bother me. I always give them more than 3 feet when passing and will always use the other lane if possible. I do get irritated when behind a group of bikes that intentionally won't let me pass to prove their point that they have every right on the road as me. Here in TV that's rare, but very common in S. Florida.

I understand your reasoning but you could also ride a bike if you so choose and without any additional fee. In fact if you rode a bike you wouldn't have to buy that high priced gas with all of the taxes. Why do motorcycles pay a lower tag fee than cars and why do 18 wheelers pay more? The impact on the road ways is much less for a bicycle than an automobile or a truck, hence the difference. Of course you get irritated at inconsiderate cyclist, just as you would get irritated at inconsiderate motorist. We all run into those that don't seem to think the rules apply to them. I have always thought riding a motorcycle would be fun but just as there are cyclist that seem to want "to prove their point"; I am amazed at how often I see people on motorcycles that seem to have a death wish. Enjoy your bike while can as I can't ride my bicycle any more. I used to put in over 2500 miles a year. Did several 100 milers and even a one week 500 mile ride.

[CFrance]

I understand your reasoning but you could also ride a bike if you so choose and without any additional fee. In fact if you rode a bike you wouldn't have to buy that high priced gas with all of the taxes. Why do motorcycles pay a lower tag fee than cars and why do 18 wheelers pay more? The impact on the road ways is much less for a bicycle than an automobile or a truck, hence the difference. Of course you get irritated at inconsiderate cyclist, just as you would get irritated at inconsiderate motorist. We all run into those that don't seem to think the rules apply to them. I have always thought riding a motorcycle would be fun but just as there are cyclist that seem to want "to prove their point"; I am amazed at how often I see people on motorcycles that seem to have a death wish. Enjoy your bike while can as I can't ride my bicycle any more. I used to put in over 2500 miles a year. Did several 100 milers and even a one week 500 mile ride.

This is a good point that I never thought of when I've wondered why bicycles can use the roads but don't have to be licensed. Plus, I would guess most cyclists are also motorists, so they are paying the road taxes through car ownership. Thanks for pointing that out, perrjojo, and I am sorry you cannot ride your bike anymore. I've had to give up a sport I love due to joint deterioration, and I know how disappointing it is.

[Shimpy]

Enjoy your bike while can as I can't ride my bicycle any more. I used to put in over 2500 miles a year. Did several 100 milers and even a one week 500 mile ride.

Perrjojo, I'm impressed to be sure of the miles you have ridden and can't imagine doing that myself even when I was young on what we called an English Racer 3 speed. Back in the 50's that replaced the regular bicycle with coaster brakes and was high tech. I'd be on a bike myself if it wasn't for my knees giving me trouble. I love my motorcycle and my Iron Butt qualifying ride was 1026 miles in one day, (17 hours) Whatever your riding it's great to get out and experience the fresh smells and freedom of the road. Of course the exercise on a bicycle is a big plus.

[CaptJohn]

Trust me, ohiogolf - do NOT move back to OH. It's too cold and snowy up here right now!!!!! :D

Bill :)

That is good advice, Bill, but I wonder why somebody (especially one in Granville) would stay in Ahia in winter when they have a nice warm house in sunny and warm outdoors Florida? (and working a job is no excuse!). I'm going to call my friend in Waynesville to verify your 'cold and snow' story!

PS. I was expecting a comment from you on the bicycle poop post. :laugh: Unfreeze and get your fertile mind working! :popcorn:

[Bill-n-Brillo]

That is good advice, Bill, but I wonder why somebody (especially one in Granville) would stay in Ahia in winter when they have a nice warm house in sunny and warm outdoors Florida? (and working a job is no excuse!). I'm going to call my friend in Waynesville to verify your 'cold and snow' story!

PS. I was expecting a comment from you on the bicycle poop post. :laugh: Unfreeze and get your fertile mind working! :popcorn:

:a20:

"Working a job" (ie. working for health care benefits) is all we have to fall back on for an excuse......sorry, John! :shrug: But we're heading that way soon!!!

Staying out of the bicycle poop thing - I'm busy working on getting the popcorn popper back in service! :thumbup:

Bill :)

[CaptJohn]

:a20:

"Working a job" (ie. working for health care benefits) is all we have to fall back on for an excuse......

Bill :)

Health care benefits are the magic words. Watch for Groucho's duck to fall out of the sky! Very valid reason. The money is peanuts compared to what those benefits can do. I just made it to Medicare this month. Now for the fun to start!
Hurry home. :laugh:

[Russ_Boston]

It is against the law to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk...

While most riders know better it is not against the current FL laws:

Florida Bicycle Laws (http://www.floridabicycle.org/rules/bikelaw.html)