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01-28-2013, 04:45 PM
NOVA Water Filtrations
I want to thank all my clients for trusting us with their water filtration systems, for the past three years. As a fellow Villager I understand the water quality here in The Villages.
As most of you may have read my background has been designing and installing water filtrations systems for aquariums since 1974 on Long Island. Fish actually require better water chemistry then us.
So it is with that background I can offer superior filtration options on three levels.
My proprietary custom designed Triple Whole House Filter is the mainstay of this business and have installed many here that have had positive reviews not only on TOV but word of mouth.
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We are now going offer Reverse Osmosis (also called RO) filters with are 4 stage filters mounted adjacent to your kitchen sink for the purest water. W offer designer faucets to complement your existing faucet or sink. There are others offering these for upwards of $600.
We can offer these with better quality at an introductory price of $299! (Granite counters slightly higher)
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I know I said in the past that you don’t need a water softener; however, due to demand I will now offer them at an introductory price of $999.
However, while there are some benefits I think our Triple Whole House filter meets the needs here. But those that wish to have them can call us.
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Since I’m supposed to be retired this expansion will require additional personnel, to that end my son Brad has decided to relocate here, he is a Navy Vet and has working experience in the family run Aquarium stores for over 20 Years.
For further info and details my direct Cell 631.338.1048
Main phone 352.566.2649
Thanks
Bob & Brad
Nova Filtration
02-06-2013, 06:07 PM
A bit of back ground on myself I’ve been in the aquarium (pet) industry over 35 years, during that time specializing in ponds, fish and reef tanks. Reef tanks demand a very high quality of water and some of the larger systems have upwards of $40K invested in its livestock.
For many years we have been selling the source water filtration systems for these aquariums in our stores and an authorized dealer.
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The basic system is the one I already mentioned made by Axeon Water Technologies. We have had good results with their products, they are I believe one of the largest manufacturers in the US and private label for many others. They also make RO units which we use on tanks all the time. In addition they also manufacturer water softeners but be mindful all their products are commercial grade.
In the Villages the water is hard, but water hardness is not harmful to us so the issue is do you need or want soft water. As you know folks have been selling these for about $2500 to $7500, we can offer a unit as robust if not more so with equal or better ratings and capacities for only $1499.
“AXEON Meter Water Softeners use advanced ion exchange resin technology in order to meet the most demanding water conditions. These systems are designed for maximum performance with a minimal amount of maintenance and comply with all industry standards and specifications.
AXEON Meter Water Softeners offer a new dimension in water treatment equipment and have been engineered with both the installer and consumer in mind.
AXEON Meter Water Softeners are effective in reducing hardness, iron, and regenerate based on measured gallon flow-through. AXEON Meter Water Softeners require periodic backwashing to dispose of accumulated hardness ions. Backwashing allows for removal of contaminants through regeneration with a salt or potassium solution”
Having said that, I myself will not being installing a water softener in my Village home instead I’m using a whole house filter or “WHF”.
This is a LARGE triple 20” canister including the all important carbon bloc, removing what I feel is the primary contaminate for us to ingest, cook or bath in.
You will notice in the picture there are two gauges on the unit these will indicate a drop in water pressure comparing the incoming to our going. Easily telling you when the cartridge elements need changing. It is estimated that these filter elements will last 9-12 months replacements are low cost.
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Notice the two pressure gauges!
So the question here is will a whole house filter “WHF” suffice to deliver the clean water you need or do you need a softener. IMO the whole house filter should be satisfactory for most homes at a low cost of not only initial purchase but replacement filters on an ongoing basis.
Lastly, if you decide to switch to a water softener after the getting a WHF it will work as a pre-filter removing sediments before the softener and the carbon can be used as a post filter to remove chlorine after the softener, so the investment in the WHF will not be wasted.
Just a note in any softener installation a carbon filter must be used to remove chlorine & other contaminates after the softener.
If you do nothing else get a whole house carbon filter for about $139.
The first shipment arrived of these great filters, I'll be installing one in my new home in the next few day and I'll post pics of the install.
If prefer to install the unit I'll give you complete instructions on how to do it.
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Nova Filtration
02-10-2013, 07:34 AM
In the past few days I had a few questions about what a whole house filter “WHF” such as this can and cannot do.
I thought I would share with you that info.
The purpose of this 3 stage filter is to first remove sediment in your potable water this is designed to remove this in two stages a coarse grade and then a fine grade.
Sediment filters stages 1 & 2
How it works: Water that appears cloudy or turbid is caused by particulates (such as rust, sand, heavy metals, or clay) found in the water sediment filters that remove suspended solids, variously referred to as turbidity, sediment or particulate. Also
In general terms, filters of this type are sieving devices. They are like nets that catch and hold particles that are too large to pass through the holes in their surface. Our filter will remove particles as small as Talcum Powder, that’s very small.
Water softeners do not remove sediment!
Problem with typical residential filters is it’s hard almost impossible to know when to change them, too soon you’re wasting money, this unit has two pressure gauges measure the differential pressure to indicate when the cartridge needs replacement.
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Next the water free of sediments is passed thru stage 3 the carbon filter bloc, having removed the sediment beforehand allows the carbon to effectively do what it should without clogging up with that sediment.
Just putting in a carbon filter alone isn’t nearly as effective.
Carbon filter stage 3
The carbon removes bad tastes and odors, including chlorine. Also can substantially reduce many hazardous contaminants, including heavy metals such as copper, lead and mercury; disinfection byproducts; parasites such as Giardia and Cryptosporidium; pesticides; radon; and volatile organic chemicals such as methyl-tert-butyl ether (MTBE), dichlorobenzene and trichloroethylene (TCE).
The following lists of features are what combine to create the type of filter that will remove the widest range of possible contaminants in the drinking water:
• Mechanical straining: the block of carbon mechanically strains out dirt, sediment, rust, algae, bacteria, microscopic worms, cryptosporidia and asbestos.
• This is all accomplished by water pressure so no electricity is required.
• Chemical bonding: As explained earlier, activated carbon bonds to thousands of chemicals. In fact, carbon will bond to most chemicals known to man!
• Health-providing trace minerals like dissolved calcium and magnesium do not bond to carbon and are allowed to pass through, thereby retaining the health quality and good taste of the water.
• Prevention of bacterial growth: Bacteria are strained out and remain on the outside of the carbon block. Therefore, because of the density and lack of oxygen and space inside the block, bacteria cannot breed in the medium and come out in the finished water.
Water softeners do not remove sediment or chlorine.
I have used this system for very delicate aquarium fish & live corals that are more sensitive to water quality than we are, it works.
If you still fell you want to go further there are two additional choices.
I personally don’t believe you need either one.
A water softener, but understand that hard water itself is not harmful to us, but having the whole house filter installed with it allows the softener to work more effectively and allows the salts to last much longer.
Reverse Osmosis “RO” is not practical for the whole house but can be installed under the kitchen sink usually for drinking and cooking.
In the alternative you can buy Aquafina bottled water which is RO water.
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jimbo2012
02-12-2013, 12:10 PM
Ok here's the one installed in my home.
The gauges show about 70PSI, that's great water pressure.
I don't have the chlorine smell that I had when using the garden hose that was where it was most evident.
Nova Filtration
02-14-2013, 07:05 AM
After a few days now there does seem to be difference in the feel of the water. :shrug:
Maybe it's just the debris out of the water along with the absence of chlorine, most noticeable in the shower.
I installed 4 so far waiting for feedback from those folks.
Putting in two more today.
Cedwards38
02-14-2013, 07:22 AM
Where are they installed?
Nova Filtration
02-14-2013, 07:26 AM
Here in the Villages.
Would you like to see mine here in Fernandina?
tag460
02-21-2013, 11:30 PM
We have had our system for about a week and what a difference in our water. The smell is gone and our bath soap seems to lather up better. I had two company's give me estimates and both wanted to sell me a water softener and a whole house filter system $2500 to $3500. This system does not take up any room in the garage and depending on water usage you should be to get a year use out of the filters. Job well done on the installation! Any questions PM me!
MR&VAF
04-27-2013, 05:53 PM
We agree with the above statements. Soap, and shampoo lather better, we do not smell chlorine at all anymore. We are using water right from the tap now. I think our clothes seem cleaner as well. Bob does a great job installing these, he is very particular about detail and how it will look hanging on the wall.
Great job! Thank you. ~Mike and Val
jimbo2012
04-28-2013, 01:46 PM
Thanks Mike, glad you're both enjoying the difference of really clean water.
Yours is the 22nd I've done to date.
zcaveman
08-19-2013, 11:36 AM
Just out of curiosity do you have any surveys/comments from customers that USED to have a water softener and switched to your product?
I have had a water softener for over thirty years. I lived in NJ and had a well for 25 of those years and the softener was a necessity to me. When I moved to TV I did not like the feel of the water so I got a softener and I am very happy with it. I started with the potassium one in TV and switched over to the salt one because the potassium was bad because of a health problem.
As an aside, what can yours do better?
Z
Nova Filtration
08-19-2013, 11:51 AM
Well since you have it and like just continue to use it.
No one has replaced it so far, but one homeowner uses it in conjunction with their softener.
First question does yours have any type of pre or post filter?
I'll assume it does not.
My unit placed as a pre-filter removing the chlorine will allow your salts to last longer.
Of course you will not have chlorine in your cooking, bathing or drinking water as well.
Additionally the other two stages will remove sediments and heavy metals, if you saw what these filters trap upon removal you would be very shocked.
So it answer to question what can it do better - it can filter harmful contaminates out of the water.
A softener does not.
Hope that answerers your ?
Mikeod
08-19-2013, 12:37 PM
Just out of curiosity do you have any surveys/comments from customers that USED to have a water softener and switched to your product?
I have had a water softener for over thirty years. I lived in NJ and had a well for 25 of those years and the softener was a necessity to me. When I moved to TV I did not like the feel of the water so I got a softener and I am very happy with it. I started with the potassium one in TV and switched over to the salt one because the potassium was bad because of a health problem.
As an aside, what can yours do better?
Z
Z, we had a water softener here for 6 years using potassium salt. We started to get a funny taste in our water from our fridge. We thought it was the fridge filter and changed it out but the problem persisted. Turns out the resin in the softener was leaching into the water output. It was going to cost $400 to fix the resin problem plus another $400 for a chlorine filter since they blamed chlorine for the demise of the resin tank. I decided to have it removed.
We got the Nova filter system in July and have noticed no problems with washing clothes, dishes, or ourselves. It is so nice to have no odor or funny taste in our tap water. The fridge filter is essentially superfluous. We are quite satisfied with the filter system and expect the filters to last about a year. I like the presence of the input and outflow gauges so we can monitor the filter performance easily.
If you decide to get one, I would suggest having it installed. I did it myself and, while it wasn't overly difficult, it did get a bit frustrating at times.
Nova Filtration
08-19-2013, 01:14 PM
Thanks Mike, glad it worked out for you.
Nova Filtration
08-19-2013, 01:17 PM
If you have a softener that you want to keep then it may be worth considering to have the Nova filter installed as a prefilter, that way the chlorine and sediment can't negatively affect the softener or its salts
zcaveman
08-19-2013, 07:52 PM
If you have a softener that you want to keep then it may be worth considering to have the Nova filter installed as a prefilter, that way the chlorine and sediment can't negatively affect the softener or its salts
My softener works fine. I am tired of keeping it filled with salt. I am thinking about yours since it uses filters only. I am in the very preliminary research stage.
Z
Mikeod
08-19-2013, 08:42 PM
My softener works fine. I am tired of keeping it filled with salt. I am thinking about yours since it uses filters only. I am in the very preliminary research stage.
Z
Z, if you want to see my installation, just PM me.
missypie
08-19-2013, 08:50 PM
A guy came by and showed pictures of what water heaters look after three years of hard water without these Softeners. What do you know about that?
Steveo
graciegirl
08-20-2013, 03:20 AM
A guy came by and showed pictures of what water heaters look after three years of hard water without these Softeners. What do you know about that?
Steveo
I'd say be very skeptical of the people who come knocking on your door if you are a new home owner.
Mikeod
08-20-2013, 06:49 AM
A guy came by and showed pictures of what water heaters look after three years of hard water without these Softeners. What do you know about that?
Steveo
We got a test kit to check our water hardness and discovered it measured only slightly hard. As I posted above, we have noticed no change in washing since the softener was removed. I think if we had very hard water, we would see changes in laundry and personal cleaning.
In a previous home we had a softener and had trouble with our water heaters. They accumulated small, crystalline deposits that settled in the bottom of the tank and hindered the heating process even though I drained and flushed the tank regularly. I showed the repair guy the deposits and he told me it was because of the softener.
So what to do? Softener or no softener, it seems you can have trouble. :shrug:
Love2cruise
08-20-2013, 07:18 AM
If you have a softener that you want to keep then it may be worth considering to have the Nova filter installed as a prefilter, that way the chlorine and sediment can't negatively affect the softener or its salts
Can you tell me where in the house you install this type of unit? How much are replacement filters, and where can you buy them. Thanks.
jimbo2012
08-20-2013, 09:33 AM
A guy came by and showed pictures of what water heaters look after three years of hard water without these Softeners. What do you know about that?
Steveo
Steve I had seen that BS also, if it were true every older home would have replaced their water heaters.
It is scam marketing at best.
Nova Filtration
08-20-2013, 09:39 AM
Can you tell me where in the house you install this type of unit? How much are replacement filters, and where can you buy them. Thanks.
We install it in the corner of the garage usually on the side where you have a small white plastic access door, most are on the outside wall.
Replacement filters for all three are about $65. We sell them but they can be purchased elsewhere.
But they should last 9-12 months depending on your usage.
Love2cruise
08-20-2013, 04:50 PM
We install it in the corner of the garage usually on the side where you have a small white plastic access door, most are on the outside wall.
Replacement filters for all three are about $65. We sell them but they can be purchased elsewhere.
But they should last 9-12 months depending on your usage.
Thank you. I will look into it when we are there full time.
DottieL
08-30-2013, 03:15 PM
Thanks for the info Mike,
I'll call you when we get to TV and get the system installed.
Nova Filtration
08-30-2013, 05:03 PM
Dottie, I think you may want to call me, Mike bought from us.
tks for the endorsement Mike
dbevins
01-03-2014, 10:21 PM
NOVA Water Filtration
Whole house triple cartridge filter
$369 for Unit Only
$495 for Unit and Installation
Water Softners commercial Grade $1,499.00 Installed!!!
Paying Retail really Bites!!!
Money Back Guarentee!!
631-338-1048
Bob
Village Resident
How much for the filter system and water softener installed?
dale_bevins@hotmail.com.
Nova Filtration
01-07-2014, 07:03 AM
Both units would be $1994, I suggest just doing the whole house filter and waiting on the softener.
Myths About Hard Water
First I would like to say that I advocate the use of a whole house
water filtration system rather or in addition to a water softener.
The manufacturer I get our filters from "Axeon" makes both so
it's not a matter of offering one over the other, but why spend the
additional money if not needed.
The World Health Organization says that "there does not
appear to be any convincing evidence that water hardness causes
adverse health effects in humans". In fact, the National Research
Council has found that hard water can actually serve as a dietary
supplement for calcium and magnesium
Myths
MYTH #1 - Water Softeners Are Safe For The Environment
Fact: Water Softeners Cause Considerable Damage to the Environment
According to Ann Heil, a Supervising Engineer of the Sanitation Districts of Los Angeles County, automatic water softeners waste
water and put a salty brine into the waste stream. High salts in the waste stream can harm aquatic life and can damage crops
irrigated with downstream waters.
There are many simple solutions you can take to fix any mineral spotting - and none of them require a water softener. A teaspoon
of Sour Salt will handle mineral residue in the dishwasher. Rain-X or furniture wax will minimize water spots on shower doors.
Finally, a whole-house water filter, that retains healthy minerals, will work great for bathing, cooking, cleaning and drinking.
MYTH #2 - Hard Water Is Harsh, Fades Clothes and Dries Skin and Hair
Fact: Hard Water Does Not Fade Colors or Dry Skin and Hair Chlorine in tap water does the damage, just as chlorine bleach.
Water softeners do not remove chlorine or chlorine disinfection byproducts
MYTH #3 - Water Softeners Filter Water
Fact: Water Softeners Do Not Filter Water;
They Only Exchange Sodium for Minerals In other words, water softeners convert dirty, chlorinated tap
water into dirty, chlorinated, salty water. There is still a need to use a secondary filter system to remove salt,
sediment and chlorine to produce a palatable water for drinking and cooking - but only at the kitchen tap. Dirty chlorinated, salty water still
runs throughout the rest of the home.
MYTH #4 - Minerals In Water Are Contaminants
Fact: Hardness Minerals Are Not Contaminants, Minerals are Nutrients
Scientific findings supported by research at the World Health Organization (www.WHO.int) have shown that drinking water
rich with essential minerals, specifically calcium and magnesium, protects good health and leads to lower instances of heart disease and stroke.
Fanman
03-17-2014, 08:33 AM
As soon as we moved to The Villages my wife noticed that water irritated her face. She had to wash her face with bottled water. We just had Bob install his water filtration system on our house and no more problem. The water tastes better, smells better and doesn't irritate skin. The installation was absolutely first class and the price was very reasonable. I would highly recommend it.
Nova Filtration
03-17-2014, 05:13 PM
That's great to hear back from you folks, happy you had such good results.
It's interesting, in fact another couple reported that their skin was itchy from time to time after a shower, now that doesn't happen with clean water from the filters.
Some people are more sensitive than others.
tks
Bureau007
03-18-2014, 08:09 AM
Do you sell them without installation?
Nova Filtration
03-18-2014, 08:14 AM
Sure, they are $369
Bureau007
03-18-2014, 08:16 AM
Can I come and get one I'm in Gilchrist is so when?
Nova Filtration
03-18-2014, 08:35 AM
Pleaese pm or email me your tel#
joyce beaty
03-27-2014, 02:15 PM
Was planning to wait another week to report experience with my new Nova Filtration, but too excited. Could not believe the immediate difference (4 days). My clothes are softer, and smell cleaner. My shower has no chorine odor and my hair and skin is softer. I personally did a taste test, using my water and Dasani-could not tell the difference. Bob did a wonderful job with install, and I appreciate his honesty in explaining I did not need a softener. I was skeptical, but waited to order one later from him. He was correct, and I am happy with the filtration alone. $495 installed, versus the $3000-$6000 quotes from other guys!!! Thank you very much, Bob, and my gratitude, as well, for your honesty advising me to wait to see if I needed a softener. Highly recommend Nova Filtration to everyone! :bigbow:
leej63
03-28-2014, 12:31 PM
Can post contact info for Nova? Thanks
jimbo2012
03-28-2014, 02:54 PM
tel # 631.338.1048
ask for Bob
villages07
04-28-2014, 09:17 AM
Another happy customer of Jimbo/Bob and the Nova whole house water filtration system.
Noticed an immediate improvement to the taste of the bathroom sink tap water. Makes that first and last drink of water every day much more enjoyable. :mornincoffee:
Also noticed the lack of white mineral deposits in the kitchen sink dish rack. Haven't run dishwasher or washing machine yet but looking for improved results there too.
Bob and his helper had some challenges with the install as my original plumbing made their job more difficult. But, he figured out a workable solution and got it done.
I, personally, am not a fan of water softeners and wanted a low maintenance/passive system to improve the quality of the water....this seems to fit the bill. I'm sure my plumbing fixtures and appliances will be better for it, too.
Forewarned, sounds like Bob is about ready to hang out the "gone fishin'" sign for the summer...so, as that classic rock and roll song goes...."See you in September".
Great job, Bob!!!:BigApplause:
jimbo2012
04-28-2014, 12:21 PM
Thanks, but more importantly I'm glad your satisfied,
I have two more units uncommitted for the month of May to install
DianeM
04-28-2014, 04:03 PM
When I first moved to Florida, I (like everyone else) was besieged with people calling me to test my water and install filtration systems to the point of annoyance. I figured - give me a break - water is water - and felt this filtration stuff was a whole lot of nonsense.
Over time, however, I began to notice that I was constantly itchy but figured it was a change of climate from North to South. A few weeks ago I got up to make my tea in the morning and noticed that the tap water absolutely reeked of chlorine. I got water instead from the filter on the fridge and thought nothing of it. Then the next day - it still smelled awful. This went on for several days to the point that I started to give my dogs water from the fridge filter.
I was reading TOTV and a woman wrote how her skin bothered her until she filtered the water coming into the house and the lightbulb went on over my head and I realized I had the same chemical problem with the water. I started investigating and was getting estimates for units up to $3K.
I came upon Nova filtration reading TOTV and long story short - Bob and his helper installed this system last Wednesday. They were quick and efficient and neat. I can notice the difference. I am no longer itchy and the water does not smell of chemicals. Tea and Coffee taste a heck of a lot better. My dogs are drinking tap water again very happily and in fact, they were both groomed at the house on Saturday and are not scratching themselves either. I am in the process of rewashing most of my clothes to get rid of the chlorine/chemicals that were in the water.
If you are considering a water filtration system - go for Nova. I have no regrets other than having waited this long.
ricthemic
05-17-2014, 06:55 AM
NOVA Water Filtration
Whole house triple cartridge filter
$369 for Unit Only
$495 for Unit and Installation
Water Softners commercial Grade $1,499.00 Installed!!!
Paying Retail really Bites!!!
Money Back Guarentee!!
631-338-1048
Bob
Village Resident
Could you give a website link on this system. Need more info on specs. Thank you
jimbo2012
05-17-2014, 07:07 AM
What specs are you interested in? Their website doesn't have much info other than size etc, it's not consumer orientated.
TNLAKEPANDA
06-08-2014, 06:38 AM
Can I buy replacement filter cartridge anywhere or only from you?
jimbo2012
06-08-2014, 01:20 PM
Sure they can be found online, (not in HD or Lowes these are commercial grade) but frankly you will not get them at our price.
TNLAKEPANDA
06-09-2014, 07:35 AM
Contact me in mid Nov. Can schedule then.
Thanks
Nova Filtration
09-18-2014, 07:12 PM
Shall do.
tks
capecodbob
10-21-2014, 08:29 PM
Got Bob installing a Nova Water filter system the 1st week in November. Can't wait to have the system up and running.
Bob
pvkathy
11-26-2014, 11:10 AM
Bob, I get no answer when I call the number listed. How do I get in touch with you?
Nova Filtration
11-26-2014, 11:36 AM
Hi, I'm at 631 338.1048
Bob
Nova Filtration
02-02-2015, 08:26 AM
Just a reminder to all our customers that have their systems over 12-15 months to call us to schedule cartridge replacements.
The price installed is $95 for all three and you will get the new 5 micron carbon.
(if you prefer to install yourself they are $70 for a set of three)
tks
Bob
Oneiric
02-20-2015, 06:23 PM
Would you please educate us on Salt-Free Water Conditioners vs. Salt Using Water Softeners. Costs, maintenance. Which we could use if we only care about scale/
Thank you
jimbo2012
02-20-2015, 06:37 PM
I have not seen scale in pipes here including homes that are over 15 years old.
Scale is more of a concern in copper pipes all the pipes here are CPVC (plastic)
The scale you may be referring to is claimed by salesmen selling water softeners, I assume that's where you may have heard that, if it's something else please explain further.
Oneiric
02-20-2015, 07:49 PM
Isn't scale the white granular calcium deposits found inside the water closet,along the edge of the pool,etc
Oneiric
02-20-2015, 08:05 PM
Again,could you please educate us on the difference between salt free water conditioners and salt using water softeners. Thank you.
jimbo2012
02-20-2015, 08:13 PM
The deposits your speaking of is surface deposits, I was speaking to build up inside of pipes.
surface deposits which can be wiped clean with CLR 2-3 times a year and be gone, no need for a water softener.
But to answer your question
Salt based water softeners use an electronic metered valve mounted atop a fiberglass resin tank that meter water by the gallon and then run a cleaning cycle when the ion resin bed reaches a saturation point. During the cleaning cycle, the electronic valve cycles a series of back flushes to purge the hardness particulates that have been captured from the system and flush them down a drain line. The sodium is also replenished in the resin bed during the cycle and all is ready to go again.
salt free
In the process above (true water softening), hardness minerals are actually removed from the water. In the salt-free process minerals are retained in the water, but their form is changed so they will not adhere to surfaces.
Water is processed through a catalytic media using a physical process called Template Assisted Crystallization (TAC). What happens is the hardness minerals are converted to a hardness crystal that is not able to bind to surfaces. This is actually water conditioning, not softening.
does that answer your question?
Oneiric
02-20-2015, 08:25 PM
Economics of each type of system? pros and cons? Maintenance costs? Thank you
jimbo2012
02-20-2015, 08:46 PM
We don't advocate the use of them, they don't actually filter water.
It is my position far better results are obtained with our triple whole house filter, at considerable saving and maintenance over other types.
see this page https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/water-filtration-systems-311/myths-about-hard-water-91472/
Oneiric
02-21-2015, 04:57 AM
Thank you Jimbo. Correct me if I'm wrong. It seems salt based systems are very expensive, often not necessary, and have high maintenance costs. Salt free water conditioners sort of polish the Ca and Mg so they don't adhere as much but they still end up being deposited after the water dries. i.e. expensive but don't do much?
jimbo2012
02-21-2015, 07:32 AM
That sums it up, that's why the Triple is the best punch for the buck under $500 and $95 a year maintenance.
I'm disconnecting another softener (my 6th one) this Wednesday in fact, replacing it with Triple
tommy steam
02-26-2015, 07:29 PM
A bit of back ground on myself I’ve been in the aquarium (pet) industry over 35 years, during that time specializing in ponds, fish and reef tanks. Reef tanks demand a very high quality of water and some of the larger systems have upwards of $40K invested in its livestock.
For many years we have been selling the source water filtration systems for these aquariums in our stores and an authorized dealer.
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The basic system is the one I already mentioned made by Axeon Water Technologies. We have had good results with their products, they are I believe one of the largest manufacturers in the US and private label for many others. They also make RO units which we use on tanks all the time. In addition they also manufacturer water softeners but be mindful all their products are commercial grade.
In the Villages the water is hard, but water hardness is not harmful to us so the issue is do you need or want soft water. As you know folks have been selling these for about $2500 to $7500, we can offer a unit as robust if not more so with equal or better ratings and capacities for only $1499.
“AXEON Meter Water Softeners use advanced ion exchange resin technology in order to meet the most demanding water conditions. These systems are designed for maximum performance with a minimal amount of maintenance and comply with all industry standards and specifications.
AXEON Meter Water Softeners offer a new dimension in water treatment equipment and have been engineered with both the installer and consumer in mind.
AXEON Meter Water Softeners are effective in reducing hardness, iron, and regenerate based on measured gallon flow-through. AXEON Meter Water Softeners require periodic backwashing to dispose of accumulated hardness ions. Backwashing allows for removal of contaminants through regeneration with a salt or potassium solution”
Having said that, I myself will not being installing a water softener in my Village home instead I’m using a whole house filter or “WHF”.
This is a LARGE triple 20” canister including the all important carbon bloc, removing what I feel is the primary contaminate for us to ingest, cook or bath in.
You will notice in the picture there are two gauges on the unit these will indicate a drop in water pressure comparing the incoming to our going. Easily telling you when the cartridge elements need changing. It is estimated that these filter elements will last 9-12 months replacements are low cost.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/7827d1356185145t-pool-chemicals-filter.jpg
Notice the two pressure gauges!
So the question here is will a whole house filter “WHF” suffice to deliver the clean water you need or do you need a softener. IMO the whole house filter should be satisfactory for most homes at a low cost of not only initial purchase but replacement filters on an ongoing basis.
Lastly, if you decide to switch to a water softener after the getting a WHF it will work as a pre-filter removing sediments before the softener and the carbon can be used as a post filter to remove chlorine after the softener, so the investment in the WHF will not be wasted.
Just a note in any softener installation a carbon filter must be used to remove chlorine & other contaminates after the softener.
If you do nothing else get a whole house carbon filter for about $139.
The first shipment arrived of these great filters, I'll be installing one in my new home in the next few day and I'll post pics of the install.
If prefer to install the unit I'll give you complete instructions on how to do it.
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I think this is good information , thanks Jimbo :wave:
birdawg
02-26-2015, 07:51 PM
The nova system seems real nice Are you a licensed plumber and do you have insurance.
Astropoint
05-26-2015, 09:35 AM
I am also interested if you are a licensed plumber and if your product is certified by the NSF under their NSF/ANSI 61 standard for residential water filters. When I search their website, I can not find a listing for NOVA, or AXEON in the certified filter database.
Please explain.
Nova Filtration
05-26-2015, 06:51 PM
I'm not a licensed plumber, but I have one that works for us.
All the filters are NSF certified.
Astropoint
05-30-2015, 08:41 AM
Thanks for your response. I'm really having trouble finding the NSF certification information for your product. Could you please provide the NSF "Performance Claims" and the Rated Service Flow for your product and the country of origin information. Thanks in advance.
outlaw
05-30-2015, 08:59 AM
Thanks for your response. I'm really having trouble finding the NSF certification information for your product. Could you please provide the NSF "Performance Claims" and the Rated Service Flow for your product and the country of origin information. Thanks in advance.
I don't think you will find anything under "Nova". I think the filter system is called Axeon, or something like that.
jimbo2012
05-30-2015, 09:21 AM
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Nova Filtration
05-30-2015, 09:51 AM
Thanks for your response. I'm really having trouble finding the NSF certification information for your product. Could you please provide the NSF "Performance Claims" and the Rated Service Flow for your product and the country of origin information. Thanks in advance.
the filtration is a max of 5 micron, the flow is 80 psi made in the USA
Maybe you should call us
outlaw
07-17-2015, 10:17 AM
the filtration is a max of 5 micron, the flow is 80 psi made in the USA
Maybe you should call us
Why not use a 1 micron carbon filter cartridge? Does Axeon make one that will work with your system?
Nova Filtration
07-17-2015, 10:48 AM
I can get 1 and or 2 micron carbon blocs, I use them on aquarium systems.
The issue is in a home using way more water than a aquarium it will clog or load in a few months (2-3), but if you don't mind the cost yes I can get them.
Generally WHF are 10-15 microns in the final stage.
5 is considered a very fine element eliminating most debris and chemicals.
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birdawg
07-17-2015, 12:52 PM
I'm not a licensed plumber, but I have one that works for us.
All the filters are NSF certified.
Does your licensed plumber pull a permit for the work and does he have insurance.
Nova Filtration
07-17-2015, 03:16 PM
Permit not required, yes he has insurance
Packer Fan
02-06-2016, 12:17 PM
Just read through this whole thread, and as a former Reefer, totally get what you are saying and agree. I do have one question - you don't really address Reverse Osmosis at all. The problem with RO is the flow rate, but you can get around that with a tank. Can you go over why you don't fee an RO system is necessary? Side note- looked at your website and you live around the corner from me - I am in Hillsboro. Probably will do your system next year for my renters.
Nova Filtration
02-06-2016, 12:46 PM
Just read through this whole thread, and as a former Reefer, totally get what you are saying and agree. I do have one question - you don't really address Reverse Osmosis at all. The problem with RO is the flow rate, but you can get around that with a tank. Can you go over why you don't fee an RO system is necessary? .
Well there are pros & cons with RO, at most you may want it for drinking and cooking but not anything else in the home, too expensive for the flow rate, yes a tank would work but then that tank needs a pump to deliver water to home.
All 4 of my aquarium stores on Long Island have such systems, I installed a 700 gallon a day RO with a 1,000 gallon tank and pump it to the fish systems for water changes and acclimation. Cost was about $6,000.
But the stores have about 9,000 gallons of fish & coral tanks
Back to a typical home
For that we can do a under sink RO with a faucet next to the sink.
But as you know an RO strips all the minerals out of the water, great for reef/fish tanks but most folks need those minerals.
So it's a matter of choice not necessity.
In my opinion, the water filtered by the triple Nova system more than meets the needs of having great water at a very reasonable price.
Did I answer your question with enough detail?
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jimbo2012
02-24-2016, 01:06 PM
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