Lane "surfing" in roundabouts

[Chazz]

I've noticed quite a few drivers making multiple lane changes within a roundabout. Wonder why they do this, as it can be pretty dangerous, particularly if they aren't the only vehicles in the roundabout. The situation I am writing about is when a driver enters the roundabout from the right or left lane, immediately changes lanes within the roundabout, then changes lanes again as he exits that roundabout. Of course, there are no turn signals evident during any of these lane changes.

[Bogie Shooter]

I've noticed quite a few drivers making multiple lane changes within a roundabout. Wonder why they do this, as it can be pretty dangerous, particularly if they aren't the only vehicles in the roundabout. The situation I am writing about is when a driver enters the roundabout from the right or left lane, immediately changes lanes within the roundabout, then changes lanes again as he exits that roundabout. Of course, there are no turn signals evident during any of these lane changes.

Because they are stupid............

[Jim 9922]

Here we go again:Screen_of_Death:

[OldDave]

Cannot have a roundabout discussion without me. OK, I'm done.

[Ooper]

They obviously do not know how to navigate a roundabout.

[DougB]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[NotGolfer]

Is this a rhetorical question?? Can't answer it as we don't know what the persons are thinking!!! Remember we're in "high season"...LOTS of new folks here or ones unfamiliar with the roundabouts! Just drive defensively!

[Chazz]

Is this a rhetorical question?? Can't answer it as we don't know what the persons are thinking!!! Remember we're in "high season"...LOTS of new folks here or ones unfamiliar with the roundabouts! Just drive defensively!

I didn't pose it as a question. However, it can certainly be viewed as rhetorical, anyway. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be limited to high season, albeit there is more of it now, simply do to higher volume. We all need to drive defensively, everywhere!

[JoeC1947]

I've noticed quite a few drivers making multiple lane changes within a roundabout. Wonder why they do this, as it can be pretty dangerous, particularly if they aren't the only vehicles in the roundabout. The situation I am writing about is when a driver enters the roundabout from the right or left lane, immediately changes lanes within the roundabout, then changes lanes again as he exits that roundabout. Of course, there are no turn signals evident during any of these lane changes.

It sounds like the driver was just too lazy to turn the wheel a little more and crossed lanes rather than changing lanes.

[Kateb1]

Because they are stupid............


We've seen some really close calls while drivers have been trying to exit the roundabouts. You really have to pay attention as some people just "don't get it" and sometimes just don't seem to care. I value my health/life and the appearance of my car (i.e., no dings!).

[NotGolfer]

Remember when exiting 3/4 of the way around, you're to be in the left-lane and crossing the right lane. Doesn't make sense to me...but have been told that's the way to do it. The traffic in the right lane will be cited "IF" they t-bone you at this time of exiting! That's why one checks their blind spots for cars!

[tzangrilli]

The sheriff could cure all the driving problems in 2 weeks. Just write some tickets and people start to pay attention.

[Serenoa]

One thing is for sure, TV needs to train & regularly review the basic roundabout rules with their own employees. When we were there for a LSV in December BOTH our trolley bus driver AND our sales rep were all over the roundabouts changing lanes willy-nilly like they owned them. I couldn't believe it!

But of course, I already knew the rules thanks to reading the numerous threads on roundabouts by the fine folks here at TOTV. You all are the greatest!

[HHMAN]

Rroundabouts do need careful navigation but I see nothing wrong with crossing the lanes if there are no other cards around you or coming into the roundabout. I do it but never when other cars are present. Just makes sense and there are dashed lines that mean you can cross lanes.

[jimbo2012]

I learned if going straight always move to the right lane until round, if not your chances of getting into trouble increases 10 fold.

[tzangrilli]

First, have a grandchild explain the diagram on the green sign that is just before every round a bout.
Second, if turning left use the left lane, if turning right use the right lane, if going straight use either lane.
Pretty simple, they are no different than any intersection that has two lanes going in each direction.

[mickey100]

First, have a grandchild explain the diagram on the green sign that is just before every round a bout.
Second, if turning left use the left lane, if turning right use the right lane, if going straight use either lane.
Pretty simple, they are no different than any intersection that has two lanes going in each direction.


Yes!!! Fantastic and totally accurate description of how roundabouts should work. I don't know why people can't grasp the concept - it really is no different than any other intersection, except its in the shape of a circle instead of a square.

[Baci514]

I guess you are talking about people like me. When we are going more than one exit we get in the left lane and then get off at the appropriate exit. WE NEVER CROSS THE SOLID WHITE LINES which is what people are doing when they ride the whole way around in the right lane of a round about.

[Bogie Shooter]

I thought this thread would end early, since we covered this all before. Boy was I wrong.:popcorn:

[BobnBev]

I think speed is a factor, they drift lane to lane.

[jimbo2012]

First, have a grandchild explain the diagram on the green sign that is just before every round a bout.
Second, if turning left use the left lane, if turning right use the right lane, if going straight use either lane.
Pretty simple, they are no different than any intersection that has two lanes going in each direction.

I disagree completely, if your in the left lane trying to go straight some dummy will turn left and cut U off or hit you.

Agree that's the way it is designed to work, but tooooo many don't get it.

[travelguy]

they must be from new jersey, home of the traffic circle. if you have never driven in new jersey and navigated one of the traffic circles you are in for a treat. the objective is to merge right into the circle(no yielding allowed), change lanes as often as you deem necessary, and exit as fast as you can.....and all of this is done without using turn signals or mirrors....just swivel your head around as much as your neck muscles allow! and it also is an added treat in that you can curse as much as you can and use all sorts of gestures. it also helps if you have your music turned up and the bass is a-thumping loudly!

[JoeC1947]

First, have a grandchild explain the diagram on the green sign that is just before every round a bout.
Second, if turning left use the left lane, if turning right use the right lane, if going straight use either lane.
Pretty simple, they are no different than any intersection that has two lanes going in each direction.

Yes, that's the way to do it.

[Chazz]

they must be from new jersey, home of the traffic circle. if you have never driven in new jersey and navigated one of the traffic circles you are in for a treat. the objective is to merge right into the circle(no yielding allowed), change lanes as often as you deem necessary, and exit as fast as you can.....and all of this is done without using turn signals or mirrors....just swivel your head around as much as your neck muscles allow! and it also is an added treat in that you can curse as much as you can and use all sorts of gestures. it also helps if you have your music turned up and the bass is a-thumping loudly!

Reminds me of the old Freehold circle of yore. Alas, they got tired of all the excitement it caused and it is now no more.:clap2:

[coffeebean]

Remember when exiting 3/4 of the way around, you're to be in the left-lane and crossing the right lane. Doesn't make sense to me...but have been told that's the way to do it. The traffic in the right lane will be cited "IF" they t-bone you at this time of exiting! That's why one checks their blind spots for cars!

I always make sure I am staggering any car that is in the RAB with me. This way there is no possibility of a T-bone accident.

Also...I have the mirrors set on my car so I have no blind spots at all. (Watched a video on YouTube which explained how to do it) I've been using this method for nearly two years now and having no blind spots in a car is like having eyes in the back of my head.

[Rebel Pirate]

If one could peak at the speedometer of the multiple lane changers, you'd have the answer; you can't remain in the same lane in a roundabout if you're going 35 mph.

[Chazz]

If one could peak at the speedometer of the multiple lane changers, you'd have the answer; you can't remain in the same lane in a roundabout if you're going 35 mph.

Ahh, I hadn't thought of that one!

[JoeC1947]

If one could peak at the speedometer of the multiple lane changers, you'd have the answer; you can't remain in the same lane in a roundabout if you're going 35 mph.

It's just about impossible to take a rab at 35mph unless you have a very nice sports car.

[CFrance]

If one could peak at the speedometer of the multiple lane changers, you'd have the answer; you can't remain in the same lane in a roundabout if you're going 35 mph.

Ahh, I hadn't thought of that one!

I agree. Also, I do think drivers have a tendency to "straighten out" a curved road.

[jimbo2012]

If one could peak at the speedometer of the multiple lane changers, you'd have the answer; you can't remain in the same lane in a roundabout if you're going 35 mph.

It's just about impossible to take a rab at 35mph unless you have a very nice sports car.

Like a Miata :coolsmiley:

[DDoug]

These circles are to small to be used the right way. There is suppose to be some lane changing when navigating them but the diameter is to small and not enough lanes. Drive up in Mass and some are a eight of a mile circumference. But just watch out.

[2 Oldcrabs]

Everybody out of my way. "I pay my taxes and will drive where and how I want to drive" Don't worry the cops are chasing the speeding golf carts.:boxing2:

[coffeebean]

I agree with others who have said on this same subject, one lane RABs in TV would be the answer. No chance for T-bone accidents and the RABs would be safer to navigate. Everyone takes their turn entering and exiting would be a breeze because there would be no other cars to deal with.

The argument for one lane only RABs is that would slow the traffic in heavily traveled areas. Personally, I would rather deal with the additional wait time to enter a RAB than to have accidents happen because folks are unaware of how to navigate the RABs.

[JoeC1947]

I agree with others who have said on this same subject, one lane RABs in TV would be the answer. No chance for T-bone accidents and the RABs would be safer to navigate. Everyone takes their turn entering and exiting would be a breeze because there would be no other cars to deal with.

The argument for one lane only RABs is that would slow the traffic in heavily traveled areas. Personally, I would rather deal with the additional wait time to enter a RAB than to have accidents happen because folks are unaware of how to navigate the RABs.

We would not get anywhere during the winter with 1 lane rabs. Personally, I don't see the rabs as the issue but rather the people using them. The rabs work well but too many people are distracted while driving or don't care or don't take the time to learn. Like someone else said, you can't fix stupid.

My biggest issue with stupid drivers is the Morse and Stillwater rab and the bypass on Morse right before the bridge. People coming up Stillwater want to take the bypass right after the rab so they stay in the right lane of the rab and go 3/4 of the way around. That makes it very difficult for a smart driver navigating the rab properly to use the bypass.

[Chazz]

...My biggest issue with stupid drivers is the Morse and Stillwater rab and the bypass on Morse right before the bridge. People coming up Stillwater want to take the bypass right after the rab so they stay in the right lane of the rab and go 3/4 of the way around. That makes it very difficult for a smart driver navigating the rab properly to use the bypass.

I know what you're talking about at that spot. Of course, the effected drivers could simply stay in the left lane which also would take them across the bridge (albeit without the bypass). Some drivers drive like they think that if they can't get into that bypass that they are doomed to a fate worse than death.

[Mikeod]

I agree with others who have said on this same subject, one lane RABs in TV would be the answer. No chance for T-bone accidents and the RABs would be safer to navigate. Everyone takes their turn entering and exiting would be a breeze because there would be no other cars to deal with.

The argument for one lane only RABs is that would slow the traffic in heavily traveled areas. Personally, I would rather deal with the additional wait time to enter a RAB than to have accidents happen because folks are unaware of how to navigate the RABs.
OK, let's assume we have one lane roundabouts. You would either have to create a merge situation on roads to reduce the traffic to one lane entering the roundabout. Now try to get onto Morse from Stillwater, or Odell, during the high season. It's bad enough with two lane roundabouts. You say that you wouldn't mind extra wait time entering the roundabout, but that supposes you are already on the main road. For people entering from a secondary road, it will become next to impossible to enter which will affect even getting out of your neighborhood side streets. Now, what are the paramedics going to do with traffic backed up like that?

Or, instead of a merge on Morse (or Buena Vista) you have two lanes of traffic entering the one lane roundabout. Who goes first, left lane of right lane? Or do they get out of their cars and duke it out? And, with the high flow of traffic in the one lane roundabout, when do they even get a chance to enter?

The roundabouts are here to stay as they are presently constructed. The design was a requirement in order to build TV as it is. All studies have shown roundabouts to be safer than regular intersections. The problem isn't the roundabout, or its design, its the people who can't seem to understand the signs or just don't care.

[JoeC1947]

I know what you're talking about at that spot. Of course, the effected drivers could simply stay in the left lane which also would take them across the bridge (albeit without the bypass). Some drivers drive like they think that if they can't get into that bypass that they are doomed to a fate worse than death.


Why should an affected driver have to compensate for an inconsiderate driver? That's part of the problem with this country, we're always compensating for idiots and they don't learn or care. People need to FOLLOW THE RULES! I refuse to compensate but I will take evasive action if necessary to avoid an accident.
There's a funny word "accident"

[coffeebean]

I know what you're talking about at that spot. Of course, the effected drivers could simply stay in the left lane which also would take them across the bridge (albeit without the bypass). Some drivers drive like they think that if they can't get into that bypass that they are doomed to a fate worse than death.

Yup...guilty as charged. I much prefer using a bypass as they are few and far between here in TV. If it is there, I MUST use it.

[coffeebean]

OK, let's assume we have one lane roundabouts. You would either have to create a merge situation on roads to reduce the traffic to one lane entering the roundabout. Now try to get onto Morse from Stillwater, or Odell, during the high season. It's bad enough with two lane roundabouts. You say that you wouldn't mind extra wait time entering the roundabout, but that supposes you are already on the main road. For people entering from a secondary road, it will become next to impossible to enter which will affect even getting out of your neighborhood side streets. Now, what are the paramedics going to do with traffic backed up like that?

Or, instead of a merge on Morse (or Buena Vista) you have two lanes of traffic entering the one lane roundabout. Who goes first, left lane of right lane? Or do they get out of their cars and duke it out? And, with the high flow of traffic in the one lane roundabout, when do they even get a chance to enter?

The roundabouts are here to stay as they are presently constructed. The design was a requirement in order to build TV as it is. All studies have shown roundabouts to be safer than regular intersections. The problem isn't the roundabout, or its design, its the people who can't seem to understand the signs or just don't care.

Agree there would have to be a merge to go to one lane and that did cross my mind before you mentioned it here. Also, I thought about two lanes approaching a one lane RAB....treat it as a four way stop sign or a flashing red light as each lane would take their turn. Right lane enters, then left lane enters, then right lane enters etc., etc. I honestly do not think the back up of cars would be that bad if every driver honored that practice.

I was not aware that these RABs are here to stay as they are constructed and this was a requirement of TV. If that is the case, then the discussion of one lane RABs is futile. It was just a thought.

[mulligan]

I've noticed that if 2 cars enter the RAB at the same time, one in each lane, they wind up automatically staggered. Seems to work fine.

[Chazz]

Why should an affected driver have to compensate for an inconsiderate driver? That's part of the problem with this country, we're always compensating for idiots and they don't learn or care. People need to FOLLOW THE RULES! I refuse to compensate but I will take evasive action if necessary to avoid an accident.
There's a funny word "accident"

Unfortunately, there will be some people who don't follow the rules; partly out of ignorance, and partly because they seldom face consequences. For the rest of us, we have to drive defensively. I drive with the assumption that other drivers will probably do something unsafe, or illegal. When they don't, I'm relieved; when they do, I'm usually prepared.

[coffeebean]

I've noticed that if 2 cars enter the RAB at the same time, one in each lane, they wind up automatically staggered. Seems to work fine.

That may be true but I've seen one car speed up and wind up right along side another car. I've witnessed this as I'm waiting to enter the RAB. I would hope that most drivers realize it is not a good idea to drive along side another car in the RABs.

[tzangrilli]

How about traffic lights at round about entrances and a concrete construction barrier to separate the lanes. In the center would be an elevated control tower with a traffic controller that would operate the lights as needed.
Or instead of the traffic lights gates could be used.

[Ooper]

a concrete construction barrier to separate the lanes.

Larger trucks, such as moving vans, use both lanes in a round-a-bout because of their length. Barriers separating lanes would not work.

[CFrance]

I was in a RAB today, in the left lane because I entered from Buena Vista going north and needed to exit onto St. Charles going west (in other words, if this were an intersection, I was making a left-hand turn, so needed to be in the inside lane). A car came along on the right of me and exited west onto St. Charles too, almost cutting me off, because. But here's my question... if that car were going straight from the east side of St. Charles, around the RAB to the west side of St. Charles, it was legal, correct?

If so, you could be on the inside lane, turning left, end up t-boning someone, and you would be at fault.

[msendo]

Didn't do so hot in the roundabounts on my first visit to TV. Yes, you're right, I didn't understand it, but definitely NOT stupid. Got the hang of it by my second visit, and will be absolutely fine when I visit in March.

[Mikeod]

I was in a RAB today, in the left lane because I entered from Buena Vista going north and needed to exit onto St. Charles going west (in other words, if this were an intersection, I was making a left-hand turn, so needed to be in the inside lane). A car came along on the right of me and exited west onto St. Charles too, almost cutting me off, because. But here's my question... if that car were going straight from the east side of St. Charles, around the RAB to the west side of St. Charles, it was legal, correct?

If so, you could be on the inside lane, turning left, end up t-boning someone, and you would be at fault.

The car coming from the east side of St. Charles to go west should not enter the roundabout until you have passed that point. If they speed up to pull alongside you and prevent you exiting to the resident side of the gate, I would just use the visitor side. Fortunately, that is more rare than the one going 3/4 of the way around in the outside lane.

[CFrance]

The car coming from the east side of St. Charles to go west should not enter the roundabout until you have passed that point. If they speed up to pull alongside you and prevent you exiting to the resident side of the gate, I would just use the visitor side. Fortunately, that is more rare than the one going 3/4 of the way around in the outside lane.

That is what happened. The car came out of nowhere, so it either entered behind me from Buena Vista and sped up past me on the outside lane by the time we got to St. Charles, or it came from St. Charles, passedm e on the outside, and exited onto St. Charles, cutting me off. The visitor lane was coned off for some reason, so couldn't use that. I just wondered who was right and who was wrong. (It was a big ole Caddylac, and I'm just a little bitty Chrysler 200 with a golf ball dent. Poor me, vote for me!):clap2:

I have thought about using visitor lanes in those situations, especially when someone coming from the opposite direction decides to enter the RAB as you are coming around in the left lane intending to exit. That seems to be dicey especially at BV and St Charles, the southernmost intersection of those two. There was an accident there last week where someone was t-boned at the St James gate.

[Chazz]

Didn't do so hot in the roundabounts on my first visit to TV. Yes, you're right, I didn't understand it, but definitely NOT stupid. Got the hang of it by my second visit, and will be absolutely fine when I visit in March.

I think many of us didn't get it right, when we first experienced them. I count myself amongst that group. Until fairly recently, there weren't the informative pictorial signs that there are now, either. Glad you've got the hang of it. :coolsmiley:

[CFrance]

I think many of us didn't get it right, when we first experienced them. I count myself amongst that group. Until fairly recently, there weren't the informative pictorial signs that there are now, either. Glad you've got the hang of it. :coolsmiley:

For me, it was someone on this forum who taught me how to think about a RAB, when I was new and whining. I don't remember who it was, so you can all take credit. It was the person who said think abut the RAB as a four-way intersection of two-lane roads. If you're going straight you can be in either lane, if you're turning right, you should be in the right-hand lane, and if you're turning left, be in the left-hand lane. Easy peasy, and thank you, whoever you were. (Who were you?)

[JoeC1947]

Larger trucks, such as moving vans, use both lanes in a round-a-bout because of their length. Barriers separating lanes would not work.

I think he was joking or at least I hope he was..

[Chazz]

For me, it was someone on this forum who taught me how to think about a RAB, when I was new and whining. I don't remember who it was, so you can all take credit. It was the person who said think abut the RAB as a four-way intersection of two-lane roads. If you're going straight you can be in either lane, if you're turning right, you should be in the right-hand lane, and if you're turning left, be in the left-hand lane. Easy peasy, and thank you, whoever you were. (Who were you?)

Beautiful in its simplicity! :coolsmiley:

[Ooper]

I think he was joking or at least I hope he was..

Why would I be joking? Think of a large truck such as a moving van or long trailer. The driver must negotiate round-a-bout in the outer lane. The trailer will be following with a reduced radius effectively trailing, at least, partially in the inside lane, depending on the length of the trailer.

http://www.ite.org/traffic/documents/jb09ba40.pdf

[JoeC1947]

Why would I be joking? Think of a large truck such as a moving van or long trailer. The driver must negotiate round-a-bout in the outer lane. The trailer will be following with a reduced radius effectively trailing, at least, partially in the inside lane, depending on the length of the trailer.

http://www.ite.org/traffic/documents/jb09ba40.pdf

Not you. I was referring to the poster who suggested the use of concrete barriers. I think he was joking. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that would never work.

[2 Oldcrabs]

I was at a Defensive Driving course for Seniors at the AAA office. The instructor did not know how to drive the RAB. She has lived here for about 5 years!!! Maybe sales people should show a film on how to drive a RAB before they show any homes. Could do the same thing for LSV. The Daily Sun could put something in every Sunday's edition. TOTV could have a video in the "top bar" for future vistors. There are many people "lost" when they first get here and do not read or understand the signs at the RAB. :boxing2:

[mickey100]

:bigbow:Beautiful in its simplicity! :coolsmiley:Originally Posted by CFrance
For me, it was someone on this forum who taught me how to think about a RAB, when I was new and whining. I don't remember who it was, so you can all take credit. It was the person who said think abut the RAB as a four-way intersection of two-lane roads. If you're going straight you can be in either lane, if you're turning right, you should be in the right-hand lane, and if you're turning left, be in the left-hand lane. Easy peasy, and thank you, whoever you were. (Who were you?)

[coffeebean]

Larger trucks, such as moving vans, use both lanes in a round-a-bout because of their length. Barriers separating lanes would not work.

Oops. Double post.

[coffeebean]

Larger trucks, such as moving vans, use both lanes in a round-a-bout because of their length. Barriers separating lanes would not work.

I have no doubt tzangrilli was just joking about the barriers and everything else that was mentioned in the post.

[coffeebean]

I was in a RAB today, in the left lane because I entered from Buena Vista going north and needed to exit onto St. Charles going west (in other words, if this were an intersection, I was making a left-hand turn, so needed to be in the inside lane). A car came along on the right of me and exited west onto St. Charles too, almost cutting me off, because. But here's my question... if that car were going straight from the east side of St. Charles, around the RAB to the west side of St. Charles, it was legal, correct?

If so, you could be on the inside lane, turning left, end up t-boning someone, and you would be at fault.

This is why it is so important to not be side by side with another car. You can get cut off sometimes but that does not cause an accident. Staggering with any car that is anywhere near you is the only way to avoid a T-bone accident.

[coffeebean]

Why would I be joking? Think of a large truck such as a moving van or long trailer. The driver must negotiate round-a-bout in the outer lane. The trailer will be following with a reduced radius effectively trailing, at least, partially in the inside lane, depending on the length of the trailer.

http://www.ite.org/traffic/documents/jb09ba40.pdf

Wasn't the joke about the concrete barriers??? Not the moving vans using two lanes. Longer vehicles such as moving vans have no choice but to use both lanes in a RAB.

[downeaster]

Larger trucks, such as moving vans, use both lanes in a round-a-bout because of their length. Barriers separating lanes would not work.

Excellent point, Ooper. Pickups pulling lawn equipment trailers or golf cart delivery trailers are also a hazard. They are nearly as wide as a semi trailer and sometimes driven by a less-than-professional driver.

[downeaster]

According to the rules of RAB navigation, if you are going straight you can use either right or left lane. In my eleven years plus of navigating our RABs I find it safer to stay in the right lane if I am going straight. I have seen too many instances of drivers who intend to go 270 degrees stay in the right lane and cut in front of the driver in the left lane who is going straight. Both cars may be going at a relatively slow speed (20MPH?) and in the same direction but there can be considerable damage.

Keep in mind we have any drivers from out of state who may have never seen a RAB. The signs are pretty clear but some people are slow learners.

[rubicon]

One thing is for certain that the discussion on this thread will finally get everyone going in the same direction. OH wait we have had this same discussion every year that TOTV has been online. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[downeaster]

One thing is for certain that the discussion on this thread will finally get everyone going in the same direction. OH wait we have had this same discussion every year that TOTV has been online. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Some subjects on this forum bear repeating. There are new members who may benefit.

The title of this thread makes it clear it is about roundabouts so those informed on the subject may not waste time reading.

[Chazz]

Some subjects on this forum bear repeating. There are new members who may benefit...

There are longtime members for whom a friendly reminder wouldn't hurt.

[Ooper]

I hope he was kidding about the barriers... lol

[ohhappyday]

I follow the posted signs, of course I'm normally going north to south through the roundabouts anyway. So either lane works for that :) I look at it this way...you don't know how to drive them, hope you're insured if you hit me. Go to the Villages district site and study up on how to drive them...they got a nice little brochure there for you incase the signage isn't clear enough.

[ohhappyday]

According to the rules of RAB navigation, if you are going straight you can use either right or left lane. In my eleven years plus of navigating our RABs I find it safer to stay in the right lane if I am going straight. I have seen too many instances of drivers who intend to go 270 degrees stay in the right lane and cut in front of the driver in the left lane who is going straight. Both cars may be going at a relatively slow speed (20MPH?) and in the same direction but there can be considerable damage.

Keep in mind we have any drivers from out of state who may have never seen a RAB. The signs are pretty clear but some people are slow learners.

Slow or Glacial?:duck:

[ydnar9]

What if you are headed north going into a RAB, and since you can use either lane supposedly if you are going straight thru, and you are in the left lane to go staright thru. Then someone on your right coming from the east heading west, who can also use either lane to go straight thru, uses the left lane to go straight thru, there would be a crash if you still go straight thru being in the left land going north. This is why I ALWAYS use the right lane when going straight thru regardless...

[rsetterlund]

Roundabout are dangerous and you always have to keep your eyes open.

I believe they are doing this to cut down on the tire wear that roundabouts cause. I have over heard conversations at some the tire stores that the roundabouts are causing tires to wear out before their time.

[downeaster]

What if you are headed north going into a RAB, and since you can use either lane supposedly if you are going straight thru, and you are in the left lane to go staright thru. Then someone on your right coming from the east heading west, who can also use either lane to go straight thru, uses the left lane to go straight thru, there would be a crash if you still go straight thru being in the left land going north. This is why I ALWAYS use the right lane when going straight thru regardless...


The first rule of navigating RABs is the vehicle entering gives way to the vehicle in the RAB. In your example the vehicle entering from the east must allow the northbound vehicle to exit from the left lane as it already occupies it. He should not enter until the northbound vehicle has passed.

Lack of observing the rules in your example are a big reason there are collisions in the RABs.

Your decision to always use the right lane is a wise one.

[tzangrilli]

Probably a good idea to avoid any streets that have a cross street with a stop sign because if someone runs the stop sign you might get hit. Same thing with streets with a traffic light. Someone going thru a red light might run into you even if the light is green in your direction.

[CFrance]

Probably a good idea to avoid any streets that have a cross street with a stop sign because if someone runs the stop sign you might get hit. Same thing with streets with a traffic light. Someone going thru a red light might run into you even if the light is green in your direction.

That makes for a lot of places I can't go!

[Ooper]

What if you are headed north going into a RAB, and since you can use either lane supposedly if you are going straight thru, and you are in the left lane to go staright thru. Then someone on your right coming from the east heading west, who can also use either lane to go straight thru, uses the left lane to go straight thru, there would be a crash if you still go straight thru being in the left land going north. This is why I ALWAYS use the right lane when going straight thru regardless...

Going straight is fine, but in your example, if the person coming from the east is stupid enough to hit you in the left lane by not yeilding to your right of way, what makes you think he won't hit you if you are in the right lane?

[CFrance]

Going straight is fine, but in your example, if the person coming from the east is stupid enough to hit you in the left lane by not yeilding to your right of way, what makes you think he won't hit you if you are in the right lane?

sigh.

(I think staying in the right lane for straight through makes a lot of sense.)

[coffeebean]

Please explain to me why a driver can not go 3/4 of the way around the RAB in the right lane if all cars waiting to enter the RAB yield to the car going 3/4 of the way around. I'm on my 4th season here and I'm still trying to understand why this is such a no no. If all cars stagger with one another while in the RAB and if all cars yield to cars already in the RAB, how can an accident occur?

[JoeC1947]

Please explain to me why a driver can not go 3/4 of the way around the RAB in the right lane if all cars waiting to enter the RAB yield to the car going 3/4 of the way around. I'm on my 4th season here and I'm still trying to understand why this is such a no no. If all cars stagger with one another while in the RAB and if all cars yield to cars already in the RAB, how can an accident occur?

Because.......

1) It's the law it's not a suggestion.

2) A car traveling in the same direction as you can enter alongside of you in the left lane and go halfway around and go straight.

3) There is no law that requires cars to stagger.

Just follow the instructions on the signs.

[Mikeod]

Please explain to me why a driver can not go 3/4 of the way around the RAB in the right lane if all cars waiting to enter the RAB yield to the car going 3/4 of the way around. I'm on my 4th season here and I'm still trying to understand why this is such a no no. If all cars stagger with one another while in the RAB and if all cars yield to cars already in the RAB, how can an accident occur?
OK. Look at this common scenario. Two cars side by side waiting to enter the RAB. Traffic clears and both cars enter the roundabout in their respective lanes. The one in the left lane intends to go straight through, which is permitted. The one on the right intends to go 3/4 of the way around, which is prohibited and which you feel should be OK. Guess what happens halfway around the RAB. The car in the left lane is blocked by the car in the right lane cutting in front and, unless that driver anticipates someone doing the wrong thing, there is a collision. That's why the right lane can only go right or straight ahead. The signs are clear.

To use the example of a regular intersection, what you are doing is making a left turn from the right lane. Definitely a no-no.

[Barefoot]

Please explain to me why a driver can not go 3/4 of the way around the RAB in the right lane if all cars waiting to enter the RAB yield to the car going 3/4 of the way around. I'm on my 4th season here and I'm still trying to understand why this is such a no no. If all cars stagger with one another while in the RAB and if all cars yield to cars already in the RAB, how can an accident occur?

It's a no-no to stay in the right lane all the way around the circle. You run the risk of T-boning a car that is properly using the left lane and making a right exit.

[Bogie Shooter]

If the above 75+ posts don't help you understand how to drive in a roundabout, here are hundreds more........................BTW they all say the same thing.



https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/roundabout-question-65256/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/who-knows-how-drive-round-bouts-56807/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/roundabouts-56058/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/new-roundabout-signs-48589/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/more-roundabouts-45264/

[CFrance]

Please explain to me why a driver can not go 3/4 of the way around the RAB in the right lane if all cars waiting to enter the RAB yield to the car going 3/4 of the way around. I'm on my 4th season here and I'm still trying to understand why this is such a no no. If all cars stagger with one another while in the RAB and if all cars yield to cars already in the RAB, how can an accident occur?

Be thankful you are not driving in one of the big European cities built around plazas or squares, with five or more streets feeding into a roundabout. If you don't know which lane feeds to which street, you could be driving around in there for weeks. On top of that, in some of them the rule is that people in the RAB must yield to anyone entering the RAB. You can watch this in action from the top of the Arche de Triomphe. Inside the crazy Arc de Triomphe roundabout in Paris Shocking Traffic - YouTube Frequently the result is... anarchy.

TV's roundabouts are pretty easy once you think of it as an intersection. I was a skeptic at first, but now I'm a believer.

[coffeebean]

OK. Look at this common scenario. Two cars side by side waiting to enter the RAB. Traffic clears and both cars enter the roundabout in their respective lanes. The one in the left lane intends to go straight through, which is permitted. The one on the right intends to go 3/4 of the way around, which is prohibited and which you feel should be OK. Guess what happens halfway around the RAB. The car in the left lane is blocked by the car in the right lane cutting in front and, unless that driver anticipates someone doing the wrong thing, there is a collision. That's why the right lane can only go right or straight ahead. The signs are clear.

To use the example of a regular intersection, what you are doing is making a left turn from the right lane. Definitely a no-no.

I understand what you have said. However...if both of those cars who entered the RAB at the same time in different lanes staggered one another, how can an accident occur? Let's see how this would work...

Car in the inside lane slows down so is staggered with the car in the outside lane. Car in the outside lane is now ahead of the car in the inside lane. Car in the inside lane exits the RAB and the car in the outside proceeds to the next exit and leave the RAB.

OK...let's do that the other way around so the car in the outside lane slows down to stagger with the car in the inside lane. The car in the inside lane is now ahead of the car in the outside lane. The car in the inside lane exits the RAB to go straight and is ahead of the car in the outside lane. The car in the outside lane exits at the third exit after the car in the inside lane has already made his exit.

My whole point and understanding of how to remain safe in these RABs is that you must stagger with any other car in the RAB. NEVER drive side by side with another car and you should avoid any accident no matter if you exit at the first, second or third exit while driving in the outside lane.

[coffeebean]

Be thankful you are not driving in one of the big European cities built around plazas or squares, with five or more streets feeding into a roundabout. If you don't know which lane feeds to which street, you could be driving around in there for weeks. On top of that, in some of them the rule is that people in the RAB must yield to anyone entering the RAB. You can watch this in action from the top of the Arche de Triomphe. Inside the crazy Arc de Triomphe roundabout in Paris Shocking Traffic - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BliGIPQ_KHc) Frequently the result is... anarchy.

TV's roundabouts are pretty easy once you think of it as an intersection. I was a skeptic at first, but now I'm a believer.

Thanks for posting the video. I noticed the lanes are not marked in the road. How is that possibly safe to navigate? Don't think I'll be driving there.

[buzzy]

I understand what you have said. However...if both of those cars who entered the RAB at the same time in different lanes staggered one another, how can an accident occur? Let's see how this would work...

Car in the inside lane slows down so is staggered with the car in the outside lane. Car in the outside lane is now ahead of the car in the inside lane. Car in the inside lane exits the RAB and the car in the outside proceeds to the next exit and leave the RAB.

OK...let's do that the other way around so the car in the outside lane slows down to stagger with the car in the inside lane. The car in the inside lane is now ahead of the car in the outside lane. The car in the inside lane exits the RAB to go straight and is ahead of the car in the outside lane. The car in the outside lane exits at the third exit after the car in the inside lane has already made his exit.

My whole point and understanding of how to remain safe in these RABs is that you must stagger with any other car in the RAB. NEVER drive side by side with another car and you should avoid any accident no matter if you exit at the first, second or third exit while driving in the outside lane.

This leaves too much up to chance. Since the drivers can't talk to each other, it's uncertain who is going to fall back. On the other hand, the existing rule is clear, and would always work if both drivers adhered to it.

[CarGuys]

Cannot have a roundabout discussion without me. OK, I'm done.

I got hit this week by a lane changer. Knew it was a matter of time. Cut right in behind me without looking

Lucky just tapped the rear bumper and the scuff mark rubbed out.

[coffeebean]

I got hit this week by a lane changer. Knew it was a matter of time. Cut right in behind me without looking

Lucky just tapped the rear bumper and the scuff mark rubbed out.

I didn't think it was legal to change lanes while in the RAB. That seems dangerous to me. Good you are OK and not much damage to your vehicle.

[coffeebean]

This leaves too much up to chance. Since the drivers can't talk to each other, it's uncertain who is going to fall back. On the other hand, the existing rule is clear, and would always work if both drivers adhered to it.

I always fall back and will not allow another car to drive along side of me. I also do not ever enter a RAB at the same time as another car. I will always let the other car enter first and will motion to the driver to proceed before me. I drive very defensively while entering, driving in and exiting the RABs.

I don't allow another car to drive along side of me on the open road either. I will always either speed up or fall back so I am not in someone's blind spot.

[Chazz]

I always fall back and will not allow another car to drive along side of me. I also do not ever enter a RAB at the same time as another car. I will always let the other car enter first and will motion to the driver to proceed before me. I drive very defensively while entering, driving in and exiting the RABs.

I don't allow another car to drive along side of me on the open road either. I will always either speed up or fall back so I am not in someone's blind spot.

You give a "GOOD" name to Jersey drivers! :clap2:

[tzangrilli]

The design of traffic circles is fine, it's drivers that cause the problems. It doesn't matter if there are 10 cars or 0 cars in the circle, it is wrong to turn left from the right lane and wrong to turn right from the left lane ---- period..

[mickey100]

The design of traffic circles is fine, it's drivers that cause the problems. It doesn't matter if there are 10 cars or 0 cars in the circle, it is wrong to turn left from the right lane and wrong to turn right from the left lane ---- period..

You are correct. There is nothing left to say. These people who get in the right lane and go 3/4 of the way around the traffic circle are turning left from the right lane. They are a menace. I just don't get how people think its okay to do that. What rationale can they possibly have? In any event, I think the only way to stop such stupidity is a police presence at some of the worst roundabouts. Buena Vista and Camino Real comes to mind. Getting a ticket is something they might be able to grasp.

[coffeebean]

The design of traffic circles is fine, it's drivers that cause the problems. It doesn't matter if there are 10 cars or 0 cars in the circle, it is wrong to turn left from the right lane and wrong to turn right from the left lane ---- period..

Sorry but must disagree. The circles are not configured like a normal divided road intersection. Of coarse, I would NEVER turn left from the right lane or make a right turn from the left lane on a regular roadway where the cross roads are perpendicular to each other. That is a sure way to have an accident.

The RABs here in TV has the driver veering to the right to exit all the time. Making a "left turn" from the right lane is not like making a left turn from the right lane at a normal intersection. In the RABs, even in the inner lane which in all intents and purposes is the "left" lane, the driver turns his wheel to the right to exit the RAB.

I have tried, (oh, have I tried) to enter the RAB in the inside lane at the Duval gate after heading north on Buena Vista. I make a "left turn" from Buena Vista but I have a devil of a time to move to the right lane after I've exited the RAB. There is such a short distance with the dotted line to cross to the right lane to go through the resident gate that it is very dangerous for me to try. If I don't change lanes in the dotted line area, I would have to cross over a solid white line. That is illegal too. I live in Duval so this is a daily occurrence for me.

I have observed over and over, folks approaching the Duval gate from northbound Buena Vista from the outer lane in the RAB. My husband always enters the RAB in the inside lane to make the "left turn" but he always crosses the solid white line move to the right lane for the resident entry. Either way, I guess we are both wrong.

[CFrance]

Sorry but must disagree. The circles are not configured like a normal divided road intersection. Of coarse, I would NEVER turn left from the right lane or make a right turn from the left lane on a regular roadway where the cross roads are perpendicular to each other. That is a sure way to have an accident.

The RABs here in TV has the driver veering to the right to exit all the time. Making a "left turn" from the right lane is not like making a left turn from the right lane at a normal intersection. In the RABs, even in the inner lane which in all intents and purposes is the "left" lane, the driver turns his wheel to the right to exit the RAB.

I have tried, (oh, have I tried) to enter the RAB in the inside lane at the Duval gate after heading north on Buena Vista. I make a "left turn" from Buena Vista but I have a devil of a time to move to the right lane after I've exited the RAB. There is such a short distance with the dotted line to cross to the right lane to go through the resident gate that it is very dangerous for me to try. If I don't change lanes in the dotted line area, I would have to cross over a solid white line. That is illegal too. I live in Duval so this is a daily occurrence for me.

I have observed over and over, folks approaching the Duval gate from northbound Buena Vista from the outer lane in the RAB. My husband always enters the RAB in the inside lane to make the "left turn" but he always crosses the solid white line move to the right lane for the resident entry. Either way, I guess we are both wrong.

I have to agree with the highlighted part of coffeebean's post. It is the law, so that's how I make a "left" turn, but several times I have encountered people coming up to the RAB and turning right, cutting me off when I'm about to make my turn. I think because I'm in the inside lane, they think I am continuing around the circle, when in fact, they have no clue what I'm about to do, and they're supposed to yield coming into to a RAB but don't.

Someone suggested using the visitor lane to go through a gate in that instance, so you don't have to cross over the white lines coffeebean is talking about. Can you use a card in the visitor lane? I would do that at the St. James entrance, which I use every day, if I didn't have to stop and push a button to get someone to buzz me through.

[Mikeod]

I have to agree with the highlighted part of coffeebean's post. It is the law, so that's how I make a "left" turn, but several times I have encountered people coming up to the RAB and turning right, cutting me off when I'm about to make my turn. I think because I'm in the inside lane, they think I am continuing around the circle, when in fact, they have no clue what I'm about to do, and they're supposed to yield coming into to a RAB but don't.

Someone suggested using the visitor lane to go through a gate in that instance, so you don't have to cross over the white lines coffeebean is talking about. Can you use a card in the visitor lane? I would do that at the St. James entrance, which I use every day, if I didn't have to stop and push a button to get someone to buzz me through.

There is a card reader for the visitor lane at unmanned gates. It usually is farther from the gate than the resident one. At the manned gates, the attendant will let you through without the need to push a button.

The ones that cut off your exit from the inside lane are entering the RAB incorrectly. No one should enter the RAB if there is a vehicle coming from the left in either lane.

[coffeebean]

I have to agree with the highlighted part of coffeebean's post. It is the law, so that's how I make a "left" turn, but several times I have encountered people coming up to the RAB and turning right, cutting me off when I'm about to make my turn. I think because I'm in the inside lane, they think I am continuing around the circle, when in fact, they have no clue what I'm about to do, and they're supposed to yield coming into to a RAB but don't.

Someone suggested using the visitor lane to go through a gate in that instance, so you don't have to cross over the white lines coffeebean is talking about. Can you use a card in the visitor lane? I would do that at the St. James entrance, which I use every day, if I didn't have to stop and push a button to get someone to buzz me through.

The Duval gate is a manned gate. I do not want to go through the visitor side because I do not want to stop for the gate person each time.

[CFrance]

There is a card reader for the visitor lane at unmanned gates. It usually is farther from the gate than the resident one. At the manned gates, the attendant will let you through without the need to push a button.

The ones that cut off your exit from the inside lane are entering the RAB incorrectly. No one should enter the RAB if there is a vehicle coming from the left in either lane.

Thanks for that info. I think that will be my plan from now on...use the visitor lane at St. James and watch out at the manned gates.

[tzangrilli]

And watch out for coffeebean because she is doing it her way regardless of the rules. Good thing the majority of drivers obey the rules of the road or TV would look like a demolition derby!

[downeaster]

Unfortunately a lot of drivers have a preconceived idea of what they think the rules should be and cannot be convinced otherwise. They will cite some situation that they think will support their position. If only they would take the time to obtain the brochure, study it until they understand it then follow the directions. It is not very difficult to do it right and certainly a lot safer for all of us.

[CFrance]

Unfortunately a lot of drivers have a preconceived idea of what they think the rules should be and cannot be convinced otherwise. They will cite some situation that they think will support their position. If only they would take the time to obtain the brochure, study it until they understand it then follow the directions. It is not very difficult to do it right and certainly a lot safer for all of us.

That's a good point. Unless and until you can effect a law change, comply with it.

[coffeebean]

Thanks for that info. I think that will be my plan from now on...use the visitor lane at St. James and watch out at the manned gates.


After traveling south on Morse, I make a "left turn" from the inner lane in the RAB and always use the visitors side of the unmanned gate to the entrance of Hemmingway. I will use the inner lane in the RABs when it doesn't jeopardize my exit from the RAB.

[coffeebean]

And watch out for coffeebean because she is doing it her way regardless of the rules. Good thing the majority of drivers obey the rules of the road or TV would look like a demolition derby!

I don't know if you've noticed but there are plenty of drivers who also use the outside lane to go 3/4 of the way around the RAB after heading south on Buena Vista to go through the Duval gate. Park yourself outside the Duval gate on Buena Vista and you will see what I mean.

I'm a much safer driver than most folks around here. I have my car mirrors set so I have NO blind spots at all. There are several videos on YouTube demonstrating how to set your mirrors this way. I've had my mirrors set like this for a couple of years now and it feels like I have eyes in the back of my head all the time without ever having to crane my neck around to see if there is anyone in my blind spot. I have no blind spots in my car. This works REALLY well for the RABs.

[CFrance]

After traveling south on Morse, I make a "left turn" from the inner lane in the RAB and always use the visitors side of the unmanned gate to the entrance of Hemmingway. I will use the inner lane in the RABs when it doesn't jeopardize my exit from the RAB.


Does that mean you will sometimes be using the outer lane to make a left-hand turn? What color car do you drive?

[CFrance]

I don't know if you've noticed but there are plenty of drivers who also use the outside lane to go 3/4 of the way around the RAB after heading south on Buena Vista to go through the Duval gate. Park yourself outside the Duval gate on Buena Vista and you will see what I mean.

I'm a much safer driver than most folks around here. I have my car mirrors set so I have NO blind spots at all. There are several videos on YouTube demonstrating how to set your mirrors this way. I've had my mirrors set like this for a couple of years now and it feels like I have eyes in the back of my head all the time without ever having to crane my neck around to see if there is anyone in my blind spot. I have no blind spots in my car. This works REALLY well for the RABs.

I have had my mirrors set up this way for ten years. And yes, it's a great aid. I still think it's unsafe to go 3/4 the way around in the right-hand lane. You may have eyes in the back of your head with this mirror set-up, but you nevertheless can't be looking in more than one direction at one time.

Plus... it's the traffic law. It's set up to keep everyone safe, not just one driver.

[JerryP]

And watch out for coffeebean because she is doing it her way regardless of the rules. Good thing the majority of drivers obey the rules of the road or TV would look like a demolition derby!

•2012 Florida Driver's Handbook - Florida Providers for Traffic Safety
www.fpts.us/documents/Florida_Driver_Handbook.pdf
5.15 -Roundabouts
Roundabouts are circular intersections with no traffic signal which improve traffic flow and reduce traffic
crashes. Roundabouts slow vehicle speed, give drivers more time to judge and react to other vehicles or
pedestrians. Drivers entering the roundabout must yield to traffic already in the circle and are directed in
one-way, counterclockwise direction. For multi-lane roundabouts, stay in the left lane to turn left and the right
lane to turn right, and all lanes to go through, unless otherwise directed by signs or pavement markings.
Stay in your lane within the roundabout and use your right turn signal to indicate your intention to exit.
Prior to entering or exiting the roundabout, drivers must yield to pedestrians in the crosswalks. Bicyclists
may take the lane in the roundabout, or use the sidewalk.

9977

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't know if you've noticed but there are plenty of drivers who also use the outside lane to go 3/4 of the way around the RAB after heading south on Buena Vista to go through the Duval gate. Park yourself outside the Duval gate on Buena Vista and you will see what I mean.

I'm a much safer driver than most folks around here. I have my car mirrors set so I have NO blind spots at all. There are several videos on YouTube demonstrating how to set your mirrors this way. I've had my mirrors set like this for a couple of years now and it feels like I have eyes in the back of my head all the time without ever having to crane my neck around to see if there is anyone in my blind spot. I have no blind spots in my car. This works REALLY well for the RABs.

This is REALLY scary....................

[Barefoot]

I don't know if you've noticed but there are plenty of drivers who also use the outside lane to go 3/4 of the way around the RAB after heading south on Buena Vista to go through the Duval gate. Park yourself outside the Duval gate on Buena Vista and you will see what I mean.

I'm a much safer driver than most folks around here. I have my car mirrors set so I have NO blind spots at all. There are several videos on YouTube demonstrating how to set your mirrors this way. I've had my mirrors set like this for a couple of years now and it feels like I have eyes in the back of my head all the time without ever having to crane my neck around to see if there is anyone in my blind spot. I have no blind spots in my car. This works REALLY well for the RABs.

This is REALLY scary....................

On a positive note, I learned to go to Youtube and find out how to set my side mirrors correctly to avoid blind spots!:bowdown:

[JoeC1947]

I'm giving up coffee!:ohdear:

[coffeebean]

This is REALLY scary....................

Nah....not as scary as you think. I'm seasonal so I'm driving in TV during the winter months which is the busy season. The Duval gate is very quiet, much quieter than the RABs close to LSL or any of the busier RABs. I do abide by the law and use the inside lane to make a "left turn"when I'm navigating the busy RABs. No worries.

[Bogie Shooter]

Nah....not as scary as you think. I'm seasonal so I'm driving in TV during the winter months which is the busy season. The Duval gate is very quiet, much quieter than the RABs close to LSL or any of the busier RABs. I do abide by the law and use the inside lane to make a "left turn"when I'm navigating the busy RABs. No worries.

Guess that explains it all....................

[BigBopper]

stupidity knows no boundaries. this is also what you call a 'road hog'

[Mikiem]

I've noticed quite a few drivers making multiple lane changes within a roundabout. Wonder why they do this, as it can be pretty dangerous, particularly if they aren't the only vehicles in the roundabout. The situation I am writing about is when a driver enters the roundabout from the right or left lane, immediately changes lanes within the roundabout, then changes lanes again as he exits that roundabout. Of course, there are no turn signals evident during any of these lane changes.

I have experienced the same thing quite often. Especially on Buena Vista

[downeaster]

•2012 Florida Driver's Handbook - Florida Providers for Traffic Safety
www.fpts.us/documents/Florida_Driver_Handbook.pdf
5.15 -Roundabouts
Roundabouts are circular intersections with no traffic signal which improve traffic flow and reduce traffic
crashes. Roundabouts slow vehicle speed, give drivers more time to judge and react to other vehicles or
pedestrians. Drivers entering the roundabout must yield to traffic already in the circle and are directed in
one-way, counterclockwise direction. For multi-lane roundabouts, stay in the left lane to turn left and the right
lane to turn right, and all lanes to go through, unless otherwise directed by signs or pavement markings.
Stay in your lane within the roundabout and use your right turn signal to indicate your intention to exit.
Prior to entering or exiting the roundabout, drivers must yield to pedestrians in the crosswalks. Bicyclists
may take the lane in the roundabout, or use the sidewalk.

9977

Good post, Jerry. There is an interesting and important statement which bears attention and I highlighted it. The pavement markings are significant in those RAB's where the exit route is one lane. Please note there is no mention of lane changing in the RAB. However the pavement markings control lane changes.

Be careful, alert and STAGGER.

[Bogie Shooter]

good roundabout thread, now over 100 posts and counting......................

[downeaster]

good roundabout thread, now over 100 posts and counting......................

It seems to be of interest to a lot of people. If just one of the posts clears up one persons misunderstanding it will have served its purpose well.

[Bogie Shooter]

It seems to be of interest to a lot of people. If just one of the posts clears up one persons misunderstanding it will have served its purpose well.

If only it would work that way. The posts are all opinions and each is a different way to get around. Some are totally wrong and if followed, one could end up in a bad accident.
It has been said many times before, on this and other threads. Just follow the signs that are posted before you enter the roundabout. How darn simple is that???

[Chazz]

...Just follow the signs that are posted before you enter the roundabout. How darn simple is that???

Apparently, from the many posts on the subject, not that simple in practice.

My objective in starting this post was to prompt a dialogue on the subject. Not just on the forum, but outside in everyday conversations. Hopefully, this will cause people to think about what they are doing, and maybe make a positive change. At least that is the hope.

[Bogie Shooter]

Apparently, from the many posts on the subject, not that simple in practice.

My objective in starting this post was to prompt a dialogue on the subject. Not just on the forum, but outside in everyday conversations. Hopefully, this will cause people to think about what they are doing, and maybe make a positive change. At least that is the hope.

Maybe you should look at the other threads on this topic. It has been dailogued to death.

[Chazz]

Maybe you should look at the other threads on this topic. It has been dailogued to death.

Thanks for the suggestion. Judging from the activity, there is some dialogue still left in this subject,

[Bogie Shooter]

Thanks for the suggestion. Judging from the activity, there is some dialogue still left in this subject,

It just happens to be the same dialogue over and over.................kinda like a dog poop thread.

[Chazz]

It just happens to be the same dialogue over and over.................kinda like a dog poop thread.

To the moment, I count 9 posts by you, on this message thread. If you want it to die, which is clear to me, why are you promoting it with your postings on such a "dead" subject?

[Bogie Shooter]

To the moment, I count 9 posts by you, on this message thread. If you want it to die, which is clear to me, why are you promoting it with your postings on such a "dead" subject?

Its my job.

[Chazz]

Its my job.

Good job! :BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

Its my job.

Bogie Shooter usually doesn't get into "back and forth" much.

He is from Ohio where they teach you in the first grade you can't win a pi**ing contest.

But he usually is right.

[mickey100]

To the moment, I count 9 posts by you, on this message thread. If you want it to die, which is clear to me, why are you promoting it with your postings on such a "dead" subject?

:BigApplause:

[BobnBev]

Its my job.Perhaps you should
look for another line of work.:boom:

[Bogie Shooter]

Perhaps you should
look for another line of work.:boom:

Careful now...............

[BobnBev]

Careful now...............
Careful of what???? Crossing the street....drinking sour milk....Just what should we be careful of?????

[gomoho]

On a positive note, I have never, ever, ever seen DOG POOP in a round-a-bout!

[Bogie Shooter]

On a positive note, I have never, ever, ever seen DOG POOP in a round-a-bout!

Finally an eye witness report!

[coffeebean]

On a positive note, I have never, ever, ever seen DOG POOP in a round-a-bout!

Good one!!! Thanks for lightening up a volatile subject.

[CFrance]

On a positive note, I have never, ever, ever seen DOG POOP in a round-a-bout!

I can take care of that, if you want...:kiss: