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Villages PL

02-23-2013, 02:43 PM

I did a search and found the following article: Myth 30: Lots of Milk Builds Strong Bones / Mommy Myth Buster

It's no surprise to me but I thought it might be interesting for those who have bought into the idea that dairy builds strong bones.

The reason I did the search is because I was wondering if the dairy industry advertises that milk builds strong bones. I don't think they do because if they did, I believe the FTC would get after them. But they don't have to because many people assume that milk builds strong bones when they advertise that milk is rich in calcium.

See if you can find any dairy products advertised as "builds strong bones".
I don't think it exists. And if it does exist, I'll call the FTC myself. :ho:

The book: "Building Bone Vitality" by Amy Lanou and Michael Castleman. (I haven't read it yet)

rayschic

02-23-2013, 02:57 PM

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graciegirl

02-23-2013, 03:01 PM

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I think so too.

rayschic

02-23-2013, 03:04 PM

I think so too.

You're too quick, Graciegirl
(I was having trouble posting the link)

graciegirl

02-23-2013, 03:09 PM

The Best Bone-building Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/article/324877-the-best-bone-building-foods/)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/rickets/DS00813/DSECTION=causes

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/feeding-infants-toddlers/milk/nutritional-benefits

rayschic

02-23-2013, 03:16 PM

The Best Bone-building Foods | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/article/324877-the-best-bone-building-foods/)

I'm actually a Hershey's Chocolate milk girl, but the Nesquick package says "Helps build strong bones for life" which is what the OP was asking about.
Think I'll go have some, right now. YUM

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 03:17 PM

graciegirl

02-23-2013, 03:22 PM

If you thought his purpose was to be disruptive, you were all for it, right?

No. I am a mother who has always supported milk for youngsters. I was kidding a little.

rayschic

02-23-2013, 03:31 PM

It's a chocolate powder that you add to milk to make chocolate milk.

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 03:32 PM

No. I am a mother who has always supported milk for youngsters. I was kidding a little.

How did you make up your mind that milk would build strong bones? Back when you were raising kids, before the internet, didn't you primarily get your information from advertising?

KathieI

02-23-2013, 03:38 PM

I'm not familiar with this product. Is it a dairy product? What the heck is "Powder Flavored Milk Additive"? Does it have a disclaimer on the back label?

Some vitamins make similar claims and then have a disclaimer that says it was not approved by the FDA

The FDA does not have any jurisdiction over vitamins... I think this disclaimer is on many if not all vitamin bottles.

"The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) does not have any role in regulating supplements because supplements are neither "food" nor "drug."

graciegirl

02-23-2013, 03:41 PM

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 03:46 PM

It's a chocolate powder that you add to milk to make chocolate milk.

It's a highly processed product, rather than plain dairy. My opening post was about dairy, like milk or cheese etc.. On the front label is says something about calcium but I can't read all of it. Does it say calcium added?
I'll have to look at it if I can find it in the store.

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 03:53 PM

I'm not familiar with this product. Is it a dairy product? What the heck is "Powder Flavored Milk Additive"? Does it have a disclaimer on the back label?

Some vitamins make similar claims and then have a disclaimer that says it was not approved by the FDA[/QUOTE]

The FDA does not have any jurisdiction over vitamins... I think this disclaimer is on many if not all vitamin bottles.

"The FDA (Food and Drug Administration) does not have any role in regulating supplements because supplements are neither "food" nor "drug."

Whatever you put in your mouth and swallow is either a food or a drug. What else is there? Therefore, vitamins, believe it or not, are classified as food.

Barefoot

02-23-2013, 04:33 PM

I did a search and found the following article: Myth 30: Lots of Milk Builds Strong Bones / Mommy Myth Buster.

It's no surprise to me but I thought it might be interesting for those who have bought into the idea that dairy builds strong bones.

The reason I did the search is because I was wondering if the dairy industry advertises that milk builds strong bones. I don't think they do because if they did, I believe the FTC would get after them. But they don't have to because many people assume that milk builds strong bones when they advertise that milk is rich in calcium.

See if you can find any dairy products advertised as "builds strong bones".
I don't think it exists. And if it does exist, I'll call the FTC myself.

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make. Is it that milk doesn't build strong bones, or that calcium doesn't build strong bones??? I drink almond milk which is advertised as having "50% more calcium than milk".

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 06:53 PM

I'm confused about the point you're trying to make. Is it that milk doesn't build strong bones, or that calcium doesn't build strong bones??? I drink almond milk which is advertised as having "50% more calcium than milk".

The purpose of this thread is to prove that there's no proof that dairy products build strong bones. If you search: "Myth 30: Lots of Milk Builds Strong Bones", you can read the reason why it's a myth.

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 07:10 PM

No. From a pediatrician. Also from the La Leche League.

Was your pediatrician referring to cow's milk or mother's milk? If he/she was referring to cow's milk it was likely mistaken advice.

Back when I had my tonsils removed, most doctors were recommending it for all children. Also, back then all doctors believed that if you lost brain cells, they could not be regenerated. They once believed in getting a yearly chest xray to look for lung cancer. Lots of things have changed over the years.

I'm not familiar with La Leche League. It sounds like something that would be sponsored by the Dairy Industry.

rayschic

02-23-2013, 07:24 PM

Why do you assume that La Leche League is sponsored by the Dairy Industry ?

LLLI | Home (http://www.llli.org/)

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 07:34 PM

I'm actually a Hershey's Chocolate milk girl, but the Nesquick package says "Helps build strong bones for life" which is what the OP was asking about.
Think I'll go have some, right now. YUM

After you posted, I went to Publix looking for Nesquick but couldn't find it. They had Nesquick products but not the one that says "Helps build strong bones for life".

However, while I was at publix, I did my research. I'm assuming that if the dairy industry were allowed make the claim for "building strong bones", they would be happy to do so. I can't imagine why they would not, with all the many women (and some men) who worry about developing Osteoporosis.

So I went around looking at all the many milk products throughout the store:

Instant Dry Milk (2 brands)
Sorrento Mozzarella
Publix lowfat milk
Sorrento Ricotta
Publix Yogurt

None of them said anything whatsoever about bones. None of the products said, "helps build strong bones". (Zip, zero, nada) They cannot say, "helps build strong bones" if it hasn't been proved. That's because they would be in violation of the law. Anyone doubt it?

senior citizen

02-23-2013, 08:20 PM

After you posted, I went to Publix looking for Nesquick but couldn't find it. They had Nesquick products but not the one that says "Helps build strong bones for life".

However, while I was at publix, I did my research. I'm assuming that if the dairy industry were allowed make the claim for "building strong bones", they would be happy to do so. I can't imagine why they would not, with all the many women (and some men) who worry about developing Osteoporosis.

So I went around looking at all the many milk products throughout the store:

Instant Dry Milk (2 brands)
Sorrento Mozzarella
Publix lowfat milk
Sorrento Ricotta
Publix Yogurt

None of them said anything whatsoever about bones. None of the products said, "helps build strong bones". (Zip, zero, nada) They cannot say, "helps build strong bones" if it hasn't been proved. That's because they would be in violation of the law. Anyone doubt it?

I think you need a hobby..........other than doing research at the supermarket.

I do believe it's the calcium in milk and dairy that supposedly is good for your bones........
LLLI | Home (http://www.llli.org/)

The Laleche League encourages and supports young mothers who are breast feeding their infants..........it's all the craze now.

What is old is new again..........and these young moms take it very seriously. Our moms breastfed us.......then there were the "bottle babies" during the Doctor Spock era........and now breast feeding has made a resurgence.

In all due respect, you've obviously never had children or you would know what those chocolate powder additives are......that moms used to put into their children's milk to make it tastier.

Many moms today do not encourage the stuff at all. All the little ones we know are on very natural healthy diets.....and begin their lives with breast milk. The nutrients that the mother eats are passed through to the babies and toddlers.........and yes, for strong bones and teeth. It's a no brainer actually. Calcium is the reason.

Yes, cheese is also a good source of calcium as the folks in the Nordic countries (Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc.) will be happy to tell you. Years ago when our Swedish sister in law visited America with her baby......she was a vegan and ate a lot of cheese while she was breastfeeding..........the child grew up strong and healthy and is now 35 years old.

senior citizen

02-23-2013, 08:27 PM

How did you make up your mind that milk would build strong bones? Back when you were raising kids, before the internet, didn't you primarily get your information from advertising?

I think you must be pulling her leg (teasing her).

New parents get their information from the pediatrician, not from Madison Avenue advertising...........

45 years ago , if not breast feeding, "formula" was used and bottles were sterilized......everything was sterilized as a matter of fact. Then foods were added little by little.......rice cereal, strained baby fruits, veggies, meats, etc.

42 years ago in Vermont, the pediatrician told me NOT to sterilize anything at all.......as that's how their immune system would better develop...........whereas with my first baby, in New Jersey, I had to sterilize EVERYTHING...........just three years difference. He also told me to give our son "table food" or whatever we ate.
Actually, that's just about what they do nowadays........besides the breast milk.

So, in a nutshell, moms get their information from the baby's pediatrician.

senior citizen

02-23-2013, 08:31 PM

Was your pediatrician referring to cow's milk or mother's milk? If he/she was referring to cow's milk it was likely mistaken advice.

Back when I had my tonsils removed, most doctors were recommending it for all children. Also, back then all doctors believed that if you lost brain cells, they could not be regenerated. They once believed in getting a yearly chest xray to look for lung cancer. Lots of things have changed over the years.

I'm not familiar with La Leche League. It sounds like something that would be sponsored by the Dairy Industry.

Now I know for sure you are definitely kidding...........you think that the La Leche League is sponsored by the Dairy Industry??????????

Are you male or female? What planet were you raised on?

La Leche League endorses breast feeding. Mother's milk.

Villages PL

02-23-2013, 08:51 PM

For the sixth time on this thread: The topic is dairy products.

Does anyone have any proof that dairy products build strong bones? No you don't because there is no proof.

graciegirl

02-23-2013, 10:38 PM

For the sixth time on this thread: The topic is dairy products.

Does anyone have any proof that dairy products build strong bones? No you don't because there is no proof.

Boy Howdy.

Carla B

02-23-2013, 10:52 PM

So, the jist of all this discussion is that they (the dairy industry) are apparently not saying their products build strong bones, but you are trying to catch them saying it so you can report them.

senior citizen

02-24-2013, 04:10 AM

I think you must be pulling her leg (teasing her).

New parents get their information from the pediatrician, not from Madison Avenue advertising...........

45 years ago , if not breast feeding, "formula" was used and bottles were sterilized......everything was sterilized as a matter of fact. Then foods were added little by little.......rice cereal, strained baby fruits, veggies, meats, etc.

42 years ago in Vermont, the pediatrician told me NOT to sterilize anything at all.......as that's how their immune system would better develop...........whereas with my first baby, in New Jersey, I had to sterilize EVERYTHING...........just three years difference. He also told me to give our son "table food" or whatever we ate.
Actually, that's just about what they do nowadays........besides the breast milk.

So, in a nutshell, moms get their information from the baby's pediatrician.

I neglected to add that the Vermont pediatrician told me to give our baby son COWS MILK.......not formula like Enfamil. He grew up to have the strongest best looking teeth......and so far, at age 43, good bones and is very very super athletic. So much for cows milk. Plus he has a super high I.Q. to boot. Don't be afraid of milk.

senior citizen

02-24-2013, 04:12 AM

Boy Howdy.

I echo Gracie......"Boy Howdy".

KayakerNC

02-24-2013, 08:41 AM

Barefoot

02-24-2013, 11:55 AM

:agree:
Kind of makes the purpose of the thread seem to be some kind of pot-stirring exercise.

It's the OP's hobby to get us all engaged and excited about nutrition. In my humble opinion, discussing nutrition is a good thing. But I sure believe the calcium in dairy products builds strong bones!!!!

Villages PL

02-24-2013, 02:56 PM

So, the jist of all this discussion is that they (the dairy industry) are apparently not saying their products build strong bones, but you are trying to catch them saying it so you can report them.

Well, I know that a lot of people are big believers so I put out a challenge. In so doing, I took a risk because I had not checked out all the dairy products in the supermarket. It was only after I heard about Nesquik that I decided I had better go to the store and check things out. I made the challenge on faith (backed up by my general knowledge on the subject) and I was right.
The dairy industry isn't making any claims on their products about building strong bones. And I believe they certainly would if they could.

I can't very well call the FTC and complain about Nesquik because they would want information that I don't have. I have never seen the actual product. I can't complain based on second hand information.

P.S. I just remembered your post on a thread I started over a year ago. I remember because it made me laugh. I can't remember the whole comment anymore but it started with, "Holy cow!" I believe the thread was about what people would have to do to qualify to become members of The Villages Health Care Clinic. They would have to prove they are not overweight. Ha! Very nice memories.

Cisco Kid

02-24-2013, 03:11 PM

Howdy boy !

Villages PL

02-24-2013, 03:14 PM

I neglected to add that the Vermont pediatrician told me to give our baby son COWS MILK.......not formula like Enfamil. He grew up to have the strongest best looking teeth......and so far, at age 43, good bones and is very very super athletic. So much for cows milk. Plus he has a super high I.Q. to boot. Don't be afraid of milk.

If the dairy industry could use your anecdote to get permission from the FDA to make their claim, they would. But, unfortunately for them, they can't because anecdotes don't constitute conclusive proof.

Villages PL

02-24-2013, 03:19 PM

I echo Gracie......"Boy Howdy".

Hey, that's not fair, I was going to echo it.

Villages PL

02-24-2013, 03:29 PM

:agree: Kind of makes the purpose of the thread seem to be some kind of pot-stirring exercise.

No, the purpose was to try out an idea that just came to me suddenly. For years I have tried to prove to people that milk does not build strong bones but I couldn't quite get a handle on it. Then suddenly it occured to me, out of the blue, that not even the dairy industry itself was claiming that milk builds strong bones. So that was the impetus for this thread.

Villages PL

02-24-2013, 03:46 PM

It's the OP's hobby to get us all engaged and excited about nutrition. In my humble opinion, discussing nutrition is a good thing. But I sure believe the calcium in dairy products builds strong bones!!!!

Thanks for your kind words. I think I know what might win you over. With out a doubt the best book I have ever read on the subject of Osteoporosis is: "The Myth Of Osteoporosis" by Gillian Sanson.

I checked it out from The Villages Library around 2010 but it took a long time because they had to borrow it from another county. And a few months ago I went threw it all over again to refresh my memory. I should have bought the book to keep as a reference, I think it's about $27.00 . But I would like to see an updated version before spending that much for something I don't really need for my own health.

To be continued: (don't go away):)

Villages PL

02-24-2013, 04:13 PM

I don't want to tax my memory too much :) but here are some tidbits I remember very clearly that I think you will find interesting:

Bone density does not correlate with bone strength. One person may have high bone density but weak bones while another may have low bone density and strong bones.

Also, as you might imagine, it's possible to build bone density while at the same time the bone remains weak. It fits in with the first statement.

High bone density in one part of the body does not mean you will have the same in other parts of your body, and vice versa for low bone density.

All bones, whether weak or strong, can be broken if hit the right way. So the biggest risk for fracturing bones is falling. Therefore the most important thing one can do to keep from fracturing is to maintain good overall health and strength to keep from falling.

That's about it, my memory has been taxed. :)

graciegirl

02-24-2013, 04:17 PM

Here is a little homework.

Find and explain the meaning of Hypercalcemia, Hypocalcemia, Ricketts, Calcium deprivation, weight bearing exercises to improve bone strength, Chart for amounts of calcium present in all foods. Bone health.

Villages PL

02-24-2013, 04:28 PM

Here is a little homework.

Find and explain the meaning of Hypercalcemia, Hypocalcemia, Ricketts, Calcium deprivation, weight bearing exercises to improve bone strength. Chart for amounts of calcium present in all foods. Bone health.

To borrow a phrase: "Holy cow!" I have a homework assignment? GG, give me a break! I just taxed my brain on the previous post. Are these things that you need more information on or do you just like to see me work hard?