Survey Alert!

[chachacha]

i received my survey letter from the Villages yesterday and i would like to remind all singles that if we want any action of getting a "partner pass" when we buy a home here (couples get two passes) we should definitely mention this issue on our survey. our enjoyment of our amenities is curtailed by not being able to invite a friend or a date from anywhere in the tri-county area to activities at the rec centers or pools...i am not a golfer but i think golf is one of the big issues that prevents our getting a partner pass...perhaps someone more knowledgeable about that could advise us here...i don't give a fig about golf but i certainly would like to have a partner for dance lessons, club meetings, playing cards, etc....i think as long as the resident is present with the date, it should not bother anyone! please take this important opportunity to make your feelings known.....

[2BNTV]

This is an important issue for singles to speak up about. I don't think it's fair that a single should only have one pass as opposed to two as many couples do. You pay the same amenity fee.

I strongly urge singles to have their voices heard.

[tkret]

Guests are also not permitted in any of the Sports Pools. There are many Singles in The Villages, either by choice or circumstance, that are deprived a benefit extended to couples.

[joejoegee]

:click::gc:This is an important issue for singles to speak up about. I don't think it's fair that a single should only have one pass as opposed to two as many couples do. You pay the same amenity fee.

I strongly urge singles to have their voices heard.

I agree 110% also if i'm not mistaken a homeowner gets up to 4 passes per address, and we lowly singles only get the one, not fair.

[kittygilchrist]

i received my survey letter from the Villages yesterday and i would like to remind all singles that if we want any action of getting a "partner pass" when we buy a home here (couples get two passes) we should definitely mention this issue on our survey. our enjoyment of our amenities is curtailed by not being able to invite a friend or a date from anywhere in the tri-county area to activities at the rec centers or pools...i am not a golfer but i think golf is one of the big issues that prevents our getting a partner pass...perhaps someone more knowledgeable about that could advise us here...i don't give a fig about golf but i certainly would like to have a partner for dance lessons, club meetings, playing cards, etc....i think as long as the resident is present with the date, it should not bother anyone! please take this important opportunity to make your feelings known.....

thanks for the news, Diane!

[2BNTV]

I am a wannabee who when I get to TV will vote for an additional I.D. as it is not fair if one pays the amentity fee the same as couples. Singles should be allowed two also.

I distinctly remember a thread wayyyyyyyyyyy back that a single was complaining that he met someone from outside TV and yet he could not bring her certain places as he had only one I.D. That means all singles are resticted to finding someone in TV or get married to get another I.D?

"UNFAIR".

This is a rediculous rule that should be abolished. Whew!!!!! I feel better now. :smiley:

[rjm1cc]

One house two passes. Seems fair as you are paying the monthly fees.

[2BNTV]

One house two passes. Seems fair as you are paying the monthly fees.

Bingo. Short and sweet. :smiley:

[nitehawk]

How about the difference in price of a married couple for priority golf membership and a single who pays almost 2/3 the couple price --- and you are not allowed to hook-up with someone (even if they live in TV) to make it a couple to pay the couple rate = if this is not discrimination then what is

[manaboutown]

It seems to me that two passes should be provided with each house. That is only fair. During my last visit to The Villages I found this to be problematic. I am a single man and would hope to be able to take a date with me to various activities such as dance and bridge classes open only to card carrying villagers.

[KathieI]

I agree and will be sure to put this on the survey.

[Skybo]

Don’t get me wrong...I completely understand where the single guys and ladies are coming from. But many of the previous posts referred to “couples” living here as getting “two passes”. As most of you know, none of us have “passes” ... we have Resident ID cards. They identify us as either permanent residents or temporary residents, and they don’t necessarily only apply to couples. But they do come with certain residency requirements. Just wanted to clear that up.

I would support a “partner pass” initiative for permanent residents, but I wonder how that would be handled. Would it be a card, issued in the resident’s name, that allowed you to bring any guest to any resident-only location/class/function? Or would you have to fill out documentation and get a card printed up for a specific individual each and every time you wanted your guest to accompany you to a resident-only location/function?

[chachacha]

i think it would save a lot of headaches and paperwork if one simply had a Partner Pass to be used only in the presence of the actual resident, notwithstanding where the guest lives. that way no one could misuse the pass by giving it to anyone to go do something alone as a regular guest pass would. many couples will sadly someday be singles and will face this same predicament so it affects all of us.

[TrudyM]

... we have Resident ID cards. They identify us as either permanent residents or temporary residents, and they don’t necessarily only apply to couples. But they do come with certain residency requirements. Just wanted to clear that up.

I would support a “partner pass” initiative for permanent residents, but I wonder how that would be handled. Would it be a card, issued in the resident’s name, that allowed you to bring any guest to any resident-only location/class/function? Or would you have to fill out documentation and get a card printed up for a specific individual each and every time you wanted your guest to accompany you to a resident-only location/function?

The country club/golf course that we lived on in Atlanta got sick of issuing guest passes all the time. They made a different color id (It was yellow) with a picture of the person(or persons) who was the member on it. It read as follows if I remember correctly. "This pass allows the guest of the person pictured to limited access to the facilities and must be accompanied by the member. The member assumes all responsibility and liability for the actions of this guest." It did not give them access to golf as each member had a limited number of guest T-times for every three month period. Just replace the word member with resident and you could use the same system. We had two that had a picture of my husband and myself on them. When family came to visit we were good to go. If they did a three color system then one color for the resident - one for the partner pass, and a third for visitor/guest. Total per house = 4

Limits to access could be decided and printed on the passes.
IE: The companion pass could allow full access to all but golf regardless of where they live or just to social functions at least.
The guest pass one could have the exclusion of people living in Sumter,Lake and Marion counties. That would address the issue of people making friends with residents just to use the facilities.

Just a thought

If you purposed it as a cost saving measure for the administration you might have better luck getting it thru.


And yes I know I can't spell Sorry

[REDCART]

i think it would save a lot of headaches and paperwork if one simply had a Partner Pass to be used only in the presence of the actual resident, notwithstanding where the guest lives. that way no one could misuse the pass by giving it to anyone to go do something alone as a regular guest pass would. many couples will sadly someday be singles and will face this same predicament so it affects all of us.

For anyone unfamiliar with the guest ID policy, the Villages will not issue a guest ID to anyone living within Marion, Lake, or Sumter Counties unless they're a qualified family member: son, daughter, grandchild or great grandchild, and their spouses. Qualified family members are issued an in-area guest ID card valid for one year. I'm sure this in area guest policy has been debated hundreds of times and has evolved over the last twenty-five years. It would be difficult, not impossible to alter so that the in-area guest policy was enforceable and fair. Residents must be present at all times with their in-area guests using TV's amenities. Tee times are already limited and adding additional guests into the mix would further stress the situation. The Recreation Dept recently issued guidance that residents will be given preference over guests for events where seating is limited.

As you know all owners named on the deed are entitled to a resident ID. Four owners of a property would each be entitled to a resident ID. So it's not really fair to say that couples receive special consideration for resident ID's, and that singles are somehow disadvantaged by this policy. Good luck with this suggestion.

George

[rubicon]

That's it let's march on the town center. :pepper2:

[chachacha]

thanks rubicon for the humor and thank you trudym for the great suggestion.
golf is always a sore point but i am sure most singles would not care that much about playing golf with their dates as they have other friends to play with...but i cannot chachacha with my best girlfriend (well, i can and i do but it certainly is not as much fun as with a date!) i think a lot of the bother and paperwork of guest passes could be avoided with trudy's system!

[TrudyM]

For anyone unfamiliar with the guest ID policy, the Villages will not issue a guest ID to anyone living within Marion, Lake, or Sumter Counties unless they're a qualified family member: son, daughter, grandchild or great grandchild, and their spouses. Qualified family members are issued an in-area guest ID card valid for one year. I'm sure this in area guest policy has been debated hundreds of times and has evolved over the last twenty-five years. It would be difficult, not impossible to alter so that the in-area guest policy was enforceable and fair. Residents must be present at all times with their in-area guests using TV's amenities. Tee times are already limited and adding additional guests into the mix would further stress the situation. The Recreation Dept recently issued guidance that residents will be given preference over guests for events where seating is limited.

As you know all owners named on the deed are entitled to a resident ID. Four owners of a property would each be entitled to a resident ID. So it's not really fair to say that couples receive special consideration for resident ID's, and that singles are somehow disadvantaged by this policy. Good luck with this suggestion.

George

My suggestion did not include golf and could even be more limited to just social functions (ie not pool or gym)

[manaboutown]

For anyone unfamiliar with the guest ID policy, the Villages will not issue a guest ID to anyone living within Marion, Lake, or Sumter Counties unless they're a qualified family member: son, daughter, grandchild or great grandchild, and their spouses. Qualified family members are issued an in-area guest ID card valid for one year. I'm sure this in area guest policy has been debated hundreds of times and has evolved over the last twenty-five years. It would be difficult, not impossible to alter so that the in-area guest policy was enforceable and fair.

As you know all owners named on the deed are entitled to a resident ID. Four owners of a property would each be entitled to a resident ID. So it's not really fair to say that couples receive special consideration for resident ID's, and that singles are somehow disadvantaged by this policy. Good luck with this suggestion.

George

So if two or three couples join in to buy a house together, with say four or six names on the deed, they receive four or six resident cards yet they still pay the same amenities fee as a single person. Wow, what a deal for them!

[2BNTV]

So if two or three couples join in to buy a house together, with say four or six names on the deed, they receive four or six resident cards yet they still pay the same amenities fee as a single person. Wow, what a deal for them!

Briulliant idea. I have to put my son, grandaughter and close friends on the deed and then I am all set. :jester:

[REDCART]

So if two or three couples join in to buy a house together, with say four or six names on the deed, they receive four or six resident cards yet they still pay the same amenities fee as a single person. Wow, what a deal for them!

The point I attempted to make here was this is not a couples vs. singles argument and that singles should somehow be compensated for receiving only one resident pass. Think about the logistics of issuing blank guest passes just for the asking, and where would it end. It's a can of worms and yet I understand the original need that started this thread.

[2BNTV]

The point I attempted to make here was this is not a couples vs. singles argument and that singles should somehow be compensated for receiving only one resident pass. Think about the logistics of issuing blank guest passes just for the asking, and where would it end. It's a can of worms and yet I understand the original need that started this thread.

You make a valid point point although, is a single is going with someone on a continuing basis, they should be denied access for their significant other and receive one pass as opposed to two? They should have to restrict their search for companionship to only people who live in TV?

As usual, it has to be a situation where one, is not allowed to abuse the system. Maybe I am ignorant of how this sytem works, but it seems they have records of every household and it's number of occupants.

[villages07]

So if two or three couples join in to buy a house together, with say four or six names on the deed, they receive four or six resident cards yet they still pay the same amenities fee as a single person. Wow, what a deal for them!

I thought I read somewhere that there was a limit of 4 Resident IDs for a household, regardless of how many names on the deed. Just checked the CDD.gov site and could not find a reference to that. A simple call to customer service/CDD offices would clear it up for those curious to know the facts.

[Geewiz]

There are 2 issues here: 1. passes for guests where the single deed holder is dating someone and 2. a resident pass for a cohabiting non-deed holder (a long term relationship).

In situation 1: so long as the dating partner is with the deed holder he/she should have access to a guest pass no more or less restrictive than passes for people renting in TV. Look at my resident pass and her temporary/guest pass then let us go on our way.

For situation 2: nearly 10 percent of all couples living together, do so without being married. This is becoming more common as time goes by. Moreover, the rights of couples living together without marriage becomes intertwined with the whole debate on marriage for same-sex couples.

I was married for 30 years and I have a 22 year old son. I want to ensure that my assets go to my son - and I have little patience for rules that stand in the way of my decision on what happens to my assets after my death. The choice of whether I give deed rights to someone I am living with is a personal decision and is no concern to the powers that be in TV.

Still, I want to fall in love and I object to rules that makes my lover a second-class resident of TV. If she provides proof that she is a resident in my home for State/Federal purposes that should suffice for a TV resident ID. Proofs can be a drivers license, a Federal or State tax return, or even bills sent here in her name.

Before I get flamed - if we are restricting amenity rights to just deed holders then renters should get el-squato..nada...nothing. To provide them with access to pools, clubs, and golf but not my live-in lover is just the morality police sniffing in my sheets. I am too old to care about their issues.

Sorry for the rant.

[villages07]

geewhiz....situation #2 is covered. Non-owner residents are issued resident ID cards (with proper proof of residency) with all the same privileges of the property owner.

Recent change is that these cards are a different color and have to be renewed every 3 years. Which makes sense.

Non-owner resident could be sig other, renter, etc. Just someone who is a permanent resident at that address.

The cddgov website has info on the policy.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Service/idCards.aspx)

[Geewiz]

geewhiz....situation #2 is covered. Non-owner residents are issued resident ID cards (with proper proof of residency) with all the same privileges of the property owner.

Recent change is that these cards are a different color and have to be renewed every 3 years. Which makes sense.

Non-owner resident could be sig other, renter, etc. Just someone who is a permanent resident at that address.

The cddgov website has info on the policy.

Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Service/idCards.aspx)

Thanks for the info! Now, I just need to fall in love! I am doing a snorkeling with manatees adventure as a part of the Single Baby Boomers...maybe, I'll hook up with a frisky single manatee! I hope she gets to use the pools!

[simpkinp]

There is still the problem with a resident Villager dating a resident of the three counties, Marion, Sumter and Lake. I am a widow and although I date a man who also owns a home in TV there is not problem for me, but I have friends who cannot bring their significant other into a club dance or meeting of a club because they cannot get a guess pass. We singles pay the same amenity fee, same golf trail fee, etc. as a couple, or even four persons per household. This is not fair. I am only looking for a second pass for a local friend and do not necessarily want them living with me for residency purposes.

[chachacha]

gee whiz, the manatee probably comes from homosassa or crystal river so is eligible for a guest pass to use the pool! :) but long distance romances are difficult!

simpkinp, you hit the nail on the head, thanks!

[simpkinp]

The singles discrimination goes farther. A family of four pays the same annual trail fees as a single. I put this in the survey every year to no avail, but I will keep trying. Nice to have you guys put it in as well. It has been discussed in the past, but the district does not want to lose the revenue.

[nitehawk]

If you are dating someone in the villages on a steady basis and want to get a couple golf priority membership rather then two singles ---- is this possible ??

[chachacha]

sorry i don't know the answer to nitehawk's question but want to bump this topic back onto the forum so more will see it before survey....

[scarecrow1]

Find a fake address in Tampa and get a guest pass for a week at a time on line. When they question the drivers license just say he just moved there and hasn't had the time to change his address. It'll probably work just saying. On another subject, I have to pay a trail fee for two and my wife doesn't golf. When my son came to play golf with me he had to,pay a trail fee. Sounds like double dipping to me.

[graciegirl]

Find a fake address in Tampa and get a guest pass for a week at a time on line. When they question the drivers license just say he just moved there and hasn't had the time to change his address. It'll probably work just saying. On another subject, I have to pay a trail fee for two and my wife doesn't golf. When my son came to play golf with me he had to,pay a trail fee. Sounds like double dipping to me.

Chachacha...wouldn't fake anything, ever.

And most of the rest of us wouldn't either.

[Skybo]

Find a fake address in Tampa and get a guest pass for a week at a time on line. When they question the drivers license just say he just moved there and hasn't had the time to change his address. It'll probably work just saying.

Chachacha...wouldn't fake anything, ever.
And most of the rest of us wouldn't either.

I agree. Cheating the system isn’t the answer and residents who falsify guest ID applications are participating in fraud against our whole community. Plus, it wouldn’t work! From what I’ve seen, the ID checker’s follow the rules and don’t make exceptions. And rightfully so.

No one should be trying to lie or circumvent the system. The answer is in doing it properly. There needs to be an established procedure for TV singles to bring their (local) non-resident significant others into certain functions. However, if you hope to make it happen, you all need to come up with realistic suggestions on how to implement it.

I don’t think that a carte blanche “partner pass” that allows a resident to bring someone into locations/classes/functions without some kind of application/documentation/identification will ever happen. And I don’t think it should. Every temporary resident or guest ID card, including in-area guest IDs requires an application and documentation, even if those people are visiting for one day.

[chachacha]

that's right, gracie, i would not risk losing my own amenities by committing fraud! and skybo has a good point about documentation although i don't really see a great danger if a resident invites someone of their own choosing....perhaps the partner pass could speed up the application process in that the resident information would already be in the computer and not have to be constantly re-written on forms. i am positive a good solution can be found IF enough residents mention it on the survey!

[Bay Kid]

My parents, 80 years old, are buying in TV in a month. I will be with them 4-5 months per year. Should I put my name on their deed? I will be using everything much more than they will.

[mulligan]

Be careful about adding your name to the deed. You may run afoul the IRS.

[nitehawk]

Find a fake address in Tampa and get a guest pass for a week at a time on line. When they question the drivers license just say he just moved there and hasn't had the time to change his address. It'll probably work just saying. On another subject, I have to pay a trail fee for two and my wife doesn't golf. When my son came to play golf with me he had to,pay a trail fee. Sounds like double dipping to me.

I pay the same price for the trail fee that you pay and i am not married --- what does that sound like Rip Off
141.24
HOUSEHOLD
ANNUAL
(Includes $9.24 tax)
(1) to (4) Residents
in the same household
playing Executive Go

[TVMayor]

I agreed to pay the fees when I purchased my home and I knew at the time I was not going to cruse for chicks in Wildwood.

[REDCART]

Be careful about adding your name to the deed. You may run afoul the IRS.

To clarify Mulligan's point, if your name were added to the deed, the cost basis for your determining capital gains would be the original purchase price vs. the market value at the time you might inherit the property. The second consideration is if your name were on the deed, any future personal judgments against you may also be applied to the home that your parents own. This might stem from an auto accident or other liability situation. Renewing your guest pass every 30 days seems like it might be easier.

[chachacha]

surveys must be completed by april 8 so please don't forget to mention this important issue for singles. remember, if you are part of a happy couple, this issue may still haunt you someday if you lose your spouse and try to start a new life. the single life is not as carefree and glamorous as some would think!

[manaboutown]

surveys must be completed by april 8 so please don't forget to mention this important issue for singles. remember, if you are part of a happy couple, this issue may still haunt you someday if you lose your spouse and try to start a new life. the single life is not as carefree and glamorous as some would think!

:agree: