Bloomberg's ban on large sodas overturned!!

[Heartnsoul]

was sooooo happy to hear Bloombergs attempt to tell us all what we can and cannot drink was overturned. Nobody is more of a "healthcare" advocate than me but talk about stupidity?? lol We don't need Nanny Bloomberg telling us what to drink or eat. Let's be responsible for our own health and decisions. and of course he wants to remove the salt from the table so now you have to ask your waitress to bring it and also the sugar.
it would go on and on and on.....

I'll continue to eat healthy and if you choose not to, than that is YOUR choice. These folks need to stay out of our homes and out of our LIVES!!

[2BNTV]

Although it's more healthy not to drink such large soda's, Bloomy overstepped his bounds on this one. IMHO

[gomoho]

One small step for mankind.

[Mack184]

Nanny Bloomberg got his butt soundly kicked by the courts. It's a beautiful day in America!

Have you ever bothered to find out how much soda is really in one of those large cups? If the restaurant fills it for you, there's usually somewhere between 10-12 ounces of soda and the rest is...ICE! Of course if you fill the cup yourself your mileage may vary and you'll ned to contact your dealer for details.

[Patty55]

Such a dweeb, he should worry about himself, IMO he don't look too great.

[skip0358]

Now I'd like to see the beverage companies sue him court. They spent a ton of money redoing bottle sizes, machine modifications and retooling equipment. Not to mention the restaurants and delis etc. that ordered the new cups and glasses. Gov't is getting to much time getting in residents businesses. JMO:MOJE_whot:

[Parker]

Strap on your seatbelt. I have a feeling a lot of things are gonna be regulated and re-regulated and regulated again. Not that there's anything wrong with that :shrug:

[janmcn]

Something has got to be done about the obesity epidemic in this country, obviously the personal responsibility aspect is not working.

Perhaps insurance companies, Medicare and Medicaid should just stop insuring people who are overweight.

[gomoho]

Something has got to be done about the obesity epidemic in this country, obviously the personal responsibility aspect is not working.

Perhaps insurance companies, Medicare and Medicaid should just stop insuring people who are overweight.

Wow does that open a can of worms... how about smokers, people who eat red meat, people who won't eat their veggies, people who drink, people who don't exercise, people who exercise too much. Our country is about freedom and God help us the day someone can say what our personal choices should be - though I think we're getting close.

[billethkid]

not to worry...we live in an environment where laws and regulations are nothing more than arm waving....not enforced...or enforced to a convenience....so don't worry just do what makes you happy!!!

btk

[Cisco Kid]

not to worry...we live in an environment where laws and regulations are nothing more than arm waving....not enforced...or enforced to a convenience....so don't worry just do what makes you happy!!!

btk

So true, but it feels good

[janmcn]

Wow does that open a can of worms... how about smokers, people who eat red meat, people who won't eat their veggies, people who drink, people who don't exercise, people who exercise too much. Our country is about freedom and God help us the day someone can say what our personal choices should be - though I think we're getting close.

Your automobile insurance will be canceled if you have too many infractions or too many accidents. Your homeowners insurance will be canceled if you have a sinkhole or too many claims. Where is the freedom there?

Public policy has consequences. Look how the attitudes toward smoking have changed over the past few decades.

[wendyquat]

Something has got to be done about the obesity epidemic in this country, obviously the personal responsibility aspect is not working.

Perhaps insurance companies, Medicare and Medicaid should just stop insuring people who are overweight.

As a matter of fact, my doctor did mention that out of pocket fees could rise according to your BMI!

[cbg150]

I live in NYC and the defeat of this legislation makes me sad. Perhaps Bloomberg over-reached, and the legislation could have been better crafted, but his heart was in the right place! Now the beverage companies are manipulating public opinion, but they remain greedy and uncaring. What people don't realize is that you can't even get a smaller drink these days. Thirsty at the movies, I tried to get a sip of something to quench my thirst but the smallest drink available was 32 ounces (for a premium price too!) I remember when Coke used to come in 7 oz bottles and it was a special once in a while treat that you savored. Try to find a 7 ounce bottle now! It is not a coincidence that this bigger is better mentality coincides perfectly with the obesity epidemic. People wake up! Stand up for children and sensible living, not these selfish corporate interests!


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[tommy steam]

Something has got to be done about the obesity epidemic in this country, obviously the personal responsibility aspect is not working.

Perhaps insurance companies, Medicare and Medicaid should just stop insuring people who are overweight.

:BigApplause: I agree.

[Here2Stay]

All I want right now is a LARGE SUPERSIZE SODA and A TWINKIE!!!! Anybody got an old Twinkie just lying around!! Will pay TOP dollar!

[pauld315]

I live in NYC and the defeat of this legislation makes me sad. Perhaps Bloomberg over-reached, and the legislation could have been better crafted, but his heart was in the right place! Now the beverage companies are manipulating public opinion, but they remain greedy and uncaring. What people don't realize is that you can't even get a smaller drink these days. Thirsty at the movies, I tried to get a sip of something to quench my thirst but the smallest drink available was 32 ounces (for a premium price too!) I remember when Coke used to come in 7 oz bottles and it was a special once in a while treat that you savored. Try to find a 7 ounce bottle now! It is not a coincidence that this bigger is better mentality coincides perfectly with the obesity epidemic. People wake up! Stand up for children and sensible living, not these selfish corporate interests!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk



Oy vey ! Wow, I am speechless...whatever happened to personal responsibility ?

[cbg150]

Oy vey ! Wow, I am speechless...whatever happened to personal responsibility ?

What ever happened to personal choice? Why must we accept only the bigger sizes because they are more profitable?


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[travelguy]

I guess some of us need protection from ourselves. That is why there are rules. Our own judgement can be faulty at times, and just because we believe in freedom is not enough to allow us to make stupid choices. Then again, who is to decide what constitutes a stupid choice? I just do not know either.

[De Lis]

Bloomberg may seem like Big Brother, but with obesity and diabetes on the ever increasing rise (especially in our youth), someone needed to something!

Come on, no needs to be served 32 oz. of pop. Geez.

[gomoho]

Bloomberg may seem like Big Brother, but with obesity and diabetes on the ever increasing rise (especially in our youth), someone needed to something!

Come on, no needs to be served 32 oz. of pop. Geez.

Agreed - NO ONE NEEDS TO BE SERVED A 32 oz SODA - but we all should have the right to make that decision on our own. People don't need to be served alcohol or cigarettes - ban that too???

[blueash]

Where there are societal costs, we as a collectively responsible nation, have a right if not an obligation to our fellow citizens to encourage and even to legislate responsibility. The mayor's proposal I believe only applied to the on site sale of supersized drinks. There was no prohibition on a consumer buying two of them, or ten of them. There was no prohibition on grocery stores selling you a 2 Liter.
We already have laws regarding what some might consider "personal liberties". While you can consume alcohol, you cannot be served over a certain amount per glass. You cannot drive any speed you desire, even on a deserted road where you would endanger only yourself. Many states require you to wear a helmet if you ride a bike or a motorcycle. All states require you wear your seat belt. These are all examples of what people like to call the "nanny state". And they are all good laws. We have as a society laws not only to protect the individual from others but laws to protect the individual from him/her self when making poor choices may impose a burden on the society even without the intention of doing so. If Bloomberg is correct that obesity is a real public health danger and that there are ways to mitigate that danger why wouldn't he, and why wouldn't all of us, be trying to reduce the damage both present and future of that disease? It is a legitimate if not essential function of govenment to promote the common welfare and public health.

[karostay]

Lets not forget your golf cart can't do over 20 mph.
When you have Villages Golf Car do any repair's THEY deem it necessary to turn down the speed

[karostay]

You can buy 32 oz drafts at Cody's
They should have a 16oz limit

[graciegirl]

Where there are societal costs, we as a collectively responsible nation, have a right if not an obligation to our fellow citizens to encourage and even to legislate responsibility. The mayor's proposal I believe only applied to the on site sale of supersized drinks. There was no prohibition on a consumer buying two of them, or ten of them. There was no prohibition on grocery stores selling you a 2 Liter.
We already have laws regarding what some might consider "personal liberties". While you can consume alcohol, you cannot be served over a certain amount per glass. You cannot drive any speed you desire, even on a deserted road where you would endanger only yourself. Many states require you to wear a helmet if you ride a bike or a motorcycle. All states require you wear your seat belt. These are all examples of what people like to call the "nanny state". And they are all good laws. We have as a society laws not only to protect the individual from others but laws to protect the individual from him/her self when making poor choices may impose a burden on the society even without the intention of doing so. If Bloomberg is correct that obesity is a real public health danger and that there are ways to mitigate that danger why wouldn't he, and why wouldn't all of us, be trying to reduce the damage both present and future of that disease? It is a legitimate if not essential function of govenment to promote the common welfare and public health.

Ah yes, you are right Blueash, and a very good scientist too. However, in Ohio where we both are from, no one so far has told us how much pop we can buy or drink at a time...so far.

When a law is passed, there is also a great expense to enforce it.

I think this may be political.

Say Goodnight Gracie.

[Cisco Kid]

Where there are societal costs, we as a collectively responsible nation, have a right if not an obligation to our fellow citizens to encourage and even to legislate responsibility. The mayor's proposal I believe only applied to the on site sale of supersized drinks. There was no prohibition on a consumer buying two of them, or ten of them. There was no prohibition on grocery stores selling you a 2 Liter.
We already have laws regarding what some might consider "personal liberties". While you can consume alcohol, you cannot be served over a certain amount per glass. You cannot drive any speed you desire, even on a deserted road where you would endanger only yourself. Many states require you to wear a helmet if you ride a bike or a motorcycle. All states require you wear your seat belt. These are all examples of what people like to call the "nanny state". And they are all good laws. We have as a society laws not only to protect the individual from others but laws to protect the individual from him/her self when making poor choices may impose a burden on the society even without the intention of doing so. If Bloomberg is correct that obesity is a real public health danger and that there are ways to mitigate that danger why wouldn't he, and why wouldn't all of us, be trying to reduce the damage both present and future of that disease? It is a legitimate if not essential function of govenment to promote the common welfare and public health.

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[Bucco]

Where there are societal costs, we as a collectively responsible nation, have a right if not an obligation to our fellow citizens to encourage and even to legislate responsibility. The mayor's proposal I believe only applied to the on site sale of supersized drinks. There was no prohibition on a consumer buying two of them, or ten of them. There was no prohibition on grocery stores selling you a 2 Liter.
We already have laws regarding what some might consider "personal liberties". While you can consume alcohol, you cannot be served over a certain amount per glass. You cannot drive any speed you desire, even on a deserted road where you would endanger only yourself. Many states require you to wear a helmet if you ride a bike or a motorcycle. All states require you wear your seat belt. These are all examples of what people like to call the "nanny state". And they are all good laws. We have as a society laws not only to protect the individual from others but laws to protect the individual from him/her self when making poor choices may impose a burden on the society even without the intention of doing so. If Bloomberg is correct that obesity is a real public health danger and that there are ways to mitigate that danger why wouldn't he, and why wouldn't all of us, be trying to reduce the damage both present and future of that disease? It is a legitimate if not essential function of govenment to promote the common welfare and public health.

This may or may not be true.....

"If Bloomberg is correct that obesity is a real public health danger and that there are ways to mitigate that danger why wouldn't he, and why wouldn't all of us, be trying to reduce the damage both present and future of that disease? It is a legitimate if not essential function of govenment to promote the common welfare and public health.
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HOWEVER, and to me MOST IMPORTANTLY, when do we discuss personal responsibility.....when do we discuss parenting.

It does not seem to serve us well to throw aside our inherent responsibility and leave those responsibilities to politicians of any ilk

[Mikeod]

It does not seem to serve us well to throw aside our inherent responsibility and leave those responsibilities to politicians of any ilk
:agree:

[blueash]

HOWEVER, and to me MOST IMPORTANTLY, when do we discuss personal responsibility.....when do we discuss parenting.

It does not seem to serve us well to throw aside our inherent responsibility and leave those responsibilities to politicians of any ilk

And here we agree in part. There is a more important role of parenting and personal responsibility in these issues. But, and it is a very important but, that does not mean that there is no role of government. This is not an either or, it is an all of the above. While we may disagree on the wisdom of this particular soda proposal, would you agree that one role of government is to regulate the sale of harmful products? Another role is to encourage positive health practices such as quitting smoking, getting exercise, weight control, avoiding sunburn, the list is lengthy. Some of this can be done by agencies tasked with getting good practices out to the public. This involves spending your tax dollars to support research and buy advertising time and pay the salaries of those employees. Some is done by regulation or tax policy. Why is some food taxed at Publix and other foods are not? Government has in many ways played a role in guiding people into making healthy life choices. What Bloomberg proposed was part of that tradition.

[ilovetv]

Bloomberg may seem like Big Brother, but with obesity and diabetes on the ever increasing rise (especially in our youth), someone needed to something!

Come on, no needs to be served 32 oz. of pop. Geez.

I agree nobody needs to be served 32 oz. of pop. However, the silly thing about the attempt in NY is that all a person has to do to get it is buy 2 bottles of it that are 16 oz.....

AND, since those are sealed and easy to carry around or keep in a backpack, a person can buy 4 or 5 16-oz bottles to consume in the next couple of hours.

Personally I don't understand how a person has that much time on their hands, to drink all that and spend that much more time at the toilet.

[janmcn]

Personal responsibility doesn't seem to be working. According to recent numbers, 37% of the population are now considered to be obese, and it cost Medicare 30% more for treatment of an obese person. If these trends continue, soon it will be 50%...then 75%.

[graciegirl]

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[rubicon]

If health is the basis for restricting the big gulp then in the name of health where will our nanny government stop? What else will they direct us not to do , or do? If the big gulp is the culprit then where does lack of exercise come in to play especially with our children? Personal/parental responsibility is in fact being taken over by our government in every aspect of our everyday lives and we are letting it happen. I was so surprised to see New Yorkers roll over on this issue. I thought these brassy and sophicated folks would be marching in the streets. And while elimination of big gulp has become the cause du jour in New York, other states are successful in pushing marijuana as a legitimate cash crop. Unbelievable. There are people on this thread falling into that trap that essentially says the end justifies the means (ie. people are obese and obesity is wrong so taking away a personal choice ( freedom) is the right thing to do because these obese people are just too dumb lazy or unmotiviated to do so themselves. This mind set is going to be the ruin of this nation because in this case the only person that has a right to make those choices is the so called "obese" person. And a negative byproduct of all of this is that these experts by their actions stigmatize all persons who do not fit their view of a healthy body.

I guess next these do gooders will work on is ugly people as the cause du jour. Let's eliminate all ugly people or perhaps it is wiser simply to making pretty people ugly. The main thing is that we all should be the same as nature intended it. :cus: You think my suggestion ridiculous well that's what I think Bloomberg's actions are plainy ridiculous.New Yorkers allowed this yahoo to serve three terms???????????????????????????????:cus:

[janmcn]

Yeah. And as we age we drive those numbers up too. We are sort of a burden to society. sigh.:undecided::shrug:

However, we did pay our withholding over the years.

Nobody can control getting older or getting sick, but everyone can control their weight. Losing weight can help alleviate such diseases as diabetes, high blood pressure, some cancers, etc.

As far as paying into the fund over the years, it is now estimated that people are getting back $3.00 for every $1.00 paid.

[Mikeod]

Education is the key. It worked with smoking. Smoking rates have fallen from the mid 40% to slightly above 20% since 1965. And nicotine is much more addictive than sugar.

How can I put faith in government to help obesity when they just voted to subsidize sugar production? I hope this isn't considered political.

[Bucco]

Personal responsibility doesn't seem to be working. According to recent numbers, 37% of the population are now considered to be obese, and it cost Medicare 30% more for treatment of an obese person. If these trends continue, soon it will be 50%...then 75%.



Then I think we should simply shun ALL personal responsibility, as it appears it does not pay in any case !! We will be taken care of !!

[cbg150]

The personal responsibility argument is hogwash when corporate policy is dictating our choices. Bloomberg's law never told adults that they couldn't drink 32 oz of soda. Instead it required establishments to provide smaller cups. You are crazy enough to want 32 oz of soda then buy multiple cups! I think the law should be written to provide single serving sizes at proportional prices for all food and beverages. This is exactly what our government should be doing, serving the public interest by mandating the availability of reasonable options!


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[gomoho]

The personal responsibility argument is hogwash when corporate policy is dictating our choices. Bloomberg's law never told adults that they couldn't drink 32 oz of soda. Instead it required establishments to provide smaller cups. You are crazy enough to want 32 oz of soda then buy multiple cups! I think the law should be written to provide single serving sizes at proportional prices for all food and beverages. This is exactly what our government should be doing, serving the public interest by mandating the availability of reasonable options!


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What the government should be doing is protecting the country - not individuals from themselves. That is not their role.

[allus70]

The increased utilization along with the rise in the cost of medical treatment is the major cause of our country's crippling debt. Just as costs threaten to overwhelm and destroy our health care system, a convincing argument can be made that people that intentionally abuse their bodies through use of alcohol, tobacco, lack of exercise and the intake of large quantities of fattening food are not only putting themselves at risk, but our health delivery system as well.

Obesity is one of the greatest causes of disability and premature death in our country. It is a contributing factor in diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, arthritis and damaged joints etc. etc. For an elected official to ignore and fail to speak out on a matter that directly effects all of us, would be in my opinion, irresponsible. The freedom to drink soda is still intact, you can even go back for seconds.

[nitehawk]

Mayor Bloomberg may have lost the battle, but not the War --- just wait

[Cisco Kid]

Toilet paper is next.
He will limit the number of sheets you can use.
If you go over, they will send out an inspector for approval for one more.
This will save the trees / planet
Create jobs
And you of course they will say it's for the children.
That locks in, so only uncaring people a pose the new law.

[Patty55]

Mayor Bloomberg may have lost the battle, but not the War --- just wait

He's out of there at the end of the year.:pepper2::pepper2:

[Polar Bear]

The increased utilization along with the rise in the cost of medical treatment is the major cause of our country's crippling debt. Just as costs threaten to overwhelm and destroy our health care system, a convincing argument can be made that people that intentionally abuse their bodies through use of alcohol, tobacco, lack of exercise and the intake of large quantities of fattening food are not only putting themselves at risk, but our health delivery system as well.

Obesity is one of the greatest causes of disability and premature death in our country. It is a contributing factor in diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, arthritis and damaged joints etc. etc. For an elected official to ignore and fail to speak out on a matter that directly effects all of us, would be in my opinion, irresponsible. The freedom to drink soda is still intact, you can even go back for seconds.

Couldn't agree more.

Now...will somebody please tell me what that has to do with a politician (or anybody) telling me how big a soda I can drink??!!??