Cigars Smokers Unite

[crummybuttons]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

[Cisco Kid]

I don't smoke, but for me it's all freedom.

[eremite06]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

:popcorn:

[buggyone]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.


Personally, I don't think that a few cigar smokers boycotting Cody's is going to make even a tiny dent in their business. It is always doing a great business from the time it opens until it closes.

Try GarVino's cigar lounge. Good wine and decent cigars.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I don't smoke and don't mind if you do. However, I'm also all for the smokers not going to Cody's makes it easier for me to find a seat at the bar :)

[NotGolfer]

Moved here from up north as many of us did. The state/area we came from implemented it unlawful to smoke in bars/restaurants. BOY did a lot of people's ire get ruffled with that...saying businesses would fold etc. Know what happened? Businesses flourished! People who didn't like the smoke came out again and supported the businesses.

An infringement on freedom...perhaps! BUT second-hand smoke is a health hazard. Talk to folks who have COPD, asthma and other respitory issues.

Now I'm going to go and pop me some corn as this issue has been hashed and re-hashed on this site!

[Monkei]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

They stink.

[karostay]

Great step in the right direction next ban cigarettes out door restaurants

[billethkid]

your not going to see these business owners go against the cigarette smokers.....which stink worse than cigs and are significantly more hazordous to your health. However, they obviously don't mind ****ing off the minority group, that being cigar smokers.

The non smoking crowd has so many more options....I say if you don't like the environment don't go there. Go to one of the multitude of places where there is no smoking.

The non smokers may be the majority but they certainly are not priviledged, as so many behave like they are.:pray:

Please do your heart and your mind a favor and go to the known really smoke free places!! The downside? Nothing to b-eye-itch about!!!!:jester:

btk

[Serenoa]

They stink.

BAD.

Why anyone would want to smell like one is beyond me. The smokers need to really enjoy their current ability to pollute the public air cause the day is coming when they'll be pretty much restricted to practicing their dirty little habit behind the closed doors & windows of their own home. And that day can't come soon enough IMHO. Given the known & proven health hazards it boggles the mind that anyone still uses tobacco.

[billethkid]

OK now we are getting some action. Hey where is the pop corn machine, I think I'll sit a spell and watch this one spin!

btk

If only folks would speak their mind.:a20:

btk

[rp001]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

Thank You

[Golfingnut]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

Cigarettes are stinky and annoying, but cigars are just plain nasty. I can't imagine eating and smelling a fowl cigar. Please, if no other reason than there is a LARGE amount of folks that find them disgusting, don't smoke in cigars in public. I am happy that you enjoy them, but for me, it would ruin my evening to be downwind from a stinking cigar. I sincerely believe cigars allowed would drive far more people away than banning the cigar. That said, it is a wise business decision to ban cigars from the property inside and outside.

[Serenoa]

I don't suppose the cigar smokers would mind a bit if someone that hadn't bathed for a month, or had a severe case of flatulence sat down at the next table beside them. I guess it would just be a contest to see who could cause the biggest stink.

[gomoho]

your not going to see these business owners go against the cigarette smokers.....which stink worse than cigs and are significantly more hazordous to your health. However, they obviously don't mind ****ing off the minority group, that being cigar smokers.

The non smoking crowd has so many more options....I say if you don't like the environment don't go there. Go to one of the multitude of places where there is no smoking.

The non smokers may be the majority but they certainly are not priviledged, as so many behave like they are.:pray:

Please do your heart and your mind a favor and go to the known really smoke free places!! The downside? Nothing to b-eye-itch about!!!!:jester:

btk

Kid, I was willing to support your right to smoke until you said "the non-smokers should go where there is no smoke". The problem with that argument is what if the majority of non-smokers want to be where you are. Should your right to smoke over rule their desire to be in a certain place???
It's a matter of courtesy and if smoking is allowed do it in a manner that you are not blowing that **** in my face. As a former smoker I respect your right to smoke as long as you respect my right to not have to smell it. Fair enough?

[Monkei]

I guess in the end it will boil down to simple bottom line economics. Would an owner rather service the 2 or 3 cigar smokers that might come their way or the 25 or 30 customers who are happy and content that there are no cigars anywhere near them? I think my money would be with the non smokers.

Isn't that why they have cigar bars?

[ilovetv]

Cigar smoking is a filthy habit. It's a much worse stink than cigarettes whose smoke is lighter and blows away easier outside.

Why cigar smokers think it is sophisticated to be dirty and to dirty others in a social situation is incomprehensible.

Go to Garvino's if you want to be in a cloud of stink like that.

[tommy steam]

Moved here from up north as many of us did. The state/area we came from implemented it unlawful to smoke in bars/restaurants. BOY did a lot of people's ire get ruffled with that...saying businesses would fold etc. Know what happened? Businesses flourished! People who didn't like the smoke came out again and supported the businesses.

An infringement on freedom...perhaps! BUT second-hand smoke is a health hazard. Talk to folks who have COPD, asthma and other respitory issues.

Now I'm going to go and pop me some corn as this issue has been hashed and re-hashed on this site!

Did anyone ever think about the bartenders and waitress who serve you? They get to breathe all that second hand smoke, day in and day out. I don't think it's fair to the people who work in these establishments to have to put up with second hand smoke. I talked with a few bartenders in NYC just after the smoking ban went into effect and they loved it.

[mrsanborn]

Now that cigars are banned, doobies will probably be next.

[Halle]

Now that cigars are banned, doobies will probably be next.

Say it isn't so!

[gomoho]

It isn't so - especially in certain "special" parts of the country. Hope you feel better now.

[Bonny]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

One big reason you can't at Codys is the entertainers. They are on the patio singing & it does get difficult for them with the cigar smoke.

[Thnonne]

If some of the cigar and cigarette smokers continue to throw their disgusting butts all over the golf courses I am sure they will soon be banished from the golf courses also. It is one thing to be discrimminated against and another to infringe on others rights to clean air and clean surroundings. Non-smokers are not fouling the air or littering the surroundings.

[njbchbum]

does anyone wonder if the comments posted here show the true measure of character of the posters as I wonder?

[Indydealmaker]

BAD.

Why anyone would want to smell like one is beyond me. The smokers need to really enjoy their current ability to pollute the public air cause the day is coming when they'll be pretty much restricted to practicing their dirty little habit behind the closed doors & windows of their own home. And that day can't come soon enough IMHO. Given the known & proven health hazards it boggles the mind that anyone still uses tobacco.
It is a far greater hazard to drive a golf cart in The Villages.

[Golfingnut]

does anyone wonder if the comments posted here show the true measure of character of the posters as I wonder?

Your post reminds me of the old saying: "the pot calling the kettle black"?

[travelguy]

ban all smoking in the town squares and the sidewalks that surround the squares. and enforce it. am so tired of dancing in the squares while cigar/cigarette smokers light up all around the edges. or when I am enjoying a drink outdoors at Red Sauce and a cigar smoker walks by......excuse me while I barf on your shoes.

[gomoho]

If some of the cigar and cigarette smokers continue to throw their disgusting butts all over the golf courses I am sure they will soon be banished from the golf courses also. It is one thing to be discrimminated against and another to infringe on others rights to clean air and clean surroundings. Non-smokers are not fouling the air or littering the surroundings.

Valid point - golfed at Hawkes Bay today and saw no less the 4 butts on the course. It's disgusting and there is no reason for that. Yes we picked them up by they should not have been there in the first place.:cus:

[gerryann]

I believe that if you eat outside at a restaurant, you will get the smokers...that's why they are outside. If you don't want to put up with smoke then probably don't go out with them. It really is simple. As far as the smokers around the squares, I don't like it either...but where to put them....they're are a lot of smokers here. When in high school we had a caged box near the entrance of the school, it was called "cancer corner". This was in the 60's...sad but true. The folks that can't quit now, never will. They say they will...but they won't.

[gomoho]

But I love to eat outside so I should give that up so someone can smoke? I am in favor of smoker's rights, but not when they tread on someone else.

[njbchbum]

But I love to eat outside so I should give that up so someone can smoke? I am in favor of smoker's rights, but not when they tread on someone else.

is banning smoking treading on the rights of the smokers?

when anyone goes to a restaurant I am sure they EXPECT to enjoy themselves - but - there are so many things that can happen to spoil that expectation! are we to ban each of them?

[Patty55]

is banning smoking treading on the rights of the smokers?

when anyone goes to a restaurant I am sure they EXPECT to enjoy themselves - but - there are so many things that can happen to spoil that expectation! are we to ban each of them?

I would like to ban people who speak too loud and act like a fool.

[Barefoot]

is banning smoking treading on the rights of the smokers?

when anyone goes to a restaurant I am sure they EXPECT to enjoy themselves - but - there are so many things that can happen to spoil that expectation! are we to ban each of them?

Can we please ban people who talk endlessly on cell phones about their personal life and problems?

[Bonny]

But I love to eat outside so I should give that up so someone can smoke? I am in favor of smoker's rights, but not when they tread on someone else.

I'm sorry, but yes. Smokers are outside. Those who are non smokers that don't want to be around them have the entire inside all to themselves.

[Bonny]

Valid point - golfed at Hawkes Bay today and saw no less the 4 butts on the course. It's disgusting and there is no reason for that. Yes we picked them up by they should not have been there in the first place.:cus:

You cannot group them to all smokers. I would never think or ever throwing a cigarette butt on the golf course or anywhere else that was not trash or an ashtray.

[Bonny]

But I love to eat outside so I should give that up so someone can smoke? I am in favor of smoker's rights, but not when they tread on someone else.

Yes, just the same as when they stopped smoking inside we went outside so non smokers could have the entire inside. Just sayin'.

[Bonny]

I would like to ban people who speak too loud and act like a fool.
I want to ban everyone that has so much cologne on that I start choking from the fumes !

[DougB]

I want to ban everyone that has so much cologne on that I start choking from the fumes !

Speaking of cologne, do you think there is a reason they do not make an "Old Stogie" fragrance?

[Bonny]

Speaking of cologne, do you think there is a reason they do not make an "Old Stogie" fragrance?
:1rotfl:

[billethkid]

Take note how SOME obviously against cigar smoking ONLY know how to express themselves by being nasty and derogatory.
They are obviously of the my way or the highway society.

It is obviously the cover of anonymity that provides their discourteous bravado toward those who do not walk the same walka as theirs.

btk:popcorn::popcorn:

[njbchbum]

Take note how SOME obviously against cigar smoking ONLY know how to express themselves by being nasty and derogatory.
They are obviously of the my way or the highway society.

It is obviously the cover of anonymity that provides their discourteous bravado toward those who do not walk the same walka as theirs.

btk:popcorn::popcorn:

thank you, btk! I totally agree! and I add self-righteousness to the discourteous bravado.

[Golfingnut]

thank you, btk! I totally agree! and I add self-righteousness to the discourteous bravado.

I hear you and you are right for the most part I think due to the effect Cigar smoke has on Many people. Let me attempt to set the record straight:

I will only speak for myself:

Cigar smoke is more offensive to me than walking up the 3rd fairway of Becall on a balmy day.

I smoked cigarettes for many years but quit 25 years ago yet cigar smoke was very putrid to me even while drinking and smoking cigarettes.

Attempting to eat something down wind from a cigar smoker was and is absolutely impossible for me.

Since we all have different perception of what smells and tastes good/bad and in the case of cigar smoke, horrible to some, I would ask for those of us in the latter category to PLEASE sir/mam, enjoy your cigar in privacy and free the rest of us of what is for us a very negative experience. Please try to understand, Cigar smoke for many of us is far more than just an unpleasant smell, it is nauseating and truly unbearable. Why, I sincerely do not know, but as God is my witness, I speak the truth on this issue.

Please forgive our comments made that are insensitive and have been discourteous.

[Indydealmaker]

But I love to eat outside so I should give that up so someone can smoke? I am in favor of smoker's rights, but not when they tread on someone else.
Just think for a moment about what you just said. Non-smokers have rights but should they tread on smokers' rights? It is a conundrum that requires compromise. One part of the compromise is in place already. Smokers who might prefer to eat inside and have a smoke can no longer do so. Now, how about the other side of that compromise?

[bdabob]

For the life of me I can't understand how a licensed premise (licensed by health department or equivalent) can be allowed to permit smoking in any of their licensed areas!
The Surgeon General (Health Dept.) has determined that second hand smoke is a health hazard so..... Duh!!! This is a hazard to other patrons, employees and, yes, the smoker as well.
Please allow me to enjoy a meal outside at City Fire Brownwood (or any other establishment) without having to share in your habit.

[gomoho]

Just think for a moment about what you just said. Non-smokers have rights but should they tread on smokers' rights? It is a conundrum that requires compromise. One part of the compromise is in place already. Smokers who might prefer to eat inside and have a smoke can no longer do so. Now, how about the other side of that compromise?

That was exactly the point I was trying to make but apparently failed. Why should a smoker's right to smoke outside override my right to enjoy a meal outside. There needs to be some compromise and you can smoke a cigarette outside without offending people if you are only aware of what you are doing. Be conscious of which way the wind is blowing and for goodness sake don't put it in the ashtray to burn unattended. I was a 3 pack a day for many, many years and was always conscious of the people around. It's just a simple courtesy.

[Serenoa]

:agree:For the life of me I can't understand how a licensed premise (licensed by health department or equivalent) can be allowed to permit smoking in any of their licensed areas!
The Surgeon General (Health Dept.) has determined that second hand smoke is a health hazard so..... Duh!!! This is a hazard to other patrons, employees and, yes, the smoker as well.
Please allow me to enjoy a meal outside at City Fire Brownwood (or any other establishment) without having to share in your habit.

:agree::agree::agree::agree:

Why aren't there any smokers attempting to refute this?

[billethkid]

:agree:

:agree::agree::agree::agree:

Why aren't there any smokers attempting to refute this?

simply because it would be akin to a sensible pro gun VS anti gun discussion.....there is no such thing.

I know what I like and don't like in life...they are to my choosing. And when I encounter something I do not like I avoid it. If there is a place I do not like inside or outside for what ever reason I don't go there (too many options).
I do not expect pther people to change what their likes in life are to suit me.

I respect other opinions that are different than mine. I also expect others to do likewise.

The b-eye-itchin' about what other people like or dislike is such a waste of time.

I am always interested to meet people with the bully/crabbing/disparaging temperment eye to eye to see if they are as vociferous and rude as behind the keyboard.

It is another beautiful day in TV for most of us. For some the old addage applies...there is just no pleasin' some folks!!!!

btk

[Bonny]

simply because it would be akin to a sensible pro gun VS anti gun discussion.....there is no such thing.

I know what I like and don't like in life...they are to my choosing. And when I encounter something I do not like I avoid it. If there is a place I do not like inside or outside for what ever reason I don't go there (too many options).
I do not expect pther people to change what their likes in life are to suit me.

I respect other opinions that are different than mine. I also expect others to do likewise.

The b-eye-itchin' about what other people like or dislike is such a waste of time.

I am always interested to meet people with the bully/crabbing/disparaging temperment eye to eye to see if they are as vociferous and rude as behind the keyboard.

It is another beautiful day in TV for most of us. For some the old addage applies...there is just no pleasin' some folks!!!!

btk
:BigApplause:

[senior citizen]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

My dad's brothers and his uncles all smoked Italian cigars and they did smell. Their wives wouldn't allow them to smoke in the house so they had to go out on the front porch or back porch to smoke...........but strangely enough, not one of them got lung cancer, like folks get today from cigarettes which have a zillion added chemicals in them...........

These uncles and great uncles all lived into their 90's......still smoking the Italian cigars.

Also, at our son's wedding, all of the "executives" met in a separate "cigar smoking room" to smoke their beloved cigars......so it is being done..........and seems to be quite popular nowadays.....as it was in the past.

[billethkid]

over 90% of cigar smokers DO NOT INHALE!!!!!
That is not what smoking a cigar is about.
And for those who do not know and especially for those who do not want to know, they would not understand what it is about. And even if they understood it would not be accepted. Which is OK they are entitled. Just don't bad mouth those who do.

There are several insurance companies that rate cigar smokers as non smokers....because they do understand the difference between cigars and cigarettes.

btk

PS and yes there are other maladies/medical problems that can come from those who over indulge in cigar smoking. Casual or occasional cigar smokers are as healthy as non smokers.

[Golfingnut]

It is not nice to make up your own facts about serious issues like tobacco smoke from any tobacco source.

Read the fact from Cancer.org

What about secondhand cigar smoke? (http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/cigarsmoking/cigar-smoking-secondhand-smoke)

[senior citizen]

The "executives" I mentioned who were smoking cigars did not smoke as frequently as say a person who smokes a cigarette every 15 minutes while driving in the car, or otherwise on schedule to get their nicotine fix as it is an addictive habit which is hard to break. They seemed to do it more as a celebratory thing and a form of relaxation.

Ditto for the Italian Uncles. The cigars were smoked after dinner. I didn't live with them but since the aunts wouldn't let them smoke in the house.........I doubt if they were out on the back porch that often????? Especially in the wintertime. Anyway, it certainly did not affect their health at all.

I guess it would be akin to giving a new dad a cigar as a celebratory event when a new baby arrives. I'm not a smoker myself, but that's my guess.

[EdV]

Per the National Cancer Institute


Cigar smoke, like cigarette smoke, contains toxic and cancer-causing chemicals that are harmful to both smokers and nonsmokers.

There is no safe tobacco product, and there is no safe level of exposure to tobacco smoke.

The more you smoke, the greater your risk of disease.

Cigar smoking causes oral cavity cancers (cancers of the lip, tongue, mouth, and throat) and cancers of the larynx (voice box), esophagus, and lung.

All cigar and cigarette smokers, whether or not they inhale, directly expose their lips, mouth, tongue, throat, and larynx to tobacco smoke and its toxic and cancer-causing chemicals.


You have a right to poison yourself if you like but you don't have a right to poison me with it in a public gathering place.

[Barefoot]

Non-smokers have rights but should they tread on smokers' rights? It is a conundrum that requires compromise. One part of the compromise is in place already. Smokers who might prefer to eat inside and have a smoke can no longer do so. Now, how about the other side of that compromise?

I think there should be designated areas outside restaurants for smokers. They have rights too. And those of us who don't smoke can just avoid them.

[billethkid]

and please do us all a favor and do not go into the "poisoned" environment.

Isn't it amazing in this day and age we can all find whatever we need to make a point; some may view others findings as "making it up" to emphasize their point....doesn't make theirs more right.

This thread is headed the same direction as the gun pro VS anti gunners.....time to stop doing you know what in the wind!!!

I love a good DUSCUSSION so I guess I will be done with this thread....eh?

btk

[manaboutown]

Since most of the homes in TV are so very close to one another is anyone experiencing tobacco smoke from their adjacent or an upwind neighbor's home drifting into their lanai?

[justjim]

My grandfather smoked cigars and a pipe his entire life and lived to be 88 years old. Sure, smoking is bad for you and maybe "Pop" would've lived to a 100. Everything in moderation-----a relaxing cigar a week-----iMHO would not hurt your health at all. I quit 20 years ago this past October 31. But my father died of lung cancer complication and that was enough for me to quit smoking entirely.

[2BNTV]

You used to be able to relax at the outside bar at Cody's and Red Sauce in LSL with a wine and smoke a cigar. Not anymore! What's the difference between cigar smoke and cigarette smoke? It's outside! I say to all cigar enthusiast out there don't patronize Cody's and Red Sauce....your cigars are still welcome at City Fire and Sonny's outdoor bars. We smoker's have to put up with a lot of aggrevation from all the non smokers and their holier than thou attitudes.

I would like to request that you post where you are going to ignite errrr unite, and I would like you to respect my right not to be there. :smiley:

[Bonny]

Since most of the homes in TV are so very close to one another is anyone experiencing tobacco smoke from their adjacent or an upwind neighbor's home drifting into their lanai?
Really. Are you serious ?

[manaboutown]

Really. Are you serious ?

I am, pardon the pun, deadly serious. I want to be free to enjoy fresh clean air in my own home and yard.

[EdV]

and please do us all a favor and do not go into the "poisoned" environment.


“us all”? Surely you mean the “few of us” who remain oblivious to the fact that no one in this country is born with a right to inflict harm on others. And this attitude of “If you don’t like it, go somewhere else” is quite frankly both arrogant and insensitive.

On the other hand, having been a heavy smoker for 40 years until it nearly killed me, I understand a smoker’s needs particularly around food or drinks.

So I agree with Barefoot that if a restaurant wants to accommodate it’s smoking customers it should set aside an outdoor section for them with a fan that blows away from the non-smoking section. But establishing the entire outdoor area for smokers is not an equitable solution.

[Serenoa]

simply because it would be akin to a sensible pro gun VS anti gun discussion.....there is no such thing.

I know what I like and don't like in life...they are to my choosing. And when I encounter something I do not like I avoid it. If there is a place I do not like inside or outside for what ever reason I don't go there (too many options).
I do not expect pther people to change what their likes in life are to suit me.

I respect other opinions that are different than mine. I also expect others to do likewise.

The b-eye-itchin' about what other people like or dislike is such a waste of time.

I am always interested to meet people with the bully/crabbing/disparaging temperment eye to eye to see if they are as vociferous and rude as behind the keyboard.

It is another beautiful day in TV for most of us. For some the old addage applies...there is just no pleasin' some folks!!!!

btk

Sorry, but your attempt to over-simplify this whole issue into one of mere likes vs dislikes doesn't fly. I dislike country/western music therefore I don't listen to or buy it. But I certainly wouldn't be putting my personal health at risk if I mistakenly did so, or someone else played it in my presence (unless I stuff the cotton too deep into my ears). It becomes a little more than just "b-eye-itchin" about personal preferences when your behaviour is putting other's health at risk.

[ilovetv]

Regarding:
and please do us all a favor and do not go into the "poisoned" environment.

Isn't it amazing in this day and age we can all find whatever we need to make a point; some may view others findings as "making it up" to emphasize their point....doesn't make theirs more right.

See:
"......Nicotine in third-hand smoke, the residue from tobacco smoke that clings to virtually all surfaces long after a cigarette has been extinguished, reacts with the common indoor air pollutant nitrous acid to produce dangerous carcinogens. This new potential health hazard was revealed in a multi-institutional study led by researchers with the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab).

In tests at Berkeley Lab of cellulose surfaces contaminated with nicotine residues from third-hand smoke, levels of newly formed TSNAs rose 10 times following a three hour exposure to nitrous acid. TSNAs are potent carcinogens. (Photo by Roy Kaltschmidt, Berkeley Lab Public Affairs)
“The burning of tobacco releases nicotine in the form of a vapor that adsorbs strongly onto indoor surfaces, such as walls, floors, carpeting, drapes and furniture. Nicotine can persist on those materials for days, weeks and even months.

Our study shows that when this residual nicotine reacts with ambient nitrous acid it forms carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines or TSNAs,” says Hugo Destaillats, a chemist with the Indoor Environment Department of Berkeley Lab’s Environmental Energy Technologies Division. “TSNAs are among the most broadly acting and potent carcinogens present in unburned tobacco and tobacco smoke......”

Study reveals dangers of nicotine in third-hand smoke « Berkeley Lab News Center (http://newscenter.lbl.gov/news-releases/2010/02/08/dangers-of-third-hand-smoke/)

This is on the U.S. Dept. of Energy scientific website. Seems like valid science to me....not "made up".

[justjim]

I am, pardon the pun, deadly serious. I want to be free to enjoy fresh clean air in my own home and yard.

:boom: You talk about a "delicate" neighbor issue!

[crummybuttons]

Drinking alcohol is bad too. Do you want to ban all alcohol from the Vilages? Yeah that would go over real big.
For the life of me I can't understand how a licensed premise (licensed by health department or equivalent) can be allowed to permit smoking in any of their licensed areas!
The Surgeon General (Health Dept.) has determined that second hand smoke is a health hazard so..... Duh!!! This is a hazard to other patrons, employees and, yes, the smoker as well.
Please allow me to enjoy a meal outside at City Fire Brownwood (or any other establishment) without having to share in your habit.

[njbchbum]

drinking alcohol is bad too. Do you want to ban all alcohol from the vilages? Yeah that would go over real big.

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[ilovetv]

Drinking alcohol is bad too. Do you want to ban all alcohol from the Vilages? Yeah that would go over real big.

Sorry, but you purposely miss the point.

Booze is not airborne. Thus it's not able to float onto our skin/hair, making us in need of a shower and hair wash again after doing all that before arriving.

It's also unable to float and be inhaled into our lungs while we choose to drink a soda or other nonalcoholic drink.

[njbchbum]

smokers have far fewer designated smoking areas than non-smokers have designated non-smoking areas.

as long as each respects the other's designated areas - end of story.

[crummybuttons]

No point missed here. You are pointing out the dangers of smoking and it's smell. Well Booze comes with dangers also along with odors. We all have choices whether they're good or bad for us. The point is, if people choose to smoke then we will. Last time I looked this was a free country.



Sorry, but you purposely miss the point.

Booze is not airborne. Thus it's not able to float onto our skin/hair, making us in need of a shower and hair wash again after doing all that before arriving.

It's also unable to float and be inhaled into our lungs while we choose to drink a soda or other nonalcoholic drink.

[Golfingnut]

Sorry, but you purposely miss the point.

Booze is not airborne. Thus it's not able to float onto our skin/hair, making us in need of a shower and hair wash again after doing all that before arriving.

It's also unable to float and be inhaled into our lungs while we choose to drink a soda or other nonalcoholic drink.

Very True and you are right, he totally missed the point.

[bdabob]

No point missed here. You are pointing out the dangers of smoking and it's smell. Well Booze comes with dangers also along with odors. We all have choices whether they're good or bad for us. The point is, if people choose to smoke then we will. Last time I looked this was a free country.

Not sure what part of the hazards of second hand smoke has escaped your observation. Your Surgeon General (I'm not from the US) has determined this as fact and has brought in much legislation to try and save smokers from themselves and their neighbors.
My point is that if you choose to make bad choices (whether it's booze or smoking) then it shouldn't adversely affect others around you.

[rubicon]

I got hooked up with a guy who was smoking cigars. I had just hit my drive when wind swept cigar smoke into my mouth and down my lungs. I gagged my guts up. I do believe in individual freedoms but honestly at that moment my thoughts were not charitable.

[57ChevyFI]

Here's the biggest issue I see. Your dining experience does rely on your sense of smell. Anyone who has had a cold and can't breathe through their nose, will notice there's not much taste to their food. Cigar and cigarette smoking affects your dining experience. Wouldn't you agree that the main objective of a restaurant, is for people to eat food? I really don't think entrepreneurs open restaurants, in the hope of having people come in and smoke without eating. Some people who don't smoke or have stopped smoking find it offensive while eating, BECAUSE eating does rely on your sense of smell. Lets try this. There are a group of people who LOVE the smell of dog...... lets go with poop. They bring it with them wherever they go eat. They breathe it in and blow the smell to others in the restaurant while they eat. Would the same smokers be saying, well it's there right to bring poop into restaurants? I know I'm eating but hey, the love the smell of it and the smell of dog poop does not affect my dining experience, the food still tastes great and it's their right to bring dog poop into the restaurant and fill the restaurant with the odor. I know this is a extreme example, but it is not out of the realm in today's society.

[memason]

Is there a full moon ?????

[Serenoa]

Very True and you are right, he totally missed the point.

And I would hazard a guess that it was an intentional miss. It was just another lame attempt to justify what the smokers have got to know is WRONG. Until it's made illegal some will continue to smoke wherever they damn well please, regardless if it offends or puts other's health at risk. Their so-called "right" to pollute the air trumps anything & everything.

[manaboutown]

And I would hazard a guess that it was an intentional miss. It was just another lame attempt to justify what the smokers have got to know is WRONG. Until it's made illegal some will continue to smoke wherever they damn well please, regardless if it offends or puts other's health at risk. Their so-called "right" to pollute the air trumps anything & everything.

At least twenty years ago I read that nicotine is seven times as addictive as heroine. In one study nicotine was administered in droplets under the tongue. The people tested, who apparently had used drugs and knew the effects of cocaine, thought that the nicotine was cocaine. Thus, nicotine is powerful stuff and it is notoriously extremely addictive. Smokers who quit experience withdrawal symptoms and continue to crave a tobacco fix for many years afterward, as we all know only too well.

I have observed and smelled smokers sneaking smokes where they are not supposed to, such as in airport bathrooms, and where it can be quite dangerous for themselves as well as others, such as while filling their vehicles's gas tanks at service stations. I have known two smokers dying of lung cancer who had their oxygen tents shut down so they could sneak smokes in their hospital beds! Hospital rules, the law and safety be d*mned!

[Patty55]

I think anyone sitting in the smoking section should be forced to smoke. Sounds fair to me.

[billethkid]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[skyc6]

Here's the biggest issue I see. Your dining experience does rely on your sense of smell. Anyone who has had a cold and can't breathe through their nose, will notice there's not much taste to their food. Cigar and cigarette smoking affects your dining experience. Wouldn't you agree that the main objective of a restaurant, is for people to eat food? I really don't think entrepreneurs open restaurants, in the hope of having people come in and smoke without eating. Some people who don't smoke or have stopped smoking find it offensive while eating, BECAUSE eating does rely on your sense of smell. Lets try this. There are a group of people who LOVE the smell of dog...... lets go with poop. They bring it with them wherever they go eat. They breathe it in and blow the smell to others in the restaurant while they eat. Would the same smokers be saying, well it's there right to bring poop into restaurants? I know I'm eating but hey, the love the smell of it and the smell of dog poop does not affect my dining experience, the food still tastes great and it's their right to bring dog poop into the restaurant and fill the restaurant with the odor. I know this is a extreme example, but it is not out of the realm in today's society.

This is hilarious! Wonder what we could call this restaurant?? Poopy"s?? Stinky's??
Made me smile!

[rp001]

I got hooked up with a guy who was smoking cigars. I had just hit my drive when wind swept cigar smoke into my mouth and down my lungs. I gagged my guts up. I do believe in individual freedoms but honestly at that moment my thoughts were not charitable.

I always ask my assigned partner if he/she smokes. If the answer is yes, I won't ride with them. I have been in a situation a couple of times and the starter let us take three carts. I used to smoke, and understand the addiction and how tough it is to break. I honestly cannot stand to be around the smell any more and choose not to.

[Ecuadog]

I think anyone sitting in the smoking section should be forced to smoke. Sounds fair to me.

Thank you, Patty55. I love it. Excellent.

[gemorc]

The old adage applies. "I don't mind if you smoke, just don't exhale."

[njbchbum]

And I would hazard a guess that it was an intentional miss. It was just another lame attempt to justify what the smokers have got to know is WRONG. Until it's made illegal some will continue to smoke wherever they damn well please, regardless if it offends or puts other's health at risk. Their so-called "right" to pollute the air trumps anything & everything.

serenoa - what is WRONG with smokers smoking in their assigned smoking section as they damn well please?

[DougB]

The old adage applies. "I don't mind if you smoke, just don't exhale."


Or, "Do I mind if you smoke? I don't care if you burn".

[Patty55]

I always ask my assigned partner if he/she smokes. If the answer is yes, I won't ride with them. I have been in a situation a couple of times and the starter let us take three carts. I used to smoke, and understand the addiction and how tough it is to break. I honestly cannot stand to be around the smell any more and choose not to.

I hear ya, I always ask their IQ, I've had a few times where I almost had my brain sucked out. You can't be too careul out there.

[jbdlfan]

Maybe we could ban gas golf carts. The fumes are dangerous to our health. Not sure why I have to ride behind one and smell the nasty odor coming from them. Have you ever sat by a person who has been driving one, they stink terribly? We should probably have a seperate driving area just for gas carts. How about those tunnels? I drive through them and have to smell the fumes. Maybe even ban them from the golf courses, you know, global warming and all.

[billethkid]

:evil6: :beer3: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[ilovetv]

Maybe we could ban gas golf carts. The fumes are dangerous to our health. Not sure why I have to ride behind one and smell the nasty odor coming from them. Have you ever sat by a person who has been driving one, they stink terribly? We should probably have a seperate driving area just for gas carts. How about those tunnels? I drive through them and have to smell the fumes. Maybe even ban them from the golf courses, you know, global warming and all.

Nobody is paying to dine beside/behind a golf cart exhaust pipe.

In a restaurant/bar, people are paying for a clean, unpolluted atmosphere in which they can eat/drink without being nauseated by a stench that is preventable.

[pooh]

If you are making a fuss about smoking outside, know that CA doesn't even allow smoking at state parks and beaches....and some cities prohibit smoking within 100 ft of the beaches and parks within the city limits. In Newport Beach, smoking is also banned on the boardwalk, public piers and within 25 feet of a playground or within 20 feet of community centers and public buildings.

It is now illegal to light up in outdoor dining areas in Los Angeles.
The Los Angeles ordinance prohibits smoking within 10 feet of outdoor dining areas and food courts and within 40 feet of food carts and mobile food trucks. Bars and 18-and-over nightclubs with outdoor areas are exempt from the law.
There are other cities in the state that also prohibit smoking in outdoor dining areas of restaurants. The smoking is prohibited for all the reasons others have discussed in previous posts.

More and more states, municipalities, will eventually enact laws that will limit areas for smoking, whether smokers like it or not. Secondhand and third hand smoke, yes, third hand smoke, impacts all around. Liquor impacts the drinker, it is ingested and does what it does, to the drinker, not people standing nearby. As for saying liquor smells, it might, but not far from where it is.

I'm not telling anyone they cannot smoke, but do hope that it is recognized that even while smoking outdoors, they may be impacting others even a bit away from the area.

[Fourpar]

...Well put, Pooh!

[MikeAndreson]

I agreed pooh and excellent comment. I think it should be ban at every public place. Also, there must be a ban for ages below 14. I started smoking last 4 years ago but it is not habitual for me. I never smoked in home or at public place so that people get harm from cigar smoke.

[jbdlfan]

Nobody is paying to dine beside/behind a golf cart exhaust pipe.

In a restaurant/bar, people are paying for a clean, unpolluted atmosphere in which they can eat/drink without being nauseated by a stench that is preventable.

Um.....some of the outdoor seating areas are right next to the roads......fumes don't just stay on the road. Re Sauce, City Fire, Gators, Luigios, Flippers, Margarita Republic.
Not to mention, I pay trail fees and I get stuck smelling those fumes. I sometimes eat on the way to work or on the golf course, so actually I do pay to dine sucking the fumes.

[graciegirl]

I used to smoke but not cigars.

There is nothing worse than a reformed anything, which would be me.

I thought of this old song when I was reading this thread.

youtube smoke smoke smoke that cigarette - Bing Videos (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+smoke+smoke+smoke+that+cigarette&mid=8A6D1A2C4D3C66147DA68A6D1A2C4D3C66147DA6&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1)

[CFrance]

I don't smoke, but I used to. Frankly, I find cigar smoke to be less offensive than cigarette smoke. If it's a cherry cigar, I like it. Reminds me of my older next-door neighbor back in the '80s. I think of him every time I smell that, and how great he was to our little boys who spent a lot of time bothering him at his house. ( And smelling secondhand smoke that we didn't know was dangerous at the time.)

But that was back when it wasn't taboo to smoke in public. Times have changed, and we need to change to meet up with today's health standards.

[pooh]

Um.....some of the outdoor seating areas are right next to the roads......fumes don't just stay on the road. Re Sauce, City Fire, Gators, Luigios, Flippers, Margarita Republic.
Not to mention, I pay trail fees and I get stuck smelling those fumes. I sometimes eat on the way to work or on the golf course, so actually I do pay to dine sucking the fumes.


True, but autos also drive on those roads. Cars aren't emission free either.
Right now the topic under discussion is cigar/cigarette smoke. Auto and gas golf carts are a different topic.....and the tail pipe for my cart at least, is on the drivers's side so the exhaust fumes aren't blowing directly into diners' faces, at Red Sauce.

[billethkid]

I can resist no longer.

For those who verbalize how great it would be to have laws banning smoking outdoors. Just what makes any of you think once that level of regulating our lives takes hold what makes you think it will stop at smoking just because you don't?

Well it won't. And when a regulation hits upon something that affects YOU, demanding that YOU, give up your previous RIGHT to do what you like.....then we will hear from the hypocrits.

There I feel better and can now go back to my :popcorn::popcorn::)

btk

[NIPAS K-9]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:does anyone wonder if the comments posted here show the true measure of character of the posters as I wonder?

[bdabob]

I can resist no longer.

For those who verbalize how great it would be to have laws banning smoking outdoors. Just what makes any of you think once that level of regulating our lives takes hold what makes you think it will stop at smoking just because you don't?

Well it won't. And when a regulation hits upon something that affects YOU, demanding that YOU, give up your previous RIGHT to do what you like.....then we will hear from the hypocrits.

There I feel better and can now go back to my :popcorn::popcorn::)

btk

There is no such thing as "smoker's rights", in my opinion.

[graciegirl]

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[QUOTE=billethkid;646042]I can resist no longer.

For those who verbalize how great it would be to have laws banning smoking outdoors. Just what makes any of you think once that level of regulating our lives takes hold what makes you think it will stop at smoking just because you don't?

Well it won't. And when a regulation hits upon something that affects YOU, demanding that YOU, give up your previous RIGHT to do what you like.....then we will hear from the hypocrits.


Sweetie and I were asked to stop necking in public.

But feel it is our right to do so.

Neither of us smoke while necking, that I have noticed.

We do sweat a little.

[billethkid]

There is no such thing as "smoker's rights", in my opinion.

Opinion duly noted. However the point being made was missed/ignored to emphasize a personal opinion instead.

Aren't we all fortunate that our "rights" (IN GENERAL) were and are not determined by an individual opinion only.

Now I have to work doubly hard again to not get sucked onto this merry go round....again.:wave:

btk

[graciegirl]

...

[CFrance]

l
[QUOTE=billethkid;646042]I can resist no longer.

For those who verbalize how great it would be to have laws banning smoking outdoors. Just what makes any of you think once that level of regulating our lives takes hold what makes you think it will stop at smoking just because you don't?

Well it won't. And when a regulation hits upon something that affects YOU, demanding that YOU, give up your previous RIGHT to do what you like.....then we will hear from the hypocrits.


Sweetie and I were asked to stop necking in public.

But feel it is our right to do so.

Neither of us smoke while necking, that I have noticed.

We do sweat a little.

I demand the right to be around sweatless neckers. :p

[jbdlfan]

I can resist no longer.

For those who verbalize how great it would be to have laws banning smoking outdoors. Just what makes any of you think once that level of regulating our lives takes hold what makes you think it will stop at smoking just because you don't?

Well it won't. And when a regulation hits upon something that affects YOU, demanding that YOU, give up your previous RIGHT to do what you like.....then we will hear from the hypocrits.

There I feel better and can now go back to my :popcorn::popcorn::)

btk

Exactly. I was being sarcastic regarding the gas golf carts, but where does it stop? Every single problem expressed regarding smoking can also be attributed to gas carts. I have to say, I am very confused over your generation these days. Generally most were always for individual rights but that has seemed to have waivered tremendously lately. Everything that made the "Greatest Generation", in my opinion, is suffering a change.

[graciegirl]

exactly. I was being sarcastic regarding the gas golf carts, but where does it stop? Every single problem expressed regarding smoking can also be attributed to gas carts. I have to say, i am very confused over your generation these days. Generally most were always for individual rights but that has seemed to have waivered tremendously lately. Everything that made the "greatest generation", in my opinion, is suffering a change.


your generation??????

[EdV]

There is no such thing as "smoker's rights", in my opinion.

Opinion duly noted. However the point being made was missed/ignored to emphasize a personal opinion instead.

Aren't we all fortunate that our "rights" (IN GENERAL) were and are not determined by an individual opinion only....

No court (including the U.S. Supreme Court) has ever recognized smoking as a protected fundamental right nor has any court ever found smokers to be a protected class. To the contrary, every court that has considered the issue has declared that no fundamental “right to smoke” exists.

So long as a smoking regulation is rationally related to a legitimate government objective such as protecting public health or the environment, the regulation will be upheld as constitutional.

Those are the facts, but you do have a right to ignore it.

[jbdlfan]

your generation??????

Just having a little fun! :wave:

[Mickedamouse24]

Hey! I'm all for you smokers killing yourselves! You have every personal right to do so!! Just, please don't take us nonsmokers down with you!!!

[billethkid]

Those are the facts, but you do have a right to ignore it.

Seems that litany can be applied to _ _ _ _ _ _ fill in the blank!!!

I personally have a problem with letter of the law (regulation) in this case, since it is only quoted and of value when trying to win or lose an issue. Very similar to the legal system where more often than not either uses the letter of the law, or chosses to hide behind it which ever allows ones case to be made.

For the smoking issue, like so many others of this type, I much prefer the common sense approach to today's seeming need to win and another lose!!!!!

btk

[manaboutown]

If you are making a fuss about smoking outside, know that CA doesn't even allow smoking at state parks and beaches....and some cities prohibit smoking within 100 ft of the beaches and parks within the city limits. In Newport Beach, smoking is also banned on the boardwalk, public piers and within 25 feet of a playground or within 20 feet of community centers and public buildings.

It is now illegal to light up in outdoor dining areas in Los Angeles.
The Los Angeles ordinance prohibits smoking within 10 feet of outdoor dining areas and food courts and within 40 feet of food carts and mobile food trucks. Bars and 18-and-over nightclubs with outdoor areas are exempt from the law.
There are other cities in the state that also prohibit smoking in outdoor dining areas of restaurants. The smoking is prohibited for all the reasons others have discussed in previous posts.

More and more states, municipalities, will eventually enact laws that will limit areas for smoking, whether smokers like it or not. Secondhand and third hand smoke, yes, third hand smoke, impacts all around. Liquor impacts the drinker, it is ingested and does what it does, to the drinker, not people standing nearby. As for saying liquor smells, it might, but not far from where it is.

I'm not telling anyone they cannot smoke, but do hope that it is recognized that even while smoking outdoors, they may be impacting others even a bit away from the area.

Having spent a good deal of the last 22 years in Newport Beach I have welcomed these common sense laws which were enacted over the years in the interest of public health. I have become accustomed to not worrying about whether or not the air would be clean wherever I went. That is why I was literally shocked by encountering tobacco smoke so many places I went on my otherwise very pleasant stays in The Villages. I found the experience of all too frequently unexpectedly inhaling lungfuls environmental tobacco smoke not just disagreeable but rather intolerable.