NY invasion of privacy again

[Heartnsoul]

Latest Now you can sit home, call in on your gov't issued phone to report ANYONE you think may be in possession of a gun illegally. Insane!! And you'll receive $500 so now you can make this your job. Just sit home, go through phone book and call everyone in.

[graciegirl]

Latest Now you can sit home, call in on your gov't issued phone to report ANYONE you think may be in possession of a gun illegally. Insane!! And you'll receive $500 so now you can make this your job. Just sit home, go through phone book and call everyone in.

What are you talking about? Could you link us or tell us something about the subject?

[2BNTV]

Sorry but there must be more to this story. Would you please provide a link?

[janmcn]

Latest Now you can sit home, call in on your gov't issued phone to report ANYONE you think may be in possession of a gun illegally. Insane!! And you'll receive $500 so now you can make this your job. Just sit home, go through phone book and call everyone in.

So you're saying I can collect $500 per call whether they have a gun or not?

[villages07]

Apparently, it is true..

New York offers $500 reward for reporting illegal gun owners | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/21/new-york-state-offers-500-reward-for-reporting-illegal-gun-owners/)

Here's the official NYC website... as one would expect, the tip would have to lead to an arrest (and conviction?) in order to collect the reward..

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/home/rewards.shtml

[DaleMN]

Would it be an invasion of privacy if a child's life were saved?

[Cisco Kid]

Latest Now you can sit home, call in on your gov't issued phone to report ANYONE you think may be in possession of a gun illegally. Insane!! And you'll receive $500 so now you can make this your job. Just sit home, go through phone book and call everyone in.

So it looks like I can retire I buy in TV sooner than I thought.
:loco::loco:

[Patty55]

This will never work in NY, the first things you learn there is MYOB and nobody likes a snitch.

[buggyone]

Illegal guns have caused too many deaths in so many large cities. I do not see anything wrong with paying tipsters to get the illegal guns and their owners off the streets.

I do not understand what a "government issued phone" is. If he meant a phone for low income persons, that dates back to the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

[Serenoa]

If you're engaged in illegal activity I believe you've waived your right to privacy.

Wish Alabama would follow NY & do the same. I could have a home in TV with a new Corvette in the driveway pretty dang quick.

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[Cantwaittoarrive]

Would it be an invasion of privacy if a child's life were saved?

Yes

[Cantwaittoarrive]

If you're engaged in illegal activity I believe you've waived your right to privacy.


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Not true this is why a judge has to sign a search warrant for the government to search your house. The authorities have to convince a judge that there is enough evidence that you are engaging in illegal activity, not just that you are suspected of engaging in illegal activity. In the USA you are "suppose" to be innocent until found guilty by a jury of your peers

[Serenoa]

gosh, I thought one simple phone call & the POlice would roll up, kick my neighbor's door in & steal all of his guns just on my word alone, no questions asked.

get real.

[2BNTV]

It seems to me the $500 would be available if the person reported did have an illegal gun/s. I don't think this program will make a dent in the amount of illegal guns taken off the street. IMHO

[Heartnsoul]

gosh, I thought one simple phone call & the POlice would roll up, kick my neighbor's door in & steal all of his guns just on my word alone, no questions asked.

get real.

Real is the story that just occurred when the father who was a trained safety officer of guns and his son who was holding a gun had their home raided by police and social services . Fortunately the man was smart enough to know his constitutional rights and called his attorney.

[blueash]

The use of the phrase government issued phone tells you everything you need to know about the world view of the OP.

[gomoho]

the use of the phrase government issued phone tells you everything you need to know about the word view of the op.

ouch!

[rubicon]

what type of government pays people to spy on their neighbors? It was popular in Germany and Eastern Europe for about 50 years. I find the program will be fraught with problems and mistakes.

[CarolSells]

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
(The true author of this poem is often debated.)

Not meant to be political here...it's just that so many posts are troublesome to me. Doesn't anyone remember the Summer of Love? Flower Power? The Road To Woodstock?

[manaboutown]

If NYC or for that matter almost any large city started a program awarding $500 to people who turned in welfare cheats that city could save a lot of money it is paying out unnecessarily.

[graciegirl]

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
(The true author of this poem is often debated.)

Not meant to be political here...it's just that so many posts are troublesome to me. Doesn't anyone remember the Summer of Love? Flower Power? The Road To Woodstock?

Carol! You want to legalize drugs????? ;) ;);)

[CarolSells]

Carol! You want to legalize drugs????? ;) ;);)

:wave: Hmmm. Tough question. I personally have never had an interest in drugs so I don't have a dog in that fight! If I were queen I might suggest less criminalization and jail clogging...but I'm no expert.

Judging others and ratting out others is kinda problematic. How about retribution to the ratters? And haven't they all ready tried Guns For Cash, or something like that?

I just get concerned when people advocate taking away more of our rights.

[Heartnsoul]

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
(The true author of this poem is often debated.)

Not meant to be political here...it's just that so many posts are troublesome to me. Doesn't anyone remember the Summer of Love? Flower Power? The Road To Woodstock?

Oh sure we all remember Woodstock , summer of Love, smoking POT, fleeing to Canada to avoid the draft, however no problem today, smoking POT is LEGAL in some states. Just pray it's not your kid behind the wheel when the pot smoking love child crashes into yours and kills him or her. May you be able to FORGIVE.

[DaleMN]

Yes

Then I say: Let the invading begin. :mad:

[CarolSells]

WoW!!! I was referring to being kind to others, both in real life and on here in cyber life. The level of perfection which has apparently been achieved by a number of posters here on TOTV makes my head swim!

[rubicon]

It is indeed sad to find the number of people on TOTV that based on their comments would give up their freedoms so easily. The end justifies the means mentality is the easiest way to penetrate people's privacy. I was shocked when reviewing the discussion on drones to have one poster say he didn't care if the government came in his house he has nothing to hide.

Another poster on this thread mocked the prospect that law enforcement or government would raid their home illegally but the fact is that it happens all the time . Why? Because a cop may believe the end justifies the means.

We Americans are easy targets because we have taken for granted freedoms so many Americans sacrificed for us to preserve. The primary right is our property rights which I define broadly and government is taking them slice by slice and most people don't even notice and perhaps care.

Sad Sad Sad

[ugotme]

what type of government pays people to spy on their neighbors? It was popular in Germany and Eastern Europe for about 50 years. I find the program will be fraught with problems and mistakes.

THIS Government!

Right you are!

[graciegirl]

WoW!!! I was referring to being kind to others, both in real life and on here in cyber life. The level of perfection which has apparently been achieved by a number of posters here on TOTV makes my head swim!

You are right as usual.

You know I was pulling on your leg I hope about the drugs and Woodstock. Just teasin' you a little because you are an Ohio girl and I figured you could take it.



I am a conservative, but if you break the law and are hiding a gun....well, you are a lawbreaker. I don't know what should be done with you, but I don't like you or your gun. I have never had a gun so all this stuff baffles me. I don't understand the issues at all. The only people I have EVER known in my life with guns were hunters and policeman until I moved here.

[janmcn]

Oh sure we all remember Woodstock , summer of Love, smoking POT, fleeing to Canada to avoid the draft, however no problem today, smoking POT is LEGAL in some states. Just pray it's not your kid behind the wheel when the pot smoking love child crashes into yours and kills him or her. May you be able to FORGIVE.

POT is LEGAL in TWO states because the majority of the voters approved it. If you don't want to smoke pot, stay out of Colorado and Oregon.

BTW, this would be a good time to contact your state legislator and tell him/her your views on legalized pot, while the Florida Legislature is in session.

[Serenoa]

Wonder if this good citizen will get his $500?

Sure hope so!

300-gun arsenal seized from Long Island, NY, home - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/21/17403948-300-gun-arsenal-seized-from-long-island-ny-home?lite=)

[DaleMN]

Don't worry.......be happy! :doh:

[CFrance]

Real is the story that just occurred when the father who was a trained safety officer of guns and his son who was holding a gun had their home raided by police and social services . Fortunately the man was smart enough to know his constitutional rights and called his attorney.

And unfortunately, he was stupid enough to post a picture of his son holding a rifle on facebook and bring a bunch of bad publicity down on the poor ten-year-old. Imagine the grief he's getting at school right now. And the publicity that will trail this kid for years to come.

Some people have no common sense.

[CFrance]

THIS Government!

Right you are!

You know, Silent Observer tipping has been around for decades--with rewards for leading to arrest and conviction. I simply don't see how this is any different than what we've been doing all along. You know of someone possessing a gun illegally... they are committing a crime, and you have a right to turn them inn for your own protection and that of others.

Do your law-abiding rights trump his/her criminal's rights? Who's invading whose privacy? There has to be a level of providing safety to the public, and that may at time involve invading some criminal's privacy.

[Patty55]

Wonder if this good citizen will get his $500?

Sure hope so!

300-gun arsenal seized from Long Island, NY, home - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/21/17403948-300-gun-arsenal-seized-from-long-island-ny-home?lite=)

He is not in NYC.

[Parker]

If NYC or for that matter almost any large city started a program awarding $500 to people who turned in welfare cheats that city could save a lot of money it is paying out unnecessarily.

Oh, if only....

[Cisco Kid]

Wonder if this good citizen will get his $500?

Sure hope so!

300-gun arsenal seized from Long Island, NY, home - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/21/17403948-300-gun-arsenal-seized-from-long-island-ny-home?lite=)

I wonder if her will get paid per gun

[Serenoa]

He is not in NYC.

What is your point? The hotline is for the entire state of New York.

New York offers $500 reward for reporting illegal gun owners | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/21/new-york-state-offers-500-reward-for-reporting-illegal-gun-owners/)

[buggyone]

To me, tiplines to the police are good things. If a no-good-nik is taken off the streets, it is always a good thing.

If you knew that your next door neighbor had committed a felony (eg. hit and run that killed a person), wouldn't you call the police and give the tip to get him arrested? I know I would!

[JourneyOfLife]

Well, let's break that down. Possession of a firearm illegally. Which is likely a felony. Which is likely to make them a criminal.

What was the problem again?

Many communities have a hotline for certain crimes with a small reward it it leads to an arrest.

I think it is a great idea.

I don't live in NY.... but you want to know how many people that I know that I could call in an report.... Zip! I make it a point to avoid people and situations like that... at least if I know it.

Most people that illegally possess firearms do not advertise it... except to their victims, the people they threaten, or fellow criminals.... possibly the family members of those people... including the criminal.

[DaleMN]

To me, tiplines to the police are good things. If a no-good-nik is taken off the streets, it is always a good thing.

If you knew that your next door neighbor had committed a felony (eg. hit and run that killed a person), wouldn't you call the police and give the tip to get him arrested? I know I would!

But, oh my!...Wouldn't that be an invasion of privacy? See how ludicrous it all is. :doh:

[buggyone]

But, oh my!...Wouldn't that be an invasion of privacy? See how ludicrous it all is. :doh:

I was just reading a story on Yahoo News that reported two teens in Brunswick, Georgia, had been arrested in the killing of a baby during a robbery of the baby's mother. It appears the arrests were made based on a police tipline that offered a reward.

Do the posters who feel that tiplines are an invasion of privacy (somehow?) feel it was wrong to arrest the suspects who supposedly killed a baby in cold blood during a robbery?

[CFrance]

:agree:I was just reading a story on Yahoo News that reported two teens in Brunswick, Georgia, had been arrested in the killing of a baby during a robbery of the baby's mother. It appears the arrests were made based on a police tipline that offered a reward.

Do the posters who feel that tiplines are an invasion of privacy (somehow?) feel it was wrong to arrest the suspects who supposedly killed a baby in cold blood during a robbery?



I'M with you, buggyone.

[JourneyOfLife]

Amazing.... and Sad. What happened to common sense?

Rhetoric (often outright distortion) is an effective tool to manipulate people... Some seem to thrive on it as if it is a source of legitimate information that embodies critical thought.

Some of the consumers of it weave together several lines of disconnected rhetoric into even more imaginative conspiracies.