Under 55 Residents

[niftynanna]

I was recently told there are 3 villages that allow families with children to live in TV provided they own a business or work for a business in TV. Their children can go to the Charter School and these 3 villages are located near family pools. Is this true?

[skyc6]

I was recently told there are 3 villages that allow families with children to live in TV provided they own a business or work for a business in TV. Their children can go to the Charter School and these 3 villages are located near family pools. Is this true?

Yes, that is true. I think you can also use The Villages schools if the parents work at least 20 hours in the Villages.
I know one of the neighborhoods is located behind Target, and there are 2 more.

I don't know about being near family pools, but as your guests, they can use the family pools with some restrictions.

[graciegirl]

Family pools are for residents and their family members.

The Villages you speak of are NOT part of The Villages and do not pay amenity fees and cannot use OUR amenities .

Anyone can buy there. I'm pretty sure. Help?

[Bogie Shooter]

I was recently told there are 3 villages that allow families with children to live in TV provided they own a business or work for a business in TV. Their children can go to the Charter School and these 3 villages are located near family pools. Is this true?

I question if this is true. Can't anyone buy in those villages?

[delima2000]

Anyone can buy in those villages but the schools have rules. You can not use our amenities. You can use your golf cart to travel to stores and the town squares.

[niftynanna]

In the 3 Villages located in TV are the houses rentals or purchased by the families? If they are in TV and purchase the house, why are they NOT part of TV and therefore pay amenity fees? I'm new here and this was the first that I heard of it. I don't have a problem with it, just curious.

[graciegirl]

In the 3 Villages located in TV are the houses rentals or purchased by the families? If they are in TV and purchase the house, why are they NOT part of TV and therefore pay amenity fees? I'm new here and this was the first that I heard of it. I don't have a problem with it, just curious.

You can buy and maybe rent from an owner in these villages but if you live there it is NOT part of The Villages. At least one village was built by the developer for families who would possibly work here, The others are owned by other people.

These villages are NOT part of TheVillages. They are NEAR, but not IN. Contiguous but not part. Convenient but not a member.

Here is a thread on this subject that may help. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/working-villages-70065/

[duffysmom]

NO ONE can be a resident of TV if they are under the age of 19. :clap2:

As mentioned the villages you refer to are NOT a part of TV and do not have access to any of the amenities. This is a SENIOR COMMUNITY. Sorry for the shout out but it's something I feel strongly about.

[niftynanna]

Thanks for info, sorry if this is a sore topic, only asking since I hadn't heard it before.

[billethkid]

it is a mis-nomer to call them "villages" because they are not. It is not in the title of the subdivision. They may look like TV homes (now I wonder why that could be?).

They are no different than any other non villages residents when it comes to using TV facilities.

Answer to the question? It is not true.

btk

[Bogie Shooter]

it is a mis-nomer to call them "villages" because they are not. It is not in the title of the subdivision. They may look like TV homes (now I wonder why that could be?).

They are no different than any other non villages residents when it comes to using TV facilities.

Answer to the question? It is not true.
btk

Thanks for the confirmation.

[pqrstar]

I was recently told there are 3 villages that allow families with children to live in TV provided they own a business or work for a business in TV. Their children can go to the Charter School and these 3 villages are located near family pools. Is this true?

Yes, there happens to be 3 COMMUNITIES near THE VILLAGES built by the developer. But they are located OUTSIDE of THE VILLAGES property.

Anyone can purchase these homes. (or possibly rent there)

There are no restrictions as to age or requirements of employment with The Villages.

However, children who live in these communities must have a parent employed by The Villages or employed by the various commercial properties located within The Villages in order to attend the Charter School.

These communities do not share any amenities provided within The Villages.
Some of these communities may have a pool or meeting room.

[Arctic Fox]

re your thread Title:

a certain number of people under 55 can buy in The Villages

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Family pools are for residents and their family members.

The Villages you speak of are NOT part of The Villages and do not pay amenity fees and cannot use OUR amenities .

Anyone can buy there. I'm pretty sure. Help?

This is also my understanding

[DAWN MARIE]

a certain number of people under 55 can buy in The Villages

Yes, I was 46 when I moved here. There's a 80/20 rule that allowed for that to happen although there was a debate about my moving here. I'm still not old enough to live here some say.

[Topspinmo]

OK, if not all villages residents are at least 55 years of age, then what about the 20% that arn't 55 and own in the villages (not the 3, Bison Valley, Spring Harbor, Or Oak forest for empolyee's with kids). Read hear many times that up to 20% precent don't have 55 years of age and have brought in the villages. Does that mean they don't pay amenities. What the point buying in the villages if you can't use the amenities?

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Yes, I was 46 when I moved here. There's a 80/20 rule that allowed for that to happen although there was a debate about my moving here. I'm still not old enough to live here some say.

I also was under 55 as was my wife and we still are under 55 but loving every minute of life here

[Cantwaittoarrive]

OK, if not all villages residents are at least 55 years of age, then what about the 20% that arn't 55 and own in the villages (not the 3, Bison Valley, Spring Harbor, Or Oak forest for empolyee's with kids). Read hear many times that up to 20% precent don't have 55 years of age and have brought in the villages. Does that mean they don't pay amenities. What the point buying in the villages if you can't use the amenities?

If you live in TV you pay and use the amenities (if you chose to use them). You can buy and live in TV as long as you are 19 or older. It is against federal law to discriminate in housing based on age. The 80/20 rule has to do with designation as a plus 55 community

[graciegirl]

OK, if not all villages residents are at least 55 years of age, then what about the 20% that arn't 55 and own in the villages (not the 3, Bison Valley, Spring Harbor, Or Oak forest for empolyee's with kids). Read hear many times that up to 20% precent don't have 55 years of age and have brought in the villages. Does that mean they don't pay amenities. What the point buying in the villages if you can't use the amenities?

I was trying to clarify that the family areas are NOT part of The Villages. If you buy in The Villages you MUST pay the amentity fee.

According to the rules a certain percentage can be under 55 but I do like to point out that those of us who are over 55 living here have a perfect right to do so.;)

[ilovetv]

Once again....in order to have an exemption from federal anti-discrimination laws in housing, a 55-older community must allow for a maximum of 20% of residents to be under 55.

"Concerning the Final Rule Implementing
the Housing for Older Persons Act of 1995 (HOPA)

Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (the Federal Fair Housing Act), as amended by the Fair Housing Amendments Act of 1988 (the Fair Housing Act), prohibits discrimination in housing and real estate-related transactions based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, handicap and familial status (in general, the presence of children under the age of 18 in the household). The prohibition against discrimination based on familial status became effective March 12, 1989. The Act contained a provision exempting "senior" housing from the prohibition against familial status discrimination.

The Housing for Older Persons Act (HOPA), signed into law by President Clinton on December 28, 1995, amended the housing for older persons exemption against familial status discrimination. The HOPA modified the statutory definition of housing for older persons as housing intended and operated for occupancy by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit. It eliminated the requirement that housing for older persons have significant services and facilities specifically designed for its elderly residents. It required that facilities or communities claiming the exemption establish age verification procedures. It established a good faith reliance defense or exemption against monetary damages for persons who illegally act in good faith to exclude children based on a legitimate belief that the housing facility or community was entitled to the exemption.....

Question 3
What must a housing community or facility do to qualify for the 55 or older housing for older persons exemption?
Answer
In order to qualify for the exemption, the housing community/facility must satisfy each of the following requirements:
a) at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older per unit;

b) the owner or management of the housing facility/community must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years or older; and

c) the facility/community must comply with rules issued by the Secretary for verification of occupancy through reliable surveys and affidavits.....

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc?id=DOC_7769.pdf

[DAWN MARIE]

I also was under 55 as was my wife and we still are under 55 but loving every minute of life here

hmmmmm maybe we could start a new under 55 group! LOL. I could be in it for at least three more years!

[Skybo]

Once again....in order to have an exemption from federal anti-discrimination laws in housing, a 55-older community must allow for a maximum of 20% of residents to be under 55.


I'm not sure if you misunderstand the wording of the law or if you just worded your post in a way that sounds a little confusing to me. But to clarify, a community doesn't HAVE to allow 20% to be under 55.

In order to comply with HOPA, AT LEAST 80% of the homes must be occupied by one person that is 55+. What is done with the other 20%, is up to the individual community. The last 55+ community I lived in required 100% of the homes to be occupied by at least one person who was 55+.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

hmmmmm maybe we could start a new under 55 group! LOL. I could be in it for at least three more years!

We could meet at the Cody's bar or our lanai and smoke our hookah

[EastCoastDawg]

In order to comply with HOPA, AT LEAST 80% of the homes must be occupied by one person that is 55+.

I wonder how TV monitors this?

If a 55+ sells privately to an under-55, do they have to register this action somewhere?

And if the balance were already 80-20 would they be prevented from selling to the under-55?

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I'm not sure if you misunderstand the wording of the law or if you just worded your post in a way that sounds a little confusing to me. But to clarify, a community doesn't HAVE to allow 20% to be under 55.

In order to comply with HOPA, AT LEAST 80% of the homes must be occupied by one person that is 55+. What is done with the other 20%, is up to the individual community. The last 55+ community I lived in required 100% of the homes to be occupied by at least one person who was 55+.

I was just simplifying it.

[janmcn]

I wonder how TV monitors this?

If a 55+ sells privately to an under-55, do they have to register this action somewhere?

And if the balance were already 80-20 would they be prevented from selling to the under-55?

Department of Housing and Urban Development
24 CFR Part 100 Implementation of the Housing for Older Persons Act of 1995; Final Rule

(b) A facility or community shall, within 180 days of the effective date of this rule, develop procedures for routinely determining the occupancy of each unit, including the identification of whether at least one occupant of each unit is 55 years of age or older.

The Villages must be very careful they are not violating this law in their haste to sell new homes as quickly as possible.

(f) The housing facility or community must establish and maintain appropriate policies to require that occupants comply with the age verification procedures required by this section.

Since this is a federal law, any complaints should be directed to a US Representative.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I wonder how TV monitors this?

If a 55+ sells privately to an under-55, do they have to register this action somewhere?

And if the balance were already 80-20 would they be prevented from selling to the under-55?

The other thing TV does as part of the contract if you build or buy a inventory home they have a statement that says something along the line that one of you is 55 or older, I'm just paraphrasing, we had that part of the contract modified.

[Skybo]

I was just simplifying it.

Cantwait...my post was in response to Ilovetv's post, not yours. :)

[ilovetv]

I wonder how TV monitors this?

If a 55+ sells privately to an under-55, do they have to register this action somewhere?

And if the balance were already 80-20 would they be prevented from selling to the under-55?

In our closing papers there was a document we had to sign affirming that one of us was 55+.

TV has everyone's birthdate in order to produce and track Resident ID card information.

[ugotme]

Most 55 or older communities that I am aware of have some sort of interview process.

This is to explain the various community rules and regulations as well as verifying that at least one of the residents is 55.

And, as previously stated you do not have to allow up to 20% under 55.

There are forms that are filed annually with the State of Florida which provides a census of the % of residents ages.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why make somthing a problem, that isn't?

[pqrstar]

The original question was about a family with school aged children moving into one of the villages built by the developer.

It has been clarified that they were referring to the three family communities built by the developer. These communities are NOT part of the villages.

I think this thread has gotten off topic.

[Schaumburger]

In our closing papers there was a document we had to sign affirming that one of us was 55+.

TV has everyone's birthdate in order to produce and track Resident ID card information.

At the several open houses I have attended in TV (for both new and pre-owned homes) I have posed this question to an agent (I'm single, no kids, over 50, not yet 55), can I buy a home in TV? For pre-owned homes, I was told no problem since I'm not buying directly from The Villages, I'm buying from a previous owner. For new construction I would have to get approval from The Villages management to purchase in TV, but since I have no kids and only a couple of years shy of turning 55, it would not be a problem. All of the agents I spoke to said that TV's management does monitor the 80/20 ratio, and that TV is not close to having 20% of the residents under 55 (at least that was the situation as of last October). But unless I win the lottery I will more than likely be at least 55 before I can purchase in TV.

[graciegirl]

At the several open houses I have attended in TV (for both new and pre-owned homes) I have posed this question to an agent (I'm single, no kids, over 50, not yet 55), can I buy a home in TV? For pre-owned homes, I was told no problem since I'm not buying directly from The Villages, I'm buying from a previous owner. For new construction I would have to get approval from The Villages management to purchase in TV, but since I have no kids and only a couple of years shy of turning 55, it would not be a problem. All of the agents I spoke to said that TV's management does monitor the 80/20 ratio, and that TV is not close to having 20% of the residents under 55 (at least that was the situation as of last October). But unless I win the lottery I will more than likely be at least 55 before I can purchase in TV.

WE are so looking forward to it Laura.

You are going to be a plus to this wonderful place.

[DougB]

Most 55 or older communities that I am aware of have some sort of interview process.

This is to explain the various community rules and regulations as well as verifying that at least one of the residents is 55.

And, as previously stated you do not have to allow up to 20% under 55.

There are forms that are filed annually with the State of Florida which provides a census of the % of residents ages.



I was never interviewed. The only time I ever put my birthday on anything was when I got my Resident ID.

[janmcn]

I was never interviewed. The only time I ever put my birthday on anything was when I got my Resident ID.

That's because you bought a resale.

[tommy steam]

I had a co worker , married and 52 years old buy a home here a couple of years ago. It was a new house that he had built.

[crummybuttons]

Family pools are for residents and their family members.

The Villages you speak of are NOT part of The Villages and do not pay amenity fees and cannot use OUR amenities .

Anyone can buy there. I'm pretty sure. Help?

My mother-in-Law has lived here and also works for the villages (19 yrs) the family sections can not use OUR amenities. You are right Gracie.

[jbdlfan]

We bought a resale and also were never asked our age. We are 48 and 44. I know of a 28 year old that owned a home here. Parents passed away and she assumed ownership. She has since sold it and moved on.

[graciegirl]

We bought a resale and also were never asked our age. We are 48 and 44. I know of a 28 year old that owned a home here. Parents passed away and she assumed ownership. She has since sold it and moved on.

I would guess it would be no more fun for her than for most of us to live in a college dorm. It is nice to be with ones peers.

[LndLocked]

Yes, I was 46 when I moved here. There's a 80/20 rule that allowed for that to happen although there was a debate about my moving here. I'm still not old enough to live here some say.

I plan on staying that way mentally forever :boom:

[justjim]

Yes, there happens to be 3 COMMUNITIES near THE VILLAGES built by the developer. But they are located OUTSIDE of THE VILLAGES property.

Anyone can purchase these homes. (or possibly rent there)

There are no restrictions as to age or requirements of employment with The Villages.

However, children who live in these communities must have a parent employed by The Villages or employed by the various commercial properties located within The Villages in order to attend the Charter School.

These communities do not share any amenities provided within The Villages.
Some of these communities may have a pool or meeting room.

:posting: Exactly. There are some grandparents who took in their grandkids (for various reasons) and they moved to the so called "any age" communities so they could care for the kids. I personally don't care for the Charter School concept that keeps these kids from attending the Charter Schools but that is a subject for another thread.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I was trying to clarify that the family areas are NOT part of The Villages. If you buy in The Villages you MUST pay the amentity fee.

According to the rules a certain percentage can be under 55 but I do like to point out that those of us who are over 55 living here have a perfect right to do so.;)

It seems to me that the 20% that are under 55 also have a perfect right to be here.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We bought a resale and also were never asked our age. We are 48 and 44. I know of a 28 year old that owned a home here. Parents passed away and she assumed ownership. She has since sold it and moved on.

I can't comment on a 28 year old inheriting a home but it poses an interesting question. It's a very unlikely scenario, but what if 20% of the residents who willed their homes to people under 55 died. It could push the number of under 55 over the 20% limit.

As far as being 44 and 48, there is no problem as long as The Villages approves it and they stay under the 20% cap.

Of course owning a home here does not mean that you are a resident. For example, you could own the home and rent it to people who are over 55. Or, you could remain a resident of another state and use your Villages home as a vacation home.

Another possible scenario is that one spouse is over 55 and the other is under 55. They have two over 18 yo children from a previous marriage living with them. The spouse who is over 55 passes away. Do the souse and children have to move out even though they own the home?

[graciegirl]

It seems to me that the 20% that are under 55 also have a perfect right to be here.

Did you see the wink, Dr?

I didn't see yours.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

I can't comment on a 28 year old inheriting a home but it poses an interesting question. It's a very unlikely scenario, but what if 20% of the residents who willed their homes to people under 55 died. It could push the number of under 55 over the 20% limit.

As far as being 44 and 48, there is no problem as long as The Villages approves it and they stay under the 20% cap.

Of course owning a home here does not mean that you are a resident. For example, you could own the home and rent it to people who are over 55. Or, you could remain a resident of another state and use your Villages home as a vacation home.

Another possible scenario is that one spouse is over 55 and the other is under 55. They have two over 18 yo children from a previous marriage living with them. The spouse who is over 55 passes away. Do the souse and children have to move out even though they own the home?

No not as long as they are not under 19 years old