27 /441 Cart Crossing.

[DonH57]

I believe it was in tuesdays Daily Sun I read that the Florida Department of transportation or some state authority named like that evaluated the possiblity of a golf cart crossing 27/441 at Buenas Aries and determined it to be a good location and was wondering what other steps would have to be taken and what other villagers thought about the move.

[Madelaine Amee]

I believe it was in tuesdays Daily Sun I read that the Florida Department of transportation or some state authority named like that evaluated the possiblity of a golf cart crossing 27/441 at Buenas Aries and determined it to be a good location and was wondering what other steps would have to be taken and what other villagers thought about the move.

I believe I read that Marion County has agreed to golf carts crossing 441, but I cannot imagine where they will cross in Marion. The last time I crossed 441 at Lowes there were several golf carts crossing on that light - personally, I think it is very dangerous to use a golf cart to cross 441, but to each his own.

[jebartle]

I can't wait, No more "bumpy trails to you"....My logic, if handicap scooters, pedestrians and bicycles can cross, why not golf carts, just be careful!.....Yea!

[DonH57]

I was under the impression that only street legal carts could be on Buenas Aries or El Caminio. If it is a done deal I hope the traffic signal system be designed for it.

[Mack184]

I believe I read that Marion County has agreed to golf carts crossing 441, but I cannot imagine where they will cross in Marion. The last time I crossed 441 at Lowes there were several golf carts crossing on that light - personally, I think it is very dangerous to use a golf cart to cross 441, but to each his own.
I have a feeling that if they allow that it won't be long before they start scraping people off the pavement with a spatula on a regular basis. Good thing TVRH is close by!

[jbdlfan]

I believe that it is the intersection at McDonalds or it is the one at Dell Webb.

[paulandjean]

Great long overdo.

[red tail]

I have a feeling that if they allow that it won't be long before they start scraping people off the pavement with a spatula on a regular basis. Good thing TVRH is close by!

when is the last time anyone got scraped off the road crossing 441. i have a lsv and do it on a regular basis. no different than crossing in a car. just obey the lights. where do these wild statements come from anyway?

[Ooper]

I was under the impression that only street legal carts could be on Buenas Aries or El Caminio. If it is a done deal I hope the traffic signal system be designed for it.

You are correct, no carts on Buenos Aries Blvd. and El Camino Real, although you can cross El Camino at the light controlled intersection outside the villages of Alhambra and Santiago. The intersection mentioned in the paper was north of any of The Villages crossings.

[DonH57]

Oh, ah ok. I thought the crossing mentioned was the one that would shoot you directly into Lowes, cracker barrel. My mistake.

[janmcn]

Oh, ah ok. I thought the crossing mentioned was the one that would shoot you directly into Lowes, cracker barrel. My mistake.

The Lowes' crossing is still in Sumter County. Somebody posted the crossings are only allowed in Marion County.

[NotGolfer]

We own an LSV cart and have crossed 441 several times...at lights, it's no different than "if" you are in a car. The cross-traffic has already stopped so there wouldn't be any "light runners". Only thing that might be dangerous is the left-turning folks who don't comply with the law of vehicles going straight. IMHO...it's more dangerous to be out on the 35mph or lower roads where some folks don't know what the laws are and don't drive defensively.

[Mack184]

when is the last time anyone got scraped off the road crossing 441. i have a lsv and do it on a regular basis. no different than crossing in a car. just obey the lights. where do these wild statements come from anyway?
Wild statements? Let's see..first off your LSV requires a driver's license, plates & insurance. A golf cart requires no such thing. In my short time of living here I have observed a large number of golf cart operators who are driving around living in their own world and paying zero attention to what is around them. There are plenty of people driving golf carts in TV who can no longer qualify for a driver's license. Every time I see a place where carts & licensed cars & trucks merge I see "interesting" things happening. I don't know how many times I've gone to make a right turn and there's some golf cart driver trying to run me on the inside right.

No..mixing non-street legal carts and cars & trucks at a major highway intersection is a recipe for disaster.

[CWGUY]

I believe it was in tuesdays Daily Sun I read that the Florida Department of transportation or some state authority named like that evaluated the possiblity of a golf cart crossing 27/441 at Buenas Aries and determined it to be a good location and was wondering what other steps would have to be taken and what other villagers thought about the move.

Wrong.

I believe I read that Marion County has agreed to golf carts crossing 441, but I cannot imagine where they will cross in Marion. The last time I crossed 441 at Lowes there were several golf carts crossing on that light - personally, I think it is very dangerous to use a golf cart to cross 441, but to each his own.

Lowes is not in Marion Co. and that's not the spot approved anyway.

I can't wait, No more "bumpy trails to you"....My logic, if handicap scooters, pedestrians and bicycles can cross, why not golf carts, just be careful!.....Yea!

You're wrong about no more bumby trails....sorry.


I was under the impression that only street legal carts could be on Buenas Aries or El Caminio. If it is a done deal I hope the traffic signal system be designed for it.

Not the spot.

I have a feeling that if they allow that it won't be long before they start scraping people off the pavement with a spatula on a regular basis. Good thing TVRH is close by!

Not that close to the correct spot. Just a little further.

I believe that it is the intersection at McDonalds or it is the one at Dell Webb.

Wrong and wrong.


Great long overdo.

You are correct, it is overdo.

when is the last time anyone got scraped off the road crossing 441. i have a lsv and do it on a regular basis. no different than crossing in a car. just obey the lights. where do these wild statements come from anyway?

Just people posting about things they know little or nothing about. You have been here long enough to see that a few times.

You are correct, no carts on Buenos Aries Blvd. and El Camino Real, although you can cross El Camino at the light controlled intersection outside the villages of Alhambra and Santiago. The intersection mentioned in the paper was north of any of The Villages crossings.

Wow...a correct post from Ooper!

Oh, ah ok. I thought the crossing mentioned was the one that would shoot you directly into Lowes, cracker barrel. My mistake.

No problem. We all make mistakes. :shocked:

The Lowes' crossing is still in Sumter County. Somebody posted the crossings are only allowed in Marion County.

You are correct. Thank you. :thumbup:

We own an LSV cart and have crossed 441 several times...at lights, it's no different than "if" you are in a car. The cross-traffic has already stopped so there wouldn't be any "light runners". Only thing that might be dangerous is the left-turning folks who don't comply with the law of vehicles going straight. IMHO...it's more dangerous to be out on the 35mph or lower roads where some folks don't know what the laws are and don't drive defensively.

Can't believe someone would not comply with a traffic law. :1rotfl:

Wild statements? Let's see..first off your LSV requires a driver's license, plates & insurance. A golf cart requires no such thing. In my short time of living here I have observed a large number of golf cart operators who are driving around living in their own world and paying zero attention to what is around them. There are plenty of people driving golf carts in TV who can no longer qualify for a driver's license. Every time I see a place where carts & licensed cars & trucks merge I see "interesting" things happening. I don't know how many times I've gone to make a right turn and there's some golf cart driver trying to run me on the inside right.

No..mixing non-street legal carts and cars & trucks at a major highway intersection is a recipe for disaster.

We don't have to worry about it yet.



THE STORY IN THE PAPER STATED - MARION CO. APPROVED CROSSING 27/441 at S.E. 176. THAT IS NORTH OF WALMART AT STONE CREST.

[redwitch]

I don't know how many times I've gone to make a right turn and there's some golf cart driver trying to run me on the inside right.

No..mixing non-street legal carts and cars & trucks at a major highway intersection is a recipe for disaster.

Mack, if you were turning right and the cart was going straight, YOU were in the wrong, not the golf cart. It had the right of way. You're supposed to wait until it crosses before you make your turn.

I've driven an LSV across 441. I feel about as safe crossing 441 as I do going over the bridge. Both are hazardous; both require that you be extremely vigilant. Of the two, I think I'm safer on the street than on the bridge -- at least there's some room to maneuver on 441, plus I can see the traffic and see if vehicles have stopped. There's no room to get out of the way on the bridge and no way to see what's coming from the opposite direction when a drunk drives down the middle and coasts going downhill while halfway up the hill. Very scary!!!

[Mack184]

Mack, if you were turning right and the cart was going straight, YOU were in the wrong, not the golf cart. It had the right of way. You're supposed to wait until it crosses before you make your turn.


Unlicensed golf carts have NO road rights over street vehicles. Golf carts MUST yield right of way to legal street vehicles ALWAYS.

[Ooper]

Unlicensed golf carts have NO road rights over street vehicles. Golf carts MUST yield right of way to legal street vehicles ALWAYS.

If you are close enough to run him over by turning right, how does the cart driver know if you are going to turn. He can't see your signal light if you are next to him. Would you run over a bicycle rider also??? I think not. I agree with Red Witch.

[Skybo]

Unlicensed golf carts have NO road rights over street vehicles. Golf carts MUST yield right of way to legal street vehicles ALWAYS.

Could you please provide a link to the law that you are refering to?

[red tail]

Could you please provide a link to the law that you are refering to?

Common sense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense)

[Skybo]

Common sense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense)

Yes, common sense is what will keep most of us safe and sound. However, Mack specifically stated that street legal vehicles have the right of way over golf carts...”ALWAYS”. And I would like to know what law he is quoting.

[NoMoSno]

The crossing approved, is the intersection at the entrance of Spruce Creek South and Sun Trust bank, just after Stonecrest.
It is a very safe crossing, been crossing there for 8 years.
The intersection at McDonalds was not approved, due to congestion.

[chuckinca]

Once you get across 441/27 from Spruce Creek South to the east side by Sun Trust, can you legally drive your golf cart on the frontage roads to get to Stonecrest, Walmart and points south? Since the west side of the crossing is the controlled entrance gate to Spruce Creek South, is the 441/27 crossing only for Spruce Creek South residents and guests?

Can golf carts legally exit the Spruce Creek South gate near the Urgent Care and access the stores and restaurants by McDonalds/CVS?



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[NoMoSno]

Once you get across 441/27 from Spruce Creek South to the east side by Sun Trust, can you legally drive your golf cart on the frontage roads to get to Stonecrest, Walmart and points south?Yes Since the west side of the crossing is the controlled entrance gate to Spruce Creek South, is the 441/27 crossing only for Spruce Creek South residents and guests?No, anyone who wanted to golf can stop at the gate and tell the guards you want to golf and they will let you in.

Can golf carts legally exit the Spruce Creek South gate near the Urgent Care and access the stores and restaurants by McDonalds/CVS?Yes, however you would need a gate remote to get back in through that gate. There is talk of putting an entrance to that plaza without having to enter Spruce Creek.
The residents of Spruce Creek are very happy this has been approved.

[DonH57]

I'm hoping once the construction by Lowes and Cracker Barrel is completed and the access road completed thru to the medical buildings the bumpy back trail I nicknamed the Mohave trek will go bye bye!

[chuckinca]

How come there are two "Spruce Creek" developments within 5 miles of each other?

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[chuckinca]

I'm hoping once the construction by Lowes and Cracker Barrel is completed and the access road completed thru to the medical buildings the bumpy back trail I nicknamed the Mohave trek will go bye bye!


I named it the Ho Chi Minh Trail. When the construction is complete south of Lowe's there will be a paved cart path and when Walmart and Progress Energy come to terms that portion will also be improved.

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[NoMoSno]

I'm hoping once the construction by Lowes and Cracker Barrel is completed and the access road completed thru to the medical buildings the bumpy back trail I nicknamed the Mohave trek will go bye bye!
Paving the Aldi's to Walmart trail would also be nice. From what I heard, Walmart and Progress Energy are still discussing the use of that trail.

[NoMoSno]

How come there are two "Spruce Creek" developments within 5 miles of each other?

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At one time the same developer owned both developments. Spruce Creek Dell Web was sold several years ago.

[Mack184]

If you are close enough to run him over by turning right, how does the cart driver know if you are going to turn. He can't see your signal light if you are next to him. Would you run over a bicycle rider also??? I think not. I agree with Red Witch.
Of course I'm not going to run somebody over who's side-by-side with me and can't see. I'm talking about when I put on my turn signal (an item RARELY used in TV) and a cart then speeds up trying to beat me to the turn so that he won't be inconvenienced.

[Mack184]

Could you please provide a link to the law that you are refering to?
Golf carts are NOT road vehicles and thus do not have "road rights". Better idea...YOU show me the passage in the FL-DMV laws that says golf carts have equal road rights with licensed, insured vehicles.

[downeaster]

Golf carts are NOT road vehicles and thus do not have "road rights". Better idea...YOU show me the passage in the FL-DMV laws that says golf carts have equal road rights with licensed, insured vehicles.

A copy of the statute defining motor vehicles.
The highlighting is mine.

320.01 Definitions, general.—As used in the Florida Statutes, except as otherwise provided, the term:
(1) “Motor vehicle” means:
(a) An automobile, motorcycle, truck, trailer, semitrailer, truck tractor and semitrailer combination, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state, used to transport persons or property, and propelled by power other than muscular power, but the term does not include traction engines, road rollers, special mobile equipment as defined in s. 316.003(48), vehicles that run only upon a track, bicycles, swamp buggies, or mopeds.

[Ooper]

Ask and ye shall receive. Thanks for the post, downeaster.

[Mack184]

A copy of the statute defining motor vehicles.
The highlighting is mine.

320.01 Definitions, general.—As used in the Florida Statutes, except as otherwise provided, the term:
(1) “Motor vehicle” means:
(a) An automobile, motorcycle, truck, trailer, semitrailer, truck tractor and semitrailer combination, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state, used to transport persons or property, and propelled by power other than muscular power, but the term does not include traction engines, road rollers, special mobile equipment as defined in s. 316.003(48), vehicles that run only upon a track, bicycles, swamp buggies, or mopeds.
And..the statue is talking about road-able LICENSED vehicles.

[travelguy]

It seems to me that because of The Villages and the proliferation of golf carts and encouragement of their use (and also special lanes and roadways for them) that tunnels and bridges should be mandatory over/under major roadways. As far as underwriting the costs of these infrastructural changes, because The Villages have caused the need for these improvements, it is only logical that the Developer should be liable for these projects. Just as Impact Fees may be imposed when large projects 'impact' a community, so should they be levied here.

[Mack184]

"Private Community" does NOT apply to TV since TV is not fully gated and makes use of state, county & municipal roadways within it's boundaries.

Florida State Regulations for Golf Carts | GolfLink.com (http://www.golflink.com/facts_29402_florida-state-regulations-golf-carts.html)

[Ooper]

You are right Mack184, it is NOT a private community and they are public roads. And by your own reference, the road has previously been designated for their use, which makes the golf carts, in your terms, road-able vehicles since they have lights and reflectors, etc., according to FL State law. It says NOTHING about they need to be insured for travel on The Villages streets.

[downeaster]

And..the statue is talking about road-able LICENSED vehicles.

The section of the statute I noted defines "motor vehicle" and a golf cart is a motor vehicle by that definition. It does not mention "road-able licensed vehicles" to my knowledge.
You stated "Golf carts are NOT road vehicles and thus do not have "road rights"."
Some clarification on your part may help.