Kids strapped in golf bag locations on cart.

[Bogie Shooter]

Played Lopez on Thursday. When crossing Bell Meade to the par 3 a golf cart passed with Grandpa & Grandma in the front seats. On the back where one would put golf bags were two kids, maybe 9 and 7 strapped in, both standing up.
My God, how stupid can people be?????

[ilovetv]

Played Lopez on Thursday. When crossing Bell Meade to the par 3 a golf cart passed with Grandpa & Grandma in the front seats. On the back where one would put golf bags were two kids, maybe 9 and 7 strapped in, both standing up.
My God, how stupid can people be?????

And they'll be the first ones to SUE the car driver that runs over the kids if they slip out of the bag belt and fall out and under the car wheels. And there are lawyers who'll do it for them.....you know.....make the car driver's life a living hell, and try to take everything he's worked all his life for.

[spk7951]

Sadly I have seen that before also. The overall lack of common sense by some is unbelievable when it comes to the grand kids. This past week I have seen many unsafe practices in golf carts, at least in my opinion.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

YIKES! :22yikes:

Bill :)

[BogeyBoy]

I have seen this numerous times over the years. They won't let the kids play near the street but are willing to take a chance that they might spread them all over the street. Makes me ill.

[mrsyarbie]

Seatbelt are not that expensive and we ordered a 4 seater with seatbelts because we do have Grandkids that visit often from Tampa. I cant believe they did that !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[graciegirl]

PLEASE if you are new and your grandchildren are here don't let them drive alone and especially don't let two teens take both carts. I have seen some hair raising things. And all of us have seen some carts tipped over etc.

For your sake and their sake and our sake...don't trust them with the golf cart..

[Warren Kiefer]

Played Lopez on Thursday. When crossing Bell Meade to the par 3 a golf cart passed with Grandpa & Grandma in the front seats. On the back where one would put golf bags were two kids, maybe 9 and 7 strapped in, both standing up.
My God, how stupid can people be?????

Some Villagers are the most intellegent I have ever known. This said, far too many Villagers are the stupidist people I have ever known.

[vj1213]

I was walking my dog tonight and coming down the road was a golf cart w/ grandpa in the passenger seat, probably teenage grandson driving and a kid on each side on skateboards holding on to the roof.

[Scoops]

Played Lopez on Thursday. When crossing Bell Meade to the par 3 a golf cart passed with Grandpa & Grandma in the front seats. On the back where one would put golf bags were two kids, maybe 9 and 7 strapped in, both standing up.
My God, how stupid can people be?????

I saw a similar thing at the square over the weekend. Two teenagers were standing on the back of the cart, holding on to the straps while grandpa and grandma were driving. As an adult, your purpose in life is not to 'please children' but to 'protect children'. Too bad grandpa and grandma didn't use good judgement.

[LndLocked]

PLEASE if you are new and your grandchildren are here don't let them drive alone and especially don't let two teens take both carts. I have seen some hair raising things. And all of us have seen some carts tipped over etc.

For your sake and their sake and our sake...don't trust them with the golf cart..

I would have trusted all 3 of my kids when they were teens to drive my golf cart alone when legally old enough to do so. They have been driving now a combined 23 years with a total of 2 traffic tickets and 1 accident (not at fault).

If you can not trust your teenage child or grandchild to drive a golf cart responsibly .... that should be the least of of your concerns, as you have bigger issues to deal with.

[Mack184]

Obviously you never grew up in the country where it was common for kids to ride in the back of pick-up trucks, on the fenders of farm tractors, on hay wagons and so on. Did a lot of that in my day. Actually I'd like to see a pic of the two kids strapped in like golf bags. Most interesting.

[asianthree]

its ok if it happens on easter break....what happens with grandpa and grandma stays with grandpa and grandma,,,unless it requires a ER visit

[Ragman]

You can't fix STUPID

:pray:forthe kids

[tommy steam]

Played Lopez on Thursday. When crossing Bell Meade to the par 3 a golf cart passed with Grandpa & Grandma in the front seats. On the back where one would put golf bags were two kids, maybe 9 and 7 strapped in, both standing up.
My God, how stupid can people be?????

Very stupid, saw a mom sitting in the drivers seat of cart with a kid about two or so ,sitting on her lap. The child had her/his hands on steering wheel. Kid in passenger seat was halfway out of cart. She was flying on her way to publix. There was a lot of traffic in the area.

[graciegirl]

I would have trusted all 3 of my kids when they were teens to drive my golf cart alone when legally old enough to do so. They have been driving now a combined 23 years with a total of 2 traffic tickets and 1 accident (not at fault).

If you can not trust your teenage child or grandchild to drive a golf cart responsibly .... that should be the least of of your concerns, as you have bigger issues to deal with.

Most people want to believe that their grandchildren are as responsible as your children were.

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[Bogie Shooter]

Obviously you never grew up in the country where it was common for kids to ride in the back of pick-up trucks, on the fenders of farm tractors, on hay wagons and so on. Did a lot of that in my day. Actually I'd like to see a pic of the two kids strapped in like golf bags. Most interesting.

If this is directed at me, you are obviously wrong.
Yep, grew up on the farm and was driving a tractor at age 8 and the rack truck at twelve. Riding in the back of a pick-up or sitting on the fender of a tractor does not even come close to them kids strapped to that golf cart.

[simpkinp]

My big fear is that one day we will have a tragic accident here and some young lives will end due to this foolishness. I don't know how to stop it. Don't these people read the newspaper, use common sense and see how many golf cart accidents we have here? The POA bulletin does an excellent job covering these issues.

[sjdjmd]

Saw a kid the other day who was standing on the back of a golf cart while 2 others rode. Scary!

[perrjojo]

Played Lopez on Thursday. When crossing Bell Meade to the par 3 a golf cart passed with Grandpa & Grandma in the front seats. On the back where one would put golf bags were two kids, maybe 9 and 7 strapped in, both standing up.
My God, how stupid can people be?????

As Ron White says, "you can't fix Stupid".

[paulandjean]

Maybe the grandparents where driving slow,so that nothing would happen. Maybe 10 or 15 years it was common to see kids in the back of pick-up trucks on the inter-state doing 70 mph.How many kids rode in a trailer on moving days. How man boys had go-carts that they drove in the street with traffic,and had high speeds. Give these people a break,maybe they knew what they were doing.Is this against the law?

[graciegirl]

Most people want to believe that their grandchildren are as responsible as your children were.

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See picture? Point to broken cart.

[vj1213]

Maybe the grandparents where driving slow,so that nothing would happen. Maybe 10 or 15 years it was common to see kids in the back of pick-up trucks on the inter-state doing 70 mph.How many kids rode in a trailer on moving days. How man boys had go-carts that they drove in the street with traffic,and had high speeds. Give these people a break,maybe they knew what they were doing.Is this against the law?
OMG! Give these people a break! Why for jeopardizing the safety of their grandchildren!
I grew up in a country town...have ridden in the back of many a truck...ridden in cars without seat belts. Did a few crazy things...but when it comes to a child's safety..why chance strapping him in life a used golf bag? How many people have been injured or even killed on a golf cart? How many times have people here complained about drivers in TV? I guess if there is no room in the car we could strap them to a luggage rack or sit them in the trunk! Personally my grandchildren's safety is more important than a short joy ride and if it's not illegal it should be.

[NotGolfer]

Folks think it's "fine" only if they are the ones doing it (fill in the blank on what the deed might be). You know, that "entitlement" mentality??!! As for kids strapped on the back of a golf-cart---it more than likely is illegal since this isn't a seat but a place for the clubs. If nothing else folks should be using "common sense" when they're out and about. I liked what one poster said---"no room IN the car? Let's tie the kids to the luggage rack or put them in the trunk!!" That makes about as much sense as tying kids to the cart.

We'll continue to see these acts until there's a horrible accident (or make that plural)---then maybe a big crack-down will happen where our privileges of being a "golf cart community" would be taken away.

[PNaughton]

Reading this about the kids riding on the back of the cart reminds me of the times while growing up in the Bronx we use to hitch a ride on the back of a bus. You got on the back bumper and held on for dear life. In the winter when it snowed we then hitched a ride on the back of a car while riding on your sled. Who didn't ride in the back of a pick up truck, or on the running board of the old man's car. Have fun kids you only live once.

[ilovetv]

Maybe the grandparents where driving slow,so that nothing would happen. Maybe 10 or 15 years it was common to see kids in the back of pick-up trucks on the inter-state doing 70 mph.How many kids rode in a trailer on moving days. How man boys had go-carts that they drove in the street with traffic,and had high speeds. Give these people a break,maybe they knew what they were doing.Is this against the law?

Or maybe they had their heads buried in the sand, convinced that "it'll never happen to us". They may be "dead right" one day.

But police, fire and EMS workers will tell you that it DOES happen, every day, and they get traumatized by seeing the maimed or killed innocents..to the extent they have post traumatic stress disorder and need to attend counseling/therapy sometimes for months/years.

Does any of us want to see an innocent child (or ignorant adult for that matter) with his brains or guts spilled on the street here, when it can be easily prevented?!?!?!?

Not everything that is "legal" is good for a person, especially when it's a child who's not yet competent for making decisions about personal safety. That's the job of grownups who are sober and of sound mind.

[paulandjean]

Reading this about the kids riding on the back of the cart reminds me of the times while growing up in the Bronx we use to hitch a ride on the back of a bus. You got on the back bumper and held on for dear life. In the winter when it snowed we then hitched a ride on the back of a car while riding on your sled. Who didn't ride in the back of a pick up truck, or on the running board of the old man's car. Have fun kids you only live once.

I agree,Think people are making a little to much out of this.They think this is so bad and yet 8 and 10 year olds have their own guns for hunting. 7 year old racing motorcycles on tracks for trophies.As a teacher for years and years, A child would get a scrape on the playground,but you would have to call their parents,they would come speed from work or home to see if johnnie was allright.Some I have seen actually were crying,some I told them the parents to behave,because what you are doing is wrong. I never made any big deals out these happening. Think you also should stop making a big deal ,these grandparents I am sure love their little ones as much as you love yours. Let the kids "grow up". This is why are youth scores from around the world nations are going down.

[vj1213]

There is nothing wrong in letting kids be kids. I am not saying prevent kids from having fun. I've had broken bones from being a kid. Had the four wheelers and bikes. Most kids before hunting are taught gun safety. But strapping a kid to a moving vehicle with a belt...well, if that is not stupidity on the part of an adult. Could you honestly live with yourself if your golf cart flipped and your grandchild was seriously injured or killed because of "YOUR" negligence.

[memason]

There is nothing wrong in letting kids be kids. I am not saying prevent kids from having fun. I've had broken bones from being a kid. Had the four wheelers and bikes. Most kids before hunting are taught gun safety. But strapping a kid to a moving vehicle with a belt...well, if that is not stupidity on the part of an adult. Could you honestly live with yourself if your golf cart flipped and your grandchild was seriously injured or killed because of "YOUR" negligence.

Is that not the same argument for using a seatbelt in a cart? Wouldn't you be strapping a child to a cart that could overturn?

In all honesty, strapping kids in like a golf bag is no different than strapping them in the rear seats....they're just standing instead of sitting.

I just don't see the big problem here... My clubs have ridden around, strapped on my cart, for over 2 year and not a scratch!

[Bogie Shooter]

Reading this about the kids riding on the back of the cart reminds me of the times while growing up in the Bronx we use to hitch a ride on the back of a bus. You got on the back bumper and held on for dear life. In the winter when it snowed we then hitched a ride on the back of a car while riding on your sled. Who didn't ride in the back of a pick up truck, or on the running board of the old man's car. Have fun kids you only live once.

such good advice.

[graciegirl]

I love children and I was a good teacher. Loved every day going to school. I am now glad that I live in an over 55 community where I don't have to worry about other peoples children.

Because I do...and I would. I am just geared that way. I want to separate myself from things that cause worry.

I am not responsible for anything that happens to other peoples children here. But I can't keep myself from caring and worrying.

I read posts on this thread from dare devil guys and protective moms. We are who we are.

[Challenger]

Maybe the grandparents where driving slow,so that nothing would happen. Maybe 10 or 15 years it was common to see kids in the back of pick-up trucks on the inter-state doing 70 mph.How many kids rode in a trailer on moving days. How man boys had go-carts that they drove in the street with traffic,and had high speeds. Give these people a break,maybe they knew what they were doing.Is this against the law?

How many were killed , or maimed? We spend literally billons to improve vehicle safety and complete ignor the one best method-- Commom sense

[Nana18]

Folks think it's "fine" only if they are the ones doing it (fill in the blank on what the deed might be). You know, that "entitlement" mentality??!! As for kids strapped on the back of a golf-cart---it more than likely is illegal since this isn't a seat but a place for the clubs. If nothing else folks should be using "common sense" when they're out and about. I liked what one poster said---"no room IN the car? Let's tie the kids to the luggage rack or put them in the trunk!!" That makes about as much sense as tying kids to the cart.

We'll continue to see these acts until there's a horrible accident (or make that plural)---then maybe a big crack-down will happen where our privileges of being a "golf cart community" would be taken away.

Hopefully, there will never be a horrible accident regarding the kids driving the golf cart or being strapped in where the golf clubs go. I do not understand the stupidity of the grandparents or the parents of these kids letting this happen. We were driving down our street last week and saw a golf cart weaving back and forth in the path so we slowed down before realizing that a grandfather had a child about 2 sitting in his lap driving the cart and another toddler sitting beside him. We were afraid to pass him because of the weaving of the cart. It would bother me terribly if a child was hurt because - again - of the stupidity of the grandparents or the parents.

[gerryann]

Hopefully, there will never be a horrible accident regarding the kids driving the golf cart or being strapped in where the golf clubs go. I do not understand the stupidity of the grandparents or the parents of these kids letting this happen. We were driving down our street last week and saw a golf cart weaving back and forth in the path so we slowed down before realizing that a grandfather had a child about 2 sitting in his lap driving the cart and another toddler sitting beside him. We were afraid to pass him because of the weaving of the cart. It would bother me terribly if a child was hurt because - again - of the stupidity of the grandparents or the parents.

Complete and total stupidity!!!

[paulandjean]

Complete and total stupidity!!!

sad part they probably live down the street from you. They could be your friends.

[rubicon]

Grandparents strapping grandkids on the back of their carts. Grandparents driving carts and pulling grandkids on skateboards. Grandparents with little biddy grandkids in their laps swerving back and forth in order to entertain their grandkids. Someone wrote "You can't fix stupid." Well that's why, its passed on from generation to generation. Fifty years from now these grandkids will be living in TV and they will say to their grandkids. When I was a little boy my grnad daddy let me ride on the back of his cart, pulled me on my skateboard and let me drive his cart blindfolded . So fun. so hop on the back and............................................... ....

In short they come by their stupid honestly

[Golfingnut]

Grandparents strapping grandkids on the back of their carts. Grandparents driving carts and pulling grandkids on skateboards. Grandparents with little biddy grandkids in their laps swerving back and forth in order to entertain their grandkids. Someone wrote "You can't fix stupid." Well that's why, its passed on from generation to generation. Fifty years from now these grandkids will be living in TV and they will say to their grandkids. When I was a little boy my grnad daddy let me ride on the back of his cart, pulled me on my skateboard and let me drive his cart blindfolded . So fun. so hop on the back and............................................... ....

In short they come by their stupid honestly

I must say my opinion, that kids that are raised that way tend to become better adults than those that are over protected. Just look at me, I raised myself and look how wonderful I turned out.

:beer3:

[ilovetv]

Is that not the same argument for using a seatbelt in a cart? Wouldn't you be strapping a child to a cart that could overturn?

In all honesty, strapping kids in like a golf bag is no different than strapping them in the rear seats....they're just standing instead of sitting.

I just don't see the big problem here... My clubs have ridden around, strapped on my cart, for over 2 year and not a scratch!

There's a big difference with this scenario of kids strapped to the golf cart bag area and being strapped in the rear seats.

- Your clubs are inanimate objects without hands that can undo the strap buckle;

- Your clubs cannot wiggle and squirm themselves out of the strap unless the buckle loosens because it was not pressed shut enough.

- Rear seat belts are made for being lap restraints that cross the body in the appropriate place. Bag belts were not made for bodies, and depending on the height of the child and the grip of the buckle of the strap, the kids can wiggle or accidentally slide out of them, into traffic......not onto golf course turf by the way.

- Rear seat belts have a hook and clasp closure and not the belt gripper like the bag strap buckle is. The seatbelt hook and clasp is more reliable to stay closed.

- Most importantly: What if the golf cart with kids strapped on the back gets rear-ended by a car/truck?? We don't care if golf clubs get smashed and broken, but we do care if it's a little kid's legs, abdomen, spine, chest or head.

[paulandjean]

There's a big difference with this scenario of kids strapped to the golf cart bag area and being strapped in the rear seats.

- Your clubs are inanimate objects without hands that can undo the strap buckle;

- Your clubs cannot wiggle and squirm themselves out of the strap unless the buckle loosens because it was not pressed shut enough.

- Rear seat belts are made for being lap restraints that cross the body in the appropriate place. Bag belts were not made for bodies, and depending on the height of the child and the grip of the buckle of the strap, the kids can wiggle or accidentally slide out of them, into traffic......not onto golf course turf by the way.

- Rear seat belts have a hook and clasp closure and not the belt gripper like the bag strap buckle is. The seatbelt hook and clasp is more reliable to stay closed.

- Most importantly: What if the golf cart with kids strapped on the back gets rear-ended by a car/truck?? We don't care if golf clubs get smashed and broken, but we do care if it's a little kid's legs, abdomen, spine, chest or head.


Thats why children are outlawed from riding on the back of a motorcycle.

[tommy steam]

See picture? Point to broken cart.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[Challenger]

The argument against rear facing seats does give me pause. No bumper . No other material of any kind between the rear facing riders and an approaching vehicle. I own a rear facing 4 seater and am becomming increasingly more worried about the safety of the passengers.

[gerryann]

sad part they probably live down the street from you. They could be your friends.

They could live down the street...they could be neighbors, but friends? NO.....not if I knew about it.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Thats why children are outlawed from riding on the back of a motorcycle.

Apparently not so in FL. Scroll down the "Road" column - "Passenger Age Restriction - None":

State-by-state motorcycle laws (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Rights/State-Laws.aspx?stateid=9)

Bill :)

[paulandjean]

Apparently not so in FL. Scroll down the "Road" column - "Passenger Age Restriction - None":

State-by-state motorcycle laws (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Rights/State-Laws.aspx?stateid=9)

Bill :)

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

[Warren Kiefer]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

Here you have two children standing in the rear of a golf cart and no protection at all to speak of. Silly golf cart speed probably around 15 MPH, cars and trucks approaching from behind at probable speeds of 30 to 35 or greater. Auto or truck driver becomes distracted and slams into the back of the golf cart. so what do you have, at least four broken legs, internal injuries and likely killed outright. Grandparents totally destroyed forever. But what the heck, they were only letting them be kids.

[graciegirl]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

You really were a teacher?

[CFrance]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

I'm confused about the gist of your post. Are you for letting kids ride unbelted the back of golf carts or not?

[gerryann]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

I think I must have misunderstood your comment. You're not saying that this is acceptable because kids will be kids...are you? I misunderstood right?

[CFrance]

Reading this about the kids riding on the back of the cart reminds me of the times while growing up in the Bronx we use to hitch a ride on the back of a bus. You got on the back bumper and held on for dear life. In the winter when it snowed we then hitched a ride on the back of a car while riding on your sled. Who didn't ride in the back of a pick up truck, or on the running board of the old man's car. Have fun kids you only live once.

Maybe so, but your parents weren't behind you egging you on to have such dangerous fun. You were risking your own neck, not with the encouragement of your parents or grandparents. There's a time when you grow up and stop thinking you are immortal. We all took chances as kids. We get past that an- don't condone or produce that chance taking on our kids or grandkids. Geeze.

[Bogie Shooter]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

That doesn't say much for the state of Florida.

[ilovetv]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

Yeah. Right. And let a car/truck driver live with it on his conscience for the rest of his life the sight of a child maimed and killed by his driving and doing nothing risky.

And let the driver be sued for every penny he ever worked and saved for, and have it taken from him, because some dopey parents or grandparents want to be "pals" instead of being disciplined guardians of their kids.

Should kids be allowed to ride around in an open car trunk with their legs/feet dangling out and down over the bumper??? I don't think so.

[bluedog103]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

You actually think a kid is going to run 15 mph? Do you have any idea the damage that will occur when a head collides with the pavement at that speed? Those kids don't stand a chance and you see no problem. That's bizarre.

[Warren Kiefer]

Think you get it. The state of Florida will let a child ride on the back of a 70 mph motorcycle with no helmet,and yes no seatbelts and people here do not see the problem.They see a silly golf cart going 15 mph and those kids in the back,who can probably run faster than the cart is going.let them be kids, and let them be grandparents.

This post explains very clearly why the rest of us actually see grandparents allowing their grandchildren to do stupid things. kids will do enough dumb thing on their own as they grow up, they don't need grandparents help.

[CFrance]

This post explains very clearly why the rest of us actually see grandparents allowing their grandchildren to do stupid things. kids will do enough dumb thing on their own as they grow up, they don't need grandparents help.

Well said.

[graciegirl]

This post explains very clearly why the rest of us actually see grandparents allowing their grandchildren to do stupid things. kids will do enough dumb thing on their own as they grow up, they don't need grandparents help.

I agree with your post absolutely.

I completely understand the concept of not overprotecting. And many of us did survive a lot of dangerous things in our youth. (NOT me. I am a sissy) However...there are a lot of ways we can allow our children and grandchildren to learn to be independent and self reliant and they do not include allowing them to be unprotected in an area where we KNOW people do NOT show good driving habits.

New cart drivers who are seasoned drivers and adults find the cart paths challenging here and it takes quite a while to become familiar with how we get around this area and make the abrupt turns.

I am NOT an helicoptor parent or grandparent...and have been referred to as "the warden". Tough is how I would describe my role as mother as I was the one always present while their father was flying around the country making a living...., someone had to outwit the little devils and keep them alive so that when we got old they could support us.;).

But I'd be danged if I was gonna let them kill themselves on my watch.

I absolutely think that if we are gonna give them an opportunity to be successful adults we have to protect them from their young and often stupid behavior.

They have all thanked me and appear to still love me.

Believe me...I was a B.

Parenting takes GUTS.

[paulandjean]

You really were a teacher?

Yes,I was a teacher,and a very fine one also. I did not sugar-coat things as others will do. That is why I was so sucessful at my job.Did you mention you did some teaching,I believe you said something about sunday school.

[paulandjean]

New rule children,no running on the trails or on the streets.You will get run over by cars and trucks.Make sure you were your helmet,elbow pads, knee pads.gloves. did I forget anything. Grandparents raising a generation of wimps.

[graciegirl]

I agree with your post absolutely.

I completely understand the concept of not overprotecting. And many of us did survive a lot of dangerous things in our youth. (NOT me. I am a sissy) However...there are a lot of ways we can allow our children and grandchildren to learn to be independent and self reliant and they do not include allowing them to be unprotected in an area where we KNOW people do NOT show good driving habits.

New cart drivers who are seasoned drivers and adults find the cart paths challenging here and it takes quite a while to become familiar with how we get around this area and make the abrupt turns.

I am NOT an helicoptor parent or grandparent...and have been referred to as "the warden". Tough is how I would describe my role as mother as I was the one always present while their father was flying around the country making a living...., someone had to outwit the little devils and keep them alive so that when we got old they could support us.;).

But I'd be danged if I was gonna let them kill themselves on my watch.

I absolutely think that if we are gonna give them an opportunity to be successful adults we have to protect them from their young and often stupid behavior.

They have all thanked me and appear to still love me.

Believe me...I was a B.

Parenting takes GUTS.

...

[gomoho]

This is getting ugly and personal - let's play nice.

[bluedog103]

There's a reason I have some people on my ignore list. I do occasionally read the posts of these people knowing they'll say something really, really, hmmm, what's a good word, let's try unique. I have yet to be disappointed.

[NotGolfer]

This thread certainly has opened up a lot of conversation. On another note...just found out this morning that the streets that circle the squares are considered "something" else in the way of roadways. "IF" a 14 year old, for example, has an accident down there there will be heck to pay on his future. Points off future license, big bucks of a fine and much much more. Was told this by someone whose friend's grandson had this experience!! It's not something we, as grandparents want to subject our grandkids to.

On another hand don't we want to be "good" examples to our children (yes even though they're grown) AND to our grandchildren?? I want to leave a legacy to mine that would be revered!!

[Barefoot]

New rule children,no running on the trails or on the streets.You will get run over by cars and trucks.Make sure you were your helmet,elbow pads, knee pads.gloves. did I forget anything. Grandparents raising a generation of wimps.

I think that is a good rule that children don't run on the streets. Glad you mentioned it.

I don't think grandparents who look out for the safety and welfare of their offspring could be categorized as wimps for doing so.

[gerryann]

There is another post running regarding unhappy posters and trolling. I think this applies to a few on this thread. I truly do not believe what some folks state about their past and some of their beliefs.....NO ONE wants our children...grandchildren to get hurt....shock value??? Intimidation?? Bored life?? C'mon folks....there's a lot of garbage on television to get you all rilled up, don't attempt to get nice posters here all upset because of your sorry life.

[gerryann]

and furthermore...I fell right into your trolling. Stupid me. I truly wish for the unhappy posters to find peace and happiness.

[Tom Hannon]

I was walking my dog tonight and coming down the road was a golf cart w/ grandpa in the passenger seat, probably teenage grandson driving and a kid on each side on skateboards holding on to the roof.

I saw the idiot you were talking about. He was on Triggerfish

[nitehawk]

i like my chrildren ---- well done ---!

[CFrance]

Our older son, who was a challenge to raise but turned out wonderful, said to me when he reached 25 and thought about it some, "I don't know why you and Dad didn't smother me in my bed."

All the posts here about kids not dying on your watch, setting a good example, and generally just trying to keep them safe till grown really hit home with me.

[EdV]

I have even more contempt for grandparents who would let their grandkids ride in the passenger seat of their golf carts without a seatbelt installed.

[Patty55]

When I first moved here I really thought those bag holder things were for parking children. Don't have grandchildren nor do I play golf, so, it's all good.

I think we all did stupid things as children, but we didn't do it with our grandparents, we came up with our own stupidilty and knew enough to lie about what we were doing.

[ohhappyday]

:Played Lopez on Thursday. When crossing Bell Meade to the par 3 a golf cart passed with Grandpa & Grandma in the front seats. On the back where one would put golf bags were two kids, maybe 9 and 7 strapped in, both standing up.
My God, how stupid can people be?????

How stupid.. umm think you just answered your own question with this post. I watched to golf carts turn into colony from 466a the other day.
:22yikes:

[CFrance]

When I first moved here I really thought those bag holder things were for parking children. Don't have grandchildren nor do I play golf, so, it's all good.

I think we all did stupid things as children, but we didn't do it with our grandparents, we came up with our own stupidilty and knew enough to lie about what we were doing.

...and not get caught. (except for my brother, whose ability to cover his tracks needed work.)

[sueandskip]

Where are all the cops when all this is happening....

[gomoho]

Where are all the cops when all this is happening....

Don't believe it has been established at this point this is illegal.

[gerryann]

Where are all the cops when all this is happening....

Cops can't arrest for stupidity. Think how busy the courts would be if they could.

[Serenoa]

Obviously you never grew up in the country where it was common for kids to ride in the back of pick-up trucks, on the fenders of farm tractors, on hay wagons and so on. Did a lot of that in my day. Actually I'd like to see a pic of the two kids strapped in like golf bags. Most interesting.

I agree. Riding on & being around big, heavy farm equipment, some with PTOs running at 1000s of RPMs was a whole lot more dangerous than riding anywhere on a little golf cart. Unless you were born & raised there I guess most folks just don't have any idea what farm kids are routinely exposed to on a daily basis.

[HMLRHT1]

Come on people lets be real about this....we all did things like ride bikes without helmets and many of us were in cars that had no seatbelts or the back of Pickup trucks. These vehicles went as fast as 10-100 mph. We had accidents, fell off of our bikes and dented our cars and we are here today talking about it. So there are risks about everything we do. Hell, u could trip on your own feet and kill yourself. Should we all be walking around with helmets and large rubber suits to protect us. This world has gotten to the point of let's criticize everyone if we don't like it. Let everyone make their own choice!:ho:

[ilovetv]

I agree. Riding on & being around big, heavy farm equipment, some with PTOs running at 1000s of RPMs was a whole lot more dangerous than riding anywhere on a little golf cart. Unless you were born & raised there I guess most folks just don't have any idea what farm kids are routinely exposed to on a daily basis.

On a farm the parents taking such risks are not involving other responsible drivers who can run over the kids if they slip out/off the cart, or rear-end the cart in a sudden stop, mangling or killing the kids. It's one thing to take risks upon yourself and kids, but quite another to subject other drivers to those risks and consequences they'll have to live with all their lives, too.

[graciegirl]

All of these posts have been thought provoking. There is truth in what everyone has said.

We can't help the levels of certain hormones we have floating around that makes us risk takers or wimps. Or attitudes, Or taught values. Or lifelong ways of dealing with things.

The bottom line is...the kids are here these few weeks during their spring break. Let's ALL be VERY careful for them and for us.

We DON'T want any horrible life changing event to happen because we weren't thinking or watching.

We want to continue arguing over whose grandchildren are the prettiest and best and most intelligent.

Oh. by the way. Mine are.

[vj1213]

Sorry Gracie...you've never seen my grandkids!! :kiss:

[De Lis]

True that the police can't arrest for stupidity, however, I would be in a heck of a lot of trouble if one of those kids fells off a cart and I crunched them with my tires!

[Barefoot]

These vehicles went as fast as 10-100 mph. We had accidents, fell off of our bikes and dented our cars and we are here today talking about it.

Actually, we're NOT all here today talking about it.

When I was 15, my sister was killed in a car accident. (She was out with her boyfriend, "learning" to drive. They were both killed.) A year later I was in a large vehicle driven by a 16 year-old boy who didn't have his drivers license yet (his mother had given him the car for his 16th birthday). We hit a Karman Ghia which rolled over and killed two teenagers.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that can tell stories about kids that were killed in accidents. My point is that parents and grandparents play an essential role in keeping kids safe.

[gerryann]

True that the police can't arrest for stupidity, however, I would be in a heck of a lot of trouble if one of those kids fells off a cart and I crunched them with my tires!

Thats true...thats why Gracie's words are so true...be very observant when these children are visiting. If I saw someone doing what some of these folks have been seen doing....I would turn and go another route. No only do I not want to run over them, but I dont want to see anyone else hitting them either. if their parents and grandparents don't care, theirs not a darn thing that my input would accomplish. about the only thing I could do is yell "your an idiot"

[Warren Kiefer]

True that the police can't arrest for stupidity, however, I would be in a heck of a lot of trouble if one of those kids fells off a cart and I crunched them with my tires!

All one has to do is read thru all the postings regarding children standing on the back of a golf cart to find those probable grandparents willing to use poor judgement. Why are these grandparents so willing to make stupid choices and subject their grandchildren to such horrible possibilities. On second thought, perhaps that single word in my previous sentence explains it all.

[BogeyBoy]

Actually, we're NOT all here today talking about it.

When I was 15, my sister was killed in a car accident. (She was out with her boyfriend, "learning" to drive. They were both killed.) A year later I was in a large vehicle driven by a 16 year-old boy who didn't have his drivers license yet (his mother had given him the car for his 16th birthday). We hit a Karman Ghia which rolled over and killed two teenagers.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that can tell stories about kids that were killed in accidents. My point is that parents and grandparents play an essential role in keeping kids safe.

How sad that you had two accidents impact your life at such a young age. You are right, many of us can tell those tragic stories, I'm sorry that this post is here to remind you of those events.

[ilovetv]

Another disaster waiting to happen with kids strapped in the golf bag tray is lack of insurance coverage if they and the cart get rear-ended and crushed by another vehicle, or if they slip out and get heads split on pavement or run over.

I doubt a cart owner cart policy would cover personal injury or loss of life when the person is standing in it while in motion--not sitting--is not using a designated "seat", and is riding as a passenger in the cart in a way for which it's not intended.

If you google "passenger standing in golf cart in FL" you can see how many communities prohibit standing in a golf cart while in motion.

In the first place, none of the insurance companies will write golf cart coverage for a rental cart nor one provided by an owner of a rental home, and many of the carts being driven recklessly and doing crazy things like strapping them in the bag tray are rental carts or rental home ones.

This begs for endless lawsuits and ruination of lives financially as well as emotionally.

[CFrance]

The bottom line for me is you have no right to take those kinds of chances with somebody else's children. You just have no right.

[NotGolfer]

Not only do "they" put children on the back of carts!! Saw 4 adults in a cart today...two riding where they're supposed to be AND 2 adult men (laughing) standing on the back where the golf bags go. This was on the Morse Bridge late this afternoon.

What the poster said about liability....just use your imaginations of the "what if's folks"!!!!

[Patty55]

In the first place, none of the insurance companies will write golf cart coverage for a rental cart nor one provided by an owner of a rental home, and many of the carts being driven recklessly and doing crazy things like strapping them in the bag tray are rental carts or rental home ones.

This begs for endless lawsuits and ruination of lives financially as well as emotionally.

How do you know they are renters?

[ohhappyday]

Cops can't arrest for stupidity. Think how busy the courts would be if they could.

Actually was thinking....cops could call it child endangerment based on the supposed ages. It really boils down to the "adults" in the equations thinking like adults.

[Carl in Tampa]

Child endangerment: placing a child in a potentially harmful situation, either through negligence or misconduct.

Reckless endangerment: A person commits the crime of reckless endangerment if the person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. “Reckless” conduct is conduct that exhibits a culpable disregard of foreseeable consequences to others from the act or omission involved. The accused need not intentionally cause a resulting harm.

The ultimate question is whether, under all the circumstances, the accused’s conduct was of that heedless nature that made it actually or imminently dangerous to the rights or safety of others.

One of the most important elements in these charges is not that necessarily damage or injury happened, but that there was potential for substantial injury or damage to occur by the defendant's actions.