What motivates some posters?

[graciegirl]

All of us have read posts on this forum from posters who always seem to have a chip on their shoulders at best and seem downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel at worst.

They rarely have an avatar or a clue as to who they are, whether they live here, or why they seem so ANGRY.

In your opinion, what motivates them?

How should we respond?....if at all?

If you try to say anything, they usually say that people are bullies and try to flame them...when in truth is the things they post are so angry making so many times, it is hard to ignore them.

They have NEVER shown up at Crispers when I was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".

I am not talking about disagreeing, I am talking about stirring the pot.

[Golfingnut]

Inferiority complex is the most likely culprit and of course dissatisfaction with ones own life. I have been around long enough to see some folks leave the site completely due to being restricted by Admin and the Monitors from berating other members. It must be a real burden to have a problem with everyone and everything around you. I have the urge to lean negative on occasion, but it is kept in check by my overly positive wife and ADMIN/MONITORS also give me a gentle smack when needed.

[AriaGrandparents2013]

All of us have read posts on this forum from posters who always seem to have a chip on their shoulders at best and seem downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel at worst.

They rarely have an avatar or a clue as to who they are, whether they live here, or why they seem so ANGRY.

In your opinion, what motivates them?

How should we respond?....if at all?

If you try to say anything, they usually say that people are bullies and try to flame them...when in truth is the things they post are so angry making so many times, it is hard to ignore them.

They have NEVER shown up at Crispers when I was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".

I am not talking about disagreeing, I am talking about stirring the pot.

The anonymity of TOTV provides a convenient cover for those with bad intentions and its best to ignore them. Hopefully they will get the message and go away.

[Bonny]

I just think they are so negative and unhappy it bothers them that some people have a very happy life and don't let the little things bother them.

It's like if I don't like a restaurant, I just don't go. I don't have a need to come on here and bash everyone who works at the restaurant. The negative people have the get the pot going & start stirring it.

You know that old saying... Misery loves company !!

[George Bieniaszek]

EXLAX deficiency!

[KatieDidNot]

Every blog out in cyberspace has its trolls. Little creatures who sit in their home and anonymously post hateful stuff and stir things up. They thrive on this stuff. Most likely they have been doing this all their life and they are a bully. Most likely if you met them in person and had a conversation with them, it would be one-sided. :blahblahblah:

Best thing to do is ignore them, and don't contribute to the post. Trolls hate being ignored and will eventually stop and go away.

On any blog, I really try to live by the old adage, if you don't have anything nice to say....

As a newbie, I read this blog every day and have learned a lot. But, I ignore comments from Trolls.

Trolls suck, their advice sucks, they are Bs, and you can't take it personally.

Now go out and enjoy your day in The Villages.

Cheers-Katie

[gomoho]

Stinkin Thinkin?!?!?!?!

Actually I think it's human nature and if at all possible try to understand some folks just like to stir it up. Gracie, I believe you have enough grace in your heart these posts won't keep you down for long.

And the good news is they are in the minority and we shall persevere.

[redwitch]

Sadly, anonymity brings out the worst in many. It's so easy to be as nasty as you like because no one knows who you are. Every online site has a few. With good moderators, they are usually kept in check. I run a parenting board and you should see some of the attempted flamers there (you flame once, the post is deleted, you're warned; second time you put on automatic approval of any posts; third time you're history).

I don't think these folks are necessarily unhappy with their lives, they just are bored and want to stir things up. For some, they seem to act as if the only way they get any attention is by bad behavior. Personally, I feel sorry for them. Never understood the concept that negative attention is better than no attention. The best thing we can do is ignore them and let the mods handle the dolts.

[Parker]

If folks were required to use their real name on the internet instead of remaining anonymous, there'd be a lot less rude and obnoxious postings. Yet, one could still responsibly make a valid negative point without the need to light a flame.

[kbace6]

I think there is some of the "Let's stir things up" mentality. But for most of the so-called trolls, I find that what they are really looking for is validation of what they themselves believe.

[Polar Bear]

Every blog out in cyberspace has its trolls. Little creatures who sit in their home and anonymously post hateful stuff and stir things up. They thrive on this stuff. Most likely they have been doing this all their life and they are a bully. Most likely if you met them in person and had a conversation with them, it would be one-sided. :blahblahblah:

Best thing to do is ignore them, and don't contribute to the post. Trolls hate being ignored and will eventually stop and go away.

On any blog, I really try to live by the old adage, if you don't have anything nice to say....

As a newbie, I read this blog every day and have learned a lot. But, I ignore comments from Trolls.

Trolls suck, their advice sucks, they are Bs, and you can't take it personally.

Now go out and enjoy your day in The Villages.

Cheers-Katie

I have a feeling Katie has lurked in a lot of forums, like me. She beat me to the punch and is absolutely correct. The trolls inhabit every forum, and the best response is none at all. That's not always easy, and I will admit to replying now and then. But you can't let them get to you, because that's exactly what they want.

Now, like Katie said...enjoy! :smiley:

By the way, totally off-topic but just for fun, here's a picture of my Katy (different spelling, but what-the-heck):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/sdavis44/Katy.jpg

[Mudder]

To give those people some maybe undeserved credit, maybe they just like to play devil's advocate, but many of them carry it way to far. What gets me is people who don't live here pointing out all negative things, etc...but I have to admit I also don't like what seems to me to be somewhat arrognant...someone new asks an innocent question and someone else immediately replies with a link. I don't know, I think an answer is better and more friendly than a link, but thats just me.

[2BNTV]

I think that some people feel they have lived long enough to be firm in their opinions and have the "my truth is the only truth" and if people disagree with me, then they have rose colored glasses on. Some people like to drag people down to their level ie misery loves company or I raise myself up by putting other people down.

It's like I say to my family, if one wants to have a good time come on along. For those who don't, stay home and be miserable.

I don't get into it with some posters but agree to disagree respectfully. It's just as easy to say, "that's interesting" as oppossed to saying, "that's a load of cr*p".

"I don't let people rent space in my head".

[Cisco Kid]

I'm back.
Hello all ( u all )
Boy Howdy.
It is odd that I see more grumpy grippers on here than my week walkin and talkin in the TV.
Everyone I met was happy and just loved my puppies.
We drank the cool aid together.

[Taltarzac725]

Why People Troll and How to Stop Them (http://www.osnews.com/story/25540)

I have a lot of experience with trolls having been the target of one particularly vicious one on Findlaw's message boards for about five years (2000-2005). That's when there were not that many controls put on some message boards. I do not really see the Wild Wild West kind of environment online anymore.

The best approach as many have advised is to ignore them.

[Cisco Kid]

I have a feeling Katie has lurked in a lot of forums, like me. She beat me to the punch and is absolutely correct. The trolls inhabit every forum, and the best response is none at all. That's not always easy, and I will admit to replying now and then. But you can't let them get to you, because that's exactly what they want.

Now, like Katie said...enjoy! :smiley:

By the way, totally off-topic but just for fun, here's a picture of my Katy (different spelling, but what-the-heck): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/sdavis44/Katy.jpg


Those eyes say I am beautiful and I know it.

[gomoho]

I'm back.
Hello all ( u all )
Boy Howdy.
It is odd that I see more grumpy grippers on here than my week walkin and talkin in the TV.
Everyone I met was happy and just loved my puppies.
We drank the cool aid together.

Hey Cisco - where you been???

[Cisco Kid]

I have been in Florida on a road trip to Stuart to pickup a old car.

Then a week right by TV in Umitilla. I have a sister there.

[towgo]

this is why it's fun to read.

[DDoug]

I dont even know why this post was started. Except to get people to respond in a negative way. If you dont want negativity dont ask for it. If I am being negative then oh well.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

.......but I have to admit I also don't like what seems to me to be somewhat arrognant...someone new asks an innocent question and someone else immediately replies with a link. I don't know, I think an answer is better and more friendly than a link, but thats just me.

Hi Mudder!

I do a lot of what you describe, at least in a couple of situations:

- a member posts a question about something that's already been addressed/answered on TOTV in the past, and

- a member posts a question that can be answered with a reply but is also supported further by the info in a link.

I'll post a link/links that should help them get the answer(s) they're looking for, simply as a means to be helpful.

If it does come across as arrogant in my case, I apologize as it's certainly not intended to be that way.

Thanks -
Bill :)

[Cisco Kid]

Hi Mudder!

I do a lot of what you describe, at least in a couple of situations:

- a member posts a question about something that's already been addressed/answered on TOTV in the past, and

- a member posts a question that can be answered with a reply but is also supported further by the info in a link.

I'll post a link/links that should help them get the answer(s) they're looking for, simply as a means to be helpful.

If it does come across as arrogant in my case, I apologize as it's certainly not intended to be that way.

Thanks -
Bill :)

Bill I like all your help, keep it up. :BigApplause:

[NotGolfer]

Up north, we had a "friend" who was this way in real life! ALWAYS wanting to stir the pot!!! His wife is the sweetest person---people gravitate to her. BUT him, think they've lost A LOT of friends due to his behavior.

I think some folks just want the attention. They aren't happy people in the first place, here--they have way too much time on their hands. We not only see bad behavior here---but out and about in T.V. (and elsewhere too).

Yesterday for example, I was driving my golf cart, had to stop for pedestrians and a car behind me laid on his horn. Down the way at a stop-sign he pulls up along side and literally is yelling/hollering (can't understand a word of his bluster) at me. What the heck is wrong with people?? I was only following the law of letting folks walk---it was in a designated pedestrian walkway too.

[2BNTV]

Bill:

You are the "King of Links: never to be dethroned. :smiley:

I always find you links to be helpful. I look at it like, if a long resonse is required, why retype the answer when you can refer to it via link.

Joe :wave:

[Trish Crocker]

If folks were required to use their real name on the internet instead of remaining anonymous, there'd be a lot less rude and obnoxious postings. Yet, one could still responsibly make a valid negative point without the need to light a flame.

Darn...that's what I did wrong! (does anyone know how to change my screen name??)

[Bogie Shooter]

...but I have to admit I also don't like what seems to me to be somewhat arrognant...someone new asks an innocent question and someone else immediately replies with a link. I don't know, I think an answer is better and more friendly than a link, but thats just me.

Guess I am guilty as charged. I post a lot of links for people to get information, factful information not just an opinion, or what a friend of a friend told me. Some posters reply with an on and on explanation preceded by a "I don't know or I'm not sure". If you go to the link, you get all the facts..........usually.

[Madelaine Amee]

Guess I am guilty as charged. I post a lot of links for people to get information, factful information not just an opinion, or what a friend of a friend told me. Some posters reply with an on and on explanation preceded by a "I don't know or I'm not sure". If you go to the link, you get all the facts..........usually.

I think you have helped me out on occasion when I needed some info off this board, and I appreciated those links. Thanks!

[saratogaman]

Often, in the early stages of dementia, frustration is accompanied by anger...leading to unkind outbursts...verbally and via keyboard.
Since it is literally irrational, there is no possible rational response to it. Ignore, walk away.

[Skip2MySue]

Hi Mudder!

I do a lot of what you describe, at least in a couple of situations:

- a member posts a question about something that's already been addressed/answered on TOTV in the past, and

- a member posts a question that can be answered with a reply but is also supported further by the info in a link.

I'll post a link/links that should help them get the answer(s) they're looking for, simply as a means to be helpful.

If it does come across as arrogant in my case, I apologize as it's certainly not intended to be that way.

Thanks -
Bill :)

Bill, all the great info you've provided us over the years whether it be via a link or from your general knowledge has been nothing but top notch. Never have I felt any of your responses where arrogant or the old "I told you so" type. We're lucky to have your enthusiasm for this site making it better for us all. A big THANK YOU :BigApplause:
Skip 2

[justjim]

Guess I am guilty as charged. I post a lot of links for people to get information, factful information not just an opinion, or what a friend of a friend told me. Some posters reply with an on and on explanation preceded by a "I don't know or I'm not sure". If you go to the link, you get all the facts..........usually.

I appreciate the "link method" of getting to the "chase" of an issue or question. You guys keep it up! As for me, I've learned a lot more good information than I've given out on TOTV. About the "negative stuff" and motivation of negative posts-----I look at this way-----You could drive a pickup load of money up to some folks house to give them, and they would complain about the model of truck you were driving. Drive on!

[Cisco Kid]

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[philnpat]

All of us have read posts on this forum from posters who always seem to have a chip on their shoulders at best and seem downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel at worst.

They rarely have an avatar or a clue as to who they are, whether they live here, or why they seem so ANGRY.

In your opinion, what motivates them?

How should we respond?....if at all?

If you try to say anything, they usually say that people are bullies and try to flame them...when in truth is the things they post are so angry making so many times, it is hard to ignore them.

They have NEVER shown up at Crispers when I was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".

I am not talking about disagreeing, I am talking about stirring the pot.

Gracie,
I was wondering about Crispers. We've avoided going because we weren't sure if there would be two "camps". We both left behind confrontational jobs with a fair amount of negativity. Someday we'll show up and get to see a bunch of smiling faces. :D

[Indydealmaker]

Hi Mudder!

I do a lot of what you describe, at least in a couple of situations:

- a member posts a question about something that's already been addressed/answered on TOTV in the past, and

- a member posts a question that can be answered with a reply but is also supported further by the info in a link.

I'll post a link/links that should help them get the answer(s) they're looking for, simply as a means to be helpful.

If it does come across as arrogant in my case, I apologize as it's certainly not intended to be that way.

Thanks -
Bill :)
Bill, Personally, I would rather see a link than a personal interpretation of the info.
Thanks.

[Mudder]

Bill,
Ummm, I think arrogant was the wrong word to use, I think maybe I meant something like impersonal. I don't know, of course I like the links to the real facts but sometimes people have personal experience to share in reference to a question. Please forget I used that word, way to harsh.

[LndLocked]

I find it interesting that their are 4 pages of people passing judgement on people that have passed judgement.

Does this posting make me a pot stirring troll?

[Golfingnut]

I find it interesting that their are 4 pages of people passing judgement on people that have passed judgement.

Does this posting make me a pot stirring troll?

You decide, because this thread has been more about suggesting better ways to communicate and not simply passing judgement. It is a fine line, but look closely and one can understand the difference.

[graciegirl]

Bill,
Ummm, I think arrogant was the wrong word to use, I think maybe I meant something like impersonal. I don't know, of course I like the links to the real facts but sometimes people have personal experience to share in reference to a question. Please forget I used that word, way to harsh.

You are such a nice person Mudder.

[CFrance]

Bill,
Ummm, I think arrogant was the wrong word to use, I think maybe I meant something like impersonal. I don't know, of course I like the links to the real facts but sometimes people have personal experience to share in reference to a question. Please forget I used that word, way to harsh.

I understand what you're saying, Mudder. But sometimes, especially when the topic has been discussed thoroughly on TOTV, it's more convenient to be given a link.

And if it's a topic that requires some reading and explanation, a link is faster. As an example, VG's link to a workaround on Windows 7 & 8 led to a video that explained it so well.

It's nice to get posters' opinions too, though.

And as for trolls--try reading the comments after an NPR article, or after a New York Times article, or any big newspaper. They may start out as comments, but you can reply to them, and they get vicious. We are pussycats compared to a lot of those people. Anonymity really brings out the worst in some people.

And Crispers meets only have nice people!

[rubicon]

I find it interesting that their are 4 pages of people passing judgement on people that have passed judgement.

Does this posting make me a pot stirring troll?

Lndlocked: spot on. In addition may I offer another explanation as to why a member would prefer anonymity. I once wrote an opinion for publication in the local paper citing the dilemma presented when driving a cart behind a very slow riding bicyclist. Lo and behold I received a call from a gentleman who had taken umbrage and called to tell me off. I did manage to get a word in edgewise and when I did was able to explain the article was about the problems confronted with designing multi-modal pathways and not bike riders.

I believe there are many members out there who simply cherish their privacy and do not use their anonymity for evil purposes.

I have noted that some members kill the messenger when the messenger simply spoke the truth. I believe in live and let live. I welcome anyone's opinion promise to work toward understanding them but cannot promise to agree with them.

Longer than I intended to be. sorry

[mickey100]

I believe there are many members out there who simply cherish their privacy and do not use their anonymity for evil purposes.

I have noted that some members kill the messenger when the messenger simply spoke the truth. I believe in live and let live. I welcome anyone's opinion promise to work toward understanding them but cannot promise to agree with them.

Longer than I intended to be. sorry

I agree. There does seem to be quite a bit of judgement passing, and there are some that are not happy with various actions of the Developer, who, when they express their views, are branded evil. "Love it or leave it", "don't let the door hit you on the way out", and all that nonsense. People who can't give others the opportunity to express their opinion without labeling them in such a way, are not worth bothering with, IMHO. I ignore them.

[Golfingnut]

LOL. Some will never get it.

[Cedwards38]

Unfortunately, what motivates many of the flamers are politics, religion, money, and an overwhelming necessity to destroy anything or anyone with which they disagree. Some folks just can't stand the thought that they may be wrong and others are right. By the way, this post is not flaming, its simply my attempt to answer the original question.

[Golfingnut]

Unfortunately, what motivates many of the flamers are politics, religion, money, and an overwhelming necessity to destroy anything or anyone with which they disagree. Some folks just can't stand the thought that they may be wrong and others are right. By the way, this post is not flaming, its simply my attempt to answer the original question.

Your so right and don't forget the OP indicated so correctly that the complainers is a very small minority, but always the same few. We can all find something to complain about if we look hard enough, but some never find anything to complement. The Villages kool aid is my favorite flavor everyday.

[mickey100]

LOL. Some will never get it.

LOL, that's right.:thumbup:

[Villages PL]

I dont even know why this post was started. Except to get people to respond in a negative way. If you dont want negativity dont ask for it. If I am being negative then oh well.

Ha! Good post, DDoug. That's exactly what I was wondering: Why was this negative thread started except to have everyone weeping and crying for their online posting misfortunes. Some people are not satisfied unless everyone agrees with them and if anyone expresses disagreement, well, that person is a no good pot-stirring troll.

We just had a thread on Autism where it was learned that autistic people sometimes say inapropriate things. Could it be that some of these "trolls" have Autism or some other neuro-disability? How would one know? And if we condemn them, are we being intolerant? Just wondering.

[Taltarzac725]

Ha! Good post, DDoug. That's exactly what I was wondering: Why was this negative thread started except to have everyone weeping and crying for their online posting misfortunes. Some people are not satisfied unless everyone agrees with them and if anyone expresses disagreement, well, that person is a no good pot-stirring troll.

We just had a thread on Autism where it was learned that autistic people sometimes say inapropriate things. Could it be that some of these "trolls" have Autism or some other neuro-disability? How would one know? And if we condemn them, are we being intolerant? Just wondering.

It's possible that some trolls could have some neuro-disability. Most websites have edit buttons though whereas in 3D life, you do not have a second, third, fourth, etc. chance.

[Villages PL]

I think SOME PEOPLE :) :)
Just like to run up their postings count number .
...
???
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:BigApplause:
:clap2:

You are right on with that comment. How about less volume and more quality of thought.

:blahblahblah: :boom:

[graciegirl]

You are right on with that comment. How about less volume and more quality of thought.

:blahblahblah: :boom:

Et tu aussi.

[Tom Hannon]

AS you all know my scree name is "Tom Hannon" that is my real name. I am not hiding behind a mask and everyone knows who I am. As far as some nasty people, it is the way some are. It is why so many of the regulars have faded away or have posted less than normal. Nobody needs to deal with temperamental fools who have an urge to complain. TOTV is a great tool for all of us. I learned so much about The Villages before I even moved to Florida and so many people too numerous to mention became what I considered a friend before I even met them. TOTV is an information highway and no reason to throw obstacles onto the road. The big boss was smart enough to stop the political threads and will give a warning if a thread was approaching political status. I have received a few PM's and threads from people who did not have nice things to say to me or other good people that have come to become friends. But I shrug it off because I know where it came from. And yes, I might not be working on all eight cylinders, but as eccentric as I am, I have knowingly never tried to offend anybody. I just wish the negativity would cease and every one tried to be helpful. But I guess, that is asking for world peace. It ain't gonna happen. But it would be nice if it could.
Lets us all get educated, with helpful knowledge all can contribute and back off of the complaining.

[Villages PL]

About links: I think links can be very good as many of you have mentioned. I guess that's when someone asks a question and a link provides the answer.

Maybe I'm wrong for saying this, but I don't like links that end up being a substitute for discussion. After all, these boards are discussion boards, are they not?

Let's say someone starts a thread with no comment at all, just a link. Someone reading it doesn't agree and posts an apposing link with no comment. So some threads end up being a battle of links instead of a discussion. "Oh, yeah?! Read this link!" Then a third party comes in and adds yet another link with no comment.

I sometimes wonder if the people putting up 2, 3, or 4 long-winded links even take the time to read them themselves. If they don't at least summarize the main point, then it's quite possible they haven't even read the links themselves. Giving the other person a long reading assignment is supposed to pass for having a discussion. Afterwards, a third party will come along and praise the linker for great links and it's likely that they haven't read all of them either. This is not a good example of a discussion.

:duck:

[graciegirl]

AS you all know my scree name is "Tom Hannon" that is my real name. I am not hiding behind a mask and everyone knows who I am. As far as some nasty people, it is the way some are. It is why so many of the regulars have faded away or have posted less than normal. Nobody needs to deal with temperamental fools who have an urge to complain. TOTV is a great tool for all of us. I learned so much about The Villages before I even moved to Florida and so many people too numerous to mention became what I considered a friend before I even met them. TOTV is an information highway and no reason to throw obstacles onto the road. The big boss was smart enough to stop the political threads and will give a warning if a thread was approaching political status. I have received a few PM's and threads from people who did not have nice things to say to me or other good people that have come to become friends. But I shrug it off because I know where it came from. And yes, I might not be working on all eight cylinders, but as eccentric as I am, I have knowingly never tried to offend anybody. I just wish the negativity would cease and every one tried to be helpful. But I guess, that is asking for world peace. It ain't gonna happen. But it would be nice if it could.
Lets us all get educated, with helpful knowledge all can contribute and back off of the complaining.

I will summarize my thoughts.

You are a dear sweet fella, Tommy Hannon and if someone sends you a nasty message I will tell the girls to load their squirtguns.

[PammyJ]

Using the written word to communicate can be a little tricky! As I have read everyone's posts, over time, I have started to see personalities come out. I feel sometimes if we are not careful with our words, it can be taken wrong. Some posts are just rude! But some seem to be written in a joking manner and are taken as an insult and may even be removed! I absolutely love people watching on here! If everyone was nice, polite and had the same opinion, I think I would stop reading! I say, keep being you! I love the diversity!

[asianthree]

Hi Mudder!

I do a lot of what you describe, at least in a couple of situations:

- a member posts a question about something that's already been addressed/answered on TOTV in the past, and

- a member posts a question that can be answered with a reply but is also supported further by the info in a link.

I'll post a link/links that should help them get the answer(s) they're looking for, simply as a means to be helpful.

If it does come across as arrogant in my case, I apologize as it's certainly not intended to be that way.

Thanks -
Bill :)

Your posts have:mademyday:

[rustyp]

You are right on with that comment. How about less volume and more quality of thought.

:blahblahblah: :boom:

Boy Howdy:clap2:

[CFrance]

Using the written word to communicate can be a little tricky! As I have read everyone's posts, over time, I have started to see personalities come out. I feel sometimes if we are not careful with our words, it can be taken wrong. Some posts are just rude! But some seem to be written in a joking manner and are taken as an insult and may even be removed! I absolutely love people watching on here! If everyone was nice, polite and had the same opinion, I think I would stop reading! I say, keep being you! I love the diversity!

You are spot on with that thought.:BigApplause:

[Indydealmaker]

Using the written word to communicate can be a little tricky! As I have read everyone's posts, over time, I have started to see personalities come out. I feel sometimes if we are not careful with our words, it can be taken wrong. Some posts are just rude! But some seem to be written in a joking manner and are taken as an insult and may even be removed! I absolutely love people watching on here! If everyone was nice, polite and had the same opinion, I think I would stop reading! I say, keep being you! I love the diversity!
Diversity is fine as long as it does not diverge from civility.

[gerryann]

Diversity is fine as long as it does not diverge from civility.

Diverging from civility seems to be way more common than it used to be on this forum....but as has been said, it's few and far between and usually the same few. It truly makes me feel sad for them..they can't be happy.

[rubicon]

Using the written word to communicate can be a little tricky! As I have read everyone's posts, over time, I have started to see personalities come out. I feel sometimes if we are not careful with our words, it can be taken wrong. Some posts are just rude! But some seem to be written in a joking manner and are taken as an insult and may even be removed! I absolutely love people watching on here! If everyone was nice, polite and had the same opinion, I think I would stop reading! I say, keep being you! I love the diversity!

Pammy: I said essentially said the same thing concerning your comments on diverse points of view. And I also agree with your comments on communication. The culprit in my view is political correctness which essentially stifles communication. People have gotten so reactive. Speak one word for example illegal alien"" and get ready for a battle. This dilemma has created the wide division in our society. You mentioned that you review many of the posts and have developed a poster's profile. i wonder if we had a complete analysis would we find that some posters detested unpleasant comments just because they were unpleasant and labeled them negative and hence their authors negative. I hope not. I grew up in a neighborhood where you were encouraged to speak your mind with the caveat that you better be ale to back up your comments.

IMHO far too many people on TOTV obssess too much about what they perceive as negativity rather than determining if the comments are objective or subjective and then engaging in point and counterpoint vis a vis that poster is just too negative. By the way there is a book out entitld The Benefits of Negative Thinking. If you spend some time reading about Abraham Lincoln he utilized negation in order to make his point.

[ilovetv]

If nobody countered with a negative point when nothing but glowing, honey-dripping positives are being gushed, you'd have no "discussion" nor "debate".

It's nauseating when only a grinning Pollyanna view of an issue is permitted while you're trying to bring up a a legitimate beef that is being ignored by those who should fix it. That is censorship and whitewashing. I hate that. Too negative? Too bad!!!!

[anarick]

I enjoy discussions, debates and I can easily accept criticism. However, I have a problem with someone attacking and throwing hurtful comments. Online attacks are unnecessary and immature. We should feel free to volunteer comments or ideas on this forum whether they're given by cyberlinks, pictures or simply worded without having to worry that it will be critically attacked. Gracie is absolutely the most positive person on TOTV and she can cut to size any attacker with charm and wit like no other. Many of her posts have made me feel positive about TV which is a good objective. Don't you think?
Come on folks, can't we all get along?

[Polar Bear]

Civil discourse can include disagreement on anything and everything. It's fun, educational, hurts no feelings, and helps keep open-minded people grounded and thoughtful.

Trolling is a different beast altogether and has no redeeming value.

The two are usually very easy to distinguish.

[Golfingnut]

I will summarize my thoughts.

You are a dear sweet fella, Tommy Hannon and if someone sends you a nasty message I will tell the girls to load their squirtguns.

I agree Gracie and I have met Tommy at Crispers where I use my right and Full name.

[Golfingnut]

Diverging from civility seems to be way more common than it used to be on this forum....but as has been said, it's few and far between and usually the same few. It truly makes me feel sad for them..they can't be happy.

:BigApplause:

[Golfingnut]

I enjoy discussions, debates and I can easily accept criticism. However, I have a problem with someone attacking and throwing hurtful comments. Online attacks are unnecessary and immature. We should feel free to volunteer comments or ideas on this forum whether they're given by cyberlinks, pictures or simply worded without having to worry that it will be critically attacked. Gracie is absolutely the most positive person on TOTV and she can cut to size any attacker with charm and wit like no other. Many of her posts have made me feel positive about TV which is a good objective. Don't you think?
Come on folks, can't we all get along?

Keep that thought as you are 100% correct. None of us on here are trying to gush out with unwarranted positive comments. Even we do not want this board to be sensitive to a fault, but:::::::

What I am saying is to be civil, you must try to tone it down when you become aggressive or negative.

Try using words like DISLIKE instead of HATE.
Confused instead of STUPID. etc. etc.

We all know, that being over the top in either direction is not beneficial to anyone and we know that person to person it would not be handled that way. This board gives some the opportunity to be less than civil due to non-accountability. If you tell me that you disagree with my opinion, I promise I will consider yours. If you say I am an idiot for believing the way I do, You have made no viable point at all. That is an argument not a discussion.

It is not the subject that offends, it is the words used to assemble ones opinion in a paragraph. We would still have the now defunct forum if everyone would have been civil with their posts.

[mickey100]

Ha! Good post, DDoug. That's exactly what I was wondering: Why was this negative thread started except to have everyone weeping and crying for their online posting misfortunes. Some people are not satisfied unless everyone agrees with them and if anyone expresses disagreement, well, that person is a no good pot-stirring troll....

I agree as well. You might as well have labeled this thread "What motivates some posters to post comments that I don't agree with?" Many of the people who are labeled as negative are those who don't have the pollyanna view of The Villages or the developer. Its been said many times but bears repeating, that The Villages is a wonderful place to live but is not perfect. It seems that whenever someone questions anything about The Villages that they wish were different, the change in the parades policy for example, or the IRS issue, they are branded negative and viewed by some as almost anti-American.

Just because someone has their eyes open and can see both sides of an issue, and happens to disagree with you doesn't make that person a troll. It is entirely possible that some people like to present both sides of an issue for the benefit of those newbies or people considering the Villages, so they get a balanced point of view. The IRS issue is one example. Its only fair for people considering buying to be aware of it. They are most likely not going to hear about it from their sales rep. I consider posters offering that type of balanced information as doing a public service.

The Villages is a great place to live but the only way to improve upon something good is to make corrections to make it even better. That isn't a bad thing. We should always be striving to make things better, and that entails change.

As far as offering links instead of hashing out the same stuff time after time, that is a good idea, but it does take time to research and find the links. Not everyone has that kind of time.

[JourneyOfLife]

The motivation: Human Nature. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.


Ever notice how that film title can be appropriately applied to so many things?

[graciegirl]

Keep that thought as you are 100% correct. None of us on here are trying to gush out with unwarranted positive comments. Even we do not want this board to be sensitive to a fault, but:::::::

What I am saying is to be civil, you must try to tone it down when you become aggressive or negative.

Try using words like DISLIKE instead of HATE.
Confused instead of STUPID. etc. etc.

We all know, that being over the top in either direction is not beneficial to anyone and we know that person to person it would not be handled that way. This board gives some the opportunity to be less than civil due to non-accountability. If you tell me that you disagree with my opinion, I promise I will consider yours. If you say I am an idiot for believing the way I do, You have made no viable point at all. That is an argument not a discussion.

It is not the subject that offends, it is the words used to assemble ones opinion in a paragraph. We would still have the now defunct forum if everyone would have been civil with their posts.

Your posts, Anarick, golfingnut,polarbear and many others were so well written that the message has already affected many of us.

Defining the problem and carefully debating the problem often sews seeds to cause the reader to rethink the issue. I find that when a person who feels strongly about an issue states his/her case without using negative words and phrases he/she has a much better chance to influence others.

None of us can help our strong feelings and they aren't wrong. All of us have a responsibility to consider that we ourselves just MIGHT be wrong.

What if it is eventually discovered that Gary Morse is a kind good person who feels the responsibilty heavily to leave a legacy of his life and hard work in the form of this wonderful town? What if it is discovered that Gary Morse is a uncaring and greedy person who uses every power at his means to goudge more money from naive people who flock here? What if it is eventually discoved that he is a little of both, a human much like us, who has gambled his money, worked hard and become an amazing business success?

I am just as wrong to diefy someone I do not know as those are to vilify someone they do not know. We just don't KNOW sometimes, we can speculate, we can come to probable conclusions, we can feel and we can be influenced by our life, our religious and political views and our core values and we can suspect. Many of us have been a member of one faith and switched to another and many of us have voted in one way and switched to another. We change and we grow and it never hurts to try to keep an open mind...but at our ages, that may be a lost cause.

We all are who we are and we all have admirable qualities. I often get hot when someone says something that hurts someone or me, but I try to keep a level head. Sometimes I win. Sometimes I lose.

Just as an example of finding it very hard to change our core views.

[Golfingnut]

Your posts, Anarick, golfingnut,polarbear and many others were so well written that the message has already affected many of us.

Defining the problem and carefully debating the problem often sews seeds to cause the reader to rethink the issue. I find that when a person who feels strongly about an issue states his/her case without using negative words and phrases he/she has a much better chance to influence others.

None of us can help our strong feelings and they aren't wrong. All of us have a responsibility to consider that we ourselves just MIGHT be wrong.

What if it is eventually discovered that Gary Morse is a kind good person who feels the responsibilty heavily to leave a legacy of his life and hard work in the form of this wonderful town? What if it is discovered that Gary Morse is a uncaring and greedy person who uses every power at his means to goudge more money from naive people who flock here? What if it is eventually discoved that he is a little of both, a human much like us, who has gambled his money, worked hard and become an amazing business success?

I am just as wrong to diefy someone I do not know as those are to vilify someone they do not know. We just don't KNOW sometimes, we can speculate, we can come to probable conclusions, we can feel and we can be influenced by our life, our religious and political views and our core values and we can suspect. Many of us have been a member of one faith and switched to another and many of us have voted in one way and switched to another. We change and we grow and it never hurts to try to keep an open mind...but at our ages, that may be a lost cause.

We all are who we are and we all have admirable qualities. I often get hot when someone says something that hurts someone or me, but I try to keep a level head. Sometimes I win. Sometimes I lose.

Just as an example of finding it very hard to change our core views.

:BigApplause:

[redwitch]

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[Villages PL]

All of us have read posts on this forum from posters who always seem to have a chip on their shoulders at best and seem downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel at worst.

Without knowing the exact words that were spoken, I'm at a loss to figure this out. "downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel" is totally subjective to each person. But supposing it really was that way, why wasn't it reported to the moderator when it happened? And if it was reported, why does it need to be rehashed now unless the purpose of this thread is to stir the pot?
They rarely have an avatar or a clue as to who they are, whether they live here, or why they seem so ANGRY.

As I have suggested before, perhaps there's a mental issue involved: Could the person be bipolar?

In your opinion, what motivates them?

Without knowing the exact context, it would all be speculation. Vague questions like this only serve to stir the pot more.

How should we respond?....if at all?

Report it to the moderator.

[paulandjean]

I agree as well. You might as well have labeled this thread "What motivates some posters to post comments that I don't agree with?" Many of the people who are labeled as negative are those who don't have the pollyanna view of The Villages or the developer. Its been said many times but bears repeating, that The Villages is a wonderful place to live but is not perfect. It seems that whenever someone questions anything about The Villages that they wish were different, the change in the parades policy for example, or the IRS issue, they are branded negative and viewed by some as almost anti-American.

Just because someone has their eyes open and can see both sides of an issue, and happens to disagree with you doesn't make that person a troll. It is entirely possible that some people like to present both sides of an issue for the benefit of those newbies or people considering the Villages, so they get a balanced point of view. The IRS issue is one example. Its only fair for people considering buying to be aware of it. They are most likely not going to hear about it from their sales rep. I consider posters offering that type of balanced information as doing a public service.

The Villages is a great place to live but the only way to improve upon something good is to make corrections to make it even better. That isn't a bad thing. We should always be striving to make things better, and that entails change.

As far as offering links instead of hashing out the same stuff time after time, that is a good idea, but it does take time to research and find the links. Not everyone has that kind of time.

Very well said. On this site,if you disagree with that majority.you are "labeled" Seems lots of people see things through rose colored glasses.Lots of the old timers on here are like they have their opinion and that is the only correct one. I have to admit,I like to "egg on" a few,and I hope it gets them thinking.

[Villages PL]

Using the written word to communicate can be a little tricky! As I have read everyone's posts, over time, I have started to see personalities come out. I feel sometimes if we are not careful with our words, it can be taken wrong. Some posts are just rude! But some seem to be written in a joking manner and are taken as an insult and may even be removed! I absolutely love people watching on here! If everyone was nice, polite and had the same opinion, I think I would stop reading! I say, keep being you! I love the diversity!

Nice thoughtful post, Pammy, and well worth the time to read. You should post more often.

:BigApplause:

[Barefoot]

Using the written word to communicate can be a little tricky! As I have read everyone's posts, over time, I have started to see personalities come out. I feel sometimes if we are not careful with our words, it can be taken wrong. Some posts are just rude! But some seem to be written in a joking manner and are taken as an insult and may even be removed! I absolutely love people watching on here! If everyone was nice, polite and had the same opinion, I think I would stop reading! I say, keep being you! I love the diversity!

Good post Pammy! I also love the diversity on TOTV. And if a member finds the posts of another member to be offensive, the Admins have taken care of that problem by providing an "Ignore List" (under Settings and Options).

[Cisco Kid]

Using the written word to communicate can be a little tricky! As I have read everyone's posts, over time, I have started to see personalities come out. I feel sometimes if we are not careful with our words, it can be taken wrong. Some posts are just rude! But some seem to be written in a joking manner and are taken as an insult and may even be removed! I absolutely love people watching on here! If everyone was nice, polite and had the same opinion, I think I would stop reading! I say, keep being you! I love the diversity!

This is so true.
I was taken to the wood shed by a friend for a post of mine.
I needed the spanking.
I love this forum and all of those on it.
Please feel free to say jimmy, down boy, sit, stay.
I relate to that.

[Mikeod]

I agree that the written word can convey meanings that are not exactly what the writer intended. For example, in a post above there is a comment that those who "have their eyes open" may have a differing opinion. Now, that phrase could be taken as a criticism of those whose opinion differs from the writer. Or it could be a suggestion that people need to look more deeply into matters.

But what seems to causing this turmoil is that there are those who see the community as a wonderful place to enjoy the fruits of their labors for the rest of their lives. They know there are some areas of concern, but feel the overall situation is entirely positive.

The other camp notices all the present and potential areas of concern and is not reticent to point them out. They also thoroughly enjoy the lifestyle available here, but have that background concern.

The first group seems to feel the second group is searching for the slightest blemish, like pointing out a mole on a beautiful face and encourages them to like it or leave it. The second group seems to feel the first is hiding their heads in the sand and accuses them of drinking the kool-aid or wearing rose colored glasses.

The truth is we need both people here. Just like both the POA and the VHA serve a purpose. It would serve both groups to be sure their words are informative and educational without denigrating the others' position.

[Indydealmaker]

I agree that the written word can convey meanings that are not exactly what the writer intended. For example, in a post above there is a comment that those who "have their eyes open" may have a differing opinion. Now, that phrase could be taken as a criticism of those whose opinion differs from the writer. Or it could be a suggestion that people need to look more deeply into matters.

But what seems to causing this turmoil is that there are those who see the community as a wonderful place to enjoy the fruits of their labors for the rest of their lives. They know there are some areas of concern, but feel the overall situation is entirely positive.

The other camp notices all the present and potential areas of concern and is not reticent to point them out. They also thoroughly enjoy the lifestyle available here, but have that background concern.

The first group seems to feel the second group is searching for the slightest blemish, like pointing out a mole on a beautiful face and encourages them to like it or leave it. The second group seems to feel the first is hiding their heads in the sand and accuses them of drinking the kool-aid or wearing rose colored glasses.

The truth is we need both people here. Just like both the POA and the VHA serve a purpose. It would serve both groups to be sure their words are informative and educational without denigrating the others' position.
Insightful.

[Golfingnut]

Well, lets say that everyone is right. If that is a fact, then I would rather hear folks talk about how good things are and stop whining and complaining about things they signed up for and cannot change anyway.

We have traveled all over the world and I say for us: The Villages is the best of the best and if its not for you, then chilout and let me enjoy it.

[mickey100]

I agree that the written word can convey meanings that are not exactly what the writer intended. For example, in a post above there is a comment that those who "have their eyes open" may have a differing opinion. Now, that phrase could be taken as a criticism of those whose opinion differs from the writer. Or it could be a suggestion that people need to look more deeply into matters.

But what seems to causing this turmoil is that there are those who see the community as a wonderful place to enjoy the fruits of their labors for the rest of their lives. They know there are some areas of concern, but feel the overall situation is entirely positive.

The other camp notices all the present and potential areas of concern and is not reticent to point them out. They also thoroughly enjoy the lifestyle available here, but have that background concern.

The first group seems to feel the second group is searching for the slightest blemish, like pointing out a mole on a beautiful face and encourages them to like it or leave it. The second group seems to feel the first is hiding their heads in the sand and accuses them of drinking the kool-aid or wearing rose colored glasses.

The truth is we need both people here. Just like both the POA and the VHA serve a purpose. It would serve both groups to be sure their words are informative and educational without denigrating the others' position.

I agree that we need both types of people. But honestly, I feel that the rose colored glasses group tends to go overboard criticizing those that differ with their views. There is absolutely no need for that. As someone else mentioned, if you don't like a particular poster and their views, hit the ignore button.

[graciegirl]

Et toi aussi..

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4843414096904388&pid=1.7

[gomoho]

:1rotfl: You're a hoot! and apparently quite technically savvy!:mademyday:

[gomoho]

This is turning into the Hattfields and the McCoys!!!

[graciegirl]

sorry

[mickey100]

Very well said. On this site,if you disagree with that majority.you are "labeled" Seems lots of people see things through rose colored glasses.Lots of the old timers on here are like they have their opinion and that is the only correct one. I have to admit,I like to "egg on" a few,and I hope it gets them thinking.

I also tend "egg" certain ones on, and as you say, try to get them thinking. It probably doesn't work, but its worth a shot.

[janmcn]

Well, lets say that everyone is right. If that is a fact, then I would rather hear folks talk about how good things are and stop whining and complaining about things they signed up for and cannot change anyway.

We have traveled all over the world and I say for us: The Villages is the best of the best and if its not for you, then chilout and let me enjoy it.

And aren't you lucky you got to learn about bonds, the IRS investigation, and sinkholes on TOTV so you could make an informed decision while doing your due diligence on The Villages, things you might not have learned from your sales person. You're welcome.

[mickey100]

And aren't you lucky you got to learn about bonds, the IRS investigation, and sinkholes on TOTV so you could make an informed decision while doing your due diligence on The Villages, things you might not have learned from your sales person. You're welcome.

Well said, thank you. :beer3:

[Golfingnut]

And aren't you lucky you got to learn about bonds, the IRS investigation, and sinkholes on TOTV so you could make an informed decision while doing your due diligence on The Villages, things you might not have learned from your sales person. You're welcome.

Trust me, I do my own research and that does not include taking financial advice from some unnamed source on any blog. Complainers are in business to disrupt and spread rumors for their own personal satisfaction. Give me facts and I will listen, give me your negative opinion and you shut my eyes and ears to worthless gossip.

[senior citizen]

Very well said. On this site,if you disagree with that majority.you are "labeled" Seems lots of people see things through rose colored glasses.Lots of the old timers on here are like they have their opinion and that is the only correct one. I have to admit,I like to "egg on" a few,and I hope it gets them thinking.

I "hear you" .

Like playing Devil's Advocate to let the other side of the story be shown.

Everyone would like to live in a Utopia, but it would be rare to find such a place.........especially if freedom of thought and expression are not allowed. How boring would that be. Different opinions can still be civil and polite.

I still can't get over my lifetime warning or whatever (when I never went to the political posts ever) and only once was answering someone's question as to where the v.p. elect's mother lived in Florida (which I had just read via the news online, out of curiousity myself). I am totally apolitical. It was a comment naming a town the mom lived in....the name of the town. Not supporting the nominee or bashing him........so that is not allowed, to say a town's name? Again, I am apolitical.

[graciegirl]

Senior. I just love you. I cannot wait to meet you in person. You have to be one of the best cooks in this country and one of the best mom's. I have read what you have to say on a lot of subjects and find you interesting, well read, fair and very caring.

I am so hoping to be your really friend.

So I feel compelled to point out the truth to you.

THIS is Utopia!

Going to put a little band aid over the chip site on my neck.

[senior citizen]

I agree as well. You might as well have labeled this thread "What motivates some posters to post comments that I don't agree with?" Many of the people who are labeled as negative are those who don't have the pollyanna view of The Villages or the developer. Its been said many times but bears repeating, that The Villages is a wonderful place to live but is not perfect. It seems that whenever someone questions anything about The Villages that they wish were different, the change in the parades policy for example, or the IRS issue, they are branded negative and viewed by some as almost anti-American.

Just because someone has their eyes open and can see both sides of an issue, and happens to disagree with you doesn't make that person a troll. It is entirely possible that some people like to present both sides of an issue for the benefit of those newbies or people considering the Villages, so they get a balanced point of view. The IRS issue is one example. Its only fair for people considering buying to be aware of it. They are most likely not going to hear about it from their sales rep. I consider posters offering that type of balanced information as doing a public service.

The Villages is a great place to live but the only way to improve upon something good is to make corrections to make it even better. That isn't a bad thing. We should always be striving to make things better, and that entails change.

As far as offering links instead of hashing out the same stuff time after time, that is a good idea, but it does take time to research and find the links. Not everyone has that kind of time.

EXCELLENT POST. Most people who have lived to our age and "been around", traveled and seen all types of environments in which to live, do not have a pollyanna train of thought. Nothing in life is perfect. It also depends on where someone just came from. What they are comparing things to.

[senior citizen]

Senior. I just love you. I cannot wait to meet you in person. You have to be one of the best cooks in this country and one of the best mom's. I have read what you have to say on a lot of subjects and find you interesting, well read, fair and very caring.

I am so hoping to be your really friend.

So I feel compelled to point out the truth to you.

THIS is Utopia!

Going to put a little band aid over the chip site on my neck.


Uh oh.............I'm going to rent that movie again. Please don't turn me into one....or is it my husband that does that?

[graciegirl]

Senior. I just love you. I cannot wait to meet you in person. You have to be one of the best cooks in this country and one of the best mom's. I have read what you have to say on a lot of subjects and find you interesting, well read, fair and very caring.

I am so hoping to be your really friend.

So I feel compelled to point out the truth to you.

THIS is Utopia!

Going to put a little band aid over the chip site on my neck.
It itches a little this morning.

[CFrance]

Trust me, I do my own research and that does not include taking financial advice from some unnamed source on any blog. Complainers are in business to disrupt and spread rumors for their own personal satisfaction. Give me facts and I will listen, give me your negative opinion and you shut my eyes and ears to worthless gossip.

Now THAT is well said!

[senior citizen]

It itches a little this morning.

Put some calomine lotion on it........all better.

[CFrance]

"Going to put a little band aid over the chip site on my neck."

Gracie, do you have an electronic fence too? ;-]

[mickey100]

EXCELLENT POST. Most people who have lived to our age and "been around", traveled and seen all types of environments in which to live, do not have a pollyanna train of thought. Nothing in life is perfect. It also depends on where someone just came from. What they are comparing things to.

So true. We too have traveled and seen many types of environments, and am happy to call the Villages home. The Villages is wonderful, but not perfect. Why that statement riles some people is beyond me. They must be insecure. The easiest way for me to deal with the pollyanna types has been to put a block on their posts. :girlneener:

[jebartle]

All info you provide is soooo helpful and for that you get :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: LOTS of popcorn!





Hi Mudder!

I do a lot of what you describe, at least in a couple of situations:

- a member posts a question about something that's already been addressed/answered on TOTV in the past, and

- a member posts a question that can be answered with a reply but is also supported further by the info in a link.

I'll post a link/links that should help them get the answer(s) they're looking for, simply as a means to be helpful.

If it does come across as arrogant in my case, I apologize as it's certainly not intended to be that way.

Thanks -
Bill :)

[duffysmom]

Bill you certainly do NOT come across as arrogant. I have found your info to be very helpful so please ignore the negative nellies and continue to be your generous self.

[graciegirl]

Bill you certainly do NOT come across as arrogant. I have found your info to be very helpful so please ignore the negative nellies and continue to be your generous self.

That Bill. He COULD be arrogant. He is as smart as a whip and has good ole Ohio "common sense".

But he isn't. We G's just love him and Sandy to pieces.

Someone took my request for popcorn down.

[CFrance]

So true. We too have traveled and seen many types of environments, and am happy to call the Villages home. The Villages is wonderful, but not perfect. Why that statement riles some people is beyond me. They must be insecure. The easiest way for me to deal with the pollyanna types has been to put a block on their posts. :girlneener:

Does that mean the pollyanna types are wrong and don't have a right to voice their opinion?

[CaptJohn]

Another aspect not mentioned so far (at least I did not see it) is that there are readers who either read too fast and jump to early conclusions or simply pick out the words of a post and latch onto them without reading the whole thing. Then they attack the parts offensive to them without getting the grasp of the whole. Off go the fireworks unnecessarily. They still have some sort of personality flaw or it still wouldn't happen.
Being a proofreader most of my life, I've learned to read anything I'm going to respond to for 3 reads. When one does that, it's amazing how many things one misses the first two reads. Doing the same thing when writing letters keeps from insulting people unintentionally.
Be kind, use the 3 times rule! :laugh:

[manaboutown]

I have been active on a few other blogs. They ALL have trolls. In my experience the best reaction to them is no action. If their posts are totally ignored after a while they usually lose interest and drift away to find other blogs having posters who will respond to them. These trolls seek attention and get off on any responses they obtain, at least in my humble opinion.

[buzzy]

...........
Being a proofreader most of my life, I've learned to read anything I'm going to respond to for 3 reads. When one does that, it's amazing how many things one misses the first two reads. Doing the same thing when writing letters keeps from insulting people unintentionally.
Be kind, use the 3 times rule! :laugh:
Yup. I read my posts about three times before hitting the submit button.

[Mack184]

There are people who are trolls who just go around looking to make trouble. Then there are those people who are just disagreeable people, and then there is me.

Hello..I'm Mack and I'm an internet fighter. (Group says..Hi Mack!)

What I have found is that when I run across something that I find so stupid, so arrogant, so ignorant or so goofy, I have the urge to speak up.

However..the angel on my shoulder tells me to just shake my head and SHUT-UP and go over to the thread about ice cream and ask where the ice cream stand is located that everyone's talking about.

Unfortunately, Beelzeebub is sitting on my other shoulder telling me to go bite whomever it is that has wrankled my undies. Again..unfortunately, the forked-tailed one wins out more than he loses, and the next thing I know I am wasting my time in a worthless full-out verbal snowball fight with some "ghost" on an internet board.

Sigh.

The internet can offer some valuable information, and I have learned a lot of good things off TOTV. I have even found my new internet BFF (G-Person)However..the temptation to fire off at somebody anonymously is far too great.

There's an old PA Dutch saying.."We grow too soon old and too late smart".

Amen.

[gerryann]

There are people who are trolls who just go around looking to make trouble. Then there are those people who are just disagreeable people, and then there is me.

Hello..I'm Mack and I'm an internet fighter. (Group says..Hi Mack!)

What I have found is that when I run across something that I find so stupid, so arrogant, so ignorant or so goofy, I have the urge to speak up.

However..the angel on my shoulder tells me to just shake my head and SHUT-UP and go over to the thread about ice cream and ask where the ice cream stand is located that everyone's talking about.

Unfortunately, Beelzeebub is sitting on my other shoulder telling me to go bite whomever it is that has wrankled my undies. Again..unfortunately, the forked-tailed one wins out more than he loses, and the next thing I know I am wasting my time in a worthless full-out verbal snowball fight with some "ghost" on an internet board.

Sigh.

The internet can offer some valuable information, and I have learned a lot of good things off TOTV. I have even found my new internet BFF (G-Person)However..the temptation to fire off at somebody anonymously is far too great.

There's an old PA Dutch saying.."We grow too soon old and too late smart".

Amen.

Good post...

[CFrance]

There are people who are trolls who just go around looking to make trouble. Then there are those people who are just disagreeable people, and then there is me.

Hello..I'm Mack and I'm an internet fighter. (Group says..Hi Mack!)

What I have found is that when I run across something that I find so stupid, so arrogant, so ignorant or so goofy, I have the urge to speak up.

However..the angel on my shoulder tells me to just shake my head and SHUT-UP and go over to the thread about ice cream and ask where the ice cream stand is located that everyone's talking about.

Unfortunately, Beelzeebub is sitting on my other shoulder telling me to go bite whomever it is that has wrankled my undies. Again..unfortunately, the forked-tailed one wins out more than he loses, and the next thing I know I am wasting my time in a worthless full-out verbal snowball fight with some "ghost" on an internet board.

Sigh.

The internet can offer some valuable information, and I have learned a lot of good things off TOTV. I have even found my new internet BFF (G-Person)However..the temptation to fire off at somebody anonymously is far too great.

There's an old PA Dutch saying.."We grow too soon old and too late smart".

Amen.

That's a good one, Mack184. Good explanation, and thanks for the thoughts--which apply to a lot of us, myself especially. So ditto.

[mickey100]

Does that mean the pollyanna types are wrong and don't have a right to voice their opinion?

No, of course not.. Of course they have the right to express their opinion. That is the point! We all have the right to express our opinions. Its just as I said - I personally don't believe that any place in the universe is as perfect as some people would have potential buyers believe, and after awhile, I have tired of reading their posts. That is my personal preference.

As CaptJohn said "Another aspect not mentioned so far is that there are readers who either read too fast and jump to early conclusions or simply pick out the words of a post and latch onto them without reading the whole thing. Then they attack the parts offensive to them without getting the grasp of the whole. Off go the fireworks unnecessarily. "

[Topspinmo]

I usually don't go on the attack unless someone brings out the snid or spelling remarks which sometimes rubs me the wrong way depending on the how I'm feeling that day.. we all have opinions and most of us don't agree on which is why we post. Anytime someone don't agree in can go over the politeness and that's when it can get out of control. WE ALL do it so don't think you all are up on cloud nine. Didn't take but about three posts here when I joined this wonderful fourm. We are all trolls that's why we are hear but some of use stay in the Closet till the nerve buttom it hit. There are plenty of grammer errors in this post for the I can spell or write better than you crowd so lets see if they can resist even in post about posting hatefullness.

I also agree people that don't reveal their names hit the abuse buttom more often.

[CFrance]

I thought one of the fun parts of being on a forum was having a screen name and avatar. Trust me, you would much rather see a picture of my dog than one of me, who doesn't photograph all that well. And for what purpose would you want to have my name, Cyndy Witzke, other than to find me at Crispers or the Toojay's liver & onion dinner? What exactly would you do with my name? When I PM people, I use my name.

This is actually only the third forum I've ever been on. The first is a travel forum, the second was an expat forum, and now this one. The other two used screen names and avatars.

So here I am, but I doubt I'll ever find a decent enough picture of myself to put up here, so I offer my dog, who's a heckuva lot cuter.

I enjoy the diversity here, but not the nasties. Also, I think some days we're all just in a bad mood. Like last night.

[Bonny]

I thought one of the fun parts of being on a forum was having a screen name and avatar. Trust me, you would much rather see a picture of my dog than one of me, who doesn't photograph all that well. And for what purpose would you want to have my name, Cyndy Witzke, other than to find me at Crispers or the Toojay's liver & onion dinner? What exactly would you do with my name? When I PM people, I use my name.

This is actually only the third forum I've ever been on. The first is a travel forum, the second was an expat forum, and now this one. The other two used screen names and avatars.

So here I am, but I doubt I'll ever find a decent enough picture of myself to put up here, so I offer my dog, who's a heckuva lot cuter.

I enjoy the diversity here, but not the nasties. Also, I think some days we're all just in a bad mood. Like last night.

I think a lot of people on here know who I am & where I can be found. LOL :icon_wink:

[Mack184]

I think a lot of people on here know who I am & where I can be found. LOL :icon_wink:
Although in this day & age that's not necessarily a good thing. To some extent, anonimity on the internet is a GOOD thing. There are far too many people who if they know your name, can find out all the rest they need to know and the results can be bad.

The down side is you have the trolls who are looking to make trouble who operate with a loud mouth and an ill will with no consequences for their actions.

[CFrance]

Although in this day & age that's not necessarily a good thing. To some extent, anonimity on the internet is a GOOD thing. There are far too many people who if they know your name, can find out all the rest they need to know and the results can be bad.

The down side is you have the trolls who are looking to make trouble who operate with a loud mouth and an ill will with no consequences for their actions.

Which is why I went on Google some years back and was able to remove certain personal information that some people don't even realize is on there about themselves. Not that all of it got removed, and I'm sure some smart hacker could get my ss#. But it's just crazy what people can find.

I guess I prefer the anonymity and will put up with/learn to ignore the trolls or people complaining that my name isn't up there.

[Polar Bear]

...anonimity on the internet is a GOOD thing...

Yep, nobody should feel obligated to divulge their personal details if they don't wish to. My avatar is a real picture of me though. Yes...I am a fish. :^)

[graciegirl]

Yep, nobody should feel obligated to divulge their personal details if they don't wish to. My avatar is a real picture of me though. Yes...I am a fish. :^)


I have seen other pictures of polar bears with fish but yours is the nicest.

You don't look too..um...growly.

[Barefoot]

To some extent, anonimity on the internet is a GOOD thing. There are far too many people who if they know your name, can find out all the rest they need to know and the results can be bad.

The previous Admins of TOTV advised me when I joined in 2007 that members should NOT use real names or divulge the Village in which they live, for security reasons. Especially when members talk about leaving their property vacant for the summer months. Or that they sleep with all their windows open.

[skyguy79]

The previous Admins of TOTV advised me when I joined in 2007 that members should NOT use real names or divulge the Village in which they live, for security reasons. Especially when members talk about leaving their property vacant for the summer months. Or that they sleep with all their windows open.Those admins were absolutely right! I know for a fact and from personal experience that there's at least a few members of this forum that will even go to great lengths to find out your personal identity so they can conduct unwarranted personal nasty attacks in an effort to hurt, anger or intimidate those of us who are not in lockstep with their mindset. That's the bad news! However, there is some good news.

Those that I know of who engage in this kind of blunt and direct negative behavior haven't been around much and haven't even posted for at least the last four months, unless they're using a second member account. That doesn't mean though that there haven't been some insensitive, mean spirited and hurtful things stated recently, but in those cases I believe that they were not personal and possibly not intentionally made, even though they did hurt me deeply in ways nobody else knows... nobody! :sigh:

[OnTrack]

I agree as well. You might as well have labeled this thread "What motivates some posters to post comments that I don't agree with?" Many of the people who are labeled as negative are those who don't have the pollyanna view of The Villages or the developer. Its been said many times but bears repeating, that The Villages is a wonderful place to live but is not perfect. It seems that whenever someone questions anything about The Villages that they wish were different, the change in the parades policy for example, or the IRS issue, they are branded negative and viewed by some as almost anti-American.

Just because someone has their eyes open and can see both sides of an issue, and happens to disagree with you doesn't make that person a troll. It is entirely possible that some people like to present both sides of an issue for the benefit of those newbies or people considering the Villages, so they get a balanced point of view. The IRS issue is one example. Its only fair for people considering buying to be aware of it. They are most likely not going to hear about it from their sales rep. I consider posters offering that type of balanced information as doing a public service.

The Villages is a great place to live but the only way to improve upon something good is to make corrections to make it even better. That isn't a bad thing. We should always be striving to make things better, and that entails change.


As a new member here at TOTV and just having found this thread, I was about to respond.

Your excellent post, now makes my detailed response unnecessary. :thumbup:

As with many bulletin boards, there is usually a small group who tries to dominate and ram their agenda down other people's throats.

Some are very adept at doing it, mostly with a sugary smile and disingenuous flattery.

I say to them, back off and accept those who are offering their own opinion.....and/or constructive criticism.

.

[mickey100]

Thank you! I've been bashed so much lately for the smallest of things by the same group of people, its nice to hear from the other side. I've had some nice pm's from people with similar thoughts as well. Enjoy your day.

[senior citizen]

As a new member here at TOTV and just having found this thread, I was about to respond.

Your excellent post, now makes my detailed response unnecessary. :thumbup:

As with many bulletin boards, there is usually a small group who tries to dominate and ram their agenda down other people's throats.

Some are very adept at doing it, mostly with a sugary smile and disingenuous flattery.

I say to them, back off and accept those who are offering their own opinion.....and/or constructive criticism.

.

Good post.

In other words, be accepting of all people who are their authentic selves.

None of us are teenagers in high school anymore.......very weird to see adults behaving or posting like teenagers when it's 55+ community .

Normally that age group has hopefully achieved some worldly mature views and shed the "mask" of phoniness....which they might have had to use when young..........those who have lived and existed in various regions of our country know diversity and also know that everyone is entitled to their own "authentic" opinion..........it's what makes the world go round. If we were all alike, it would be quite boring.

Sometimes posters are just "adding" to another's "ideas" and "opinions" by sharing what they know or have experienced from first hand life in general.......it's their reality but it might not be someone elses reality.
However, it doesn't mean that it is wrong or bad.

[Bucco]

Those admins were absolutely right! I know for a fact and from personal experience that there's at least a few members of this forum that will even go to great lengths to find out your personal identity so they can conduct unwarranted personal nasty attacks in an effort to hurt, anger or intimidate those of us who are not in lockstep with their mindset. That's the bad news! However, there is some good news.

Those that I know of who engage in this kind of blunt and direct negative behavior haven't been around much and haven't even posted for at least the last four months, unless they're using a second member account. That doesn't mean though that there haven't been some insensitive, mean spirited and hurtful things stated recently, but in those cases I believe that they were not personal and possibly not intentionally made, even though they did hurt me deeply in ways nobody else knows... nobody! :sigh:

THIS is downright scary !!!

Did you report the invasion of personal space ? I may be overreacting but folks who a "go to great lengths to find out your personal identity so they can conduct unwarranted personal nasty attacks in an effort to hurt, anger or intimidate those of us who are not in lockstep with their mindset." should be thrown out of any group in which they are a member and I am not sure of the legality of this action also.

[buggyone]

Since the Political Forum has been taken down, I believe that the posts are generally more friendly - with some exceptions, of course.

The Political Forum posters had a tendency to get personal and in-your-face quite often. However, I did manage to meet some of the the Political posters on a one-to-one basis and they are very nice guys even though we are on totally opposite ends of the political fence. I extended invites to meet some others but got rebuffed as is their right to meet whomever they want. I certainly would not want anyone to try and find out my identity if I did not want it known. I have gone to Crispers a few times and met some of the Political and other posters (including Gracie:a040:). Great to always meet new people.

It is hard to believe there are curmudjons (look that one up in your Funk & Wagnell's) on these forums who actually would want to find out personal idendities in order to bully or hurt others. I know there are some but very few and far between. I suppose they are just generally unhappy people with nothing else to do in life except to look for things to gripe about.

[kimball]

All of us have read posts on this forum from posters who always seem to have a chip on their shoulders at best and seem downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel at worst.

They rarely have an avatar or a clue as to who they are, whether they live here, or why they seem so ANGRY.

In your opinion, what motivates them?

How should we respond?....if at all?

If you try to say anything, they usually say that people are bullies and try to flame them...when in truth is the things they post are so angry making so many times, it is hard to ignore them.

They have NEVER shown up at Crispers when I was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".

I am not talking about disagreeing, I am talking about stirring the pot.

The reality is that not everyone is a "Goody Two-Shoes"!

[Peachie]

The reality is that not everyone is a "Goody Two-Shoes"!

Obviously.

[CFrance]

Since the Political Forum has been taken down, I believe that the posts are generally more friendly - with some exceptions, of course.

The Political Forum posters had a tendency to get personal and in-your-face quite often. However, I did manage to meet some of the the Political posters on a one-to-one basis and they are very nice guys even though we are on totally opposite ends of the political fence. I extended invites to meet some others but got rebuffed as is their right to meet whomever they want. I certainly would not want anyone to try and find out my identity if I did not want it known. I have gone to Crispers a few times and met some of the Political and other posters (including Gracie:a040:). Great to always meet new people.

It is hard to believe there are curmudjons (look that one up in your Funk & Wagnell's) on these forums who actually would want to find out personal idendities in order to bully or hurt others. I know there are some but very few and far between. I suppose they are just generally unhappy people with nothing else to do in life except to look for things to gripe about.

Very well put, buggyone. :agree: Not to mention curmudgeon is one of my favorite words.

[Heartnsoul]

All of us have read posts on this forum from posters who always seem to have a chip on their shoulders at best and seem downright mean, hostile, confrontational and almost cruel at worst.

They rarely have an avatar or a clue as to who they are, whether they live here, or why they seem so ANGRY.

In your opinion, what motivates them?

How should we respond?....if at all?

If you try to say anything, they usually say that people are bullies and try to flame them...when in truth is the things they post are so angry making so many times, it is hard to ignore them.

They have NEVER shown up at Crispers when I was there anyway..., and seem to relish their anonymous "jabs".

I am not talking about disagreeing, I am talking about stirring the pot.

I cannot respond as I really haven't seen any mean nasty messages on this board. ??

[OnTrack]

Thank you! I've been bashed so much lately for the smallest of things by the same group of people, its nice to hear from the other side. I've had some nice pm's from people with similar thoughts as well. Enjoy your day.

I think there are a lot more like us, but they prefer not to get caught up in all of the petty drama....or battle those who seem to have no life beyond TOTV. :D

.

[graciegirl]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban1332l.jpg

[Bonny]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban1332l.jpg

:coolsmiley:

[skyguy79]

THIS is downright scary !!!

Did you report the invasion of personal space ? I may be overreacting but folks who a "go to great lengths to find out your personal identity so they can conduct unwarranted personal nasty attacks in an effort to hurt, anger or intimidate those of us who are not in lockstep with their mindset." should be thrown out of any group in which they are a member and I am not sure of the legality of this action also.I've sent you a PM as I really don't want to get attacked again by one of the offenders by fully discussing it publicly.

I will say though that in one case the attack was politically motivated, even though I rarely post anything that can be viewed as a political discussion, except for the few days I did join the political forum long before it was closed or the attack occurred. I did report that attack to the Admin like I would for any attack, and when the poster repeated the attack I also reported that attack. However, I don't know if it did any good as the person is still around, but at least behaving... for now.

If their attacks ever resume, at least I now have adequate identifying information about the poster to provide to an attorney should it become necessary to consider legal remedy!

[Indydealmaker]

Anonymity is fertile ground for forum terrorism.

[OnTrack]

Anonymity is fertile ground for forum terrorism.

Oh puhleeze. :rolleyes:

.

[CFrance]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban1332l.jpg

The original Good Two shoes?

[graciegirl]

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[rubicon]

THIS is downright scary !!!

Did you report the invasion of personal space ? I may be overreacting but folks who a "go to great lengths to find out your personal identity so they can conduct unwarranted personal nasty attacks in an effort to hurt, anger or intimidate those of us who are not in lockstep with their mindset." should be thrown out of any group in which they are a member and I am not sure of the legality of this action also.

Hi bucco: I suspect like stalking unless the stalker has broken the law there is nothing that can be done. So I believe in this case even if in writing on this forum it may be nothing can be done except perhaps deleting the post,unless the wording is such that a lawyer , LOE deems the wording to clearly indicating a threat. We had a guy whowould call up my employees and turn the room blue with his language and nothing could be done according to the police. However, he finally went overboard and moved toward threats. The police called him and asked that he come to the police station so they could talk with him. they also told him that if he called us gain cam to our offices, etc he would immediately be arrested.
I my view the original call were enough but not according to the police.
Its tricky

[graciegirl]

Hi bucco: I suspect like stalking unless the stalker has broken the law there is nothing that can be done. So I believe in this case even if in writing on this forum it may be nothing can be done except perhaps deleting the post,unless the wording is such that a lawyer , LOE deems the wording to clearly indicating a threat. We had a guy whowould call up my employees and turn the room blue with his language and nothing could be done according to the police. However, he finally went overboard and moved toward threats. The police called him and asked that he come to the police station so they could talk with him. they also told him that if he called us gain cam to our offices, etc he would immediately be arrested.
I my view the original call were enough but not according to the police.
Its tricky

And scary. I think that the same person keeps getting tossed and reappears with a new name. There is only so much you can do to trace an anonymous poster.

[kimball]

And scary. I think that the same person keeps getting tossed and reappears with a new name. There is only so much you can do to trace an anonymous poster.

Wow. This is getting better than the old Political Forum except that Richie Lion is not around to dish out and field abuse after abuse. You folks all need to get a hobby and stop paying so much attention to this BS. Don't let life pass you by as you spend hour after hour with your nose in your PC monitor worrying about TOTV posts.

[CFrance]

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Okay, how about this one?

[Moderator]

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