The holdings of the developers.

[graciegirl]

H. Morse - Executive Profile (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/h-gary-morse-6581769.aspx)

It is no secret that The Villages IS the Morse family. But someone help me list all of the entities they own or have recently owned and sold to others.

Here are some they own;

Southern Lifestyles Furniture
Showcase Direct Furniture
Citizens First Bank

I know by doing this I wll get posts from the Morse haters and the Morse lovers and those who are thinking about moving here.

I think there is a better link than above and if anyone can find it...please post it.

[LndLocked]

T&D Pool-Retail / Service / Installation
T&D Concrete

[simpkinp]

I think they own Citizen's First Wholesale Mortgage. IMHO it is a Great company to deal with. A friend's buyer was turned down by B of A and Citizen's closed the deal in two weeks. That is why I like dealing with TV owned entities. Service

[mac9]

Recently sold The Daily Sun and now it is truly the Daily Fun.

Entertainment Department now owned privately.

But this is old news. He appears to be slowly divesting.

[Bogie Shooter]

Sorry if these are duplicates.
Business Connections for Glen Hollow Farms Homeowners Association, Inc. (http://www.corporationwiki.com/graphs/roamer.aspx?id=18611131)
Hickory Hill Hammock Home Owners Association, Inc. Company Profile - Located in The Villages, FL - Echerd Edward Trustee, Quigley Caroline, Dodge Dorothy (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/hickory-hill-hammock-home-owners-association-inc-3717714.aspx)

[StarbuckSammy]

They don't own T&D.

[Carl in Tampa]

I am neither a Morse lover nor a Morse hater.

I am a Morse admirer.

A friend of mine is the nephew of the man who originally owned much of the land which is now The Villages. He was a farmer and a rancher whose family was very influential in Sumter County.

As wealthy and influential as he might have been, he did not have the VISION for the use of the land that the Schwartz/Morse family did.

As I said, I admire the family. I might wish I could have done something similar except for the fact that I am not much motivated by money and I had more fun in the career that I had than I would have had by being in land development.

Having said all that, you might want to look at the web site The Villages Family Company Company Profile - Located in The Villages, FL - H. Gary Morse, Mark G. Morse, John F. Wise (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/the-villages-family-company-4207809.aspx) which should have much of the information you are looking for. It even has a "connection" feature which shows how various entities are interconnected by ownerships, directorships and other connections.

It also has multiple generations of the Morse family listed.

Happy hunting.

[billethkid]

the liquor stores in each of the "Publix" shopping centers.

The list could get very length if we want to include either family members or other "falily" insiders as they are plentiful in what is owned in TV.

For example Janet West's hair salon academy and the 4 or 5 salons around TV.

Or Phil Marquard who now owns TV Daily Sun newspaper.

Barbara Vesco and the entertainment business.

to just name a few.

btk

[rubicon]

the liquor stores in each of the "Publix" shopping centers.

The list could get very length if we want to include either family members or other "falily" insiders as they are plentiful in what is owned in TV.

For example Janet West's hair salon academy and the 4 or 5 salons around TV.

Or Phil Marquard who now owns TV Daily Sun newspaper.

Barbara Vesco and the entertainment business.

to just name a few.

btk

It is my understanding via a converation with an individual with access that Barb Vesco does not own the entertainment Dept and that the Developer is not happy about how she and her husband have been handling things.
Of course as rumors go here I could be dead wrong.

The issue of importance is not so much what the Developer (Villages of Lake sumter, Inc, et al) owns but the powerful control and influence politically and economically this entity has primarily over Sumter County but also Lake and Marion Counties. You can place a safe bet that it does not inure to residents favor

[Bogie Shooter]

It is my understanding via a converation with an individual with access that Barb Vesco does not own the entertainment Dept and that the Developer is not happy about how she and her husband have been handling things.
Of course as rumors go here I could be dead wrong.

The issue of importance is not so much what the Developer (Villages of Lake sumter, Inc, et al) owns but the powerful control and influence politically and economically this entity has primarily over Sumter County but also Lake and Marion Counties. You can place a safe bet that it does not inure to residents favor

Not sure it is a safe bet!

[ilovetv]

It is my understanding via a converation with an individual with access that Barb Vesco does not own the entertainment Dept and that the Developer is not happy about how she and her husband have been handling things.
Of course as rumors go here I could be dead wrong.

The issue of importance is not so much what the Developer (Villages of Lake sumter, Inc, et al) owns but the powerful control and influence politically and economically this entity has primarily over Sumter County but also Lake and Marion Counties. You can place a safe bet that it does not inure to residents favor

You mean they'd prefer to have remained in the days of elected politicians managing it as one of the poorest counties in the state instead of one of its most prosperous?

[Bill-n-Brillo]

Hometown Property Management was sold off back in '09:

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=F58604168BA5AD9BBBD7CB1B842B44EB

Bill :)

[Advogado]

Hometown Property Management was sold off back in '09:

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=F58604168BA5AD9BBBD7CB1B842B44EB

Bill :)

If your are good at puzzles, here you go:

Business Connections for Lbcv, Inc. (http://www.corporationwiki.com/graphs/roamer.aspx?id=14993004)

[Advogado]

If your are good at puzzles, here you go:

Business Connections for Lbcv, Inc. (http://www.corporationwiki.com/graphs/roamer.aspx?id=14993004)

To make it legible, but not necessarily intelligible, you apparently need to click on "Circular View".

[graciegirl]

What does inure mean?

Ah...just a click of the mouse away.


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[rubicon]

You mean they'd prefer to have remained in the days of elected politicians managing it as one of the poorest counties in the state instead of one of its most prosperous?

Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.

The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us

[graciegirl]

Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.

The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us

Heck I don't know. I am a girl from Ohio. I know this, that when the country was walking around in the financial doldrums, we weren't having the same trouble here in TV. Building ten percent of the homes in the entire country in this dinky little poor inland county. People were furnishing them and spending money and keeping the economy going here.

Somethng was done correctly. AND as we can see on this forum, people can jump frequently to illogical decisions. I CRINGE to think of this place being run by the residents.

Now let me see. A performing arts center, ten indoor pools, five new dog parks. a staff of people at the squares that keep folks from saving seats.More softball fields, separate roads for bike riding running, golf carts and cars.... All good things...but sometimes we can't have all of the fancy things we want and pay the bill. I don't care how much the Morse bunch has made. They deserve every penny of it.

Selfishly. I am gonna enjoy it all and hope it doesn't get ruined before I die.

[Golfingnut]

Yea, I am in awe of the accomplishments of the combined family members. I wish they would stay in charge of every aspect of The Villages and its amenities.

[gomoho]

Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.


The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us

Haven't seen anything yet government officials can manage better than private enterprise. Just saying!

[janmcn]

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/publication/Times_1A/20130410.pdf


Here's an example of Gary Morse's influence with the Florida Legislature on the front page of today's Tampa Bay Times.

[JourneyOfLife]

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/publication/Times_1A/20130410.pdf


Here's an example of Gary Morse's influence with the Florida Legislature on the front page of today's Tampa Bay Times.


It was a smart move by the developer and a good thing for TV residents.

If not, some healthy spouses might decide to sell and relocate if their sick spouse needed to go to a skilled nursing facility and there were no beds available.

Adequate availability of this type of medical service was one of my concerns. No one wants to think about that sort of thing. But it could turn into a big issue (crisis) if there is not enough capacity.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

If your are good at puzzles, here you go:

Business Connections for Lbcv, Inc. (http://www.corporationwiki.com/graphs/roamer.aspx?id=14993004)

Holy moley!!! I'd hate to be the person doing Mr. Morse's taxes!

Bill :)

[graciegirl]

Holy moley!!! I'd hate to be the person doing Mr. Morse's taxes!

Bill :)

Maybe that is why the IRS is investigating. No one can figure it out?

[Villager Dude]

Maybe that is why the IRS is investigating. No one can figure it out?

I am impressed with the entire place and find it more impressive since I moved here in November. In the early days there were deals cut to entice businesses to come to TV to provide services to the people. Dentists, stores, etc.

The first ones in must have had long growing pains. With Vision and a little Luck things worked out so we can benefit. This maise of ownership is complicated. I am not sure where the support staff is housed ( offices ) .

It takes a lot of people to keep this going.

I would suspect at the end of the buildout the family will retain the commercial operation and turn it over to a management company and relocate if they think it is necessary. All the infstructure of TV will be sold off and TV will be operated by the CDD's.

Were do the golf courses fit into this maise? I could not find them .

[LndLocked]

They don't own T&D.

I have been told differently by a source that would know

[ilovetv]

Ummmm...when you have the largest and fastest growing 55+ community in the state, isn't it evident that many more people here are going to need nursing home beds as compared to other, smaller communities around the state??

Why would you want a shortage of nursing home beds in TV? (Unless you own a competitor nursing home, as the man quoted at the end of the story is........the end of the story not shown in the link of the pdf file of the paper above. Full story is here:

Villages retirement community asks Legislature for nursing home | Tampa Bay Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/the-villages-the-retirement-town-thought-to-have-everything-asks-the/2114163)

[Indydealmaker]

Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.

The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us
Maybe one way to make an educated guess would be to look at the economies of the surrounding counties which do not have major cities within. Take a look at Citrus, Levy, Hernando, etc.

[fraurauch]

Try this link.

The Villages Operating Company Company Profile - Located in The Villages, FL - H. Gary Morse, John F. Wise, Mark G. Morse (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/the-villages-operating-company-4063838.aspx)

[PaPaLarry]

Which one of the Morses live off of route 466 with its own golf course?? Right by Tierra Del Sol.

[janmcn]

Maybe one way to make an educated guess would be to look at the economies of the surrounding counties which do not have major cities within. Take a look at Citrus, Levy, Hernando, etc.

Citrus county's major economic problem is the disabled nuclear reactor in Crystal River. After Progress Energy damaged the reactor by trying to repair cracks itself, Duke Energy has announced it will abandon the reactor.

Also in Levy County, the proposed nuclear reactor has been put on hold and Duke Energy is refusing to pay a lot of it's property taxes to the county.

[graciegirl]

Citrus county's major economic problem is the disabled nuclear reactor in Crystal River. After Progress Energy damaged the reactor by trying to repair cracks itself, Duke Energy has announced it will abandon the reactor.

Also in Levy County, the proposed nuclear reactor has been put on hold and Duke Energy is refusing to pay a lot of it's property taxes to the county.

THAT and there is NO big business to keep the economy alive in those counties. Before Morse, people were raising cattle and trying to raise fruit off this sandy soil and since it was inland it wasn't much for tourism..

Three cheers for free enterprise and someone who works hard and becomes rich. The quintessential AMERICAN dream.

In this country, it still holds true. If you get up early and work hard and sacrifice and save and bypass instant gratification and worry... and if you have a very good idea, you will collect more money than you need, which to me is being rich.

[Bonny]

I have been told differently by a source that would know

Terry Yoder owns T & D. He also has his hands in many businesses.

[jbdlfan]

My guess would be that they stay heavily involved with Citizens for a while. With a family member firmly in place as VP, soon to be head honcho, this is where they see the future. 120,000 residents, with a mojority with money in their bank, thats a ton of fees that can be collected! Easy money.......

[oxfordnative]

Bonny is right. Terry Yoder and his wife own T & D. Along with many other companies in this area.

[ilovetv]

Are you suspicious and seething over the holdings of Bill Gates if you own a Windows computer? Or over the holdings of Steve Jobs and his estate if you own an iPhone or iPad or your kids used an AppleII or Macintosh in grade school??

And if you want to talk about lobbyists in the legislature, how about chewing on this:

Top National Donors

Based on Combined State and Federal Contributions, 2007-2008
When powerful corporations or special interest groups find themselves with cash to spend on politics, they routinely spread it across the country in an attempt to curry favor with politicos ranging from tiny states' assembly members to the highest-profile U.S. Senators.

Use this list to track what groups funneled the most campaign money to political candidates, committees and interests at both the state and national level.

Top National Donors | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list_stfed.php?order=A)

[Mack184]

According to the FCC data base and the Florida Secretary of State, the Morse family does continue to have at least a percentage of ownership of WVLG under the corporate name of Villages Communications, Inc.


https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/cdbs_docs/ef/Form323/323_print/323_101.cfm?form=323_101.cfm&acct=0&appn=101457429&fac_num=70724&formid=322

[Mack184]

Not sure it is a safe bet!
Not at all. In fact that's a very odd statement to make. Morse Industries and those who operate on Villages property employ people, pay taxes, support local churches and charities and contribute to the general expansion of the area.

[alemorkam]

Richard Schwartz owns the property with the golf course that is on CR 466. It is for sale and he built, and lives in a home in Laurel Valley of Bridgeport.

[kimball]

H. Morse - Executive Profile (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/h-gary-morse-6581769.aspx)

It is no secret that The Villages IS the Morse family. But someone help me list all of the entities they own or have recently owned and sold to others.

Here are some they own;

Southern Lifestyles Furniture
Showcase Direct Furniture
Citizens First Bank

I know by doing this I wll get posts from the Morse haters and the Morse lovers and those who are thinking about moving here.

I think there is a better link than above and if anyone can find it...please post it.

We all know they are filthy rich. Why should we be concerned about just how much of our day to day lives they control through their many holdings?

[2newyorkers]

Try this link.

The Villages Operating Company Company Profile - Located in The Villages, FL - H. Gary Morse, John F. Wise, Mark G. Morse (http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/the-villages-operating-company-4063838.aspx)

Curious, how is the Wise guy related to the Morse/Schwartz family?

[Cedwards38]

Maybe that is why the IRS is investigating. No one can figure it out?

I'll bet they are well paid for trying though! :laugh:

[happy employee]

T&D Pool-Retail / Service / Installation
T&D Concrete

NOT owned by The villages

[Mack184]

There's ownership and there's "ownership". I wouldn't be surprised at all if Morse & family had minority investment interests in any number of businesses operating within TV. In fact, it would make very good sense.

[B767drvr]

We all know they are filthy rich. Why should we be concerned about just how much of our day to day lives they control through their many holdings?

You know... I'm completely surprised and actually blown away by the "hit piece" Graciegirl posted. In all fairness, I've never met the lady, but have previously enjoyed her posts.

I'm actually quite shocked she started a thread (and added to it).

In my humble opinion, folks like the Morse's are few and far between. I'm only 49, but someday hope we'll choose The Villages for retirement.

Again, in my opinion, the Morse's are complete visionaries and deserve ALL the financial rewards that come their way.

[Mack184]

G-Person doesn't need me to stand up for her, but where in God's name did you get the idea that Gracie's post is some sort of "drive-by" hit? All she was doing was talking about just what all does Morse Industries own? I don't see anything about it as a "hit". Actually I think it's sort of fun to try and come up with a list of just what's on the Morse family's "Monopoly Board". There's no malice there.

[B767drvr]

Whenever a thread is started with, "Hey everyone, let's figure out all the holdings and financial interests of the people that started this development..." The Morse's developed the Villages legally, and with great vision.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I just don't get why she would want to compliment the developer (Morse's) with such a thread and in such a way? If Gracie loved the Morse's, why not just say so and leave well enough alone?

[B767drvr]

These Master Planned Communities thrive because the builder has vision and is legally allowed to create it. Thank GOD for people like the Morse's! Without them the "Villages" would be little more than swamp land.

I simply do not understand people that come in way after the fact and lob insults via (gee everyone, wonder how much the developer owns?)

Do your homework BEFORE purchasing and enjoy your life. Why would a happily retired person give a rat's fanny what the Morse's own? How could that possibly impact their life?

[Mack184]

These Master Planned Communities thrive because the builder has vision and is legally allowed to create it. Thank GOD for people like the Morse's! Without them the "Villages" would be little more than swamp land.

I simply do not understand people that come in way after the fact and lob insults via (gee everyone, wonder how much the developer owns?)

Do your homework BEFORE purchasing and enjoy your life. Why would a happily retired person give a rat's fanny what the Morse's own? How could that possibly impact their life?
You have 6 posts, Gracie has a gazillion. I know how she feels about the Morse family. Are you are wrong on this one. Let it drop.

[villagerjack]

Heck I don't know. I am a girl from Ohio. I know this, that when the country was walking around in the financial doldrums, we weren't having the same trouble here in TV. Building ten percent of the homes in the entire country in this dinky little poor inland county. People were furnishing them and spending money and keeping the economy going here.

Somethng was done correctly. AND as we can see on this forum, people can jump frequently to illogical decisions. I CRINGE to think of this place being run by the residents.

Now let me see. A performing arts center, ten indoor pools, five new dog parks. a staff of people at the squares that keep folks from saving seats.More softball fields, separate roads for bike riding running, golf carts and cars.... All good things...but sometimes we can't have all of the fancy things we want and pay the bill. I don't care how much the Morse bunch has made. They deserve every penny of it.

Selfishly. I am gonna enjoy it all and hope it doesn't get ruined before I die.

Agree completely Gracie.

[graciegirl]

Whenever a thread is started with, "Hey everyone, let's figure out all the holdings and financial interests of the people that started this development..." The Morse's developed the Villages legally, and with great vision.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I just don't get why she would want to compliment the developer (Morse's) with such a thread and in such a way? If Gracie loved the Morse's, why not just say so and leave well enough alone?

I started it to try to show what someone who works hard and has a good plan can accomplish.

I don't know the Morses but I think they have done such a good thing that this remarkable place will be held in awe for generations to come.

They built a beautiful. clean place, filled with flowers and trees and bushes and water and vast lovely green golf courses and roads to drive on and invited older, smart, sassy, incredibly interesting people to live here.

They have turned what might have been wasted years into increbibly full years and have given many of us a dream we could never have dreamed.

Before I die, I have a huge wish to shake Mr. Gary Morse's hand.

You are wrong my young friend. On this one anyway. There is nothing to hide or be ashamed of that one family has created a successful business in so many ways and by example showed us all how it could be done. Little by little they seem to turn over much of what they have created to be bought and run by others.

It all seems good to me.

[B767drvr]

You have 6 posts, Gracie has a gazillion. I know how she feels about the Morse family. Are you are wrong on this one. Let it drop.

OK.. I'll back off. Can't imagine why Gracie would start such a thread? Perhaps she'll explain why?

I'm glad the american spirit and laws allow such people as the Morse's to create such great places as the Villages. I suppose there will always be those who question their authority...

[graciegirl]

I started it to try to show what someone who works hard and has a good plan can accomplish.

I don't know the Morses but I think they have done such a good thing that this remarkable place will be held in awe for generations to come.

They built a beautiful clean place, filled with flowers and trees and bushes and water and vast lovely green golf courses and roads to drive on and invited older, smart, sassy, incredibly interesting people to live here.

They have turned what might have been wasted years into increbibly full years and have given many of us a dream we could never have thought to dream

Before I die, I have a huge wish to shake Mr. Gary Morse's hand.

You are wrong my young friend. On this one anyway. There is nothing to hide or be ashamed of that one family has created a successful business in so many ways and by example showed us all how it could be done. Little by little they seem to turn over much of what they have created to be bought and run by others.

It all seems good to me.


If you had waited a few seconds....

[ilovetv]

OK.. I'll back off. Can't imagine why Gracie would start such a thread? Perhaps she'll explain why?

I'm glad the american spirit and laws allow such people as the Morse's to create such great places as the Villages. I suppose there will always be those who question their authority...

Maybe because the Morses have nothing to hide.

[B767drvr]

I'll let my discomfort with this thread die with the thought... I hope Gracie never compliments me! Yikes... what a back-handed compliment... question the extent of the developer's holdings and somehow claim that as a positive post? Must have worked in Washington...

[graciegirl]

I'll let my discomfort with this thread die with the thought... I hope Gracie never compliments me! Yikes... what a back-handed compliment... question the extent of the developer's holdings and somehow claim that as a positive post? Must have worked in Washington...

I don't view wealth or business success as a negative.

[B767drvr]

I don't view wealth or business success as a negative.

Ok I give, what was your purpose in starting this thread then?

[ilovetv]

Ok I give, what was your purpose in starting this thread then?

Let me guess first:

ADMIRATION.

[perrjojo]

Ok I give, what was your purpose in starting this thread then?

Maybe she did it to give you something to post about. :a20: maybe it was something to make you engage your brain. Oh heck, I forget what the post was even about by now!

[B767drvr]

Let me guess first:

ADMIRATION.

In .21 seconds Google would have given Gracie those results. Why start the thread?

[CFrance]

I'll let my discomfort with this thread die with the thought... I hope Gracie never compliments me! Yikes... what a back-handed compliment... question the extent of the developer's holdings and somehow claim that as a positive post? Must have worked in Washington...

Seriously, you have so completely misunderstood the purpose of Gracie's post. And Gracie herself.

It's a good idea to lurk here awhile and get a feeling for the different posters' personalities before taking off on any of them. Find out which ones are humorous, totally serious, sarcastic, bombastic, subtle, without guile, menacing, etc, and combinations thereof.

And PLEASE don't say anything about dog poop or roundabouts.:pray:

[mrdarcy]

...because it's of interest to those of us who greatly appreciate what the Morse family has created. All the better too that thousands benefit from the risks the Morses took to realize a unique vision they had --we who live here, those who work here, the economies of the surrounding communities, and yes, of course, the Morses themselves.

[CFrance]

Where the heck did the Report Post button go? I can't find it. Admin?

[B767drvr]

Life Call Commercial "I've fallen and I can't get up!" - YouTube

[Bonny]

A lot of people fail at direct communication. Many think they are "cute' or magical or whatever. The fact is they've FAILED. If they want to believe they start a thread questioning the holdings of the developer, and somehow that will turn into positive accolades for the many hundreds of millions of dollars of wealth the Morse's have created then good for you. Congrats Gracie, you have a whacked sense of humor and have forever lost a fan.

I have lived here 13 years & what a wonderful place to live !! Thank you to the Morse family for our wonderful life in retirement in the incredible Villages, oh, by the way, I'm from Michigan & spent many years vacationing on Torch Lake & going to Brownwood.
Gracie's post was in jest & just being fun to think how this all started & how it has become such a wonderful place. The vision of the Morse family and what they have created, we all admire !!!

[B767drvr]

I have lived here 13 years & what a wonderful place to live !! Thank you to the Morse family for our wonderful life in retirement in the incredible Villages, oh, by the way, I'm from Michigan & spent many years vacationing on Torch Lake & going to Brownwood.
Gracie's post was in jest & just being fun to think how this all started & how it has become such a wonderful place. The vision of the Morse family and what they have created, we all admire !!!

Wow! That seems easy enough to politely explain. Thanks Bonny.

I wonder why Gracie was unable?

I guess I have a problem with "jokes" in jest... another one pointed at the developer. I just wonder why we're now better off AFTER Gracie's post about this subject?

[CFrance]

Wow! That seems easy enough to politely explain. Thanks Bonny.

I wonder why Gracie was unable?

I guess I have a problem with "jokes" in jest... another one pointed at the developer. I just wonder why we're now better off AFTER Gracie's post about this subject?

I do not think Gracie's post was in jest at all. I think it was totally serious. But I also don't think it was a slam on the developer. I can't see how anyone would read anything negative into her question.

[Bonny]

I do not think Gracie's post was in jest at all. I think it was totally serious. But I also don't think it was a slam on the developer. I can't see how anyone would read anything negative into her question.
It was definitely NOT negative. Gracie is not that type of person !! What ever the Morse family owns is great. They worked hard creating this great place & deserve everything they have & I'm happy to contribute !!!

[Bonny]

Wow! That seems easy enough to politely explain. Thanks Bonny.

I wonder why Gracie was unable?

I guess I have a problem with "jokes" in jest... another one pointed at the developer. I just wonder why we're now better off AFTER Gracie's post about this subject?
When I say "in jest", that certainly didn't mean a joke. A lot of us really admire what the Morse family has created & just find it interesting how the Villages all came about & all the great things & companies they have created.

[B767drvr]

<<It is no secret that The Villages IS the Morse family. But someone help me list all of the entities they own or have recently owned and sold to others.
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Please dear baby Jesus... why would any sane person care what all someone else owned if they didn't somehow covet them or wish them ill? Just curious why Gracie would be so "desperate" to know what the Morse's owned? Weird and sad...

[CFrance]

Bonny, give up. I am...

[Moderator]

OK, enough of the personal back and forth. Let's get back on topic.