Food for Thought instead of the Cancer Cells

[gomoho]

LATEST CANCER INFORMATION
from Johns Hopkins

AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY …


1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.


11. An effective way to battle cancer is to STARVE the cancer cells by not feeding it with foods it needs to multiple.

What cancer cells feed on:

a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Note: Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.


b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells will starved.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes t o nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells.

To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water--best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines will become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup.

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor.

Anger, unforgiving and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

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[quirky3]

I totally agree! I think there is true merit to that approach!

[graciegirl]

snopes.com: Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins Hospital (http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp)

[senior citizen]

LATEST CANCER INFORMATION
from Johns Hopkins

AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY …


1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.


11. An effective way to battle cancer is to STARVE the cancer cells by not feeding it with foods it needs to multiple.

What cancer cells feed on:

a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Note: Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.


b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells will starved.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes t o nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells.

To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water--best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines will become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup.

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor.

Anger, unforgiving and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

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EXCELLENT POST...........I had a similar discussion (as above) about 20 years ago with a doctor who just happens to be a neighbor of ours.
Most doctors and nurses we know WOULD NOT have chemo....or radiation. Many would seek alternative treatment.

Hubby and I were just discussing last evening the thing about the cancer cells floating around in our bodies.

If someone was "over doctoring" or testing constantly.........and they were diagnosed with a type of cancer, proceded to have chemo and radiation, developed the neuropathies often associated with the drugs used, etc. and declined in body and spirit............eventually passing...

v.s

Someone who didn't doctor.......or run for tests....had the same cancer cells, but which were never discovered.....thus, never treated, thus they still are surviving.............is that a plausible theory?

We've known so many YOUNG people recently who had all the best treatments at Dartmouth in Hanover, N.H., in Boston, Mass, at Mount Sinai in N.Y.C..........and they are all gone, unfortunately.

It seems more are suffering with cancer than we recall in our youth or younger adulthood. We also have noticed that all the tests that were once promoted..........are now said not to be needed.......or needed less often. Just food for thought.

YOURS WAS AN EXCELLENT POST.......and thanks for sharing it.
I just read it aloud to my husband. It is true that our food sources today are not what they used to be........especially with the hormones and antibiotics in the meat supply. Our ancestors did not get cancer as they ate simpler foods.......prepared at home, in a simple fashion.

[graciegirl]

snopes.com: Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins Hospital (http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp)

I am sorry Gomoho. I know you posted it thinking it was valid.

It is one of those things that sounds good and may be true...but it isn't from Johns Hopkins according to Snopes. See above.

I posted it's invalidity for a good reason, not to argue with someone I respect mightily..

I am a cancer survivor and so is our daughter. Although we are getting close to better treatments, cancer and radiation is often the only way to survive and I don't want anyone to walk away from treatment that will keep them alive.

[senior citizen]

Cancer Kick – Robin Roberts’ cancer cure may have caused her new illness — and she’ll need … (http://cancerkick.com/2012/06/11/robin-roberts-cancer-cure-may-have-caused-her-new-illness-and-shell-need/)


We are all so happy to See Robin Roberts back after her bone marrow transplant......however, her original cure no doubt caused the new illness
as she herself has explained on camera several times.........

[mainlander]

LATEST CANCER INFORMATION
from Johns Hopkins

AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY …


1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.


11. An effective way to battle cancer is to STARVE the cancer cells by not feeding it with foods it needs to multiple.

What cancer cells feed on:

a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Note: Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.


b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells will starved.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes t o nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells.

To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water--best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines will become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup.

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor.

Anger, unforgiving and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

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Thank you for sharing, most interesting and thought provoking. Much appreciated.

[lightworker888]

I think that regardless of the source of the info, the idea of creating a more healthy internal environment or "soup" has great merit. If you can maintain an alkaline, oxygen and antioxidant rich environment by healthy eating and thinking and being, then the cells in your body will not have the environment to support mutating and multiplying excessively to create tumors.

The eating part is something that has been explored quite extensively on this forum, but the effects of positive thinking and being are as important if not more so, as our thinking affects our perception which guides our responses to life choices and situations, and the goal to maintain a healthy internal "soup" is very much affected by the way our cells are vibrating.

Anyone familiar with energy work and muscle testing can demonstrate how words, colors, thoughts and in fact all information that we receive through our senses, affect our body's ability to maintain a healthy vibration. Chiropractors use this system all the time to find the areas that need attention. Eastern medicine uses aspects of that for diagnosing.

We so often forget that we are not just physical beings, but emotional, mental and spiritual beings and I believe that the physical signs are the last place the body talks to us when we haven't paid attention to the non-physical aspects of ourselves.

We are all so unique that there really isn't a one size fits all way to guarantee optimal health, and we are all doing the best we can, given all that we personally know and can incorporate.

But this article at least may provide some food for thought for those who are inclined or interested in pursuing this line of thought. It will resonate with them and they can explore the ideas through so many related articles and books. It is not new and it is not "wrong", It is just another way of dealing with your health and wellbeing.


LW888

[Villages PL]

In some ways, the debunking by Johns Hopkins is almost as bad as the email hoax, as far as being misleading. For example, they say that cancer is a genetic disease and quickly explain that it can be a genetic mutation caused by environment, diet and smoking. So, in fact, for the most part, the root cause is not genetic. The root cause is the environment, which, for the most part, involves one's lifestyle. The CDC estimates that only about 2 to 5% of cancer is caused solely by genes.

For the most part, genes by themselves don't cause disease. Do you think there's a cancer gene just sitting there in your body waiting for you to turn 65 or 75 so it can give you cancer? Genes need to be turned on in some way. And, for the most part, we turn them on through our lifestyle.

When it comes time to protect their turf, I think doctors often overreact. And that's why they want you to think that cancer is a "genetic disease".
Why didn't they call it a "lifestyle disease" and then explain that only 2 to 5% of cancers are caused solely by genes?


P.S. I found "Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry (ATSDR)"

Search: ATSDR - Cancer and the Environment - What causes cancer?

ATSDR must be a division of CDC because if you scroll all the way down you will find an address and phone number for the CDC.

[graciegirl]

Dear heavens, give me patience.

and BoyHowdy too.

Johns Hopkins IS NOT the source of the original article.

If any of you are diagnosed with cancer PLEASE go to a good oncologist and follow his directions. A neighbor decided on the natural treatment for the same cancer I had and is no longer on this earth.

Chemo and radiation is not for sissies but in many cases it is all we have to kill cancer these days.

It won't hurt to eat a healthy diet but we are talking about hopes and dreams rather than reality.

[KathieI]

I have always tried to live by the article that was written. Long before people talked about organic foods, pesticide free fruits and vegetables, eating less fats and red meat, I lived the 60's with this principle in mind. I lived by Adele Davis and others who believed in healthy eating. Veggies were my #1 choice in foods and I never had a weight problem.

We all know the damage that chemo and radiation do to the body, but if you have ever had a doctor tell you that you had cancer, the first thing out of my mouth was how bad is it and how can we get rid of it. When he tells me localized radiation and removal of the tumor should do it.. I was elated. I had heard the horror stories about radiation and the damage it does but I also had heard about new technology of radiation called The Savi system. So after researching all my options, I decided to go the way of Savi radiation and enroll in the advice of my oncologist of mammos be conducted every 6 months and continual exams by my oncologist along with the prescribed anti-cancer pill, Tamoxifen (which I did not want to take). Again with major research, my oncologist gave me an alternative pill that is newer on the market and has proven to have excellent results with my particular type of cancer.

I do believe we all try to live healthy lifestyles because not one of us wants to hear the C word, do we. But if it does occur, we should all investigate all the possibilities of treatment and look at the data on successful and non-successful cases and decide which way to go.

I trusted all my doctors and nurses and I'm so glad I did. So far, we have good results and I'm hoping it continues for the projected 5 year time frame and that I can get back to a normal lifestyle.

I do hope that you all listen to your doctors and decide after careful investigation which is the proper method of treatment. But in the meantime, we should all eat healthy, avoid stress, increase meditation and relaxation time and keep up on all the life saving medical tests that we know will save our lives.

[gomoho]

WHOA!!! just got home and sorry to have started a controversy and even more so for posting without validating the info. Wish I had omitted the Johns Hopkins part 'cause I personally feel there is a good amount of valid information in the article. But, I agree with Gracie 100% if you are currently being treated for cancer with chemo or radiation, please don't go willy-nilly looking for alternatives and stick with your doctor's plan.

However, like I said I do believe there is some truth in the article and hopefully we are all intelligent enough to work with what we think is reasonable. Remember they thought Christopher Columbus was crazy!!!

[Villages PL]

One more thing about being diagnosed with cancer: Better and better equipment is finding cancer earlier and earlier, for those who go for regular check-ups. The problem with finding cancer in a very early stage is that sometimes, if left alone, it will either go away by itself or not progress. But, often, doctors will recommend some kind of treatment.

Here are a few examples: Almost all elderly people have a few cancer cells in their thyroid but dying of thyroid cancer is rare.

Almost all eldery men have a few cancer cells in their prostate but treatment is not always advisable.

Breast cancer, if discovered at a very early stage, may either go away by itself or not progress.

If you doubt this, read, "Should I Be Tested For Cancer?" Maybe Not And Here's Why.

[senior citizen]

I think that regardless of the source of the info, the idea of creating a more healthy internal environment or "soup" has great merit. If you can maintain an alkaline, oxygen and antioxidant rich environment by healthy eating and thinking and being, then the cells in your body will not have the environment to support mutating and multiplying excessively to create tumors.

The eating part is something that has been explored quite extensively on this forum, but the effects of positive thinking and being are as important if not more so, as our thinking affects our perception which guides our responses to life choices and situations, and the goal to maintain a healthy internal "soup" is very much affected by the way our cells are vibrating.

Anyone familiar with energy work and muscle testing can demonstrate how words, colors, thoughts and in fact all information that we receive through our senses, affect our body's ability to maintain a healthy vibration. Chiropractors use this system all the time to find the areas that need attention. Eastern medicine uses aspects of that for diagnosing.

We so often forget that we are not just physical beings, but emotional, mental and spiritual beings and I believe that the physical signs are the last place the body talks to us when we haven't paid attention to the non-physical aspects of ourselves.

We are all so unique that there really isn't a one size fits all way to guarantee optimal health, and we are all doing the best we can, given all that we personally know and can incorporate.

But this article at least may provide some food for thought for those who are inclined or interested in pursuing this line of thought. It will resonate with them and they can explore the ideas through so many related articles and books. It is not new and it is not "wrong", It is just another way of dealing with your health and wellbeing.


LW888

Your fourth paragraph is so true..........as is the fifth paragraph.

Excellent post............as everyone is a unique being, inside and out.

Plus, some people's journey on earth may be long while others are short for a reason.........they may be more spiritually advanced and can "graduate" to the next level of being...........

Your posts are always intelligent, kind and caring.....an old soul for sure.

[ConeyIsBabe]

Interesting information.

[senior citizen]

One more thing about being diagnosed with cancer: Better and better equipment is finding cancer earlier and earlier, for those who go for regular check-ups. The problem with finding cancer in a very early stage is that sometimes, if left alone, it will either go away by itself or not progress. But, often, doctors will recommend some kind of treatment.

Here are a few examples: Almost all elderly people have a few cancer cells in their thyroid but dying of thyroid cancer is rare.

Almost all eldery men have a few cancer cells in their prostate but treatment is not always advisable.

Breast cancer, if discovered at a very early stage, may either go away by itself or not progress.

If you doubt this, read, "Should I Be Tested For Cancer: Maybe Not And Here's Why."


I can agree with everything you have posted here.....having read much that totally explains all of the above........with regard to everyone having cancer cells......that either go away on their own.......or simply never progress to anything with fatal consequences...........but, it's the harsh treatment of chemo and radiation that ultimately kill the healthy cells, sometimes leading to premature death.............of course, there also are helpful cures with some treatments. Ultimately, the decision is up to the individual.

Everyone we know who had drastic severe chemo and radiation developed terrible neurapathies (nerve damage of hands, feet, etc.) which diminished their quality of life...........the ones with Hodgkins Disease later got Leukemia from the treatment.........so all they gained was borrowed time. The ones who began at a young age with Leukemia and were successfully treated......later were diagnosed with Hodgkins...and told it was from the treatment...

One lady we know in her 50's who got the best space age treatment for liver cancer at Duke University Medical School Hospital.......supposedly is cancer free after having some type of radioactive isotopes inplanted into her liver.......great news. The bad news is they told her she now has early onset DEMENTIA caused by the treatment. Yes, they told her that. Caused by the treatment. She never had chemo....just the implants.

Those with breast cancer who only opted for lumpectomy or surgery with NO CHEMO and NO RADIATION.........are still alive. The ones who had the chemo and radiation lived a year or so and then succumbed to metasteces to the brain, adrenals, bones and various other organs........these were young women in their 40's.........who sadly left very young children.

It's a difficult decision for those put in the predicament of having to decide. Knowledge is power.....

I've also noticed those who chose NOT to have breast reconstruction after cancer surgery are still alive, but those who had the reconstructive surgery are sadly dead.
I've read that once the entire chest wall is opened for this reconstructive surgery, some rogue cancer cells can travel..........and create a return of cancer.
All of this surgery was done at a top teaching university hospital..........I read their research and they know this to be a fact. Cancer cells spread during surgery.

We do know some elderly men in their early 90s now who were told back when they were about 70 and 75 that they had prostate cancer and given the choice of treatment or doing nothing. They chose "doing nothing" and are still alive and living a good quality of life.

Besides cancer, I know young women who had been diagnosed with Sytemic Lupus in their late teens and/or early 20's and were put on heavy doses of Prednisone........which has some psychotic side effects. Back then it may have been different than what they use today......but they all died. One lady is still alive.......she went off the Prednisone herself as she did not like the "moon face" it gave her........she later was told that maybe her Lupus just "went away on its own". Go figure.

All drugs that many consider life saving.......may have alternate consequential detrimental side effects...............

I truly believe that so many cancers are caused by the environment.

We were just remembering a friend, WHO NEVER SMOKED, who died of lung cancer.........a year before she was diagnosed she decided to "rip up and scrape up" an old asbestos floor her grandpa had put into his kitchen; the home she and her husband later bought..........she wore no mask or protective clothing when she ripped up this floor, a bit each day. It creates a lot of asbestos "dust"........I'll always wonder if that contributed to her lung cancer.

[l2ridehd]

A lot of what is posted in this thread has merit. Always eat better and more healthy. Eat more fruits and vegetables. Limit your intake of red meat. Exercise more. Avoid medicines and treatments when practical and proven alternatives are available. Always explore and understand alternatives to suggested treatments and make the best decision for you.

However unless you are a qualified MD and have worked in the field of cancer treatment please refrain from providing medical advice based on anecdotal or the "I heard or I know someone" information. Based on the demographics of the people reading this forum I am sure there are people today making life decisions based on what their trained, experienced and qualified doctor is telling them. To create some false hope based on rumor and innuendo is not only harmful but criminal.

I know the flamers will start throwing arrows based on this post, but think first about how you would want treatment if you or your child or loved one was diagnosed with this horrible disease.

[graciegirl]

A lot of what is posted in this thread has merit. Always eat better and more healthy. Eat more fruits and vegetables. Limit your intake of red meat. Exercise more. Avoid medicines and treatments when practical and proven alternatives are available. Always explore and understand alternatives to suggested treatments and make the best decision for you.

However unless you are a qualified MD and have worked in the field of cancer treatment please refrain from providing medical advice based on anecdotal or the "I heard or I know someone" information. Based on the demographics of the people reading this forum I am sure there are people today making life decisions based on what their trained, experienced and qualified doctor is telling them. To create some false hope based on rumor and innuendo is not only harmful but criminal.

I know the flamers will start throwing arrows based on this post, but think first about how you would want treatment if you or your child or loved one was diagnosed with this horrible disease.

Well said as usual Chris.

[senior citizen]

But when one has lived on this earth a long enough time, they certainly know many cancer survivors as well as those who did not make it.....and can weigh the differences, not to mention having friends and neighbors in the medical field who share their own hands on opinions and experiences. We know many in the medical field who say they WOULD NOT go through chemo if they or their spouse was diagnosed with cancer. To each his own; this is just personal opinions of those in the know, from what they've seen and experienced first hand.

Back in 1968, and earlier, there wasn't chemo ( that I know of anyway.)
My 50 year old mother in law first was diagnosed with uterine cancer, then kidney cancer which then spread to her bones and brain. It was a sarcoma. She had no treatment as there was none, or so we all were told. She died a painless death.
Amazing but true. However, she was confined to a wheelchair at the end after it spread to her brain. Doctors later thought that it had been related to her x-rays back when she was pregnant with her 4th child in 1950..........they had thought he might be a twin.........at that time they didn't realize the dangers of radiation and xrayed her, often.........which "might" have resulted in her subsequent uterine and kidney cancer...........I wish she had stayed around on this earth longer as she was a good mother in law. That also is a rare comment, but I did have a very nice mother in law.

If my memory is correct, most recently, many doctors have said that so many "tests" involving a form of radiation, have now been deemed not really necessary......or not necessary as often as earlier thought. So, that would either be due to "cost restrictions" by the medical industry or else they know that too much over testing with radiation can result in other problems.

[graciegirl]

But when one has lived on this earth a long enough time, they certainly know many cancer survivors as well as those who did not make it.....and can weigh the differences, not to mention having friends and neighbors in the medical field who share their own hands on opinions and experiences. We know many in the medical field who say they WOULD NOT go through chemo if they or their spouse was diagnosed with cancer. To each his own; this is just personal opinions of those in the know, from what they've seen and experienced first hand.

Back in 1968, and earlier, there wasn't chemo ( that I know of anyway.)
My 50 year old mother in law first was diagnosed with uterine cancer, then kidney cancer which then spread to her bones and brain. It was a sarcoma. She had no treatment as there was none, or so we all were told. She died a painless death.
Amazing but true. However, she was confined to a wheelchair at the end after it spread to her brain. Doctors later thought that it had been related to her x-rays back when she was pregnant with her 4th child in 1950..........they had thought he might be a twin.........at that time they didn't realize the dangers of radiation and xrayed her, often.........which "might" have resulted in her subsequent uterine and kidney cancer...........I wish she had stayed around on this earth longer as she was a good mother in law. That also is a rare comment, but I did have a very nice mother in law.

If my memory is correct, most recently, many doctors have said that so many "tests" involving a form of radiation, have now been deemed not really necessary......or not necessary as often as earlier thought. So, that would either be due to "cost restrictions" by the medical industry or else they know that too much over testing with radiation can result in other problems.

SENIOR.

CHEMO AND RADIATION CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE. I respectfully disagree with your statements, although at times true.

Unless and until you PERSONALLY have faced cancer or one of your children or your spouse has faced it and you know personally what is offered to you or to them, it is not a good idea to give controversial advice that could cause someone to consider a course of treatment that will more quickly kill them.

If nothing else, please consider the treatments given today as a means to buy time while other genetic treatment which will not be so harsh or dangerous are in the works.

Suzanne Somers may have good intentions too, but on the very serious issue of cancer diagnosis and treatment, we should consult the best oncologist our money can buy and follow their advice and leave theories and speculation to others.

Cancer is NO baby game and the treatment of it is not for lay people.

I know you mean well and many of us just love your advice on many subjects and the last thing I want to do is hurt you or set myself up as an expert on cancer which I am not, but I cannot remain silent when anecdotal information is offered to some who may be storing it and using it in a future diagnosis of cancer.

AND please read the last post on a thread and quote it before responding.

.

[senior citizen]

Everyone should do what is right for them and certainly follow their oncologist or surgeon's advice.....after doing their research. Get multiple opinions.

My memories are based on real live people that i knew, young ones at that........friends of my daughter and friends of our own.......people we sat with when they had their turbans on, watching their young elementary age children scamper around at birthday parties........being protected from what their 41 year old mom was going through. One had been a tall beautiful woman, professor at a great university, who had the charmed life, great husband, two kids, rural home with babbling brook.....everything she ever wanted.......struck down in the prime of life, treated at the best hospital in New England..........our daughter took her for her first wig and subsequent ones........our daughter's friend. She had that gene for breast cancer that targets younger women and is very aggressive. She had very potent chemo and radiation plus the breast reconstruction..........it got worse and the rest is history. She had a hospital bed in her living room..........as her hospital was about three hours away, a university teaching hospital.......so sad when I think of the happy moments. She faught it aggressively. All I can say is that there are some cancers that might be more mild than others.......or tumors that might be smaller and slower growing , than the young women we know who recently passed away after very aggressive chemo and radiation plus two or more surgeries, which do tend to turn a young family's world upside down. Another 40 year old passed much the same way, with the exact same treatment as the lady professor.....another intelligent woman.......with much to live for, a doting husband, no children......world traveler.
At the end...........when she could tolerate no more treatment, she just told her husband she wanted all the tubes pulled out.........she was tired of coming up and down the mountain into town for the treatments.......it had also spread to her brain, her adrenals, her bones and even her eyes.......very sad. Not just us, but everyone wonders if these two, in particular, might still be alive if they didn't have the harsh chemo and radiation treatments??????? Or, the breast reconstructions which does appear to spread some rogue cancer cells back into the blood stream. We have doctors and nurses as our friends. We've seen it all.....and heard it all. That said, everyone has to make their own ultimate decision. That said, we also know some elderly women who had breast cancer about 40 years ago when there was no chemo or radiation......they had simple surgery. Still alive. Perhaps it was a smaller tumor?

[graciegirl]

SENIOR.

CHEMO AND RADIATION CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE. I respectfully disagree with your statements, although at times true.

Unless and until you PERSONALLY have faced cancer or one of your children or your spouse has faced it and you know personally what is offered to you or to them, it is not a good idea to give controversial advice that could cause someone to consider a course of treatment that will more quickly kill them.

If nothing else, please consider the treatments given today as a means to buy time while other genetic treatment which will not be so harsh or dangerous are in the works.

Suzanne Somers may have good intentions too, but on the very serious issue of cancer diagnosis and treatment, we should consult the best oncologist our money can buy and follow their advice and leave theories and speculation to others.

Cancer is NO baby game and the treatment of it is not for lay people.

I know you mean well and many of us just love your advice on many subjects and the last thing I want to do is hurt you or set myself up as an expert on cancer which I am not, but I cannot remain silent when anecdotal information is offered to some who may be storing it and using it in a future diagnosis of cancer.

AND please read the last post on a thread and quote it before responding.

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[quirky3]

I am a cancer survivor. I recommend following gomoho's posted advice to prevent future cancer, and considering all treatments if you do already have cancer. Prevention is key to staying healthy, which makes that advice so helpful and important.

[senior citizen]

Many Americans overtreated to death - Health - Cancer | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/37907548/ns/health-cancer/t/many-americans-overtreated-death/)


Many Americans overtreated to death says NBC News..........(among others)

Perhaps this NBC News report might shed some light on similar things we’ve experienced among people we know.

Not all, but some or many even, are treated way too long............when a less aggressive treatment might give them a better quality of life.

Especially those with young children at home....such as those we have known and the woman in above article.

Also, our older friends who passed from lung cancer (non smokers by the way) were covered with black and blue spots from the chemo and radiation.

They could no longer walk, they could no longer knit sweaters (couldn’t feel their hands).....were on walkers........could hardly get out of bed or leave the house.

In the end, it spread to their brains and they could no longer communicate...........so logically, I cannot truthfully say that the extra year or two was worth it.

Perhaps had they been less aggressively treated, they might have had a better quality at “end of life”........but the general theme nowadays is to “fight it”.

Not all cancers are equal. Some are smaller tumors or less aggressive.....or perhaps the ones that if not found, might not even cause any trouble.

The ones we knew have all had aggressive tumors..........and were treated very aggressively , both in our hospital here and at Dartmouth in Hanover, New Hampshire.

Oncologists at our hospital have told friends of ours that they have to follow the hospital policy. Perhaps there is milder chemo......but again, the ones we know even had seizures from the treatment itself. It was a vicious cycle.

[senior citizen]

No one has more compassion than I do for a person's suffering.
I was not giving medical advice. Only expressing an opinion based on personal experiences with dear friends and dear friends of our own family members.
People we have been with near the end of their journey............and prior to the diagnosis........and seeing what the chemicals and radiation did to their bodies.
Again, not all cancers are the same. Everyone should abide by their own doctor's plan for their ultimate recovery. However, they can also do research on alternate , perhaps less harsh treatment.

P.S. And not to give Dartmouth a bad name.......as they are an excellent school and medical school, etc........but some cancers are fatal.
We also had friends who passed (the vegans and vegetarians that no one wants to hear about; the athletes)......who went to Sloan Kettering in N.Y.C. over and over again.
They still passed even though they tried to "fight it".......lung cancers.....again non smoking MEN who ate no junk food.

Not everyone is created equal and not all cancers are created equal. Perhaps those that survive, and we do know a few......had smaller tumors or less aggressive forms.
Best health to all..........

[graciegirl]

I am a cancer survivor. I recommend following gomoho's posted advice to prevent future cancer, and considering all treatments if you do already have cancer. Prevention is key to staying healthy, which makes that advice so helpful and important.

I want to point out that gomoho is someone I respect mightily but the article she printed is NOT from Johns Hopkins according to Snopes. Gomoho acknowledged that in a prior post.

[quirky3]

I want to point out that gomoho is someone I respect mightily but the article she printed is NOT from Johns Hopkins according to Snopes. Gomoho acknowledged that in a prior post.

To me that didn't diminish the value and helpfulness of the information at all.

[lightworker888]

It seems to me that this thread is going in 2 directions at the same time with paths that cross.

I don't think that anyone is trying to convince others of what to do, but each person is really passionate about the position s/he is taking based on life experience.

Those that have been successful with conventional treatment are usually grateful to still be here and many have modified their lifestyle to do their best to stay as long as they can. They are appreciative of their medical practitioners and feel that they "owe" their life to the interventions that were given.

My late husband died in 1978 at 37 of colon cancer and at that time we were told that diet was not a factor. He deliberately chose to follow his medical doctor rather than his chinese heritage and I knowing what I know now, he had many body messages that he ignored and at the time our diet was largely red meat in large quantity. He also had the "personality" that internalized everything so vibrationally he was supporting the disease. Genetically he was from a large family and all of the other members are long lived so I don't think that genetics was a major factor.

All that being said, I think that the other path that is being discussed is related to prevention and to make others aware of how our choices in food, thought and being, play into the big picture. It is well documented and eastern and ayurvedic medicine understand the connections. Western medicine is the new kid on the block and has lots of new and wonderful tools to add, but it does not have the long history as yet. Add to that the influence of Big Pharma on all the different aspects of our lives and it makes choice making that much more of a challenge.

I am happy that so many are still with us through their conventional cancer journey. I would love to see the day when all of us could know in our own being that the choices we are offered are truly in our best interest and we didn't have to rely so much on "experts" to tell us what is right for us. It has been said that we are our own worst enemy and that we also know what is best for us. It would be great to have such trust in self that we could tell the difference!

For anyone interested, I recommend Louise Hay, a metaphysicist, who works with those with AIDS now. Her understanding of the body and disease connection is of real value to anyone who is on this path. She had cervical cancer and recognized the vibrational and historical connection and was able to shift the internal soup. She has been teaching for many years and has written many books including, "You can Heal your Life". I keep a copy of Heal your Body by my bed and in the office and I find that the connections are always relevant.

I think that one of the biggest factors is belief in your decision and for those on a cancer journey I wish you strength and trust in yourself and the choices you make.

For those who are on the preventative path, there is TONS of info available to help you take active charge of your life. Remember that it is your life and you are the one living the consequences of the choices you make, so do your best to make an informed decision about your life choices. That's all that you can do and that is all you need to do. No decision is also a decision by default, but the consequences are still yours.

I'll get off the soap box now. Sorry for being so long winded, but I am passionate about encouraging anyone to be actively involved in the decision making process of their life choices. Be the driver of your own bus!

LW888

[senior citizen]

It seems to me that this thread is going in 2 directions at the same time with paths that cross.

I don't think that anyone is trying to convince others of what to do, but each person is really passionate about the position s/he is taking based on life experience.

Those that have been successful with conventional treatment are usually grateful to still be here and many have modified their lifestyle to do their best to stay as long as they can. They are appreciative of their medical practitioners and feel that they "owe" their life to the interventions that were given.

My late husband died in 1978 at 37 of colon cancer and at that time we were told that diet was not a factor. He deliberately chose to follow his medical doctor rather than his chinese heritage and I knowing what I know now, he had many body messages that he ignored and at the time our diet was largely red meat in large quantity. He also had the "personality" that internalized everything so vibrationally he was supporting the disease. Genetically he was from a large family and all of the other members are long lived so I don't think that genetics was a major factor.

All that being said, I think that the other path that is being discussed is related to prevention and to make others aware of how our choices in food, thought and being, play into the big picture. It is well documented and eastern and ayurvedic medicine understand the connections. Western medicine is the new kid on the block and has lots of new and wonderful tools to add, but it does not have the long history as yet. Add to that the influence of Big Pharma on all the different aspects of our lives and it makes choice making that much more of a challenge.

I am happy that so many are still with us through their conventional cancer journey. I would love to see the day when all of us could know in our own being that the choices we are offered are truly in our best interest and we didn't have to rely so much on "experts" to tell us what is right for us. It has been said that we are our own worst enemy and that we also know what is best for us. It would be great to have such trust in self that we could tell the difference!

For anyone interested, I recommend Louise Hay, a metaphysicist, who works with those with AIDS now. Her understanding of the body and disease connection is of real value to anyone who is on this path. She had cervical cancer and recognized the vibrational and historical connection and was able to shift the internal soup. She has been teaching for many years and has written many books including, "You can Heal your Life". I keep a copy of Heal your Body by my bed and in the office and I find that the connections are always relevant.

I think that one of the biggest factors is belief in your decision and for those on a cancer journey I wish you strength and trust in yourself and the choices you make.

For those who are on the preventative path, there is TONS of info available to help you take active charge of your life. Remember that it is your life and you are the one living the consequences of the choices you make, so do your best to make an informed decision about your life choices. That's all that you can do and that is all you need to do. No decision is also a decision by default, but the consequences are still yours.

I'll get off the soap box now. Sorry for being so long winded, but I am passionate about encouraging anyone to be actively involved in the decision making process of their life choices. Be the driver of your own bus!

LW888

""It is well documented and eastern and ayurvedic medicine understand the connections. Western medicine is the new kid on the block and has lots of new and wonderful tools to add, but it does not have the long history as yet. Add to that the influence of Big Pharma on all the different aspects of our lives and it makes choice making that much more of a challenge. ""

A very wise and well thought out post above..........as usual.
I am familiar with eastern and ayurvedic medicine and the mind body connection to boot..........

Don't get me started on the "Big Pharma" corporations......and we even had a Ph.d pharmacist in our family grouping who worked for one of the big companies in New Jersey..........Shering Plough Pharmaceuticals in New Jersey.........we'd have interesting discussion on chemicals, etc. as his background was as a chemist.........everyone surely must know the harmful side effects........and how they flip and flop once the deaths pile up from "side effects".........poisoning a body to get a cure?

I think the Asians were on to something long before western culture......

[Barefoot]

A lot of what is posted in this thread has merit. Always eat better and more healthy. Eat more fruits and vegetables. Limit your intake of red meat. Exercise more. Avoid medicines and treatments when practical and proven alternatives are available. Always explore and understand alternatives to suggested treatments and make the best decision for you.

However unless you are a qualified MD and have worked in the field of cancer treatment, please refrain from providing medical advice based on anecdotal or the "I heard or I know someone" information. Based on the demographics of the people reading this forum, I am sure there are people today making life decisions based on what their trained, experienced and qualified doctor is telling them. To create some false hope based on rumor and innuendo is not only harmful but criminal.

I know the flamers will start throwing arrows based on this post, but think first about how you would want treatment if you or your child or loved one was diagnosed with this horrible disease.

Chris: Good post, sensible approach.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

A lot of what is posted in this thread has merit. Always eat better and more healthy. Eat more fruits and vegetables. Limit your intake of red meat. Exercise more. Avoid medicines and treatments when practical and proven alternatives are available. Always explore and understand alternatives to suggested treatments and make the best decision for you.

However unless you are a qualified MD and have worked in the field of cancer treatment please refrain from providing medical advice based on anecdotal or the "I heard or I know someone" information. Based on the demographics of the people reading this forum I am sure there are people today making life decisions based on what their trained, experienced and qualified doctor is telling them. To create some false hope based on rumor and innuendo is not only harmful but criminal.

I know the flamers will start throwing arrows based on this post, but think first about how you would want treatment if you or your child or loved one was diagnosed with this horrible disease.

:bigbow::mademyday::bigbow: One way to tell if you're dealing with a professional qualified MD, a professional would not give medical advice on an internet forum without knowing that persons medical history.

[Villages PL]

It's been said that, "Conventional treatment can save your life!". Great, but what happened to the philosphy of: "We're all going to die sooner or later anyway, so why worry about it?" That's what I often heard when I advocated eating a healthy diet of natural whole foods. Many who are now all-concerned about people being mislead never spoke up.

So, which is it? We're all going to die sooner or later anyway, so why worry about it? Or, we should worry about it.

[Villages PL]

:bigbow::mademyday::bigbow: One way to tell if you're dealing with a professional qualified MD, a professional would not give medical advice on an internet forum without knowing that persons medical history.

Well, I can tell you that this is a "Medical and Health Discussion" board for the average person. So it's expected that you will hear lots of opinions. It's not a discussion board for MDs.

[gomoho]

People - RELAX - the post is titled "food for thought". There was never any advice or indication you should abandon your doctor and subscribe to this treatment. I for one appreciate all points of view and take from them what I feel is valuable. Geez - lighten up already. This is for sharing ideas, not medical advice and I would certainly hope we are all grown up enough to understand that. Stop already with the picking on each other.

[LatDoc]

Thanks for the excellent link Gracie......I hope everyone hears ya.
Nothing more to be said on the subject...all you can do is try and help.

[Villages PL]

I am a cancer survivor. I recommend following gomoho's posted advice to prevent future cancer, and considering all treatments if you do already have cancer. Prevention is key to staying healthy, which makes that advice so helpful and important.

Glad to hear you are a survivor, quirky. I too think there was a lot of good advice in the opening post, even though it may not have been presented perfectly. Prevention is, indeed, key to staying healthy.

I did a little research this morning about the immune system and I found what I think is the right story. The truth is somewhere in between the two confusing stories that were presented.

The immune system is extremely important in the beginning, when cancer is in its beginning stage. It's at that point that our immune system should nip it in the bud, so to speak. Once cancer becomes established and progresses, that's when it disguises itself so it's difficult for the immune system to recognize.

Supposedly, we have all had cancer many times and just never knew it because our immune system took care of it. What did it say in the Daily Sun today? I think it said that about 77% of all cancers occur after age 55. Isn't that interesting? It's interesting because it's well known that our immune system gradually gets weaker and weaker as we get older.

So it's more important than ever to eat a healthy diet as we get older and live a healthy lifestyle in general.

[quirky3]

I agree!

[lightworker888]

I found it interesting to learn that the majority of our immune response is in the gut. That is why it is so important to take the probiotics and digestive enzymes, especially as we age. You got it right VPL when you said that our immune system needs more support as we age, as we have years of toxic buildup that challenges us and uses up more and more of our energy to handle it. And we are finding out daily that our environment is continually getting more and more polluted with all the "progressive" products that keep getting marketed etc.
It really is amazing how resilient we all are, having lived this long!

LW888

[Barefoot]

So it's more important than ever to eat a healthy diet as we get older and live a healthy lifestyle in general.

I Totally agree VP. It's also important to live with joy and zest, do your favorite things, have lots of friends, try to help others whenever possible, smile a lot, and hug a dog.

[senior citizen]

It's been said that, "Conventional treatment can save your life!". Great, but what happened to the philosphy of: "We're all going to die sooner or later anyway, so why worry about it?" That's what I often heard when I advocated eating a healthy diet of natural whole foods. Many who are now all-concerned about people being mislead never spoke up.

So, which is it? We're all going to die sooner or later anyway, so why worry about it? Or, we should worry about it.


Why don't you research the life of George Beverly Shea?

We heard last evening on the t.v. news that he had passed. Age 104.
What a GORGEOUS singing voice. There was a short segment of Mr. Shea singing "How Great Thou Art"......just beautiful. I used to love to listen to him sing on the Billy Graham shows years ago.........

He probably didn't watch every morsel he ate........but led a life of faith.
Your faith can be in anything you wish it to be.......but we all have to believe in a higher power of some sort. It isn't food.....believe me.
I would say a peaceful heart and soul ranks high on the list........

http://news.msn.com/obits/george-beverly-shea-graham-crusade-singer-dies?ocid=ansnews11 (http://news.msn.com/obits/george-beverly-shea-graham-crusade-singer-dies?ocid=ansnews11)

[Villages PL]

Why don't you research the life of George Beverly Shea?

We heard last evening on the t.v. news that he had passed. Age 104.
What a GORGEOUS singing voice. There was a short segment of Mr. Shea singing "How Great Thou Art"......just beautiful. I used to love to listen to him sing on the Billy Graham shows years ago.........

He probably didn't watch every morsel he ate........but led a life of faith.
Your faith can be in anything you wish it to be.......but we all have to believe in a higher power of some sort. It isn't food.....believe me.
I would say a peaceful heart and soul ranks high on the list........

http://news.msn.com/obits/george-beverly-shea-graham-crusade-singer-dies?ocid=ansnews11 (http://news.msn.com/obits/george-beverly-shea-graham-crusade-singer-dies?ocid=ansnews11)

I went to a book signing about 3 or 4 years ago at All Booked Up. A man had written a book of religious poems and he was 106 years old. He was eager to show me how good his memory was so he asked me to follow along in the book as he recited one of his long poems. And he said he was in good health. He must be close to 110 by now.

I don't know how much religion helps but it certainly doesn't hurt. One book I read said that it's not so much the religious aspect as it is belonging to a support group. If you belong to a church, you have a support group. In place of that, one could belong to a club which would supposedly accomplish the same thing.

[senior citizen]

I went to a book signing about 3 or 4 years ago at All Booked Up. A man had written a book of religious poems and he was 106 years old. He was eager to show me how good his memory was so he asked me to follow along in the book as he recited one of his long poems. And he said he was in good health. He must be close to 110 by now.

I don't know how much religion helps but it certainly doesn't hurt. One book I read said that it's not so much the religious aspect as it is belonging to a support group. If you belong to a church, you have a support group. In place of that, one could belong to a club which would supposedly accomplish the same thing.

If he's still among the living at 110, God bless him. Interesting story.

I "hear you" re the support group as something similar was just said at the Boston service for the Boston Marathon victims, attended by President Obama and his wife, the Gov. of Massachusetts and the Mayor of Boston plus hundreds upon hundreds of people..........and a long list of clergy from various denominations, who all gave short but nice messages.

Cardinal Patrick O'Malley, the Capuchin Monk, mentioned how people rose above themselves when they ran to help the victims, etc..........everyone mentioned all the kindnesses performed by the residents of Boston.........it was "community coming together" in deed..........not just in words. Ditto re Obama's speach and Gov. Deval Patrick.

One can also just have a private faith in a higher power, however one perceives that to be......we obviously believe in God.....but believing does transcend one's personal ego...........none of us are perfect nor superior to others.

Kindness always works, as does compassion and in my opinion, quiet good deeds combined with little kindnesses does tend to make for a peaceful life.........and perhaps a long life. In other words, a restful soul.

Like having a good conscience. So many people desperately need a kind smile or gesture...........and it takes such little effort on our part.

I found this to be true when my mom was in the skilled nursing home.
When I could no longer communicate with her, I'd talk to the ones who still could speak.......and push them out into the garden......as often they had no visitors. Visiting or volunteering at a nursing home is very rewarding.

In a nutshell I had a crash course in geriatrics and the process of aging.
Not to mention the years preceding that end stage, when I had her at my home under my care.

On another thought, for those who want to live forever, sometimes "forever" isn't a pretty sight. Lots do live to very old age but are not in the tip top shape they might be in at age 70 or younger.

I don't dwell on how long I will live.......although I do have longevity on both sides, with no cancer.........just take it a day at a time.

When we get pictures of our grandbabies, which is often, that really makes us happy and is good for our immune system. Anyone who has ever seen a newborn infant and marveled at its perfection......KNOWS that God exists and that a higher power will oversee things.

Maybe when tragedy happens, it was their time to go on to something better......I truly do not believe death is anything to fear. Thus, we should all live life and not be so concerned with what we eat nor don't eat.

Live a little. Have another piece of that birthday cake.

If you can, reserve the book by Dr. Eben Alexander at your local library.
It's just one of many you could choose from.......but I think you would enjoy it. "Proof of Heaven". You don't have to BELIEVE it.
Just read it. He's very scientific minded. A neurosurgeon....

[graciegirl]

If he's still among the living at 110, God bless him. Interesting story.

I "hear you" re the support group as something similar was just said at the Boston service for the Boston Marathon victims, attended by President Obama and his wife, the Gov. of Massachusetts and the Mayor of Boston plus hundreds upon hundreds of people..........and a long list of clergy from various denominations, who all gave short but nice messages.

Cardinal Patrick O'Malley, the Capuchin Monk, mentioned how people rose above themselves when they ran to help the victims, etc..........everyone mentioned all the kindnesses performed by the residents of Boston.........it was "community coming together" in deed..........not just in words. Ditto re Obama's speach and Gov. Deval Patrick.

One can also just have a private faith in a higher power, however one perceives that to be......we obviously believe in God.....but believing does transcend one's personal ego...........none of us are perfect nor superior to others.

Kindness always works, as does compassion and in my opinion, quiet good deeds combined with little kindnesses does tend to make for a peaceful life.........and perhaps a long life. In other words, a restful soul.

Like having a good conscience. So many people desperately need a kind smile or gesture...........and it takes such little effort on our part.

I found this to be true when my mom was in the skilled nursing home.
When I could no longer communicate with her, I'd talk to the ones who still could speak.......and push them out into the garden......as often they had no visitors. Visiting or volunteering at a nursing home is very rewarding.

In a nutshell I had a crash course in geriatrics and the process of aging.
Not to mention the years preceding that end stage, when I had her at my home under my care.

On another thought, for those who want to live forever, sometimes "forever" isn't a pretty sight. Lots do live to very old age but are not in the tip top shape they might be in at age 70 or younger.

I don't dwell on how long I will live.......although I do have longevity on both sides, with no cancer.........just take it a day at a time.

When we get pictures of our grandbabies, which is often, that really makes us happy and is good for our immune system. Anyone who has ever seen a newborn infant and marveled at its perfection......KNOWS that God exists and that a higher power will oversee things.

Maybe when tragedy happens, it was their time to go on to something better......I truly do not believe death is anything to fear. Thus, we should all live life and not be so concerned with what we eat nor don't eat.

Live a little. Have another piece of that birthday cake.

If you can, reserve the book by Dr. Eben Alexander at your local library.
It's just one of many you could choose from.......but I think you would enjoy it. "Proof of Heaven". You don't have to BELIEVE it.
Just read it. He's very scientific minded. A neurosurgeon....

Senior.

You have such a good heart.

[Villages PL]

1) One can also just have a private faith in a higher power, however one perceives that to be......we obviously believe in God.....but believing does transcend one's personal ego...........none of us are perfect nor superior to others.

2) Kindness always works, as does compassion and in my opinion, quiet good deeds combined with little kindnesses does tend to make for a peaceful life.........and perhaps a long life. In other words, a restful soul.

3) Like having a good conscience. So many people desperately need a kind smile or gesture...........and it takes such little effort on our part.

4) Visiting or volunteering at a nursing home is very rewarding.

5) On another thought, for those who want to live forever, sometimes "forever" isn't a pretty sight. Lots do live to very old age but are not in the tip top shape they might be in at age 70 or younger.

6) I don't dwell on how long I will live.......although I do have longevity on both sides, with no cancer.........just take it a day at a time.

7) When we get pictures of our grandbabies, which is often, that really makes us happy and is good for our immune system. Anyone who has ever seen a newborn infant and marveled at its perfection......KNOWS that God exists and that a higher power will oversee things.

8) Maybe when tragedy happens, it was their time to go on to something better......I truly do not believe death is anything to fear. Thus, we should all live life and not be so concerned with what we eat nor don't eat.

9) Live a little. Have another piece of that birthday cake.

In the past, I sometimes suspected that the word "preaching" carried an off-color connotation. But now I see it as an encouragement to do better. "Preaching" is actually a good thing! Let's see if I got the essence of all the above points:

1) Faith in God is good, it transcends one's ego.

2) Be kind, compassionate and do good deeds.

3) Have a good conscience.

4) Be a volunteer.

5) Be careful what you wish for; living forever isn't always pretty.

6) Don't get ahead of yourself by thinking you will live forever; take it one day at a time.

7. Having a baby is good for your immune system and reinforces the existence of God.

8) Live your life and don't fear death; eat what you like.

9) Live a little; have another piece of cake.

I take it that you are preaching all of the above as a cancer prevention regimen. It's not exactly the same as what I would "preach" but I will defend your right to have your own opinions. :thumbup:

[Lindahun]

GracieGirl, Thank you for posting what you did. I don't think it's fair for others to make a cancer patient feel it's their lifestyle that they have this horrible disease. They have enough to cope with just trying to stay alive.

Linda

[senior citizen]

In the past, I sometimes suspected that the word "preaching" carried an off-color connotation. But now I see it as an encouragement to do better. "Preaching" is actually a good thing! Let's see if I got the essence of all the above points:

1) Faith in God is good, it transcends one's ego.

2) Be kind, compassionate and do good deeds.

3) Have a good conscience.

4) Be a volunteer.

5) Be careful what you wish for; living forever isn't always pretty.

6) Don't get ahead of yourself by thinking you will live forever; take it one day at a time.

7. Having a baby is good for your immune system and reinforces the existence of God.

8) Live your life and don't fear death; eat what you like.

9) Live a little; have another piece of cake.

I take it that you are preaching all of the above as a cancer prevention regimen. It's not exactly the same as what I would "preach" but I will defend your right to have your own opinions. :thumbup:


Those are your words.

I believe I was referring to longevity.......NOT cancer prevention.

I know I was referring to longevity and remembering my Italian grandmother, her children and my own mother........I was not talking about cancer (unless I mentioned that they never had it). Maybe I posted under the wrong post or perhaps the "conversation" got a bit convoluted.
It happens.

We have had dear dear friends and neighbors who passed from cancer and I was "always there" to comfort and support them.

Something has definitely been lost in the translation.

OH, I JUST SAW THE TITLE "FOOD FOR THOUGHT INSTEAD OF CANCER CELLS"...........definitely under the wrong heading.....belongs under LONGEVITY for sure.

[Villages PL]

Those are your words.

I believe I was referring to longevity.......NOT cancer prevention.

I know I was referring to longevity and remembering my Italian grandmother, her children and my own mother........I was not talking about cancer (unless I mentioned that they never had it). Maybe I posted under the wrong post or perhaps the "conversation" got a bit convoluted.
It happens.

We have had dear dear friends and neighbors who passed from cancer and I was "always there" to comfort and support them.

Something has definitely been lost in the translation.

OH, I JUST SAW THE TITLE "FOOD FOR THOUGHT INSTEAD OF CANCER CELLS"...........definitely under the wrong heading.....belongs under LONGEVITY for sure.

I was a little confused about it myself. So I looked at the thread heading and figured your post must be about cancer prevention. Now that you say it was about longevity, it makes more sense.