Is it OK to drive the speed limit in the left lane?

[JoeC1947]

Is it OK to drive the speed limit in the left lane on a road such as Morse Blvd?

I took some flak for driving the speed limit in the left lane and was unable to respond because the moderator closed the thread so I'll respond here.

I fail to understand why I was criticized. The speed limit is the speed limit and the left lane may be used to pass someone in the right lane that is traveling below the speed limit. The left lane IS NOT for exceeding the speed limit whether for passing or ANY other reason. If I see some nut behind me trying to pass while I'm obeying the law by going the speed limit then too darn bad for them. Why should I move for them? If you want to break the law then that's your choice, I am not obligated to enable this type of illegal behavior and I may even be doing you a favor. The road rage that was described is YOUR road rage, not mine. I experience more of a road calm when I see a nut behind me. So my question is this, Do you speeders feel that you own the left lane and law biding drivers going the EXACT speed limit should stay out of you way?

[JB in TV]

When driving the speed limit (or at any speed for that matter) in the left lane, and approached by a faster moving vehicle from behind, in the same lane, I move to the right, if safe, to allow that motorist to go by. It is not my duty to slow anyone down.

[rubicon]

Most four lanes advis slower vehicles to move to the right hand lane. On roads such as the florida turnpike the function of the left lanes is primarily to allow faster moving vehicles to pass. Those that pass and desire to resume to the nominal speed limit normally move to the right.

Vehicles on roads ssichas turnpike I-4, etc and travl at the speed limit in the left lane create a buildup of traffice cause some folks to take risky moves in order to bring away from the heavier traffic.

given that reality I personally would never stay in the left lane if my choice was to do the nominal speed limit.

Personal Best Regards:

[BettyCrocked]

Since you've already admitted that you do it to make others mad, why bother asking? If you stop doing it, you'll cease to get that "joy" that you get when others want to pass and can't.

[784caroline]

Is it OK to drive the speed limit in the left lane on a road such as Morse Blvd?

I took some flak for driving the speed limit in the left lane and was unable to respond because the moderator closed the thread so I'll respond here.

I fail to understand why I was criticized. The speed limit is the speed limit and the left lane may be used to pass someone in the right lane that is traveling below the speed limit. The left lane IS NOT for exceeding the speed limit whether for passing or ANY other reason. If I see some nut behind me trying to pass while I'm obeying the law by going the speed limit then too darn bad for them. Why should I move for them? If you want to break the law then that's your choice, I am not obligated to enable this type of illegal behavior and I may even be doing you a favor. The road rage that was described is YOUR road rage, not mine. I experience more of a road calm when I see a nut behind me. So my question is this, Do you speeders feel that you own the left lane and law biding drivers going the EXACT speed limit should stay out of you way?

Just by your post I can undersatnd why you may have been involved in a potential road rage incident....probably more than one. Take a look at your comments. I dont condone speeding but its not my job (or yours) to prevent it either. Didnt you ever hear of the phrase "stay right unless to pass" ?? For some reason I get the feeling you enjoy driviing in the left lane to try and prove a point. Why not just drive in the right lane and allow these "nuts" as you called them go on their way. You may not be looking for trouble but unless you change your tone and attitude, one day you may find more toruble than you can handle. Your much more likely to lose by inciting a road rage incident than trying to prevent one...and thats what you are "knowingly" doing.

[capecodbob]

Since you've already admitted that you do it to make others mad, why bother asking? If you stop doing it, you'll cease to get that "joy" that you get when others want to pass and can't.

Excellent post!!

[JoeC1947]

Since you've already admitted that you do it to make others mad, why bother asking? If you stop doing it, you'll cease to get that "joy" that you get when others want to pass and can't.

That's not what I said Miss Crocked. You should read more carefully. I didn't say I do it to make people mad, I cannot make people do or feel anything, that would be some power if I could really do that. I said I do it because I go the speed limit and if some nut wants to pass me then he may but not with my help. Why not simply OBEY THE LAW.

[The Flash]

Common courtesy. If someone wants to break the law, get out of the way and let them!

[cgalloway6]

From the Florida Driver's Handbook:
Traffic Lanes
"Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the right lanes except when overtaking and passing."
Expressway Driving

Drive in the right lane and pass on the left. If there are three lanes, use the right lane for lower speed driving, the left for passing. If you stay in the right lane, watch for cars entering the expressway. Adjust your speed or move into the center lane so they can enter safely.

[JoeC1947]

Just by your post I can undersatnd why you may have been involved in a potential road rage incident....probably more than one. Take a look at your comments. I dont condone speeding but its not my job (or yours) to prevent it either. Didnt you ever hear of the phrase "stay right unless to pass" ?? For some reason I get the feeling you enjoy driviing in the left lane to try and prove a point. Why not just drive in the right lane and allow these "nuts" as you called them go on their way. You may not be looking for trouble but unless you change your tone and attitude, one day you may find more toruble than you can handle. Your much more likely to lose by inciting a road rage incident than trying to prevent one...and thats what you are "knowingly" doing.

How can I incite a road rage incident if I'm going the speed limit? I stay in the left lane because I can and I like to stay on the inside of the roundabouts. As I said in the other thread, I used to be one of those nuts but I learned to calm down and enjoy life. I am not looking for trouble and if you think you can scare or threaten me then you are wrong. OBEY THE LAW!

[l2ridehd]

JoeC1947. People who do this intentionally cause accidents. I don't care what conclusion your rational thinking has brought you to, left lane to pass, right lane at all other times. Unless you wear a badge and are paid to do so, it is not your job, position or right to try and enforce the law.

[The Flash]

There are laws concerning roundabouts. You can't just drive in the inside lane because you like to.

[BettyCrocked]

"I have to admit, it brings me some joy to see some maniac behind me trying desperately to pass."
I think we all know why you do it.
The fact that you started a whole 'nother thread about it speaks volumes, also.

[golf2140]

Some folks need to get a life!!!!

[Jim 9922]

Prior discussions with my law enforcement friends/relatives indicate that at least in WI, IL, MI, KY GA,and OH you can be cited for impeding "existing" traffic flow if you are playing the slow poke left lane hog game. Driving is is not a right and your concern as a driver should be safety for all, not rules enforcement.:rant-rave:

Signs on the inter-states and many 4 lane highways instruct slower vehicles to "keep right".

To me it's all about safety, not road rage or to prove a point.

[JoeC1947]

Most four lanes advis slower vehicles to move to the right hand lane. On roads such as the florida turnpike the function of the left lanes is primarily to allow faster moving vehicles to pass. Those that pass and desire to resume to the nominal speed limit normally move to the right.

Vehicles on roads ssichas turnpike I-4, etc and travl at the speed limit in the left lane create a buildup of traffice cause some folks to take risky moves in order to bring away from the heavier traffic.

given that reality I personally would never stay in the left lane if my choice was to do the nominal speed limit.

Personal Best Regards:

On a highway such as the FTP I always stay in the right lane and go 70. On a multiple access road such as Morse Blvd I find it safer to stay in the left lane and travel the speed limit rather than take the chance of someone entering a roundabout too soon and causing an accident. Not that residents don't know the rules of a roundabout. It's called defensive driving.

[The Flash]

Joe, just curious. Do you get mad when other golf carts pass you also?

[JoeC1947]

Prior discussions with my law enforcement friends/relatives indicate that at least in WI, IL, MI, KY GA,and OH you can be cited for impeding "existing" traffic flow if you are playing the slow poke left lane hog game. Driving is is not a right and your concern as a driver should be safety for all, not rules enforcement.:rant-rave:

Signs on the inter-states and many 4 lane highways instruct slower vehicles to "keep right".

To me it's all about safety, not road rage or to prove a point.

Please re-read my comment. I am going the speed limit and not "playing the slow poke" as you put it. Morse blvd is not a four lane highway, it is a multi access road.

[JoeC1947]

Joe, just curious. Do you get mad when other golf carts pass you also?

I don't get mad, only dogs get mad. At least that's what Sister Timothy from Blessed Sacrament School used to say.

[JoeC1947]

Some folks need to get a life!!!!

Or save one.

[JoeC1947]

"I have to admit, it brings me some joy to see some maniac behind me trying desperately to pass."
I think we all know why you do it.
The fact that you started a whole 'nother thread about it speaks volumes, also.

Thank you Miss Crocked. As my mother used to say, That and a nickle will get you on the ferry.

[The Flash]

Sister Timothy gonna swat your knuckles with a ruler.

[JoeC1947]

There are laws concerning roundabouts. You can't just drive in the inside lane because you like to.

I can if I'm going straight or turning left. There are also laws against speeding.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How can I incite a road rage incident if I'm going the speed limit? I stay in the left lane because I can and I like to stay on the inside of the roundabouts. As I said in the other thread, I used to be one of those nuts but I learned to calm down and enjoy life. I am not looking for trouble and if you think you can scare or threaten me then you are wrong. OBEY THE LAW!

You can incite road rage by not staying to the right as Florida law requires. I think that most people have answered this post see right through you. You enjoy making people mad.

The law is clear, keep right except to pass. I was actually cited once for failing to keep right. I aggravated a state trooper in Massachusetts and he had nothing else to charge me with so he wrote me up for "failing to keep right".

As you said, the law is the law.

[JoeC1947]

Sister Timothy gonna swat your knuckles with a ruler.

Oh, she has, many times. We need more of that in today's schools. It turned me into a law abiding citizen.

[Mango47]

I will say again: Does the "reasonable man concept" and "common cutesy" ring a bell? Slower traffic should always use the right lane unless turning left, passing or entering a rounder. Mango

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

This thread reminds me of my former father in law. He would get in the left hand lane and pull right up on people's bumpers at high speed. He would curse them out for not getting out of his way. Then when someone came up behind him who wanted to pass, he would refuse to move over. "Why should I?"

H was of the belief that everyone that drives slower than him is an _________ and everyone that drives faster than him is a moron.

[JAV0108]

JoeC1947 JoeC1947
Veteran member

Quote:

How can I incite a road rage incident if I'm going the speed limit? I stay in the left lane because I can and I like to stay on the inside of the roundabouts. As I said in the other thread, I used to be one of those nuts but I learned to calm down and enjoy life. I am not looking for trouble and if you think you can scare or threaten me then you are wrong. OBEY THE LAW!
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Joe, you sound like the kind of person who is ALWAYS right even when your wrong. It is just plain common courtesy to move to the right lane if someone from behind needs to get around you, even if you are going the speed limit. Do you know that you could be holding someone up who may need medical attention or has some other emergency. Just play nice will you!

[JoeC1947]

You can incite road rage by not staying to the right as Florida law requires. I think that most people have answered this post see right through you. You enjoy making people mad.

The law is clear, keep right except to pass. I was actually cited once for failing to keep right. I aggravated a state trooper in Massachusetts and he had nothing else to charge me with so he wrote me up for "failing to keep right".

As you said, the law is the law.

You are making assumptions. On the contrary, I enjoy making people laugh. I was always the class clown. And if you want to aggravate a Mass. State Trooper then what were you thinking? Did you not pull over to let him pass?

[Bogie Shooter]

Is it OK to drive the speed limit in the left lane on a road such as Morse Blvd?

I took some flak for driving the speed limit in the left lane and was unable to respond because the moderator closed the thread so I'll respond here.

I fail to understand why I was criticized. The speed limit is the speed limit and the left lane may be used to pass someone in the right lane that is traveling below the speed limit. The left lane IS NOT for exceeding the speed limit whether for passing or ANY other reason. If I see some nut behind me trying to pass while I'm obeying the law by going the speed limit then too darn bad for them. Why should I move for them? If you want to break the law then that's your choice, I am not obligated to enable this type of illegal behavior and I may even be doing you a favor. The road rage that was described is YOUR road rage, not mine. I experience more of a road calm when I see a nut behind me. So my question is this, Do you speeders feel that you own the left lane and law biding drivers going the EXACT speed limit should stay out of you way?

Sorry, but your logic on this one is wrong and against the law.

Moderator will eventually close this thread as well.

[JoeC1947]

This thread reminds me of my former father in law. He would get in the left hand lane and pull right up on people's bumpers at high speed. He would curse them out for not getting out of his way. Then when someone came up behind him who wanted to pass, he would refuse to move over. "Why should I?"

H was of the belief that everyone that drives slower than him is an ******* and everyone that drives faster than him is a moron.

Which are you?

[JoeC1947]

Sorry, but your logic on this one is wrong and against the law.

Moderator will eventually close this thread as well.

You are right. The moderator will close this thread but not because of anything I said. It will be closed because of all of the rude comments directed at me. So typical. If you say anything that disrupts the village harmony no matter if it's that you don't speed and obey the law you get crucified. I still think that this is a friendly community but I'm not so sure about hypocrites who can't say something without being rude. What the heck is everybody's hurry anyway? This thread really proves two points.

[mickey100]

Is it OK to drive the speed limit in the left lane on a road such as Morse Blvd?

The answer is: No. According to Florida law, you should be in the right lane unless you're passing someone.

[JoeC1947]

JoeC1947 JoeC1947
Veteran member

Quote:

How can I incite a road rage incident if I'm going the speed limit? I stay in the left lane because I can and I like to stay on the inside of the roundabouts. As I said in the other thread, I used to be one of those nuts but I learned to calm down and enjoy life. I am not looking for trouble and if you think you can scare or threaten me then you are wrong. OBEY THE LAW!
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Joe, you sound like the kind of person who is ALWAYS right even when your wrong. It is just plain common courtesy to move to the right lane if someone from behind needs to get around you, even if you are going the speed limit. Do you know that you could be holding someone up who may need medical attention or has some other emergency. Just play nice will you!

I do play nice. As I said there are very few people don't pass me when I travel the speed limit. Do they all have a medical emergency? I don't think so.

[gomoho]

Joe - you still haven't addressed the fact the Florida law says to stay right unless passing. Please explain how you feel about this.

[Barefoot]

Is it OK to drive the speed limit in the left lane on a road such as Morse Blvd? Do you speeders feel that you own the left lane and law biding drivers going the EXACT speed limit should stay out of you way?

The majority of respondents feel you should stick to the right lane unless you are passing, and I agree.

[2AFRetSNCOs]

The answer is: No. According to Florida law, you should be in the right lane unless you're passing someone. I agree!

[JoeC1947]

Joe - you still haven't addressed the fact the Florida law says to stay right unless passing. Please explain how you feel about this.

Gomoho,

I think that given the situation here in the Villages it is safer to drive in the left lane if going straight or turning left. If someone wants to speed then go for it. Sooner or later they will be caught. I'm doing what I think is safe around here. I don't drive that way everywhere, just here. We're supposed to be retired or close to it so why the rush to speed? There are many people that have been here for years and still don't negotiate the roundabouts correctly. I'll take my chances that the police won't set up a sting operation to catch people like me and I will smile when I pass a radar check point that has a speeder pulled over. I realize that I have made even more enemy's on TOTV because of this thread but I will not be bullied by a bunch of hypocrits either.

[JoeC1947]

The majority of respondents feel you should stick to the right lane unless you are passing, and I agree.

Yeah, it looks that way. The others are probably afraid to respond for fear of being lynched.

[villages07]

From the Florida Driver's Handbook:
Traffic Lanes
"Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the right lanes except when overtaking and passing."
Expressway Driving

Drive in the right lane and pass on the left. If there are three lanes, use the right lane for lower speed driving, the left for passing. If you stay in the right lane, watch for cars entering the expressway. Adjust your speed or move into the center lane so they can enter safely.

Way, way back here CGalloway posted the most factual, simple reply and neither OP or anyone else picked up on it. Sounds pretty fundamental to me.

[BettyCrocked]

Bullied? Lmao! You got exactly what you wanted when you started this thread. The same way you get joy from trying to make people mad on the road.
Your time would probably be better spent trying to find ways to make yourself and others around you happy instead of dreaming up ways to **** them off. But hey, it's your life.

[Rickg]

Prior discussions with my law enforcement friends/relatives indicate that at least in WI, IL, MI, KY GA,and OH you can be cited for impeding "existing" traffic flow if you are playing the slow poke left lane hog game. Driving is is not a right and your concern as a driver should be safety for all, not rules enforcement.:rant-rave:

Signs on the inter-states and many 4 lane highways instruct slower vehicles to "keep right".

To me it's all about safety, not road rage or to prove a point.

Well said

[Tom Grooms]

You feel safer camping out in the left lane knowing you could put yourself and your passengers in a confrontation with a not so happy driver?

[JoeC1947]

Way, way back here CGalloway posted the most factual, simple reply and neither OP or anyone else picked up on it. Sounds pretty fundamental to me.

OK, I'll respond but it won't make any difference. Morse Blvd and Buena Vista are not highways they are streets. 466A is not a highway it is a state road, 441 is a highway. Straight from the Lady Lake Police Department. So now you can take that one out of your holsters and focus on what a bad man I am for simply following the law and NOT SPEEDING.

So let me ask this, if you see someones dog poop and the owner not pick it up would you tell him to, if you see kids riding on a golf course would you report them, if you observe someone in a hit and run would you try to get their plate number, if you see someone shoplift would you report them? I know these are extreme examples but who has the right tell me to enable a speeder? All moral issues aside, the speed limit is the speed limit.

[kittygilchrist]

As a commuter about 2 hours a day for years on interstates and back roads I believe the worst drivers are those who stubbornly apply rules and substitute them for using sensible judgement. Best drivers are those who facilitate the flow of traffic, regardless of who is going how fast or which lane one is in. Traffic is like a flow of water. If the water is swirling around you on both sides, or stacking up behind you, you are creating chaos, regardless of speed and rules. Rules are less important than safety, and that often means facilitating speeders rather than fighting to be right.

[JoeC1947]

You feel safer camping out in the left lane knowing you could put yourself and your passengers in a confrontation with a not so happy driver?

First, I'm not camping out. Second, how is it unsafe? Will they shoot me or throw dog poop at me. Why fix what's not broken. I haven't had or caused an accident in 25 years. Ya can't please everyone so ya... got to please yourself.

[JoeC1947]

Bullied? Lmao! You got exactly what you wanted when you started this thread. The same way you get joy from trying to make people mad on the road.
Your time would probably be better spent trying to find ways to make yourself and others around you happy instead of dreaming up ways to **** them off. But hey, it's your life.

Miss Crocked, If you tell me what you drive I'll pull off the road to let you speed by. Lord knows I wouldn't want you up my butt.

[JoeC1947]

As a commuter about 2 hours a day for years on interstates and back roads I believe the worst drivers are those who stubbornly apply rules and substitute them for using sensible judgement. Best drivers are those who facilitate the flow of traffic, regardless of who is going how fast or which lane one is in. Traffic is like a flow of water. If the water is swirling around you on both sides, or stacking up behind you, you are creating chaos, regardless of speed and rules. Rules are less important than safety, and that often means facilitating speeders rather than fighting to be right.

Hmmmmm, I was always taught that speed limits were set to facilitate safety. How safe would it be if everyone drove as fast as they want?

[JoeC1947]

Well said

What was so well said about it? I didn't see FL in his list of states and I'm not a "Slow Poke". I go the speed limit.

[Irish Rover]

JoeC - seek help.

[Mikeod]

"Yes, rules are rules but some are made to be broken. Live and let live, have some fun, let the children play."

Hmmmm. It appears that someone feels that rules are made to be broken as long as it's kids in a cart, but not for fellow villagers on the streets of TV. Makes one wonder if we should request a list of rules approved to be broken.

[dude175]

What was so well said about it? I didn't see FL in his list of states and I'm not a "Slow Poke". I go the speed limit.

Joe, I certainly hope I don't get behind you on any 2,4,6 lane road, you are the person that loves to be in control and slow down traffic. Left lane drivers are a nuisance and danger on the road. Please try driving through Atlanta on 75 and stay in the left lane and go the speed limit, especially in January or Feb. I wish Law Enforcement would enforce the laws that are on the books and start giving tickets to lefty's doing what you are doing. Please let me know what kind of car you have, so I can avoid you on the road at any cost, as you are creating a traffic hazard. Been my pet pev for many years. Thought about making sign and place in window for drivers like you "Slower traffic keep right". You are also blocking people that are going maybe 2-3 mph faster than you. Make sure you check out your speedometer for accuracy:rant-rave:

[JoeC1947]

Joe, I certainly hope I don't get behind you on any 2,4,6 lane road, you are the person that loves to be in control and slow down traffic. Left lane drivers are a nuisance and danger on the road. Please try driving through Atlanta on 75 and stay in the left lane and go the speed limit, especially in January or Feb. I wish Law Enforcement would enforce the laws that are on the books and start giving tickets to lefty's doing what you are doing. Please let me know what kind of car you have, so I can avoid you on the road at any cost, as you are creating a traffic hazard. Been my pet pev for many years. Thought about making sign and place in window for drivers like you "Slower traffic keep right". You are also blocking people that are going maybe 2-3 mph faster than you. Make sure you check out your speedometer for accuracy:rant-rave:

Dude,
We're not talking about I75 in Atlanta we're talking about a street in a retirement community where the speed limit is 35mph with multiple entrances with confusing roundabouts. My speedometer is accurate, it matches my GPS which was calibrated by NASA scientists. Try to keep your eye on the ball.

[JoeC1947]

"Yes, rules are rules but some are made to be broken. Live and let live, have some fun, let the children play."

Hmmmm. It appears that someone feels that rules are made to be broken as long as it's kids in a cart, but not for fellow villagers on the streets of TV. Makes one wonder if we should request a list of rules approved to be broken.

Come on Mike, is that the best you've got?

[JoeC1947]

JoeC - seek help.

I did, that's why I called the Lady Lake Police department. Try it.

[The Flash]

Joe, I get where you are coming from and I believe you asked a sincere question. But, I would say after 53 posts, the answer to your question is NO.

[njbchbum]

I did, that's why I called the Lady Lake Police department. Try it.

why not give the sumter county sheriff a call and ask them the same question - just the way you asked it of the lady lake police dept?

[Warren Kiefer]

Is it OK to drive the speed limit in the left lane on a road such as Morse Blvd?

I took some flak for driving the speed limit in the left lane and was unable to respond because the moderator closed the thread so I'll respond here.

I fail to understand why I was criticized. The speed limit is the speed limit and the left lane may be used to pass someone in the right lane that is traveling below the speed limit. The left lane IS NOT for exceeding the speed limit whether for passing or ANY other reason. If I see some nut behind me trying to pass while I'm obeying the law by going the speed limit then too darn bad for them. Why should I move for them? If you want to break the law then that's your choice, I am not obligated to enable this type of illegal behavior and I may even be doing you a favor. The road rage that was described is YOUR road rage, not mine. I experience more of a road calm when I see a nut behind me. So my question is this, Do you speeders feel that you own the left lane and law biding drivers going the EXACT speed limit should stay out of you way?

No it is not OK for anyone to hang in the left lane at the speed limit. The left lanes are primarily for passing and since most would have to accelerate beyond the speed limit to pass any vehicle, you sitting exactly on the speed limit would put you in the position of impeding traffic. In the past couple of years, new traffis rules have been introduced, one that I support is " any vehicle remaining in the passing lane without the need to pass or making a left turn will be in violation" Also as I read your post, it seems you jhave designated yourself to be a volunteer traffic policeman. This is not your responsibility.

[dude175]

Dude,
We're not talking about I75 in Atlanta we're talking about a street in a retirement community where the speed limit is 35mph with multiple entrances with confusing roundabouts. My speedometer is accurate, it matches my GPS which was calibrated by NASA scientists. Try to keep your eye on the ball.

Joe, I see you just can't be told you are wrong, why not have a poll and see how many people agree with you. By the way, you never answered, what kind of car do you drive? Was your speedometer really calibrated by NASA scientists? WOW.:rolleyes:

[Billyworld]

I was taught to never try to teach a pig to dance. The pig will never learn how to dance and all you did was "Irritate the pig"!:swear::beer3:

[gomoho]

Okay, I know I am putting myself up for a sacrifice, but I kind of now understand where Joe is coming from - sort of. When I am traveling south on Morse headed to O'dell Circle I do feel more comfortable in the left lane because I know I have to travel the circle to exit properly. Today I had someone on my tail so I moved over to let him pass, but then had to quickly get over to the left to complete my round-a-bout exit properly - it did create a problem. So maybe Joe if you could just accomodate people that want to speed while still allowing yourself enough time to get over for a proper round-a-bout exit people would stop beating you up. Just sayin!!!:sigh:

[Grannynance]

OK Joe you got a raise out of everyone guess that was your intent. Go on and drive where
You please I have lots of time and at some point I will get around you.

[casita37]

Joe may well be a "veteran member", with well over 800 posts (about 20, or so, on this thread), but the original post, and subsequent responses, have TROLL written all over them. Appears Joe enjoys stirring things up on, and off, the road! LOL

[Moderator]

Question asked and answered. The thread is now closed.

Moderator