your grand daughters!!

[Heartnsoul]

Ladies do you realize your 15 yr old granddaughters will be able to buy a "morning after pill" probably in their drugstores (without parental consent) next to the bubble gum and batteries and I can't even buy a box of Claritin (for my allergies) as a senior without showing proof of my age??

What is happening to our "morals" as a society?? Get your children involved and tell them its not OK. they need to voice their opinions. 15 yr old children should NOT be having sex.

[BarryRX]

Ladies do you realize your 15 yr old granddaughters will be able to buy a "morning after pill" probably in their drugstores (without parental consent) next to the bubble gum and batteries and I can't even buy a box of Claritin (for my allergies) as a senior without showing proof of my age??

What is happening to our "morals" as a society?? Get your children involved and tell them its not OK. they need to voice their opinions. 15 yr old children should NOT be having sex.

If they're buying the morning after pill, that horse has already left the barn!

[paulandjean]

Leave this up to the parents to guide,grandparents should pause and step back from this one.

[ssmith]

....it is a sad commentary about our society for sure. Also sad how little support you have gotten on this one.

When I worked as a phone nurse at OB/Gyn, this pill was an rx, I would get the calls and let someone else take care of it.

[OnTrack]

Ladies do you realize your 15 yr old granddaughters will be able to buy a "morning after pill" probably in their drugstores (without parental consent) next to the bubble gum and batteries and I can't even buy a box of Claritin (for my allergies) as a senior without showing proof of my age??

What is happening to our "morals" as a society?? Get your children involved and tell them its not OK. they need to voice their opinions. 15 yr old children should NOT be having sex.

While I too think 15 is too young to have sex, the "abstinence only" idea is a dismal failure.

Just ask one of its strongest proponents, Sarah Palin, how that worked out in her own family. :oops:

As to the pill, I see it as being a better alternative to a 15 year old ruining her life having a child.... or getting an abortion.

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[stuckinparadise]

I agree with OnTrack. As parents it is OUR responsible to teach our children, not just girls, about sex and hope they make the right choices. Just because the Plan B pill is available doesn't necessarily mean they will start having sex.

[OnTrack]

I agree with OnTrack. As parents it is OUR responsible to teach our children, not just girls, about sex and hope they make the right choices. Just because the Plan B pill is available doesn't necessarily mean they will start having sex.

Excellent point about........."not just girls.". :thumbup:

I have both and my sons also had no doubt as to where I stood, on their role and the consequences/responsibility on their parts.

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[senior citizen]

While I too think 15 is too young to have sex, the "abstinence only" idea is a dismal failure.

Just ask one of its strongest proponents, Sarah Palin, how that worked out in her own family. :oops:

As to the pill, I see it as being a better alternative to a 15 year old ruining her life having a child.... or getting an abortion.

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I agree with your first sentence.....and of course your last sentence....
Not fond of Sarah Palin at all.

Our "kids" now 45 and 42 were raised in the more old fashioned way by us and luckily things worked out just fine.........no surprises as teens, in fact they both were open with me when at college age they met someone, etc. HOWEVER, we as parents were shocked when Planned Parenthood muscled in on our high school kids back in the early 1980's I guess....actually Jr. High (middle school) with explicit sex education about how to put a condom on a banana, etc.........all the parents were upset.

Now, we hear from our peers and our adult children.........that most teen girls in high school, about age 16, are encouraged to go on birth control pills.

Not teaching abstinance up here, that's for sure.

I felt the same way the original poster felt when I read about the morning after pill for the kids............sad commentary on today's society.

Funny, but no one really gave any of us "sex education" in the late 1950's or the early 1960's and yet we just "knew" to wait..........of course, we all got married young, had our families young.........and most of us have survived intact with a nice family of adult children, their spouses and wonderful grandchildren as our reward...........but that was a different era.

[graciegirl]

All of us reading this could never agree.

I love my grandchildren and being a human know how strong emotions can be and how strong the sex urge is and when I look at a stadium full of people I know how each of them was conceived.

I try very hard to teach the principals that I believe in and also deal with the reality of life and the way normal people behave ...and I talk to them and talk to them and talk to them because they like me and care what I think.

I don't want any subject to be off limits and I started talking to them about sex very early as did their parents. I know that drinking and driving, having sex unprotected and not taking care of money responsibly can really derail your life SUBSTANTIALLY and unalterably in some cases.

So I concentrated on those subjects.

Although right is right and wrong is wrong the world has changed quite a bit since we were children and our grandchildren are living in a changed world.

No matter how much we want to trust in our own decision making and that of our children, hormones are working hard to keep the world populated with humans.

I think this is something that we will never agree on, all of us. We have to do and think and teach what we think is right.

[senior citizen]

All of us reading this could never agree.

I love my grandchildren and being a human know how strong emotions can be and how strong the sex urge is and when I look at a stadium full of people I know how each of them was conceived.

I try very hard to teach the principals that I believe in and also deal with the reality of life and the way normal people behave ...and I talk to them and talk to them and talk to them because they like me and care what I think.

I don't want any subject to be off limits and I started talking to them about sex very early as did their parents. I know that drinking and driving, having sex unprotected and not taking care of money responsibly can really derail your life SUBSTANTIALLY and unalterably in some cases.

So I concentrated on those subjects.

Although right is right and wrong is wrong the world has changed quite a bit since we were children and our grandchildren are living in a changed world.

No matter how much we want to trust in our own decision making and that of our children, hormones are working hard to keep the world populated with humans.

I think this is something that we will never agree on, all of us. We have to do and think and teach what we think is right.

I don't see it as an explosive subject at all...........it's just that times have changed since we were teenagers and young adults in the 1960's.

My parents, who would be well over 100 years old now, were they still living........never discussed sex with us; neither did my husband's mom.
She'd just tell him to kneel down and say his prayers (when he got back from a date with me).

Now, our daughter who was born in 1968 after three years of marriage, was a very precocious child. I still remember when a local doctor in town was giving a "talk" on how to teach the little ones about sex.......it was held at the Episcopalian church in town and all of us young parents went. Our son was almost about to be born; so this was 1971. Daughter was three years old. Son to arrive very soon..........

The doctor advised all of us to tell the children from the youngest age (his own kids were the same age as ours)........the facts about how babies are conceived, how they are born......etc. He said we should all use the proper words.

So we did........we went home and told her everything........

Next day we had all the neighbors calling us, laughing.......saying she had gone around and chatted up the folks telling them just how baby had gotten into mommy and how he was going to exit.........she didn't know he was a boy yet as there were no tests for sex determination in 1971....but she got it down pat.......and was very natural about it.

She's a great mom now to three grandchildren of ours..........

We just used some "advice" from experts......but mostly our own common sense. We were a tight knit family unit (as all our relatives lived out of state) so we spent a lot of time nurturing our brood.....and it paid off.

We never had nannies or mothers helpers like they do today.
I took my job as mom very seriously..........and it all turned out well.

P.S. I'll say it again as I've said it before...........t.v. was not violent like it is today.......they lived in a safe little town and we had peaceful lives with no commuting.
Their era was THE WALTONS and LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE.............it was a simpler lifestyle when they were children and teens..........it's different now.

[senior citizen]

p.s. to above post.
I'd think the highest compliment our kids paid to us is when they each sent us a letter when they were each exactly juniors in college. They had lived away at the university since age 17..........both of them, in different wording........thanked us for all we had done for them.......for "staying together" (as many of their friends' parents were split up)......for having a happy home life for them.......just the little things they mentioned.......and for supporting their dreams........it meant a lot to me.

They did the same thing again, after they had graduated from grad school with their masters........and were getting married.........thanked us and said that what they were at that moment was because of us.........it doesn't get any more rewarding than that.

Now both daughter and son have families of their own and are raising very active , intelligent and friendly children...........some say it "takes a village" but I think a mom and a dad together mean a lot.

Our son , when in high school, would come to me (not his dad) to discuss girls he was dating.......etc., etc..........I had an easy rapport with both daughter and son.
Re sex or anything else.

[xNYer]

This emotional reaction to the availability of the morning after pill appears to be unrelated to its actual use. Obviously the pill would only be used after intercourse occurred. The pill will be used to prevent pregnancy. It does not encourage sexual activity, contraception is already widely available. There are many reasons to use protection, pregancy being only one.

[Parker]

Frankly, you can teach your kids til your blue in the face, but they are immersed in a sexual culture that speaks so loudly you may find your voice drowned out. I can't understand how we adults have allowed all facets of media to overwhelm our children with an avalanche of smut. Then we all complain about our promiscuous youth and their lack of standards.

[Heartnsoul]

and we allow the classes being brought into the schools. Do you know in Lake county now they will have a "gay-straight" club?? What next, the condom club.?? parents should be involved in what is going on. And having a morning after pill is just encouraging them to have sex. 15 is still a baby. Babies should NOT be having babies.

[paulandjean]

and we allow the classes being brought into the schools. Do you know in Lake county now they will have a "gay-straight" club?? What next, the condom club.?? parents should be involved in what is going on. And having a morning after pill is just encouraging them to have sex. 15 is still a baby. Babies should NOT be having babies.

Which one is it that Lake County schools have ? "A Gay-Straight Club?

[Patty55]

and we allow the classes being brought into the schools. Do you know in Lake county now they will have a "gay-straight" club?? What next, the condom club.?? parents should be involved in what is going on. And having a morning after pill is just encouraging them to have sex. 15 is still a baby. Babies should NOT be having babies.

Whoa, I'd say that chances are the gay club and the condom club really don't need the morning after pill.

Do you really think the morning after pill encourages sexual behavior?

[OnTrack]

and we allow the classes being brought into the schools. Do you know in Lake county now they will have a "gay-straight" club?? What next, the condom club.?? parents should be involved in what is going on. And having a morning after pill is just encouraging them to have sex. 15 is still a baby. Babies should NOT be having babies.

"Gay-straight" clubs, are typically founded to try and eliminate and work through the ignorance, hate and prejudice...shown toward gays.

What's wrong with that?

As for 15 year olds being "baby's," this country alone has a history of saying...that they are old enough to marry.

I'm personally glad that's no longer the case (in some states it can still happen when both the parents and court allows it), but it used to be very common.

Which is pretty hypocritical, when you listen to the "things were always better in the good old days"....crowd.

Jes sayin'. :shrug:

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[OnTrack]

Whoa, I'd say that chances are the gay club and the condom club really don't need the morning after pill.

OK.....now THAT was funny! :a20:

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[gustavo]

Ladies do you realize your 15 yr old granddaughters will be able to buy a "morning after pill" probably in their drugstores (without parental consent) next to the bubble gum and batteries and I can't even buy a box of Claritin (for my allergies) as a senior without showing proof of my age??

What is happening to our "morals" as a society?? Get your children involved and tell them its not OK. they need to voice their opinions. 15 yr old children should NOT be having sex.

That's just your opinion. I'm sure there are other people on the planet who disagree.

[wendyquat]

Ladies do you realize your 15 yr old granddaughters will be able to buy a "morning after pill" probably in their drugstores (without parental consent) next to the bubble gum and batteries and I can't even buy a box of Claritin (for my allergies) as a senior without showing proof of my age??

What is happening to our "morals" as a society?? Get your children involved and tell them its not OK. they need to voice their opinions. 15 yr old children should NOT be having sex.

Call me old fashioned but I'm with you Heartnsoul! Why use condoms when you can take a pill? Anyone consider the Aids risk here? 15 year olds do NOT have the mental capacity to make these kinds of decisions!

[DougB]

Which one is it that Lake County schools have ? "A Gay-Straight Club?

Not that I care one way or another, but just for informational purpose:

Just one day after being sued by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Lake County School Board has consented to allow a Gay-Straight Alliance at Carver Middle School, in Leesburg

[Barefoot]

This emotional reaction to the availability of the morning after pill appears to be unrelated to its actual use. Obviously the pill would only be used after intercourse occurred. The pill will be used to prevent pregnancy. It does not encourage sexual activity, contraception is already widely available. There are many reasons to use protection, pregancy being only one.

I just love this unemotional response. Of course none of us wants to encourage teenage sex, but it happens. It happened 60 years ago and it happens today.

[KatieDidNot]

As a gal who is part of the "Little House on the Prairie Generation", I have just finished raising two young men. It is not easy. It is a different World.

I worried about Aids and Hepatitis. I had to ensure they were prepared to protect themselves. I frequently told them that sex so early was unacceptable, but I was also brutally aware that they were going to do it anyway. Therefore I preached continuously about protection...and it paid off. I for one am happy condoms are available to our children because pregnancy was the least of my concern, it was a disease that would significantly shorten their life.

I am also happy about The Plan B Pill. The reasons were eloquently stated in other posts.

I had to worry about bullying, because fights are not handled fist-to-cuffs anymore. They are handled with guns and knives.

I had to worry about suicides and car crashes.

I had to worry about supplementing their education so they could get into good colleges.

Drugs? Wow...another thread entirely. Alcohol too.

Schools are getting involved because some parents just don't. The kids today need to learn tolerance, understanding and acceptance of others. IMHO, that is the only way that "their society" will move forward. All this hate stuff is getting old, and it is crippling us. They have challenges that we have never faced and children are growing up a lot faster. They are much more sophisticated and technically savvy and they were raised by a generation that was the first that had to incorporate technical skills in their life. I will say, they are not as respectful, but I think every generation says that though...

If I am ever a Grandma, I am going to be the one that makes yummy baked goods, send them home to their mom and dad with a nice sugar high, and take them to fun places. I am going to support the parents (my kids) with wisdom, if they ask for it, but overall, I think they are in a better position to raise their kids the way they deem best.

The World is rapidly changing, our future generations are going to have to change to survive. For me, I am just going to love them, hope I provided them the right tools necessary to succeed in life and be a good citizen.

Katie

[senior citizen]

As a gal who is part of the "Little House on the Prairie Generation", I have just finished raising two young men. It is not easy. It is a different World.

I worried about Aids and Hepatitis. I had to ensure they were prepared to protect themselves. I frequently told them that sex so early was unacceptable, but I was also brutally aware that they were going to do it anyway. Therefore I preached continuously about protection...and it paid off. I for one am happy condoms are available to our children because pregnancy was the least of my concern, it was a disease that would significantly shorten their life.

I am also happy about The Plan B Pill. The reasons were eloquently stated in other posts.

I had to worry about bullying, because fights are not handled fist-to-cuffs anymore. They are handled with guns and knives.

I had to worry about suicides and car crashes.

I had to worry about supplementing their education so they could get into good colleges.

Drugs? Wow...another thread entirely. Alcohol too.

Schools are getting involved because some parents just don't. The kids today need to learn tolerance, understanding and acceptance of others. IMHO, that is the only way that "their society" will move forward. All this hate stuff is getting old, and it is crippling us. They have challenges that we have never faced and children are growing up a lot faster. They are much more sophisticated and technically savvy and they were raised by a generation that was the first that had to incorporate technical skills in their life. I will say, they are not as respectful, but I think every generation says that though...

If I am ever a Grandma, I am going to be the one that makes yummy baked goods, send them home to their mom and dad with a nice sugar high, and take them to fun places. I am going to support the parents (my kids) with wisdom, if they ask for it, but overall, I think they are in a better position to raise their kids the way they deem best.

The World is rapidly changing, our future generations are going to have to change to survive. For me, I am just going to love them, hope I provided them the right tools necessary to succeed in life and be a good citizen.

Katie

Your last two paragraphs echo exactly what we all had to do..........as it is a changing world. Words of wisdom for sure.

Our daughter didn't adopt her first child until age 30, after trying for years to conceive....married at age 25.

Her second two babies, natural births, followed after we welcomed our "first" who is now 19. So, the stork was just waiting in the wings.........but we love them all equally..........now our son has two as well.......ditto. We have a range of ages......

I've never been asked for advice and never gave advice as I realized from EARLY ON.......they had totally different "ideas" as far as giving birth (midwifes) (home births).......to feeding , etc., etc.........so best to not say anything as far as what we did in the olden days.....the covered wagon days. We are fortunate in that our two adult kids are intelligent and thoughtful and everything seems to be going well with their child rearing......in a changing world. Whereas, we have cousins who are a few years younger than us who still think their grandkids should be raised like they raised their own in the early 1980's.........not going to happen.

Things changed so quickly from when I had mine in 1968 and 1971....to shortly afterward......that each of my friends has a totally different experience.........as do their daughters TODAY. Ditto for what to feed or not feed the little ones........how clean to keep them, etc.

The children are all being raised more naturally nowadays......not every hair has to be in place......the fru fru frilly dresses of the 60s are GONE.

But the kids are happy, bright and loving..........this is all that's important in the greater scheme of things. And super bright in high technology, love books, scientific minded..........which will be a plus through school.

I trust they will advise their own children on how to be loving partners when the "time is right" and not too soon........the consequences of rushing into something at a young age, etc........finishing school (college), etc. in order to get a good job, etc.........

But, our duties.......now that we are grandparents........is just to enjoy them.......NOT to preach to our adult kids or our grandchildren. We are lucky to have a good rapport with the grandchildren and they do confide in us.......we just listen.......we are just "there".....the young people today are more wise than most realize......

YOU SAID IT BEST: (SEE BELOW)....

""If I am ever a Grandma, I am going to be the one that makes yummy baked goods, send them home to their mom and dad with a nice sugar high, and take them to fun places. I am going to support the parents (my kids) with wisdom, if they ask for it, but overall, I think they are in a better position to raise their kids the way they deem best.

The World is rapidly changing, our future generations are going to have to change to survive. For me, I am just going to love them, hope I provided them the right tools necessary to succeed in life and be a good citizen. ""

[OnTrack]

As a gal who is part of the "Little House on the Prairie Generation", I have just finished raising two young men. It is not easy. It is a different World.

I worried about Aids and Hepatitis. I had to ensure they were prepared to protect themselves. I frequently told them that sex so early was unacceptable, but I was also brutally aware that they were going to do it anyway. Therefore I preached continuously about protection...and it paid off. I for one am happy condoms are available to our children because pregnancy was the least of my concern, it was a disease that would significantly shorten their life.

I am also happy about The Plan B Pill. The reasons were eloquently stated in other posts.

I had to worry about bullying, because fights are not handled fist-to-cuffs anymore. They are handled with guns and knives.

I had to worry about suicides and car crashes.

I had to worry about supplementing their education so they could get into good colleges.

Drugs? Wow...another thread entirely. Alcohol too.

Schools are getting involved because some parents just don't. The kids today need to learn tolerance, understanding and acceptance of others. IMHO, that is the only way that "their society" will move forward. All this hate stuff is getting old, and it is crippling us. They have challenges that we have never faced and children are growing up a lot faster. They are much more sophisticated and technically savvy and they were raised by a generation that was the first that had to incorporate technical skills in their life. I will say, they are not as respectful, but I think every generation says that though...

If I am ever a Grandma, I am going to be the one that makes yummy baked goods, send them home to their mom and dad with a nice sugar high, and take them to fun places. I am going to support the parents (my kids) with wisdom, if they ask for it, but overall, I think they are in a better position to raise their kids the way they deem best.

The World is rapidly changing, our future generations are going to have to change to survive. For me, I am just going to love them, hope I provided them the right tools necessary to succeed in life and be a good citizen.

Katie

Excellent!! :agree:

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[senior citizen]

I just love this unemotional response. Of course none of us wants to encourage teenage sex, but it happens. It happened 60 years ago and it happens today.

Yes, it did happen 60 years ago, but when I think back to our dating period between 1962 to 1965 when we married.........I can't think of one of our friends who got pregnant.....or had to get married in their teens.

I'm sure the biological urges were there......it just was a different era and the young were not bombarded with so much explicit sex in movies, book, television, the internet, etc. No one we knew went to "clubs" in our teens.

We went to the movies or to the beach, etc. or to a lake and then home.

Again, we all married YOUNG. And at the expense of really sounding old, NONE OF US LIVED outside our parents home until our WEDDING DAY.
The t.v. shows of the 70s and thereafter started showing friends living together as roomies.......and the rest is history.

When we were raising teenagers, all of their friends were always welcome into our home........and our great room became the place where they would bring their friends, watch movies on t.v. , play the video games....or swim in our pool in good weather.........help themselves to the Haagen Daz or Ben and Jerry's ice cream in the kitchen freezer.....etc.

I always felt I'd rather have them AT HOME.......(even if we were sleeping) then out getting hit by a drunken driver..........they always were self disciplined and I must say that my kids had nice friends from good families..........

But, in all fairness to girls and this morning after pill..........let me tell you, my son as a senior in high school.........had to fend off quite a few aggressive girl friends ..........so the late 80's there was a "sea change" in what the girls wanted..........vs. what the boys wanted........he always confided in me.............both kids used to say, especially after they were away in college...........that they wanted to wait until they found someone so they could have a good marriage like we did (meaning Dad and I.)

So, I know preaching does not work. Being there for them does work.
Showing by example what a loving steady marriage should be like, works.

We just felt that the schools were intruding on old fashioned parents right to guide their own kids........by letting Planned Parenthood into the schools....
...in Jr. High/Middle School. Our kids were not that sophisticated as they are TODAY in middle school.

[paulandjean]

Which one is it that Lake County schools have ? "A Gay-Straight Club?

I was asking? You state "Gay-Straight Club" Which one do they have? Seems like two opposites.

[Heartnsoul]

it's the gay-straight club?? are you gay or straight?? you know as it is sooo cool to be gay! why not encourage it to our children? why not confuse them and make them feel if they aren't gay maybe something is wrong with them?? Do you know in Calif teachers (starting with kindergarten) are being ENCOURAGED to teach that homosexuality, bi-sexuality, and even trans-sexuality - is normal behavior?? so next we will have the bi club and on and on?? when does it stop?? when parents get involved and say enough is enough. Not likely to happen. Today's mentality is "if it feels good, do it" We've hit rock bottom as a society. It's very sad but it's true.

[senior citizen]

Frankly, you can teach your kids til your blue in the face, but they are immersed in a sexual culture that speaks so loudly you may find your voice drowned out. I can't understand how we adults have allowed all facets of media to overwhelm our children with an avalanche of smut. Then we all complain about our promiscuous youth and their lack of standards.


Those of us of the older generation, born in 1945, have seen how television has gone from family type shows where the entire generation of families could watch together in one room.............to where it stands today.

Our daughter never let her children watch television.....except for some old channel from the 1950's, etc. 1960's, etc.........and PBS .

[paulandjean]

[QUOTE=senior citizen;671628]Yes, it did happen 60 years ago, but when I think back to our dating period between 1962 to 1965 when we married.........I can't think of one of our friends who got pregnant.....or had to get married in their teens.

I'm sure the biological urges were there......it just was a different era and the young were not bombarded with so much explicit sex in movies, book, television, the internet, etc. No one we knew went to "clubs" in our teens.

We went to the movies or to the beach, etc. or to a lake and then home.

Again, we all married YOUNG. And at the expense of really sounding old, NONE OF US LIVED outside our parents home until our WEDDING DAY.
The t.v. shows of the 70s and thereafter started showing friends living together as roomies.......and the rest is history.

When we were raising teenagers, all of their friends were always welcome into our home........and our great room became the place where they would bring their friends, watch movies on t.v. , play the video games....or swim in our pool in good weather.........help themselves to the Haagen Daz or Ben and Jerry's ice cream in the kitchen freezer.....etc.

I always felt I'd rather have them AT HOME.......(even if we were sleeping) then out getting hit by a drunken driver..........they always were self disciplined and I must say that my kids had nice friends from good families..........

But, in all fairness to girls and this morning after pill..........let me tell you, my son as a senior in high school.........had to fend off quite a few aggressive girl friends ..........so the late 80's there was a "sea change" in what the girls wanted..........vs. what the boys wanted........he always confided in me.............both kids used to say, especially after they were away in college...........that they wanted to wait until they found someone so they could have a good marriage like we did (meaning Dad and I.)

So, I know preaching does not work. Being there for them does work.
Showing by example what a loving steady marriage should be like, works.

We just felt that the schools were intruding on old fashioned parents right to guide their own kids........by letting Planned Parenthood into the schools....
...in Jr. High/Middle School. Our kids were not that sophisticated as they are TODAY in middle school.[ Sounds Good, But you use the term parents, sad fact most kids do not live under those conditions today.

[OnTrack]

it's the gay-straight club?? are you gay or straight?? you know as it is sooo cool to be gay! why not encourage it to our children? why not confuse them and make them feel if they aren't gay maybe something is wrong with them?? Do you know in Calif teachers (starting with kindergarten) are being ENCOURAGED to teach that homosexuality, bi-sexuality, and even trans-sexuality - is normal behavior?? so next we will have the bi club and on and on?? when does it stop?? when parents get involved and say enough is enough. Not likely to happen. Today's mentality is "if it feels good, do it" We've hit rock bottom as a society. It's very sad but it's true.

Very few gays, will say it's "cool" to be so.

In fact, a large % will relate how tough it is being the object of denigration, scorn and hatred.

Now how in the world...... could they ever get that impression? :oops:

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[Heartnsoul]

Very few gays, will say it's "cool" to be so.

In fact, a large % will relate how tough it is being the object of denigration, scorn and hatred.

Now how in the world...... could they ever get that impression? :oops:

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Have to disagree. IF it isn't cool, then why do we have all these parades celebrating it?? They have all come out of the closet and are proud of it (even the sports figures) It's the new norm. Next it's bi for the new norm and then on and on. The traditional man and woman no longer "cool" That's why we have classes and clubs on gay now. If they were so hated, they wouldn't be celebrating their lifestyle in schools

[Heartnsoul]

Personally, I don't care what one does in their own bedroom. However I do care when it is being brought into our kids schools and influences them. They should keep their private life private and not flaunt it like so many do. Take sex out of the schools and bring in "history" Maybe we can become the smartest in the world again instead of the dumbest. dumbing down is destroying our country. The attitude of "hey anything goes" is not ok. Hey let's smoke some weed and just pop a morning after pill is about as dumb as one can get. Morality is gone . How pathetic we have become.

[OnTrack]

Personally, I don't care what one does in their own bedroom. However I do care when it is being brought into our kids schools and influences them. They should keep their private life private and not flaunt it like so many do. Take sex out of the schools and bring in "history" Maybe we can become the smartest in the world again instead of the dumbest. dumbing down is destroying our country. The attitude of "hey anything goes" is not ok. Hey let's smoke some weed and just pop a morning after pill is about as dumb as one can get. Morality is gone . How pathetic we have become.

I'm not going to get in depth with you, but let me leave you with the thought that it also used to be considered "moral" to own other human beings, deny women the right to vote, denigrate/discriminate/segregate based on the color of skin and prohibit different races from marrying.

How pathetic we used to be.

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[BarryRX]

Personally, I don't care what one does in their own bedroom. However I do care when it is being brought into our kids schools and influences them. They should keep their private life private and not flaunt it like so many do. Take sex out of the schools and bring in "history" Maybe we can become the smartest in the world again instead of the dumbest. dumbing down is destroying our country. The attitude of "hey anything goes" is not ok. Hey let's smoke some weed and just pop a morning after pill is about as dumb as one can get. Morality is gone . How pathetic we have become.

I feel the same way about other peoples religions.

[Heartnsoul]

I'm not going to get in depth with you, but let me leave you with the thought that it also used to be considered "moral" to own other human beings, deny women the right to vote, denigrate/discriminate/segregate based on the color of skin and prohibit different races from marrying.

How pathetic we used to be.

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guess I'm old fashioned. I believe in morals and values. Not too many of my type around anymore. But I raised two good kids who know right from wrong. That brings me peace.

[OnTrack]

guess I'm old fashioned. I believe in morals and values. Not too many of my type around anymore. But I raised two good kids who know right from wrong. That brings me peace.

I raised three....with the same attributes.

They are also tolerant of others....who are not hurting anyone else.

Just out of curiosity, how would you treat one of your two....if they told you they were gay?

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[quirky3]

"Gay-straight" clubs, are typically founded to try and eliminate and work through the ignorance, hate and prejudice...shown toward gays.

What's wrong with that?

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Excellent summary of the issue, On Track! Hate crimes are finally punished. All types of bullying need to be addressed. Communication and better understanding are foundations for mutual respect.

[OnTrack]

Hate crimes are finally punished. All types of bullying need to be addressed. Communication and better understanding are foundations for mutual respect.

:BigApplause:

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[graciegirl]

I don't feel the respect on this thread. On either side.

I feel anger and hatred.

Diplomacy can go a LONG way to change someone's mind.

[OnTrack]

I don't feel the respect on this thread. On either side.

I feel anger and hatred.

Diplomacy can go a LONG way to change someone's mind.

I disagree.

I'm only seeing "anger and hatred"...from one side.

With "tolerance and acceptance" from the other.

[Heartnsoul]

no anger and hatred on this site Gracie. Just adult discussions with both points of view. Let's not to be toooo sensitive we're all entitled to our opinion. Makes for interesting debate and discussion

[Heartnsoul]

I raised three....with the same attributes.

They are also tolerant of others....who are not hurting anyone else.

Just out of curiosity, how would you treat one of your two....if they told you they were gay?

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Just out of curiosity, are you a FEMALE as this original post was posted for women ref morning after pill?? Pls start another post on the new gay-straight club and I'd be happy to reference it.

[Moderator]

This thread has veered way off topic. The original topic was about the morning after pill.

It would be difficult to prune out all the off topic replies so we will let this thread run a little longer if it can get back on topic. If not, it will be closed.

Please be kind to each other, even if you disagree with another's point of view.

[OnTrack]

Just out of curiosity, are you a FEMALE as this original post was posted for women ref morning after pill?? No, I'm not a female...but why do you think only females should be able to comment?

In the title it said "granddaughters."

Us males have them also you know.



Pls start another post on the new gay-straight club and I'd be happy to reference it.
Ummm, it was someone else who first brought it up.

Oh wait....it was you in post #14. :oops:

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[tainsley]

Imagine

[paulandjean]

Anyone see a pattern here.

[asianthree]

I am hoping that when my granddaughter is of age this will not be needed, but it is as real life can be... I want her to be able to choose and hope she can ask for advice without feeling pressure to go it alone

[Heartnsoul]

No, I'm not a female...but why do you think only females should be able to comment?

In the title it said "granddaughters."

Us males have them also you know.




Ummm, it was someone else who first brought it up.

Oh wait....it was you in post #14. :oops:

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. Didn't expect a MAN to be coming in THE FEMININE FORUM but as you say the world has changed. :laugh:
Yes the topic did get sidetracked when I started discussing "morals and values" in our society today but like I stated prior just start a post on the new "gay-straight" club and I'd be happy to post a response.

[OnTrack]

Didn't expect a MAN to be coming in THE FEMININE FORUM but as you say the world has changed.
By my count, there were 4 other males that commented on this thread.

Very telling..... that you chose me to try and chastise. ;)



Yes the topic did get sidetracked when I started discussing "morals and values" in our society today.......Thank you for being honest. :thumbup:

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[Heartnsoul]

The FEMINIME FORUM IS for WOMAN Topics that concern women only ex birth control pill, morning after pills, etc.. our bodies, our daughters, etc.. GIRL TALK If you want to get involved, perhaps you can start a post under the General Discussion for all to participate in. That would be my suggestion.

[DaleMN]

For the times they are a'changin. ;)

[Moderator]

This thread is hopelessly off topic and will be closed.

Please cease all interpersonal squabbling. Respect and civility.