Why do we need a $50 million hospital expansion in America's healthiest hometown?

[Villages PL]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

[njbchbum]

i don't believe that the villages hospital is reserved for villages residents and that 'outsiders' also use the facilities there. they must be the unhealthy ones! ;)

[cmfjr]

The current facilities are NOT adequate for a population in excess of 100,000 and still growing. I believe today's article addressed the need, reduced ER wait times and the bed availability for ones who need to be hospitalized!

No bull, just a glaring need for this or any community of this size!

I also would of liked it to be built south of 466 but also understand the additional and duplicated cost of administrative costs to do so.

This is GREAT news for us as residents and for visitors to this and surrounding communities.

[ijusluvit]

We all need to get used to the fact that a retirement community with more than 100,000 residents is a rather unique place. Of course we all know that older folks have many more health care needs than the general population.

So just how great a need is there? Here's a fact for you: According to my Villages Moffat Center oncologist, 40 percent of the TV population has a type of stage 1 or greater cancer. (No skin cancers except melanoma are included in this count.)

Thank God the Developer has been on a campaign to bring more health care facilities to TV!!!

[Golfingnut]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

:22yikes:

[kimball]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

Excuse me. I believe the quote you are reaching for is "Americas friendliest home town". Would guess you are not one of those who has endured a 10+ hour wait in emergency or been placed in a bed in the hall of that facility for 8-10 hours.

[Villages PL]

We all need to get used to the fact that a retirement community with more than 100,000 residents is a rather unique place. Of course we all know that older folks have many more health care needs than the general population.

So just how great a need is there? Here's a fact for you: According to my Villages Moffat Center oncologist, 40 percent of the TV population has a type of stage 1 or greater cancer. (No skin cancers except melanoma are included in this count.)

Thank God the Developer has been on a campaign to bring more health care facilities to TV!!!

Only 4 to 6% of all cancers are genetic according to the CDC. Most of the rest are due to lifestyle (which includes the environment that we choose). So why do we have an epidemic of cancer in America's healthiest hometown? It seems the main effort, by the developer, is to treat cancer rather than strive for prevention, in my opinion.

[davecz1]

Why are we getting negative about something that should be seen as positive?

[Harry Gilbert]

Sorry to break it to everybody but if you google "Americas healthiest hometown" nobody other than the villages marketing dept considers TV as "america's healthiest hometown"

Even so, Additional capacity is a good thing! Medical care is one of the reasons we've narrowed our search to the TV area.

[njbchbum]

Why are we getting negative about something that should be seen as positive?

i agree, dave...but then, i don't think the use of 'we' is appropriate. the villages hospital is a regional hospital that has an expansive service area and the expanded facilities will surely be a blessing for all who choose and need to use them.

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

Just like an aging car, we all wear out and sometimes need a repair or a tune-up. Just be thankful the care is available so close to The Villages. :)

[pooh]

Hospitals are there for accidents as well as illness....and accidents DO happen. With a population of over 100,000 in The Villages and more in surrounding communities, the current hospital is a tad on the small side. Many who live here have come from smaller communities and their hospitals had fewer people who might need the facilities.

I see it as a positive action and not an indictment of unhealthy living.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why are we getting negative about something that should be seen as positive?

I don't think it is we..................

[ijusluvit]

Only 4 to 6% of all cancers are genetic according to the CDC. Most of the rest are due to lifestyle (which includes the environment that we choose). So why do we have an epidemic of cancer in America's healthiest hometown? It seems the main effort, by the developer, is to treat it rather than prevent it.

Most of us folks have been here for a fraction of our lives, a few months or years. We brought our cancer with us. It's too late to prevent it, but not too late to treat it. I will not quit praising the Developer for finding ways to build treatment facilities and for his new primary health care center program.

Ever since we have been invited to fill out an annual opinion survey, I have asked the Developer to add aerobic exercise opportunities to make this America's Healthiest Hometown. In addition to the priority emphasis on golf, pickleball and swimming, I have suggested that workout facilities be expanded to additional rec centers, and that fees be reduced or eliminated. Of course none of these improvements have been made yet, but as long as the marketing department is now focused on "Healthiest" maybe something will happen.

[Villages PL]

I don't think it is we..................

Now that we need it, we might as well see it as a positive development. What choice do we have? It's not a negative to build something that is needed. The negative part, in my opinion, is the fact that we need it so desperately. The negative part is that so many people are living unhealthy lifestyles and we have no leadership from those in charge to bring about positive (healthy) change.

[KARENNN]

Because when my mom went to the ER for very low BP, she waited in the waiting room for hours and eventually gave up!

[gomoho]

Is this affecting your check book??? didn't think so. Just appreciate the fact they are responding to the needs of a growing community. Can't understand how anyone could put a negative spin on this.

[duffysmom]

Village PL remember a very important component to health is a healthy attitude. We all have free will and choose our lifestyle good or bad and you can't legislate health. Compassion for the sick and suffering is something Jesus taught, he didn't stop to question their diet or lifestyle and walk away feeling superior. Lighten up....

[KYDIANA12]

Some people want to take a positive and turn it into a negative! We are all getting older and never know when we will need hospital care. More rooms can not be a bad thing.

[Warren Kiefer]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

Are you just playing around with us ?? If not and you are being serious, you must have been under a rock the past two weeks. The postings regarding the Emergency room spell out the horribly long waits. Ocala with a lesser population that the Villages has three major hospitals-- It is a simple fact that the projected growth of the Villages will require a much larger medical facility.

[Trish Crocker]

Are you kidding me?????? Just because the lifestyle in this area is healthier than many others that does NOT mean that we will never get sick, never develop pneumonia or cancer, never have heart conditions. Give me a break! We recently had to take my father in law to the hospital because he developed pneumonia (and don't give me any bull about unhealthy lifestyle..he's 95). The Villages Hospital was full and we had to take him to the hospital in Leesburg...not only a drive away but not our choice of hospitals. Once we got there we had to wait for a room to become available. Maybe you have discovered the secret to a long, healthy life and will live to be a healthy 150, I want to know that there is good medical care available when we need it One other consideration...would you move to an area that advertised..."We're healthy...but don't you dare get sick cause we can't help you if you do." ?

[Jayhawk]

As a future resident and homeowner, I was very happy to see this news. Just one more positive feature of TV.
:pepper2:

[perrjojo]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

I don't think the developer has said this IS America's healthiest hometown. i think he has said, let's MAKE this America's healthiest hometown. That is the reason 8 new clinics are in the works and USF has an office here in LSL. Do you know about all of the free lectures, screenings and classes being offered by USF in order to help achieve that goal?

[Villages PL]

I don't think the developer has said this IS America's healthiest hometown. i think he has said, let's MAKE this America's healthiest hometown. That is the reason 8 new clinics are in the works and USF has an office here in LSL. Do you know about all of the free lectures, screenings and classes being offered by USF in order to help achieve that goal?

Yes I'm aware of all the lectures. I went to most of them and I went for a screening. But I don't think the effort is accomplishing very much. The developer may not have said it himself, that this is America's healthiest hometown, but I saw it in print several times. And I believe it was said at the lecture that came after the survey.

I think if the developer himself would get behind it, it could really turn into something very positive. But other than the fact that he may have signed on in the beginning, I don't see him ever showing any interest. I don't think his heart is really in it.

[DougB]

What's the average age in The Villages? Anyone know? I would guess in the 70s somewhere. My street kids with me that when I moved in I bought the average age of the street down to 89. How can this be America's healthiest hometown?

[ilovetv]

Now that we need it, we might as well see it as a positive development. What choice do we have? It's not a negative to build something that is needed. The negative part, in my opinion, is the fact that we need it so desperately. The negative part is that so many people are living unhealthy lifestyles and we have no leadership from those in charge to bring about positive (healthy) change.

It seems to me that people who are living an unhealthy lifestyle do so because they have the money to do it.....as in smoking cigarettes at $5 or more per pack; alcoholism that could cost a person $30-40 per day, over-eating 3 gigantic meals plus several big fatty snacks a day, all of which food could cost $50-60+ per day; doing drugs like pot, cocaine, heroin, crack, meth, etc. which all cost a lot; etc. etc. etc.

But then they "don't have money" to pay toward part of their health insurance premium nor non-prescription remedies/drugs they could buy to avoid an ER visit, nor for the bills generated by an ER visit. As long as nobody in government requires people to pay something (not a lot) toward their dr. visits and prescriptions, they're not going to spend less of their money on unhealthy habits/addictions so they can allocate some for their healthcare bills.

[2 Oldcrabs]

When they build more rooms, I hope they hire more staff. The nurses now have 7-8 patients to care for. Doctors are hard to come by. My 86 year old father fell & broke his shoulder. He was taken by ambulance and put in a ER room right away. Took 4 hrs to get an x-ray and 7 hrs to get a pain pill. Saw an "intern" doctor for about 2 minutes who sent the X-ray to an orthopedic doctor to read by computer. When the Hospital & Doctors have to rely on Medicare only for income, you are going to get the "C&D" students Doctors. I would like to have a few who got "A&B's" in Med school. " Build and they will come" may not apply to TV Hospital.:mad:

[skip0358]

Now wait a minute MANY posters complained about the ER and the wait time. Now a solution has been brought foward ad there are complaints about the solution. With 101 thousand residents the Hospital, ER, and OR allneed help. Read Wednesdays paper plus many posts on here. Glad to see the developer and the Hospital association take the bull by the horns. The Hospital is to small, we need additional space. Hurray for the Developer, and The Hospital Association.

[rubicon]

Is this affecting your check book??? didn't think so. Just appreciate the fact they are responding to the needs of a growing community. Can't understand how anyone could put a negative spin on this.

gomoho: That is what I am trying to find out. One can hardly argue against the expansion but how/who is financing it. I ask because it always seems that the villages of Lake/Sumter, Inc. ends up sticking residents with the bill. So if the hospital expansion is being paid for by its owners with the intent of recouping its cost via hospital fees generated by patients then I am kool with that......As for the claim of the healhiest town in america..again I wouldn't argue with that either. owever, if it is, and since this town was created with folks streaming from all over america, europe, etc. I expect that its lifestyle drew active people who owe their health to lifestyles practice over the years and not because of a phyiscal move here. conversely if folks aren't so healthy then The Villages was responsible for that fact. In other words, The Villages takes its residents as it find them

[Cedwards38]

Having a state of the art hospital is one of the reasons why we might be able to stay one of "America's Healthiest Hometowns."

[asianthree]

Now wait a minute MANY posters complained about the ER and the wait time. Now a solution has been brought foward ad there are complaints about the solution. With 101 thousand residents the Hospital, ER, and OR allneed help. Read Wednesdays paper plus many posts on here. Glad to see the developer and the Hospital association take the bull by the horns. The Hospital is to small, we need additional space. Hurray for the Developer, and The Hospital Association.

There are posts there for staff..but for the money...it's better to go outside of TV...after all you are working not volunteering

[gocubsgo]

When the average ER wait at Munroe in Ocala is 15 minutes and the average ER wait in TV is upwards of 4-5 hours, I think expanding the hospital is a good idea!

Is it true that they were putting patients on cots in the waiting rooms because all the rooms upstairs were full and they couldn't admit anybody else?

[kittygilchrist]

I came here from Gainesville, where health care was said to be some of the finest, and the health care industry was a major source of employment drawing quality providers to establish there. IMHO, bigger is likely to draw better quality providers, finer equipment and so on.

[BettyCrocked]

Sold a bill of goods? Are there actually people out there who would buy a home in TV because they think it will make them healthier?

[George1938]

I don't get it! A community improvement is being viewed with negativity? How do these people get through their day? Bet if the headlines were announcing the closure of the hospital, they would be complaining about that as well.

100,000+ people aging, in a single community, will need more, and more, health care-period! Hope you don't ever need the new facility but odds are you will.

Quit complaining and do something positive. Maybe volunteer at the hospital??

:posting:

[Bogie Shooter]

Sold a bill of goods? Are there actually people out there who would buy a home in TV because they think it will make them healthier?

No, but I think they would because of all the medical support providers that are already here.

[Bonny]

Only 4 to 6% of all cancers are genetic according to the CDC. Most of the rest are due to lifestyle (which includes the environment that we choose). So why do we have an epidemic of cancer in America's healthiest hometown? It seems the main effort, by the developer, is to treat cancer rather than strive for prevention, in my opinion.

I must be missing something here. What does the developer have to do with anyone having cancer !!! There are treatments all over the state. No one has to have treatments here !!

[Bonny]

Now that we need it, we might as well see it as a positive development. What choice do we have? It's not a negative to build something that is needed. The negative part, in my opinion, is the fact that we need it so desperately. The negative part is that so many people are living unhealthy lifestyles and we have no leadership from those in charge to bring about positive (healthy) change.

Again, I don't get it. How can anyone blame the Villages / developer for someones unhealthy lifestyle ? We are all grown ups & responsible for what we do.

[Big47moe]

Does anyone think that they would spend $50 million big ones for hospital expansion to sell more homes? Corporations do market research and demographic studies before they invest money for what should be a long term solution.
My hope is that if we do need medical assistance the support is there!

[billybye]

Is this taking the place of the proposed hospital on 44 near Brownwood?

[zonerboy]

Why do we need a $50 million hospital expansion....?

Because we're old, that's why!
And in this country we're not allowed to die before first spending tens of thousands of dollars on the treatment of diseases associated with old age. Statistics show that up to 90 percent of the total amount a person spends on healthcare during their lifetime is spent in the last two years of their life.

By the way, the longer a person lives, the higher the chance they will develop some type of cancer during their lifetime. Perhaps cancer rates were lower 150 years ago because generally people didn't live long enough to develop them. They died earlier of other causes, many of which modern medicine has done a good job of eliminating.
There is no cancer epidemic in The Villages!!!

[johndamelio]

I'm not worried . I've got Marcus Welby taking care of me.

[njbchbum]

now i'm wondering how much trolling is really going on in this thread!

[rubicon]

When the average ER wait at Munroe in Ocala is 15 minutes and the average ER wait in TV is upwards of 4-5 hours, I think expanding the hospital is a good idea!

Is it true that they were putting patients on cots in the waiting rooms because all the rooms upstairs were full and they couldn't admit anybody else?

That is why I hooked up with the Munroe system shortly after moving here.

Many posters focus on the health aspect of this discussion and rightly so. However keep in mind that the health community is all about profit and that is why there is such a disparity in what hospital doctors, clinics, charge. I am not being critical here just realistic. Keep in mind that The villages of Lake Sumter, Inc is an aggressive competitor in the three county area. spend some time talking to people who own businesses outside The Villages perimeter. None of this is wrong but let's no fool ourselves into beleiving this is all about altruistics.

PS I still have not heard how this expansion is being financed?

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

Never heard TV called "American's healthiest hometown" I have heard the marketing on "American's friendliest hometown"

[Golfingnut]

Excuse me. I believe the quote you are reaching for is "Americas friendliest home town". Would guess you are not one of those who has endured a 10+ hour wait in emergency or been placed in a bed in the hall of that facility for 8-10 hours.

:BigApplause:

[rubicon]

Never heard TV called "American's healthiest hometown" I have heard the marketing on "American's friendliest hometown"

According to Forbes The Villages hadn't even made the top 16 as America's Friendliest Town. Much to my surprise two cities I am very familar with had.
Hamilton New York was #11 and Hopkins, MN was #14 as I recall. the issue of the healthiest I believe results from articles published in the Daily Sun about The Villages healty Lifestyles and residents enthusiasm concerning The Villages Lifestyle.

But there is something to be said about the psychology of it all as our perception is our reality

[PNaughton]

All an expansion means to me is more ear piercing sirens. More ambulances and fire trucks sirens blaring up and down Morse Blvd, and El Camino Real. Florida's noisiest home town.

[OnTrack]

All an expansion means to me is more ear piercing sirens. More ambulances and fire trucks sirens blaring up and down Morse Blvd, and El Camino Real. Florida's noisiest home town.

Ahh c'mon....really? :oops:

If I'm ever in an ambulance or waiting for a fire truck, I hope they have the siren on full blast....and it's driven by an ex Formula 1 driver. :coolsmiley:

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[Bogie Shooter]

All an expansion means to me is more ear piercing sirens. More ambulances and fire trucks sirens blaring up and down Morse Blvd, and El Camino Real. Florida's noisiest home town.

Is there a place where one would not hear ambulances and fire trucks?
How would the expansion increase this activity?

[KEVIN & JOSIE]

All an expansion means to me is more ear piercing sirens. More ambulances and fire trucks sirens blaring up and down Morse Blvd, and El Camino Real. Florida's noisiest home town.

:wine::wine::wine:

[Bonny]

All an expansion means to me is more ear piercing sirens. More ambulances and fire trucks sirens blaring up and down Morse Blvd, and El Camino Real. Florida's noisiest home town.

Seriously ?? :ohdear:

[NotGolfer]

Joining the chorus here wondering on the negativity being spoken here. Since when too, is it required of the developer to "take care" of us and to be an example?? We're all adults who make (hopefully) our own decisions. We decided what groceries to buy, what food to eat and how we will spend our days. Will we exercise or sit in our easy chairs and veg??

I too wish folks would tend to look at LIFE with a glass half full instead of half empty---looking for the next brick to fall. Gosh---LIFE is short, we should try to enjoy the days we have left!! JMHO!!

I for one am happy to hear about the expansion AND for the new health-care facilities on the planning board! Twenty-something NEW doctors yet to come to our community with several also being considered.

[bmarlo767]

And I believe your main effort is to stir the pot.

[Villages PL]

I must be missing something here. What does the developer have to do with anyone having cancer !!! There are treatments all over the state. No one has to have treatments here !!

Bonny, what you're missing is the context. It was the developer who formed a "health alliance" with U.S.F. It's called, "TV/U.S.F. Health Alliance. They jointly declared they wanted The Villages to be: "America's Healthiest Hometown." And this, in part, was to come about with the help of a large Federal grant. I take it that this is sort of a test to see how health care can be delivered more effectively. And, supposedly, if we are successful, we could be a model for (as they said) the rest of the world to follow.

So you ask, "What does the developer have to do with anyone having cancer!!!" It's not just about cancer, it's about health in general. I only mentioned cancer because someone else brought it up.

The developer brought this task upon himself and the only accountability, as far as I can see, will be from us Villagers. (Believe it or not, I have more to say about this but I will take a break for now.) :)

[downeaster]

Joining the chorus here wondering on the negativity being spoken here. Since when too, is it required of the developer to "take care" of us and to be an example?? We're all adults who make (hopefully) our own decisions. We decided what groceries to buy, what food to eat and how we will spend our days. Will we exercise or sit in our easy chairs and veg??

I too wish folks would tend to look at LIFE with a glass half full instead of half empty---looking for the next brick to fall. Gosh---LIFE is short, we should try to enjoy the days we have left!! JMHO!!

I for one am happy to hear about the expansion AND for the new health-care facilities on the planning board! Twenty-something NEW doctors yet to come to our community with several also being considered.


Well said.

[sunny46]

I would like to have seen a trauma center added so we wouldn't have to be airlifted to Orlando. Just a thought!

[Villages PL]

i don't believe that the villages hospital is reserved for villages residents and that 'outsiders' also use the facilities there. they must be the unhealthy ones! ;)

That's a good observation: We could always blame poor health on other nearby communities. :thumbup:

[Villages PL]

Joining the chorus here wondering on the negativity being spoken here. Since when too, is it required of the developer to "take care" of us and to be an example??

Since he signed a health alliance with U.S.F. claiming they would make the Villiges America's healthiest hometown. Not to take care of us but to, supposedly, show us the way. They started it, not me. I'm just comenting on it.

We're all adults who make (hopefully) our own decisions. We decided what groceries to buy, what food to eat and how we will spend our days. Will we exercise or sit in our easy chairs and veg??

In my opinion, that might be the way the developer sees it. Don't try to be healthy, just have fun and enjoy yourself. Nothing wrong with that! Then when you get chest pains, for example, rush to the hospital and a $65,000 heart bypass operation. If you thus survive your heart attack, you will then be considered "healthy." And that's how they intend to make The Villages America's healthiest hometown, one bypass at a time. :D

I too wish folks would tend to look at LIFE with a glass half full instead of half empty---looking for the next brick to fall. Gosh---LIFE is short, we should try to enjoy the days we have left!! JMHO!!

How do you know whether others see the glass as half full or half empty? When the developer signed the health alliance with U.S.F., did they see the glass as half full or half empty? I think they obviously saw room for improvement. And so do I.

[OnTrack]

I would like to have seen a trauma center added so we wouldn't have to be airlifted to Orlando. Just a thought!


For second there, I thought you said......"drama center." :22yikes:


All I could think of was....."they're gonna have to buy a lot of new beds.". :D

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[PR1234]

I haven't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if someone has already addressed this. Last March 2012, I waited 8HOURS in the emergency room to find out I was having appendicitis!!!! That is NOT right! We definitely need a bigger emergency room at the very least.

[justjim]

I haven't read the whole thread, so please forgive me if someone has already addressed this. Last March 2012, I waited 8HOURS in the emergency room to find out I was having appendicitis!!!! That is NOT right! We definitely need a bigger emergency room at the very least.

I couldn't agree more----you had an awful experience. I would feel more comfortable if the ER was expanded even more than proposed.

[JourneyOfLife]

It is an expensive project and the ongoing cost will be expensive.

I doubt anyone is going to put up the capital to build excess capacity these days. It is more likely that there is not enough capacity.

Look at the medicare survey statistics for service on the CMS website. Compare it to other communities in which you lived or are familiar.

[Russ_Boston]

The nurses now have 7-8 patients to care for.

Not quite true - I work on the medical floor which has the hightest patient to nurse ratio and the max is 6 to 1. But 1/2 the time it is 5-1. Still a lot of work but not 7-8 to 1.

[jrandall]

Because we have a large population of seniors and we need it!

[ilovetv]

".....Younger patients like Mr. Crawford were more expensive, representing just 18.5% of the beneficiaries who received hospital care but 23.7% of the total cost. Seniors vastly outnumbered them, however, and consumed 76% of the total hospital costs.

As for Medicare's long-term cost trajectory, it is relentlessly upward. The program's net expenditures totaled $486 billion last year, according to the Congressional Budget Office, or 13.5% of all federal expenditures. In March, the CBO projected that Medicare expenditures would grow an average of 5.7% per year through 2022 and equal 16.2% of all federal outlays.

Medicare patients rack up disproportionate costs in the final year of life. In 2009, 6.6% of the people who received hospital care died. Those 1.6 million people accounted for 22.3% of total hospital expenditures, the Journal's analysis shows......
The Crushing Cost of Health Care - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304441404577483050976766184.html)

[Skip2MySue]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

I agree with V.P. This hospital idea is certainly being over blown and how many people have asked for this on TOTV. Let's put the money to good use and build our own Cheesecake Factory, Costco, Trader Joe's, Millies Burgers and still have change leftover. Now that would be listening to the people. :1rotfl:
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[perrjojo]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

WOW! I truly hope that you never get seriously ill and that if you do, there will be a bigger and better hospital for you and adequate doctors to care for you.

[Villages PL]

I see it as a positive action and not an indictment of unhealthy living.

I read the article in the Daily Sun and it said that about 10 to 15 people show up every day with chest pains. I believe it's largely due to unhealthy living. If people would take better care of themselves, there would be shorter wait times for those who really need to be there.

[Harry Gilbert]

I read the article in the Daily Sun and it said that about 10 to 15 people show up every day with chest pains. I believe it's largely due to unhealthy living. If people would take better care of themselves, there would be shorter wait times for those who realy need to be there.


Seriously?????????

[Villages PL]

Seriously?????????

Absolutely!

[Challenger]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

This is a joke comment---- right?:duck:

[graciegirl]

The header to another thread.

Bicyclist at side of road....being tending to by paramedic.

Golf cart accidents, car accidents, roller blade accidents, sports injuries, babies being born.

Not the last one, I just threw that in to see if anyone was paying attention.

[justjim]

The header to another thread.

Bicyclist at side of road....being tending to by paramedic.

Golf cart accidents, car accidents, roller blade accidents, sports injuries, babies being born.

Not the last one, I just threw that in to see if anyone was paying attention.

;) just in case----where would I have to take her? Leesburg ?

[Villages PL]

This is a joke comment---- right?:duck:

Don't worry, Challenger, I won't throw any tomatoes at you. :) The way I worded the heading, some people think I'm against the expansion. No, I'm not against it. If we need it, we need it. What's done is done.

All I'm suggesting is that we're not nearly as healthy as we should be. They would like everyone to think that we are "America's Healthiest Hometown" but we haven't earned that title, in my opinion. And it's not just right around the corner. The way that we're going about it, in slow motion, we will never get there. Perhaps it's because we are getting too big and fragmented and there's no leadership to get everyone pulling together in the same direction.

We are first and formost about enjoying ourselves with no thought to what the consequences might be. We have become the "Disney World" of fast food consumption. In other words, we have become a fast food amusement park.

[Bucco]

Don't worry, Challenger, I won't throw any tomatoes at you. :) The way I worded the heading, some people think I'm against the expansion. No, I'm not against it. If we need it, we need it. What's done is done.

All I'm suggesting is that we're not nearly as healthy as we should be. They would like everyone to think that we are "America's Healthiest Hometown" but we haven't earned that title, in my opinion. And it's not just right around the corner. The way that we're going about it, in slow motion, we will never get there. Perhaps it's because we are getting too big and fragmented and there's no leadership to get everyone pulling together in the same direction.

We are first and formost about enjoying ourselves with no thought to what the consequences might be. We have become the "Disney World" of fast food consumption. In other words, we have become a fast food amusement park.

To me, eating healthy or excercising properly, are personal choices and NOT the responsibility of this developer.

I, personally, have never lived, nor am I aware of..any other situation that gives the residents more chance to learn good diet, or get so much PROPER and supervised exercise.

The developer Needs to be applauded for his/their dedication to insure ALL the proper ingredients of a healthy lifestyle are present.

[Bonny]

To me, eating healthy or excercising properly, are personal choices and NOT the responsibility of this developer.

I, personally, have never lived, nor am I aware of..any other situation that gives the residents more chance to learn good diet, or get so much PROPER and supervised exercise.

The developer Needs to be applauded for his/their dedication to insure ALL the proper ingredients of a healthy lifestyle are present.

Yep, I think so too. So here's to the developer !!!
:bigbow: :clap2:

[Polar Bear]

To me, eating healthy or excercising properly, are personal choices and NOT the responsibility of this developer...

Yup!

[Villages PL]

To me, eating healthy or excercising properly, are personal choices and NOT the responsibility of this developer.

If it's NOT the responsibility of this developer, why did he form an alliance with U.S.F. with the stated goal of turning The Villages into "America's Healthiest Hometown"? If you start something shouldn't you take an interest in it? Or was it just a PR ploy?

Note: I only suggested that someone should take a leadership role because, in my opinion, we are lacking leadership. It was your assumption that I meant the developer would be the only one to fill that role.

[Bogie Shooter]

Don't worry, Challenger, I won't throw any tomatoes at you. :) The way I worded the heading, some people think I'm against the expansion. No, I'm not against it. If we need it, we need it. What's done is done.

All I'm suggesting is that we're not nearly as healthy as we should be. They would like everyone to think that we are "America's Healthiest Hometown" but we haven't earned that title, in my opinion. And it's not just right around the corner. The way that we're going about it, in slow motion, we will never get there. Perhaps it's because we are getting too big and fragmented and there's no leadership to get everyone pulling together in the same direction.

We are first and formost about enjoying ourselves with no thought to what the consequences might be. We have become the "Disney World" of fast food consumption. In other words, we have become a fast food amusement park.

That nasty developer. Allowing those fast food joints to be anywhere near TV. And further forcing us to eat that food..............that is just terrible.
BTW, what should the developer be doing to get everyone pulling together in the same direction?

[njbchbum]

If it's NOT the responsibility of this developer, why did he form an alliance with U.S.F. with the stated goal of turning The Villages into "America's Healthiest Hometown"? If you start something shouldn't you take an interest in it? Or was it just a PR ploy?

he might have formed the alliance/goal because:
he was nagged to death to do it;
there is a way to make money from it;
he simply wanted to provide a program that some might wish to take part in?

in my opinion, sometimes a laid back approach is better than shoving something down someone's throat or just harping on the subject.

[Polar Bear]

If it's NOT the responsibility of this developer, why did he form an alliance with U.S.F. with the stated goal of turning The Villages into "America's Healthiest Hometown"? If you start something shouldn't you take an interest in it? Or was it just a PR ploy?

It's great for the developer to take an interest and to provide tools and encouragement for a healthy community. But that's a far cry from making it his responsibility.

[tommy steam]

I'm all for anything that will benefit our village, including a new hospital addition. I look at it as a benefit.

[Uncle Tom]

Could it be that this is not America's healthiest hometown and we were just fed a line of bull to sell more new homes? Why do we need more and more doctors, clinics, and a bigger and bigger hospital? It seems a bit overdone for America's healthiest hometown.

This is just an overview: :plane:

My parents lived in the villages then had to move in with me in Lady Lake. Myself along with my girlfriend took care of them, and they lived with us in the same house for 5 years. You can only do that so long, then we had to put them in assisted living, ($7000.00 a month). Reality sets in quick, so be prepared.

[Finallyfree]

Let's face it folks, we are all aging and with that comes health issues. I choose to believe the developer is trying to keep good health care available for us as our community grows. Why do they build/expand hospitals in any location. Get real! However this does not make the developer responsible for our health, only we have that role.

[Russ_Boston]

Let's face it folks, we are all aging and with that comes health issues. I choose to believe the developer is trying to keep good health care available for us as our community grows. Why do they build/expand hospitals in any location. Get real! However this does not make the developer responsible for our health, only we have that role.

Mr. Morse had nothing to do with the proposed expansion of TVRH.

[Villages PL]

That nasty developer. Allowing those fast food joints to be anywhere near TV. And further forcing us to eat that food..............that is just terrible.

I never singled out fast food restaurants as the only distributors of unhealthy foods. That was your assumption.


BTW, what should the developer be doing to get everyone pulling together in the same direction?

I wasn't the one who first mentioned the developer to fill the leadership role, I just played along with it after it was assumed by someone else. As it stands, the position is open to anyone who can fill it. It may be highly unlikely that the developer would want to do it, but he has not been excluded. The position is open to anyone who is able and willing.

Also, if I have to pick someone to take leadership, then tell that person what to do, that wouldn't be leadership on their part, would it?

[graciegirl]

no.

[Bogie Shooter]

I never singled out fast food restaurants as the only distributors of unhealthy foods. That was your assumption.




I wasn't the one who first mentioned the developer to fill the leadership role, I just played along with it after it was assumed by someone else. As it stands, the position is open to anyone who can fill it. It may be highly unlikely that the developer would want to do it, but he has not been excluded. The position is open to anyone who is able and willing.

Also, if I have to pick someone to take leadership, then tell that person what to do, that wouldn't be leadership on their part, would it?

But how can you complain about the lack of leadership when you cannot define what is lacking??