Golf Sense

[Warren Kiefer]

It appears that the greens sod has been removed from all the Tierra Del Sol golf course greens. Can anyone explain to me why this sod was not used to patch the many large bare areas on the executive courses. I know for a fact Deli Vista executive course could have used a lot of the sod. Sadly the sod has been piled and will certainly die. Am I missing something here or wouldn't this have been a display of good golf course management ???

[murray607]

It appears that the greens sod has been removed from all the Tierra Del Sol golf course greens. Can anyone explain to me why this sod was not used to patch the many large bare areas on the executive courses. I know for a fact Deli Vista executive course could have used a lot of the sod. Sadly the sod has been piled and will certainly die. Am I missing something here or wouldn't this have been a display of good golf course management ???

Could it be that there is a problem with the grass e.g. fungus, chinch bug or something else that makes it unsusable?

[Mikeod]

Just some guesses. The championship courses are owned by the developer while De La Vista is owned by the residents through the central district. For accounting purposes I suspect the sod would have to be sold from one entity to another. Perhaps not cost effective for the AAC.

The grass may not be the same type as used on the executives. There are many strains of hybrid bermuda and it's not wise to mix them on the same green. Or the grass may be in sad shape already and it would be too labor intensive to sort the good from the bad.

Or the situation at De La Vista may be temporary during the transition from overseed to bermuda and replacing/patching with other sod not necessary.

[Dennis Ga]

Just some guesses. The championship courses are owned by the developer while De La Vista is owned by the residents through the central district. For accounting purposes I suspect the sod would have to be sold from one entity to another. Perhaps not cost effective for the AAC.

The grass may not be the same type as used on the executives. There are many strains of hybrid bermuda and it's not wise to mix them on the same green. Or the grass may be in sad shape already and it would be too labor intensive to sort the good from the bad.

Or the situation at De La Vista may be temporary during the transition from overseed to bermuda and replacing/patching with other sod not necessary.

I have been told that the greens were in bad shape with allot of weeds and other grasses you would not want to spread around.

[drcar]

Good question, BUT I leave those questions and answers to the golf course professionals. They know what they are doing, we for the most part only think we do.

[mickey100]

I noticed they had taken a lot of that sod and placed it around tree areas that didn't have any grass. They had broken up the sod with some sort of machine, and sort of mulched it. Could be they are trying to get some good soil in there under the trees that perhaps they can grown some perennials of some sort, ground cover or try to grow grass there where they have been unable to grow grass..

Actually, I was quite suprised they tore up those greens. I thought for the most part they were in good condition, especially compared to some other courses like Cane.

[Bogie Shooter]

Good question, BUT I leave those questions and answers to the golf course professionals. They know what they are doing, we for the most part only think we do.

I agree. And it seems more obvious from the posts.

[golf2140]

I agree. And it seems more obvious from the posts.

Bogie: You have a way with words. :bigbow: Some just like to b---h.

[OnTrack]

It appears that the greens sod has been removed from all the Tierra Del Sol golf course greens. Can anyone explain to me why this sod was not used to patch the many large bare areas on the executive courses. I know for a fact Deli Vista executive course could have used a lot of the sod. Sadly the sod has been piled and will certainly die. Am I missing something here or wouldn't this have been a display of good golf course management ???

You bring up a legitimate observation and questions.

Obviously, some people think the supposed "experts".......are infallible.

If that were so, then those people should try and explain.....why did the grass have to come out in the first place? :oops:

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[Warren Kiefer]

Just some guesses. The championship courses are owned by the developer while De La Vista is owned by the residents through the central district. For accounting purposes I suspect the sod would have to be sold from one entity to another. Perhaps not cost effective for the AAC.

The grass may not be the same type as used on the executives. There are many strains of hybrid bermuda and it's not wise to mix them on the same green. Or the grass may be in sad shape already and it would be too labor intensive to sort the good from the bad.

Or the situation at De La Vista may be temporary during the transition from overseed to bermuda and replacing/patching with other sod not necessary.

I appreciate your comments but would like to add a few facts. I live very near both TDS and DeliVista. The ececutive course fairways have been in extremely poor condition for years, mostly a lot of bare ground. Any grass would improve this executive course. TDS is being given a major facelift. The greens removed were the best I have seen them in many years, no problem with disease..Again thanks for the reply.

[Warren Kiefer]

I have been told that the greens were in bad shape with allot of weeds and other grasses you would not want to spread around.

You apparently received bad information, the TDS greens were the best I have seen in years. Many regular golfers who play TDS have spoken about the great condition of the greens.

[drcar]

The greeens were removed because the average "life" of a green in FL is about 25 years. The plan is to start doing upgrades on ALL the courses over the next several years. Unlike the greens on The Oaks, TDS greens were only getting the top layer taken off. The greens on The Oaks are being completly rebuilt. TDS is also having other major work done to it, so the work on the greens is being done at the smae time. Again leave the judgements to the pros, who I must say do make mistakes BUT they know more then we do about the needs of the courses.

[PaPaLarry]

The greeens were removed because the average "life" of a green in FL is about 25 years. The plan is to start doing upgrades on ALL the courses over the next several years. Unlike the greens on The Oaks, TDS greens were only getting the top layer taken off. The greens on The Oaks are being completly rebuilt. TDS is also having other major work done to it, so the work on the greens is being done at the smae time. Again leave the judgements to the pros, who I must say do make mistakes BUT they know more then we do about the needs of the courses.
Very well said!!!! They are suppose to do the Tee Boxes also. Doing it now, is better then waiting till fall when there is more play in TV. I look at the available tee times on Championship courses, and there are ample tee times, on a daily basis at other courses for now. I myself, always like improvements, when it benefits all of us.

[rubicon]

Just some guesses. The championship courses are owned by the developer while De La Vista is owned by the residents through the central district. For accounting purposes I suspect the sod would have to be sold from one entity to another. Perhaps not cost effective for the AAC.

The grass may not be the same type as used on the executives. There are many strains of hybrid bermuda and it's not wise to mix them on the same green. Or the grass may be in sad shape already and it would be too labor intensive to sort the good from the bad.

Or the situation at De La Vista may be temporary during the transition from overseed to bermuda and replacing/patching with other sod not necessary.

I was not aware that De La Vista was resident owned? Is that also true of other executive courses? If so then who does the bidding for contracts for the maintenance people? In other words how is it that the Developer's Maintnance Company works this course along with all the other remaining executive courses? How is/are this course(s) funded, excluding the amenity fees? Why then are there not golfing fees applying? Executive courses collect money from people who have not paid trail fees, rent hand golf carts and guests pay hefty fees. Where does that money go? Who is in charge of those fees? And how is it spent?............................................ ..........................

Wow this opens up a whole lot of discussion, if true

[drcar]

I was not aware that De La Vista was resident owned? Is that also true of other executive courses? If so then who does the bidding for contracts for the maintenance people? In other words how is it that the Developer's Maintnance Company works this course along with all the other remaining executive courses? How is/are this course(s) funded, excluding the amenity fees? Why then are there not golfing fees applying? Executive courses collect money from people who have not paid trail fees, rent hand golf carts and guests pay hefty fees. Where does that money go? Who is in charge of those fees? And how is it spent?............................................ ..........................

Wow this opens up a whole lot of discussion, if true

I may be wrong, BUT I think all the exec cpurses are owned by the VCDD. All fees go to the VCDD and the staff is provided by GMS and paid for by the VCDD. The Maintnance is done on a contract basis. Different courses have different Maintnance groups.

[rubicon]

Appreciate the response. I need to find out how this fact escaped me.????????? If it is true then why do the golf pros at ech course have administrative responsibility for the executive courses in and around the host championship course?

[Mikeod]

I was not aware that De La Vista was resident owned? Is that also true of other executive courses? If so then who does the bidding for contracts for the maintenance people? In other words how is it that the Developer's Maintnance Company works this course along with all the other remaining executive courses? How is/are this course(s) funded, excluding the amenity fees? Why then are there not golfing fees applying? Executive courses collect money from people who have not paid trail fees, rent hand golf carts and guests pay hefty fees. Where does that money go? Who is in charge of those fees? And how is it spent?............................................ ..........................

Wow this opens up a whole lot of discussion, if true

Please re-read my post. The post indicates the course is owned through the central district. Funds (from amenity fees collected by the VCCDD) for the executive courses above 466 are administered by the AAC, whose members are residents. Golf Administration handles the contracting for maintenance, not the developer.

[kimball]

Good question, BUT I leave those questions and answers to the golf course professionals. They know what they are doing, we for the most part only think we do.

Based on the regular fair to poor conditions of Courses in the Villages, I would suggest that your comment is subject to conjecture. Some of them don't even know the rules of golf.

[graciegirl]

Based on the regular fair to poor conditions of Courses in the Villages, I would suggest that your comment is subject to conjecture. Some of them don't even know the rules of golf.

??? The pro's don't know the rules of golf?

[drcar]

Appreciate the response. I need to find out how this fact escaped me.????????? If it is true then why do the golf pros at ech course have administrative responsibility for the executive courses in and around the host championship course?

The golf pros work for GMS who run the courses NOT own them.