Urgent message from Stonecrest to The Villages !!!

[silvertoken]

I'm currently running a dog club in the community of Stonecrest called Waggin Tails Of Stonecrest. Our goal is to obtain a secured area for our dogs . We currently have a dog walk that runs along side your fence line in Spanish Springs. The Villages homes are very close to our fence line perhaps 10 feet or more and has caused a lot of problems. For instance the noise, feces, urine and most importantly the children who play in the back yard of their grandparents home. I have personally urged our POA to relocate to a better area behind a ball field and to fence it in. (also to padlock it when a game is playing).
Personally I wouldnt want a dog run behind my yard , so I understand The Villages residence concerns. We inquired how The Villages were able to obtain a dog park and to much of our surprise is that The Villages does not own them but lease the property. Sadly I was informed that the community of Stonecrest property insurance would drop them if they were to open a dog park. I really need to talk explain to the POA the seriousness of this matter. We have been chased away with water, food waste, guns, bodily harm and I have tried my best to mediate these problems in a friendly manner and its not easy. Our membership has grown fairly large, and have sponsered food drives and social gatherings and have articles in the The Villages Sun Times. I have a web site called Stonecrestflorida.com with videos. I hate to say this but I failed my community to keep all of us safe. Hopefully, The Villagers will forgive me in this matter and I will soon try to remedy this situation.

[ijusluvit]

I'm currently running a dog club in the community of Stonecrest called Waggin Tails Of Stonecrest. Our goal is to obtain a secured area for our dogs . We currently have a dog walk that runs along side your fence line in Spanish Springs. The Villages homes are very close to our fence line perhaps 10 feet or more and has caused a lot of problems. For instance the noise, feces, urine and most importantly the children who play in the back yard of their grandparents home. I have personally urged our POA to relocate to a better area behind a ball field and to fence it in. (also to padlock it when a game is playing).
Personally I wouldnt want a dog run behind my yard , so I understand The Villages residence concerns. We inquired how The Villages were able to obtain a dog park and to much of our surprise is that The Villages does not own them but lease the property. Sadly I was informed that the community of Stonecrest property insurance would drop them if they were to open a dog park. I really need to talk to someone in The Villages who is very important that can help me explain to the POA the seriousness of this matter. We have been chased away with water, food waste, guns, bodily harm and I have tried my best to mediate these problems in a friendly manner and its not easy. Our membership has grown fairly large, and have sponsered food drives and social gatherings and have articles in the The Villages Sun Times. I have a web site called Stonecrestflorida.com with videos. I hate to say this but I failed my community to keep all of us safe including The Villages.

Hellooo, is this real? How do Stonecrest residents, a mile or more away on the other side of 441, have access to a area they can use as a dog walk next to Spanish Springs homes?

:ohdear: OK, I'll bite. Probably just another doggie poop thread :popcorn:

[ilovetv]

Honestly. I think instead of investing in a tiny home lot in a golf community, some dog owners should invest in 40 acres somewhere where their dog(s) can run and be free 24/7/365.

[silvertoken]

Hellooo, is this real? How do Stonecrest residents, a mile or more away on the other side of 441, have access to a area they can use as a dog walk next to Spanish Springs homes?

:ohdear: OK, I'll bite. Probably just another doggie poop thread :popcorn:
Thank you

[silvertoken]

Honestly. I think instead of investing in a tiny home lot in a golf community, some dog owners should invest in 40 acres somewhere where their dog(s) can run and be free 24/7/365.
Thank you

[ilovetv]

I don't know what's "unintellectual" about it. Unless you own your own land, you cannot do what you want using somebody else's land or community-owned land.

[silvertoken]

I don't know what's "unintellectual" about it. Unless you own your own land, you cannot do what you want using somebody else's land or community-owned land.
Thank you

[silvertoken]

Please,this is a health issue.

[silvertoken]

There is a 3 year old baby still in diapers playing in the dirt with his hands along the fenceline where dog feces and urine have been. He has been playing there almost everyday. This is located in The Villages. I'm concerned. His hand reaches through the fence to pet the dogs and he is by himself unsupervised!!.

[silvertoken]

My Video - YouTube (http://youtu.be/jXq31xgjA5I)

[kittygilchrist]

Oh my how uncivil this discourse. Shame on us inhumans.
Splintered, warring, tribal, angry...

[kittygilchrist]

Dear Silvertoken, I appreciate your allegiance to pets. I am offended by the neglect of grandchildren playing in pooh. Clearly, children trump pets...? Your issue is pets, not the children? I'm confused by your blaming some authority for not giving animals rights while children are neglected?
Help me out here. I've worked child protection extensively and own and am owned by a thrice abandoned boxer, who, by the way is too precious to me to have romping in an unknown pack. that's my bias, but I am..
sincerely confused,
Kitty

[kittygilchrist]

There is a 3 year old baby still in diapers playing in the dirt with his hands along the fenceline where dog feces and urine have been. He has been playing there almost everyday. This is located in The Villages. I'm concerned. His hand reaches through the fence to pet the dogs and he is by himself unsupervised!! I have names of all the complaints from The Villages also.

Dear Silvertoken, just so you are informed, You could be prosecuted for knowing about child abuse and not reporting.http://www.myflfamilies.com/service-programs/abuse-hotline child abuse is a serious allegation to make. Please be sure of your information before reporting and please do report if you are concerned.
Kitty
ps if the links don't work go to myflfamilies.com

[silvertoken]

Oh my how uncivil this discourse. Shame on us inhumans.
Splintered, warring, tribal, angry...
Thank you for the information.

[silvertoken]

Dear Silvertoken, I appreciate your allegiance to pets. I am offended by the neglect of grandchildren playing in pooh. Clearly, children trump pets...? Your issue is pets, not the children? I'm confused by your blaming some authority for not giving animals rights while children are neglected?
Help me out here. I've worked child protection extensively and own and am owned by a thrice abandoned boxer, who, by the way is too precious to me to have romping in an unknown pack. that's my bias, but I am..
sincerely confused,
Kitty
Thanks for your comment.

[kittygilchrist]

There is a 3 year old baby still in diapers playing in the dirt with his hands along the fenceline where dog feces and urine have been. He has been playing there almost everyday. This is located in The Villages. I'm concerned. His hand reaches through the fence to pet the dogs and he is by himself unsupervised!! I have names of all the complaints from The Villages also.

Dear Silvertoken, just so you are informed, You could be prosecuted for knowing about child abuse and not reporting.http://http://www.myflfamilies.com/service-programs/abuse-hotline
child abuse or neglect is a serious allegation to make. Please be sure of your information before reporting.
Kitty

[kittygilchrist]

You are sadly mistaken , please read carefully.

please reply with text for me to read.

[silvertoken]

Dear Silvertoken, just so you are informed, You could be prosecuted for knowing about child abuse and not reporting.Abuse Hotline | Florida Department of Children and Families (http://www.myflfamilies.com/service-programs/abuse-hotline)child neglect.
child abuse is a serious allegation to make. Please be sure of your information before reporting and please do report if you are concerned.
Kitty
Yes , and Thank you

[kittygilchrist]

for the record, I love the animals, but children excel in importance. It seems to me you are pleading for a cause to get the animals a place to go so their excretions are not consumed by children?
Please tell me that is not so! The first consideration is to protect the children.
yes?
Kitty

[silvertoken]

Dear Silvertoken, just so you are informed, You could be prosecuted for knowing about child abuse and not reporting.http://http://www.myflfamilies.com/service-programs/abuse-hotline
child abuse or neglect is a serious allegation to make. Please be sure of your information before reporting.
Kitty
I will, Thanks.

[kittygilchrist]

maybe you can point out where I missed something on the blog. I'd be grateful. what I read says basically we are walking our dogs and they excrete right behind your houses where your grandchildren play in our dog poop so THEREFORE we should get another place for our dogs to poop.
Tell me, please that I am reading this wrong...I love my puppy, but she's not allowed to poop on a baby's turf.
Kitty

[silvertoken]

for the record, I love the animals, but children excel in importance. It seems to me you are pleading for a cause to get the animals a place to go so their excretions are not consumed by children?
Please tell me that is not so! The first consideration is to protect the children.
yes?
Kitty
Yes children are a priority.

[kittygilchrist]

No, I can't make any sense at all of what you meant.

[silvertoken]

No, I can't make any sense at all of what you meant.
We try to help our community Waggin Tails Of Stonecrest Food Drive - YouTube (http://youtu.be/RKEDLm8ZV_Y)

[kittygilchrist]

I don't think you are evil, but please don't post about children being abused as a way to promote your cause, as if the cause of the children was secondary to your cause.
Kitty

[silvertoken]

I don't think you are evil, but please don't post about children being abused as a way to promote your cause, as if the cause of the children was secondary to your cause.
Kitty Sorry

[silvertoken]

Trying to form a club,
Stonecrest Florida Waggin Tails - YouTube (http://youtu.be/Dqpq_xkAxGI)
April 5, 2013 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/TQCTavWaTxw)
doggiestars - YouTube (http://youtu.be/7mX5xOYVjgY)
Always finding a place to have fun. Unfortunately I made a mistake picking the area.

[mrfixit]

There is a power company a Right-of-Way which separates Stonecrest from The Villages.

This Right-of-Way is at least 50 feet wide.

This Right-of-Way does NOT belong to Stonecrest.

Stonecrest residents are TRESSPASSING when using this Right of Way.

Fence referred to as "your fence" is on The Villages side of the Right-of Way.

Said fence would therefore be at least 50 feet beyond Stonecrest property.

How would you feel if Villagers walked their dogs ON said Right-of-Way,
behind the Stonecrest outdoor pool.
(your pool near the corner of SE 176th Loop and SE 125th Circle.)

Residents of The Villages would not use this Right-of Way for a doggy bathroom near your community pool.......
......PLEASE ...........we would appreciate this Right-of-Way
not being used for a doggy bathroom behind the homes in The Villages.

Common Courtesy dictates that NO ONE should use this Right-of Way
for a doggy bathroom.

I appreciate your concern for your furry friends. :ho:
I do hope your dilemma can be resolved in an expedient and mutually desirable fashion.

Thank You...and all Stonecrest residents for your anticipated cooperation.

[silvertoken]

There is a power company a Right-of-Way which separates Stonecrest from The Villages.

This Right-of-Way is at least 50 feet wide.

This Right-of-Way does NOT belong to Stonecrest.

Stonecrest residents are TRESSPASSING when using this Right of Way.

Fence referred to as "your fence" is on The Villages side of the Right-of Way.

Said fence would therefore be at least 50 feet beyond Stonecrest property.

How would you feel if Villagers walked their dogs ON said Right-of-Way,
behind the Stonecrest outdoor pool.
(your pool near the corner of SE 176th Loop and SE 125th Circle.)

Residents of The Villages would not use this Right-of Way for a doggy bathroom near your community pool.......
......PLEASE ...........we would appreciate this Right-of-Way
not being used for a doggy bathroom behind the homes in The Villages.

Common Courtesy dictates that NO ONE should use this Right-of Way
for a doggy bathroom.

I appreciate your concern for your furry friends. :ho:
I do hope your dilemma can be resolved in an expedient and mutually desirable fashion.

Thank You...and all Stonecrest residents for your anticipated cooperation.
We are property encroaching. Seems to be legal in Florida

[Golfingnut]

It appears to me that Stonecrest has an ongoing issue with their own POA and are asking The Villages to intervene in coming up with a solution for them. Sounds like a dream for the Media to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Florida old codgers fight over property boarders. This is absolutely a situation where people have too much free time to stir the pot. I for one have full confidence that The Villages is smart enough not to get legally involved in this silly issue. I also have great sympathy for the Villagers on the boarder of what is obviously not a proper dog walking area. I do agree also that making child neglect allegations and not reporting it is a crime in itself. Seeing a child unattended playing in dog Pooh is at minimum an issue that should involve law enforcement.

[redwitch]

I am thoroughly confused. Where exactly is the dog run (maybe highlighted on Google Maps?).

I can understand a homeowner objecting to a slew of dogs being walked by her home constantly, especially since not all owners are conscientious enough to pick up after their dogs. However, if you're being sprayed with water, having food thrown at you, being threatened with a gun, it is time to call the sheriff's department when this occurs (not when you get home, but right then and there). If nothing else, always walk in pairs and have one available to record these incidents. You're talking about a situation that can easily get out of control quickly with tragic results.

As to the grandchild, has anyone told the homeowner what is occurring or suggesting to the grandparent the dangers of the child's actions? Sounds like someone isn't paying a lot of attention to what the little one is doing in the back yard and may truly not be aware.

I am surprised to hear that Stonecrest does not have a dog park for its beloved pooches and sincerely hope you get one soon. It seems like such a basic necessity to me. Maybe you could start a protest -- have all dog owners that want a dog park protest the lack thereof by picketing (with doggies, of course) by the homes of your POA officers (and I'm only half kidding)?

[silvertoken]

It appears to me that Stonecrest has an ongoing issue with their own POA and are asking The Villages to intervene in coming up with a solution for them. Sounds like a dream for the Media to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Florida old codgers fight over property boarders. This is absolutely a situation where people have too much free time to stir the pot. I for one have full confidence that The Villages is smart enough not to get legally involved in this silly issue. I also have great sympathy for the Villagers on the boarder of what is obviously not a proper dog walking area. I do agree also that making child neglect allegations and not reporting it is a crime in itself. Seeing a child unattended playing in dog Pooh is at minimum an issue that should involve law enforcement.
It does appear that may be the best solution, let it go. Border wars is not what I had in mind.

[silvertoken]

I am thoroughly confused. Where exactly is the dog run (maybe highlighted on Google Maps?).

I can understand a homeowner objecting to a slew of dogs being walked by her home constantly, especially since not all owners are conscientious enough to pick up after their dogs. However, if you're being sprayed with water, having food thrown at you, being threatened with a gun, it is time to call the sheriff's department when this occurs (not when you get home, but right then and there). If nothing else, always walk in pairs and have one available to record these incidents. You're talking about a situation that can easily get out of control quickly with tragic results.

As to the grandchild, has anyone told the homeowner what is occurring or suggesting to the grandparent the dangers of the child's actions? Sounds like someone isn't paying a lot of attention to what the little one is doing in the back yard and may truly not be aware.

I am surprised to hear that Stonecrest does not have a dog park for its beloved pooches and sincerely hope you get one soon. It seems like such a basic necessity to me. Maybe you could start a protest -- have all dog owners that want a dog park protest the lack thereof by picketing (with doggies, of course) by the homes of your POA officers (and I'm only half kidding)?
Thanks, and yes there could be tragic results. I have warned some of the dog owners to stay away from certain areas.

[Golfingnut]

It does appear that may be the best solution, let it go. Border wars is not what I had in mind. So far, you are correct about the free time. I had free time to express a concern that seems I should keep to myself. Seems like you're getting tired of watching the media also. Silly is when you get too old nothing else matters. Sympathy, been there done that. Child neglect, abuse allegations belong in a poll of wisdom worshipers since I never used those words. I notice the many complaints on the Talk Of The Villagers seem to be the favorite subjects for trollers and Confusious of wit, to give their expertise and knowledge of something that has no matter and to force a humiliation on something they are gifted to share. For this I thank thee for sharing this great resolve.

This is what you said: There is a 3 year old baby still in diapers playing in the dirt with his hands along the fenceline where dog feces and urine have been. He has been playing there almost everyday. This is located in The Villages. I'm concerned. His hand reaches through the fence to pet the dogs and he is by himself unsupervised!! I have names of all the complaints from The Villages also.

What several of US are trying to tell you, is that is at a minimum Child Neglect. It appears from your statement that you did not notify the police. Were trying to tell you that is is any citizens responsibility to report any crime especially when a child is involved.

[silvertoken]

I have delt with the sherriffs dept with simular issues, you have to be very careful what you say.

[golf4me]

Somebody who is good with maps, find this section of land and show us where it is. Children of that age are NOT allowed to live in the villages. Randy, you can call and report that to The Villages deed restrictions if it is worrying you. I don't know why The Villages would involve themselves in this issue concerning Stonecrest's POA. Back to the child, three year old kids don't stand by fences and play with dog poop. Their attention spans are very short, they may stick their hands through the fence to pet the dogs which is dangerous, but they would be doing other things, anyone who has had a kid or grandkid knows that is not too likely that time after time a little kid wouldn't be fixated on hands through the fence. It is hard not to think that some of the things posted about the problem are exaggerated a little. If I had a dog and this was bothering me I would walk it someplace else. It appears this is not a fenced in dog park but an area that has been used for dogs on leashes to relieve themselves?

Is this area fenced in?

Is this area adjacent to Orange Blossom Hills northeast of 441?

If this is an easement, to whom is it deeded?

Is this the area? http://mapq.st/17alekS

[jblum315]

I will say it before Gracie does: BOY HOWDY

[silvertoken]

14603somebody who is good with maps, find this section of land and show us where it is. Children of that age are not allowed to live in the villages. Randy, you can call and report that to the villages deed restrictions if it is worrying you. I don't know why the villages would involve themselves in this issue concerning stonecrest's poa. Back to the child, three year old kids don't stand by fences and play with dog poop. Their attention spans are very short, they may stick their hands through the fence to pet the dogs which is dangerous, but they would be doing other things, anyone who has had a kid or grandkid knows that is not too likely that time after time a little kid wouldn't be fixated on hands through the fence. It is hard not to think that some of the things posted about the problem are exaggerated a little. If i had a dog and this was bothering me i would walk it someplace else. It appears this is not a fenced in dog park but an area that has been used for dogs on leashes to relieve themselves?

Is this area fenced in?

Is this area adjacent to orange blossom hills north of 441?

If this is an easement, to whom is it deeded?


Its the second house bottom left.

[bkcunningham1]

Are you saying that people walk their dogs in this area and they don't pick up after the dogs? The dog parks in TV require you to pick up after your dog(s). That may be one of the underlying issues with your community NOT wanting to operate a dog park. Can you imagine a confined area with dogs unleashed running and pooping and the owners not cleaning up after their animals? I can't imagine just letting dogs poop against someone's property line and just leaving it there especially knowing that one particular spot can be touched by a small child. Sorry silvertoken, it sounds like you are barking up the wrong tree trying to get help from TOTV.

[silvertoken]

Are you saying that people walk their dogs in this area and they don't pick up after the dogs? The dog parks in TV require you to pick up after your dog(s). That may be one of the underlying issues with your community NOT wanting to operate a dog park. Can you imagine a confined area with dogs unleashed running and pooping and the owners not cleaning up after their animals? I can't imagine just letting dogs poop against someone's property line and just leaving it there especially knowing that one particular spot can be touched by a small child. Sorry silvertoken, it sounds like you are barking up the wrong tree trying to get help from TOTV.
Yes like the Villages and anywhere else, there are good folks and bad folks that clean up the pooh, my club has been picking up others pooh and ours. Dogs normally do their business along the fence line for some reason, instinct? Fence line has also been sprayed with a chemical to prevent plant growth. This child has toy trucks and cars in this location, he has also thrown chunks of this debri at the people and dogs. Kid will be kids and will do such things but Im very worried this poor child may get infected.

[silvertoken]

Are you saying that people walk their dogs in this area and they don't pick up after the dogs? The dog parks in TV require you to pick up after your dog(s). That may be one of the underlying issues with your community NOT wanting to operate a dog park. Can you imagine a confined area with dogs unleashed running and pooping and the owners not cleaning up after their animals? I can't imagine just letting dogs poop against someone's property line and just leaving it there especially knowing that one particular spot can be touched by a small child. Sorry silvertoken, it sounds like you are barking up the wrong tree trying to get help from TOTV.
Dont underestimate TOTV there are plenty of good people in here, just give it a chance. A lot smarter and clever than you and me.

[pooh]

I'm so sorry all of this is taking place......trying to solve an issue with your POA and dealing with a neighbor who could potentially be breaking laws. If the child is living there for an extended period, that's one violation, if the owner is spraying humans with a hose, potentially another violation. If the child is reaching through the fence, handling things that shouldn't be handled, the parent and/or grandparent is allowing a potentially dangerous situation.
One question.....is the land the dog club uses Stonecrest land? If the area is a good one and all that is needed is fencing, why can't the club members raise money themselves and fence in an area? Maybe that has been suggested and rejected by the POA previously.

I'm sorry your group has to deal with such a situation. You are trying to be responsible pet owners and so far nothing has been a positive. I'm not sure The Villages POA can help, would help, how they could help. Hopefully the homeowner you are dealing with and the violations and bad behavior she exhibits, will be addressed by those who can take appropriate actions and a reasonable resolution for all will be found and soon.

[bkcunningham1]

Dont underestimate TOTV there are plenty of good people in here, just give it a chance.

I realize that TOTV is a wonderful forum and there are great people here. I think you are trying to get people from The Villages to complain about Stonecrest residents not picking up the dog poop in an area near The Villages' homes. I believe you are hoping that the complaints will force your POA in Stonecrest into action and will help to get a dog park for you and other dog owners in your development.

I'm suggesting you first look at the behavior of the people in your group with dogs. People who don't pick up their own dog's poop and allow them to use the bathroom near someone's property-and especially property where a small child can touch the dog poop-may not be the most responsible people in the world when it comes to caring for a dog park. Perhaps the POA notices this and is reluctant to operate a park for this and other reasons.

[bkcunningham1]

@Pooh, I don't have a dog in this fight but according to silvertoken, these people are parading their dogs up and down behind homes, letting the dogs poop near the fence lines and they aren't picking up the poop! I don't think it is the homeowners who are in the wrong here.

[silvertoken]

I'm so sorry all of this is taking place......trying to solve an issue with your POA and dealing with a neighbor who could potentially be breaking laws. If the child is living there for an extended period, that's one violation, if the owner is spraying humans with a hose, potentially another violation. If the child is reaching through the fence, handling things that shouldn't be handled, the parent and/or grandparent is allowing a potentially dangerous situation.
One question.....is the land the dog club uses Stonecrest land? If the area is a good one and all that is needed is fencing, why can't the club members raise money themselves and fence in an area? Maybe that has been suggested and rejected by the POA previously.

I'm sorry your group has to deal with such a situation. You are trying to be responsible pet owners and so far nothing has been a positive. I'm not sure The Villages POA can help, would help, how they could help. Hopefully the homeowner you are dealing with and the violations and bad behavior she exhibits, will be addressed by those who can take appropriate actions and a reasonable resolution for all will be found and soon.
The problem is the insurance company. As you notice insurance companys cherry pick the good States from the bad, such as hurricanes, tornados, and also dog bites. An average dog bite in florida will cost $60,000. It is among the highest in the Unites States. To insure a dog will be determined on breed. Some States will soon require all dogs insured.

[bkcunningham1]

Is the issue that you want a park where you can turn your dog loose, sit down and relax and not have to walk him?

[Peachie]

There is a power company a Right-of-Way which separates Stonecrest from The Villages.

This Right-of-Way is at least 50 feet wide.

This Right-of-Way does NOT belong to Stonecrest.

Stonecrest residents are TRESSPASSING when using this Right of Way.

Fence referred to as "your fence" is on The Villages side of the Right-of Way.

Said fence would therefore be at least 50 feet beyond Stonecrest property.

How would you feel if Villagers walked their dogs ON said Right-of-Way,
behind the Stonecrest outdoor pool.
(your pool near the corner of SE 176th Loop and SE 125th Circle.)

Residents of The Villages would not use this Right-of Way for a doggy bathroom near your community pool.......
......PLEASE ...........we would appreciate this Right-of-Way
not being used for a doggy bathroom behind the homes in The Villages.

Common Courtesy dictates that NO ONE should use this Right-of Way
for a doggy bathroom.

I appreciate your concern for your furry friends. :ho:
I do hope your dilemma can be resolved in an expedient and mutually desirable fashion.

Thank You...and all Stonecrest residents for your anticipated cooperation.



Isn't the answer quite simple? The right-of-way of the electric company is not zoned as an animal pasture, I would guess. Therefore, they have an obligation not to cause a health hazard to humans by allowing constant defecation and urination next to homes due to inattentiveness on their part. Perhaps threatened legal action against the electric company would create the needed fence line on the Stonecrest side of the right-of-way and create the area under the power lines as a no-man's land, which it should be.

[Golfingnut]

The problem is the insurance company. As you notice insurance companys cherry pick the good States from the bad, such as hurricanes, tornados, and also dog bites. An average dog bite in florida will cost $60,000. It is among the highest in the Unites States. To insure a dog will be determined on breed. Some States will soon require all dogs insured. A dog park is a major problem and needs monitoring at all times. This is probably why The Villages leases their dog park as what I am told by the POA. The POA is checking up on this with The Villages, so there may be hope but I seriously doubt it. After studying the many rules on dog parks this incident has come to my attention, and needs to be addressed. I'm sorry if this offends some, but I need help. Some will invent lame ways of humiliation, but I can handle it, Ive been through a lot of it so far, so fire away.

It is not your desire to have an approved Dog Park that offends some. In my case, the offense comes from your statements that you have formed a club that meet with your many dogs that you consolidate into a small area directly over the fence from residents. That being in an area that is not authorized nor approved as a Dog Park under Any CODE. Yet you talk about the home owner trying to disperse your group as the aggressor in this matter. I see the resident as the true victim here, not your group, and not the Dogs.

[silvertoken]

Isn't the answer quite simple? The right-of-way of the electric company is not zoned as an animal pasture, I would guess. Therefore, they have an obligation not to cause a health hazard to humans by allowing constant defecation and urination next to homes due to inattentiveness on their part. Perhaps threatened legal action against the electric company would create the needed fence line on the Stonecrest side of the right-of-way and create the area under the power lines as a no-man's land, which it should be.
Florida has different laws regarding this. There have been many issues regarding the radiation. As with power lines the closer the lines are to the power station the more lethal. That is why some States have a zone restriction.

[silvertoken]

It is not your desire to have an approved Dog Park that offends some. In my case, the offense comes from your statements that you have formed a club that meet with your many dogs that you consolidate into a small area directly over the fence from residents. That being in an area that is not authorized nor approved as a Dog Park under Any CODE. Yet you talk about the home owner trying to disperse your group as the aggressor in this matter. I see the resident as the true victim here, not your group, and not the Dogs.
I personally would not like a dog group gathering behind my house, being so close. This unfortunately is the only way I can form a club to get thing rolling. So far its been three months and membership is far more then I expected. As the rules state I need it to be safe, I'm failing at this unless I get the tools needed, such as a dog park so rules will be enforced.

[silvertoken]

It is not your desire to have an approved Dog Park that offends some. In my case, the offense comes from your statements that you have formed a club that meet with your many dogs that you consolidate into a small area directly over the fence from residents. That being in an area that is not authorized nor approved as a Dog Park under Any CODE. Yet you talk about the home owner trying to disperse your group as the aggressor in this matter. I see the resident as the true victim here, not your group, and not the Dogs.
You are absolutely correct.

[Peachie]

Florida has different laws regarding this. There have been many issues regarding the radiation. When I took my Ham Radio exam 30 mhz posed a threat. As with power lines the closer the lines are to the power station the more lethal. That is why some States have a zone restriction.


Silver, this isn't about the radiation... this is about the liability.

If that child is injured because of known activity allowed by the electric company on the electric company right-of-way, the electric company would be liable, correct? What liability would the electric company have if someone would twist or break an ankle from a small indentation in this area while having their animal relieve itself? The area should be contained and fenced by the electric company with no-trespassing signs posted, IMHO.

[Rondosbullet]

This area is behind homes on West Schwartz Blvd on the "Historic Side".
The homes have very tiny yards that go to the chain link fence that separates Stone Crest from the Villages. These are also mostly small homes.
The objection seems to be that the folks congregate behind the homes with their golf carts and lose dogs right against the fence which is practically in their yards. This can be quite a crowd especially when the Snow Birds join in. The conversations, laughter , barking dogs, squeaky toys, whistling to call said lose dogs, etc. especially around dinner time is more then annoying. And it causes dogs in those homes to start to bark in response to the noise which then becomes irritating to the home owners and neighbors. Male dogs urinate against the chain link fence which of course goes through the holes in the fence to the yards of Village homes.
There did not seem to be any objection when folks just walked their dogs there.

[silvertoken]

Silver, this isn't about the radiation... this is about the liability.

If that child is injured because of known activity allowed by the electric company on the electric company right-of-way, the electric company would be liable, correct? What liability would the electric company have if someone would twist or break an ankle from a small indentation in this area while having their animal relieve itself? The area should be contained and fenced by the electric company with no-trespassing signs posted, IMHO.
Stonecrest may be liable I believe.

[silvertoken]

This area is behind homes on West Schwartz Blvd on the "Historic Side".
The homes have very tiny yards that go to the chain link fence that separates Stone Crest from the Villages. These are also mostly small homes.
The objection seems to be that the folks congregate behind the homes with their golf carts and lose dogs right against the fence which is practically in their yards. This can be quite a crowd especially when the Snow Birds join in. The conversations, laughter , barking dogs, squeaky toys, whistling to call said lose dogs, etc. especially around dinner time is more then annoying. And it causes dogs in those homes to start to bark in response to the noise which then becomes irritating to the home owners and neighbors. Male dogs urinate against the chain link fence which of course goes through the holes in the fence to the yards of Village homes.
There did not seem to be any objection when folks just walked their dogs there.

I have personally asked permission to the homeowners and some are very pleased to have our group. Please understand the reason is shade. Trees are abundent along the fence line.

[JB in TV]

This area is behind homes on West Schwartz Blvd on the "Historic Side".
The homes have very tiny yards that go to the chain link fence that separates Stone Crest from the Villages. These are also mostly small homes.
The objection seems to be that the folks congregate behind the homes with their golf carts and lose dogs right against the fence which is practically in their yards. This can be quite a crowd especially when the Snow Birds join in. The conversations, laughter , barking dogs, squeaky toys, whistling to call said lose dogs, etc. especially around dinner time is more then annoying. And it causes dogs in those homes to start to bark in response to the noise which then becomes irritating to the home owners and neighbors. Male dogs urinate against the chain link fence which of course goes through the holes in the fence to the yards of Village homes.
There did not seem to be any objection when folks just walked their dogs there.

I hesitate to get involved in this thread, but...

As I see this...Silvertoken has tried to create a reason (harazrd?) to force Stonecrest to decide to create a dog park for his club...And is asking for TOTV help in this quest. What other reason would there be for this club to congregate behind these homes?

[bkcunningham1]

Silvertoken, why don't you walk your dogs on your own properties until you get this resolved? Or why not join the Doggie Doo Run in Oxford or the dog park off of Rolling Acres?

There are many solutions that don't involve allowing your dogs to use the bathroom against someone's property. I agree with others who have said the victims in this are the property owners in The Villages who are subjected to your dogs against their back fence line.

Why not take turns walking your dogs in each club member's yard? If two or three of you are neighbors, you could have a big area to walk the dogs.

[silvertoken]

14605 My proposed area would be away from homes and out of sight. As shown on this map is the site I proposed. No harm to the residence, or the dogs

[silvertoken]

[quote=bkcunningham1;682051]Silvertoken, why don't you walk your dogs on your own properties until you get this resolved? Or why not join the Doggie Doo Run in Oxford or the dog park off of Rolling Acres?

There are many solutions that don't involve allowing your dogs to use the bathroom against someone's property. I agree with others who have said the victims in this are the property owners in The Villages who are subjected to your dogs against their back fence line.
. It has parking, water and bathrooms nearby and is acceptable by the POA.

[bkcunningham1]

Really? This is interesting, silvertoken. You already have 50 dogs and some 80 people involved. How many more do you need? And your POA has approved your club walking the dogs along the fence line of the residents of The Villages?

My Video - YouTube

[silvertoken]

I need to do this somewhere on Stonecrest Property, indeed I was mistaken.

[gomoho]

If you have never been to a dog park and seen the interaction between the dogs and owners you would think walking them in someone's yard might be feasible. A dog park is a wonderful experience for the pets and their owners and really can't be beat if done correctly.

I am totally confused by this thread. We have a group of Stonecrest folks using an electric company right away as a place for their dogs to play, pee and poop. And then to add fuel to the fire we have a 3 year old (still in diapers)? living in The Villages and playing in dog poop. You can't make this stuff up!!!! Oh yeah, and some Villager hosing down the dog owners in a mad rage!

[Golfingnut]

If you have never been to a dog park and seen the interaction between the dogs and owners you would think walking them in someone's yard might be feasible. A dog park is a wonderful experience for the pets and their owners and really can't be beat if done correctly.

I am totally confused by this thread. We have a group of Stonecrest folks using an electric company right away as a place for their dogs to play, pee and poop. And then to add fuel to the fire we have a 3 year old (still in diapers)? living in The Villages and playing in dog poop. You can't make this stuff up!!!! Oh yeah, and some Villager hosing down the dog owners in a mad rage!

I agree, this may be just a troll having fun as nothing tracks as being sensible.

[bkcunningham1]

The story has more twists than a Chubby Checker convention.

[silvertoken]

I agree, this may be just a troll having fun as nothing tracks as being sensible.
Sorry you feel that way.

[silvertoken]

The story has more twists than a Chubby Checker convention.
I like Chubby.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The way to get Stonecrest to move on this is for all the dog owners to move to The Villages.

[silvertoken]

The way to get Stonecrest to move on this is for all the dog owners to move to The Villages.
I was thinking Winter Park, a great place for dog owners.

[Bogie Shooter]

Does Stonecrest have a Blog?
Where is EDV on this one?

Admin there may be an opportunity there for a new TOSC.

[mulligan]

This has got to be the strangest thread I've ever seen.

[jane032657]

We pay $30 a month and take our dog to Doggie Doo Run on County Road 101. My husband gets up and out by 7 am, loads the two dogs, they run and run and run in a secure acreage private dog park, and then he brings them home and they sleep all day. A perfect solution, take the dogs for a ride, pay your dues, and watch your dogs have a great time. A dog park for dogs, a separate area for small dogs, a dog bath available. And you put flags where they poop and the staff clean up throughout the day. What could be better?

[redwitch]

Wonder if you could put up some sort of a barrier at least along the bottom of the fence. It would prevent a visiting grandchild from (1) petting dogs and risking getting bit and (2) putting hands where they didn't belong. It would also keep urine and defecation on the other side of the fence. Your TV neighbors might appreciate it.

Another thing you might want to consider is asking this group of homeowners to talk to your POA about their issues with the dogs being walked there, including the risk of some major lawsuits because of personal injury or property damage. Seems like maybe a reasonable discussion might help sway your POA.

Another slightly (?) nasty suggestion -- collect the dog poop that your neighbors aren't collecting and take it to a meeting. Let the POA see what kind of liability they are risking if a child gets ill because of this behavior (called an attractive nuisance in most courts). A dog park could have volunteer monitors that would require owners pick up after their dog.

[Golfingnut]

Are you at all able to view the videos I posted? Thats as good as it gets. This blog needs to be viewed at the beginning.

And I did watch it. I saw where when your folks were asked if the police had been contacted, the question was avoided. When the man insisted on an answer, he as told yes, but not officially, but someone talked to someone that new a police officer.

This is too bazaar for me. I am done with this thread.

[teamC]

Wow! The Stonegates Homeowners Assoc seems to be having a lot of problems with Stonegates builders, besides the dog park (which I can't believe is being ignored) there seems to be an ongoing back gate and pond issue with litigation.

[Dick and Lin]

we bring our dog to Doggie Run Run on CR101. Acres of land and room to run run run.

[janmcn]

One lesson to be learned from this thread is don't buy a house if you don't know what's on the other side of the fence. Today's pastoral farm view could be tomorrow's Wal-Mart parking lot view. And don't be lulled into complacency by the zoning. As we've seen on other threads, that zoning can be changed overnight.

[Barefoot]

We pay $30 a month and take our dog to Doggie Doo Run on County Road 101. My husband gets up and out by 7 am, loads the two dogs, they run and run and run in a secure acreage private dog park, and then he brings them home and they sleep all day. A perfect solution, take the dogs for a ride, pay your dues, and watch your dogs have a great time. A dog park for dogs, a separate area for small dogs, a dog bath available. And you put flags where they poop and the staff clean up throughout the day. What could be better?

I think that Silvertoken's posts are a bit confusing. However it seems to be a frustrating uphill battle for Stonecrest dog owners. I realize it's a bit of a drive, but Doggie Doo Run Run on CR 101 already has a lot of Stonecrest members. As Jane says, it's a great place. Only $25/month for one dog, $30/month for two dogs, what a bargain. Perhaps that's a solution for the Stonecrest group.

[rubicon]

This thread is "Who's on first"on steroids what a megamania dog poop story. God I am sorry I tried to read all the postsand now my head is swimming. There is something appaently being conducted illegally because otherwise this whatever it is would never have become an issue. Someone call a psychic to get this straightened out

[Indydealmaker]

This thread takes the prize for the most confusing I have read in the last three years! Seriously, some posters need to have their work edited prior to posting. They might be very pleased at the upgrade in effectiveness.

[silvertoken]

This thread takes the prize for the most confusing I have read in the last three years! Seriously, some posters need to have their work edited prior to posting. They might be very pleased at the upgrade in effectiveness.
True.

[Bogie Shooter]

This is probably going to be the most effective post on here for sure. Anytime now, I wouldnt be surprised if the local sherriff comes to my house to arrest me. Did you ever play the game, whisper in my ear and I'll tell another and when the game is over the story changed completely? This seems to happen with many blogs that are not read completely. So tomorrows headline will be Stonecrest Man abuses child.

Just reading your posts out of the 80 posts......................will make anyone's head spin.
Just what are you trying to accomplish? In two sentences, please.

[silvertoken]

Just reading your post out of the 80 posts......................will make anyone's head spin.
Just what are you trying to accomplish? In two sentences, please.
Oops !! Bogie no need to say more. :22yikes: You were always my favorite head spinner.

[Golfingnut]

Just reading your post out of the 80 posts......................will make anyone's head spin.
Just what are you trying to accomplish? In two sentences, please.

A big DITTO on this post.

[gomoho]

Redwitch - did I miss something??? You said a "visiting" grandchild, I think the OP said she lives in the home with her mother and grandparents.

And why is she still in diapers at 3 years old???

[Halle]

This has got to be the strangest thread I've ever seen.

:agree:

[DougB]

Appears Stonecrest doesn't have any one with any kind of leadership skills or the intelligence to solve their dog park problems so they are asking The Villages to solve it for them???

[silvertoken]

Appears Stonecrest doesn't have any one with any kind of leadership skills or the intelligence to solve their dog park problems so they are asking The Villages to solve it for them???
Thanks Doug

[silvertoken]

:agree:
Thanks Halle

[redwitch]

Redwitch - did I miss something??? You said a "visiting" grandchild, I think the OP said she lives in the home with her mother and grandparents.

And why is she still in diapers at 3 years old???

I said "visiting" because it could just as easily be another grandchild visiting there who gets bit and, so far as I know, we don't know if the child in question actually lives there, is taken care by the grandparents while mom works, is there every day, etc. I'd just rather not assume that which I do not know too often.

As to the diaper question -- it is flat out none of our business. There may be physical reasons; there may be psychological reasons; it may be poor parenting.

[Patty55]

They should electrify the fence, that would keep the children and animals away from it.

[ilovetv]

This is not directed at anybody in particular. As a dog owner all my life, I do not understand why residents in TV or Stonecrest think the development should provide a communal dog pooping and running facility.

We have lived in 7 different suburbs in midwestern states before coming here, and in all of them, dogs are kept in their own yards with either invisible fence or constructed fencing, and they relieve themselves in their own yard.

When owners walk their dogs, they pick up the dog logs with a bag and bring it home. Nobody formed a club to demand that the developers, township board, or the city council buy or give land for a dog park and insure it and the users for liability!

If a dog is so big that it needs acreage to run on, then many owners do buy a place more in the country, with a bigger lot or they get a farmette of a few acres. This is all an issue the dog owner must deal with, not the other homeowners.

It's not a developer's nor municipality's responsibility to provide fenced, insured parks for dogs to run and poop in, when many cities cannot afford the rising costs of their municipalities' swimming pools and lifeguard staffing, ballparks, Parks & Rec Departments, public golf courses, etc.!

[chuckinca]

Silvertoken:

Why don't you and your group use the very large designated dog use open space long the same fence line approximately 1/2 mile West that doesn't border Villages homes?

The Villages homes in this thread are on W. Schwartz in Country Club Hills Village of the historic section - not Spanish Springs.

The fence was installed by the Stonecrest Developer - on his property in Marion County; the villages homes in that area are in Lake County.

A home run hit over the right field fence could injure a dog or owner in the area between Dollar Tree and the softball field.

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[silvertoken]

Silvertoken:

Why don't you and your group use the very large designated dog use open space long the same fence line approximately 1/2 mile West that doesn't border Villages homes?

The Villages homes in this thread are on W. Schwartz in Country Club Hills Village of the historic section - not Spanish Springs.

The fence was installed by the Stonecrest Developer - on his property in Marion County; the villages homes in that area are in Lake County.

A home run hit over the right field fence could injure a dog or owner in the area between Dollar Tree and the softball field.

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We picked 3 places and that one would be the cheapest as far as fencing is concerned, we will padlock the area when there is a ball game.

[silvertoken]

This is not directed at anybody in particular. As a dog owner all my life, I do not understand why residents in TV or Stonecrest think the development should provide a communal dog pooping and running facility.

We have lived in 7 different suburbs in midwestern states before coming here, and in all of them, dogs are kept in their own yards with either invisible fence or constructed fencing, and they relieve themselves in their own yard.

When owners walk their dogs, they pick up the dog logs with a bag and bring it home. Nobody formed a club to demand that the developers, township board, or the city council buy or give land for a dog park and insure it and the users for liability!
If a dog is so big that it needs acreage to run on, then many owners do buy a place more in the country, with a bigger lot or they get a farmette of a few acres. This is all an issue the dog owner must deal with, not the other homeowners.

It's not a developer's nor municipality's responsibility to provide fenced, insured parks for dogs to run and poop in, when many cities cannot afford the rising costs of their municipalities' swimming pools and lifeguard staffing, ballparks, Parks & Rec Departments, public golf courses, etc.!
Its not just for dogs for also for people to enjoy the outdoors and socialize. Try it sometimes you may be surprised. Many folks lose their loved ones and need a friend, this also benefits them. Also a great place to plan events for the community.

[rp001]

Its not just for dogs for also for people to enjoy the outdoors and socialize. Try it sometimes you may be surprised. Many folks lose their loved ones and need a friend, this also benefits them. Also a great place to plan events for the community.

I may be misunderstanding the intent but I do see a lot of Sarcasm in your posts, and I don't choose to read them.

[ilovetv]

Its not just for dogs for also for people to enjoy the outdoors and socialize. Try it sometimes you may be surprised. Many folks lose their loved ones and need a friend, this also benefits them. Also a great place to plan events for the community.

There are plenty of clubs and activities already in place at Stonecrest, designed expressly for "people to enjoy the outdoors and socialize". Obviously, there are land, insurance and fecal contamination problems involved in a dog park that the other social clubs/activities do not have. They are listed as:

"Here is a sample of some of the clubs, activities and classes offered here...

Aerobics
Billiards
Book
Bridge
Bunco
Canasta
Computers
Cooking
East Coast
Golf
Horseshoes
Mah Jongg
Midwest
Pickleball
Photography
Singles
Softball
Tennis"
Stonecrest Summerfield FL - Stone Crest Florida (http://www.55places.com/florida/communities/stonecrest)

[chuckinca]

We picked 3 places and that one would be the cheapest as far as fencing is concerned, we will padlock the area when there is a ball game.

Silvertoken:

Why don't you and your group use the very large designated dog use open space long the same fence line approximately 1/2 mile West that doesn't border Villages homes?


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You didn't answer the question.

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[justjim]

I will say it before Gracie does: BOY HOWDY

Gracie must be on vacation----too bad as maybe she could make some sense of this Thread! Electric power lines----TV has a Recreation Trail on/under power lines and I assume on a power companies right away near the north end of TV and close by Lopez. Point is---using such right away is not unheard of and must be legal with permission. We had dogs in the past and they became like family but given all that I have read, seen and heard----glad we didn't replace our "candy" dog when she passed 10 years ago. Boy Howdy is right!

[silvertoken]

I may be misunderstanding the intent but I do see a lot of Sarcasm in your posts, and I don't choose to read them.
Sorry about that.

[Golfingnut]

Gracie must be on vacation----too bad as maybe she could make some sense of this Thread! Electric power lines----TV has a Recreation Trail on/under power lines and I assume on a power companies right away near the north end of TV and close by Lopez. Point is---using such right away is not unheard of and must be legal with permission. We had dogs in the past and they became like family but given all that I have read, seen and heard----glad we didn't replace our "candy" dog when she passed 10 years ago. Boy Howdy is right!

I am worried about Gracie. She got real sarcastic for a few days then now she is gone. Hope everything is OK with her and Sweetie.

[silvertoken]

You didn't answer the question.

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They've also been chased away by Stonecrest residence from years past..just for walking dog I believe, I wasnt living here when that incident
occured. That is why they dont go there.

[silvertoken]

We pay $30 a month and take our dog to Doggie Doo Run on County Road 101. My husband gets up and out by 7 am, loads the two dogs, they run and run and run in a secure acreage private dog park, and then he brings them home and they sleep all day. A perfect solution, take the dogs for a ride, pay your dues, and watch your dogs have a great time. A dog park for dogs, a separate area for small dogs, a dog bath available. And you put flags where they poop and the staff clean up throughout the day. What could be better?
Excellent place, went there today,luv it.

[silvertoken]

Gracie must be on vacation----too bad as maybe she could make some sense of this Thread! Electric power lines----TV has a Recreation Trail on/under power lines and I assume on a power companies right away near the north end of TV and close by Lopez. Point is---using such right away is not unheard of and must be legal with permission. We had dogs in the past and they became like family but given all that I have read, seen and heard----glad we didn't replace our "candy" dog when she passed 10 years ago. Boy Howdy is right!
Having a dog these days is like smoking cigarettes in a restuarant.

[EdV]

I am totally confused by this thread. We have a group of Stonecrest folks using an electric company right away as a place for their dogs to play, pee and poop.....

For those adding to the confusion about the Right of Way issue, let me try to clear up something.

The entire southern border of Stonecrest has a 30 yard wide strip of land that is owned by the Stonecrest POA. The POA has granted the electric company a right of way for their power lines that run the entire length of that border on towers that are erected on Stonecrest�s property. This right of way does not preclude the use of that land by the POA or its residents provided that doing so does not interfere with the electric company�s use.

There are signs along the fence line that remind Stonecrest to keep their dogs on a leash and pick up after them.

[silvertoken]

There are plenty of clubs and activities already in place at Stonecrest, designed expressly for "people to enjoy the outdoors and socialize". Obviously, there are land, insurance and fecal contamination problems involved in a dog park that the other social clubs/activities do not have. They are listed as:

"Here is a sample of some of the clubs, activities and classes offered here...

Aerobics
Billiards
Book
Bridge
Bunco
Canasta
Computers
Cooking
East Coast
Golf
Horseshoes
Mah Jongg
Midwest
Pickleball
Photography
Singles
Softball
Tennis"
Stonecrest Summerfield FL - Stone Crest Florida (http://www.55places.com/florida/communities/stonecrest)
There will be a SBC meeting next month on this subject. They will be taking questions following their work shop discussion and will be able to voice their concern. Stonecrest Residence only.

[JB in TV]

I'm not sure why this thread is in the "Lifestyles in the Villages" area...shouldn't it be in the "Non Villages Discusion area"? In fact, why is this thread still active? The OP has now stated the meeting in question (I THINK this meeting applies to his concerns?????) is only open to Stonecrest Residents? Amazing...............

[silvertoken]

For those adding to the confusion about the Right of Way issue, let me try to clear up something.

The entire southern border of Stonecrest has a 30 yard wide strip of land that is owned by the Stonecrest POA. The POA has granted the electric company a right of way for their power lines that run the entire length of that border on towers that are erected on Stonecrest’s property. This right of way does not preclude the use of that land by the POA or its residents provided that doing so does not interfere with the electric company’s use.

There are signs along the fence line that remind Stonecrest to keep their dogs on a leash and pick up after them.

I think they may change the sign to read "keep dog on leash in hand". May be too expensive to do, and hopefully forgetaboutit. Leashes these days get slippery.

[EdV]

Silvertoken:

Why don't you and your group use the very large designated dog use open space long the same fence line approximately 1/2 mile West that doesn't border Villages homes?

I was wondering the same thing Chuck. That area shown in the attachments seems much better as a temporary gathering place (leashes still required).

I too don’t know what Silvertoken is trying to accomplish with this post. In the meantime here are a few thoughts for him from a fellow Stonecrest resident:

You knew that Stonecrest has a strictly enforced leash policy when you purchased here.

The entire Stonecrest community plans, including every one of the planned amenity facilities was laid out over a decade ago. Those plans as well a scaled three dimensional layout is available for viewing in the sales office near the front gate. No such gated dog park was ever planned or contemplated.

So what you’re club is asking for is that the residents of Stonecrest should pay for the building of a capital improvement recreational facility that was never planned for.

Keep in mind that for many years, the garden club was using a plot of land owned by the developer for irrigated vegetable beds. But the developer now has a buyer of that land and when he offered to instead lease the property to the garden club with club funds, they folded up and walked away. So if the developer has not yet closed the deal with the prospective owners, maybe your dog club can lease the area instead. It’s already fenced and it’s got water too.

[DougB]

I'm not sure why this thread is in the "Lifestyles in the Villages" area...shouldn't it be in the "Non Villages Discusion area"? In fact, why is this thread still active? The OP has now stated the meeting in question (I THINK this meeting applies to his concerns?????) is only open to Stonecrest Residents? Amazing...............

I guess because some attended Villager's grandkid stuck his hand through the fence and got dog feces on it??? No idea, really.

[silvertoken]

I was wondering the same thing Chuck. That area shone in the attachments seems much better as a temporary gathering place (leashes still required).

I too don�t know what Silvertoken is trying to accomplish with this post. In the meantime here are a few thoughts for him from a fellow Stonecrest resident:

You knew that Stonecrest has a strictly enforced leash policy when you purchased here.

The entire Stonecrest community plans, including every one of the planned amenity facilities was laid out over a decade ago. Those plans as well a scaled three dimensional layout is available for viewing in the sales office near the front gate. No such gated dog park was ever planned or contemplated.

So what you�re club is asking for is that the residents of Stonecrest should pay for the building of a capital improvement recreational facility that was never planned for.

Keep in mind that for many years, the garden club was using a plot of land owned by the developer for irrigated vegetable beds. But the developer now has a buyer of that land and when he offered to instead lease the property to the garden club with club funds, they folded up and walked away. So if the developer has not yet closed the deal with the prospective owners, maybe your dog club can lease the area instead. It�s already fenced and it�s got water too.
29 May 10:15AM POA office, You are welcome to join us to discuss this further.

[silvertoken]

I guess because some attended Villager's grandkid stuck his hand through the fence and got dog feces on it??? No idea, really.
Never trust a baby with many strange dogs Doug. Many parents would agree with me.

[Bogie Shooter]

Never trust a baby with many strange dogs Doug. Many parents would agree with me.

Give it up................................
And I recall another line "Scarlet I don't give a damn".

[silvertoken]

Give it up................................
And I recall another line "Scarlet I don't give a damn".

Great news Bogie, the moderator informed me they have an ignore button. Hope that'll work for you. How you doing today? I wanted to make sure I answered everyones post as nicely as possible.

[Bogie Shooter]

Great news Bogie, the moderator informed me they have an ignore button. Hope that'll work for you. How you doing today? I wanted to make sure I answered everyones post as nicely as possible.

I'm doing fine, glad you took your medicine.

[TOTV Team]

TOTV is not the solution to the OP original question which has had much input at this point. Thread is being closed so we can advance.