So why don't you just move???

[gomoho]

Seems like whenever anyone has a concern, complain, rant or anything not to their liking someone suggests they move somewhere else. Why do we treat each other like that. I would hope in most cases these concerns are legitimate to the OP and they are looking for confirmation, discussion, ideas of how to correct the issue or whatever - but, I don't believe they post so someone suggest they go live somewhere else, relax, take a chill pill, suggest "you have to much time on your hands" and a host of other rude things we say.

And I'm about to end the post by saying "ok take your best shot" which confirms my thinking. It is very difficult to bring anything negative to this forum without getting beat up.

Thanks for listening.:spoken:

[asianthree]

so the OP should move or the responders:pepper2:

[silvertoken]

The Villages is changing, scarey isnt it? The smaller the community, life is better. Not worth standing in line for insults.

[gatherer47]

I've said this before-If you voice a concern here ,YOU often end up having the tables turned on you by the "if you don't like it,don't read it or don't go there or go home or don't buy it" crowd.You can point out something blatantly wrong and this crowd will pop up and blame you instead.Gomoho is exactly right with his post.I've seen it here many times.

[pooh]

It's always easier to find faults than the good it seems. People have some anonymity when writing on a message board and might just say things they would not if talking in person. There may be many here who don't find the difficulty or problem expressed, annoying to them and they can't understand why such a thing would bother anyone. Then, there are some who only come to voice complaints....they may not participate in any other discussions. One problem I see ..... Once one diminishes the feelings of another, more seem to pile on....a sort of pack mentality that happens in nature, be it man or beast.

My opinion and I'm sticking to it....:D

[patfla06]

Amen!

[DianeM]

I hate when someone has a concern and gets attacked for it. Just experienced it prrsonally on the website for my present community. 'Tis one of the reasons I'm le�ving. Please try to hang in there. Not all are mean. I try not to be.

[justjim]

OP, I agree that saying to a "poster" to just move if you don't like something is harsh and is not disagreeing in a respectful manner. We can disagree and still be respectful without making the disagreement personal. On the other end of the spectrum, there are those that carry their "feelings" on their shoulder---so to speak---and take things personal when they are not personal at all. "You have to be reasonable to reason.". Anonymous

[l2ridehd]

I for one think there is another side to this issue. So I ask why do people join a group, join a club, move to a city or country or other such thing and then because they don't like it, try to change it? Don't join in the first place. Don't move there. Don't belong. Most people are able to do enough research on any of these life changes before they make the move, or before they join a group or club. Then they want to change it. Suggestions and positive improvements are OK. But even then if you make a suggestion and it is explained why it is the way it is, move on.

Or should we all go out and lobby to allow large pink Flamingo's on our lawn? When I bought here I knew the rule was I could not do that. And if that is so important to me that I want to complain, lobby, instigate and in other ways try to change that rule, I should just move elsewhere where I can do it. JMHO.

[Bogie Shooter]

The Villages is changing, scarey isnt it? The smaller the community, life is better. Not worth standing in line for insults.

Are things changing in Stonecrest??

[golf4me]

I for one think there is another side to this issue. So I ask why do people join a group, join a club, move to a city or country or other such thing and then because they don't like it, try to change it? Don't join in the first place. Don't move there. Don't belong. Most people are able to do enough research on any of these life changes before they make the move, or before they join a group or club. Then they want to change it. Suggestions and positive improvements are OK. But even then if you make a suggestion and it is explained why it is the way it is, move on.

Or should we all go out and lobby to allow large pink Flamingo's on our lawn? When I bought here I knew the rule was I could not do that. And if that is so important to me that I want to complain, lobby, instigate and in other ways try to change that rule, I should just move elsewhere where I can do it. JMHO.

That is how I see it too.

And Gomoho, there are those who ONLY complain and it is very transparent, you can read all of their posts, in one way or another it is the same song with the same lyrics. You know what they are going to say and it is going to be a rant.I have gone past thinking they are having a bad day and think they have a beef or an agenda. Some always are on the food and the restaurants, some are always on the developer, some are always on diet, some are always on politics, someway, somehow.Some people are always positive and they are thought to have their own motives and maybe they do. I like their motives better in the morning with my coffee.

I feel bad for a new person complaining, because the collective readers say to themselves, we are off to the races.

I agree with the above poster, find out if you like it or don't first and don't come to change it.

[Golfingnut]

The Villages is changing, scarey isnt it? The smaller the community, life is better. Not worth standing in line for insults.

Do you ever tire of trashing your neighbors in TV?

[billethkid]

no matter how large or small the community there will ALWAYS be a FEW that have something not to their liking. There will also be a few that are ready to pounce and take to task any subject they have an opposing view on. There are a few contrarians who will voice opposition or dislike for almost anything. And of course there are the baiters.

One thing can be said about them all LEST WE FORGET.....they are in the minority. I am against any tarring of a general condition or community or organization for the actions of a few. They do not represent the general condition, but somehow get the time, attention and discussion as if they were.

Let's not forget the 98% who do what is right.

btk

[Mikeod]

While I agree with the OP that dismissing a concern with an invitation to leave is rude, there are some times (although a minority) when a poster seems so upset, discouraged, and depressed about many aspects of living here, that recommending they consider moving away appears to be a sincere effort to get them enjoying their life again.

There are some things in TV that we just cannot change, no matter how much we wish to. If these things are so important that the situation is causing great stress, you need to either accept what you cannot change, or, failing that, get away from it.

[Mikeod]

I for one think there is another side to this issue. So I ask why do people join a group, join a club, move to a city or country or other such thing and then because they don't like it, try to change it? Don't join in the first place. Don't move there. Don't belong. Most people are able to do enough research on any of these life changes before they make the move, or before they join a group or club. Then they want to change it. Suggestions and positive improvements are OK. But even then if you make a suggestion and it is explained why it is the way it is, move on.

Or should we all go out and lobby to allow large pink Flamingo's on our lawn? When I bought here I knew the rule was I could not do that. And if that is so important to me that I want to complain, lobby, instigate and in other ways try to change that rule, I should just move elsewhere where I can do it. JMHO.
I have no problem with people posting about something they think could be better. One of the positive aspects of living in a community with people from all over the country is that they bring alternate views of how things could be done. Anyone who has served on a committee where the membership stays the same for a long time realizes how important new blood is to achieving goals.

However, I see a segment of TV that seems to want everything they had in their prior community here, except the weather. Sorry, this is not your prior community. Your favorite grocer, barber, mechanic, restaurant, golf course, etc. are not here. What's also not here are those aspects of your former community that led you to move here. Last time I checked, nobody was forced to relocate here.

[ugotme]

For what it's worth - we are coming up for an LSV.

I would love to have a cottage home with a lot of land, a fence around the yard for my dog, back yard on the water and my flamingos out front (only kidding about the flamingos).

However, after doing research on the TV web site, joining TOTV, and doing general research on the internet, I realize some of the restrictions. Some are similar to where I live now.

Will I move there and say "Geez what a silly rule!" I would bet my bottom dollar that I will.

But, after doing all this research and coming up there for a week, if I still desire to purchase there (assuming you will have us!!!!) then The rules are the rules! And this is coming from someone who always used to say rules were made to be broken/changed.

See you at the squares.

[janmcn]

It is rather ironic to hear a person that does not live in TV tell someone who has lived here for 15 years to leave if he doesn't like it. I hope I'm around 15 years from now to hear if that person is 100% satisfied with everything, if he ever moves here.

[USSGompers]

I agree with the OP. Reminds me of an old 'Saturday Night Live' skit.

Two guys standing at the elevator. One says to the other, "I got hit in the head by a brick last night!"

The other, "Oh, I Hate when that happens!"

You know, maybe our neighbors are only looking for a sympathetic ear. Is that too hard to do? Why not just listen, without being nasty or judgmental?

You never know what is going on in their life. If they complain about slow restaurant service- don't say- "You are retired- you have all day!" Well, maybe they don't.

I am a Caregiver to my husband and when I am out and about- I do not have all day. I worry about him being alone. That is just an example. I have never complained about slow service- but I am looking at the other side of the coin.

When people say that they are disappointed in something- why not just listen- without being rude? You never know the circumstances. Maybe you need to walk a mile in their moccasins!!!

Just sayin'!!!

[Bonny]

Sometimes it depends on the gripes. I know people who have lived here for a few years & still complain about the amenity fees or the bond. We know these things before we move here. Why then move here & complain 24/7 !!
I do say you should move.
There are also the restaurant bashers who say they will never ever, ever go back to this awful restaurant cause they didn't like where they got seated.

[USSGompers]

Sometimes it depends on the gripes. I know people who have lived here for a few years & still complain about the amenity fees or the bond. We know these things before we move here. Why then move here & complain 24/7 !!
I do say you should move.
There are also the restaurant bashers who say they will never ever, ever go back to this awful restaurant cause they didn't like where they got seated.

I totally agree Bonny!!!!

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Well some poster seem to come on TV and do nothing but complain, and to that I say life is too short to be so miserable, so if all someone can do is find something to complain about then why not move to somewhere that makes them happier and doesn't have the issues they constantly complain about.

[simpkinp]

Happiness is in you. It is not in TV or anywhere else. If you can't be happy here, you won't be happy anywhere. Enjoy every day because you never know what tomorrow brings. I had another great day with my friends, from my morning pool walking with my pool buddies, to the evening BBQ with my girlfriends. Life is beautiful, and it was another beautiful day in TV. Where else would I want to be?

[perrjojo]

Sometimes it depends on the gripes. I know people who have lived here for a few years & still complain about the amenity fees or the bond. We know these things before we move here. Why then move here & complain 24/7 !!
I do say you should move.
There are also the restaurant bashers who say they will never ever, ever go back to this awful restaurant cause they didn't like where they got seated.

I agree..there is one poster who has been here less than 2 months and has nearly 500 posts...all are negative. I just don't get it. TV is not perfect but how can you find so much to complain about in such a short time? Why dd that person move here or does he/ she just like to complAin?

[billethkid]

I agree..there is one poster who has been here less than 2 months and has nearly 500 posts...all are negative. I just don't get it. TV is not perfect but how can you find so much to complain about in such a short time? Why dd that person move here or does he/ she just like to complAin?

It is sort of a sport like thing for some.....sometimes called stirring the pot.....

btk

[bmarlo767]

I for one think there is another side to this issue. So I ask why do people join a group, join a club, move to a city or country or other such thing and then because they don't like it, try to change it? Don't join in the first place. Don't move there. Don't belong. Most people are able to do enough research on any of these life changes before they make the move, or before they join a group or club. Then they want to change it. Suggestions and positive improvements are OK. But even then if you make a suggestion and it is explained why it is the way it is, move on.

Or should we all go out and lobby to allow large pink Flamingo's on our lawn? When I bought here I knew the rule was I could not do that. And if that is so important to me that I want to complain, lobby, instigate and in other ways try to change that rule, I should just move elsewhere where I can do it. JMHO.

Well said:BigApplause:

[Cedwards38]

The Villages is changing, scarey isnt it? The smaller the community, life is better. Not worth standing in line for insults.

The Villages is changing! The community is taking steps every day to become better and better. No where else has the lifestyle of this community. That's why over 100,000 people have chosen to live here. I hope we keep changing forever.

[Quixote]

Happiness is in you. It is not in TV or anywhere else. If you can't be happy here, you won't be happy anywhere. Enjoy every day because you never know what tomorrow brings.... Life is beautiful, and it was another beautiful day in TV....

Several years ago my friend Tillie turned 100, and a big party was held for her. A young guest commented to me that Tillie typified the picture in her mind of a "sweet little old lady." Tillie always smiled, was always gentle and loving, never complained, was white-haired and pink-skinned, and was a joy to be with.

I explained to this young woman that that isn't how it works, that Tillie didn't suddenly achieve "sweet little old lady" status. Tillie was like that when she was 20, when she was 40, when she turned 60, when she became 80, and now that she's 100. I was with her once at the nursing home (she could no longer walk) during lunch and asked her how the food was. She smiled sweetly and asked me if I'd like to eat it.... It didn't look great (understatement), and she ate it day in and day out, never complaining!

And if a person chooses to be miserable, negative, constantly whining and complaining and alienating others, he or she will be like that at 20, 40, 60, 80 (if living that long), and so on. We are who we choose to be, much like the Abraham Lincoln quote to the effect that we are as happy as we choose to be. We all have adversity to deal with; it's just part of life. But some of us are like this even without adversity. I feel sad for those people, as they are clueless. Somehow they think--and likely really believe it--that things will improve the more negative they are. And some will go through their entire lives like this and never figure it out. Wouldn't you agree sad?

Tillie died peacefully in her sleep last year, surrounded by her family, at age 104. She never for a moment wavered in her goodness--and she is missed!

[queasy27]

When people say that they are disappointed in something- why not just listen- without being rude? You never know the circumstances. Maybe you need to walk a mile in their moccasins!!!

I totally agree, but another option is not to respond at all. I mostly enjoy hearing opinions both good and bad, so the "constant complainers" don't bother me. The people who always jump in to tell them to leave make me shake my head, though. It's dismissive and uncalled for.

For those who find certain posters or negative posts annoying, the ignore feature is your friend. :-)

In the end, this is an (mostly) anonymous discussion board and nothing said here is worth getting upset about.

[Bonny]

There is a difference between disappointment and moaning, groaning & complaining.

[golf4me]

There is a difference between disappointment and moaning, groaning & complaining.

AND baiting.

Also,some people have a little bit of an open mind as they attain the status of senior citizen and some have minds like steel traps. One poster started a thread that every single person disagreed with and some more articulately and kindly than others but she would not back down. She is almost always met with disagreement, but she still thinks she is right and the majority is wrong. Makes you wonder if she always sought negative attention as a kid, or sought out being the underdog.

[salpal]

As my Daddy said:
Some people are so eager to find fault that you'd think there was a reward offered.

[mickey100]

Seems like whenever anyone has a concern, complain, rant or anything not to their liking someone suggests they move somewhere else. Why do we treat each other like that. I would hope in most cases these concerns are legitimate to the OP and they are looking for confirmation, discussion, ideas of how to correct the issue or whatever - but, I don't believe they post so someone suggest they go live somewhere else, relax, take a chill pill, suggest "you have to much time on your hands" and a host of other rude things we say.

And I'm about to end the post by saying "ok take your best shot" which confirms my thinking. It is very difficult to bring anything negative to this forum without getting beat up.

Thanks for listening.:spoken:

Well, you're right. They didn't come out and ask you to move, but the majority seem to to be saying, don't voice your complaints, don't voice your hope for change to help make things better; anyone who complains is a troublemaker looking for attention; anyone who complains about The Villages is just totally unhappy in their life, etc.... Sigh.

[rubicon]

"So Why Don't You Just Move." When a person leads with this question in my mind s/he has already lost their argument. Its political correctness speak. It follows along with confirmation bias and selective denial. It is an offensive tactic so that the responder's bubble isn't burst.

It is also indicative of people who do not like leaving their comfort zone.
It reflects a major flaw occurring at every level of American life. Debate and intelligent discourse have been replaced with name calling argumentive and defensive yelling and plain old ignoring all reactive responses. Reality shows reflect America's reality today.

On the other hand there are people who apparently have higher expectations than is the norm. However on this forum who believes they are experts in making that determination?

[Big47moe]

"So Why Don't You Just Move." It seams to me that some complaints are constructive and some are negative and it's not easy to tell by the tone that is implied.

I think the reply to those complaining should be "What are YOU going to do about It?"

Complaints need to followed-up with a solutions and perhaps things may be fixed or understood.

[Mikeod]

"So Why Don't You Just Move." It seams to me that some complaints are constructive and some are negative and it's not easy to tell by the tone that is implied.

I think the reply to those complaining should be "What are YOU going to do about It?"

Complaints need to followed-up with a solutions and perhaps things may be fixed or understood.

Good point. I think what bothers people is the perceived attitude of some complainers that they are unhappy and want some one to fix it. It's the attitude as if this is a resort; they are a guest; so they expect their every need, want, desire to be accommodated without any effort on their part.

[justjim]

Several years ago my friend Tillie turned 100, and a big party was held for her. A young guest commented to me that Tillie typified the picture in her mind of a "sweet little old lady." Tillie always smiled, was always gentle and loving, never complained, was white-haired and pink-skinned, and was a joy to be with.

I explained to this young woman that that isn't how it works, that Tillie didn't suddenly achieve "sweet little old lady" status. Tillie was like that when she was 20, when she was 40, when she turned 60, when she became 80, and now that she's 100. I was with her once at the nursing home (she could no longer walk) during lunch and asked her how the food was. She smiled sweetly and asked me if I'd like to eat it.... It didn't look great (understatement), and she ate it day in and day out, never complaining!

And if a person chooses to be miserable, negative, constantly whining and complaining and alienating others, he or she will be like that at 20, 40, 60, 80 (if living that long), and so on. We are who we choose to be, much like the Abraham Lincoln quote to the effect that we are as happy as we choose to be. We all have adversity to deal with; it's just part of life. But some of us are like this even without adversity. I feel sad for those people, as they are clueless. Somehow they think--and likely really believe it--that things will improve the more negative they are. And some will go through their entire lives like this and never figure it out. Wouldn't you agree sad?

Tillie died peacefully in her sleep last year, surrounded by her family, at age 104. She never for a moment wavered in her goodness--and she is missed!

What a great story and thanks for sharing Tillie with us. Definitely we could use more Tillie's.

[mickey100]

I agree that some people want all their whims satisfied, and that it is preferable to try and fix things oneself, but some things are really beyond our control. Take golf course conditions, for example. Other than voice our complaints to the golf department, (and of course repair our divots and ball marks) we can't do anything more. What helps though, is posting the golf complaints on this forum. When other golfers see that people are unhappy with the conditions and basically think like they do, it spurs them to also make telephone or email complaints to the right person. When The Villages gets a ton of complaints, then they seem more inclined to do something about it. Better than burying your head in the sand and ignoring the problems, or pretending they don't exist.

[simpkinp]

As my Daddy said:
Some people are so eager to find fault that you'd think there was a reward offered.

I like that! Made me smile. I will remember that.

[gomoho]

"So Why Don't You Just Move." When a person leads with this question in my mind s/he has already lost their argument. Its political correctness speak. It follows along with confirmation bias and selective denial. It is an offensive tactic so that the responder's bubble isn't burst.

It is also indicative of people who do not like leaving their comfort zone.
It reflects a major flaw occurring at every level of American life. Debate and intelligent discourse have been replaced with name calling argumentive and defensive yelling and plain old ignoring all reactive responses. Reality shows reflect America's reality today.

On the other hand there are people who apparently have higher expectations than is the norm. However on this forum who believes they are experts in making that determination?

Rubicon - not sure I understood your post. Could you be a little more clear what point you are making.

[Bonny]

"So Why Don't You Just Move." When a person leads with this question in my mind s/he has already lost their argument. Its political correctness speak. It follows along with confirmation bias and selective denial. It is an offensive tactic so that the responder's bubble isn't burst.

It is also indicative of people who do not like leaving their comfort zone.
It reflects a major flaw occurring at every level of American life. Debate and intelligent discourse have been replaced with name calling argumentive and defensive yelling and plain old ignoring all reactive responses. Reality shows reflect America's reality today.

On the other hand there are people who apparently have higher expectations than is the norm. However on this forum who believes they are experts in making that determination?
Not quite sure what you are saying.:shrug:

[George1938]

My My ! Let's all stop trying to emulate Congress !! :pepper2:

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=Quixote;683169]Several years ago my friend Tillie turned 100, and a big party was held for her. A young guest commented to me that Tillie typified the picture in her mind of a "sweet little old lady." Tillie always smiled, was always gentle and loving, never complained, was white-haired and pink-skinned, and was a joy to be with.

I explained to this young woman that that isn't how it works, that Tillie didn't suddenly achieve "sweet little old lady" status. Tillie was like that when she was 20, when she was 40, when she turned 60, when she became 80, and now that she's 100. I was with her once at the nursing home (she could no longer walk) during lunch and asked her how the food was. She smiled sweetly and asked me if I'd like to eat it.... It didn't look great (understatement), and she ate it day in and day out, never complaining!
__________________________________________________ ________

Many of the elders in our past were exactly like Tillie.....and all were a joy to be with. She lived a long life because she apparently was not hateful and nit picky over every little thing. Nothing in this world is perfect.

I've always been calm, accepting of people's differences and various opinions as no one is perfect. No place is perfect and life is not perfect.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in la la land. That's my opinion.

There are places that are enjoyable at different stages of life, for sure.

I might also add that asking about "climate" is not being negative in that it can indeed affect folks........if it makes them uncomfortable, so in "weighing whether to relocate to certain parts of our great country" vs. staying put in the familiar terrain..........is just being smart and doing the research. Act in haste, repent at leisure.

We've been in Vermont for 43 years, a state that does NOT have perfect weather.........not one Vermonter would be insistant that it has perfect weather............that it never snows, never has ice storms and blizzards, never rains for days on end with extreme mugginess and humidity (again today).......never has pot holes and frost heaves......but it is a beautiful state and was a great place to raise a family. Things are changing, even up here.......but in the end, we all make our own educated decisions based on our own research and HOW WE FEEL at the moment..........the original Vermonters were the salt of the earth and a pleasure to know, once you got past the "Ayup" and silent treatment...........the autumns were glorious.......the springtime is now practically non existant as we've seen climate change.........and more rain and flooding.............that is not being negative. It is stating a fact. It is not bashing the state of Vermont.
We will miss our beautiful state when we relocate to The Villages.

We love Vermont but Florida is in our future for a million and one reasons.
It still is HOT and it still is HUMID. We know that for a fact, having lived in Florida........and having vacationed in Florida during our entire 48 years of marriage.

Having a different viewpoint or asking a question does not make a "hater".

I also respect those who are not afraid to state their true opinions and not pretend to be still in high school.......we are all far past that age, for sure.
No one needs to be in the "popular" crowd if they have enough self esteem of their own.

New England has always been known for free thinkers and freedom of speech has always been valued........ditto for other parts of our nation.
Posters should not become afraid of the few bullies out there in life.....
There is one faction that seems to think they are still in high school.
Supposedly, we are all mature senior citizens??

Also, common sense would show that if The Villages was not hot and humid during the summer months, the snowbirds would NOT return north in May, only to return in the autumn or after the holidays.......
We appreciate those who have posted super getaways in the Carolina mountains for the summer "escape" from oppressive humidity and intense sunshine.......that's when the cooler forests would be appealing, for sure.


"Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard. . . But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
- Justice Robert Jackson WV SBE v Barnette

[Gerald]

exactly on target. gomoho thank you for saying it

[laddan]

Seems like whenever anyone has a concern, complain, rant or anything not to their liking someone suggests they move somewhere else. Why do we treat each other like that. I would hope in most cases these concerns are legitimate to the OP and they are looking for confirmation, discussion, ideas of how to correct the issue or whatever - but, I don't believe they post so someone suggest they go live somewhere else, relax, take a chill pill, suggest "you have to much time on your hands" and a host of other rude things we say.

And I'm about to end the post by saying "ok take your best shot" which confirms my thinking. It is very difficult to bring anything negative to this forum without getting beat up.

Thanks for listening.:spoken:

so true, seems the most tolerant do-gooder folks are not so tolerant if you believe or express something they do not like I have seen this many times on this site. glad you made your case, I agree with you 100%

[graciegirl]

There are those who are just positive and do their best to "weather the storms" and don't sweat the small stuff.

There are those that TRY to emulate the St.Francis thingy and try to
change the things they can change, accept the things they can't change and hope and pray for the wisdom to know the difference.

And there are those who are and always will be anonymous trouble makers who don't like you or anything you like because of your religious, political beliefs or how much money you have or don't have. Or they aren't having enough sex or eating nasty stuff or really suffering from arthritis or are lonely, sad or just heard awful news. I realize that in this very post I contradicted myself because this is the process I go through when someone posts something that just really makes me mad. I try really, REALLY hard to read it again, and hear with my brain and my heart just what the poster is saying and I try to figure out the facts as stated and if I don't understand I will often ask questions...and that is when I am sometimes criticized. That ain't right.

[pooh]

Nice to see you....:). Yes, it very easy to make assumptions about things and I agree with that St. Frances saying, too. I also have another saying that does me well..."Don't let the ba*****s get you down." Works almost as well and has not failed me for nearly 68 years....:D

[Houselover]

I've said this before-If you voice a concern here ,YOU often end up having the tables turned on you by the "if you don't like it,don't read it or don't go there or go home or don't buy it" crowd.You can point out something blatantly wrong and this crowd will pop up and blame you instead.Gomoho is exactly right with his post.I've seen it here many times.

Just move into our new home and have used TOTV to gather information about the good, the bad, and the ugly in TV..It appears that the forum has gone from one that provides helpful information to a forum that promotes neighbor bashing for anyone that disagrees with another's opinion.
Having just celebrated Memorial Day, let's step back and be thankful for the ones that gave us the right to agree to disagree..I don't think degrading each other was on the list they died for..