Disney and Universal over the Top

[Warren Kiefer]

Yesterday, Disney followed Universal's recent price increase and is now the most expensive park in Florida. At $95.00 plus tax, it will now cost a family of four (over 10 years old) over $400.00 just to get into the Park. Add food to that cost and you have a very expensive outing for sure. My last trip to Disney cost three of us nearly $300.00, stood in lines for hours and hours and was only able to ride four rides and watch the parade. The entry fee to Disney has doubles since 2000. This price increases concerns me because I believe there are many average families with children who might never have the funds to attend either of the parks.

[Tom Hannon]

I agree. If Walt was still alive he would never allow such high prices.

[bkcunningham1]

If you are a Florida resident, you get real savings by purchasing a Florida resident annual pass. The price is $309 and you have access to all the Disney World Resort Parks for an entire year.

I'm always amazed at the number of people in the parks. I was in the parks several times last year when they closed the parking lots and didn't allow anyone else inside because they were at capacity.

As to eating, I've seen people people inside the various parks sitting down and eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Where there's a will, there's a way. https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/parks/outside-food-and-drink/

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

No matter what the price there will always be families that can't afford to bring their kids there.
Millions of people come from all over the world to experience these parks. The price doesn't seem to be driving anyone away. It's, like everything in business, simple supply and demand. If the price was too high, people would stop coming. As long as the parks fill up, the prices will increase.

The other thing is that there seems to be thousands of discount programs available. It seems that every time share operation gives out Disney tickets. I'm sure they are not paying full price. If you stay in the resorts you get a reduced price. Florida residents have numerous options to pay very low prices to vist the parks. The entrance fees are also bundled into vacation "packages" which I assume that most people visiting from out of state are buying. If you vist more than one park over a few days the price is reduced. I have to wonder how many people actually pay the $95.00 advertised price. It may be a case of marking it up so that they can offer discounts.

I also wonder what the cost is of running and maintaining these parks. They are always beautiful and clean. There seems to be constant expansion going on. Operating costs must be huge. I wouldn't want to see the quality reduced.

What was the cost of the parks when they first opened and what is the cost today adjusted for inflation? Also what are you getting today in terms of technology and experiences that you weren't getting 25 years ago.

People will always complain about prices, but we need to look at all of the factors when it comes to setting a price.

And, Disney made the Orlando area what it is today. The other parks and attractions wouldn't exist today if not for Walt's vision, Orlando would be the sleepy little horse town it was before The Magic Kingdom opened. When people hear the name Orlando, they immediately think Disney World. They are the biggest, and most famous park in the world. They should have the highest prices compared to other parks in the area. If it wasn't for Disney, Universal wouldn't exist. Or it might exist in Los Angeles.

[kbace6]

No matter what the price there will always be families that can't afford to bring their kids there.
Millions of people come from all over the world to experience these parks. The price doesn't seem to be driving anyone away. It's, like everything in business, simple supply and demand. If the price was too high, people would stop coming. As long as the parks fill up, the prices will increase.

The other thing is that there seems to be thousands of discount programs available. It seems that every time share operation gives out Disney tickets. I'm sure they are not paying full price. If you stay in the resorts you get a reduced price. Florida residents have numerous options to pay very low prices to vist the parks. The entrance fees are also bundled into vacation "packages" which I assume that most people visiting from out of state are buying. If you vist more than one park over a few days the price is reduced. I have to wonder how many people actually pay the $95.00 advertised price. It may be a case of marking it up so that they can offer discounts.

I also wonder what the cost is of running and maintaining these parks. They are always beautiful and clean. There seems to be constant expansion going on. Operating costs must be huge. I wouldn't want to see the quality reduced.

What was the cost of the parks when they first opened and what is the cost today adjusted for inflation? Also what are you getting today in terms of technology and experiences that you weren't getting 25 years ago.

People will always complain about prices, but we need to look at all of the factors when it comes to setting a price.

And, Disney made the Orlando area what it is today. The other parks and attractions wouldn't exist today if not for Walt's vision, Orlando would be the sleepy little horse town it was before The Magic Kingdom opened. When people hear the name Orlando, they immediately think Disney World. They are the biggest, and most famous park in the world. They should have the highest prices compared to other parks in the area. If it wasn't for Disney, Universal wouldn't exist. Or it might exist in Los Angeles.

Nicely done! :agree:

It is very expensive and I cringe when I have to pony up the $$$, but I believe in free enterprise. And if the prices were in fact too high, they would see a significant drop in attendance, my GUESS is that they do not over time.

[DougB]

I went to Disney the first day they opened in Oct. 1971. General admission without any "Adventure Book A - E" ride tickets was only $3.75. With the ride tickets a little more. When Epcot opened in 1982, tickets were $15 to either park. By then they had stopped the A - E tickets.

[bkcunningham1]

When Disney World first opened (and for many years thereafter), guests purchased a book of ride tickets (similar to what you would get at a carnival or fair). The book consisted of A through E tickets, with the E tickets being the best rides. E ticket attractions included 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise, Small World and the Hall of Presidents.

Seven Adventure Ticket Book: Adult $4.75, Junior $4.25, Children $3.75
(included transportation, admission to MK and seven adventures)

Eleven Adventure Ticket Book: Adult $5.75, Junior $5.25, Children $4.75
(included transportation, admission to MK and eleven adventures)

General Admission: Adult $3.50, Junior $2.50, Children $1.00 (inlcuded unlimited use for one day of transportation system, admission to MK and all
free shows, exhibits and entertainment)

Parking: 50 cents per automobile

Source: Disney World's Grand Opening (http://www.thisdayindisneyhistory.com/disneyworldgrandopening.html)

[skyguy79]

I believe that anyone that has taken Economics in college would recognize the comment Dr. Boogie said about supply & demand as one of the laws of economics and how especially in this case the prices are influenced to be as high as they are. I'm thinking that there is a lesser factor that could also affect the price. That put simply is demand satisfaction. If the prices were more economical, would the demand skyrocket way beyond Disney's ability to satisfy that demand? Probably not a provable idea, but it is a thought to ponder!

[bkcunningham1]

Oh, and if you want to do the math, try this: CPI Inflation Calculator (http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=4&year1=1971&year2=2013)

[Geewiz]

The reason Disney and Universal are raising prices is - as the wise Dr. O'Boogie said - it's supply and demand.

I'm less concerned with the price than the value for the price. As crowds increase at Disney, ride waiting times are huge and for your dollar you get a certain degree of misery. We are lucky living down here as we can attend during low crowd periods (after Labor day is best). If Disney wants to raise prices - fine. Create another park to absorb crowds. Disney Seas in Japan is fantastic...the technology and designs already exist. Add Car Land from Disneyland here (the Mouse Studio is perfect for it). Get Avatar built.
All of these will absorb crowds and add value.

At least Universal is adding a new Harry Potter land.

The bottom line is value - not cost.

[asianthree]

and there is no longer non expiring tickets

[DougB]

The reason Disney and Universal are raising prices is - as the wise Dr. O'Boogie said - it's supply and demand.

I'm less concerned with the price than the value for the price. As crowds increase at Disney, ride waiting times are huge and for your dollar you get a certain degree of misery.

The bottom line is value - not cost.

I agree with you Gary. You get what you pay for and if you want quality you gotta pay for it. However, standing in lines for 2 hours is not my idea of fun or a good value.

[gocubsgo]

Since we have lived down here (5 years now) we have been to Disney once. For just the 2 of us to walk through the gates (not to mention parking!), get a Hopper and buy meals, I believe we spent upwards of $400 just for a day!! I'm not talking gourmet food either. Burgers,fries and a couple of drinks came to over $35. I don't know how families can afford to stay in a hotel and do the theme parks for a week with 4 kids. They must have to save up for years.

[Harry Gilbert]

Magic Your Way: Facts on 2013 Walt Disney World Resort Prices « Disney Parks Blog (http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/magic-your-way-facts-on-2013-walt-disney-world-resort-prices/)

The above is a link to all current prices. Non expiration tickets are still available

[JoeC1947]

and there is no longer non expiring tickets

Yes there is.

Disney Magic Your Way Tickets (http://www.officialticketcenter.com/Disney-Non-Expiration-Tickets.aspx)

I'm still paying 2005 prices because I bought a 10 admission hopper ticket for $350 which included 5 water parks and 5 ESPN admissions.

[spk7951]

From 1999 to 2004 my wife & I owned a vacation home very close to Disney that we rented out. Rental homes near Disney can be a better alternative to Disney hotels. We had a few times where potential renters would call and want to rent but complain that Disney prices were high for their family and asked us to lower our rent. Our answer was always the same "Please check with Disney and see if they will lower their prices and then we will".

[getdul981]

From 1999 to 2004 my wife & I owned a vacation home very close to Disney that we rented out. Rental homes near Disney can be a better alternative to Disney hotels. We had a few times where potential renters would call and want to rent but complain that Disney prices were high for their family and asked us to lower our rent. Our answer was always the same "Please check with Disney and see if they will lower their prices and then we will".

Good answer.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Since we have lived down here (5 years now) we have been to Disney once. For just the 2 of us to walk through the gates (not to mention parking!), get a Hopper and buy meals, I believe we spent upwards of $400 just for a day!! I'm not talking gourmet food either. Burgers,fries and a couple of drinks came to over $35. I don't know how families can afford to stay in a hotel and do the theme parks for a week with 4 kids. They must have to save up for years.

Are you aware that you can buy a Florida Resident Weekday Season Pass for $211. I does have most of June, all of July and much of August blacked out, but if you go three times, you are way ahead of the game.
Why get a Park Hopper? I can't imagine seeing everything in any one of the parks in one day. Plus the time that you will spend going from one park to another is wasted.
Food prices are absurd but it's no different than a sporting event. We went to a Rays game and a 12 ounce beer is $10.00. If I recall correctly, hot dogs were
$8.00.
We bought the weekend passes and have gone three times so far. We will go about once a month beginning in August. If we go ten times, that will be about $21 for each visit. Add in $14.00 for parking. (and there is a way to get around this if you want to go through the trouble) and about $40.00 for food and it less than $100 for the two of us to go to Disney for a day.
We also plan to go and stay over night at a hotel down there. That will eliminate the parking fee.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I agree with you Gary. You get what you pay for and if you want quality you gotta pay for it. However, standing in lines for 2 hours is not my idea of fun or a good value.

That's an excellent point. Buy raising the prices that are actually benefitting the people who go there. Higher prices may mean fewer patrons and shorter lines.

If you want to avoid the lines, you should go in Sept and Oct.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I believe that anyone that has taken Economics in college would recognize the comment Dr. Boogie said about supply & demand as one of the laws of economics and how especially in this case the prices are influenced to be as high as they are. I'm thinking that there is a lesser factor that could also affect the price. That put simply is demand satisfaction. If the prices were more economical, would the demand skyrocket way beyond Disney's ability to satisfy that demand? Probably not a provable idea, but it is a thought to ponder!

I think that the demand has already gotten to the point where they have difficulty satisfying it. As Doug said, a lot of people are very disenchanted with waiting in line for hours for a 90 second ride.
They have got to be thinking about having less people in the park while maintaining there current income.

[bkcunningham1]

We have season passes and go at the very least once a month. We went to nearly all of the Flower Power concerts at Epcot. We go to meet friends, have a few adult beverages, see the concerts, have dinner and head home. The summer concerts are starting at Epcot and we'll go down for a few of those. We have guests in the summer and it makes it a lot cheaper to already have our tickets if we go to the parks with them.

With a season pass you don't feel rushed to get your money's worth out of the day. You can go for just a few hours, eat somewhere nice in Orlando and come home. We feel blessed to be able to do that. The proximity to the theme parks in Orlando is just another added thing we love about living in The Villages.

[gocubsgo]

Are you aware that you can buy a Florida Resident Weekday Season Pass for $211. I does have most of June, all of July and much of August blacked out, but if you go three times, you are way ahead of the game.
Why get a Park Hopper? I can't imagine seeing everything in any one of the parks in one day. Plus the time that you will spend going from one park to another is wasted.
Food prices are absurd but it's no different than a sporting event. We went to a Rays game and a 12 ounce beer is $10.00. If I recall correctly, hot dogs were
$8.00.
We bought the weekend passes and have gone three times so far. We will go about once a month beginning in August. If we go ten times, that will be about $21 for each visit. Add in $14.00 for parking. (and there is a way to get around this if you want to go through the trouble) and about $40.00 for food and it less than $100 for the two of us to go to Disney for a day.
We also plan to go and stay over night at a hotel down there. That will eliminate the parking fee.


Ohhh...good suggestions!! I also heard parking is free at the resorts and then you hop on the shuttle to the parks.

[Bizdoc]

DW and I have been doing Disney together since 2002. We have FL premium passes (which have no blackout dates and include parking plus water parks and discounts at some shops and restaurants. Proximity to Disney was one of the factors in moving to the Villages. We are still young enough that we can drive down in the morning and be in the park when it opens. We do what we want and usually head for the exit around 3 (when the crowds are moving into peak mode).

As to price, consider that Disneyland (California) has about 10% first time visitors and 90% repeat guests. Disney World has about 90% 1st time visitors and 10% repeat guests.

We normally carry a backpack with ponchos (rain and water rides), a lunch box sized soft cooler with soft drinks and sandwiches. This will save money, but more importantly saves time and lets you simply stop and eat when you want to.

If you want to avoid crowds, I recommend TouringPlans.com - for a modest annual subscription, you can see crowd projections a year in advance.

[Harry Gilbert]

Ohhh...good suggestions!! I also heard parking is free at the resorts and then you hop on the shuttle to the parks.

Sorry but no, The Resorts are all gated and require a parking pass, except for dining reservations. You can park at downtown Disney and catch a bus to a resort and from there get to the parks. (some you can walk from others you need a second bus) But the buses don't run from downtown until 10:30 ish so if your plan is to be there at opening you get to pay for parking

[asianthree]

if we go we always stay a night still have our passes from 2002

[skyguy79]

I think that the demand has already gotten to the point where they have difficulty satisfying it. As Doug said, a lot of people are very disenchanted with waiting in line for hours for a 90 second ride.
They have got to be thinking about having less people in the park while maintaining there current income.You are absolutely correct, but IMHO there are only two effective solutions that can substantially help fix the problem. Raise prices to reduce demand or expand further to help meet it. Seems to me like they have been using a balanced approach by using both solutions in the past and will probably continue to do the same well into the future.

[Warren Kiefer]

No matter what the price there will always be families that can't afford to bring their kids there.
Millions of people come from all over the world to experience these parks. The price doesn't seem to be driving anyone away. It's, like everything in business, simple supply and demand. If the price was too high, people would stop coming. As long as the parks fill up, the prices will increase.

The other thing is that there seems to be thousands of discount programs available. It seems that every time share operation gives out Disney tickets. I'm sure they are not paying full price. If you stay in the resorts you get a reduced price. Florida residents have numerous options to pay very low prices to vist the parks. The entrance fees are also bundled into vacation "packages" which I assume that most people visiting from out of state are buying. If you vist more than one park over a few days the price is reduced. I have to wonder how many people actually pay the $95.00 advertised price. It may be a case of marking it up so that they can offer discounts.

I also wonder what the cost is of running and maintaining these parks. They are always beautiful and clean. There seems to be constant expansion going on. Operating costs must be huge. I wouldn't want to see the quality reduced.

What was the cost of the parks when they first opened and what is the cost today adjusted for inflation? Also what are you getting today in terms of technology and experiences that you weren't getting 25 years ago.

People will always complain about prices, but we need to look at all of the factors when it comes to setting a price.

And, Disney made the Orlando area what it is today. The other parks and attractions wouldn't exist today if not for Walt's vision, Orlando would be the sleepy little horse town it was before The Magic Kingdom opened. When people hear the name Orlando, they immediately think Disney World. They are the biggest, and most famous park in the world. They should have the highest prices compared to other parks in the area. If it wasn't for Disney, Universal wouldn't exist. Or it might exist in Los Angeles.

Is it so hard to understand that there is a whole group of people out there that will never be able to afford these theme parks. These folk would like to enjoy the theme parks just as much as anyone. Half of our nation live at or below the poverty line, These folk have nearly no chance of visiting Disney. I also find it strange that the Florida theme parks have price increases always within a few days of each other. The cost for Disney has doubled since 2000.

[pooh]

Alas, the park is expensive. Getting to the park, either by car or plane, is also an expense. Personally, I think the cost to use the park is high, especially when you might not be able to get on many rides. Maintaining the rides and the park is far from inexpensive. There are some kids who might not be able to see either Disney in CA or Disney in FL at the present time, but it doesn't mean they won't ever. I was in my mid 20's when I first visited Disneyland in CA....and immediately on passing into that magical place, I was that young person who watched Walt Disney World, The Mickey Mouse Club on TV years and years ago. I smiled, shed some happy tears and then was off to enjoy something I didn't ever think I'd ever see.

Remember you started this thread....were you just making an observation or....?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You are absolutely correct, but IMHO there are only two effective solutions that can substantially help fix the problem. Raise prices to reduce demand or expand further to help meet it. Seems to me like they have been using a balanced approach by using both solutions in the past and will probably continue to do the same well into the future.

The problem with raising the entrance fee in order to reduce the number of patrons is that you'll lose a significant amount of ancillary income. The gift shops and food concessions will have a drop in sales. Those businesses are dependent on high traffic volume. The only solution to that would be to raise all the prices of the souvenirs and food.

[DougB]

Is it so hard to understand that there is a whole group of people out there that will never be able to afford these theme parks. These folk would like to enjoy the theme parks just as much as anyone. Half of our nation live at or below the poverty line, These folk have nearly no chance of visiting Disney. I also find it strange that the Florida theme parks have price increases always within a few days of each other. The cost for Disney has doubled since 2000.

There a whole bunch of people out there that can't afford their next meal or decent clothes to send their kids to school in. I worry more about them than the cost of Disney or any theme park.

[Mack184]

Consider joining the Florida Farm Bureau. You do not have to be a farmer to join. One of their perks is that you can get Disney & Universal tickets at a discount, and by joining you help a good organization.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Is it so hard to understand that there is a whole group of people out there that will never be able to afford these theme parks. These folk would like to enjoy the theme parks just as much as anyone. Half of our nation live at or below the poverty line, These folk have nearly no chance of visiting Disney. I also find it strange that the Florida theme parks have price increases always within a few days of each other. The cost for Disney has doubled since 2000.

There is a whole group of people out there who wouldn't be able to come to these parks if they were free. People that are living in poverty can't afford the airfare, lodging and food costs. I would think that people living in poverty hopefully would have higher priorities than visiting Disney World.

I know that people that can't afford it really would like to go there as much as everyone else. There are a lot of things that I would like to do that I can't afford. I have zero chance of owning my own private jet or living in a ten million dollar mansion. I have zero chance of summering in the south of France. Here's a little bit of reality for you. Not everyone in the world can do everything that they want.

And where do you get that half of the people in the United States are living at or below the poverty line?

[Billyworld]

I was a Vendor for Disney for about 15 years until I sold my business. I sold Disney dozens of Automobile Lifts to maintain their enormous fleet of vehicles. I did the preventative maintenance on the lifts also. If you could go behind the scenes and see the day to day operation as I had for years, You would be mind boggled. Disney, in my opinion is the most safety conscious Company that I have ever worked for in my 30 some years in this business. To run a first class operation as Disney, it costs big bucks and with costs on everything rising, so must the admission cost. Hopefully this will "Splain" why this is happening.:spoken:

[njbchbum]

Is it so hard to understand that there is a whole group of people out there that will never be able to afford these theme parks. These folk would like to enjoy the theme parks just as much as anyone. Half of our nation live at or below the poverty line, These folk have nearly no chance of visiting Disney. I also find it strange that the Florida theme parks have price increases always within a few days of each other. The cost for Disney has doubled since 2000.

warren - i saw no complaint in the post that you site. i saw a rational and well thought out response.

i was one of those kids who had no shot at going to disney world as a kid - felt bad about it - but that was life! matter of fact - there was a lot i did without when growing up. might be what made me apply myself, get good jobs, work hard at them and achieve all that i have today. it's a great lessson to learn.

what is wrong with some folks not having a chance to visit disney or any other theme park? i think dougb has a better idea for being concerned about something [and i'll throw in sandy storm/tornado/wildfire/earthquake victims to his list].

[Mack184]

And where do you get that half of the people in the United States are living at or below the poverty line?
I have no idea what the real stats are as far as the "poverty" level in America. However, there has been a lot of jockeying and massaging of the goal posts for what now constitutes "poverty" in America, so there may be a possibility that "on paper" the poster might be right.

However, many people who are labeled as being in "poverty" in the USA live like kings compared to those in poverty in many other places in the world.

[keithwand]

There is a whole group of people out there who wouldn't be able to come to these parks if they were free. People that are living in poverty can't afford the airfare, lodging and food costs. I would think that people living in poverty hopefully would have higher priorities than visiting Disney World.

I know that people that can't afford it really would like to go there as much as everyone else. There are a lot of things that I would like to do that I can't afford. I have zero chance of owning my own private jet or living in a ten million dollar mansion. I have zero chance of summering in the south of France. Here's a little bit of reality for you. Not everyone in the world can do everything that they want.

And where do you get that half of the people in the United States are living at or below the poverty line?

Amen to that.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I have no idea what the real stats are as far as the "poverty" level in America. However, there has been a lot of jockeying and massaging of the goal posts for what now constitutes "poverty" in America, so there may be a possibility that "on paper" the poster might be right.

However, many people who are labeled as being in "poverty" in the USA live like kings compared to those in poverty in many other places in the world.
According to Wikipedia:
In November 2012 the U.S. Census Bureau said more than 16% of the population lived in poverty in the United States, including almost 20% of American children

16% is a far cry from half.

[Mack184]

According to Wikipedia:


16% is a far cry from half.
As I said..I did not know.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

As I said..I did not know.

I hope that you didn't take my post as an attack on you or your post. You said that you didn't know and I provided the answer. My comment was aimed more toward the poster who claimed that we have a 50% poverty rate.

[Moderator]

Ok, that factoid about poverty levels is resolved.

Back on topic to Disney/Universal prices....

[rubicon]

I went to Disney the first day they opened in Oct. 1971. General admission without any "Adventure Book A - E" ride tickets was only $3.75. With the ride tickets a little more. When Epcot opened in 1982, tickets were $15 to either park. By then they had stopped the A - E tickets.

Had taken my family (2 adults 2 kids) to Disneyworld At the time they announced the building of epcot.

Traveling by plane (Eastern) staying six nights seven days at the Contemporary cost us a total of $1,000 plus food odds and ends.

We met a woman on the tram when we first arrived who sudied how to work the park so that you were always first in line. she was astoundingly accurate

[buggyone]

[QUOTE=bkcunningham1;685667]When Disney World first opened (and for many years thereafter), guests purchased a book of ride tickets (similar to what you would get at a carnival or fair). The book consisted of A through E tickets, with the E tickets being the best rides.

Eleven Adventure Ticket Book: Adult $5.75, Junior $5.25, Children $4.75
(included transportation, admission to MK and eleven adventures)
__________________

In 1972, I had my first job after college at the VA Hospital in Gainesville. Magnificent salary of $7,319 per year or equates to $3.51 per hour. I went to Disney World that year a couple of times with a couple of different girls. The $5.75 plus parking (and gas from Gainesville to Orlando and back) added up to quite a bit from that $3.51 per hour.

Compute those figures to a decent salary for a family now and it probably is in the same ratio ballpark.

Still, $99 for a single day of amusement park is a heck of a lot of money!!

[John_W]

Since I grew up in St. Petersburg back in the 1960's we went to Busch Gardens in Tampa all the time. Why not, it was Free. They actually had a factory tour of the bottling plant and all adult visitors were allowed 3 free draft beers.

In 1968 -1969 I was enrolled at St. Petersburg JC studying Hotel Restaurant Management. In the fall of '69 I came to class one day and there was all these people in the hallway wearing suits. Nobody wears a suit in Florida, so I asked what was going on? Disney World was interviewing for positions at the new theme park.


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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

[QUOTE=bkcunningham1;685667]When Disney World first opened (and for many years thereafter), guests purchased a book of ride tickets (similar to what you would get at a carnival or fair). The book consisted of A through E tickets, with the E tickets being the best rides.

Eleven Adventure Ticket Book: Adult $5.75, Junior $5.25, Children $4.75
(included transportation, admission to MK and eleven adventures)
__________________

In 1972, I had my first job after college at the VA Hospital in Gainesville. Magnificent salary of $7,319 per year or equates to $3.51 per hour. I went to Disney World that year a couple of times with a couple of different girls. The $5.75 plus parking (and gas from Gainesville to Orlando and back) added up to quite a bit from that $3.51 per hour.

Compute those figures to a decent salary for a family now and it probably is in the same ratio ballpark.

Still, $99 for a single day of amusement park is a heck of a lot of money!!

Again, I have to question how many people are actually paying that full price. I really think that it's a matter of setting the prices high enough to allow for the multitude of discounts and freebies.

[njbchbum]

[quote=buggyone;685933]

Again, I have to question how many people are actually paying that full price. I really think that it's a matter of setting the prices high enough to allow for the multitude of discounts and freebies.

one of the biggest freebies - free magic express bus from airport for those who fly and stay on property - no rental car expense and wdw has you captive! another - free dining plan when purchasing a pkg with room/tix. only offered on less popular visitation dates - and offer means reserving a budget resort - but you are on property!

[Ragman]

Food prices are absurd but it's no different than a sporting event. We went to a Rays game and a 12 ounce beer is $10.00. If I recall correctly, hot dogs were
$8.00.

Some food prices are high but much of it is affordable.

Sushi combo at Japan is about $ 1 or more than Publix.

Seasons at Epcot has fresh (veggies are raised on site) meals priced around $ 10.

Flame Tree BBQ and Yak And Yeti at AK are reasonable. Large portions. Adult couples split the entree.

Most counter service items can be split and combos can be reduced to sandwich only. Ice water is free at counter service outlets with or without purchase.

Character dining is IMO a ripoff, but if you're one a once a generation trip with kids or grand-kids, go for it.

Liquor is expensive; no Villages 241 happy hour there.

Disney is a resort and priced accordingly. You can go cheaply by cutting corners or have the lavish vacation of your life, but not both.

We have seasonal weekday passes and love going anytime we would want to go (wouldn't be caught dead there at busy seasons) and since everyday is Saturday at the Villages the weekends don't matter.

I'm just glad there is a Walt Disney World to entertain the world.

:a040:

[TexaninVA]

Yesterday, Disney followed Universal's recent price increase and is now the most expensive park in Florida. At $95.00 plus tax, it will now cost a family of four (over 10 years old) over $400.00 just to get into the Park. Add food to that cost and you have a very expensive outing for sure. My last trip to Disney cost three of us nearly $300.00, stood in lines for hours and hours and was only able to ride four rides and watch the parade. The entry fee to Disney has doubles since 2000. This price increases concerns me because I believe there are many average families with children who might never have the funds to attend either of the parks.

Wow .. .that's an eye opener. Has been a while since we've been there and you're right, a lot of money. But, OTOH, market seems to bear it thus working as it should I guess.

[DougB]

Yesterday, Disney followed Universal's recent price increase and is now the most expensive park in Florida. At $95.00 plus tax, it will now cost a family of four (over 10 years old) over $400.00 just to get into the Park. Add food to that cost and you have a very expensive outing for sure. My last trip to Disney cost three of us nearly $300.00, stood in lines for hours and hours and was only able to ride four rides and watch the parade. The entry fee to Disney has doubles since 2000. This price increases concerns me because I believe there are many average families with children who might never have the funds to attend either of the parks.

Each year many, many schools send their students on field trips to the theme parks. The school I worked at is 80% free or reduced lunch because of their families economic status. For the past 17 years I have conducted fund raisers each year to send anywhere from 75 - 100 students. Many schools do this. So for those of you who feel like Warren (who I believe has his heart in the right place) and genuinely are concerned about those whose families cannot afford to go, I am asking, no I am challenging you to seek out a school and step up and help. If you do not have the time because it may take away your tee or pool time, the schools will gladly accept monetary contributions.

OK, let the tomatoes start flying this way.

[Mack184]

I've never been to Disneyworld or the original Disneyland, and it's just not something that interests me. But...if you're going to a place like that, then I'm a believer that isn't the time to cheap out. Go there..eat the $9 Hot Dogs and drink the $12 Cokes and just have a good time. There are lots of times to save money, but if you're taking what may be a once-in-a-lifetime trip...dig into your wallet and just enjoy!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Food prices are absurd but it's no different than a sporting event. We went to a Rays game and a 12 ounce beer is $10.00. If I recall correctly, hot dogs were
$8.00.

Some food prices are high but much of it is affordable.

Sushi combo at Japan is about $ 1 or more than Publix.

Seasons at Epcot has fresh (veggies are raised on site) meals priced around $ 10.

Flame Tree BBQ and Yak And Yeti at AK are reasonable. Large portions. Adult couples split the entree.

Most counter service items can be split and combos can be reduced to sandwich only. Ice water is free at counter service outlets with or without purchase.

Character dining is IMO a ripoff, but if you're one a once a generation trip with kids or grand-kids, go for it.

Liquor is expensive; no Villages 241 happy hour there.

Disney is a resort and priced accordingly. You can go cheaply by cutting corners or have the lavish vacation of your life, but not both.

We have seasonal weekday passes and love going anytime we would want to go (wouldn't be caught dead there at busy seasons) and since everyday is Saturday at the Villages the weekends don't matter.

I'm just glad there is a Walt Disney World to entertain the world.

:a040:

We ate at Yak and Yeti last week. I had a burger and fries for $18.99. It was an excellent burger and very large, but $18.99?

[senior citizen]

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[Ragman]

We ate at Yak and Yeti last week. I had a burger and fries for $18.99. It was an excellent burger and very large, but $18.99?

Sorry,I meant the counter service cafe there, Anandapur,not the full service dining. All entrees under $11 and both couples had plenty to eat splitting. Cokes are $2.59.

Just saying a little research and planning can make things more affordable.

[graciegirl]

No matter what the price there will always be families that can't afford to bring their kids there.
Millions of people come from all over the world to experience these parks. The price doesn't seem to be driving anyone away. It's, like everything in business, simple supply and demand. If the price was too high, people would stop coming. As long as the parks fill up, the prices will increase.

The other thing is that there seems to be thousands of discount programs available. It seems that every time share operation gives out Disney tickets. I'm sure they are not paying full price. If you stay in the resorts you get a reduced price. Florida residents have numerous options to pay very low prices to vist the parks. The entrance fees are also bundled into vacation "packages" which I assume that most people visiting from out of state are buying. If you vist more than one park over a few days the price is reduced. I have to wonder how many people actually pay the $95.00 advertised price. It may be a case of marking it up so that they can offer discounts.

I also wonder what the cost is of running and maintaining these parks. They are always beautiful and clean. There seems to be constant expansion going on. Operating costs must be huge. I wouldn't want to see the quality reduced.

What was the cost of the parks when they first opened and what is the cost today adjusted for inflation? Also what are you getting today in terms of technology and experiences that you weren't getting 25 years ago.

People will always complain about prices, but we need to look at all of the factors when it comes to setting a price.

And, Disney made the Orlando area what it is today. The other parks and attractions wouldn't exist today if not for Walt's vision, Orlando would be the sleepy little horse town it was before The Magic Kingdom opened. When people hear the name Orlando, they immediately think Disney World. They are the biggest, and most famous park in the world. They should have the highest prices compared to other parks in the area. If it wasn't for Disney, Universal wouldn't exist. Or it might exist in Los Angeles.

You nailed it, Dr. Boogie. That is how it works. Free enterprise. Prices at an amusement park are not always fair or for everyone, but if you want to go really bad and you don't have a lot of money you can save and sacrifice and give up other things. Many people do that here in this great U.S.. folks are NOT excluded. Sometimes you have to wait for things and plan for things for a very long time. One of the very first thing I was taught as a little child is save your money, even if it is a little bit, over time it adds up.

[stuckinparadise]

When our children were growing up we would save money to make the trip to Disney World. Back then, the price for admission may have been cheaper but our salaries were also much less than what we are paid these days. I feel that going to Disney World is not a necessity, so if you can't afford the price, then you don't go. We love Disney World and will probably buy the season pass once we are Florida residents. BTW, Disney offers the best running events I've ever participated in my entire life. The price for these races is about 4 times the price of any other I've been in but well worth it.

[Warren Kiefer]

I hope that you didn't take my post as an attack on you or your post. You said that you didn't know and I provided the answer. My comment was aimed more toward the poster who claimed that we have a 50% poverty rate.

Itg's OK Boogie. I love the banter back and forth. One learns a lot of things in the minor debates. I did get my hands slapped for coming back at you with the complainer complaint. I will take that in stride and not let it ruin the remainder of my short life ... LOL

[villagerjack]

"Nobody goes there anymore, it is too crowded",....Yogi

[Warren Kiefer]

Each year many, many schools send their students on field trips to the theme parks. The school I worked at is 80% free or reduced lunch because of their families economic status. For the past 17 years I have conducted fund raisers each year to send anywhere from 75 - 100 students. Many schools do this. So for those of you who feel like Warren (who I believe has his heart in the right place) and genuinely are concerned about those whose families cannot afford to go, I am asking, no I am challenging you to seek out a school and step up and help. If you do not have the time because it may take away your tee or pool time, the schools will gladly accept monetary contributions.

OK, let the tomatoes start flying this way.

Absolutely wonderful post !!!!! You have hit dead center the reason for my original posting. It's not a child's fault he is born to less financially successful parents. I do know that poorer children hasve the same wishes and dreams of affluent children, but will usually be divided throughout his childhood of not seeing those dreams fufilled.. Doug, you took on this disparity in children and made a difference. I applaud you !!!!

[villagerjack]

DIS Basic Chart | Walt Disney Company (The) Commo Stock - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=DIS+Basic+Chart)

If we bought the stock in 'overpriced" compamies instead of complaining about the cost, we could have easily paid for our admission. Disney is up more than 50%. same is true for our cable and telephone companies and these comanies offer dividends as well.

[graciegirl]

Absolutely wonderful post !!!!! You have hit dead center the reason for my original posting. It's not a child's fault he is born to less financially successful parents. I do know that poorer children hasve the same wishes and dreams of affluent children, but will usually be divided throughout his childhood of not seeing those dreams fufilled.. Doug, you took on this disparity in children and made a difference. I applaud you !!!!

AND there are children who will be born into families that cannot afford certain things that will grow up to change the family they live in to be able to have the things they long for.

I grew up reading book after book after book on ballet and ballerinas and drew pictures of them and danced around our living room a lot..but our family didn't have the money for dance lessons, my friends families didn't either. I don't think the world lost a gifted ballerina in me, AND we were able to give our girls dance lessons and that made me feel better although they weren't too shot down with dancing in tutus.:loco:

I don't think it is a big deal. I don't. Dreamers will dream and plan to get where they want to go. There are things that are a right and things that are a privilege and doing without some of those fancy things as kids makes you appreciate them when you are able to get them for yourself.

I think Doug is a great guy and I applaud his efforts, but in the scheme of things, missing out on going to Disney as a child is not a huge, HUGE thing. Some parents are putting that money in a college fund and that is the choice they are making. Just think how much one of those big tattoos cost and how everyone can't afford them.

Be nice, Gracie.

[George Bieniaszek]

The best deal around is to take advantage of the discount yearly passes for Florida residents. My wife and I have renewed our passes for a second year now and enjoy our day trips to Disney. We chose the Weekday pass (Mon-Fri) and they do have blackout dates that basically correspond to school vacations and all summer, times that we wouldn't go anyway because of the additional crowds.

As far as food, we agree that the prices are outrageous, so we usually go to one park in the morning, then leave and go somewhere close to eat, i.e. Friendly's, Golden Corral, etc. and come back and go to a second park. We go at a leisurely pace and not rushed to do 4 parks in a couple of days like vacationing families.

[villagerjack]

Growing up in the South Bronx, we coud not even afford a trip to the beach so our Disney water park was opening up the Fire Hydrant which we called the" Johnny Pump". Our bats were sawed off broom handles and our bases were sewers in the street. Point is that kids are very creative, do not know about poverty levels and not affording certain things could be more good than bad. I still have very fond memories of those times and forgot most of what we did when we took our kids to Disney.,

[asianthree]

Yes there is.

Disney Magic Your Way Tickets (http://www.officialticketcenter.com/Disney-Non-Expiration-Tickets.aspx)

I'm still paying 2005 prices because I bought a 10 admission hopper ticket for $350 which included 5 water parks and 5 ESPN admissions.

disney is not selling non expire...some off site still have them

[kbace6]

I don't know about any of you, but when I was a kid the possibility of going to Disney was never even a thought. We were on food stamps at one point and it never made me sad. I never felt that I went without. We went to the Rhode Island beaches once every couple of years and the rest of the time we played with all the other kids in the neighborhood who could not afford to go to Disney. In fact I can't think of anyone I knew as a child who did go to Disney. I think too much is being made about the price increase. I will say that as an adult I have been maybe half a dozen times to many of the theme parks in the Orlando area and I love them. I'm not going to admonish any business that is willing to price themselves out of any segment of the population. If someone feels left out, then that is something to work toward, a goal if you will. Everyone need a goal, even if it is one as frivolous as being able to afford to go to a theme park.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Some of these post remind of the insurance company commercial with the Peanuts gang where they think that the insurance premiums should be a nickel. An adult has to explain to them that everything can't be a nickel.

[justjim]

AND there are children who will be born into families that cannot afford certain things that will grow up to change the family they live in to be able to have the things they long for.

I grew up reading book after book after book on ballet and ballerinas and drew pictures of them and danced around our living room a lot..but our family didn't have the money for dance lessons, my friends families didn't either. I don't think the world lost a gifted ballerina in me, AND we were able to give our girls dance lessons and that made me feel better although they weren't too shot down with dancing in tutus.:loco:

I don't think it is a big deal. I don't. Dreamers will dream and plan to get where they want to go. There are things that are a right and things that are a privilege and doing without some of those fancy things as kids makes you appreciate them when you are able to get them for yourself.

I think Doug is a great guy and I applaud his efforts, but in the scheme of things, missing out on going to Disney as a child is not a huge, HUGE thing. Some parents are putting that money in a college fund and that is the choice they are making. Just think how much one of those big tattoos cost and how everyone can't afford them.

Be nice, Gracie.

I agree 100%. Nothing wrong with going to Disney but getting a good education is much more important. On a regular basis I hear where Grandma and Grandpa or Dad and Mom paid for a trip to Disney and complaining or bragging "it cost us three thousand or five thousand dollars" when they added up all the cost of hotel, plane tickets etc. etc. Maybe we got our priorities all wrong. The same people turn around and say "college cost two much----Junior is just going to have to work and take out a loan.". Disney does a great job of marketing and every kid and most adults want to go but Disney is not near as important as some other "things" in life. Boy Howdy Gracie---- How I loved to save my pop bottles, pick wild berries and sell them, mow yards and carry in coal to save for the County Fair!! That Williamson County Fair---now that was the place to go!! OP, the tickets are too darn high!! I'm taking the kids to the County Fair to see the guy wrestle the Alligator.

[janmcn]

The past two years, Disney, as well as Universal and Legoland, have had to restrict the number of guests it can admit over the Christmas holidays. We will see if that happens this year after the price increase.

[asianthree]

The past two years, Disney, as well as Universal and Legoland, have had to restrict the number of guests it can admit over the Christmas holidays. We will see if that happens this year after the price increase.

they will come christmas is magical for us

[NotGolfer]

I was 10 (I think) when Disneyland opened up in SoCal. I was a movie-goer and a dreamer BUT my parents never felt it was a priority for us to "need" to go there. I finally made it to Disneyworld in my 30's....it wasn't TOO expensive yet so we were able to include our "tweeners" in that trip. As adults now, they don't view it a huge priority to go to either attraction. Our culture has made entertainment into an "experience". As some others have said on here that growing up was where we had to "make" our own entertainment (ie. using our imaginations).

For me it was reading, riding my bike and pretending I was anything I wanted to be. I used to "act out" stories I'd read and movies I'd seen---but putting my own story-lines into it. I never felt deprived----except maybe never getting that pony I yearned for. My own kids would say that they lived a very great childhood since they lived in a community where they could ride their bikes anywhere. PLUS in the summers---the day would begin leaving the house to play with friends only to come home at mealtime.

Today so much is given to kids. They have the latest in technology yet are bored if it's taken away. Am I deviating too much from the OpEd?? I hope not! Going to the attractions has gotten way out of hand in their prices!!!

[Geewiz]

AND there are children who will be born into families that cannot afford certain things that will grow up to change the family they live in to be able to have the things they long for.

I grew up reading book after book after book on ballet and ballerinas and drew pictures of them and danced around our living room a lot..but our family didn't have the money for dance lessons, my friends families didn't either. I don't think the world lost a gifted ballerina in me, AND we were able to give our girls dance lessons and that made me feel better although they weren't too shot down with dancing in tutus.:loco:

I don't think it is a big deal. I don't. Dreamers will dream and plan to get where they want to go. There are things that are a right and things that are a privilege and doing without some of those fancy things as kids makes you appreciate them when you are able to get them for yourself.

I think Doug is a great guy and I applaud his efforts, but in the scheme of things, missing out on going to Disney as a child is not a huge, HUGE thing. Some parents are putting that money in a college fund and that is the choice they are making. Just think how much one of those big tattoos cost and how everyone can't afford them.

Be nice, Gracie.

Gracie is my hero and my heroin. We have such a relatively short time on this mortal coil, winning or losing here is small potatoes.

Still, the joy of seeing a child experience the magic of Disney illusion is a wonder and going there helps us reconnect with our younger, innocent selves. I go because I become a kid again.

Hating to make the same point again, if the money goes to adding rides and shorter waits, the additional cost is fine....kids get more experience in their limited time at the park. If it's just to maximize the already large profits...that's a rip.

I have a yearly pass with parking. I resent waiting 2 hours for a 5 minute ride. Disney attendance went up substantially last year. Hey guys, build some more E ticket rides. Bring back old favs like Mr. Toad. Build a new land or new park. Reduce the congestion. Make the kids happy.

[janmcn]

Gracie is my hero and my heroin. We have such a relatively short time on this mortal coil, winning or losing here is small potatoes.

Still, the joy of seeing a child experience the magic of Disney illusion is a wonder and going there helps us reconnect with our younger, innocent selves. I go because I become a kid again.

Hating to make the same point again, if the money goes to adding rides and shorter waits, the additional cost is fine....kids get more experience in their limited time at the park. If it's just to maximize the already large profits...that's a rip.

I have a yearly pass with parking. I resent waiting 2 hours for a 5 minute ride. Disney attendance went up substantially last year. Hey guys, build some more E ticket rides. Bring back old favs like Mr. Toad. Build a new land or new park. Reduce the congestion. Make the kids happy.

Disney just completed the largest expansion of the Magic Kindom in the park's history, with more to come in 2014. Realizing that this section of the park would not benefit the adult visitors, but Disney can only be expected to do so much, so quickly.


https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/events-tours/magic-kingdom/new-fantasyland/

[mac6115cd]

Ever been to WDW and not been overrun by foreign tourists? Theme park prices are being driven by foreigners. The dollar is cheaper in other currancuies and as long as they keep coming, the prices will continue to rise - again, supply and demand.

[justjim]

Disney just completed the largest expansion of the Magic Kindom in the park's history, with more to come in 2014. Realizing that this section of the park would not benefit the adult visiters, but Disney can only be expected to do so much, so quickly.


https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/events-tours/magic-kingdom/new-fantasyland/

As our grand kids have gotten older they began to "drop" Disney and prefer Busch Gardens with all the larger and many Roller Coasters. The little ones no doubt love Disney. It seems to me that Disney could do themselves a favor by a Theme Park of attractions and rides aimed at the teenage population. That's been our experience. A Disney ticket is just not worth the price for The teenagers who might only get to ride three or four rides all day long. They did enjoy watching the guy wrestle the alligator at the Lake County Fair. If I remember correctly, it cost about $20.00 for a day pass!!

[Indy-Guy]

To get the best bang for your buck at Disney and other Orlando attractions see the site below. It even shows you how to you can still purchase tickets at the old prices and get discounts. One of my favorite sections is telling you what you can do at Disney free. There is a lot of information on this site.

MouseSavers.com - Your source for Disney discounts, codes & deals! (http://www.mousesavers.com/)

[Number 6]

Some of these post remind of the insurance company commercial with the Peanuts gang where they think that the insurance premiums should be a nickel. An adult has to explain to them that everything can't be a nickel.

Perfect. I don't think that Disney ever had the intention of being a social service agency or part of the Federal "War on Poverty".

[wendyquat]

There a whole bunch of people out there that can't afford their next meal or decent clothes to send their kids to school in. I worry more about them than the cost of Disney or any theme park.

:agree:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Hating to make the same point again, if the money goes to adding rides and shorter waits, the additional cost is fine....kids get more experience in their limited time at the park. If it's just to maximize the already large profits...that's a rip.

It's a rip off for a company to want to maximize it's profits? Really? I don't think that I know of any company that wants to maximize it's profits. Aren't we still a capitalist society? Are profits now somehow immoral?

Another thing to look at is that Disney is a publicly traded company. Many of us may have shares hidden in our retirement accounts. Doesn't the management of Disney< and every other public corporation for that matter, have a duty and responsibility to make as much money for its investors as possible.

The parks are too crowded. Raising the prices doesn't seem to deter people from coming. Disney would be shirking it's responsibility to it's investors, which could be you and I, if they didn't raise their prices. Don't you want to see your investment portfolio grow? Don't you want to have more money for your retirement? How do you think that money is made?

[senior citizen]

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[jojo]

To the OP, thank you for originating this thread. I've learned a lot of helpful information.

[Geewiz]

It's a rip off for a company to want to maximize it's profits? Really? I don't think that I know of any company that wants to maximize it's profits. Aren't we still a capitalist society? Are profits now somehow immoral?

Another thing to look at is that Disney is a publicly traded company. Many of us may have shares hidden in our retirement accounts. Doesn't the management of Disney< and every other public corporation for that matter, have a duty and responsibility to make as much money for its investors as possible.

The parks are too crowded. Raising the prices doesn't seem to deter people from coming. Disney would be shirking it's responsibility to it's investors, which could be you and I, if they didn't raise their prices. Don't you want to see your investment portfolio grow? Don't you want to have more money for your retirement? How do you think that money is made?

Jim - I have no problem with businesses making money. But, they do have an obligation to take care of their customers and provide value for cost. Want to raise prices...fine. But, then enhance value. Disney parks are making a ton of cash....they are not hurting. But, lines are getting longer (there is an app that will give you real time line wait times). Paying a hundred per person just to send them to a 75 minute line for a 5 minute ride is a rip.

The new fantasyland will be fun but only increase the volume of folks at that park. The 2 lower attendance parks are The Studio and Animal Kingdom. Add Cars Land to the Studio and get Avatar up and running at Animal Kingdom.

Also a new theme park like Disney Seas (existing in Japan) will go a long way to absorb crowds, lower wait times and bring more joy.

All is need is love.

[asianthree]

This sounds awful but we go without kids, have you ever seen happy kids by noon, they are tired hungry and want a nap..but mom and dad are going to keep going because it was too much money

[senior citizen]

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[jblum315]

I know lots of adults who seem to think that "going to Disney" (without kids of course)is the ultimate vacation. I personally don't buy it. Crowds, overpriced meals - I can think of a dozen more attractive vacation spots in Florida and hundreds outside of Florida.

[senior citizen]

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[Bavarian]

Disney World has changed. Before there was the Magic Kningdom Club, my parents used to drive down from DE and get 4 days and three nights, with tickets, a show, a lunch and a dinner for $450. Bringing back the ticket to ride would help then people who do not want to ride the roller coasters they are putting in would not pay for them. Magic Kingdom has deteriated as Tomorrow Land morphed into Fansasty Land.

Reason prices went up was that Walt Disney Enterprises was going broke, and the management decided to raise prices at the Parks until people stopped going. And the prices went up and the people still keep coming.
Being close to Disney World Parks with Florida Resident passes was a big plus for moving to the Villages.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Reason prices went up was that Walt Disney Enterprises was going broke, and the management decided to raise prices at the Parks until people stopped going. And the prices went up and the people still keep coming.

I don't know if they were going broke or not, but what you've described is a normal business practice that any good responsible business person would follow.
Every business in the world wants to keep their prices as high as possible without losing customers.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Jim - I have no problem with businesses making money. But, they do have an obligation to take care of their customers and provide value for cost.

I have to respectfully disagree. Businesses only have an obligation to make money. If they are not taking care of customers and providing value for costs, customers will stop coming.
Disney is obviously providing value as millions of people go there every year and millions return. Millions of people are obviously willing to pay the prices to enjoy these parks. That is basically the definition of value.

The value of an item or service is whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

[sandybill2]

We have Florida Season Passes---have since our move here in 2007----we go to Disney World at least 10 times a year---stay two nights at Hawthorne Inn and Suites in Lake Buena Vista--a hotel that we love. Just got back this morning. We went to Hollywood Park on Monday and Magic Kingdom yesterday. Both parks were very crowded----don't think the price increase will affect those that want to have this experience with their families. They also went up on Parking from 14.00 to 15.00. We love Disney---even when crowded---a beautiful place to walk and people watch---since we have passes we aren't too concerned with lines, etc.,-- if there is something we like to do, we wait until our visit when the Park is less crowded.

[justjim]

I have to respectfully disagree. Businesses only have an obligation to make money. If they are not taking care of customers and providing value for costs, customers will stop coming.
Disney is obviously providing value as millions of people go there every year and millions return. Millions of people are obviously willing to pay the prices to enjoy these parks. That is basically the definition of value.

The value of an item or service is whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

Some think a business has an obligation to the community that supports it. Disney maybe a bit different ----one third foreign customers which drive up the prices some believe. From pure capitalistic perspective you are correct. ;)

[Geewiz]

I don't mean to get into a debate on capitalist principles...but, Disney is in the business of entertainment and customer service. A large part of their reputation is built on providing great experiences. If the rep gets tarnished it will hurt the overall brand.

Right now Expedition Everest has a 70 minute wait. Kilimanjaro Safaris is 65 minutes. Soarin' is close to 2 hours. Test Track 95 minutes. Peter Pan's Flight a bit over an hour. Splash Mountain is 85 minutes. Space Mountain 100 minutes.

These wait times will wreck the child's experience. It hurts the brand. Disney isn't BP. It isn't Monsanto. Raise prices and give less wasn't Walt's vision. It's time for them to pony-up if they want to raise prices. Not doing so is exceedingly shortsighted.

[DougB]

These wait times will wreck the child's experience. It hurts the brand. Disney isn't BP. It isn't Monsanto. Raise prices and give less wasn't Walt's vision. It's time for them to pony-up if they want to raise prices. Not doing so is exceedingly shortsighted.

Walt's dead, there a new sheriff in town with a new vision.

[ddan32162]

We took our 2 grandsons to Disney in 2007, and by the end of the day, I said I would never go back. The wait for the "rides" was ridiculous, the food was typical fast food, but super expensive, the two grandsons were in tears when we left because grandpa and I said we weren't waiting 2 hours for such and such a ride . . ..... the crowds were horrendous, etc., etc., etc. But,,,, that is just my opinion. I much prefer Homassasa Springs, Gatorland, Kennedy Space Center, Silver Springs, Florida Aquarium, Tampa Zoo, etc., etc. All of them kid friendly. Disney is Disney, and I suppose everyone wants to go there once. As for me, I will not return.

[janmcn]

We took our 2 grandsons to Disney in 2007, and by the end of the day, I said I would never go back. The wait for the "rides" was ridiculous, the food was typical fast food, but super expensive, the two grandsons were in tears when we left because grandpa and I said we weren't waiting 2 hours for such and such a ride . . ..... the crowds were horrendous, etc., etc., etc. But,,,, that is just my opinion. I much prefer Homassasa Springs, Gatorland, Kennedy Space Center, Silver Springs, Florida Aquarium, Tampa Zoo, etc., etc. All of them kid friendly. Disney is Disney, and I suppose everyone wants to go there once. As for me, I will not return.



Does Disney not have the Fast Pass system any longer? My niece would sign us up, and we would get a time frame of 15 minutes to show up and walk right onto the rides. This seemed to work very well for the rides that have a long wait.

My family loved staying at the Wilderness Lodge right on the property on their last visit last year. They were allowed to check in at 10:00am, as soon as they arrived, and could leave the car there until after the fireworks on the day of check-out. They said they had great rooms, great restaurants, super pool, and all this just a ten minute boat ride from Fantasy Island.

[Geewiz]

Fast passes exist...but, they can "sell out." There is a free app for Iphones that will give you wait times and when fast passes are available (and for what hours).

BTW - to help understand the waits at Disney...this might help explain:

Here is a look at the Disney and Orlando area rankings for 2012.

1. Magic Kingdom 17,536,000 +2.3% change
2. Disneyland 15,963,000 -1.1% change
3. Tokyo Disneyland 14,847,000 +8.5% change
4. Tokyo Disney Sea 12,656,000 +8.5% change
5. Disneyland Park at Disneyland Paris 11,200,000 +1.9%
6. Epcot 11,063,000 +2.2%
7. Disney's Animal Kingdom 9,998,999 +2.2%
8. Disney's Hollywood Studios 9,912,000 +2.2%
9. Universal Studios Japan 9,700,000 +14.1%
10. Islands of Adventure 7,981,000 +4%
11. Disney California Adventure 7,775,000 +22.6%
14. Hong Kong Disneyland 6,700,000 +13.6%
15. Universal Studios Orlando 6,195,000 +2.5%
19. Sea World Florida 5,358,000 +3.0%
20. Walt Disney Studios Park at Disneyland Paris 4,800,000 1.9%
23. Busch Gardens Tampa Bay 4,348,000 +1.5%

[buggyone]

We took our 2 grandsons to Disney in 2007, and by the end of the day, I said I would never go back. The wait for the "rides" was ridiculous, the food was typical fast food, but super expensive, the two grandsons were in tears when we left because grandpa and I said we weren't waiting 2 hours for such and such a ride . . ..... the crowds were horrendous, etc., etc., etc. But,,,, that is just my opinion. I much prefer Homassasa Springs, Gatorland, Kennedy Space Center, Silver Springs, Florida Aquarium, Tampa Zoo, etc., etc. All of them kid friendly. Disney is Disney, and I suppose everyone wants to go there once. As for me, I will not return.

Just kind of wondering, where were the grandson's parents on this day of "family happiness"?

It this was the summer and it was just the grandkids, you, and Gramps - you should have known about the ridiculously long lines at the popular rides and the very expensive prices for fast food. At knowing about the long lines and expensive prices, as the adults in the group, you could have said that you are going to Homassasa Springs - and no one would have complained. If one of the grandkids did start whining about going to Disney World - just tell them it is closed for park maintenance that week.

If your son/daughter was also there, you and Gramps could have opted to sit on one of the many shaded park benches whilst (I like that word) the others stood in line for all the Disney stuff.

[Outbacker]

I happen to believe that a trip to a Disney park is one of the best values around. When you consider the price of a pro sporting event, a theatre ticket, or even a movie and compare the entertainment cost per hour of those to a trip to a Disney park, Disney is a better value in my opinion.

[Warren Kiefer]

I happen to believe that a trip to a Disney park is one of the best values around. When you consider the price of a pro sporting event, a theatre ticket, or even a movie and compare the entertainment cost per hour of those to a trip to a Disney park, Disney is a better value in my opinion.

My last trip to Disney wasn't nearly as entertaining as you describe. Of the 10 hours we were there, we stood in line for more than 6 hours waiting for those 5 minute rides. I figure each of those four rides cost me somewhere around $60.00.

[Outbacker]

My last trip to Disney wasn't nearly as entertaining as you describe. Of the 10 hours we were there, we stood in line for more than 6 hours waiting for those 5 minute rides. I figure each of those four rides cost me somewhere around $60.00.

So....you didn't enjoy it because it was too crowded...but you want Disney to significantly lower the ticket price to make it more crowded?:doh:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Does Disney not have the Fast Pass system any longer? My niece would sign us up, and we would get a time frame of 15 minutes to show up and walk right onto the rides. This seemed to work very well for the rides that have a long wait.

My family loved staying at the Wilderness Lodge right on the property on their last visit last year. They were allowed to check in at 10:00am, as soon as they arrived, and could leave the car there until after the fireworks on the day of check-out. They said they had great rooms, great restaurants, super pool, and all this just a ten minute boat ride from Fantasy Island.

The Fast Pass system is great, but it took me one visit to understand how it works. Once I understood it, I found that you are only allowed to sign up for one Fast Pass per hour.
It takes a few visits and some planning but the way to work the system to go get a Fast Pass as soon as you enter the park. While you are waiting for your time, vist some attractions that don't have Fast Pass. When your hour is up immediately get another Fast Pass and vist more attractions. The thing is that it may take a lot of walking around to do this and I'm sure that as we vist more and more we will figure it all out.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't mean to get into a debate on capitalist principles...but, Disney is in the business of entertainment and customer service. A large part of their reputation is built on providing great experiences. If the rep gets tarnished it will hurt the overall brand.

Right now Expedition Everest has a 70 minute wait. Kilimanjaro Safaris is 65 minutes. Soarin' is close to 2 hours. Test Track 95 minutes. Peter Pan's Flight a bit over an hour. Splash Mountain is 85 minutes. Space Mountain 100 minutes.

These wait times will wreck the child's experience. It hurts the brand. Disney isn't BP. It isn't Monsanto. Raise prices and give less wasn't Walt's vision. It's time for them to pony-up if they want to raise prices. Not doing so is exceedingly shortsighted.

I agree with this 100%. Bu this is very different than saying that they have an obligation to provide a good experience or clean park or anything. What you are saying here is basically the same as what I said. They will do all these things because it is good for business.
We'll have to wait and see if the way that they are currently running things is going to hurt their business or not. I say that people will keep coming and will keep returning.
As you showed in another post, they are up 2.2% this year. Lests see if they go up next year. If business stops expanding, I'm sure you'll see changes.

[senior citizen]

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[Warren Kiefer]

So....you didn't enjoy it because it was too crowded...but you want Disney to significantly lower the ticket price to make it more crowded?:doh:

Did you ever hear of having a limit on attendees ??? Every theatre, concert, ball games and other venues have a limit on how many persons can attend. What I was saying is, my belief that when a person enters one of the theme parks they expect to be awed, amused and entertained, don't those glossy pamplets and commercials say that will be exactly what you should expect ??? Do you really think that a family of four as they enter the gates having spent over $400 have the mind set and expect, "lets's go walk around for hours, stand in long lines for six hours , ride on rides for maybe 20 minutes and spend $100 for lunch and have a great time"????

[ddan32162]

Just kind of wondering, where were the grandson's parents on this day of "family happiness"?

It this was the summer and it was just the grandkids, you, and Gramps - you should have known about the ridiculously long lines at the popular rides and the very expensive prices for fast food. At knowing about the long lines and expensive prices, as the adults in the group, you could have said that you are going to Homassasa Springs - and no one would have complained. If one of the grandkids did start whining about going to Disney World - just tell them it is closed for park maintenance that week.

If your son/daughter was also there, you and Gramps could have opted to sit on one of the many shaded park benches whilst (I like that word) the others stood in line for all the Disney stuff.

We had the grandsons staying with us for 2 weeks during the summer -- the parents live in 2 different states - they're divorced. Duh. And why would we "sit on the park benches" after paying the admission price -- Think this over again -- I simply said I did not enjoy it and would not return. I have been to all of the other venues I mentioned, and they were great.

[Gerald]

It is really very simple. If you feel the price is too high don't go. Complaining about something you have no control over is a waste of time. Personally I think the place is fun safe and worth the money.

[janmcn]

Did you ever hear of having a limit on attendees ??? Every theatre, concert, ball games and other venues have a limit on how many persons can attend. What I was saying is, my belief that when a person enters one of the theme parks they expect to be awed, amused and entertained, don't those glossy pamplets and commercials say that will be exactly what you should expect ??? Do you really think that a family of four as they enter the gates having spent over $400 have the mind set and expect, "lets's go walk around for hours, stand in long lines for six hours , ride on rides for maybe 20 minutes and spend $100 for lunch and have a great time"????


Disney does shut down the main gate when attendance reaches a certain number. This happened the past few years during the Christmas vacation periods.

Universal and Legoland also closed their gates during those same periods. The larger parks were able to reopen after people started leaving, but Legoland, which closes earlier, just remained closed for the day.

[asianthree]

We go to Disney every year..without kid's. ..I spent x my money anyway I want..and its at Disney food and wine festival