confused about golf course rules..

[kittygilchrist]

Is it ok for golfers to go on residences to collect a ball?
Is it ok for homeowners to go on the course after hours for leisure?

[Applepie]

Some people don't mind a golfer retrieving their ball if they don't step on the flowers. Some people practically have guard dogs guarding their yards to keep golfers away. I feel if you buy on a golf course, it is part of the territory to have a few golf balls land in your back yard once in a while. Get use to it! Just my opinion.

[Ceafolks]

[QUOTE=kittygilchrist;693239]Is it ok for golfers to go on residences to collect a ball?
Is it ok for homeowners to go on the course after hours for leisure?[/QUOTE

The answer to your questions is no and no.

[Bogie Shooter]

Is it ok for golfers to go on residences to collect a ball?
Is it ok for homeowners to go on the course after hours for leisure?

This is a good source for golf in TV.
http://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-in-the-villages/GoodGolfGuide1.13.pdf

[kittygilchrist]

I'm getting the sense that golfers on residences is against the rules but many golfers ignore the rule and golfers in their party go along with it, and the course attendants and Ambassadors--how do they respond?
Anybody know the legality of liability issues if a golfer is injured on a residence fetching a ball?

[Bogie Shooter]

I'm getting the sense that golfers on residences is against the rules but many golfers ignore the rule and golfers in their party go along with it, and the course attendants and Ambassadors--how do they respond?
Anybody know the legality of liability issues if a golfer is injured on a residence fetching a ball?

Are you a golf course property owner? Or a golfer?

[suebanj]

We live on a golf course, and we really don't mind golfers coming to retrieve their balls...Just no stomping on the flowers, etc! We've even helped some find their "Oops" shots!! Just our opinion....

[keywest]

Are you a golf course property owner? Or a golfer?

The golf course rules clearly state that the golfers may not retrieve their balls from a homeowners property. Also to know that you've done damage and skulk away is not right.

[kittygilchrist]

Are you a golf course property owner? Or a golfer?

Bogey, I'm new here, not golfing yet, own on a course and trying to understand the culture of the community. Seems as in all places, some folks keep the rules and some don't. Reading the rules doesn't help much without knowing what people actually do and what the consequences of our actions might be.
K.

[Bogie Shooter]

Bogey, I'm new here, not golfing yet, own on a course and trying to understand the culture of the community. Seems as in all places, some folks keep the rules and some don't. Reading the rules doesn't help much without knowing what people actually do and what the consequences of our actions might be.
K.

You will enjoy life the most if you don't put a little sign in your yard to tell golfers to stay out or stand in the lanai and shout at the golfers.
BTW don't get upset when the golf balls hit your roof...............it comes with the beautiful view!

[bkcunningham1]

I live on a golf course too. If someone hits onto your property, the ball is out of bounds. Some people will retrieve the ball, some will leave it and take the appropriate penalty and start from where they shot the out of bounds shot and others will shoot from your property. It depends on whether or not they know the rules and whether or not they care about the rules.

If I happen to be outside and see that they are going to shoot from my property, I'll go outside my screen room so they can see me. My husband says I'm giving them something to shoot for.



"It is good sportsmanship not to pick up lost balls while they are still rolling." Mark Twain

[gmcneill]

Kitty:

Technically, golfers coming onto a homeowner's property or a homeowner going onto the golf course for leisure is trespassing.

That said, until last month, we owned a home adjacent to Hole 6 on the Yankee Clipper course.

I didn't mind when golfers came onto my yard to retrieve a clearly visible ball.

I did mind when golfers attempted to scour my yard and shrub beds in search of a ball.
(In those situations, me stepping out of the lanai with a silent, stern look usually ended the search. Usually. One time, however, a golfer became mouthy and accused me of stealing his ball. I replied, Yep. You're right. I swiped your used ball to sell it to help me pay for this house.)

I had an issue when a golfer (3 separate occasions) set up to hit a shot from my yard.

I had a serious issue when a golfer (2 separate occasions) attempted to u-turn a golf cart in my yard.

So, your assessment is accurate: when it comes to retrieving golf balls, not everyone chooses to obey the law or observe the rules of common courtesy and etiquette.

[justjim]

[QUOTE=kittygilchrist;693239]Is it ok for golfers to go on residences to collect a ball?
Is it ok for homeowners to go on the course after hours for leisure?[/QUOTE

The answer to your questions is no and no.

:thumbup: EXACTLY

[queasy27]

Okay, now I'm curious -- do homeowners have any resourse when golfers trespess, stomp flowers, leave divots, etc.? Other than confronting the miscreants directly, should the property owner try to contact an ambassador? "Uh, it was an older gentleman in a white polo shirt. Driving a golf cart."

[kaydee]

I would like to think that golfers would use some common sense but sadly that is not always the case. Common sense tells me that I have no right to enter private property. If my ball is reachable from the course I retrieve it. If it clearly is in someone's yard or flowers then I feel I have no right to go wandering around on their property and I work a little harder at hitting a straight ball. Just my opinion!

[graciegirl]

I would like to think that golfers would use some common sense but sadly that is not always the case. Common sense tells me that I have no right to enter private property. If my ball is reachable from the course I retrieve it. If it clearly is in someone's yard or flowers then I feel I have no right to go wandering around on their property and I work a little harder at hitting a straight ball. Just my opinion!

Well said. Golfers that I have known all my life who played on ONE golf course or another that we lived on would NEVER go into anyone's yard, but anonymity is sometimes the cause for bad behavior in this place with multiple golf courses where you are not known or recognized and on this forum too.

Golfers are usually gentlemen and gentlewomen. Those who would go into someone's yard or hit a ball back at someone even if they were hit into are people who do not know the rules or don't care about the rules and in golf that makes them crumb bums.

[kittygilchrist]

wow, gmcneill, those things haven't happened yet and I hope never do. My understanding of trespass in FL is that it requires signage or prior written notice.

I called the course clubhouse to inquire about the rules and was told that even tho there's a rule against it, most people don't mind golfers coming onto their property to retrieve a ball. Clearly the person who answered had no interest whether the rule was being followed.




Kitty:

Technically, golfers coming onto a homeowner's property or a homeowner going onto the golf course for leisure is trespassing.

That said, until last month, we owned a home adjacent to Hole 6 on the Yankee Clipper course.

I didn't mind when golfers came onto my yard to retrieve a clearly visible ball.

I did mind when golfers attempted to scour my yard and shrub beds in search of a ball.
(In those situations, me stepping out of the lanai with a silent, stern look usually ended the search. Usually. One time, however, a golfer became mouthy and accused me of stealing his ball. I replied, Yep. You're right. I swiped your used ball to sell it to help me pay for this house.)

I had an issue when a golfer (3 separate occasions) set up to hit a shot from my yard.

I had a serious issue when a golfer (2 separate occasions) attempted to u-turn a golf cart in my yard.

So, your assessment is accurate: when it comes to retrieving golf balls, not everyone chooses to obey the law or observe the rules of common courtesy and etiquette.

[jimmy D]

A golf ball on a residences yard is Out of Bounds so therefore the ball is lost and unplayable. Since the ball is lost and not on your property, you should not go get the residences ball (it is now their ball not yours). The Country Clubs are Private Property and are supposed to be off limits unless you paid the Green Fees. Exec Courses, you need to have been checked in with the Starter first. Not sure how it really works

[gmcneill]

Kitty:

Trespassing on residential property occurs UNLESS the owner expressly invites the individual onto the property. Exceptions: an individual performing work in course and scope of job: meter reader, law enforcement officer, etc.

Depending on the type of non-residential property, there are issues of limited access and implied access to consider whether a trespass has occurred or not. And consequently, whether signage (warning) is required.

I hope that the worst situation you encounter is someone picking up a clearly visible ball.

Candidly, I would never have imagined the possibility that any of the other three scenarios would occur.

Apparently, except for making a u-turn, golfers searching yards/plant beds for a lost ball and/or hitting a shot from one's yard occurs more often than one would expect.

George

[ronat1]

Bogey, I'm new here, not golfing yet, own on a course and trying to understand the culture of the community. Seems as in all places, some folks keep the rules and some don't. Reading the rules doesn't help much without knowing what people actually do and what the consequences of our actions might be.
K.

As you will find with this topic and every other topic of concern in TV, there are no consequences to anyone's actions and and that is generally the reason why people continue doing what they do. Mainly, because they can and no one will hold them accountable. Don't get me wrong because I am happy here in TV and have no plans on leaving but, as the population increases the instances of inconsiderate, ignorant and stupid actions will increase on a proportionate level. They don't teach common sense in any educational level and it shows. Either you have it or you don't!! OK, I'm done.

[memason]

This common sense stuff cuts both ways.... I would think it common sense that someone living on a golf course would expect [and allow] folks to walk into their lawn to retrieve a golf ball. It does no damage to your lawn for someone to walk to a ball and carry it out.

It's not a big deal....

[keywest]

This common sense stuff cuts both ways.... I would think it common sense that someone living on a golf course would expect [and allow] folks to walk into their lawn to retrieve a golf ball. It does no damage to your lawn for someone to walk to a ball and carry it out.

It's not a big deal....




The golfers that are being talked about are
A. Ones that have had the nerve to even walk up to the house windows looking for their ball
B. Continue then to hit the ball out of the yard
C. And worse yet, do damage and know they do ( such as breaking a window or glass door) and then move quickly away without a second thought)

If you read the golf course rules ( and if you are a golfer then you should know these rules) it clearly states that a golfer may not retrieve his/her ball out of a homeowners yard.

[quirky3]

Here's a thread on the subject that is very....revealing
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/ive-seen-all-literally-62980/

[kbace6]

Kitty:

Technically, golfers coming onto a homeowner's property or a homeowner going onto the golf course for leisure is trespassing.

That said, until last month, we owned a home adjacent to Hole 6 on the Yankee Clipper course.

I didn't mind when golfers came onto my yard to retrieve a clearly visible ball.

I did mind when golfers attempted to scour my yard and shrub beds in search of a ball.
(In those situations, me stepping out of the lanai with a silent, stern look usually ended the search. Usually. One time, however, a golfer became mouthy and accused me of stealing his ball. I replied, Yep. You're right. I swiped your used ball to sell it to help me pay for this house.)

I had an issue when a golfer (3 separate occasions) set up to hit a shot from my yard.

I had a serious issue when a golfer (2 separate occasions) attempted to u-turn a golf cart in my yard.

So, your assessment is accurate: when it comes to retrieving golf balls, not everyone chooses to obey the law or observe the rules of common courtesy and etiquette.

Kitty, I have a great idea. Set up your irrigation system with a motion sensor! Turn the motion sensor on anytime you are not in your back yard. If someone comes into your yard with a cart or by foot, they get soaked! Problem solved.

:evil6:

[kittygilchrist]

KB, funny! I'd mostly soak myself!

[PaPaLarry]

Actually speaking, most people do let you retrieve ball from their property. Most golfers are considerate of peoples property, and most owners are golfers and understand. (As long as you don't ride cart on their grass) Courtesy can work both ways

[Golfingnut]

Are you a golf course property owner? Or a golfer?

Beware when you are asked a question that you may be flamed no matter how yo respond

[kittygilchrist]

Getting a sense of the community, the scorecard on this thread:
Yes, getting the ball is OK.........5 posts
No, getting the ball in not OK...10 posts
Info/links/questions.................7 posts

[Mikeod]

Buying a home on a golf course does not grant golfers permission to enter your yard to retrieve golf balls. It's nice that some homeowners don't mind people coming into their yard to retrieve a ball. The problems arise when people take advantage and traipse all over the yard searching for a ball.

Personally, I won't enter a yard to get my ball. If I can see it and reach it with a ball retriever, I will do that. But I am not comfortable walking into a yard and/or conducting a search. If I can't see it from the course and reach it with a retriever, it's gone.

And, as posted above, that's the rule here.

[Bogie Shooter]

Beware when you are asked a question that you may be flamed no matter how yo respond

Flaming was not the intent....................................

[ajbrown]

Years ago one of my neighbors that never played on the championship courses asked me to take their son golfing when he visited. I said sure, it will be fun. He had clubs and described himself as a weekend golfer and off we went.

We went over to Tierra and he rode in my cart. Number 5 is a par 3 about 160-170 yards if I recall. Well he hozzles one towards the OB on the right about half way to green. He grabs a couple of clubs and putter and starts to walk from the tee box to find it. he did not hit a provisional, so I assumed he would just drop one if OB. We had no match, he can do whatever we wishes, although I could not have imagined what his wish would be!

I drive up to the green and as I get out of my cart and look back to see if he found it he had just hit from someone's yard :22yikes:

I was shocked and embarrassed and although I straightened him out it was too late. As a favor I take him every year, but he is now on a very short leash.

[kittygilchrist]

Flaming was not the intent....................................

Noper, this has been a respectful and enlightening discussion, all the way.
Kitty

[rubicon]

Usually a golf course stipulates to the issue of trespass. The Villages clearly establishes this practice as trespass. In most situations and on all golf courses here a homeowners back lot is too close to the course. Consequently it does not take much to hit into someone's yard. I have seen some golf course home owners responses from trespassers from yelling at them , posting notices, landscapping creating a barrier that prevents a golfer from entering, homeowners who have walked out in front of the golfer picked up his ball and walk away. One homeowner was reported to have called the sheriff everytime someone came on his property while another was said to have turned her hose on trespassers. One homeowner had a sign posted that said if you hit on his property you needed a golf lesson and don't trespass.

In that same vein I have seen and heard golfers who believe that people who buy a golf course lot deserve what they get, while others respect homeowners privacy. I have seen golfers search for a golf ball as if it was their most expensive possession and some who have driven on people's property and hit balls from their yard.

IMHO view if without real effort a golfer can reach over and scoop a ball up fine but come on its only a ball and there is an endless supply of them on the shelves of many many stores.

[Rbgold]

I have a funny story on this topic: Our new home is on the Bonifay/Pensacola course. We started to move in in early March (snowflakes for now) and brought our dog Barney to get him acclimated to the new home & environment. Being from NJ, a lanai was something new for him to explore. Very quickly he claimed the lanai as his turf and would often bark at the golfers and carts passing by. Every time I heard him making noises out there, I would issue one of his training commands - "leave it!" - so that he knew that his behavior was unacceptable and he needed to stop.
One afternoon I was taking a break from unpacking & chilling on the lanai with Barney when an errant golf ball landed on our property. I probably don't have to finish this story, but I will! The golfer approaches to look for his ball, Barney starts to growl, I issue Barney the "leave it" command, the golfer hears me, stops dead in his tracks and does an about face never retrieving his ball! Was my face red!! :oops:

DH told me that should teach me from talking too loud in the future! :shrug:

[Bambi]

When we moved to a golf course lo, we were extremely nice to golfers even offering a beer from our lanai tapper. However, I am not as friendly now. On several occasions,I have found golfers in my FRONT yard searching for balls. I have had my garden decoration stolen-witnessed by a neighbor, people hitting a ball well within my property, and one man replied !" ....you", when I asked him to get out of my flowers. It is unnerving to get out of the shower and see strangers walking by the window or eating with someone two feet outside the window. Usually not only the golfer is searching in my bushes, but he has brought the rest of the foursome.

Some golfers are very polite but others , oh well. I guess they can't afford to buy a ball but they sure have nice carts. I do enjoy the increasing rare polite ones and have even offered shelter during storms or a ride back to the parking lot to those walking the course during inclement weather
I guess my advice is if in doubt stay out. A friendly hello would go a long way.

[Trayderjoe]

As you will find with this topic and every other topic of concern in TV, there are no consequences to anyone's actions and and that is generally the reason why people continue doing what they do. Mainly, because they can and no one will hold them accountable. Don't get me wrong because I am happy here in TV and have no plans on leaving but, as the population increases the instances of inconsiderate, ignorant and stupid actions will increase on a proportionate level. They don't teach common sense in any educational level and it shows. Either you have it or you don't!! OK, I'm done.

:agree:

I could not agree more! As other posters have indicated, should I hit an errant shot and it lands on someone's property and I can't retrieve it without stepping on the property or upsetting landscaping, I consider it a lost ball and move on even if the ball is lying in plain view. If the owner expressly invites me to grab my ball, ok, but only in that particular instance.

[gomoho]

I have a funny story on this topic: Our new home is on the Bonifay/Pensacola course. We started to move in in early March (snowflakes for now) and brought our dog Barney to get him acclimated to the new home & environment. Being from NJ, a lanai was something new for him to explore. Very quickly he claimed the lanai as his turf and would often bark at the golfers and carts passing by. Every time I heard him making noises out there, I would issue one of his training commands - "leave it!" - so that he knew that his behavior was unacceptable and he needed to stop.
One afternoon I was taking a break from unpacking & chilling on the lanai with Barney when an errant golf ball landed on our property. I probably don't have to finish this story, but I will! The golfer approaches to look for his ball, Barney starts to growl, I issue Barney the "leave it" command, the golfer hears me, stops dead in his tracks and does an about face never retrieving his ball! Was my face red!! :oops:

DH told me that should teach me from talking too loud in the future! :shrug:

Loved your post - we use the "leave it" command as well and I can only imagine your tone when you said it - I MEAN BUSINESS!!!:a20:

[queasy27]

Maybe the moral of the story is ... buy a water view!

Although maybe those homeowners have stories about wandering ducks and bird poo. :laugh:

[Sanibel7]

Getting a sense of the community, the scorecard on this thread:
Yes, getting the ball is OK.........5 posts
No, getting the ball in not OK...10 posts
Info/links/questions.................7 posts

Has anyone even botherd to read the Golfing Book of do's and don'ts and other things that you can get from the starter shack? It clearly states for golfers not to retrieve golf balls from private property. Assumeing if the property owner does not mind does not make it right and you are indeed tresspassing! Play on the golf course only and you will always be o.k. There should be a sign at the starter shack to remind golfers not to go on PRIVATE PROPERTY.

[capecodbob]

So, if a golf ball strays onto the property of a home that abuts a golf course, it becomes the property of the home owner.
What if a person's dog, on one of those 40' leashes, takes a poop on the same property. Does the poop become the property of the home owner too?
:sigh:

[CFrance]

So, if a golf ball strays onto the property of a home that abuts a golf course, it becomes the property of the home owner.
What if a person's dog, on one of those 40' leashes, takes a poop on the same property. Does the poop become the property of the home owner too?
:sigh:

Unfortunately for the homeowner, yes!!:swear:

[DougB]

What if a person's dog, on one of those 40' leashes, takes a poop on the same property. Does the poop become the property of the home owner too?
:sigh:


Here we go!
:popcorn:

[Barefoot]

Trespassing on another resident's property is always wrong. Whether it's to retrieve a golf ball or to walk your dog, it's wrong!

[Sanibel7]

Trespassing on another resident's property is always wrong. Whether it's to retrieve a golf ball or to walk your dog, it's wrong!

Like Barefoot says is so true. Tresspassing is Tresspassing Period! So why are other people making up excuses? To suit them is all I can think of. Its in the Villages Golf Guide Highlighted in Yellow to never retrieve a golf ball from the yard of a resident. Sounds like some of you should take the time out to read it and not assume what you can and cannot do. You are there to play on the golf course not bother and aggrivate the residents.

[Applepie]

Once I accidently hit my tee shot into someone's yard. I saw where the ball was, did not pick it up and started to walk away. The property owner immediately yell at me to come back and pick up my ball. He said balls in his yard caused problems when cutting the grass and his dog ate them. He was not going to pick up after me, my ball my litter. So what should a person do? Pick up or not!
I thought I was doing the proper thing

[gomoho]

Maybe when you close on a home on the golf course The Villages should supply a sign - please pick up after yourself or get the hell out of my yard!

[red tail]

the only thing worse than living on the golf course is NOT living on the golf course!

[kittygilchrist]

Getting a sense of the community, the scorecard on this thread:
Yes, getting the ball is OK.........5 posts
No, getting the ball in not OK...10 posts
Info/links/questions.................7 posts

Update on the scorecard, total for thread:

Yes, getting the ball is OK.........5 posts
No, getting the ball in not OK...18 posts
Info/links/questions.................9 posts

and two new categories.....
Humor...................................5 posts
Dog poop...............................2 posts
(these topics were difficult to tell apart)

[CFrance]

Update on the scorecard, total for thread:

Yes, getting the ball is OK.........5 posts
No, getting the ball in not OK...18 posts
Info/links/questions.................9 posts

and two new categories.....
Humor...................................5 posts
Dog poop...............................2 posts
(these topics were difficult to tell apart)

Now it's six for Humor, kitty.

[CFrance]

Once I accidently hit my tee shot into someone's yard. I saw where the ball was, did not pick it up and started to walk away. The property owner immediately yell at me to come back and pick up my ball. He said balls in his yard caused problems when cutting the grass and his dog ate them. He was not going to pick up after me, my ball my litter. So what should a person do? Pick up or not!
I thought I was doing the proper thing

I don't play golf, nor do I live on a golf course, but I'll weigh in on this one. You did do the right thing, Applepie, and don't let nasty people get you down. Explain you were following the golf rules and walk away. He must have known when he moved in with his dog and lawn mower that there were going to be golf balls in his yard! His problem, not yours.

[DougB]

Update on the scorecard, total for thread:

Yes, getting the ball is OK.........5 posts
No, getting the ball in not OK...18 posts
Info/links/questions.................9 posts

and two new categories.....
Humor...................................5 posts
Dog poop...............................2 posts
(these topics were difficult to tell apart)

And the survey says....

[kittygilchrist]

This thread has been very helpful in understanding the differing expectations we Villagers hold on the issue.
There has been no discussion of liability. I'm going to propose a highly improbable situation to provoke thought as I would like to understand the implications of our actions:

The pool guy leaves the lanai door open to bring in equipment, the dog gets out just as a golfer takes 3 steps onto the property to get his ball. The dog barks aggressively, the golfer holds his club defensively at the dog and steps backward, tripping over the curl of a water hose and hits his head on the new landscape stones. The golfer requires medical treatment for a concussion.

This thread has been entirely respectful and strong opinions given without slamming. Please continue....how do you view any issues of liability?
If a poster is credentialed in law it would help to know that.

[CFrance]

This thread has been very helpful in understanding the differing expectations we Villagers hold on the issue.
There has been no discussion of liability. I'm going to propose a highly improbable situation to provoke thought as I would like to understand the implications of our actions:

The pool guy leaves the lanai door open to bring in equipment, the dog gets out just as a golfer takes 3 steps onto the property to get his ball. The dog barks aggressively, the golfer holds his club defensively at the dog and steps backward, tripping over the curl of a water hose and hits his head on the new landscape stones. The golfer requires medical treatment for a concussion.

This thread has been entirely respectful and strong opinions given without slamming. Please continue....how do you view any issues of liability?
If a poster is credentialed in law it would help to know that.

We need a lawyer for this one. Wouldn't it be the same as the situation in which anyone comes onto your property and slips and falls, and you are liable? That's why we have liability insurance and umbrella policies.

I'm just guessing, though.

[graciegirl]

I am not a lawyer but I watched Marcus Welby once. He treated a lawyer.;)

Whether a golfer is liable if he breaks your window is probably yes if you can catch him. A decent person would own up to it. Whether you are liable while he is trespasses on your property and breaks his leg, yes if he gets one of those lawyers that are always advertising on TV. And that is a shame.

MY post is just one of the reasons some people dislike me intensely. I like to talk even if I don't know what I am talking about.

I hope nothing bad happens Kitty. Golf course views have their ups and downs to be sure.

[CFrance]

I am not a lawyer but I watched Marcus Welby once. He treated a lawyer.;)

Whether a golfer is liable if he breaks your window is probably yes if you can catch him. A decent person would own up to it. Whether you are liable while he is trespasses on your property and breaks his leg, yes if he gets one of those lawyers that are always advertising on TV. And that is a shame.

MY post is just one of the reasons some people dislike me intensely. I like to talk even if I don't know what I am talking about.

I hope nothing bad happens Kitty. Golf course views have their ups and downs to be sure.

But did you at least sleep at a Holiday Inn last night?

[DougB]

Uh, Gracie, Marcus Welby was a doctor not a lawyer.
Oops seen you corrected that, great save!

[gomoho]

I think it's the pool guys fault - unless the dog pooped on the golf course while running loose.

[CFrance]

I think it's the pool guys fault - unless the dog pooped on the golf course while running loose.

Moral of the story is keep the pooch inside the house when the blundering pool guy is due to arrive.

[kittygilchrist]

The dog stayed in his own yard, contained by invisible fence.

[justjim]

There are hundreds of what reasonable people would say frivolous law suits filed everyday--- it is well known---they "clog" up our courts. On the other hand, there are obviously legitimate law suits where it is right and fair that the plaintiff be made whole. I have not heard of a lawsuit where a golfer came into an owner's yard, tripped over concrete curbing around some flowers, filed a lawsuit and the property owners found liable. Just hasn't happen. That said, the point I want to make is that nobody is "liable" until a court, judge/jury has determined (under law) that you were negligent and liable. IMHO you are more likely to received a lawsuit from somebody who is illegally trying to sell you "something" at your front door than a golfer---with poor golfing etiquette---- retrieving a golf ball from your back door. Fore!

[kittygilchrist]

:read:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/nyregion/23towns.html

Interesting NYT article "A Gold Mine for Lawsuits"
slip and fall lawsuits by the thousands...vs course owner.

I think I need an extra dose of koolaid today..thinking too much...

[kittygilchrist]

Oh no, another solicitor. He goes door to door offering to pick up stray golf balls...sheesh.

[Russ_Boston]

Here is what I do as an avid golfer and one who knows most of the rule book:

If I hit OB I leave it unless:

The house has a clear posted sign: "Please retrieve your ball if possible" or something like that. I would say about 5% of homes have some sign either Yay or Nay.

If the ball is just on the line where I can reach it without stepping on the property I will pick I up.

If the homeowner is visible (on the lanai for example) and I make eye contact I will usually ask "Do you want me to retrieve the ball". Most say "sure".

It's common sense people.

[TrudyM]

:read:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/nyregion/23towns.html

Interesting NYT article "A Gold Mine for Lawsuits"
slip and fall lawsuits by the thousands...vs course owner.

I think I need an extra dose of koolaid today..thinking too much...

From that nyt article
"INDEED, the errant golf ball is probably the least of it these days, especially as state after state has adopted a similar standard that only an intentional shot at another golfer or one showing gross and reckless negligence is grounds for a successful lawsuit. "

So if you hit when the people infront of you aren't clear it is intentional or gross negligence but it you are just hitting a really bad shot and it hits someone in their yard your' ok but they are so out of luck.

[Roaddog53]

So, if a golf ball strays onto the property of a home that abuts a golf course, it becomes the property of the home owner.
What if a person's dog, on one of those 40' leashes, takes a poop on the same property. Does the poop become the property of the home owner too?
:sigh:

I was waiting for someone to bring up the dogs in this thread! :D So of all these golf course property owners that have dogs (seen many that do) and WALK them on private property of owner's corner lots, sidewalk lots, mail stations, GOLF courses, public areas, and let them use it for their toilets, what is their "opinion" about that? Even IF they pick it up, that causes more damage with dog urine than walking on a lawn to retrieve a golf ball. The point is, they walked on someone's property too. Probably some complaining in this post walk their dogs on private property. Is there a double standard taking place here?
Sorry, just had to do it. ok, back to people thinking it's bad to walk on golf course lots. :popcorn:

[DougB]

::smiley:
You must not read TOTV often. NO ONE on TOTV allows their dogs on others' property.:thumbup:

[kittygilchrist]

I was waiting for someone to bring up the dogs in this thread! :D So of all these golf course property owners that have dogs (seen many that do) and WALK them on private property of owner's corner lots, sidewalk lots, mail stations, GOLF courses, public areas, and let them use it for their toilets, what is their "opinion" about that? Even IF they pick it up, that causes more damage with dog urine than walking on a lawn to retrieve a golf ball. The point is, they walked on someone's property too. Probably some complaining in this post walk their dogs on private property. Is there a double standard taking place here?
Sorry, just had to do it. ok, back to people thinking it's bad to walk on golf course lots. :popcorn:

Roaddog, I'd really like to know how for you personally, not just a general comment, but how dog potty issues violate your own personal space? I'm new and not wanting to offend anybody with my best friend. I'm going to post a dog urine thread, where your answers will be best appreciated.
I have some photos of dog urine spots to post.
Kitty

[Barefoot]

I'm new and not wanting to offend anybody with my best friend. I'm going to post a dog urine thread, where your answers will be best appreciated.
I have some photos of dog urine spots to post. Kitty

Oh please, I beseech you, no more dog urine threads. :boom:

[Russ_Boston]

Oh please, I beseech you, no more dog urine threads. :boom:

It doesn't matter - Some (most?) dog owners think that as long as they pick up the debris, everything else if fair game. And a previous poster is correct - the same people that say "get off my lawn" when people look for balls are the same people who let Refus tinkle, poop and then tramp over the lawn to pick it up. They won't get it and the many threads on both subjects just proves it. Dogs should do their business on THEIR OWN lawn - nowhere else.

Let the dog owner flames begin.

And no I don't mean EVERY dog owner.

[kittygilchrist]

It doesn't matter - Some (most?) dog owners think that as long as they pick up the debris, everything else if fair game. And a previous poster is correct - the same people that say "get off my lawn" when people look for balls are the same people who let Refus tinkle, poop and then tramp over the lawn to pick it up. They won't get it and the many threads on both subjects just proves it. Dogs should do their business on THEIR OWN lawn - nowhere else.

Let the dog owner flames begin.

And no I don't mean EVERY dog owner.

Russ, This is a thread about golf balls, so perhaps you could, or the moderator could help you, post a new thread in the appropriate place.

[capecodbob]

Russ, This is a thread about golf balls, so perhaps you could, or the moderator could help you, post a new thread in the appropriate place.

I think his post is related to the issue of trespassing on property. It is relevant to this thread.

[james951]

I like the idea of having a little sign put out for the golfers. Do people really trample on your flower beds? That sounds kinda rude. Just don't get hit by the balls.

[Polar Bear]

...Dogs should do their business on THEIR OWN lawn - nowhere else...

I believe as much as the next guy that dog owners must be considerate and not impact other people's private property. But since there are plenty of places where it is generally considered acceptable and even appropriate for dogs to relieve themselves which are not on THEIR OWN lawn, I can't agree with this statement.

[kittygilchrist]

I think his post is related to the issue of trespassing on property. It is relevant to this thread.

:agree: about trespassing, but it is in the golf forum. He has serious issues with dog owners who might pay attention if it were posted there.

[Russ_Boston]

:agree: about trespassing, but it is in the golf forum. He has serious issues with dog owners who might pay attention if it were posted there.


Because they know their wrong and I have the nerve to point it out to them. And I was not the first one to bring up dog issues on this thread. If you read my posts you know that I have no issue or qualms about stating my position.

PS > just started a new thread on the pet forum.

[Russ_Boston]

I believe as much as the next guy that dog owners must be considerate and not impact other people's private property. But since there are plenty of places where it is generally considered acceptable and even appropriate for dogs to relieve themselves which are not on THEIR OWN lawn, I can't agree with this statement.

You're right - I should have said "Don't pee, poop or walk on personal property that is not yours or the dog's".

My point is that the same people that somehow think it is ok for a dog to urinate or poop on my lawn (and personally I don't really care and let them do it), think that it is OK for people to bitch about coming onto their property to retrieve balls. You can not have it both ways - you just can't argue both sides at the same time.

[kittygilchrist]

You're right - I should have said "Don't pee, poop or walk on personal property that is not yours or the dog's".

My point is that the same people that somehow think it is ok for a dog to urinate or poop on my lawn (and personally I don't really care and let them do it), think that it is OK for people to bitch about coming onto their property to retrieve balls. You can not have it both ways - you just can't argue both sides at the same time.

Russ, How could anyone think they have a right to mess up someone's private property? But obviously some do. It puzzles me how you know that it is the same people let their dog go on your yard who fuss about stray balls?
Are you speaking of neighbors and people you know personally?
That kind of hypocrisy is arrogant. I don't know anybody like that,
yet...
Kitty

[CFrance]

You're right - I should have said "Don't pee, poop or walk on personal property that is not yours or the dog's".

My point is that the same people that somehow think it is ok for a dog to urinate or poop on my lawn (and personally I don't really care and let them do it), think that it is OK for people to bitch about coming onto their property to retrieve balls. You can not have it both ways - you just can't argue both sides at the same time.

I think it's a good point as related to golf, as it was stated somewhere in this thread that people's dogs go out onto the golf course after hours, despite the fact that it is private property.

We looked at a pre-owned home on a golf course with a cart path behind it. When I asked if I could walk our dog on that path, the realtor gave me an emphatic no. Apparently some don''t adhere to this rule.

[Russ_Boston]

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I think it's a good point as related to golf, as it was stated somewhere in this thread that people's dogs go out onto the golf course after hours, despite the fact that it is private property.

We looked at a pre-owned home on a golf course with a cart path behind it. When I asked if I could walk our dog on that path, the realtor gave me an emphatic no. Apparently some don''t adhere to this rule.


My wife and I play exec golf at sunset almost every night. Yes, many people do come out on the course for walks at that time. I have no issue as long as they are not in the way of getting hurt. But they are not supposed to do it as you mentioned.