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KGL Landscaping
06-16-2013, 06:01 PM
The handsome Sylvester palm has a robust central trunk that is sometimes swollen at the base and lined with diamond-shaped leaf scars. The diamond patterns deepen as the tree ages. A slow-growing palm, the Sylvester can eventually reach up to 20 feet in height. The crown is full and curves attractively in an almost spherical shape. The eye-catching blue-green to silvery-green foliage is composed of many fronds that rise directly from the trunk. Each frond can be up to 10 feet in length. The 18-inch long leaflets are arranged opposite one another, creating a smooth appearance, and the leaf stems are lined with thorns. The creamy white to pale yellow flowers appear on stalks up to three feet long below the crown and are followed by clusters of fruits that are purplish-black when ripe. The dates are one-inch long ovals and contain a single seed. They are edible and can be dried, juiced or made into jams and jellies.
A native of India, the Sylvester is a surprisingly hardy palm, easily withstanding occasional winter temperatures as low as 15 F. They grow beautifully in almost any well-drained soil, even sand. They are drought resistant but grow more quickly and exhibit better color when watered regularly. Try to keep the earth uniformly moist without overwatering. Sylvester palms love The Villages sunshine. Plant them where they will get plenty of direct light and have room to grow. Some pruning may be necessary to remove old fronds, which die away and ring the trunk like a skirt. Remember to wait until the fronds are completely brown and dead before removing them. This is a must, despite the undesirable look of the palm, because of the rich nutrients they hold to feed the central trunk. We hope the information we provided will be beneficial to both you as the homeowner with do it yourself tendencies as well as potential clients looking for in depth information as well as those who have a professional company caring for your palms. There are several types of "the Sylvester" that companies have introduced into the Villages over time. But there is only one we prefer, which is the true Silver Medjool Sylvester Palm. Its the most tried and true original variety with the hardiest standard. Thank you and we hope our tidbits of info will guide you in the right directions when selecting and/or caring for your Sylvester Palm.
KGL Landscaping
06-16-2013, 06:06 PM
pic of sylvester
Serenoa
06-16-2013, 09:31 PM
Is it advisable to plant one 3 ft from a driveway? Or is it not as close as it appears in the photo?
Barefoot
06-16-2013, 11:49 PM
The handsome Sylvester palm has a robust central trunk that is sometimes swollen at the base and lined with diamond-shaped leaf scars. The diamond patterns deepen as the tree ages. A slow-growing palm, the Sylvester can eventually reach up to 20 feet in height. The crown is full and curves attractively in an almost spherical shape. The eye-catching blue-green to silvery-green foliage is composed of many fronds that rise directly from the trunk. Each frond can be up to 10 feet in length. The 18-inch long leaflets are arranged opposite one another, creating a smooth appearance, and the leaf stems are lined with thorns. The creamy white to pale yellow flowers appear on stalks up to three feet long below the crown and are followed by clusters of fruits that are purplish-black when ripe. The dates are one-inch long ovals and contain a single seed. They are edible and can be dried, juiced or made into jams and jellies.
A native of India, the Sylvester is a surprisingly hardy palm, easily withstanding occasional winter temperatures as low as 15 F. They grow beautifully in almost any well-drained soil, even sand. They are drought resistant but grow more quickly and exhibit better color when watered regularly. Try to keep the earth uniformly moist without overwatering. Sylvester palms love The Villages sunshine. Plant them where they will get plenty of direct light and have room to grow. Some pruning may be necessary to remove old fronds, which die away and ring the trunk like a skirt. Remember to wait until the fronds are completely brown and dead before removing them. This is a must, despite the undesirable look of the palm, because of the rich nutrients they hold to feed the central trunk. We hope the information we provided will be beneficial to both you as the homeowner with do it yourself tendencies as well as potential clients looking for in depth information as well as those who have a professional company caring for your palms. There are several types of "the Sylvester" that companies have introduced into the Villages over time. But there is only one we prefer, which is the true Silver Medjool Sylvester Palm. Its the most tried and true original variety with the hardiest standard. Thank you and we hope our tidbits of info will guide you in the right directions when selecting and/or caring for your Sylvester Palm.
Thanks for the great information. We planted a double Sylvester a few years ago. We love the trees. At the time of planting, we had the trunks diamond cut. My question is: do the trunks need to be diamond cut again, and how often, or just left "natural"?
Cedwards38
06-17-2013, 06:18 AM
I love the Sylvester too, and had one planted in my front yard with a bubbler installed to keep it watered. This Spring it seems to be turning yellow, as are most of the other Sylvesters in Sanibel, and there are some small brown spots on the leaves of the fronds. I bought some palm fertilizer at the John Deere store in Leesburg and hope that is helping. Should I be worried?:shrug:
angiefox10
06-17-2013, 07:08 AM
Top 10 Palm Tree Care Mistakes (http://www.florida-palm-trees.com/palm-tree-care-mistakes/)
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Palm Trees are very easy to grow but even easier to kill if you don�t know what you are doing. Here are the most common palm tree care mistakes that owners make:
1. OVER-WATERING a new planted palm. You will notice the palm tree leaves turning brown or yellow and falling off quickly without drying first. To avoid this mistake, you need to make sure the palm soil has good drainage. You can do it by adding 30%-50% sand to the soil mix when you plant your palm. A new planted palm tree should be watered every day for the first week.
2. NOT ENOUGH WATER. If you don�t provide your palm tree with enough water, the tips of the leaves will start turning brown. Most of the palm trees like MOIST and WELL DRAINED soil. To find out if your palm tree is getting enough water, check the moist level of the soil the next day after watering. The soil should be moist down to the root of the palm tree. If you are not sure how to check the moisture level, go here Watering Palm Trees (http://florida-palm-trees.com/watering-palm-trees/).
3. ROOT DAMAGE. Adding fertilizer to the soil when planting a palm is a common mistake. This is almost guaranteed to kill your palm. Palm tree roots are very fragile, and adding fertilizer so close to the root ball could damage it. A palm tree with damaged roots is more likely to get diseases and die. New planted palms should not be fertilized for the first 3-4 months. Give them some time to establish.
4. FERTILIZER BURN. Burning palm tree with a fertilizer by putting it too close to the trunk. It�s very easy to burn the palm tree trunk. Once the trunk is damaged it is harder for the palm tree to battle diseases. Keep a 2 feet distance from the trunk when fertilizing.
5. NOT FERTILIZING your palm tree. Your palm tree needs nutrients for a healthy growth. We take vitamins every day to be healthy. Palm trees are like us. They need their vitamins to get stronger, grow faster and fight with pests and diseases. You need to fertilize your palm trees during the warm months 4 � 5 times a year. More info about Fertilizing Palm Trees. (http://florida-palm-trees.com/palm-tree-fertilization/)
6. BAD SOIL. Not providing a palm tree with good soil. Good soil will allow the palm tree root to develop properly, keep the moist so your palm gets enough water and provide good drainage. I always get asked � what is the best soil? Canadian peat moss. Cheap soil = poor results. No one asks me what is the absolutely worst soil you can buy, but I�ll tell you anyway � It is soil mixed with fertilizer.
Every gardener I know said it killed everything in their garden. These days it�s hard to find good soil, because every soil has fertilizer added. I personally use Premier Pro-Mixhttp://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=&l=as2&o=1&a=B001O85RX2 because it provides a superior growing environment for palms by increasing drainage and oxygen.
7. WRONG CLIMATE. Planting a palm tree in the climate that is too cold, too hot or too dry. Many gardeners buy palms without checking if they can grow in their climate zone. Tropical palm trees that like warm and humid weather don�t do well in the desert, with dry winds in the summer and cold temperatures in the winter.
Just get a different palm tree. There are so many cold hardy palms that can tolerate drought and cold weather. All you need to do, is to check which palms grow in your weather conditions. You can check it by going to Hardiness Zone Map (http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hzm-se1.html).
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ner2brhwsAY/SMUF1xA-HOI/AAAAAAAAApM/P9oPMHVEvOM/s320-R/BD05214_.gif (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ner2brhwsAY/SMUF1xA-HOI/AAAAAAAAApM/rm6OrUG4FLA/s1600-h/BD05214_.gif)8. SUNBURN. Planting a very young palm tree in the full sun without providing a cover. The palm leaves will start turning yellow and might look colorless in some areas. If you don�t cover your palm, the leaves will begin to dry and turn brown. If your palm tree is from a greenhouse or shade-grown environment, it is NOT USED to full sun. You need to acclimatize it first. For acclimatizing instructions check this article Planting Palm Trees (http://florida-palm-trees.com/planting-palm-trees/).
9. OVER-PRUNING. I keep seeing articles online that tell people to cut brown part of the leaf because it will save the palm tree from wasting nutrients on the dying leaf. Makes sense right? Wrong. Palm trees need dying leaves for nutrients, and when you cut them off, your palm tree doesn�t like it. Palms move nutrients from the older fronds to the new growth. Palm fronds should be cut when they are as close as possible to the trunk. Do NOT remove any fronds that grow at 45 degree angle or greater. If your palm tree looks like a rooster tail, you over-pruned it.
10. HURRICANE PRUNING. It is not unusual during hurricane season in Florida to get a knock on the door by a team of palm tree professionals, offering to prune your palms. They might say that removing extra weight from your palm tree will save it during hurricane. Makes sense, right? Wrong. Your palm trees need all the leaves they can get to protect the new growing fronds from wind.
I think this covers the most common mistakes. I hope you find this article useful. Let me know if you would like to share your experience or have good tips to add to Palm Care Mistakes. Have a great day!"
~Susan Brian
gomoho
06-17-2013, 08:41 AM
Thanks AngieFox - some good stuff
KGL Landscaping
06-17-2013, 05:17 PM
Nine times out of ten its always best to hire a professional maintenance company to do an analysis on your palm trees. This way they can adjust the irrigation, pruning, fertilization needs. It is money well spent.
gomoho
06-17-2013, 05:24 PM
What would something like that cost - say for one palm?
tommy steam
06-17-2013, 08:40 PM
Shop around for these trees ,they are expensive and there can be a difference in price for them.
gomoho
06-18-2013, 08:09 AM
Thanks Tommy, but I was referring to the cost of a professional analysis the OP mentioned.
Serenoa
06-18-2013, 08:55 AM
to KGL, in case you missed it the first time I asked: Sylvester palms typically develop a crown in the range of 10 to 15' wide, and you said in your original post that "Each frond can be up to 10 feet in length." Isn't the palm in the picture going to eventually hang over the homeowner's driveway a little too much? As slow as sylvesters grow vertically it's not like the crown will be all overhead. I can already see shadows on the driveway. I just don't like seeing palms being planted too close to driveways, sidewalks, houses and then the homeowner eventually becoming unhappy with it & end up having it removed. Wouldn't a sabal palmetto, a queen, or a washy been a better choice for that location? I realize TV lots are small & you often don't have a lot of room to work with, but why plant something that will eventually cause problems?
And in no way am I implying that I haven't made the same mistake myself.
KGL Landscaping
06-20-2013, 10:13 AM
to KGL, in case you missed it the first time I asked: Sylvester palms typically develop a crown in the range of 10 to 15' wide, and you said in your original post that "Each frond can be up to 10 feet in length." Isn't the palm in the picture going to eventually hang over the homeowner's driveway a little too much? As slow as sylvesters grow vertically it's not like the crown will be all overhead. I can already see shadows on the driveway. I just don't like seeing palms being planted too close to driveways, sidewalks, houses and then the homeowner eventually becoming unhappy with it & end up having it removed. Wouldn't a sabal palmetto, a queen, or a washy been a better choice for that location? I realize TV lots are small & you often don't have a lot of room to work with, but why plant something that will eventually cause problems?
And in no way am I implying that I haven't made the same mistake myself.
the Sylvester is not planted only 3 foot away from driveway. It is 8 foot from the house and 5 foot off driveway. As you can see the fronds grow from the center. In less than a year this palm will be properly pruned and a reputable maintenance company will trim the lower fronds up out of the way. Pruning is a must for ALL plants and palms to stimulate growth and to ensure proper shape. This palm will not cause a problem for the homeowner and they actually can stand underneath it or drive the golf cart past it with extra clearance . This was taken into full consideration before planting. Which is why we chose this particular size and height of palm to begin with.
Serenoa
06-20-2013, 01:59 PM
the Sylvester is not planted only 3 foot away from driveway. It is 8 foot from the house and 5 foot off driveway. As you can see the fronds grow from the center. In less than a year this palm will be properly pruned and a reputable maintenance company will trim the lower fronds up out of the way. Pruning is a must for ALL plants and palms to stimulate growth and to ensure proper shape. This palm will not cause a problem for the homeowner and they actually can stand underneath it or drive the golf cart past it with extra clearance . This was taken into full consideration before planting. Which is why we chose this particular size and height of palm to begin with.
Are you kidding me?? You should NEVER cut green healthy fronds off of an
established palm. You DON"T stimulate growth on a palm by pruning. Any reputable, professional landscaper that installs and/or maintains palm trees should know that.
I don't live in TV yet, nor do I even live in Florida, but I've been growing cold hardy palms in Alabama, Georgia & Texas since the late 70s. I do know a little about palms. But still, for anyone that may doubt my word over this landscaper here is a link to a general overview about palm pruning by the Brevard county extension office.
Palm Pruning and Maintenance (http://www.floridahomestagingandredesign.com/palmpruning.html)
gomoho
06-20-2013, 02:46 PM
Serenoa - I agree with you. I recently learned you should not snip a palm frond till it is hanging like a skirt because the rest of the tree receives nutrients from the dying frond.
Unfortunately we are looking for well manicured landscapes so they get snipped as soon as they look unsightly or might be in the way.
KGL - interested in your position on this.
angiefox10
06-20-2013, 03:33 PM
Serenoa - I agree with you. I recently learned you should not snip a palm frond till it is hanging like a skirt because the rest of the tree receives nutrients from the dying frond.
Unfortunately we are looking for well manicured landscapes so they get snipped as soon as they look unsightly or might be in the way.
KGL - interested in your position on this.
gomoho, you are correct.... Here is what I found on the internet....
Palm tree trimming guidelines | Angies List (http://www.angieslist.com/articles/palm-tree-trimming-guidelines.htm)
"Palm trees don't need pampering, but an occasional trim will keep them healthy and looking their best. Before trimming yourself, consider a tree care (http://www.angieslist.com/landscaping/tree-services.htm) professional and know these tips for palm tree trimming. Reasons to trim a palm tree
A common myth is that frequent pruning will make palm trees grow faster, but the opposite is true. Palms get nutrients from the green fronds (or leaves) on the tree. When too many are removed, growth slows and the tree is more susceptible to pests and disease. Most palm trees grow a new frond only as another one dies, so it's important not to trim too often. Experts suggest trimming only when necessary. Remove only brown and yellow fronds. These not only look less tidy, but might also harbor insects and rodents.
How to trim a palm tree
Most tree-trimming services will remove yellow, brown and broken fronds, along with any palm flowers and fruit stalks. Flowers and fruit use energy that could go into growth of fronds. The fruit is also removed because it can stain sidewalks and cause a safety hazard for people below the tree.
When green leaves must be removed, remove only those that droop at an angle below a parallel line to the ground.
The loose petioles (also called boots) on the trunk should be only removed by hand. If they can't be removed without tools, they should stay on the tree.
For tall trees, use a cherry picker, ladders or other climbing gear that will not hurt the tree. Climbing spikes, still often used, damage the trunk of the tree and may spread diseases as they're used from tree to tree. Any tool used to trim or prune should be cleaned between trees to prevent the spread of disease.
Finally, palms should never be topped, or have the crown cut off. The crown will not grow back on a shorter trunk and the tree will not branch. Instead, it will kill the tree.
What to look for in a palm-trimming service
If possible, hire an arborist with a certificate of qualification, such as a Certified Arborist from the International Society of Arboriculture. This professional specializes in tree care. Otherwise, look for a landscaping service that specializes in palm tree care.
Before hiring a service, ask how they'll trim the tree. Avoid companies that offer to trim the tree in unnatural shapes (such as a pineapple shape for the Canary Date Palm) or overprune the tops. View photos of the company's other work on palms to see how much they've trimmed.
Always check a company's credentials and references. Make sure that the company's license is valid and that workers are covered by liability insurance to make sure that you or the homeowner are not liable in case of injury."
perrjojo
06-21-2013, 02:55 PM
Some professional landscapers recommend putting Epsom salts on your palms. The Florida agriculture dept says...DO NOT put Epsom salt on your palms....hmmmm, guess our landscape experts don't have all of the answers.
ekars1
06-21-2013, 03:38 PM
After having a Sylvester Palm planted, does the landscaper return to clean the bark?
travelguy
06-21-2013, 05:27 PM
After having a Sylvester Palm planted, does the landscaper return to clean the bark?
what do you mean 'clean the bark'?
:a040:
angiefox10
06-21-2013, 05:33 PM
Actually.... if you google it, you will find that epsom salts is very much recommended for palm trees.
How to Apply Epsom Salt to Palm Trees | eHow (http://www.ehow.com/how_12046040_apply-epsom-salt-palm-trees.html)
Epsom Salts for Palm Trees? | Ask Mr. Greenthumb (http://www.askmrgreenthumb.com/2011/08/complete-guide-to-florida-gardening-2/)
"Berni P. wrote:
Looking for info on palm trees. Is there any value to adding epsom salts and if
so, how much?
Dear Berni:
My book titled, Stan DeFreitas Complete Guide To Florida Gardening, has a listing of
palms and information. Magnesium sulphate (epsom salt) is one of the macro-elements
and is used in a higher amount than the micro-elements. It will help to green up your
palms. Normally a couple of cups spread evenly around the palm will be helpful. Use
no more than 3 lbs. on a big palm.
Hope this is helpful.
My Best,
Stan"
gomoho
06-21-2013, 05:37 PM
I think on the Epsom salt issue I will go with the Florida Agriculture Department.
Sunshine Mary
06-22-2013, 03:50 PM
Just got my Sylvester Palm tree .Who Diamond cut the tree ? I look at everyone else and the bark looks nice Mine does not look nice .Does anyone know who well come and do a diamond cut for me
Thank You
gomoho
06-22-2013, 05:19 PM
The landscaper brought our Ribbon Palm already diamond cut. Check with who you got the palm from and see if they'll come do it.
jimbo2012
06-22-2013, 05:41 PM
Where did U buy it?
Should have been cut, R U sure it's a sylvester
Barefoot
06-22-2013, 06:49 PM
Just got my Sylvester Palm tree .Who Diamond cut the tree ? I look at everyone else and the bark looks nice Mine does not look nice .Does anyone know who well come and do a diamond cut for me
Thank You
The company where you purchased the tree should be able to suggest a professional who will do a diamond cut. Our Landscaper (Terrascape) provided someone to do the diamond cut on our double sylvester as part of the purchase price.
Sunshine Mary
06-22-2013, 08:03 PM
Yes it is a Sylvester .
Leo's Landscaping put the tree in
pic of sylvester
Where did U buy it?
Should have been cut, R U sure it's a sylvester
bonrich
06-23-2013, 05:57 AM
We had our landscaping done by Terrascape. They came back after a couple of weeks and diamond cut the trunk of the Sylvester. The diamond cutting was part of the price of the whole project. Took the worker at least 2 hours and a reciprocal saw to do the job. Makes a big difference in how the Palm looks.
borjo
06-23-2013, 08:37 AM
When I found out the cost to trim the trunk was $100/foot, I bought my own reciprocating saw for $100 and did it myself. Will save quite a bit of money, but not easy. I'm a gal.
jimbo2012
06-23-2013, 01:31 PM
The tree is only $85-100 a foot to buy, the labor rate here is $8-15 an hour at most.
How can anyone be foolish enough to pay a $100 a foot to cut the bark
tommy steam
06-23-2013, 02:01 PM
The tree is only $85-100 a foot to buy, the labor rate here is $8-15 an hour at most.
How can anyone be foolish enough to pay a $100 a foot to cut the bark
I think that people don't really know how much things cost around here. You have to ask a lot of questions an interview several landscapers before you do business with them. I asked a guy who was doing a brick and sand patio how much a sq ft cost and he told me we don't do it that way in Florida. Things like that are always priced by the sq ft.
jimbo2012
06-23-2013, 03:14 PM
... he told me we don't do it that way in Florida. Things like that are always priced by the sq ft.
Yep, let's see big house, what kinda car in the garage?
It'll cost ya ......$$$$$$$
Tom you're very right it's how folks here R taken for advantage of every day.
As soon as they get here common sense is gone, they don't get several bids or check online at what things should cost.
I'm always amazed at what people pay for things here. :swear:
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KGL Landscaping
06-23-2013, 04:23 PM
Serenoa - I agree with you. I recently learned you should not snip a palm frond till it is hanging like a skirt because the rest of the tree receives nutrients from the dying frond.
Unfortunately we are looking for well manicured landscapes so they get snipped as soon as they look unsightly or might be in the way.
KGL - interested in your position on this.
Yes, We completely agree with that statement and that is what we tell our customers.
GordyM
06-23-2013, 05:07 PM
Just today we had a 6' Sylvester delivered and planted for $115 with a one year warranty. It truly is a great looking palm.
KGL Landscaping
06-23-2013, 05:23 PM
Are you kidding me?? You should NEVER cut green healthy fronds off of an
established palm. You DON"T stimulate growth on a palm by pruning. Any reputable, professional landscaper that installs and/or maintains palm trees should know that.
I don't live in TV yet, nor do I even live in Florida, but I've been growing cold hardy palms in Alabama, Georgia & Texas since the late 70s. I do know a little about palms. But still, for anyone that may doubt my word over this landscaper here is a link to a general overview about palm pruning by the Brevard county extension office.
Palm Pruning and Maintenance (http://www.floridahomestagingandredesign.com/palmpruning.html)
Mr. Serenoa and all,
We don't prune healthy green fronds. What I was trying to say was in response to your first concern for our Sylvester photo. where you asked if the homeowner could have a possible problem with the placement of their Sylvester palm, which we addressed. Again, we discussed all the options and future issues that could arise with our client. Taking the health of the palm into consideration. As far as the 'one statement' I made about pruning was to get the point across to remember maintenance plays a vital role in the continuing health of any plant or palm. We discourage all of our homeowners from pruning any frond too quickly. The article you provided is really good information as they are giving good research and vital field information. We are only talking about removing one or two fronds off the bottom, if needed, to raise it slightly if it did happened to impose a concern. In our 13 year of hands on experience and training have we ever weakened a palm or destroyed its health from this type of clipping off a few fronds before a palm becomes fully established. I was never trying to say that we should give it a Hurricane cut or prune it into a topiary. Thank you Angie Fox for your article as well. That is what we believe. We have multiple multiple years of classroom certifications and licensing, as well as hands on three generations of hands on experience. We are Not out to hurt anyone (or palm). We stand behind our high quality products and customer service. I have spent countless hours and years with growers and nurserys and I know my product, how to care for it, and how to pass the knowledge on to our clients.
Thank you,
KGL Landscaping
travelguy
06-23-2013, 08:05 PM
Just today we had a 6' Sylvester delivered and planted for $115 with a one year warranty. It truly is a great looking palm.
where did you get this tree? what a bargain!
gomoho
06-24-2013, 06:12 AM
where did you get this tree? what a bargain!
Is this Sylvester 6' of trunk or from the ground to the top of the fronds???
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