LSV bill signed

[mrdills]

Governor Scott has just signed into law yesterday the LSV bill, this will let any owner that owns a LSV to covert it back to a regular golf cart. This will let people get out of paying outrageous Insurance rates. The Golden goose has just died. :BigApplause:

[glencus]

Governor Scott has just signed into law yesterday the LSV bill, this will let any owner that owns a LSV to covert it back to a regular golf cart. This will let people get out of paying outrageous Insurance rates. The Golden goose has just died. :BigApplause:

It will also reward them since they already cashed in on the huge Federal Tax Credits they received when they bought them knowing full well that they had to be used as on road vehicles. :throwtomatoes:

[red tail]

It will also reward them since they already cashed in on the huge Federal Tax Credits they received when they bought them knowing full well that they had to be used as on road vehicles. :throwtomatoes:

yep...lots of sour grapes out there because they didn't jump on the wagon when it was available.

:BigApplause:

[glencus]

yep...lots of sour grapes out there because they didn't jump on the wagon when it was available.

:BigApplause:

A few might feel that way. More likely that the majority will feel their taxes ended up subsidizing their neighbors who received a large tax rebate and now get off the hook. Just where do you think the tax rebate money came from. Oh, perhaps the rest of us who pay taxes.

[TVMayor]

It you are retired and paying taxes you must have a financial adviser that still has to work for a living. :posting:

[red tail]

A few might feel that way. More likely that the majority will feel their taxes ended up subsidizing their neighbors who received a large tax rebate and now get off the hook. Just where do you think the tax rebate money came from. Oh, perhaps the rest of us who pay taxes.

It came from my taxes. to qualify you had to owe more than the rebate. so if you didn't pay a large amount of taxes you couldn't get it.

[tommy steam]

Do owners of these golf carts have to put a governor on them to reduce their speed ?

[ureout]

The rules were, that when purchasing an LSV you had to keep it as such for 2 yrs. to qualify for the rebate. I believe all that want to change back have done that.

[buggyone]

Do owners of these golf carts have to put a governor on them to reduce their speed ?

The owners have to take the carts to a certified shop to have the alteration done to make them go no faster than 20 mph. Of course, I really wonder how many will do that instead of doing nothing and trying to keep the LSV under 20 mph with their speedometer (while in areas that police might monitor)?

I would be willing to bet an ice-cold Yeungling draft that we will see plenty of formerly licensed LSV's going well above the legal speed limit of 20 mph. Any takers?

[NJblue]

The owners have to take the carts to a certified shop to have the alteration done to make them go no faster than 20 mph. Of course, I really wonder how many will do that instead of doing nothing and trying to keep the LSV under 20 mph with their speedometer (while in areas that police might monitor)?

I would be willing to bet an ice-cold Yeungling draft that we will see plenty of formerly licensed LSV's going well above the legal speed limit of 20 mph. Any takers?

Your information is only partially correct. Owners must also have these modifications registered with the state for them to get the insurance reduction (can't just take the foot off the pedal.) For them to be brought back to above 20 MPH would require a second visit to a mechanic to have them adjusted back up. Since few licensed mechanics will want to jeopardize their license to violate state law, I suspect that the converted LSVs will be, as a class, far more compliant than most electric and gas golf carts. ... and I would take that bet.

[cquick]

The owners have to take the carts to a certified shop to have the alteration done to make them go no faster than 20 mph. Of course, I really wonder how many will do that instead of doing nothing and trying to keep the LSV under 20 mph with their speedometer (while in areas that police might monitor)?

I would be willing to bet an ice-cold Yeungling draft that we will see plenty of formerly licensed LSV's going well above the legal speed limit of 20 mph. Any takers?

seems to me that there are many "normal" golf carts that go over 20mph. So do they have to go to a certified shop to have the governor put on them too?

[buggyone]

If they are cited by the police on a public road or street and going over 20 mph, yes, they would have to show paperwork to the judge this work has been accomplished by the court date.

The citation by the police is not just for exceeding the speed limit but is for operation of a vehicle on a street that is not up to street code. Very expensive!

[Bavarian]

It you are retired and paying taxes you must have a financial adviser that still has to work for a living. :posting:

The primary reason we chose to move to Florida is to avoid State Income Taxes. If you are not paying any, maybe you need to readjust your portfolio.
How else can one live in retirement?

[gustavo]

It came from my taxes. to qualify you had to owe more than the rebate. so if you didn't pay a large amount of taxes you couldn't get it.

That year I adjusted my income so the rebate on both of my carts can cancelled my entire tax bill.

As far as the whiners who think that I shouldn't have taken advantage of the credits, if I don't take them someone else will, nothing illegal or immoral about it.

This new law will allow me to clean up my paperwork as I de-streeted both my carts two years ago.

[gustavo]

Do owners of these golf carts have to put a governor on them to reduce their speed ?

I have a handheld controller that can change the Curtis controller parameters. I dialed my max speed to 20 mph when I de-streeted them two years ago.

[golf2140]

The owners have to take the carts to a certified shop to have the alteration done to make them go no faster than 20 mph. Of course, I really wonder how many will do that instead of doing nothing and trying to keep the LSV under 20 mph with their speedometer (while in areas that police might monitor)?

I would be willing to bet an ice-cold Yeungling draft that we will see plenty of formerly licensed LSV's going well above the legal speed limit of 20 mph. Any takers?

I wouldn't take that bet. I'll be the first on the phone to SCSO when they start flying by.

[rubicon]

That year I adjusted my income so the rebate on both of my carts can cancelled my entire tax bill.

As far as the whiners who think that I shouldn't have taken advantage of the credits, if I don't take them someone else will, nothing illegal or immoral about it.

This new law will allow me to clean up my paperwork as I de-streeted both my carts two years ago.

gustavo: The bigger issue is that politicians are using credit rebates tax deductions to serve their political needs. Billions have been directed toward credit rebates tax deductions in the name of green energy an indusry that has totally failed but fed polticians campaign coffers. so it was sad to see such an obvious credit rebate directed at golf carts when in fact with or without it the cart would have been purchased. It was a close up in your face look at government waste...and that is what disturb residents...and so to say someone will take advantage..... doesn't sit well with residents who refused government handouts and who spent a lifetime taking care of their own obligations.

Those so called LSV's will return to LSV's because those folks won't adjust to 19.9mph

[red tail]

the difference between 20 and 25 mph is not a big deal either way up or down. the tomberlin has a switch which makes the speed 20 or 25. whatever sped one wants or needs. the 20mph mode is for on the golf course and the other is for the road. frankly 5mph sn't a lot of difference. for the poster to say he'll call the sheriff when he sees a speeding lsv doing 25mph is folly.

[golf2140]

the difference between 20 and 25 mph is not a big deal either way up or down. the tomberlin has a switch which makes the speed 20 or 25. whatever sped one wants or needs. the 20mph mode is for on the golf course and the other is for the road. frankly 5mph sn't a lot of difference. for the poster to say he'll call the sheriff when he sees a speeding lsv doing 25mph is folly.

Wait till you receive a number of tickets for driving an unregistered vehicle if charged going on 20 MPH!!!!

[Challenger]

the difference between 20 and 25 mph is not a big deal either way up or down. the tomberlin has a switch which makes the speed 20 or 25. whatever sped one wants or needs. the 20mph mode is for on the golf course and the other is for the road. frankly 5mph sn't a lot of difference. for the poster to say he'll call the sheriff when he sees a speeding lsv doing 25mph is folly.

I believe that F=m(VxV) hope that is still the formula.
Therefore a 25% increase in speed would be quite significant if an impact occured.

[tzangrilli]

The real problem is the long lines at DMV when these thousands of LSV owners want to get their carts returned to golf cart status!!!

[justjim]

I wouldn't take that bet. I'll be the first on the phone to SCSO when they start flying by.

:read: I trust you are joking. It is going to be difficult to tell the difference as a cart goes by. My guess is that over half the golf carts now using the trails will go more than 20mph. The tax credit was available to anybody that wanted to take advantage of such----same as a tax deduction for the mortgage on your home and investing your cash elsewhere. I say more power to anyone who can legally pay less taxes. :thumbup:

[Indy-Guy]

My concern is when I am crossing the bridge by Lake Sumter Landing and I see a Gem Car coming at me in the opposite lane on that narrow bridge. There will not be enough room for both of us!

[mrfixit]

I believe that F=m(VxV) hope that is still the formula.
Therefore a 25% increase in speed would be quite significant if an impact occured.

WHUD..????

...IF......Force equals mass times Velocity squared.....:read:
..........................I am definitely going on a diet, fer shore.:mmmm:

[mrdills]

For all you whiners out there who are worried that the LSV people got a tax credit 4 years ago that's too bad. First of all you had to quality for the tax credit, and if you didn't quality you wouldn't get the total rebate. I know you would turn down a rebate when you bought a new car, Right !! Second of all the Insurance Company's had the Goose that laid the golden egg for 4 years. In 4 years the Insurance rates for LSV's went up 500-600 a year, now who's screwing who, excuse the pun. There isn't a day go by that I don't see a gas golf cart going faster than 20 MPH, and there are people out there that go much faster that 25 MPH, I have a guy down my street that can go 32MPH, and he brags about it all the time, by the way these are all GAS golf carts. I think all the whiners should find something else to complain about and please don't look in the mirror.

[LndLocked]

How many of those so adamantly opposed to this bill expressed your position to your duly elected State of Florida Representative .... who also just happens to be the bills sponsor.

Florida House of Representatives - H. Marlene O'Toole - Regular Session 2009 (http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4462&SessionId=61)

[EdV]

The new law requires the following:

The department shall issue a decal reflecting the conversion of the vehicle to a golf cart, upon which is clearly legible the following text: “CONVERTED VEHICLE. Max speed 20 mph.” The decal must be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, so that the decal is plainly visible.

So anyone driving their converted vehicle over 20mph will be subject to the same hefty fine as other golf carts.

[NoMoSno]

My concern is when I am crossing the bridge by Lake Sumter Landing and I see a Gem Car coming at me in the opposite lane on that narrow bridge. There will not be enough room for both of us!

If everyone is traveling the posted 10 mph, it won't be a problem.
I tried the 10 mph limit once. Sounded like a parade behind me, with everyone blowing their horns...

[DonH57]

NoMoSno, I've repeatly had the same parade on that bridge and the one going into Spanish Springs on Paige Pl multiple times. Can't count how many times I've been passed and the occasional gestures. Very apparent those speed limit areas are never enforced.

[njbchbum]

The new law requires the following:

The department shall issue a decal reflecting the conversion of the vehicle to a golf cart, upon which is clearly legible the following text: �CONVERTED VEHICLE. Max speed 20 mph.� The decal must be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, so that the decal is plainly visible.

So anyone driving their converted vehicle over 20mph will be subject to the same hefty fine as other golf carts.

and if the decal is never affixed or is removed and the license plate remains affixed - will anyone know that the cart that is on the roadway has been converted from an lsv to a golfcart?

[justjim]

Trust me there are many electric carts that can go over 20mph and they never were LSV'S. I agree if EVERBODY would go 10mph over LSB there would be no problem. What are we talking about time wise----less than a minute for sure!