Pee and Poop survey

[Russ_Boston]

A poster said that I should post my pet question on the pet forum instead of hiding it in another post that was about golf.

OK - here goes:

If you have a dog(s) and you walk it outside to do its business, do you let that business happen on private property? In other words do you let your dog do its thing on another person's lawn? Even assuming you pick everything up do you feel that you have some sort of built in right to walk onto another person's property and urinate and defecate on THEIR lawn? This question came up because some people were adamant that golf balls hit onto a home's property should not be looked for or picked up (obviously not hit from) since the ball should be considered out of bounds.

Just curious what most pet owners allow for their dog's bathroom habit. I don't own one so I'd like to know how you go about accomplishing the daily habit.

[DougB]

Think you may find that if the survey is not anonymous, you are not going to get honest answers.

[gerryann]

When I leave my property to take my dog for a walk, I try my very, very best to be sure that she has done all business before leaving our property. Unfortunately, she most times has the need to "mark" or pee along the way. This is just what dogs do. The only way to stop it is to put a diaper on or never take them for a walk. I moved here because I felt it is a dog friendly community. Any suggestions? For the record, my lawn is as green and healthy as anyone's. Her pee has not caused any markings. Also, I ALWAYS have bags in my pocket in case she poops. I have even picked up other dog poop that I come across in our travels.

[jnieman]

I wouldn't let my dog do it's business on my neighbor's lawns if I had a dog. I've not seen it done in my Village other than when we all first moved in and the dog owners seem not to do it anymore. I see them walking their dogs to the mailbox which is close or to the open area near the Villas.

[kittygilchrist]

I would be appalled if my dog went on someone's yard. She is held on a short lead when it's not Ok to sniff around and go. She is released on full lead...5 feet or so, when she is in an appropriate area. She understands when she is and is not allowed to go.
She pees in the yard, her own yard, readily but resists pooping at home. At this point she is walked mostly on unbuilt lots or I take her in the car to a field outside TV. She is not allowed to stand on someone else's yard without their ok. I don't get why people let their dogs walk on private property??

There are not many places to go and fences are not allowed so the problem is situationally challenging but there is no excuse for violating private property.
I hope your post will be read by offending dog owners and that they will be less likely to give the rest of us a bad name, but I don't expect any to confess.

[Polar Bear]

...do you let your dog do its thing on another person's lawn? Even assuming you pick everything up do you feel that you have some sort of built in right to walk onto another person's property and urinate and defecate on THEIR lawn?...

Just a related question, since I feel a bit ornery today...

I haven't checked if this applies to TV, but usually sidewalk is placed a couple feet inside the right-of-way, not on the actual house lot (even though the homeowner is typically responsible for mowing the grass). So if a dog is allowed to use this portion of the right-of-way, does that constitute improperly using another person's property/lawn?

[kittygilchrist]

When I leave my property to take my dog for a walk, I try my very, very best to be sure that she has done all business before leaving our property. Unfortunately, she most times has the need to "mark" or pee along the way. This is just what dogs do. The only way to stop it is to put a diaper on or never take them for a walk. I moved here because I felt it is a dog friendly community. Any suggestions? For the record, my lawn is as green and healthy as anyone's. Her pee has not caused any markings. Also, I ALWAYS have bags in my pocket in case she poops. I have even picked up other dog poop that I come across in our travels.

You have a leash, the dog is on the end of it. Use the lead to control the dog from being able to trespass onto private property or are you talking about her going on allowable sites, few as they are? The dog can't mark something she isn't standing on so don't let her walk where you don't want her to pee.

[jblum315]

When I leave my property to take my dog for a walk, I try my very, very best to be sure that she has done all business before leaving our property. Unfortunately, she most times has the need to "mark" or pee along the way. This is just what dogs do. The only way to stop it is to put a diaper on or never take them for a walk. I moved here because I felt it is a dog friendly community. Any suggestions? For the record, my lawn is as green and healthy as anyone's. Her pee has not caused any markings. Also, I ALWAYS have bags in my pocket in case she poops. I have even picked up other dog poop that I come across in our travels.

Yes. well, it's easier for you because female dogs don't feel the need to pee-mark every 30 seconds like male dogs do

[CFrance]

ditto with Kitty. Our walk starts on our property, with business being done there. Our dog is not a "marker," thank goodness, but nonetheless, we walk down the street in such a fashion that the dog cant reach anyone's lawn. It's not difficult to do that and still keep out of the way of traffic, as long as you keep control of the length of lead you are giving the dog.

In a three-mile walk, we stop to allow sniffing (he doesn't mark but loooooooooves to sniff) twice, both at public TV property. As long as you keep moving, the dog is not going to mark--especially if he's out in the street or on a short lead on a sidewalk.

Remember who's the pack leader.

[kittygilchrist]

Yes. well, it's easier for you because female dogs don't feel the need to pee-mark every 30 seconds like male dogs do

My female loves to huff and to mark. She will squat when there's nothing left in her but her imagination.

[DianeM]

As long as any excrement is picked up, why is it a big deal. Granted I restrict my pups to their own yard, but if they did go somewhere else, I'm responsible for their actions and would clean up.

[Uptown Girl]

Personally, I would not let my dog relieve itself on grass or landscaping that another homeowner pays to water and maintain.

I consider it disrespectful to the neighbors to do otherwise. :yuck:

But for those who think it's okay to let a pooch do their business on another homeowners lawn, please post your address so that others can bring their pups over to your house for their daily potty visit!

[DianeM]

I agree but it can happen. These are dogs and while we try to control them, and for the most part do, there is a point where nature rules.

[kittygilchrist]

As long as any excrement is picked up, why is it a big deal. Granted I restrict my pups to their own yard, but if they did go somewhere else, I'm responsible for their actions and would clean up.

Diane, I'm confused..the question is whether you would allow your pup to go on private property? not sure what your answer is to that..
Kitty
Ps can't wait to meet you.

[ugotme]

My 2 cents worth:

Always walk my dog on my property to relieve herself.
Only after that will we go for a walk.

NOW on this walk she MAY surprise me - I honestly think it has only happened twice that she pooped while on her walk.

I do however walk her in the street and carry bags. Therefore, she did not do anything on anyone's lawn and it was picked up!

Okay so maybe that was 3 cents worth !!!!

[CFrance]

My 2 cents worth:

Always walk my dog on my property to relieve herself.
Only after that will we go for a walk.

NOW on this walk she MAY surprise me - I honestly think it has only happened twice that she pooped while on her walk.

I do however walk her in the street and carry bags. Therefore, she did not do anything on anyone's lawn and it was picked up!

Okay so maybe that was 3 cents worth !!!!

Yeah, but it was worth a million bucks!:coolsmiley:

[CFrance]

Don't understand why the OP..who I believe is a regular here on TOTV, really felt the need to open up this topic again. It's been gone over, and over and over for years. I think a search on the topic would have answered the question 10 times over.

Ya know, it took 30+ years of public service announcements to finally convince people smoking is dangerous to your health. Little by little, people quit, and now the smokers are in the minority of the population.

I know the poop threads have been on TOTV ad nauseum, but there are new people to TV all the time, and the private-property vs your dog's right to poop issue needs to be revisited now and then. Sooner or later, the property owners may win out through public awareness. Hopefully it won't take 30 years.

Russ, maybe you would enjoy having a dog. In Key West, they put them (even retrievers) in their beach cruiser bike baskets and tool around. I seem to remember you like to ride. (That was a non sequitur, I know. Sorry sorry.)

[Barefoot]

Don't understand why the OP..who I believe is a regular here on TOTV, really felt the need to open up this topic again. It's been gone over, and over and over for years. I think a search on the topic would have answered the question 10 times over.

I don't think the OP is trying to understand the topic. I think he is just trying to generate discussion on the issue. As you said, it's been discussed over and over and over for years. We've all made our positions known.

My position is that we need more dog parks in The Villages. Since two dogs are allowed per household, there are a heck of a lot of dogs living in The Villages. There are three tiny dog parks provided by The Developer. If we had more dog parks, we would have a lot fewer problems with dogs being walked in the neighborhoods.

I don't have a horse in this race. We don't walk our dogs in the neighborhood. We take our dogs daily to the private dog park on CR 101, and we're happy to pay to do that.

[gerryann]

Guess I'll have to start going to the dog parks.

[Roaddog53]

Personally, I would not let my dog relieve itself on grass or landscaping that another homeowner pays to water and maintain.

I consider it disrespectful to the neighbors to do otherwise. :yuck:

But for those who think it's okay to let a pooch do their business on another homeowners lawn, please post your address so that others can bring their pups over to your house for their daily potty visit!

:bigbow: :agree:
For those that say it is their dog and dogs will be dogs, that still is no excuse to go on private property..period. Whether it is the "few feet" as mentioned that they "only maintain" or not! Doing simple math, to maintain approx. 10% of the area right away on property... Costs to mow, fertilize, weed, shrub maintenance at ~$1500 per year for a lawn service, plus watering should be about $150 + per year. If you want to pay that to each home owner for your use of that area, and still pick up your dog's excrement, than perhaps they will strike a deal with you.
Those that believe this has been covered than don't read it. But it shows that there is a division of people in TV who believe they have the right to use other's property because their dog couldn't help themselves and it should not be a big deal if they do.
There are many "pet peeves" each of us have and it shows in these threads. I would guess many that think this is alright also complain that they don't like what others are doing to them at stores, cars, pools, etc. We just need to be cognizant and courteous of other's property and think of others in our actions of how it would make them feel if the shoe was on the other foot.

[kittygilchrist]

This thread has awakened me that it is true that dog owners let their dogs walk, pee and poop on private property. I'm new here, so whatever positions you all hold I'm not going to research.
I watched a guy tonight with his dog on a lead so long he could have walked in the middle of the street while the dog waltzed through private yards and it was just looking for the best yard to go in. What are people thinking? Dogs are not supposed to walk us, we are supposed to walk them.
We need Cesar Milan. Lead the dog. The dog is not in charge of you. If you have a cat, this won't work.
K.

[CFrance]

Guess I'll have to start going to the dog parks.

I hope you have a small dog or easy access to the large dog park Barefoot is referring to (Doggy Doo Run Run). It is pretty far away if you live down in the 466A area. And the developer-provided dog parks down in this area are pretty small for the larger dogs to get good exercise.

[queasy27]

If you have a cat, this won't work.

Hey if we're lucky, maybe some cat owners take their bags of litter box poo and clumped-up pee to the mailbox trash cans and dump them there! I'd pull up a chair for that thread.

Huffy, huffier, huffiest.

[kittygilchrist]

Hey if we're lucky, maybe some cat owners take their bags of litter box poo and clumped-up pee to the mailbox trash cans and dump them there! I'd pull up a chair for that thread.

Huffy, huffier, huffiest.

If you only knew what great fertilizer and sand in material that makes for the lawn. My kitty's used litter is not for sale!
Kitty

[Russ_Boston]

Don't understand why the OP..who I believe is a regular here on TOTV, really felt the need to open up this topic again. It's been gone over, and over and over for years. I think a search on the topic would have answered the question 10 times over.

A lot of new people have moved in. Another thread opened it up again and some in that thread said to have a new one - so I did.

From what I'm reading most people try to restrict to their yard or sidewalk. I'm glad to hear that. I have no problem with dogs - as long as the human is the one in charge:)

[DianeM]

Diane, I'm confused..the question is whether you would allow your pup to go on private property? not sure what your answer is to that..
Kitty
Ps can't wait to meet you.

No I would not purposely let my dogs go on private property but if it accidentally happened what can you do.

[DianeM]

My 2 cents worth:

Always walk my dog on my property to relieve herself.
Only after that will we go for a walk.

NOW on this walk she MAY surprise me - I honestly think it has only happened twice that she pooped while on her walk.

I do however walk her in the street and carry bags. Therefore, she did not do anything on anyone's lawn and it was picked up!

Okay so maybe that was 3 cents worth !!!!

You said far better what I was trying to say. Thank you.

[Parker]

Personally, I find dog poop threads interesting. The variety of comments amuses me. And the fact that these poop threads keep popping up over and over and over tell me that I am not alone. I keep hoping that some single post will enlighten me as to why those few thoughtless folks who purposely allow their dogs to poop on other people's lawn without picking it up, will appear here. Until then, I read...

[gomoho]

Well we take our dogs to the "poop station" aka the "pump station" to do their business before their walks and always, always always pick up their poop and sometimes that of stupid dog owners who don't have a clue. But on occasion walking makes them have to poop again so they do it in the street 'cause I wouldn't dare let them on someone's lawn. Personally I would rather a dog poop in my grass and have it picked up rather than the street where it is as picked up as good as it can be. And don't tell me not to walk my dog on the public streets - dogs need to walk - that is what they do - and unfortunately sometimes they just have to go.

[Uptown Girl]

I live in a courtyard villa neighborhood. Most of the neighbors here have dogs.

Except for the area outside our villas entrance, all the grass/landscaping here is paid for and maintained by individual residents. (for those who may not know, there are no sidewalks or parkways in CYV enclaves)

What most do is twofold: When walking their dogs in the immediate area, the dogs are kept on a short leash (as others have mentioned) and walked in the street up to say, the mail station, where there is a grassy, public area.

This area is not specifically designated for dogs, but with proper follow up, dogs can sniff and pee and poop back there, BEHIND the mail station.

In addition, many take their pups for a daily golf car ride. We have at least 90 miles of golf car paths. Most have grassy, sometimes shaded areas adjacent to them. They find a quiet spot, pull their golf car safely off onto the grass and park, then walk their dog to their heart's content, away from any homeowner's property. They pick up the poop, bring it home and properly dispose of it.

Those who have dogs afraid of the golf car, (rare, but okay) those who don't HAVE a golf car (rare, but okay) and those who have multiple dogs may not find this an option- so in that case, your own property is the only reasonable potty solution.

If a dog does not 'like' your own property, oh well. When nature calls they will opt to use it if that is the available option (vs inside). I guarantee.

[Polar Bear]

...we always, always always pick up their poop...But on occasion walking makes them have to poop again so they do it in the street 'cause I wouldn't dare let them on someone's lawn...And don't tell me not to walk my dog on the public streets - dogs need to walk - that is what they do - and unfortunately sometimes they just have to go.

Wise words, gomoho. :^)

There are those on both extremes who will never be satisfied. But imho this generally sums up the behavior of most responsible dog owners and describes reality pretty well.

[blueash]

What most do is twofold: When walking their dogs in the immediate area, the dogs are kept on a short leash (as others have mentioned) and walked in the street up to say, the mail station, where there is a grassy, public area.

This area is not specifically designated for dogs, but with proper follow up, dogs can sniff and pee and poop back there, BEHIND the mail station.



Who made the decision that the mail stations would become a pet waste relief area? Are the postal stations and the grounds public or private land? If it is private land then the owner whether the Morses, VCDD, or private contractor sets the rules. If they are public then usage would be regulated by whatever governmental agencies have jurisdiction. Most Sumter County parks prohibit dogs completely while a few allow dogs but require that pet stations be used. Sumter County, FL - Official Website (http://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/faq.aspx?qid=127)

So the fact that land is even public does not mean that it therefore becomes a dog defecation zone.

[Polar Bear]

...So the fact that land is even public does not mean that it therefore becomes a dog defecation zone.

No disrespect intended, but if you're taking about typical public road right-of-way, good luck with enforcement, even IF it's deemed to be a violation.

[Patty55]

I let my dogs pee and poop all over the place. I pick up the poop, the urine-not so much.

[kimball]

I don't think the OP is trying to understand the topic. I think he is just trying to generate discussion on the issue. As you said, it's been discussed over and over and over for years. We've all made our positions known.

My position is that we need more dog parks in The Villages. Since two dogs are allowed per household, there are a heck of a lot of dogs living in The Villages. There are three tiny dog parks provided by The Developer. If we had more dog parks, we would have a lot fewer problems with dogs being walked in the neighborhoods.

I don't have a horse in this race. We don't walk our dogs in the neighborhood. We take our dogs daily to the private dog park on CR 101, and we're happy to pay to do that.

Wow. I'm impressed that all the dog owner responders to this topic do it the right way. How is it that on any ride of at least 10 minutes duration in virtually any direction it is almost impossible to not see a canine with a foot in the air or hunched over the destination of it's forthcoming poop. Usually either on public property or a homeowners yard which Id bet isn't the yard the dog belongs in.

[rubicon]

Well since Admin shut down the political forum I find the poop threads exciting and fully charged. I am one who puts humans, most anyway, above all else animals, conservation, etc . to me earth was made for humans . naturally some respect by humans is essential so that we leave plenty of living for future generations.

Dog owners rights of owning two dogs come with responsibilities. I'll make a wager that the application of those responsibilities falls within the bell curve. someone like Barefoot captures my respect because she has a good balance between her rights and the rights of others. such courtesy goes a long way.

[DougB]

An anonymous poll set up for the question would get more accurate answers in numbers..

I agree, see post #2. No one on TOTV allows their dogs to poop on others' property. Well, except Patty. :a20:

[Uptown Girl]

Who made the decision that the mail stations would become a pet waste relief area? Are the postal stations and the grounds public or private land? If it is private land then the owner whether the Morses, VCDD, or private contractor sets the rules. If they are public then usage would be regulated by whatever governmental agencies have jurisdiction. Most Sumter County parks prohibit dogs completely while a few allow dogs but require that pet stations be used. Sumter County, FL - Official Website (http://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/faq.aspx?qid=127)

So the fact that land is even public does not mean that it therefore becomes a dog defecation zone.

I am referring to the large grassy area BEHIND the mail station that is designated to OUR village of Tamarind Grove. I used phrase 'the mail station' as a reference point.
If you will visit the area, perhaps you will see the grounds I am referring to.
Neighborhood watch has told me that since this is a common area, they will not prevent people from walking their dogs back there.
However, the dogs MUST be on a leash and the owners are EXPECTED to pick up the poop, take it HOME and dispose of it properly.


I did NOT infer that mail stations are poop stations.
Personally, I love dogs, owned many, but don't presently have one. Most of my friends and neighbors do and I enjoy them immensely.

I get annoyed when I see a dog allowed to pee on a flowering ornamental plant border.... wherever it may be. (and here's a clue, if enough concentration of urine is deposited by yours AND other dogs, the plants will burn and die. Honest.) I get annoyed when a dog is allowed to pee/poop in front of outdoor dining tables at a restaurant, whether the owner picks it up or not.
Dog owners with that habit are blankety-blank slobs to me. SLOBS.
Call me quirky.
This whole thing is so easy. The only requirement is that you must give a s--t about others (no pun intended) or at least care about preserving the beautiful surroundings you chose to live in.

[birdawg]

Just a related question, since I feel a bit ornery today...

I haven't checked if this applies to TV, but usually sidewalk is placed a couple feet inside the right-of-way, not on the actual house lot (even though the homeowner is typically responsible for mowing the grass). So if a dog is allowed to use this portion of the right-of-way, does that constitute improperly using another person's property/lawn?

Actually the right of way is for utilities to have access if needed. I worked in the urban cities of New Jersey (Newark Paterson etc.) in the high rises people would urinate in the halls, stairwells, elevators. When I would ask them why they would do that, they would say they don't own it.

[Golfingnut]

I love all animals so I don't care about the yellow circles, but I think for the sake of those folks that do care, I say!!!!!!!!!

KEEP OFF private property. You are welcome to use my lot

[rubicon]

I am referring to the large grassy area BEHIND the mail station that is designated to OUR village of Tamarind Grove. I used phrase 'the mail station' as a reference point.
If you will visit the area, perhaps you will see the grounds I am referring to.
Neighborhood watch has told me that since this is a common area, they will not prevent people from walking their dogs back there.
However, the dogs MUST be on a leash and the owners are EXPECTED to pick up the poop, take it HOME and dispose of it properly.


I did NOT infer that mail stations are poop stations.
Personally, I love dogs, owned many, but don't presently have one. Most of my friends and neighbors do and I enjoy them immensely.

I get annoyed when I see a dog allowed to pee on a flowering ornamental plant border.... wherever it may be. (and here's a clue, if enough concentration of urine is deposited by yours AND other dogs, the plants will burn and die. Honest.) I get annoyed when a dog is allowed to pee/poop in front of outdoor dining tables at a restaurant, whether the owner picks it up or not.
Dog owners with that habit are blankety-blank slobs to me. SLOBS.
Call me quirky.
This whole thing is so easy. The only requirement is that you must give a s--t about others (no pun intended) or at least care about preserving the beautiful surroundings you chose to live in.

Well done

[lightworker888]

Why are there no signs that say that owners are responsible for cleaning up after their dog? We walk our dogs on the road or pet them use the green around the retention pond outside our villas. Many dogs are walked there and it seems that most pick up but there are some who do not. There are no signs that request owners to pick up and we were wondering if perhaps the thought is that if there are signs then people would use the area more intentionally and it would be an official dog site. Without a sign, people are choosing to use the area and hopefully are considerate enough to keep it clean.

Maybe the county doesn't want to be responsible for designating the area as a dog area. Then maybe there would have to be litter cans for disposal or something like that. Anyway it has always been a curiosity, similar to why there are no North and South signs at the main BV and Morse and Canal intersections which would be most useful, especially for those directionally challenged. But that's another thread.


LW888

[Patty55]

I agree, see post #2. No one on TOTV allows their dogs to poop on others' property. Well, except Patty. :a20:

Before I moved here I never picked up dog poop, it was never an issue.

[dsned]

I love all the people who do not want a dog to touch their grass but will let their CAT run freely all over the place. Let me tell you I have never had a dog burn my grass BUT a cat is sure to burn grass and leave something stinky in your flowers. Oh yea the owner of course do not pick up.
Polar is right there is a right of way that doesn't belong to owners of house but which they must mow.

[JB in TV]

Why are there no signs that say that owners are responsible for cleaning up after their dog? We walk our dogs on the road or pet them use the green around the retention pond outside our villas. Many dogs are walked there and it seems that most pick up but there are some who do not. There are no signs that request owners to pick up and we were wondering if perhaps the thought is that if there are signs then people would use the area more intentionally and it would be an official dog site. Without a sign, people are choosing to use the area and hopefully are considerate enough to keep it clean.

Maybe the county doesn't want to be responsible for designating the area as a dog area. Then maybe there would have to be litter cans for disposal or something like that. Anyway it has always been a curiosity, similar to why there are no North and South signs at the main BV and Morse and Canal intersections which would be most useful, especially for those directionally challenged. But that's another thread.


LW888

I personally don't think we need more signs. The Villages is a beautiful place, more signs will only hinder that beauty..

[Taltarzac725]

A poster said that I should post my pet question on the pet forum instead of hiding it in another post that was about golf.

OK - here goes:

If you have a dog(s) and you walk it outside to do its business, do you let that business happen on private property? In other words do you let your dog do its thing on another person's lawn? Even assuming you pick everything up do you feel that you have some sort of built in right to walk onto another person's property and urinate and defecate on THEIR lawn? This question came up because some people were adamant that golf balls hit onto a home's property should not be looked for or picked up (obviously not hit from) since the ball should be considered out of bounds.

Just curious what most pet owners allow for their dog's bathroom habit. I don't own one so I'd like to know how you go about accomplishing the daily habit.

Our dog usually either goes in our yard or thereabouts, at the private dog park called Doggie Doo Run Run, at the postal center, or sometimes in yards when I walk him late at night. I carry a flashlight and plenty of plastic bags for his poop and since he is a male dog he has to mark his territory with dribbles every ten feet or so. He usually will pee wherever other dogs have gone and does only small amounts because he has a lot of territory to mark.

Not sure why so many TOTVers make such a big thing about dog poop and pee? I find this not much of an issue in the neighborhood I am in. I have heard of people at the dog park who have had problems when their dogs doing their business on other people's yards but with so many homes with no fences, it is quite hard if next to impossible to make sure that no poop or pee gets on other people's yards.

[zonerboy]

Ok all you poop freaks, please define "private property". When I walk my dog, I keep the leash short so he does not walk on anyone's lawn or personal property. When we are on "common areas", such as along the multi modal paths, grassy areas near mail stations, outside walls of courtyard villa hoods, and so forth, I do let him walk on the grass. These areas are not "public property", but are also privatev, are they not??
If he poops, I pick it up and take it home with me. If he pees, I don't worry about it. Dog urine is basically harmless.
I have not noticed any dead or dying shrubbery in these areas where many walk their dogs. I walk three miles each morning and only rarely do I see a dog pile. I do, however encounter literally hundreds of cigarette butts every day....in the street, on the sidewalks, and on people's lawns. As for my house, I'd actually prefer the poop to the butts.

[Polar Bear]

Actually the right of way is for utilities to have access if needed. I worked in the urban cities of New Jersey (Newark Paterson etc.) in the high rises people would urinate in the halls, stairwells, elevators. When I would ask them why they would do that, they would say they don't own it.

Utilities, roads, sidewalk, multi-modal path, etc. The point was...it is not the property of the homeowner who fronts on that right-of-way. (I'm not excusing leaving poop there...although I think the pee on right-of-way grass is no problem whatsoever.)

[Wi11iam]

A poster said that I should post my pet question on the pet forum instead of hiding it in another post that was about golf.

OK - here goes:

If you have a dog(s) and you walk it outside to do its business, do you let that business happen on private property? In other words do you let your dog do its thing on another person's lawn? Even assuming you pick everything up do you feel that you have some sort of built in right to walk onto another person's property and urinate and defecate on THEIR lawn? This question came up because some people were adamant that golf balls hit onto a home's property should not be looked for or picked up (obviously not hit from) since the ball should be considered out of bounds.

Just curious what most pet owners allow for their dog's bathroom habit. I don't own one so I'd like to know how you go about accomplishing the daily habit.

"Survey says" ....:crap2: let the same common sense used for golf balls prevail...:pepper2::pepper2::pepper2:

[graciegirl]

Common sense is a beautiful thing and so is thinking of others. They used to be seen all of the time. If we each looked out for others then we wouldn't need signs and we wouldn't need rules.

Unfortunately.........................

[Russ_Boston]

Let's remember that ALL real estate inside TV is owned by someone. Even the sanctuaries are owned by someone. ALL RE is owned by someone.

So if your dog does ANY business not on its own lawn then you are doing that business on someone else's property. This is not a debate but fact.

Now the question comes "Is it reasonable to allow this practice in 'open' areas"? Well I guess that's the debate. I would assume that most of the places mentioned are owned by the local CDD? So if they don't have any issue then either do I. But have we ever asked them?

[Polar Bear]

Let's remember that ALL real estate inside TV is owned by someone. Even the sanctuaries are owned by someone. ALL RE is owned by someone.

So if your dog does ANY business not on its own lawn then you are doing that business on someone else's property. This is not a debate but fact...

If you consider public property to be "owned by someone", of course you are correct. But your authoritative statement misses the point. The concept of public-vs-private still exists and is critical to some of this discussion.

Public right-of-way is not owned by private individuals. Big difference...that too is fact.

[Tom Grooms]

Do not let your dog come in my yard unless you are prepared for a confrontation. I have a corner lot and it took months to train the neighbors and there dogs that my lot IS NOT a dog park and it's never ok to pee, poop or walk on my lawn.

The air horn usually does the trick but a few times a month I'll hear some snide comment, have to leave my lanai and tell them what time it is...

I applaud the dog owners that have their dogs do the business on the street. Good stuff and thanks to all responsible dog owners.

[PammyJ]

Wow! I find some of the comments over the top! I have a pet friendly front yard. Waste is picked up, who cares! I love seeing the cute furry dogs walk along our street. I even have treats to give them when they walk by. It all depends on how you view things whether or not this bothers you. Each to his own! But, we all have to share this world and get along...pick your battles for what is really important.

[PammyJ]

Do not let your dog come in my yard unless you are prepared for a confrontation. I have a corner lot and it took months to train the neighbors and there dogs that my lot IS NOT a dog park and it's never ok to pee, poop or walk on my lawn.

The air horn usually does the trick but a few times a month I'll hear some snide comment, have to leave my lanai and tell them what time it is...

I applaud the dog owners that have their dogs do the business on the street. Good stuff and thanks to all responsible dog owners.

We are opposites!

[Tom Grooms]

That's great and I don't have a problem with that but I wanted to remind people that we all don't share the same feelings. Some people work hard on their turf and don't take kindly to dogs peeing on there stuff.

[zonerboy]

As Mr. Boston states, all real estate within the confines of The Villages is owned by somebody. As a Villages home owner, I believe that I myself am a partial owner of "Common Areas" within the Villages, and am entitled to use them in accordance with the rules for such use which were in force when I purchased my home.
I am aware of no rules prohibiting the walking of leashed dogs in areas such as around postal stations, alongside multi modal paths, and so forth. I pick up after my dog in these areas because it is the proper thing to do, not because I might be on some one else's property.
Common sense and common courtesy should rule in such matters.
By the way, I am not some one whose entire self image and self worth is defined by the condition of the grass surrounding his home.

[CatskillBill]

How about staying away from postal stations, shuffle board courts, horseshoe pits, and bocce ball courts. HUMANS use theses areas and I don't appreciate your dog ruining the shubs and doing their business where I walk.

There are other "open" areas for your pet to use, like around retention ponds etc. including your own yard.

[Polar Bear]

Wow! I find some of the comments over the top! I have a pet friendly front yard. Waste is picked up, who cares! I love seeing the cute furry dogs walk along our street. I even have treats to give them when they walk by. It all depends on how you view things whether or not this bothers you. Each to his own! But, we all have to share this world and get along...pick your battles for what is really important.

I think I'm somewhere in the middle of this debate. I'm a responsible dog owner and respect the reasonable concerns expressed here. But I gotta say...I love ya, PammyJ!! There...I said it!! ;^)

[oot]

It's kind of funny - the poop/pee threads almost made me second guess considering moving to the Villages. I love reading TOTV, especially before we bought our home. I would read these threads and thought this was the most unfriendly place when it came to dogs.

Where we lived in Michigan it seemed like almost every house owned a dog. Our house was a corner house with a fire hydrant and a tree and just about every dog that came for a walk by the house would pee on them both. The tree is huge and doing quite well, and even the grass around the hydrant is green. When people come by with their dogs, we never complain nor do any of the other neighbors.

I have never seen a "no poop here" sign anywhere in our northern neighborhood. If you walk around the Villages you see them all over the place. "Friendly home town" - well - it does not appear that way at a quick glance.

So anyway we bought a home here and come to find out - there are many dog owners who walk their dogs, bags in hand and people don't run out ready to fight when the dog happens to pee. Everyone is friendly - just like up north - and the world is a happy place. I play with their dogs (mine passed away several years ago) and we don't get upset if they pee on the lawn.

I appreciate those who pick up the poop - but won't scream at them if they did not do it. Maybe they cannot get down to pick it up because their knees are bad or their hips are sore.

Yes - maybe you ended up with a yellow spot on your lawn, but be thankful because at least you have a home to live in.

Granted - maybe the dog next door barked, but be thankful because at least you can hear.

Life is precious - enjoy it while you are here!

[zonerboy]

The postal station and neighborhood pool nearest me is the one in Tamarind Grove. Behind the mailbox and pool areas is a large grassy area with several beautiful and mature oak trees. And the area backs up to privately owned pasture land. Many people walk their dogs there. I go there daily at various times to pick up my mail and it seems there is always some one there with a dog. The area is well landscaped with hedges and many azelias and other flowering shrubs.
Yet despite its apparent popularity with dog owners the grass is generally green and I have yet to notice in two years any dead or dying shrubs. I think the notion that dog pee kills landscape plants is greatly exaggerated.
I live in a courtyard villa and 99 percent of my dog's outdoor time in in my own fenced back yard. And the grass and shrubs there are doing just fine, thank you very much.

[Jaggy]

Just to let you know that this thread has entertained me but my neck is getting sore from shaking my head...

[ilovetv]

The postal station and neighborhood pool nearest me is the one in Tamarind Grove. Behind the mailbox and pool areas is a large grassy area with several beautiful and mature oak trees. And the area backs up to privately owned pasture land. Many people walk their dogs there. I go there daily at various times to pick up my mail and it seems there is always some one there with a dog. The area is well landscaped with hedges and many azelias and other flowering shrubs.
Yet despite its apparent popularity with dog owners the grass is generally green and I have yet to notice in two years any dead or dying shrubs. I think the notion that dog pee kills landscape plants is greatly exaggerated.
I live in a courtyard villa and 99 percent of my dog's outdoor time in in my own fenced back yard. And the grass and shrubs there are doing just fine, thank you very much.

I think it's not so much damage to the grass and shrubs as much as it is the attitude of entitlement some of the culprits show....entitled to do whatever they darn well please, wherever they please.

That attitude is arrogant and condescending toward people who do not want manure left in their front yard or at the mail station, pool lawn etc.

I don't think anyone here would tolerate neighbors bagging their own human waste and bringing it to dump in another person's front yard, so why should uncollected dog waste left in the yard be any more acceptable??

[CatskillBill]

The postal station and neighborhood pool nearest me is the one in Tamarind Grove. Behind the mailbox and pool areas is a large grassy area with several beautiful and mature oak trees. And the area backs up to privately owned pasture land. Many people walk their dogs there. I go there daily at various times to pick up my mail and it seems there is always some one there with a dog. The area is well landscaped with hedges and many azelias and other flowering shrubs.
Yet despite its apparent popularity with dog owners the grass is generally green and I have yet to notice in two years any dead or dying shrubs. I think the notion that dog pee kills landscape plants is greatly exaggerated.
I live in a courtyard villa and 99 percent of my dog's outdoor time in in my own fenced back yard. And the grass and shrubs there are doing just fine, thank you very much.

The key to your post is "Behind the mailbox and pool areas is a large grassy area". That's OK, but not the grassy areas between shuffle board courts near the mailboxes, and other areas that people walk thru with sandals.

I applaud you for doing your part. Wish others would follow your lead. Keep up the good work. BTW I've had dogs in the other places where I've lived.

[Barefoot]

Wow! I find some of the comments over the top! I have a pet friendly front yard. Waste is picked up, who cares! I love seeing the cute furry dogs walk along our street. I even have treats to give them when they walk by. It all depends on how you view things whether or not this bothers you. Each to his own! But, we all have to share this world and get along...pick your battles for what is really important.


Life is precious - enjoy it while you are here!

Thanks Pammy and Oot for these pleasant words of wisdom. :agree:

"We all have to share this world and get along - pick your battles for what is really important. Life is precious - enjoy it while you are here."

[njbchbum]

does any dog walker here realize how gut-wrenching it is to be sitting on one's street-facing lanai enjoying a meal and/or a beverage and have a dog come onto the property, leave a deposit and then hafta watch the walker pick up the deposit? it's disgusting - accident or not!

[Russ_Boston]

If you consider public property to be "owned by someone", of course you are correct. But your authoritative statement misses the point. The concept of public-vs-private still exists and is critical to some of this discussion.

Public right-of-way is not owned by private individuals. Big difference...that too is fact.

Yes you are correct, public right of way. But we can't do ANYTHING we want on those public rights of way, can we? And I don't think the mail boxes are public right of way - I would think that is CDD property. Sidewalks are probably right of way.

[Russ_Boston]

I do, however encounter literally hundreds of cigarette butts every day....in the street, on the sidewalks, and on people's lawns. As for my house, I'd actually prefer the poop to the butts.

I was going to start another subject on this. In what world is a cigarette butt not littering? Stupid thing to do and dirty, dirty.

[kittygilchrist]

Russ thanks for the topic tho it's been out there many time before, as a newbie I learned that many dog people don't know how to control their dog's location. Worse, many don't care where the dog chooses to go.
I already knew that a lot of us are responsible, respectful and aware that the world is not our dog's bathroom as the dog naturally thinks it is.

I hope owners will consider getting a short leash and training the dog to walk at your side. That's really all it takes. The logic is, if the dog has to walk beside you and you don't walk in disallowed places, the dog will be unable to go there.
If you must walk through a no poop zone, pick up the pace and the dog won't have time to squat or pick up a leg.
Help is available through Cesar Milan's tv shows on nat geo wild or online.

[Polar Bear]

Yes you are correct, public right of way. But we can't do ANYTHING we want on those public rights of way, can we? And I don't think the mail boxes are public right of way - I would think that is CDD property. Sidewalks are probably right of way.

No, we can't do ANYTHING on public right-of-way, but if you're hoping for dog owners...who use bags to pick up the dog droppings...to stop allowing their dog to use the public right-of-way, you're simply setting yourself up for disappointment. It ain't gonna happen.

[CFrance]

As Mr. Boston states, all real estate within the confines of The Villages is owned by somebody. As a Villages home owner, I believe that I myself am a partial owner of "Common Areas" within the Villages, and am entitled to use them in accordance with the rules for such use which were in force when I purchased my home.
I am aware of no rules prohibiting the walking of leashed dogs in areas such as around postal stations, alongside multi modal paths, and so forth. I pick up after my dog in these areas because it is the proper thing to do, not because I might be on some one else's property.
Common sense and common courtesy should rule in such matters.
By the way, I am not some one whose entire self image and self worth is defined by the condition of the grass surrounding his home.

How about staying away from postal stations, shuffle board courts, horseshoe pits, and bocce ball courts. HUMANS use theses areas and I don't appreciate your dog ruining the shubs and doing their business where I walk.

There are other "open" areas for your pet to use, like around retention ponds etc. including your own yard.

You two both make a lot of sense to me.

[Barefoot]

No, we can't do ANYTHING on public right-of-way, but if you're hoping for dog owners...who use bags to pick up the dog droppings...to stop allowing their dog to use the public right-of-way, you're simply setting yourself up for disappointment. It ain't gonna happen.

Currently there are only three tiny dog parks provided by The Villages, obviously not enough for our growing canine population. More dog parks would solve a lot of problems, for dog owners and dog haters alike. Since there are thousands of dogs living in The Villages, doesn't it make sense to provide somewhere to walk them, where they could get off-leash exercise?

When I suggest more dog parks, I usually get an outcry of "Don't use my amenity money to pay for dog parks because I don't have a dog". Well, think about it. Many of us cheerfully pay for tennis courts, pool tables, pickleball courts, baseball diamonds and many golf courses, who don't use those facilities. And many snowbirds live in TV for the winter and happily pay amenities for twelve months. I'd like to think that we could all respect each others' hobbies. It's all for the greater good.

[PammyJ]

One of the reasons I bought here, besides all that TV has to offer, were the following:
1. Very family friendly
2. Pet friendly
It is obvious that there are many pet owners and it is also obvious there aren't many fences. Just about everyone keeps their pets on a leash and they pick up after the animals.
If it really bothers some, can you say you didn't see that it was pet friendly? I googled non pet friendly communities and I couldn't find any, just landlords that do not want pets. Maybe there is a need for a no pets allowed village. I am not sure what the resale value would be. Are we just venting, or is it really an issue. There are properties outside Tv that are on big pieces of land where you won't have to deal with walking where a dog uses the bathroom, or have to watch dog owners picking up feces. When you buy in a place like this, be prepared, it is all part of sharing spaces. Really? We are going to take the time to designate a right of way area that would be appropriate?
Do you count how many times birds and squirrels unload on your property!
Dogs are wonderful living creatures that can bring love, joy, and companionship!

[kittygilchrist]

:MOJE_whot::clap2::BigApplause::a040::wave::agree:



Currently there are only three tiny dog parks provided by The Villages, obviously not enough for our growing canine population. More dog parks would solve a lot of problems, for dog owners and dog haters alike. Since there are thousands of dogs living in The Villages, doesn't it make sense to provide somewhere to walk them, where they could get off-leash exercise?

When I suggest more dog parks, I usually get an outcry of "Don't use my amenity money to pay for dog parks because I don't have a dog". Well, think about it. Many of us cheerfully pay for tennis courts, pool tables, pickleball courts, baseball diamonds and many golf courses, who don't use those facilities. And many snowbirds live in TV for the winter and happily pay amenities for twelve months. I'd like to think that we could all respect each others' hobbies. It's all for the greater good.

[jdsl1998]

The Villages are filled with pets. Pets pee and it doesn't affect the grass. People, who care, pick up after their dogs and throw it away at home.
The Villages are filled with golf courses. Balls land on others property. People, who care, pick up their balls and play them off of private property.
We knew this moving in.

[kittygilchrist]

One of the reasons I bought here, besides all that TV has to offer, were the following:
1. Very family friendly
2. Pet friendly
It is obvious that there are many pet owners and it is also obvious there aren't many fences. Just about everyone keeps their pets on a leash and they pick up after the animals.
If it really bothers some, can you say you didn't see that it was pet friendly? I googled non pet friendly communities and I couldn't find any, just landlords that do not want pets. Maybe there is a need for a no pets allowed village. I am not sure what the resale value would be. Are we just venting, or is it really an issue. There are properties outside Tv that are on big pieces of land where you won't have to deal with walking where a dog uses the bathroom, or have to watch dog owners picking up feces. When you buy in a place like this, be prepared, it is all part of sharing spaces. Really? We are going to take the time to designate a right of way area that would be appropriate?
Do you count how many times birds and squirrels unload on your property!
Dogs are wonderful living creatures that can bring love, joy, and companionship!

Pammy, My dog is truly my best friend. To me a pet friendly community means they are allowed. the sad thing here is that while you can't up a fence, alternative spaces are not created that would be dog friendly. I totally agree on that.
I gave up fencing when I decided not to buy a CYV; that was my choice.

Obviously this IS an issue or these threads would not go on and on. If one's head is not in the sand, that is quite clear.

As a pet owner. I accepted the reality of not having a fence and the challenge of toileting the animal responsibly. As a homeowner, I expect others to toilet their animals elsewhere without making excuses. I share your joy at the companionship of the pet, and that has nothing at all to do with respecting other people's property. That I enjoy my pet has no bearing on whether the neighbor should enjoy a load in their yard.

[jdsl1998]

Personally, I find dog poop threads interesting. The variety of comments amuses me. And the fact that these poop threads keep popping up over and over and over tell me that I am not alone. I keep hoping that some single post will enlighten me as to why those few thoughtless folks who purposely allow their dogs to poop on other people's lawn without picking it up, will appear here. Until then, I read...

The key to your quote is "poop without picking it up"....that is foul!

[jdsl1998]

One of the reasons I bought here, besides all that TV has to offer, were the following:
1. Very family friendly
2. Pet friendly
It is obvious that there are many pet owners and it is also obvious there aren't many fences. Just about everyone keeps their pets on a leash and they pick up after the animals.
If it really bothers some, can you say you didn't see that it was pet friendly? I googled non pet friendly communities and I couldn't find any, just landlords that do not want pets. Maybe there is a need for a no pets allowed village. I am not sure what the resale value would be. Are we just venting, or is it really an issue. There are properties outside Tv that are on big pieces of land where you won't have to deal with walking where a dog uses the bathroom, or have to watch dog owners picking up feces. When you buy in a place like this, be prepared, it is all part of sharing spaces. Really? We are going to take the time to designate a right of way area that would be appropriate?
Do you count how many times birds and squirrels unload on your property!
Dogs are wonderful living creatures that can bring love, joy, and companionship!

Thank you for putting into words what many responsible pet owners feel.

[Tom Grooms]

I can't believe I'm hearing this. If you live in a place like this, be prepared? No pet Villages if you don't want your yard to be a place for dogs to ****? Move out of the Villages to a larger lot if you don't like it? Have you lost your mind?

What gives you the sence of entitlement that you feel you can let your dog do whatever it wants on my lot? Pet friendly DOES NOT mean you can pee all over the place. Pet Friendly DOES NOT allow you to trespass on my property. You might as well kick in my front door and pee in the kitchen.

Please, curb your dogs!

[CFrance]

One of the reasons I bought here, besides all that TV has to offer, were the following:
1. Very family friendly
2. Pet friendly
It is obvious that there are many pet owners and it is also obvious there aren't many fences. Just about everyone keeps their pets on a leash and they pick up after the animals.
If it really bothers some, can you say you didn't see that it was pet friendly? I googled non pet friendly communities and I couldn't find any, just landlords that do not want pets. Maybe there is a need for a no pets allowed village. I am not sure what the resale value would be. Are we just venting, or is it really an issue. There are properties outside Tv that are on big pieces of land where you won't have to deal with walking where a dog uses the bathroom, or have to watch dog owners picking up feces. When you buy in a place like this, be prepared, it is all part of sharing spaces. Really? We are going to take the time to designate a right of way area that would be appropriate?
Do you count how many times birds and squirrels unload on your property!
Dogs are wonderful living creatures that can bring love, joy, and companionship!

Thank you for putting into words what many responsible pet owners feel.

But I have to disagree with this. Responsible dog owners do not allow their dogs to walk/poop/pee on other people's yards. This is SO easy to accomplish. Why take the chance of causing a homeowner distress?

[quirky3]

I totally agree with you, CFrance! Just because a community is dog-friendly doesn't excuse bad behavior by dog owners. That would be like saying just because a community is golf-friendly, that excuses bad behavior by golfers.:icon_wink:

[CFrance]

I don't want you to look at my dog and say, "oh, sh**!!!" I want you to see me walking my dog and have it be a non-issue for you. I want to protect my dog and his public image as much as I want to protect your property

[ilovetv]

Currently there are only three tiny dog parks provided by The Villages, obviously not enough for our growing canine population. More dog parks would solve a lot of problems, for dog owners and dog haters alike. Since there are thousands of dogs living in The Villages, doesn't it make sense to provide somewhere to walk them, where they could get off-leash exercise?

When I suggest more dog parks, I usually get an outcry of "Don't use my amenity money to pay for dog parks because I don't have a dog". Well, think about it. Many of us cheerfully pay for tennis courts, pool tables, pickleball courts, baseball diamonds and many golf courses, who don't use those facilities. And many snowbirds live in TV for the winter and happily pay amenities for twelve months. I'd like to think that we could all respect each others' hobbies. It's all for the greater good.

To me, the key word in the quote I highlighted in bold/yellow is this: "provide".

Or more specifically, "Who" should provide for the needs of homeowners' pets?"

TV already "provides" more bang for our quality buck for people than any other place we've seen in the continent. Right now, the developers are trying to "provide" a large-scale, medical-home concept primary healthcare system for people. That is just one of dozens of things TV "provides".

So, should TV also "provide" a veterinary medical-home concept primary healthcare system too, because there are thousands of dogs living in TV, so that we don't have to load the dogs into the car and drive outside TV to a private-owned vet clinic and pay individual rates instead of group rates, too?

I don't mean to be "offensive" to say this, but I and others who've written me by pm think it needs to be said:

People are citizens of this community, where we all bought our own home and lot. Dogs are property, not citizens.

Property owners are expected to take care of their own property and livestock.

If taking care of one's property means paying for membership at Doggie Doo Run or other privately-run facility, then that's what needs to be done. If there aren't enough of these facilities, then somebody ought to form and fund another one or five.

If buying a bigger lot, or some acreage, where the dog(s) can run free off-leash is needed to take care of one's dog (property), then that is what the property owner should do.

[justjim]

When you bought in TV, you knew that it was pet friendly and residents were allowed two dogs. After I actually moved here, I was a bit surprised at the number of dogs in TV as I am sure others were too. Many Seniors love their dogs and they have become family---to some---their dogs have become more important than people----a bit over the top. A Dog, no matter how good a companion, is not more important than a human IMHO. 98% of Dog Lovers and Dog Others use common sense. Some may have reason to dislike being around dogs---maybe they have been attack or maybe they are allergic. Regardless, EVERBODY should be respectful. When TOTV had a political forum, you could opt out---a very good option. We can't opt out of the human race----so lets be more respectful of everbody's views.

[PammyJ]

I can't believe I'm hearing this. If you live in a place like this, be prepared? No pet Villages if you don't want your yard to be a place for dogs to ****? Move out of the Villages to a larger lot if you don't like it? Have you lost your mind?

What gives you the sence of entitlement that you feel you can let your dog do whatever it wants on my lot? Pet friendly DOES NOT mean you can pee all over the place. Pet Friendly DOES NOT allow you to trespass on my property. You might as well kick in my front door and pee in the kitchen.

Please, curb your dogs!

Tom, are you having a bad day? If you re-read my posts, you are inferring a meaning that was not meant. No, I haven't lost my mind, but by your last comment, I think you are overreacting! Honestly, do you really think you will ban dogs peeing on the grass all over, Like at mailboxes and occasionally where they aren't supposed to 100 percent of the time? Is it just me? Or have I lived in a bubble most of my life? In my other neighborhood, or any neighborhood I have EVER lived in, this was Never an issue. I spend time and money on both of my lawns and a lot of time. Dogs walking by will pee by the road on your grass. All I can say is it doesn't bother me, but it does you! I certainly would consider things that bother me when purchasing a house, that is all I was saying. Don't expect you to move, no sense of entitlement! Just my opinion like you have one! I hope I didn't raise your blood pressure! Have a good day!

[duffysmom]

Being a dog or animal lover is not the point. I would never allow my dog to tresspass on anyone's property for any reason. It isn't necessary and when people do allow it I think they have a sense of entitlement and give the rest of us dog people a bad name. :boxing2: So there!!!

[buckscounty]

:welcome:A poster said that I should post my pet question on the pet forum instead of hiding it in another post that was about golf.

OK - here goes:

If you have a dog(s) and you walk it outside to do its business, do you let that business happen on private property? In other words do you let your dog do its thing on another person's lawn? Even assuming you pick everything up do you feel that you have some sort of built in right to walk onto another person's property and urinate and defecate on THEIR lawn? This question came up because some people were adamant that golf balls hit onto a home's property should not be looked for or picked up (obviously not hit from) since the ball should be considered out of bounds.

Just curious what most pet owners allow for their dog's bathroom habit. I don't own one so I'd like to know how you go about accomplishing the daily habit.

[PammyJ]

Wow! I find some of the comments over the top! I have a pet friendly front yard. Waste is picked up, who cares! I love seeing the cute furry dogs walk along our street. I even have treats to give them when they walk by. It all depends on how you view things whether or not this bothers you. Each to his own! But, we all have to share this world and get along...pick your battles for what is really important.

If the entitlement posts are meant for me. I Never said I let my dogs do their thing wherever AND I don't need an explanation of what this means to be a responsible dog owner, I said it doesn't bother me and I will offer treats to dogs that come in my yard. If we allowed signs in our yards here, maybe we could let people know if your yard is dog friendly or not, just an idea! So we don't offend those who don't like it.

[Patty55]

I have lived in a lot of places and have never seen such anger and malice directed at people and animals.

A week or so ago someone posted that their friend left meat with exlax in their front yard "to get their point across". Judging by most of the pets I see that would be the equivalent of an adult man ingesting 15-20 pills. Grant it, nobody would allow their dog to eat such a thing but sometimes pets get loose.

You don't have to voice every thought that crosses your mind, you don't have to act on every impulse. Every time I see a child out of control running around the supermarket I resist the urge to stick out my foot to trip them. Sometimes it's not easy-LOL.

As far as your precious lawns, the grass here looks like crabgrass to me. You probably couldn't kill it if you tried.

[DougB]

I have lived in a lot of places and have never seen such anger and malice directed at people and animals.

A week or so ago someone posted that their friend left meat with exlax in their front yard "to get their point across". Judging by most of the pets I see that would be the equivalent of an adult man ingesting 15-20 pills. Grant it, nobody would allow their dog to eat such a thing but sometimes pets get loose.

You don't have to voice every thought that crosses your mind, you don't have to act on every impulse. Every time I see a child out of control running around the supermarket I resist the urge to stick out my foot to trip them. Sometimes it's not easy-LOL.

As far as your precious lawns, the grass here looks like crabgrass to me. You probably couldn't kill it if you tried.


:mademyday:

[kittygilchrist]

I'm trying to get my head around why people think it's ok for dogs to go on private property (picked up or not). Can anybody help me who thinks that--what is the reasoning? I just don't get it.

I'm trying to think of analogies...bear with me please. I would like sincere responses from people who think it's ok to let pets go on private property how these situations may differ in your mind from your dog's picked up poop.

Say you're walking the dog in a small town and a guy spits his tobacco wad on your dog, says, "oops, I'll clean it up. they ought to put someplace to spit around here" and wipes the dog off.
The dog is your property, the guy cleaned it up.---Is this ok?
If it happened repeatedly, would you keep going there?

Say your car is parked at the grocery while you're shopping in the only shady spot. Staff have historically been smoking and eating lunch under that tree. Jane has eaten her messy oriental food from your hood. She is cleaning up the mess with iced tea on a napkin when you come out with groceries.
"Hey, the car is clean now. They should put picnic tables out here."
The car is your property. People have to eat-----Is this ok?
If this became the norm at groceries with shade, would you park in the shade?

[Polar Bear]

...Say you're walking the dog in a small town and a guy spits his tobacco wad on your dog, says, "oops, I'll clean it up. they ought to put someplace to spit around here" and wipes the dog off.
The dog is your property, the guy cleaned it up.---Is this ok?
If it happened repeatedly, would you keep going there?

Say your car is parked at the grocery while you're shopping in the only shady spot. Staff have historically been smoking and eating lunch under that tree. Jane has eaten her messy oriental food from your hood. She is cleaning up the mess with iced tea on a napkin when you come out with groceries.
"Hey, the car is clean now. They should put picnic tables out here."
The car is your property. People have to eat-----Is this ok?
If this became the norm at groceries with shade, would you park in the shade?

Kitty, I generally agree with most of your posts in this thread, but you can't honestly think these are even remotely comparable examples, can you??!!??

[gerryann]

You can't honestly think these are even remotely comparable examples, can you??!!??

I agree. I don't get the comparison ????

[kittygilchrist]

Kitty, I generally agree with most of your posts in this thread, but you can't honestly think these are even remotely comparable examples, can you??!!??

Thank you for asking respectfully.

Person A owns property.
Person B adversely affects the property.
Person B cleans up the property.

Why are they not comparable situations?
Sincerely wondering?
Kitty

[Taltarzac725]

...but a constant companion, protector, friend, bodyguard, clown, sometimes bed mate, etc.

I have met almost no dogs that I did not find something good to say about them. Cannot say the same about many people.

I suppose if someone were walking their horse up and down my street and letting its manure stand on the street and on my yard's grass I would have a problem with this but I cannot think of any horse owner who would do this.

Thank you for asking respectfully.

Person A owns property.
Person B adversely affects the property.
Person B cleans up the property.

Why are they not comparable situations?
Sincerely wondering?
Kitty

[zonerboy]

Kitty, although I am a dog owner I generally do my best not to allow my dog to place a paw on any one else"s property when we are out walking. But I am willing to speculate as to why other people might do so.
My guess is that they do so because they somehow think it is basically harmless. No harm, no foul, so to speak.
For example, I am strolling down the sidewalk alone. I encounter two ladies walking side by side in the opposite direction taking up the entire width of the sidewalk. They are chatting away and do not notice me. So to avoid being bumped into I step off the sidewalk and stand on your lawn until they pass. So technically I have just trespassed on your property. But since I can imagine no harm being done, I don't give it a second thought. Do you think that this is an unreasonable attitude on my part?
Or lets say I"m walking down the sidewalk with my dog beside me. I'm not paying attention and as we pass your yard, he suddenly lifts his leg and "marks" (pees on) one of your bushes. Half an hour later I see you outside and say "I'm sorry, but my dog peed on one of your bushes a while ago". Do you actually think you could go over and discover which bush it was without my telling you? If you went out and looked every day for a month, do you think you could tell which bush it was?
I pick up my dog's poop from my yard everyday. Most time it is solid enough that, after picking it up there is no visible residual. Is my yard still somehow to be considered contaminated in some manner? If the poop is somewhat mushy and there is a residual, how long should the area be considered contaminated in your opinion? In my experience, if I go looking the next day, I cannot pinpoint exactly where that poop had been. Is it still dangerous or to be considered somehow unpleasant? How long does such a condition persist?
Sorry to be commenting in such gross detail, but it seems a matter of such extreme concern for some people, that I felt I had little choice if I wished to understand where others are coming from.

[KeepingItReal]

Kitty, although I am a dog owner I generally do my best not to allow my dog to place a paw on any one else"s property when we are out walking. But I am willing to speculate as to why other people might do so.
My guess is that they do so because they somehow think it is basically harmless. No harm, no foul, so to speak.
For example, I am strolling down the sidewalk alone. I encounter two ladies walking side by side in the opposite direction taking up the entire width of the sidewalk. They are chatting away and do not notice me. So to avoid being bumped into I step off the sidewalk and stand on your lawn until they pass. So technically I have just trespassed on your property. But since I can imagine no harm being done, I don't give it a second thought. Do you think that this is an unreasonable attitude on my part?
Or lets say I"m walking down the sidewalk with my dog beside me. I'm not paying attention and as we pass your yard, he suddenly lifts his leg and "marks" (pees on) one of your bushes. Half an hour later I see you outside and say "I'm sorry, but my dog peed on one of your bushes a while ago". Do you actually think you could go over and discover which bush it was without my telling you? If you went out and looked every day for a month, do you think you could tell which bush it was?
I pick up my dog's poop from my yard everyday. Most time it is solid enough that, after picking it up there is no visible residual. Is my yard still somehow to be considered contaminated in some manner? If the poop is somewhat mushy and there is a residual, how long should the area be considered contaminated in your opinion? In my experience, if I go looking the next day, I cannot pinpoint exactly where that poop had been. Is it still dangerous or to be considered somehow unpleasant? How long does such a condition persist?
Sorry to be commenting in such gross detail, but it seems a matter of such extreme concern for some people, that I felt I had little choice if I wished to understand where others are coming from.

Some of your questions are answered here. You sound like a very responsible owner.

Facts About the Dangers of Dog Poop
Dog poop is a problem we deal with on a daily basis. But is it dangerous? How much do you know? Is pet waste a health hazard?

Here are the dangerous facts:

1. Dog poop is NOT good fertilizer. It's toxic to your lawn! The high nutrient concentration in dog poop will burn and discolor the grass, creating "hot spots".

2. Nearly two decades ago, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) classified pet waste as a dangerous pollutant in the same category as toxic chemicals and oil.

3. You may not live near water, but unscooped poop from your yard is carried by overland water flow or is washed into storm drains, ending up in far away streams, rivers and ground water.

4. The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirms pet waste can spread parasites including hookworms, ringworms, tapeworms and Salmonella. When infected dog poop comes into contact with your lawn, the poop will eventually "disappear", but the parasite eggs can linger for years! When a human or animal comes into contact with that soil through everyday activities like walking barefoot, gardening or playing, they risk infection from those eggs ... even years after the poop is gone.

5. Pet waste is teaming with E. Coli and other harmful bacteria including fecal coliform bacteria, which causes serious kidney disorders, intestinal illness, cramps and diarrhea in humans. (There are 23 million fecal coliform bacteria in a single gram of pet waste!)

6. Dog poop often contains roundworm larvae, which cause blindness. If a human ingests a roundworm larva, it can migrate through the body causing disease to the brain, lungs, kidneys, liver, heart or eyes. So when people (especially children) touch soil, dog toys or anything that has been in contact with dog feces and then touch their mouths, they can become infected.

Dog poop doesn't just "wash away" or disappear. So if you're not disposing of your dog's waste, you're putting yourself, your family, your dog and your water supply at risk.

[Patty55]

I suppose if someone were walking their horse up and down my street and letting its manure stand on the street and on my yard's grass I would have a problem with this but I cannot think of any horse owner who would do this.

It happens all the time, usually not on the street because the horses I know are a little too "UP" to be ridden on the street. They cut through other peoples property and they drop manure. It's not like they have a groom running behind them with a muck bucket.

[kittygilchrist]

Kitty, although I am a dog owner I generally do my best not to allow my dog to place a paw on any one else"s property when we are out walking. But I am willing to speculate as to why other people might do so.
My guess is that they do so because they somehow think it is basically harmless. No harm, no foul, so to speak.
For example, I am strolling down the sidewalk alone. I encounter two ladies walking side by side in the opposite direction taking up the entire width of the sidewalk. They are chatting away and do not notice me. So to avoid being bumped into I step off the sidewalk and stand on your lawn until they pass. So technically I have just trespassed on your property. But since I can imagine no harm being done, I don't give it a second thought. Do you think that this is an unreasonable attitude on my part?
Or lets say I"m walking down the sidewalk with my dog beside me. I'm not paying attention and as we pass your yard, he suddenly lifts his leg and "marks" (pees on) one of your bushes. Half an hour later I see you outside and say "I'm sorry, but my dog peed on one of your bushes a while ago". Do you actually think you could go over and discover which bush it was without my telling you? If you went out and looked every day for a month, do you think you could tell which bush it was?
I pick up my dog's poop from my yard everyday. Most time it is solid enough that, after picking it up there is no visible residual. Is my yard still somehow to be considered contaminated in some manner? If the poop is somewhat mushy and there is a residual, how long should the area be considered contaminated in your opinion? In my experience, if I go looking the next day, I cannot pinpoint exactly where that poop had been. Is it still dangerous or to be considered somehow unpleasant? How long does such a condition persist?
Sorry to be commenting in such gross detail, but it seems a matter of such extreme concern for some people, that I felt I had little choice if I wished to understand where others are coming from.

It sounds like you do your best. To me it is black and white. If it is not my property, I have no right to be there, especially not allowing an animal to use it for a bathroom.It isn't a matter of whether there is lasting harm. I can think of countless ways to violate private property secretly and without leaving a trace.

For example a group of teenagers decides to party in the backyard of a vacant house in a new construction area--what's the harm if they pick everything up? They can't imagine why anyone would care, and who will know?

They might say, there was no harm so why do you care....does that make it ok?

[Patty55]

It sounds like you do your best. To me it is black and white. If it is not my property, I have no right to be there, especially not allowing an animal to use it for a bathroom.It isn't a matter of whether there is lasting harm. I can think of countless ways to violate private property secretly and without leaving a trace.

For example a group of teenagers decides to party in the backyard of a vacant house in a new construction area--what's the harm if they pick everything up? They can't imagine why anyone would care, and who will know?

They might say, there was no harm so why do you care....does that make it ok?

So, what will you do? Have your dog never leave the little yard? Doesn't sound much of a life for her.

[Wi11iam]

I have lived in a lot of places and have never seen such anger and malice directed at people and animals.

A week or so ago someone posted that their friend left meat with exlax in their front yard "to get their point across". Judging by most of the pets I see that would be the equivalent of an adult man ingesting 15-20 pills. Grant it, nobody would allow their dog to eat such a thing but sometimes pets get loose.

You don't have to voice every thought that crosses your mind, you don't have to act on every impulse. Every time I see a child out of control running around the supermarket I resist the urge to stick out my foot to trip them. Sometimes it's not easy-LOL.

As far as your precious lawns, the grass here looks like crabgrass to me. You probably couldn't kill it if you tried.

yeah Patty:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:
I do not know u .... But well said...it is becoming vicious toward man and beast.

[kittygilchrist]

So, what will you do? Have your dog never leave the little yard? Doesn't sound much of a life for her.

Not at all, Patty. I didn't say that and never will. Not sure how you got that idea. Simply don't walk the dog where it can go on private property.

[Polar Bear]

Thank you for asking respectfully.

Person A owns property.
Person B adversely affects the property.
Person B cleans up the property.

Why are they not comparable situations?
Sincerely wondering?
Kitty

Simply because they are not. Your attempt at simplification does not change the fact that they are not even remotely comparable. It's too obvious to require specifics.

[Patty55]

Not at all, Patty. I didn't say that and never will. Not sure how you got that idea. Simply don't walk the dog where it can go on private property.

Sounds like a plan, where would that be?

[gomoho]

I always wondered when walking in a national park with horse trails why I was required to pick up my dog's poop, but horse owners had no such obligation. Wonder how that would go down in TV???

[KeepingItReal]

As confirmed once again by this thread still going this is apparently a larger problem than most ever thought and one that definitely raises blood pressures. To some the dogs have become family, or even replaced family, sometimes to the extreme.
It is really hard to understand why one would own a pet that they cannot control. Many have said sometimes pets just do what they do and sometimes they get loose and sometimes you just cannot stop them from going. Some of the same have expressed ire with out of control children they have seen as they too also appeared out of control. For some reason they didn't seem to have the same compassion for the parents of those children or even the children as they did for the pets. Children are people and should behave but surely would receive compassion over animals.
Thanks to the many that walk their dogs everyday and are always mindful and keep the dogs close to them and out of yards. Whether it really does any harm or not most people I think just feel it is disrespectful for anyone to allow their animals to scratch around and leave excrement on their property without their permission. A lot of times the scratching with front and back feet after the deed is done does pull up grass. Not all dogs do this but the ones that do tear up grass. Then the owner has to make a trip out to retrieve the package as well. A single occurrence would probably not be a big deal for anyone but numerous occurrences day after day does become a problem.
It's really not anyone's right to look at another’s lawn and say it’s just grass or it is not pretty enough to worry about keeping off their property. It's their property and it's important to them.
It’s obvious a lot of pet owner’s don’t think it is a problem since they are so enamored with the pet they actually think they can do no wrong. This is OK for them but there’s nothing that can be said that will justify not keeping them under total control and realizing not everyone agrees and has a singular right to control anything that happens on their own property.

[Jaggy]

Why am I still reading this thread? I think my head rolled off somewhere on Page 4 ...

[Patty55]

I always wondered when walking in a national park with horse trails why I was required to pick up my dog's poop, but horse owners had no such obligation. Wonder how that would go down in TV???

Horse people don't have a problem because they can't catch them, besides, everyone knows that MANURE HAPPENS.

[ilovetv]

"...A single occurrence would probably not be a big deal for anyone but numerous occurrences day after day does become a problem.

It's really not anyone's right to look at another’s lawn and say it’s just grass or it is not pretty enough to worry about keeping off their property. It's their property and it's important to them...."

This leads to my continuing question which is: When a homeowner has made it clear they do not want dog owners allowing their dogs to mess on their private property--their lawn--why do the dog owners continue to do what they've been asked not to do??? This is just plain disrespectful!

And just now, as I came westward on O'Dell just inside the gate in front of Havana CC, I saw a woman with her dog on the golf course and about 15 ft. away from the sidewalk. The dog was lifting its leg on a course boundary post or other such short white box or post that was part of the course. Now is THIS something nobody should say nothing about, too?? Or is golf course turf pretty enough and expensive enough that the person should be told to STOP it?

[graciegirl]

It isn't a problem for the overwhelming majority, the one Billethekid is always talking about. I don't have a dog. I do so like them with the exception of Pitbulls and they scare me. We have two cats, Mikey, Harry and Hershey and they stay inside our home. We see people walking their dogs in this village and we saw them walking them in Hadley. I know the name of every dog that walks around in my area. I like them. They are warm and nice and each has their own personality.

So far, no dog has done his business on our property with the exception of some close friend dogs who will hike their leg and mark our bushes while their owners are chatting to us. Hasn't hurt the bushes.

Some people are pet people and some people have absolutely NO use for animals in their home or on their property. That doesn't make them wrong, it just makes them puzzling to me. I am probably ten times worse to THEM so it all evens out.

I am glad we have lotsa dogs and I have had not one single problem so far.

[Tom Grooms]

Are we sure it's "not a problem for the overwhelming majority"? Any data to back that up or is that an assumption?

I would personally like all dog walkers to assume that it's NOT ok to go in people's yards. I'm training them, one by one.

[Rbgold]

Can I cry "UNCLE" now??? PLEASE??!!

[kittygilchrist]

As confirmed once again by this thread still going this is apparently a larger problem than most ever thought and one that definitely raises blood pressures. To some the dogs have become family, or even replaced family, sometimes to the extreme.
It is really hard to understand why one would own a pet that they cannot control. Many have said sometimes pets just do what they do and sometimes they get loose and sometimes you just cannot stop them from going. Some of the same have expressed ire with out of control children they have seen as they too also appeared out of control. For some reason they didn't seem to have the same compassion for the parents of those children or even the children as they did for the pets. Children are people and should behave but surely would receive compassion over animals.
Thanks to the many that walk their dogs everyday and are always mindful and keep the dogs close to them and out of yards. Whether it really does any harm or not most people I think just feel it is disrespectful for anyone to allow their animals to scratch around and leave excrement on their property without their permission. A lot of times the scratching with front and back feet after the deed is done does pull up grass. Not all dogs do this but the ones that do tear up grass. Then the owner has to make a trip out to retrieve the package as well. A single occurrence would probably not be a big deal for anyone but numerous occurrences day after day does become a problem.
It's really not anyone's right to look at another’s lawn and say it’s just grass or it is not pretty enough to worry about keeping off their property. It's their property and it's important to them.
It’s obvious a lot of pet owner’s don’t think it is a problem since they are so enamored with the pet they actually think they can do no wrong. This is OK for them but there’s nothing that can be said that will justify not keeping them under total control and realizing not everyone agrees and has a singular right to control anything that happens on their own property.

I saw a great example tonight of controlling the dog:
owner is walking small white fluffy down the residential street passing by an unbuilt lot.

She has a retractable leash and is holding it in both hands, with most of it retracted, allowing the dog 6 feet of lead, enough for the dog to walk on the unbuilt lot. when they continue past the grass of a private residence, she shortens the lead to 4 feet and walks far enough from the grass that fluffy has to walk in the street with her.
Well done, neighbor!

[ilovetv]

I saw a great example tonight of controlling the dog:
owner is walking small white fluffy down the residential street passing by an unbuilt lot.

She has a retractable leash and is holding it in both hands, with most of it retracted, allowing the dog 6 feet of lead, enough for the dog to walk on the unbuilt lot. when they continue past the grass of a private residence, she shortens the lead to 4 feet and walks far enough from the grass that fluffy has to walk in the street with her.
Well done, neighbor!

Good example. Why this has to be explained and illustrated to people who've lived this long, and should be smarter than a 5th grader, is beyond me. We were taught in 1962 as we walked home from school that we were not supposed to trespass on homeowners' yards and we were to stay on the sidewalk.

Somehow we just knew that if walking/playing on somebody else's yard was not allowed, leaving dog feces on it was far worse and far more unacceptable.

[Polar Bear]

Are we sure it's "not a problem for the overwhelming majority"? Any data to back that up or is that an assumption?...

I'm not sure what would constitute data to back that up, but I personally think Gracie's right.

There are a few dog owners that don't respect others' property. There are far more that do. There are a few non dog owners that impose unreasonable expectations on dog owners. There are far more that do not.

[Tom Grooms]

I thought she was saying the overwhelming majority of home owners think it's ok for dogs to pee and poop all over their lawn.

And what exactly is unreasonable expectations? My expectations are your dog should never under any circumstances pee or poop on my turf. If you allow that behavior and you get caught, prepare for a confrontation.

[Polar Bear]

I thought she was saying the overwhelming majority of home owners think it's ok for dogs to pee and poop all over their lawn...

I don't think so.

...And what exactly is unreasonable expectations...

I'll leave that to each individual. But I do believe some unreasonable expectations have been put forth in this thread.

...My expectations are your dog should never under any circumstances pee or poop on my turf. If you allow that behavior and you get caught, prepare for a confrontation.

Now here's where I'll probably incur your wrath...

While I totally respect your opinion and property rights, I believe if an otherwise well-mannered owner, with bag in hand ready for a #2, allows his/her dog to pee on grass near the street in front of your property, a confrontation would be pushing the limits of reasonable behavior.

[Tom Grooms]

I guess some people just need confrontations to escalate before they understand.

Be safe out there, your misguided judgement, sense of entitlement and outright lack of respect might get you in a situation you won't like...

I don't get it, Is it sooooo important for your dog to not have to poop in the street that you are willing to take that risk?

[kittygilchrist]

Polar Bear, You've demonstrated exactly why this issue is unresolved, that in your mind you "totally respect..property rights" , consider yourself "well-mannered" and think it is reasonable for your dog to pee on the homeowner's grass.

I would consider your allowing the dog to pee in my yard to be ill-mannered, and disrespectful, and I would confront you too, even though MY dog is allowed to pee in my yard. The point is not the pee, it is that no matter what you are doing on my property, if you are there to help yourself to a piece of it, I will feel that you have no respect.

That said, I respect your having a different opinion and would gently ask that you not do that on my yard with a smile, the first time.

[Parker]

When my dog poops in my yard I pick it up, so I won't step in it, so it won't attract flies, and out of consideration for my lawn guys. If your dog poops in my yard, and you pick it up, I don't care about it. If your dog poops in my yard, and you don't pick it up, and I step in it, I'll be upset about it. Not homicidal, just upset.

[jdsl1998]

When my dog poops in my yard I pick it up, so I won't step in it, so it won't attract flies, and out of consideration for my lawn guys. If your dog poops in my yard, and you pick it up, I don't care about it. If your dog poops in my yard, and you don't pick it up, and I step in it, I'll be upset about it.

Well said. We live in a known pet friendly town. This is a very simple concept.

[kittygilchrist]

Well said. We live in a known pet friendly town. This is a very simple concept.

I agree to disagree. My views are not your views. I finally get this.
duh,
Kitty

[graciegirl]

I meant that I think that most people, the majority, are responsible. The ones that are not....nothing will change them on this issue or anything else that requires them to think of others.

And that is what is wrong with the world, with any community, with government and with social interactions of any kind.

We do not live on this planet alone. We need to take care of ourselves, our own family and belongings and watch out for others. We do not have a right to take what isn't ours, infringe on others rights and act like we have no responsibility.

A pet is a member of our family, if we wouldn't let our child poop in someone's elses area, well you can put the rest together. I am blessed that I have only run into one neighbor who set out with a pup and no bag.
He didn't seem to care about anyone else on other matters either.

Blessedly he doesn't read this forum.

I hope.

[birdawg]

Polar Bear, You've demonstrated exactly why this issue is unresolved, that in your mind you "totally respect..property rights" , consider yourself "well-mannered" and think it is reasonable for your dog to pee on the homeowner's grass.

I would consider your allowing the dog to pee in my yard to be ill-mannered, and disrespectful, and I would confront you too, even though MY dog is allowed to pee in my yard. The point is not the pee, it is that no matter what you are doing on my property, if you are there to help yourself to a piece of it, you have no respect.

Well said. it's about respect of one's neighbors

[Patty55]

When my dog poops in my yard I pick it up, so I won't step in it, so it won't attract flies, and out of consideration for my lawn guys. If your dog poops in my yard, and you pick it up, I don't care about it. If your dog poops in my yard, and you don't pick it up, and I step in it, I'll be upset about it. Not homicidal, just upset.

Finally, the voice of reason.

[Polar Bear]

Polar Bear, You've demonstrated exactly why this issue is unresolved, that in your mind you "totally respect..property rights" , consider yourself "well-mannered" and think it is reasonable for your dog to pee on the homeowner's grass.

I would consider your allowing the dog to pee in my yard to be ill-mannered, and disrespectful, and I would confront you too, even though MY dog is allowed to pee in my yard. The point is not the pee, it is that no matter what you are doing on my property, if you are there to help yourself to a piece of it, I will feel that you have no respect.

That said, I respect your having a different opinion and would gently ask that you not do that on my yard with a smile, the first time.

I must clarify one thing, then I'm (hopefully..heheh) going to bow out of this thread...

I am NOT one of those who will let my dog pee on your property. I DO respect your property rights. I don't foresee a confrontation in our future. :^) I was only stating my opinion regarding what is reasonable, not what I (and my dog) would do.

I would not appreciate dog owners taking advantage of my property either, like leaving #2 in my yard. I just don't have a problem with an occasional pee in my yard. IMHO, it's harmless.

[GeoGeo]

I don't mind if someone's dog is walking by and happens to poo in my yard, as long as the owner cleans it up. The pee doesn't seem to do any harm. The dog may have gone in its own yard before the walk. You never know when nature is going to call again. What irks me is that we had a neighbor who would let her dog do its business in my yard every single day. Never her yard. We didn't want to cause a war so we never said anything. That is what gripes me. A passing dog fine, but not those neighbors who think your yard is their dogs bathroom area. I also had a neighbor across the street that did the same thing with the neighbor beside him. And what about the people who take their dogs to places where the leash law is in effect and think they are abiding by the law just because they have the leash in their hand.....not attached to the dog....and the dog gets out of site. If they can't see the dog, how do they know if their dog needs to be cleaned up after?

[queasy27]

Okay, silver lining time!

At least most of the dogs here are tiny. :smiley:

[kittygilchrist]

Okay, silver lining time!

At least most of the dogs here are tiny. :smiley:

and mine isn't, but she teaches ME better manners, the regal Emma...
Kitty

[kittygilchrist]

I must clarify one thing, then I'm (hopefully..heheh) going to bow out of this thread...

I am NOT one of those who will let my dog pee on your property. I DO respect your property rights. I don't foresee a confrontation in our future. :^) I was only stating my opinion regarding what is reasonable, not what I (and my dog) would do.

I would not appreciate dog owners taking advantage of my property either, like leaving #2 in my yard. I just don't have a problem with an occasional pee in my yard. IMHO, it's harmless.

I'm tired of this thread too, PB, and glad we see pretty much eye to eye...
be well and enjoy paradise!

[dmorhome]

Just a related question, since I feel a bit ornery today...

I haven't checked if this applies to TV, but usually sidewalk is placed a couple feet inside the right-of-way, not on the actual house lot (even though the homeowner is typically responsible for mowing the grass). So if a dog is allowed to use this portion of the right-of-way, does that constitute improperly using another person's property/lawn?

yes it does

[red tail]

I watched a gaggle of geese 'doing it' on private property this morning. they leave deposits much like a dog. their leavings do the same damage as a dog, which is not much!

[Roaddog53]

I think some are missing the point in much of the discussions. It is not the act of wild animals or birds that is the issue. No one can control their actions unless perhaps a fence is put up as a barrier. We used to live on a lake and the only way to stop geese, or ducks from pooping on the lawn was to put up a string along the edge and constant vigilance. Another reason here why directly living on a pond or prairie has a disadvantage. Lol
The point here is people control their dogs by the leash and their actions, whether they claim it being an accident or purposely that the dog/ owner is on the property. Who controls who than? That is why many say it is rude, and self-centered, let alone ill-mannered and the owners feel entitled to use what they want, where and when they want. Whether it be a golf ball, dog, walking for short cuts, looking in private homes, stickers on mailboxes, and so on...

[Barefoot]

I'm trying to get my head around why people think it's ok for dogs to go on private property (picked up or not). Can anybody help me who thinks that--what is the reasoning? I just don't get it.


Kittty, I don't think anyone here is advocating that dog owners think it is OK to go on private property! Even though we don't personally take our dogs to the mail station area, I do understand (with the lack of dog parks), that people want to sometimes take their dogs for walks off their property.

Of course, it goes wiithout saying, that all responsible pet owners in The Villages pick up after their dogs. Except for a few creeps. Probably the same yahoos that leave cigarette butts everywhere they go. Probably the same yahoos that throw coffee cups out the windows of their cars.

[kittygilchrist]

Kittty, I don't think anyone here is advocating that dog owners think it is OK to go on private property! Even though we don't personally take our dogs to the mail station area, I do understand (with the lack of dog parks), that people want to sometimes take their dogs for walks off their property.

Of course, it goes wiithout saying, that all responsible pet owners in The Villages pick up after their dogs. Except for a few creeps. Probably the same yahoos that leave cigarette butts everywhere they go. Probably the same yahoos that throw coffee cups out the windows of their cars.

Hmm. I read a lot of posts from people who seem to think their neighbors' yards are ok to pee and ok to poop if you pick it up...

Today I walked my dog past other dog-walking neighbors. They walked on the edge of the street with a 8 foot lead and let the dog walk in every single yard. They even walked their dog through yards located right across the street from an unbuilt lot where the dog could have gone...and where mine did go. It looked to me like they were walking carefully along the edge to allow the dog every possible yard to choose wherever it wanted to go. I'm gonna get a couple of "please keep off grass" signs.

I'm not trying to start a riot, but after researching laws, it looks like it is a first degree misdemeanor with a penalty of $1000 for trespass that leaves waste on homeowner yards. Please, no attacks. It's information, or how I read the statute anyway...

[birdawg]

Hmm. I read a lot of posts from people who seem to think their neighbors' yards are ok to pee and ok to poop if you pick it up...

Today I walked my dog past other dog-walking neighbors. They walked on the edge of the street with a 8 foot lead and let the dog walk in every single yard. They even walked their dog through yards located right across the street from an unbuilt lot where the dog could have gone...and where mine did go. It looked to me like they were walking carefully along the edge to allow the dog every possible yard to choose wherever it wanted to go. I'm gonna get a couple of "please keep off grass" signs.

I'm not trying to start a riot, but after researching laws, it looks like it is a first degree misdemeanor with a penalty of $1000 for trespass that leaves waste on homeowner yards. Please, no attacks. It's information, or how I read the statute anyway...

You are 100% right It is considered a trespass the owner of the dog recives the citation.I Spoke with the sheriff take a picture and they will issue a summons even if the dog does not relieve itself .and yes it's a misdemeanor

[kimball]

I watched a gaggle of geese 'doing it' on private property this morning. they leave deposits much like a dog. their leavings do the same damage as a dog, which is not much!

Were they on a leash or were they range free geese?

[Parker]

Yes Kitty, I have seen owners who do, in fact, ENCOURAGE their dogs to sniff and go on lawns they are passing. An accidental emergency poop I can understand. They are animals after all. But please have the curtesy to be the tiniest bit embarrassed, and pick it up if you have supplies with you, which you should. All will be happily forgiven under such circumstances. I love dogs too.

[ilovetv]

As I went north on Canal St. this morning, just before the gate at Bonita Blvd, a guy was walking his dog on the golf course on the right side. He himself was walking on the golf-course cart path there.......but the dog was out on an extended lead on the grass, sniffing all around on the golf course turf!

I stared and couldn't believe it, but the guy looked at me like "what's your problem??"

My answer verbally would have been "my problem is your attitude".

[Roaddog53]

You are 100% right It is considered a trespass the owner of the dog recives the citation.I Spoke with the sheriff take a picture and they will issue a summons even if the dog does not relieve itself .and yes it's a misdemeanor

Great idea. Time to have a camera available each time they use the lawn(s). Do you have to have a sign posted saying no trespassing for it to be valid? Perhaps some fines might help deter some of the ill-mannered ones. Let them explain their reasons they say here to the police and see if they buy it! :a20:

[Wi11iam]

Great idea. Time to have a camera available each time they use the lawn(s). Do you have to have a sign posted saying no trespassing for it to be valid? Perhaps some fines might help deter some of the ill-mannered ones. Let them explain their reasons they say here to the police and see if they buy it! :a20:


Is this still America's friendliest home town??????? Are we all going to reduce ourselves to cameras and threats??????? Instead of communicating with the person and pet involved. If a person walks across my lawn should I have my camera ready because he crushed my grass???.
Allowing our community to reduce itself to cameras and reporting people to the police seems totally contradictive to the life style.
I just don't get it,,,,,Life is way to short. No one was injured and no one died, sooooooooooooooo be grateful for all that has been given to you to enjoy the time you have left in this world. If all the energy invested in this post were used for charitable cause. A small fortune could have been raise.
MHO.
My last and only thought as this thread has deteriorated well below what I believe most of the people in tv are really like.:pray::pray:

[jblum315]

I will be so glad when this thread title is gone

[kittygilchrist]

I will be so glad when this thread title is gone

me too. that happens when we all quit posting.
:024: :oops:

[Roaddog53]

Oh Please.. Lol. This is a friendly and nice place with multiple cultures and one's norms prior to here. The majority of which are caring, fun, nice people. However, as mentioned numerous times here, (neighbors using others lawns but theirs, entitlements by those saying it is actually not ones property but ROW, i will do what i want since i did it where i was before, and today I also saw a woman climbing through a golf course property's shrubs looking for her ball against the birdcage, shortcuts through yards, etc). It is the same ones that have been asked, or signs explain it, that feel they can do what they want. We can talk here or with others until we are exhausted, and they still won't get it. It's an option if all else fails in efforts. Let's keep it friendly and respect others private properties and all will be good.

[kittygilchrist]

Great idea. Time to have a camera available each time they use the lawn(s). Do you have to have a sign posted saying no trespassing for it to be valid? Perhaps some fines might help deter some of the ill-mannered ones. Let them explain their reasons they say here to the police and see if they buy it! :a20:

you don't need such a sign, but why not just put out a keep off grass sign. I think that will do it for those of us who prefer not to have walkers there. I expect people would respect that without my having to worry, stress or feel creepy and on guard like I'm trying to catch somebody. And everybody lived happily ever after....

[Patty55]

Have you all lost your minds? You want to bring CRIMINAL charges against your neighbors because their 12 lb dogs stepped in your yard? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I say "Go for it." I don't know where you all got your law degrees, maybe the colleges in Grenada were full so you were forced to Google.

Here's how it will play out, LE will think your crazy but will take the complaint, they will arrest your neighbor who will more than likely be bonded out with $100 station house bail. Assuming your neighbor hasn't had any prior convictions the case will be adjourned in contemplation of dismissal.

The real fun comes into play if your friendly neighbor insists on going to trial. Do you really think your average Sumter County jury will convict? One of the beautiful things about our justice system is a little thing called malicious prosectution, a civil charge that can (and IMO should)be brought against you.

Think long and hard before heading down this road. It likely could cost you thousands in legal fees, thousands more in damages and you will be spending the rest of your natural life tied up in litigation.

I say GO FOR IT, LET THE GAMES BEGIN.

[ajbrown]

Is this still America's friendliest home town??????? Are we all going to reduce ourselves to cameras and threats??????? <stuff snipped from post by Alan for brevity>

I think the issue with your post is this is just Florida's Friendliest home town. In America's friendliest hometown I have read you can actually bring your pets into someone's home to beg at the table during dinner and relieve themselves if that is what they need to do. It is understood when you buy there, you should put newspaper down or gates up when folks come over.

I forget where this is and do not have the link, sorry....

[Tom Grooms]

Malicious prosecution? Jury trials? Hahahahaha You cant win that case. 1 paw in someone's yard is trespassing. It doesn't matter how much you love your dog, it's still trespassing.

[ajbrown]

Have you all lost your minds? You want to bring CRIMINAL charges against your neighbors because their 12 lb dogs stepped in your yard? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I say "Go for it." I don't know where you all got your law degrees, maybe the colleges in Grenada were full so you were forced to Google.

<snuff snipped by alan for brevity>


Several weeks ago my Caly laid down a 3 b_a_gger in our yard. I cannot imagine this happening in someone else's yard. Three bags, a hose and I needed a shower after.....

I could see doing community service for that :jester:

[Patty55]

Malicious prosecution? Jury trials? Hahahahaha You cant win that case. 1 paw in someone's yard is trespassing. It doesn't matter how much you love your dog, it's still trespassing.

ONCE AGAIN, go for it.

[janmcn]

I wonder how many people have decided not to move to The Villages because of this thread...hundreds, thousands????????????

[kittygilchrist]

Poop Wars has become a pee for all. oh dear, at least we all know how other people might feel and how passionately we hold our views.

The posts on this thread have helped me immensely to understand how people think about property and their animals. I have a simple plan for protecting my property with keep off the grass signs (rear for golfers, front for walkers) and a gentle correction if needed.

thanks to all who posted. you saved me a million mistakes here at TV because I realize that all of us think that all of us should think like we do.
sincere thanks to the OP as well, :highfive:
Kitty

[Tom Grooms]

I don't believe we're allowed yard signs in the southern section of The Villages. We just have to train the owners. It takes time but eventually they will get it. Criminally, verbally or physically, they're all trainable...

[Jaggy]

My head just exploded.. i lost it around page 4.. now i am just ashamed of the entire bunch of you ..

[KeepingItReal]

.. now i am just ashamed of the entire bunch of you ..

Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing....

[gerryann]

Its disappointing to read this "garbage" on here. I know some of you just do it to get attention for whatever reason you need to get attention...but it's really too bad and very immature. Grow up!!!

[zonerboy]

Every time I think this thread is finally getting POOPED out, some one fires it up again!
Oh well!

[ilovetv]

At the very least, the title of the thread should be changed to "DOG" Pee and Poop Survey if it's going to live on in perpetuity.

People who are newcomers to this blog wouldn't know by looking at the list of threads that it's about "dog" waste and the humans who love them..

[kittygilchrist]

me too. that happens when we all quit posting.
:024: :oops:

Stop posting if you want the thread to die. It was only a few hours from oblivion...

[Moderator]

This thread has degraded into attacking each others motives rather than talking about dog poop. It's all been said, many times over.

Thread is now closed.

Moderator