Zimmerman Opinions

[OldManTime]

Is there anyone in TV that think Zimmerman is guilty, or not guilty

[Deerfly]

I do!

[DougB]

Haven't heard all the evidence yet.

[Taltarzac725]

Have to wait and see what the evidence actually looks like in this case. Too many political forces acting on this Trayvon Martin shooting for the truth to be all that self-evident.

[manaboutown]

Wonder how long this thread will run before it gets really heated?

[glencus]

Is there anyone in TV that think Zimmerman is guilty, or not guilty

Yes!

[justjim]

Haven't heard all the evidence yet.

I agree, too early to form a definite opinion yet. Whatever the outcome, media will make it controversial.

[Patty55]

I've read a lot of the evidence (thanks to Fl sunshine laws), of course I have an opinion.

Has that $hit stirrer Rev. Sharpton showed up yet?

All I know is I would hate to be on that jury.

[janmcn]

Is there anyone in TV that think Zimmerman is guilty, or not guilty



It doesn't look too good for Zimmerman based on recent 'stand your ground' verdicts. The man in Valrico, who killed the young father, got basically a life sentence since the shooter is in his sixties. A man in Texas got 35 years for shooting his neighbor because he was upset by the noise from a party. A man in Jacksonville was never even given bond for shooting a young, black man because his music was too loud.

Whatever the jury decides in the Zimmerman case, he will either be taken care of by the great state of Florida for the next several years, or he will have to move to another country for his own safety. Perhaps he and Casey Anthony could go into hiding together.

[Patty55]

It doesn't look too good for Zimmerman based on recent 'stand your ground' verdicts. The man in Valrico, who killed the young father, got basically a life sentence since the shooter is in his sixties. A man in Texas got 35 years for shooting his neighbor because he was upset by the noise from a party. A man in Jacksonville was never even given bond for shooting a young, black man because his music was too loud.

Whatever the jury decides in the Zimmerman case, he will either be taken care of by the great state of Florida for the next several years, or he will have to move to another country for his own safety. Perhaps he and Casey Anthony could go into hiding together.

I could be confused, but, I don't think they are using a "stand your ground" defense. I think they are going for self defense, again, could be wrong.

[redwitch]

I have some theories and it will be interesting to see if things played out the way I imagined they did, but no way could I convict Zimmerman on those theories at this time. Too many facts are missing and the odds are too many facts will never be known (at least not until Zimmerman writes a book).

Regardless of the verdict, I would hate to be in his shoes -- as was said, it is either prison or having to move away from his family and friends. Not pleasant choices.

[wendyquat]

He is definitely "innocent" as of this minute!

[kittygilchrist]

till proven guilty.

[Patty55]

...and he will never be "innocent" again. It makes me MENTAL when they say Casey Anthony and OJ were found innocent when if fact they were found "NOT GUILTY". Not quite the same as innocent.

[Bucco]

It doesn't look too good for Zimmerman based on recent 'stand your ground' verdicts. The man in Valrico, who killed the young father, got basically a life sentence since the shooter is in his sixties. A man in Texas got 35 years for shooting his neighbor because he was upset by the noise from a party. A man in Jacksonville was never even given bond for shooting a young, black man because his music was too loud.

Whatever the jury decides in the Zimmerman case, he will either be taken care of by the great state of Florida for the next several years, or he will have to move to another country for his own safety. Perhaps he and Casey Anthony could go into hiding together.

"Stand your ground" as. defense was discarded months ago, and in my opinion, if the publicity seeking politicians keep their nose out of it, all will be fine.

The publicity surrounding this case has subsided quite a bit as facts have emerged and the political gains are not so obvious.

I just hope justice is allowed to play out without the politics.

This case, without the Politics does not approach at all the sensationalism that surrounded Anthony.

[Parker]

I'll try to keep an open mind. Have to wonder if the truth will ever really be known. I just pray that justice will be done, whatever that is, and that God will bless both ravaged families.

[buggyone]

Self-defense is tough to establish since one person is dead and there were no witnesses to the killing. Bruises to the back of the head and the nose could be real or could be self-inflicted to make it look like self-defense after the killing and before the police arrived. No one knows as there were no witnesses.

Whatever the verdict, one "side" will be unhappy and will say that justice was not served. Whatever the verdict will be, Zimmerman's life changed forever when he killed Martin - he will either be in prison or will have to spend the rest of his life hiding for fear of retaliation.

[Virtual Geezer]

More evidence has been presented in the news media than in any other case I have ever seen and this is even before the trial begins. I would like to see more recent photos of Trevon before his death and not the one his lawyers circulated from years ago.

VG

[manaboutown]

More evidence has been presented in the news media than in any other case I have ever seen and this is even before the trial begins. I would like to see more recent photos of Trevon before his death and not the one his lawyers circulated from years ago.

VG

EDITED: Here are some of both Martin and Zimmerman if the link works. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-pictures-evidence-photos-released-in-the-shooting-death-of-trayvon-martin-20120517,0,6090406.photogallery

[DougB]

More evidence has been presented in the news media than in any other case I have ever seen and this is even before the trial begins. I would like to see more recent photos of Trevon before his death and not the one his lawyers circulated from years ago.

VG

Don't care what he looked like as a baby or one hour before his death. Only thing important is the facts as they occurred that terrible night.

[janmcn]

More evidence has been presented in the news media than in any other case I have ever seen and this is even before the trial begins. I would like to see more recent photos of Trevon before his death and not the one his lawyers circulated from years ago.

VG


What possible difference does it make what a victim looks like? Are you saying if they look one way they deserve to die, or if they look okay they can live?

[Patty55]

Here is one if the link works. Google Image Result for http://cdn.hiphopdx.org//images/news/Game_Trayvon_Martin-hhdx.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.hiphopdx.org//images/news/Game_Trayvon_Martin-hhdx.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.19164/title.game-weighs-in-on-trayvon-martin-shooting&h=304&w=304&sz=81&tbnid=EyUM57_IVCH1KM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=88&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtrayvon%2Bmartin%2Brecent%2Bphotos%26 tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=trayvon+martin+recent+photos&usg=__mV2byJvyK2xRNdjs91B5yXLmnuM=&docid=uodn3AxRpj12NM&sa=X&ei=xmXHUZucMKPiiALghIDQAw&ved=0CDQQ9QEwAg&dur=1488)

That isn't Trayvon, it's some rapper or something, can't remember his name.

[manaboutown]

That isn't Trayvon, it's some rapper or something, can't remember his name.

Thanks Patty. That photo appears to not be one of Martin so I edited my post.

[redwitch]

It should make absolutely no difference what Trayvon looked like. What should matter is how he behaved that evening; did he feel threatened? How did Zimmernan feel -- was he threatened; did Martin lay his hands on him and, if so, did Zimmerman truly think he was in mortal danger? Those are the issues, not what Trayvon Martin looked like either as 12-year-old or as a 16-year-old.

[looneycat]

It should make absolutely no difference what Trayvon looked like. What should matter is how he behaved that evening; did he feel threatened? How did Zimmernan feel -- was he threatened; did Martin lay his hands on him and, if so, did Zimmerman truly think he was in mortal danger? Those are the issues, not what Trayvon Martin looked like either as 12-year-old or as a 16-year-old.

I believe the point was that he towered over George and was not a little kid, which is very pertinent in terms of the physical threat perceived and physical capability in terms of a confrontation. The Martin family attorneys have purposely used old photos for press release to make him appear less threatening.

[T-325]

How many people have been killed in Detroit over the last few weeks and elsewhere. There are big problems involving handguns and crimes in much bigger numbers which are ignored by the media. Time for real solutions..

[Virtual Geezer]

What possible difference does it make what a victim looks like? Are you saying if they look one way they deserve to die, or if they look okay they can live?

Look at all the evidence that has been released to the news media and the jury was not even selected. Anyone in their right mind believe it will be a fair unbiased trial is just kidding themselves. I guess we will just have to wait and see what the gals decide.

VG

[BobnBev]

I find it hard to believe the damage to the back of Zimmerman's head
was self inflicted. I predict he will be found not guilty on any criminal charges, and Sanford will be a place to stay away from, cause there will be rioting in the streets.

There will be a federal civil wrongful death suit, and the parents will reap the benefits ($$$$$$$$$), after the lawyers get theirs, of course.

[Happinow]

Will anyone be watching the trial on a daily basis or will you be tuning in from time to time? I am very interested in this trial and will try to catch as much as I can.

[ugotme]

As in most of these cases no one will ever REALLY know the truth except the two men who were involved.

Just have to see which lawyers present the best case.

Unfortunately most times it isn't about "justice," it's just who has the best presentation.

[kittygilchrist]

post edited to delete content...letting go...

[Patty55]

I find it hard to believe the damage to the back of Zimmerman's head
was self inflicted. I predict he will be found not guilty on any criminal charges, and Sanford will be a place to stay away from, cause there will be rioting in the streets.

There will be a federal civil wrongful deatih suit, and the parents will reap the benefits ($$$$$$$$$), after the lawyers get theirs, of course.

The parents have already reaped benefits, they copyrighted the name Trayvon and the phrase "Justice for Trayvon". I'm betting they were paid a licensing fee for photos.

[jojoin]

What possible difference does it make what a victim looks like? Are you saying if they look one way they deserve to die, or if they look okay they can live?
I don't think that is what anyone is saying. I believe the issue with the photos is when the media kept showing the photo of Trayvon when he was about 12 so the message being sent is Zimmeman had shot a small 12 year old boy. If Trayvon was in fact a tall muscular teenager at the time, it is possible that Zimmeman's account of the shooting is accurate and there was an altercation where they were fighting for the gun and it became self defense. Who knows? We certainly don't. We only know the end result.

[manaboutown]

I don't think that is what anyone is saying. I believe the issue with the photos is when the media kept showing the photo of Trayvon when he was about 12 so the message being sent is Zimmeman had shot a small 12 year old boy. If Trayvon was in fact a tall muscular teenager at the time, it is possible that Zimmeman's account of the shooting is accurate and there was an altercation where they were fighting for the gun and it became self defense. Who knows? We certainly don't. We only know the end result.

Very well stated. The main stream media can not be trusted to present the facts. This statement nails it on the Martin photos as one example.

[Golfingnut]

It was two macho males. They both felt they were in the right. One had a bigger stick. End of fight. Without more evidence and information, I do not see murder in any degree nor do I see self defense. Perhaps involuntary manslaughter.

[queasy27]

I do not see murder in any degree nor do I see self defense. Perhaps involuntary manslaughter.

I do not see how this thread belongs in a general discussion about The Villages.

/librarian cataloging snit

[gomoho]

Unfortunately I believe the verdict will be based on which lawyer pulls out the best trick from his hat.

[redwitch]

It was two macho males. They both felt they were in the right. One had a bigger stick. End of fight. Without more evidence and information, I do not see murder in any degree nor do I see self defense. Perhaps involuntary manslaughter.

Close to my thinking of this case. Trayvon was approximately 6' tall, 160 pounds; Martin was 5'8", 194 pounds. Both were in good shape. Since we're having fits about the use of a picture of Trayvon when he was 12, maybe we should make an issue of the extreme and rapid weight gain of Martin. Could it be a defense ploy to make him look weaker than he was?

And it will be a battle of which attorney performs the best. Justice will not be an issue. Truth will be irrelevant.

[Parker]

I believe the point was that he towered over George and was not a little kid, which is very pertinent in terms of the physical threat perceived and physical capability in terms of a confrontation. The Martin family attorneys have purposely used old photos for press release to make him appear less threatening.

I did not know this. I assumed, based on the pictures in the news, that Zimmerman was the adult and towered over the teenager Martin. Another good reason to let the jury decide, the ones who'll have the facts before them.

[Golfingnut]

I do not see how this thread belongs in a general discussion about The Villages.

/librarian cataloging snit

You should tap the triangle in the upper right corner and report in to admin. I did not initiate this THREAD!!!!!

[Taltarzac725]

I do not see how this thread belongs in a general discussion about The Villages.

/librarian cataloging snit

It seems timely and a lot of people in the Villages are talking about this Zimmerman case.

Redwitch is right that it will come down to which lawyer puts on the best show for their side unless there are jurors who can think for themselves like with a 12 Angry Men scenario even though this would have to be called 6 angry women.

[DianeM]

Personally I will not be watching the gavel to gavel coverage on television. I'm sick of the subject being blown up on the news and in the papers. I'm at the stage of "I don't care".

[USSGompers]

Boy oh Boy- George Zimmerman's lawyer is a big buffoon. So inapt.

George will probably go down the river cause of him. Boring old sot!!

[gomoho]

Have to agree with you on that one - the opening statement of the prosecution told like a story, kept your attention and on the edge of your seat. The defense attorney came across like a blubbering idiot that was totally unprepared.

[justjim]

Maybe that is all the lawyer he could afford?

[jblum315]

Sounds a lot like the Casey Anthony trial, but she got off anyway

[rubicon]

The prosecutor, news media use old pictures to diminish the fact that Trayvon was more a man than a boy as he did in describing him as jus a kid going to the store getting skittles. these same people keep referring to Zimmerman size based on his weight today to exaggerate the difference in size between the two. How many guys do you know who could fit through a garden hose but can also clean your clock in a New York second.

The news media can not be trusted to be objective and they will support Trayvon and intimate race.

The fact that OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony were not found guilty demonstrates that the wild card is the jury. Those two cases were as transparent as glass but objectivity wouldn't get in the way of subjectivity It doesn't matter what the facts are. Also how a jury perceives an attorney will sway their opinion.

I believe society is making a big mistake with these publicity prone trials. I wish they would outlaw them because it has a material affect on outcomes
and interferes with one's due process

[USSGompers]

The prosecutor, news media use old pictures to diminish the fact that Trayvon was more a man than a boy as he did in describing him as jus a kid going to the store getting skittles. these same people keep referring to Zimmerman size based on his weight today to exaggerate the difference in size between the two. How many guys do you know who could fit through a garden hose but can also clean your clock in a New York second.

The news media can not be trusted to be objective and they will support Trayvon and intimate race.

The fact that OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony were not found guilty demonstrates that the wild card is the jury. Those two cases were as transparent as glass but objectivity wouldn't get in the way of subjectivity It doesn't matter what the facts are. Also how a jury perceives an attorney will sway their opinion.

I believe society is making a big mistake with these publicity prone trials. I wish they would outlaw them because it has a material affect on outcomes
and interferes with one's due process

I totally agree. Can NOT trust the media!!! Treyvon's 12 yr old pic drives me crazy!! So does the fact that everyone refers to him as an "unarmed teenager!"

He was 17- old enough to join the military and fight for his country with his parent's okay. He was NOT a kid, wet behind the ears. He was a thug and smoked dope and played with guns (as a minor).

Zimmerman had a concealed weapon's permit and felt his life was in danger. Anyway, I feel bad for George because his lawyer sounds like a blubbering idiot. The other lawyer seems to have all his ducks in a row.

In the words of the detective in the movie 'North to Northwest'- "Good-bye Thornhill (Zimmerman)- where ever you are!!" LOL

[buggyone]

I totally agree. Can NOT trust the media!!! Treyvon's 12 yr old pic drives me crazy!! So does the fact that everyone refers to him as an "unarmed teenager!"

He was 17- old enough to join the military and fight for his country with his parent's okay. He was NOT a kid, wet behind the ears. He was a thug and smoked dope and played with guns (as a minor).

Zimmerman had a concealed weapon's permit and felt his life was in danger. Anyway, I feel bad for George because his lawyer sounds like a blubbering idiot. The other lawyer seems to have all his ducks in a row.

In the words of the detective in the movie 'North to Northwest'- "Good-bye Thornhill (Zimmerman)- where ever you are!!" LOL

The undisputed fact IS Zimmerman did kill Martin! Would it have happened IF Zimmerman had minded his own business and not gotten out of his car with a loaded pistol and followed Martin? The answer is NO! Was Martin breaking any law by walking through Twin Lakes where he was staying? The answer is NO! Was there any reason for Zimmerman to go looking for him? The answer is NO!

Zimmerman was hunting for Martin. What happened is tragic and Zimmerman's life changed forever when Martin's ended.

'Nuff said.

[janmcn]

I totally agree. Can NOT trust the media!!! Treyvon's 12 yr old pic drives me crazy!! So does the fact that everyone refers to him as an "unarmed teenager!"

He was 17- old enough to join the military and fight for his country with his parent's okay. He was NOT a kid, wet behind the ears. He was a thug and smoked dope and played with guns (as a minor).

Zimmerman had a concealed weapon's permit and felt his life was in danger. Anyway, I feel bad for George because his lawyer sounds like a blubbering idiot. The other lawyer seems to have all his ducks in a row.

In the words of the detective in the movie 'North to Northwest'- "Good-bye Thornhill (Zimmerman)- where ever you are!!" LOL



George Zimmerman won't lose because of his blubbering lawyer, he will lose because of the facts in this case. When I heard parts of the opening argument by the prosecution, I thought why are we even having this trial? The facts are so clearly evident against Zimmerman, he should plead guilty and face the consequences.

When the defense attorney told his knock-knock joke, I had to turn the TV off. How disrespecful can you be to the court, the parents, and all in attendance?

Perhaps the media refers to Trayvon Martin as an "unarmed teenager" because that's what he was on that February night. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

[manaboutown]

The undisputed fact IS Zimmerman did kill Martin! Would it have happened IF Zimmerman had minded his own business and not gotten out of his car with a loaded pistol and followed Martin? The answer is NO! Was Martin breaking any law by walking through Twin Lakes where he was staying? The answer is NO! Was there any reason for Zimmerman to go looking for him? The answer is NO!

Zimmerman was hunting for Martin. What happened is tragic and Zimmerman's life changed forever when Martin's ended.

'Nuff said.

Zimmerman was not "hunting" for Martin. While driving down a street he noticed a strange young man on foot peering between houses and wanted to check him out.

Too, it would not have happened had Martin been at school in Miami rather than suspended and staying with his father and his father's girlfriend in Sanford. It would not have happened had there not been multiple burglaries, robberies and a shooting in the gated community within the last year or so which created the desire/need for a neighborhood watch program. It would not have happened had Martin been recognized as a resident by Zimmerman. It would not have happened had Martin not been on top of Zimmerman hitting him in the face and banging his head on the pavement. Check out the photos of Zimmerman's injuries and a RECENT photo of Martin.

[LndLocked]

Would not have happened if Zimmerman had NOT pursued as he was directed NOT TO by 911 dispatch

Would not have happened if Zimmerman had abided by the terms of his community watch agreement to NOT carry a firearm while on watch.

[USSGompers]

Zimmerman was not "hunting" for Martin. While driving down a street he noticed a strange young man on foot peering between houses and wanted to check him out.

Too, it would not have happened had Martin been at school in Miami rather than suspended and staying with his father and his father's girlfriend in Sanford. It would not have happened had there not been multiple burglaries, robberies and a shooting in the gated community within the last year or so which created the desire/need for a neighborhood watch program. It would not have happened had Martin been recognized as a resident by Zimmerman. It would not have happened had Martin not been on top of Zimmerman hitting him in the face and banging his head on the pavement. Check out the photos of Zimmerman's injuries and a RECENT photo of Martin.

Thank you. I totally agree but this will be my last post here on this topic- and probably all of them. I feel like I am going to be ostracized from now on.

Let Freedom Ring!!!!!

[Parker]

Thank you. I totally agree but this will be my last post here on this topic- and probably all of them. I feel like I am going to be ostracized from now on.

Let Freedom Ring!!!!!

Ostracized USSGompers? For what? You are stating your opinion politely. Isn't that what this site is all about? I like to consider the opinions of others, whether I agree with them or not. Glad you and (mostly) everyone else posts here.

[JC and John]

Personally I will not be watching the gavel to gavel coverage on television. I'm sick of the subject being blown up on the news and in the papers. I'm at the stage of "I don't care".

I am with you DianeM. I too don't care. Whatever will be will be. All we heard up north was the Anthony case day after day. Move to FL and still hear about Anthony! Now it is Zimmerman. Count me out, I'll be saving on my electric bill.

[Patty55]

Is it just me or is GZ starting to look like Andy Kaufman around the eyes.

[Taltarzac725]

Is it just me or is GZ starting to look like Andy Kaufman around the eyes.

I have thought that too but more like Jim Carrey's portrayal of Andy Kaufman than the real Man on the Moon.

[Monkei]

Is there anyone in TV that think Zimmerman is guilty, or not guilty

I don't know yet but it sure seemed very stupid for his attorney to start his defense with a lame knock knock joke that actually made the jury look kind of dumb and stupid.

If only Zimmerman left the gun at home like he was supposed to.

[Monkei]

Zimmerman was not "hunting" for Martin. While driving down a street he noticed a strange young man on foot peering between houses and wanted to check him out.

Too, it would not have happened had Martin been at school in Miami rather than suspended and staying with his father and his father's girlfriend in Sanford. It would not have happened had there not been multiple burglaries, robberies and a shooting in the gated community within the last year or so which created the desire/need for a neighborhood watch program. It would not have happened had Martin been recognized as a resident by Zimmerman. It would not have happened had Martin not been on top of Zimmerman hitting him in the face and banging his head on the pavement. Check out the photos of Zimmerman's injuries and a RECENT photo of Martin.

GZ should have followed the policies he agreed to. The gun should not have ever been in the equation.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Would not have happened if Zimmerman had NOT pursued as he was directed NOT TO by 911 dispatch

Would not have happened if Zimmerman had abided by the terms of his community watch agreement to NOT carry a firearm while on watch.

Are these facts in evidence or media or family speculation? I do not believe those to be proven facts.

[janmcn]

Are these facts in evidence or media or family speculation? I do not believe those to be proven facts.


This evidence will be presented at trial, stay tuned.

[senior citizen]

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[Madelaine Amee]

I keep thinking if only he didn't have a gun that day............



:agree:

[gocubsgo]

I think it's ridiculous that they have a live feed on the 4 main channels all day, everyday until this is over! They have ruined daytime programming. Why all 4 channels? Why not just 1 ?

[Taltarzac725]

I think it's ridiculous that they have a live feed on the 4 main channels all day, everyday until this is over! They have ruined daytime programming. Why all 4 channels? Why not just 1 ?

Ratings, advertising, etc. I wonder why so many of these cases that get international attention are either in Florida or California???

[graciegirl]

I don't know how I feel about this case. My family told us kids not to be where someone could misinterpret your actions, like in a dark alley in the middle of the night. And stay away from trouble and trouble will stay away from you.

I don't know what profiling really means, jumping to judgment based on a persons appearance and whereabouts? I don't know. But I just wish they had both ended up with black eyes and broken noses and continued on their lives wherever their lives were taking them.

I don't know what I would have thought if I ran into George Zimmerman with a gun in the dark or he ran into me with a hoody and something in my hand in the middle of the night.

I just don't know what to think.

We all react dramatically different in the dark when we are alarmed than when we are at the breakfast table.

Overkill is very deep word.

[Patty55]

I don't know what I would have thought if I ran into George Zimmerman with a gun in the dark or he ran into me with a hoody and something in my hand in the middle of the night.



I'd rather run into Zimmerman in the dark than Trayvon.

Not for nothing, but when my nieces and nephews visit, they stop at the booth, say where they are going and what they are doing. They don't get out of the car and pound the guys head into the sidewalk.

[buggyone]

From what I have seen on television, the clothing taken off of Zimmerman that night was not muddy like it would have been if Zimmerman had been wrestled to the ground on a rainy night and pinned under Martin. Zimmerman's hands were also unbruised as were Martin's hands unbruised. The crime scene technician also did not find bloody areas of sidewalk and people testified the rain was just a drizzle at that time. It does lead one to question Zimmerman's story.

[Taltarzac725]

From what I have seen on television, the clothing taken off of Zimmerman that night was not muddy like it would have been if Zimmerman had been wrestled to the ground on a rainy night and pinned under Martin. Zimmerman's hands were also unbruised as were Martin's hands unbruised. The crime scene technician also did not find bloody areas of sidewalk and people testified the rain was just a drizzle at that time. It does lead one to question Zimmerman's story.

I just hope that there are some commonsensical jurors on the Zimmerman case and not some that twirl from the spin doctoring of the two sides trying to sell their side of the story. The jurors are supposed to be the real triers of fact even though I am afraid that this is often lost in the smoke and mirrors presented.

I did find that the jurors in the Casey Anthony were good at this. The media spun their version of the facts before the trial ever even happened.

[rubicon]

From what I have seen on television, the clothing taken off of Zimmerman that night was not muddy like it would have been if Zimmerman had been wrestled to the ground on a rainy night and pinned under Martin. Zimmerman's hands were also unbruised as were Martin's hands unbruised. The crime scene technician also did not find bloody areas of sidewalk and people testified the rain was just a drizzle at that time. It does lead one to question Zimmerman's story.

Did you also know that those were not the jeans for a little boy going to the store getting skittles but "big guy"jeans . Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[rubicon]

I think it's ridiculous that they have a live feed on the 4 main channels all day, everyday until this is over! They have ruined daytime programming. Why all 4 channels? Why not just 1 ?

gocubsgo: Spot on. I said it with OJ, Casey Anthony Lacey Peterson case in California. We are make sport of this and in my view it only diminishes our society all the more. I'll admit my spouse is hooked and so we live separate lives while these trials go on and on.

Thank God for old time Western movies

[golf2140]

How can anyone get a fair trial with all the open record crap given to the media prior to trial. Do something about the open records issue !!!

[Barefoot]

I think it's ridiculous that they have a live feed on the 4 main channels all day, everyday until this is over! They have ruined daytime programming. Why all 4 channels? Why not just 1 ?

If people weren't watching, they wouldn't be showing it on four channels. I haven't watched any Zimmerman coverage. I hate wasting good daylight hours. However I have to admit that I got hooked on both the Arias trial and the Casey Anthony trial. I guess watching pure evil is addictive.

[gomoho]

I am watching and yes getting hooked. I find it fascinating how testimony can be twisted by the opposition's attorney. I said in the beginning the attorney that pulls the best trick out of his hat will win. It is an awful travesty, but reality of how these things go down these days.

[Bucco]

gocubsgo: Spot on. I said it with OJ, Casey Anthony Lacey Peterson case in California. We are make sport of this and in my view it only diminishes our society all the more. I'll admit my spouse is hooked and so we live separate lives while these trials go on and on.

Thank God for old time Western movies

So right. Read the posts just on TOTV. Folks are just not living anymore, simply watching and actually ROOTING for one side or another. Justice seldom mentioned.

I never knew so many "judges" lived in The Villages.

[senior citizen]

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[Quixote]

.... Now, in Vermont.....several years ago, a young adolescent girl was horribly murdered by her uncle....long story, but it happened around Randolph Vermont. Very little was ever divulged in the Vermont news. We know the basics......however, there was NO MEDIA HYPE AT ALL....

"NO MEDIA HYPE" is as it should be! You know, no one has a gun to our heads mandating us to watch; I certainly don't....

[buggyone]

Did you also know that those were not the jeans for a little boy going to the store getting skittles but "big guy"jeans . Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I think everyone knows Trayvon was about 6 feet tall and weighed about 160 and Zimmerman is 5 foot 9 and weighed about 200 at that time.

My comment, though, was that Zimmerman's jeans were not muddy as they probably would have been if he had been pinned and struggling under Martin.

Do you doubt that Martin went out to get snacks that night? A camera shows him buying that stuff not long before he was killed. Your post seems to indicate a doubt but maybe I misintrepted it.

[gomoho]

His jeans wouldn't have to be muddy if the confrontation took place on the sidewalk and in the grass. Wet yes, but not necessarily muddy.

[graciegirl]

It sometimes appears that so much is considered and judged on almost every issue by a persons political philosophy.

Knowing many posters political "slant" it seems how they feel about this issue is consistent with their philosophy.

Mine too I guess. I try to remain neutral and moderate but old habits die hard.

Is there such a thing as an unbiased jury in these times?


At my age I have far more questions than answers.

[Taltarzac725]

It sometimes appears that so much is considered and judged on almost every issue by a persons political philosophy.

Knowing many posters political "slant" it seems how they feel about this issue is consistent with their philosophy.

Mine too I guess. I try to remain neutral and moderate but old habits die hard.

Is there such a thing as an unbiased jury in these times?


At my age I have far more questions than answers.

Probably depends on the case and how much media saturation it has had before the trial. These kind of cases pop up in history before the age of Facebook, Twitter, TV, and other forms of communication. Actually, from what I have read of history; the media now is a lot more civil than it was during the era of yellow journalism and the even uglier personal attacks like those on President Abraham Lincoln and even before that like the contests between Jefferson and Adams. These attacks pop up in courts too and of course in pre-trial newspapers and the like.

I still believe that the best way to counter unfairness in court proceedings is a much better educated and informed jury pool and jury. Ironically, it seems that Zimmerman's case is about a man taking the law into his own hands.

[gomoho]

Gracie - as far as an unbiased jury - as I have been watching the witnesses you can tell by how they answer their questions who they believe is guilty. I'm hooked and fascinated how the attorney takes one point and can completely make it look like something else.

[keithwand]

Should have stayed in his truck....

[Golfingnut]

Should have stayed in his truck....

Yup. :shrug:

[Monkei]

Should have stayed in his truck....

Yeah stayed in his truck where he was safe with his gun that he should not have had.

[keithwand]

That's right and then no one would be dead and no one would be on trial.

[zonerboy]

Does any body know why there are only six jurors in this case?
Thought most capital cases had ten or twelve?

[Mallory]

Not a capital case.

[Barefoot]

Gracie - as far as an unbiased jury - as I have been watching the witnesses you can tell by how they answer their questions who they believe is guilty. I'm hooked and fascinated how the attorney takes one point and can completely make it look like something else.

Not that it should matter, but I think Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias, being attractive young women, were both "easy on the eyes". And I think their appearance affected the Jury perception of whether they would be capable of a violent crime. I don't think Zimmerman makes a good impression as he sits there with his impassive expression. Not that he can change the way he looks, just an observation.

[TrudyM]

People act from their own fears and what they were taught. And of course their emotional state at the time.
Any person can at any time run into someone who is angry or frightened and if they have a gun then your life is at risk.
Years ago a Japanese college kid from Tulane looking for a Halloween party went up to the wrong house to ask directions. Man looked out saw someone that in his experience was the enemy and shot him. Did the kid deserve to get shot for walking up to the wrong house because he was lost. No
Did the guy plan to go out shooting every Asian kid he saw No.
But when a gun comes into the mix there is no turning back, no do over.

[tucson]

Not that it should matter, but I think Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias, being attractive young women, were both "easy on the eyes". And I think their appearance affected the Jury perception of whether they would be capable of a violent crime. I don't think Zimmerman makes a good impression as he sits there with his impassive expression. Not that he can change the way he looks, just an observation.

What you say is true, unfortunately, people judge alot on how the defendant or victim look during the trial. I was a victim of a convicted rapist when I was a very young girl, not understanding the workings of the setting up of the trial by jury, the DA told me (before the trial) what to wear, what to say, what type of facial expressions to have, (actually I was told to have none, ie; no smiling, frowning, smirking,etc.) Our judicial system is sometimes so orchestrated during trials that most people(juries included) make judgements that are not based on true facts and judge on looks, demeanors, etc, etc. The last witness yesterday, (I believe) was "playing" on the jury. She was no dummy, I believe she was and will use her "street smarts" today on the stand also. Does anyone else believe that this case is given alot of publicity b/c of the national gun issue going on now? I wonder why Obama made a statement to the national press about this case? It's not like this kind of thing doesn't happen all over the country. Orlando has one of the highest murder rates (by guns) in the country.

[gomoho]

I believe it is more about race and "profiling" than guns.

[mfp509]

I agree - race and profiling.

[graciegirl]

I believe it is more about race and "profiling" than guns.

I think it is about both.

If I felt afraid of someone, or thought someone was behaving suspiciously, being a woman, I would leave them ALONE and call the police. Unless they were trying to hurt my family or me and who knows what I would do. I would probably have profiled him as a young punk wearing a hoody walking around in the middle of the night. His color could have been purple or bright green. I would look at and wonder what that kid was doing in a hoody in the middle of the night.

I would end up being hit with my own gun or shooting someone or something I didn't aim at. I am an emotional women.
I know what I can do and what I can't do. I don't want a gun in my home, everyone gets madder than hell at someone at some time in their lives and they do NOT behave rationally. EVERYONE.

It is a mess, the whole situation. Again, not easy to figure it out.

[buggyone]

The confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin took place at about 7:10 in the evening which is not the middle of the night. Martin had the hooded sweatshirt on as there was a light rain falling.

True, it was dark at that time in February.

[NJblue]

I think everyone knows Trayvon was about 6 feet tall and weighed about 160 and Zimmerman is 5 foot 9 and weighed about 200 at that time.

My comment, though, was that Zimmerman's jeans were not muddy as they probably would have been if he had been pinned and struggling under Martin.

Do you doubt that Martin went out to get snacks that night? A camera shows him buying that stuff not long before he was killed. Your post seems to indicate a doubt but maybe I misintrepted it.
By now we have the testimony of the police who said that indeed, Zimmerman' clothes were more wet on the back than the front and also had grass blades on the back. That, plus the closest eye witness claiming that it was Trayvon on top and Zimmerman on the bottom seems to bolster Zimmerman's story.

The other obstacle that the prosecution has to overcome is that even if Trayvon were on the bottom, how did he get face down which was how his body was found? Eyewitness testimony says that the bottom figure was face up during the fight. Also, Trayvon was shot from the front. So, if Zimmerman was on top and shot him in the chest, he would also have to roll him over for him to become face down. None of the witnesses saw anything that would resemble moving the body, nor would there be any reason for Zimmerman to do this.

Maybe more will be revealed, but as of now, the best evidence seems to support Zimmerman's story.

[tucson]

I'm getting the strong impression that the prosecution is "going through the motions" (as they say), regarding this case. I believe Zimmerman's story. But, I also think he shouldn't be following 'suspicious" persons and also carrying that gun around. Although I don't know what previous incidents might have happened to him or the stories he had heard growing up with a father who's a judge. Besides the fact that he was a member of that community's watch program. There might have been prior reports of illegal activities in that specific area. If one has ever been a victim of a crime,(I don't know if he was) but, it tends to make them suspicious of persons seen lurking around, just saying.

[graciegirl]

It is very hard not to profile. Even if in your heart you want to never judge anyone by their age, the way they dress, their piercings and tattoos, their level of cleanliness, their body English, their car, their packages, their jewelry, their shoes, etc. etc. etc. Our brain is set to summarize. It probably is hard wired to summarize. I do not like any snakes although not a single snake has done me wrong.

If our young granddaughter was visiting and had a meeting to drive to in Orlando, it would be hard not to give her some not so politically correct directions about staying away from certain areas and again, not being alone with people you don't know etc. etc. It is a protective device wired in to most of us although we want our children to be fair to all and find good qualities in everyone.

Adolf Hitler and his bunch of evil folks makes me pause and cringe a little inwardly when I am saying I am German descent to a new Jewish friend. And yet one of my dearest friends was a survivor of the Holocaust. Thank God.

I do get it. I do. It is so hard not to think things sometimes and generalize about folks.

I think most of us try very hard not to pre judge.

[Golfingnut]

I doubt anyone would know about your bias, prejudices, and generalized stereo typing until you act on them physically or verbally. It is very likely that both men did just that. We will see lots of these faults die with passing of our generation.

[JP]

I doubt anyone would know about your bias, prejudices, and generalized stereo typing until you act on them physically or verbally. It is very likely that both men did just that. We will see lots of these faults die with passing of our generation.

It would be great to think that the prejudices that our generation has will die with us but I just don't think it is going to be true. I have had lots of opportunities to talk to the younger generations and am always amazed how much prejudice still exists in ALL races.

[Golfingnut]

It would be great to think that the prejudices that our generation has will die with us but I just don't think it is going to be true. I have had lots of opportunities to talk to the younger generations and am always amazed how much prejudice still exists in ALL races.

You are right, but I do feel it is less prevalent for each generation I.e. 50 years old, 40 years old and so on. So, it will not go away, but since my generation is infested with prejudice, it will certainly be a leap in the right direction. I am happy I have lived long enough to see the direction we are headed.

[JP]

Good point

[DougB]

Anyone find these homeowners cowards who did not go outside to stop the fight between Zimmerman and Martin, or do you feel they did the right thing staying in the safety of their homes and calling 911?

[LynnDeb]

I think he is, he called police, police said not to follow him, I think he provoked Martin, that's when the fight happened and so on

[memason]

With the exception of having a weapon, how is what George Zimmerman was doing [that night] any different than our own Community Watch Program ?? ...and, since anyone can get a conceal carry permit, are we absolutely sure none of our Community Watch folks carry on duty ????

[NJblue]

Anyone find these homeowners cowards who did not go outside to stop the fight between Zimmerman and Martin, or do you feel they did the right thing staying in the safety of their homes and calling 911?

No, I don't think they were cowards. The one person (Good) did step out and tried to break it up verbally and then did the prudent thing by calling 911. To get physically involved in a situation like that could end up with you being the one dead. For all anyone knew at the time, both parties could have been armed and you could be caught in the crossfire.

Actually, the one person who I think acted pretty stupidly was the one who, knowing that a shot was fired, still approached the scene. For all he knew, a "bad guy" did the shooting and would turn on him with his gun. I wonder why neither attorney asked him why he did this.

I was also amazed that the first cop to arrive (also knowing that shots had been fired), did so without his gun drawn. I would think that standard practice in such situations would be to wait for back-up to arrive and then approach the situation with guns drawn.

[NJblue]

With the exception of having a weapon, how is what George Zimmerman was doing [that night] any different than our own Community Watch Program ?? ...and, since anyone can get a conceal carry permit, are we absolutely sure none of our Community Watch folks carry on duty ????

Our Community Watch would never get out of their vehicles.

[DougB]

No, I don't think they were cowards. The one person (Good) did step out and tried to break it up verbally and then did the prudent thing by calling 911. To get physically involved in a situation like that could end up with you being the one dead. For all anyone knew at the time, both parties could have been armed and you could be caught in the crossfire.

Actually, the one person who I think acted pretty stupidly was the one who, knowing that a shot was fired, still approached the scene. For all he knew, a "bad guy" did the shooting and would turn on him with his gun. I wonder why neither attorney asked him why he did this.

I was also amazed that the first cop to arrive (also knowing that shots had been fired), did so without his gun drawn. I would think that standard practice in such situations would be to wait for back-up to arrive and then approach the situation with guns drawn.

I agree with your second and third paragraphs and wondered the same things. I am on the fence with the first one. I would like to think if two people were fighting 15 feet from my backdoor with one screaming for help, I would attempt to break it more than verbally if need be.

[Happinow]

Anyone find these homeowners cowards who did not go outside to stop the fight between Zimmerman and Martin, or do you feel they did the right thing staying in the safety of their homes and calling 911?

The homeowners were not cowards. Why would they put themselves in danger? I would not go out and try to break it up nor would I let my husband. It's dangerous not knowing what really had happened. They both could have been carrying weapons and there could have been more than one death. 911 was the right answer.

[Happinow]

Yeah stayed in his truck where he was safe with his gun that he should not have had.

He had every right to carry a weapon. He had a carry permit. I have carried my weapon in my car because I have a permit to carry one.

[DougB]

The homeowners were not cowards. Why would they put themselves in danger? I would not go out and try to break it up nor would I let my husband. It's dangerous not knowing what really had happened. They both could have been carrying weapons and there could have been more than one death. 911 was the right answer.

Not sure, but people put their own lives in danger everyday to help others.

[NJblue]

Not sure, but people put their own lives in danger everyday to help others.

That's probably why those, who in hindsight saved a life, are lauded as heroes while some of those, who end up dead, are called foolish. I think there is a big gap between heroism and cowardism - i.e. just because you are not a hero, it doesn't make you a coward.

There was an incident many years ago where a woman was being attacked in a major city, possibly New York (I forget whether it was a rape or a murder or both). The attack went on for quite some time and she continually cried for help and her cries were heard by many residents, yet not one even called the police. These people were clearly cowards and indifferent to human suffering.

[mrsanborn]

The prosecution witnesses are verifying Zimmerman's re-enactment of the night of the incident. Speculating, Martin never told Zimmerman that he was visiting his father at the complex which would have defused the situation. I believe that if Martin would have been up front with Zimmerman regarding this and since it was raining, it's possible, that Zimmerman being the watch guy may have offered a ride to Martin. You don't murder someone when you are on the bottom of a physical confrontation having the .hit beaten out of you. This is a self defense issue. Zimmerman has already claimed that Martin went after his weapon when he (Martin) saw it. What would the discussion be if Martin would have shot Zimmerman from a superior position?
Ask why it took so long for Zimmerman to be arrested. Outside pressure. Why didn't the State go after Zimmerman for manslaughter which they have a better chance at conviction? Outside pressure. Where's the outside pressure now? Hey, this is only my opinion but if Zimmerman is convicted of murder 2 it's because of fear.

[tucson]

I agree w/you. I believe all the marches that took place by those who were crying, "racial this and racial that" put pressure on the State to arrest GZ for murder and who knows maybe a phone call was made by BO to the State DA's office, just my opinion...

[Happinow]

That's probably why those, who in hindsight saved a life, are lauded as heroes while some of those, who end up dead, are called foolish. I think there is a big gap between heroism and cowardism - i.e. just because you are not a hero, it doesn't make you a coward.

There was an incident many years ago where a woman was being attacked in a major city, possibly New York (I forget whether it was a rape or a murder or both). The attack went on for quite some time and she continually cried for help and her cries were heard by many residents, yet not one even called the police. These people were clearly cowards and indifferent to human suffering.

Agreed.......

[buggyone]

He had every right to carry a weapon. He had a carry permit. I have carried my weapon in my car because I have a permit to carry one.

And look where carrying a gun has taken him! He has lost over a year of his life, been vilified by many, been threatened, lost most of his money, and is now on trial facing many years in prison.

That permit did not do him any favors, did it?

[Golfingnut]

And look where carrying a gun has taken him! He has lost over a year of his life, been vilified by many, been threatened, lost most of his money, and is now on trial facing many years in prison.

That permit did not do him any favors, did it?

:shocked::throwtomatoes:

[buggyone]

I have absolutely no idea of what those emoticons symbolize in regard to my post.

[ilovetv]

You are right, but I do feel it is less prevalent for each generation I.e. 50 years old, 40 years old and so on. So, it will not go away, but since my generation is infested with prejudice, it will certainly be a leap in the right direction. I am happy I have lived long enough to see the direction we are headed.

Don't count on bigotry, prejudice and racism to go away with our kids' and grandkids' generations.

There will always be Christians around to stereotype and brand as "haters", "homophobes", "bigots" and "racists" for stating their disagreement with current society's behavioral trends, and that is the most popular group that today's "open-minded", "tolerant" Hollywood-educated groups aim for.

[Golfingnut]

I have absolutely no idea of what those emoticons symbolize in regard to my post.

OK. I will translate back into words.

:shocked: Says I was shocked that you said it.

:duck: Tells you to get ready to duck for indicating there can be a problem with the carry law in Florida for some.

[Golfingnut]

Don't count on bigotry, prejudice and racism to go away with our kids' and grandkids' generations.

There will always be Christians around to stereotype and brand as "haters", "homophobes", "bigots" and "racists" for stating their disagreement with current society's behavioral trends, and that is the most popular group that today's "open-minded", "tolerant" Hollywood-educated groups aim for.

I have more faith in the next generation than that. I also would not categorize DOMA as a behavioral trend. I would call it a FIX to a terrible injustice that took far too long to happen. I have hope for a better America as I have witnessed so many changes to society that has brought love and fairness to so many. I do agree with you in your assessment about there always being "haters", "homophobes", "bigots" and "racists" but with each passing generation we will have fewer.

:pray:

[Patty55]

There was an incident many years ago where a woman was being attacked in a major city, possibly New York (I forget whether it was a rape or a murder or both). The attack went on for quite some time and she continually cried for help and her cries were heard by many residents, yet not one even called the police. These people were clearly cowards and indifferent to human suffering.

Kitty Genovese 1964.

[rubicon]

All the facts evidence is not in yet. Trials are such that each side presents convincing stories. The real issue here is the mindset of this jury. The incident was purposefully position as a race issue to satisify the Sharpton's of the nation and that has led to a bias reporting by the media in favor of Martin and against Zimmerman. Many facts concerning Martin's background have been kept from the public as we are seeing now coming out with each witness.

I deplore these public trials and don't watch the actual trial but with 24/7 coverage on every news station you can't get away from it.

I only hope the decision is fair based on the facts of the case, unlike that of Casey Anthony

I have an opinion but then it is just an opinion

[sharonga]

Coming from New York, we don't have "stand your ground" laws. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Anyone can feel threatened by a look. Can someone tell me why the jury has 6 people on it. I always thought juries were made up of 12.

[tucson]

Coming from New York, we don't have "stand your ground" laws. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Anyone can feel threatened by a look. Can someone tell me why the jury has 6 people on it. I always thought juries were made up of 12.

It's Fla. law.

[rubicon]

Coming from New York, we don't have "stand your ground" laws. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Anyone can feel threatened by a look. Can someone tell me why the jury has 6 people on it. I always thought juries were made up of 12.

sharonga I was reared in New York and in my view they could use the Stand Your Ground Law The decision to have six/twelve jurors is discussed by the atorneys with the court (Judge) and they stipulate as to the number.

[tucson]

12 jurors for a Capital crime,6 jurors for 2nd Degree

[gomoho]

Did Trayvon Martin make this about race when he said "creepy ass cracker" and referred to George Zimmerman as a "******"???

[Monkei]

Did Trayvon Martin make this about race when he said "creepy ass cracker" and referred to George Zimmerman as a "******"???

Did he say that to GZ? No.

Let's just hope this jury will prove to gun carriers (of which I have been for 11 years now) that you cannot follow a person around enough to scare and annoy that person to become concerned about their safety until they turn and jump on the gun carrier resulting in being shot. I don't think that is what the law was written for.

[ugotme]

Coming from New York, we don't have "stand your ground" laws. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Anyone can feel threatened by a look. Can someone tell me why the jury has 6 people on it. I always thought juries were made up of 12.

Feeling threatened by a look is NOT grounds for a stand your ground defense. I am not a lawyer but it is my interpretation that your life has to be in jeopardy!

This could mean a gun, knife, bat, etc. or someone beating the hell out of you and not stopping. NO, I did not put this in there because of the case.

[Monkei]

Feeling threatened by a look is NOT grounds for a stand your ground defense. I am not a lawyer but it is my interpretation that your life has to be in jeopardy!

This could mean a gun, knife, bat, etc. or someone beating the hell out of you and not stopping. NO, I did not put this in there because of the case.

What happens if you are the one who put yourself in that jeopardy?

[Patty55]

Coming from New York, we don't have "stand your ground" laws. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Anyone can feel threatened by a look. Can someone tell me why the jury has 6 people on it. I always thought juries were made up of 12.

This is not a "Stand your ground" case, it's self defense.

[Monkei]

This is not a "Stand your ground" case, it's self defense.

So using your beliefs, if I have an issue with a person who I do not like all I need to do is take my gun, follow that guy around until he approaches me and I feeling that my life is in danger can shoot that person dead? My action does not come into question? This is the reason and scenario that those whom were against this law were afraid would happen.

[Patty55]

So using your beliefs, if I have an issue with a person who I do not like all I need to do is take my gun, follow that guy around until he approaches me and I feeling that my life is in danger can shoot that person dead? My action does not come into question? This is the reason and scenario that those whom were against this law were afraid would happen.

My point is that the Zimmerman defense team is not using the
"Stand your ground" law as the basis of their defense, they are using a "self defense" defense.

[Monkei]

My point is that the Zimmerman defense team is not using the
"Stand your ground" law as the basis of their defense, they are using a "self defense" defense.

Ok. Point made. But I guess my point still is what responsibility does the person claiming self defense have in putting themselves in the situation to start with.

To me that is what this case is all about.

[NJblue]

So using your beliefs, if I have an issue with a person who I do not like all I need to do is take my gun, follow that guy around until he approaches me and I feeling that my life is in danger can shoot that person dead? My action does not come into question? This is the reason and scenario that those whom were against this law were afraid would happen.

If things had played out as you state here, Zimmerman would be guilty. Unfortunately, your statement is far from the truth. Zimmerman didn't shoot the person when the confrontation intially occured - he tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail. If someone is actually bashing your head against the pavement, you have reason to believe that your life may be in danger.

Yes, Zimmeman put himself in danger, but that doesn't give Martin the right to bash him silly.

[janmcn]

If things had played out as you state here, Zimmerman would be guilty. Unfortunately, your statement is far from the truth. Zimmerman didn't shoot the person when the confrontation intially occured - he tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail. If someone is actually bashing your head against the pavement, you have reason to believe that your life may be in danger.

Yes, Zimmeman put himself in danger, but that doesn't give Martin the right to bash him silly.

"He tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail?" The police were on their way. One officer testified yesterday that he was at the location five minutes after receiving the call.


"Bash him silly?" Did you hear the sworn testimony of the physician's assistant yesterday. Zimmerman had a cut on his head that was one centimeter long and did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but that was never determined because he didn't feel it necessary to go to the hospital the night of the attack. This did not sound like someone who was "bashed silly".

[14thMed]

I can't believe the Mods haven't pulled the plug on this thread yet.

[manaboutown]

"He tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail?" The police were on their way. One officer testified yesterday that he was at the location five minutes after receiving the call.


"Bash him silly?" Did you hear the sworn testimony of the physician's assistant yesterday. Zimmerman had a cut on his head that was one centimeter long and did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but that was never determined because he didn't feel it necessary to go to the hospital the night of the attack. This did not sound like someone who was "bashed silly".

Five minutes is an ETERNITY in a fight. That is why people carry guns, so they can protect themselves when they can not wait for police to arrive in time to stop it and save them from grave bodily harm and worse. Zimmerman had already suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and cranial injuries from Martin's sucker punch followed by the MMA ground and pound. Thankfully, he had a pistol when he needed one with which to defend himself!

[NJblue]

"He tried to fend him off and call for help to no avail?" The police were on their way. One officer testified yesterday that he was at the location five minutes after receiving the call.


"Bash him silly?" Did you hear the sworn testimony of the physician's assistant yesterday. Zimmerman had a cut on his head that was one centimeter long and did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but that was never determined because he didn't feel it necessary to go to the hospital the night of the attack. This did not sound like someone who was "bashed silly".

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

[manaboutown]

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

and the police hopefully will be here in another five minutes...

[janmcn]

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."


Did you watch the testimony yesterday? Every witness, neighbors, were asked "Did you see Trayvon Martin pounding George Zimmerman's head on the pavement?" Everyone of the witnesses said "no".

[janmcn]

Five minutes is an ETERNITY in a fight. That is why people carry guns, so they can protect themselves when they can not wait for police to arrive in time to stop it and save them from grave bodily harm and worse. Zimmerman had already suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and cranial injuries from Martin's sucker punch followed by the MMA ground and pound. Thankfully, he had a pistol when he needed one with which to defend himself!


Five minutes is not that long when you are sitting in your locked truck, observing someone, waiting for the police to arrive.

[gomoho]

Did he say that to GZ? No.

Let's just hope this jury will prove to gun carriers (of which I have been for 11 years now) that you cannot follow a person around enough to scare and annoy that person to become concerned about their safety until they turn and jump on the gun carrier resulting in being shot. I don't think that is what the law was written for.

No, he didn't say creepy ass cracker or the n word to George Zimmerman. But George Zimmerman didn't say f---ing punks to Trayvon Martin, and that was somehow turned into racial.

And how do you know he was scaring or annoying Trayvon Martin - were you there???

And I believe he fired in self defense well being beaten - the eyewitness to the fight says "Trayvon was on top of George Zimmerman in a "ground and pound" MMA style pose. He could not confirm he was bashing his head in the ground, but that his arms were moving in a downward position. It was dark and the eyewitness believes it was George Zimmerman pleading for help.

[CraigC]

Five minutes is not that long when you are sitting in your locked truck, observing someone, waiting for the police to arrive.

True, but irrelevant, because that's not what happened. Unfortunately, a fight began, and no one other than George Zimmerman and Trayvon were there when it began.

[CraigC]

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

RIGHT!:shocked:

[janmcn]

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."


If my head were pounded on the pavement, I would expect to have some visible injuries, perhaps a concussion. The physician's assistant, who treated George Zimmerman the day after the beating, testified yesterday that the only visible injury was a one centimeter gash that did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but this was never established since he refused to go to the emergency room the night of the incident. Also, the swelling around the nose had subsided considerably by the next day.

After the beating you describe, where were the injuries?

[Patty55]

Tell you what. I'll take you out to a sidewalk, smash you in the face and then sit astride you while I pound your head on the pavement. Since you don't know if or when the beating will stop, and you don't have the benefit of a doctor telling you the severity of your wounds at the time, are you going to just lay there and think, "Well, this should end soon and my injuries aren't very severe yet."

Sounds like a plan, can I watch?

[DougB]

Sounds like a plan, can I watch?

Might as well, that's what all the neighbors did instead of helping. :shocked:

[BobnBev]

and the police hopefully will be here in another five minutes...

Remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

:duck::1rotfl::1rotfl::clap2:

[NJblue]

Did you watch the testimony yesterday? Every witness, neighbors, were asked "Did you see Trayvon Martin pounding George Zimmerman's head on the pavement?" Everyone of the witnesses said "no".

It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. The closest eye witness said that Martin had Zimmerman pinned down on the concrete and was going up and down with his arms. Then Zimmerman has cuts and bumps on the back of his head. How else would you explain this? A CPR attempt gone bad???

It is amazing to me the extent to which the Zimmerman detractors will go to explaing away the facts in this case. I can only hope that the jurors do not have similar prejudices. Remember - it is the prosection's task to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not using self defense when he shot Martin.

[NJblue]

If my head were pounded on the pavement, I would expect to have some visible injuries, perhaps a concussion. The physician's assistant, who treated George Zimmerman the day after the beating, testified yesterday that the only visible injury was a one centimeter gash that did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but this was never established since he refused to go to the emergency room the night of the incident. Also, the swelling around the nose had subsided considerably by the next day.

After the beating you describe, where were the injuries?

That's NOT what she testified. She said that there were multiple cuts as well as multiple lumps where the skin had not been broken. It doesn't take broken skin to cause serious injuries - just ask a football player who has received a concussion - even though no blood was evident. How else do you explain the injuries and the blood streaming down tha back of Zimmerman's head? Also, it doesn't take a concussion for one to experience extreme pain and extreme fear for one's life when one is helpless under a man pounding on you.

[Patty55]

Let's not forget that Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father said it was not his son calling for help on the 911 tape.

[karostay]

If Zimmernan has the same jury as Paul Dean he'll get the chair

[Parker]

Oh how I wish that none of us knew the color or sex of either party in this tragedy! Then the facts might truly speak for themselves instead of for every prejudice we all bring to the table.

[tucson]

fyi; you do NOT have to have any bleeding and/or bumps on the head to have a blood clot in the brain or a fractured skull from a blow and/or repeated hit or hits to the head.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The undisputed fact IS Zimmerman did kill Martin! Would it have happened IF Zimmerman had minded his own business and not gotten out of his car with a loaded pistol and followed Martin? The answer is NO! Was Martin breaking any law by walking through Twin Lakes where he was staying? The answer is NO! Was there any reason for Zimmerman to go looking for him? The answer is NO!

Zimmerman was hunting for Martin. What happened is tragic and Zimmerman's life changed forever when Martin's ended.

'Nuff said.

I don't know if you are reporting all of the facts. As I understand it, Zimerman was on Cummunity Watch. He saw something about Marting that he thought was suspicious. What that was, we may never know. The rest of the story is that Zimmerman called the police, as was the protocol, and he was told to break off his pursuit which he did. Martin then supposedly followed him back to his car and confronted him while screaming, Why are you following me?". That is when the scuffle began.

I believe that there was also testimony from a witness who saw Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him "marshall arts style" or some such thing.

The story is a bit more complicated than some people would like to make it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Some people are making an issue out of the fact that witnesses state that they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him MMA style, BUT DIDN"T SEE HIM SMASHING HIS HEAD AGINST THE PAVEMENT.

Zimmerman had injuries to his face assumably caused by punches. The medical report says that he had a broken nose. He's lying on his back, lifts up his head, gets punched in the nose and his head impacts the pavement. Is that not logical? Would an assailant have to physically take his head in his hands and pound it into the pavement for him to receive those wounds to the back of his head?

[Parker]

If I understand correctly, though Zimmerman was a member of Community Watch, he was not on duty that night. He was on his way to go shopping when he was sidetracked by spotting Martin.

[Monkei]

Five minutes is an ETERNITY in a fight. That is why people carry guns, so they can protect themselves when they can not wait for police to arrive in time to stop it and save them from grave bodily harm and worse. Zimmerman had already suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and cranial injuries from Martin's sucker punch followed by the MMA ground and pound. Thankfully, he had a pistol when he needed one with which to defend himself!

American society. I guess in some states Zimmerman will have just been bashed to death since he couldn't carry a gun legally. But then again if he was up north he would have been smart enough to not follow and stay in his car to start with. In florida a skinny little man can be much bigger as long as he has his gun with him. Note to self. If I am ever in a situation where I am fighting for my life and shoot the person I need to play up the injuries and get to a hospital.

[gomoho]

I applaud anyone that reports suspicious activity to the police whether they are on community watch or not. I actually had our police non-emergency number in my phone because where I lived there was suspicious activity all the time. And yes on several different occasions my husband and I followed to not lose sight of them before the police arrived. Your life circumstances are what play into your decision as to how you will address a situation of this type. No we were not carrying a weapon at any of these times because we do not have a permit.

[ugotme]

Unfortunately none of us will probably never know EXACTLY what happened that night.

One thing is for sure - There are those who think Zimmerman is guilty because he is white and those that think Martin is guilty because he is black !

"Just the facts maam!"

[buggyone]

I applaud anyone that reports suspicious activity to the police whether they are on community watch or not. I actually had our police non-emergency number in my phone because where I lived there was suspicious activity all the time. And yes on several different occasions my husband and I followed to not lose sight of them before the police arrived. Your life circumstances are what play into your decision as to how you will address a situation of this type. No we were not carrying a weapon at any of these times because we do not have a permit.

It is a good idea to have Community Watch's number in your phone. I do and have called to report a spouting fire hydrant once that was broken.

When you followed suspicious persons, did you do it on foot or in your car? Did you ever confront them and ask what they are doing there? Were any of those suspicious people arrested?

[manaboutown]

Unfortunately none of us will probably never know EXACTLY what happened that night.

One thing is for sure - There are those who think Zimmerman is guilty because he is white and those that think Martin is guilty because he is black !

"Just the facts maam!"

Actually Zimmerman is at least 1/8 black since he has a (Peruvian) black great grandfather. He identifies himself as an hispanic which as we all know is not a racial designation but rather a group identification encompassing people, at least ancestorily, sharing Spanish as a native language. Moreover the community is very racially and culturally diversified. From the transcript of Zimmerman's 911 call Zimmerman noticed Martin, not out of place on account of his race, but because of his odd behavior as well as not recognizing Martin as a resident.

The good old mainstream media is the probable source of the disinformation leading both to Zimmerman being widely believed to be white, rather than of mixed racial heritage, and racially profiling Martin which resulted in racially inflaming the situation. We do know they deliberately edited Zimmerman's 911 call transcript to make it appear Zimmerman was concerned about Martin on account of his being black rather than Martin's odd behavior and being a stranger rather than a community resident.

[mickey100]

Zimmerman had a history of calling 911 to report "suspicious" activity. The fact that he followed Martin after being told to step aside is a clear sign of aggression.

[gomoho]

It is a good idea to have Community Watch's number in your phone. I do and have called to report a spouting fire hydrant once that was broken.

When you followed suspicious persons, did you do it on foot or in your car? Did you ever confront them and ask what they are doing there? Were any of those suspicious people arrested?

We did not have "community watch" the police asked us to be their eyes and ears.

We followed in our vehicle 'cause we couldn't keep up on foot. Yes I confronted several drug dealers on my corner and told them to "get the hell off my block" and yes they ultimately were arrested. I know there was a level of risk involved, but I was determined to get our block cleaned up and put these guys out of business. We can't as a society continue to "mind our own business and look the other way" 'cause the bad guys will end up winning in the end.

[Maryland Girl]

Zimmerman had a history of calling 911 to report "suspicious" activity. The fact that he followed Martin after being told to step aside is a clear sign of aggression.


Yes, but many of his calls were because Mr. Zimmerman's neighbors called him to report suspicious activity and, as he was head of Neighborhood Watch, he would then call the non-emergency number. He was asked if he was following Mr. Martin and he responded yes. The dispatcher then said, 'We don't need for you to do that.' Mr. Zimmerman then responds, 'O.K.' He denies he continued to follow Mr. Martin but was out of his car to locate an address to give to the dispatcher. The jury will decide on the evidence presented.

[NJblue]

Zimmerman had a history of calling 911 to report "suspicious" activity. The fact that he followed Martin after being told to step aside is a clear sign of aggression.

I disagree that following a suspicious person is a "clear sign of aggression", but for the sake of discussion, let's say it was. Does that level of "aggression" give the other person a right to pummel him? Does Zimmerman forfeit his right to self defense because of the "aggressive" act of following someone?

[tucson]

I believe that GZ's lawyer said he called 6x in 5 mos.

[John_W]

...But then again if he (Zimmerman) was up north he would have been smart enough to not follow and stay in his car to start with...

Why should he have to stay in his car? He lived there. He paid rent there. His property was located there. If anybody, it was Trayvon who should of been the one treading lightly as a guest in his father's place. It's obvious by the company Trayvon kept, witness #8, that he had no respect for others and their property. One of the times he was suspended from school was for carrying burglar tools.


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[mickey100]

I disagree that following a suspicious person is a "clear sign of aggression", but for the sake of discussion, let's say it was. Does that level of "aggression" give the other person a right to pummel him? Does Zimmerman forfeit his right to self defense because of the "aggressive" act of following someone?

I didnt say his right of self defense was compromised. Where did you see that on my post? And it has already been established that he wasn't "pummeled ". If I was a teenaged kid and was being followed by a creepy guy, which his friend says Martin told her, I'd be scared and would consider Zimmerman a threat.

[Patty55]

Why should he have to stay in his car? He lived there. He paid rent there. His property was located there. If anybody, it was Trayvon who should of been the one treading lightly as a guest in his father's place. It's obvious by the company Trayvon kept, witness #8, that he had no respect for others and their property. One of the times he was suspended from school was for carrying burglar tools.


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Let's not forget he assaulted a bus driver. His tweets and texts are very revealing. His twitter name "no_limit_nigga" (his words, not mine) says a lot, as do the photos with the gold grill on his teeth. I'm sure none of this will come out at trial, but it's all there in the discovery.

[manaboutown]

Why should he have to stay in his car? He lived there. He paid rent there. His property was located there. If anybody, it was Trayvon who should of been the one treading lightly as a guest in his father's place. It's obvious by the company Trayvon kept, witness #8, that he had no respect for others and their property. One of the times he was suspended from school was for carrying burglar tools.


/

Along with the burglars' tools his back pack contained several pieces of women's jewelry. Upon being questioned Martin responded he was holding the jewelry for someone else. Yeah, right! Unfortunately the matter was dropped. It seems he was about as truthful as his girlfriend Rachel "Diamond" Jeantel.

[NJblue]

I didnt say his right of self defense was compromised. Where did you see that on my post? And it has already been established that he wasn't "pummeled ". If I was a teenaged kid and was being followed by a creepy guy, which his friend says Martin told her, I'd be scared and would consider Zimmerman a threat.

So, what is your point about saying it was an "act of aggression"? If you claim that he still had a right to self defense, that's exactly what he did.

Where has it been established that he was not being pummeled? The eye witness claims it was a "ground and pound" attack. That, to me, is a more aggressive description of an attack than "pummeled".

[janmcn]

Will George Zimmerman's three arrests be admitted in this case, and how was someone who had an assault of an officer charge allowed to carry a 9mm gun?


George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests (http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/)

[Bellavita]

I am curious don't have an opinion on guilt yet, but...if Travon was a blue eyed blonde the police would have a better investigation. The fact that the police never looked at his cell phone calls is troubling.

[Golfingnut]

Will George Zimmerman's three arrests be admitted in this case, and how was someone who had an assault of an officer charge allowed to carry a 9mm gun?


George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests (http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/)

I hold to my original assessment! Both ere macho and filled with testosterone, with one key separator. George Z had the gun. I still do not see murder, but do see manslaughter.

[Patty55]

Will George Zimmerman's three arrests be admitted in this case, and how was someone who had an assault of an officer charge allowed to carry a 9mm gun?


George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests (http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/)

They were already discussed.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If my head were pounded on the pavement, I would expect to have some visible injuries, perhaps a concussion. The physician's assistant, who treated George Zimmerman the day after the beating, testified yesterday that the only visible injury was a one centimeter gash that did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but this was never established since he refused to go to the emergency room the night of the incident. Also, the swelling around the nose had subsided considerably by the next day.

After the beating you describe, where were the injuries?


If I'm nit mistaken, the are photographs showing a cut and bleeding from the back of his head.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Will George Zimmerman's three arrests be admitted in this case, and how was someone who had an assault of an officer charge allowed to carry a 9mm gun?


George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests (http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/)
If you read the note in this article, they retracted that statement. Zimmerman was arrested once and three charges came from that arrest. All of the charges were dropped. Being arrested doesn't mean you're guilty of anything.
I'm sure that an arrest with dropped charges is not admissible. It would also not prevent him from getting permit to carry.

[mickey100]

So, what is your point about saying it was an "act of aggression"? If you claim that he still had a right to self defense, that's exactly what he did.

Where has it been established that he was not being pummeled? The eye witness claims it was a "ground and pound" attack. That, to me, is a more aggressive description of an attack than "pummeled".

He had a bloody nose and a scrape on his head. He refused medical care. I didn't say or not day he had a right to self defense. We don't know the facts yet to make that determination. My only point was that had I been in that kids place I would have found Zimmerman threatening.

[mickey100]

His tweets and texts are very revealing. His twitter name "no_limit_nigga" (his words, not mine) says a lot, as do the photos with the gold grill on his teeth. I'm sure none of this will come out at trial, but it's all there in the discovery.

Oh boy, a gold grill sure makes him a criminal. I seem to recall Ryan Lochte the Olympic swimmer from Florida had one of those as well. A lot of things are different to us oldere people but are commonplace among younger ones.

[Patty55]

Ohio, a gold grill sure makes him a criminal. I seem to recall Ryan Lochte the Olympic swimmer from Florida had one of those as well.

Don't know what Ohio has to do with it, but in my country having gold grillwork on your mouth and a twitter name "no_limit_nigga" (again, his words not mine)wouldn't make you a criminal but it would clearly earn you top ranking on the NOKD list.

[janmcn]

I hold to my original assessment! Both ere macho and filled with testosterone, with one key separator. George Z had the gun. I still do not see murder, but do see manslaughter.


I agree on the manslaughter charge with seven to ten years. Second degree murder with life in prison is a stretch.

Zimmerman will do just fine in prison, as long as nobody finds out he shot an unarmed teenager.

Next week should be interesting with the detective who wanted to charge Zimmerman right away, testifying first.

[buggyone]

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at for their verdict?

I saw a few minutes of FOX NOISE:yuck: today and one of their "expert legal analysts" predicted that after both sides present their case, the judge will toss it out of court saying there was no evidence that was presented by the prosecutor. He also predicted the prosecutor will be charged with "presecutorial misconduct". FAIR AND BALANCED!:evil6:

[Patty55]

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at for their verdict?

I saw a few minutes of FOX NOISE:yuck: today and one of their "expert legal analysts" predicted that after both sides present their case, the judge will toss it out of court saying there was no evidence that was presented by the prosecutor. He also predicted the prosecutor will be charged with "presecutorial misconduct". FAIR AND BALANCED!:evil6:

Respectfully, I disagree. I think that how TM chose to portray himself says a lot. Who knows, so far we have only seen States witnesses, maybe the Twitter/Text messages will come in.

[manaboutown]

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at for their verdict?

I saw a few minutes of FOX NOISE:yuck: today and one of their "expert legal analysts" predicted that after both sides present their case, the judge will toss it out of court saying there was no evidence that was presented by the prosecutor. He also predicted the prosecutor will be charged with "presecutorial misconduct". FAIR AND BALANCED!:evil6:

Those are OPINIONS, that is all. At least Fox attempts report the facts and provides opinions on BOTH sides of most issues unlike the mainstream media which serve ONLY as propaganda organs. By the way, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz known as one of the nation's most outstanding civil rights advocates based on his assessment of the evidence believes Zimmerman should never have been brought to trial. The prosecutor Angela Corey threatened to sue Harvard but he refused to retract his statement. She is a mess! Look at her record. This whole thing is driven by political ambition and pressure form the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/prosecutor-angela-corey-r_b_1571942.html

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-02-14/story/state-attorney-angela-corey-upgrades-her-pension-taxpayer-dollars

By the way, how could Zimmerman have profiled Martin on his twitter name or have noticed Martin's teeth prior to calling 911 about Martin, whom he had seen only at some distance? From the 911 transcript Zimmerman was not initially certain of Martin's race.

[DougB]

American society. I guess in some states Zimmerman will have just been bashed to death since he couldn't carry a gun legally. But then again if he was up north he would have been smart enough to not follow and stay in his car to start with.

Why would he be smart enough not to follow if he was up north? Are you saying people in the south are stupid? Do northerners get stupid after moving to Florida? Maybe they put stupid pills in the water?

[janmcn]

Those are OPINIONS, that is all. At least Fox attempts report the facts and provides opinions on BOTH sides of most issues unlike the mainstream media which serve ONLY as propaganda organs. By the way, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz known as one of the nation's most outstanding civil rights advocates based on his assessment of the evidence believes Zimmerman should never have been brought to trial. The prosecutor Angela Corey threatened to sue Harvard but he refused to retract his statement. She is a mess! Look at her record. This whole thing is driven by political ambition and pressure form the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups.

Alan Dershowitz: On Prosecutor Angela Corey's Rant About My Criticism of Her (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/prosecutor-angela-corey-r_b_1571942.html)

State Attorney Angela Corey upgrades her pension with taxpayer dollars | jacksonville.com (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-02-14/story/state-attorney-angela-corey-upgrades-her-pension-taxpayer-dollars)

By the way, how could Zimmerman have profiled Martin on his twitter name or have noticed Martin's teeth prior to calling 911 about Martin, whom he had seen only at some distance? From the 911 transcript Zimmerman was not initially certain of Martin's race.




Prosecutor Angela Corey was appointed to this case by Govenor Rick Scott (R-FL). So where does the political ambition and pressure from the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups come from?

[Bucco]

Prosecutor Angela Corey was appointed to this case by Govenor Rick Scott (R-FL). So where does the political ambition and pressure from the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups come from?

I will allow the jury, the facts and the law decide whatever happens in this case.

I cannot go without commenting on this and other posts on how this became a media show.

This began because the police did not file charges immediately in a case where a white man shot and killed a black teen. We now know it was NOT a "white" man at all and the reason there was no arrest was THE LAW WHICH PROVIDED THEY COULD NOT ARREST A SUSPECT WHO CLAIMED SELF DEFENSE WITHOUT PROOF OF NO SELF DEFENSE.

So the LAW slowed everything down, then the Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson's of the world kicked in. This was covered DAILY by MSNBC with selected facts, roused up race activists and then became a POLITICAL issue of note, even mentioned by the President.

You read the posts on here and can see the political leaning of the posters.

I am rooting for justice, not the defendant, not the victim, not the families....JUSTICE. I get very uncomfortable seeing VICTIMS AND SCAPEGOATS of politically motivated movements.....they are powerless and become unwilling pawns of people who care not about right or wrong OR the people involved.

Both Fox and MSNBC have messages they want to send...MSNBC has gone way over the edge in this case, in my opinion.

How about "rooting" for justice as determined by our court system, instead of "rooting" for our various media outlets or political commentators.

Sorry for the vent.

PS It did not hurt that Mr Martin asked his sis in law who is an attorney how to put pressure on the police while they followed the law but not fast enough. She got hold of a guy named Crump, who happens to be Florida's top civil rights lawyer for advice. He used his press connections to get the story moving and so it began.

[mickey100]

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at.

I have to agree. Judging from what I've seen on TOTV, however, some people are intent on judging people without knowing all the facts or based on superficialities. Hopefully those types won't be on the jury.

[BobnBev]

Will George Zimmerman's three arrests be admitted in this case, and how was someone who had an assault of an officer charge allowed to carry a 9mm gun?


George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests (http://rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/)
He has NO convictions on these charges.

[buggyone]

It is comical to me to see comments from this thread from posters who claim "We now know it was NOT a "white" man at all" that killed Trayvon Martin.

I would really like to see how Zimmerman described himself in terms of race in the years before this killing. I may lose the bet but I would bet an ice-cold Yeungling (at Cody's) that Zimmerman classified himself as "White" or "Caucasian" in times before he killed Martin. Any takers?

[DougB]

"There is only one race - the human race" -Ghandiji

[redwitch]

Given Florida law and the lack of true facts of what occurred, I'm not convinced Zimmerman will be found guilty of anything but very poor judgment. Regardless, a young man died. He may not have been a perfect kid (few kids are) but he never had a chance to grow up and become a man -- maybe the kind of man you might want as a friend and neighbor, maybe the kind you want to stay far, far away from. We'll never know.

I don't care that Martin had a gold grill, called himself a loathsome name on Twitter, got busted for traces of marijuana and was suspended from school. I do care that he was 17, unarmed and is now dead. We all know this kid was not perfect but that doesn't justify his death -- his actions on that evening were not objectionable and were perfectly legal.

Zimmerman is going to have to live with the fact he took a human life; a life that would have not been lost but for his actions (not the actions of Martin). I sincerely hope he can live with these facts. I know I couldn't.

I have no sympathy for Zimmerman but I honestly don't know if he's guilty of a crime. I wasn't there. I don't know if he truly felt in fear for his life or was just angry that this punk dared confront him. I don't know what was going through his mind while he followed Martin, what his intent was. I'm not convinced any of us will ever know.

[NJblue]

We all know this kid was not perfect but that doesn't justify his death -- his actions on that evening were not objectionable and were perfectly legal.


Hold on there Red. How do you know that his actions were perfectly legal through the course of the night? He may have been doing nothing illegal up until the point of confrontation, but after that there are two very different accounts about what happened and one of those accounts has Martin doing things very illegal. Some here seem to think that if Martin is afraid of Zimmerman that he has a right to attack him. What utter nonsense.

[Bucco]

It is comical to me to see comments from this thread from posters who claim "We now know it was NOT a "white" man at all" that killed Trayvon Martin.

I would really like to see how Zimmerman described himself in terms of race in the years before this killing. I may lose the bet but I would bet an ice-cold Yeungling (at Cody's) that Zimmerman classified himself as "White" or "Caucasian" in times before he killed Martin. Any takers?

I am only responding to this post because I am quoted within, but it is being presented completely and totally out of any context.

My post from where this quote was lifted spoke only to the seeds of the media frenzy and reporting...it did not even try, as many do, to address facts being presented at this trial or guilt or innocence.

The quote lifted from my post was an accurate representation of the immediate press coverage, and what piqued the interest of the various civil right activists and various media outlets.

[redwitch]

Hold on there Red. How do you know that his actions were perfectly legal through the course of the night? He may have been doing nothing illegal up until the point of confrontation, but after that there are two very different accounts about what happened and one of those accounts has Martin doing things very illegal. Some here seem to think that if Martin is afraid of Zimmerman that he has a right to attack him. What utter nonsense.

Sorry, should have clarified -- Martin was doing nothing illegal while Zimmerman was following him. I don't know if his actions after confronting Zimmerman were legal or not. (1) I really don't know Florida criminal law well enough to comment and (2) only Zimmerman knows who connected first -- was Martin defending himself or did he just attack (if you believe Janelle [and I do], Martin did not begin by physically attacking, he confronted Zimmerman and asked why he was following him)?

I don't think Martin had the right to attack and don't defend those actions, but I do understand him doing so. I think most 17 year old males would have behaved pretty much as he did in these circumstances.

[perrjojo]

Just a thought...if Martin was afraid because someone was following him, why did he not end the call with Janelle and call 911? There are things Zimmerman could have done differently but the there are also things Martin could have done to insure his safety.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Just a thought...if Martin was afraid because someone was following him, why did he not end the call with Janelle and call 911? There are things Zimmerman could have done differently but the there are also things Martin could have done to insure his safety.

Better yet, why didn't he just continue on to the safety of his father's home. If he was so afraid of Zimmerman, why would he turn around and follow him back to his car?

[MikeV]

I have read all the posts here and I offer my opinion. It makes no difference what GZ did prior to the altercation between him and TM. Even if he was the aggressor and even if he did not follow the instructions from the 911 operator it makes no difference. Once the fight started a person has every right to take lethal action against someone who is trying to do great bodily harm to them or if they feel their life is in danger. Race is not a factor in this case much to the disappointment of some. Even TM parents stated through their attorney they don't want this trial to be about race. GZ most likely would have acted in the same way if the person was green.

[LynnDeb]

When GZ first called 911, GZ was told not to follow TM.....I still feel GZ provoked TM

[mickey100]

I have read all the posts here and I offer my opinion. It makes no difference what GZ did prior to the altercation between him and TM. Even if he was the aggressor and even if he did not follow the instructions from the 911 operator it makes no difference. Once the fight started a person has every right to take lethal action against someone who is trying to do great bodily harm to them or if they feel their life is in danger. Race is not a factor in this case much to the disappointment of some. Even TM parents stated through their attorney they don't want this trial to be about race. GZ most likely would have acted in the same way if the person was green.
He had that right IF that was the case. And wemay never know the truth.
There are so many differences in statements of the witnesses as to what happened, who was on top in the fight, and so on. It's an easy out for Zimmerman to say his life was in danger, but it will be up to the court to sort thru the evidence to determine if his claim is even credible. On the surface u have to wonder why he would feel threatened by a teenaged kid when Zimmerman chased the kid down with a loaded gun.

[Bucco]

He had that right IF that was the case. And wemay never know the truth.
There are so many differences in statements of the witnesses as to what happened, who was on top in the fight, and so on. It's an easy out for Zimmerman to say his life was in danger, but it will be up to the court to sort thru the evidence to determine if his claim is even credible. On the surface u have to wonder why he would feel threatened by a teenaged kid when Zimmerman chased the kid down with a loaded gun.

I have not watched any of this trial nor read much, but I must ask.....

Is it true that "Zimmerman chased the kid down with a loaded gun"

Knew he HAD a gun, but your presentation puts an entirely different spin on everything. Please clarify !!!!

[NJblue]

I have not watched any of this trial nor read much, but I must ask.....

Is it true that "Zimmerman chased the kid down with a loaded gun"

Knew he HAD a gun, but your presentation puts an entirely different spin on everything. Please clarify !!!!

This is an example of the dangers of forming an opinion on the case without all the details as presented by both sides of the story. I too knew very little about this case other than what I heard about it from MSNBC back when it happened. Based on this view, I too had the perception that Zimmerman was following Martin around on foot and finally confronted him. Based on this, and the pictures that were shown of a cute "boy", I thought Zimmerman must be some sort of monster.

Now, however, we are beginning to hear the other side of the story. Ironically, from what I am hearing from the prosection (of all things), I have serious reservations about Zimmerman's guilt. I had assumed him to be at least very stupid for following Martin around. Now we hear his side of the story where he was in his car for most of the time (perfectly acceptable from my perspective for someone who has taken a leadership role in the security of the neighborhood). We also hear that, according to Zimmerman, it was Martin who physically confronted Zimmerman as he was going back to his car.

To characterize the events as Zimmerman "chasing the kid down with a loaded gun" it is clear that the person making such a statement is only interested in one side of the story.

I recall when I was on a jury for a felony trial. After hearing the prosecution's side of the story, I was ready to lock the defendant up and throw away the key. However, then we heard the defense perspective, and things got very murky. It took us 3 days of deliberation with initially some feeling that he was guilty, others innocent and others not sure. We finally concluded that there was too much doubt in our mind to send this guy to prison and we aquitted him.

What I find interesting is that as I watch this trial, I am only seeing the prosecution's story so far, and I am already feeling that Zimmerman is innocent. Unless he comes up with something big, if I were on the jury I would have a very guilty conscience if I sent Zimmerman to prison for the rest of his life - or for any time for that matter.

[manaboutown]

When GZ first called 911, GZ was told not to follow TM.....I still feel GZ provoked TM

Zimmerman was NOT told not to follow Martin. The source of this false perception now so prevalent among members of the public no doubt came from disinformation generated and spread by the mainstream media.

The 911 operator's response was something like "OK, we don't need you to do that." That is not an instruction. On its face it is not even an advisement or an admonishment. It sounds to me like an opinion, an opinion from someone not at the scene, that Zimmerman need not follow Martin. The statement does not instruct him not to do so.

Furthermore, what is the status of a 911 operator in Florida. Do 911 operators have the power of authority given to police officers? Must their instructions be followed by anyone under any circumstances, some circumstances or ever ????

[manaboutown]

American society. I guess in some states Zimmerman will have just been bashed to death since he couldn't carry a gun legally. But then again if he was up north he would have been smart enough to not follow and stay in his car to start with. In florida a skinny little man can be much bigger as long as he has his gun with him. Note to self. If I am ever in a situation where I am fighting for my life and shoot the person I need to play up the injuries and get to a hospital.

If Martin had stuck to assaulting (unarmed) bus drivers rather than sucker punching, grounding and pounding a man (legally) carrying a concealed pistol he might still be vertical.

[Patty55]

If Martin had stuck to assaulting (unarmed) bus drivers rather than sucker punching, grounding and pounding a man (legally) carrying a concealed pistol he might still be vertical.

Yep, it's all fun and games till you jump the wrong Creepy Ass Cracker.

[dsned]

It is basic self defense, he was getting his head bashed in and pull his gun and shot his attacker. End of story. I am only hoping he doesn't get railroaded because of the color or his skin.

[buggyone]

It is basic self defense, he was getting his head bashed in and pull his gun and shot his attacker. End of story. I am only hoping he doesn't get railroaded because of the color or his skin.

Oh, haven't you been reading these posts? It is now established by some posters that Zimmerman is NOT a white man. :icon_bored:

[janmcn]

So many discrepancies to Zimmerman's story came out at the trial today. Fortunately, for the prosecution, they are all caught on tape.


Another interesting thing that happened today, CNN inadvertently put George Zimmerman's address and social security number on it's telecast. Now this information is flying around the twitterverse.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/07/cnn-airs-zimmermans-ssn-phone-number-167452.html

[mickey100]

I have not watched any of this trial nor read much, but I must ask.....

Is it true that "Zimmerman chased the kid down with a loaded gun"

Knew he HAD a gun, but your presentation puts an entirely different spin on everything. Please clarify !!!!

Zimmerman admits to following Martin and we know he had a gun. He Claims he quit chasing Martin after the 911 call but that is still in dispute.

[manaboutown]

So many discrepancies to Zimmerman's story came out at the trial today. Fortunately, for the prosecution, they are all caught on tape.


Another interesting thing that happened today, CNN inadvertently put George Zimmerman's address and social security number on it's telecast. Now this information is flying around the twitterverse.

I'll wager there was nothing inadvertent about it. The mainstream media again seriously oversteps itself. Hopefully Zimmerman will be able to sue and obtain substantial damages for this as well as the deliberate editing of his 911 transcript prior to its publication as disinformation to mislead the public (again).

[Bucco]

Zimmerman admits to following Martin and we know he had a gun. He Claims he quit chasing Martin after the 911 call but that is still in dispute.

Thanks for clarifying.

So the picture you painted with "Zimmerman chased the kid down with a gun"
is NOT true.

[maine04578]

How about the fact that Martin was acting in self-defense when he confronted and socked Zimmerman, who was stalking him? Zimmerman had chances to back out of the situation and chose not to. The kid was minding his own business. Too bad Zimmerman didn't.

[Patty55]

How about the fact that Martin was acting in self-defense when he confronted and socked Zimmerman, who was stalking him? Zimmerman had chances to back out of the situation and chose not to. The kid was minding his own business. Too bad Zimmerman didn't.

Interesting, could you please provide a link to this, don't believe I saw this in the discovery.

[mickey100]

Thanks for clarifying.

So the picture you painted with "Zimmerman chased the kid down with a gun"
is NOT true.
Maybe not to you, but to the prosecution, yes.

[Bucco]

Maybe not to you, but to the prosecution, yes.

Well I apologize to you. If that quote of yours is true, that changed the thrust of the case for sure.

Zimmerman needs to be punished to the full extent of the law.

You just cannot chase anyone, kid or not, down the streets with a gun.

This is the first time anyone has alluded to that part of the prosecution case.

Thanks so much for the clarification of the facts.

PS. This is sarcasm which is what posts that violate truth, facts and context deserve.

[mickey100]

Thanks for clarifying.

So the picture you painted with "Zimmerman chased the kid down with a gun"
is NOT true.
Maybe not to you, but to the prosecution, yes.

[John_W]

Zimmerman admits to following Martin and we know he had a gun. He Claims he quit chasing Martin after the 911 call but that is still in dispute.

We know he had a gun, big deal, was the gun drawn? Was the gun in view? Was the gun even out of his holster? Or was the gun concealed upon his body as he is legally allowed to do since he has a concealed weapons permit. From what I heard today, Trayvon was hiding behind bushes and jumped George and said, 'Homey, your gonna die tonight", and then jumped Zimmerman with a punch that sent him to the ground'. Maybe you're watching a different trial than the one that is being broadcast on the Orlando channels.


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[Bucco]

So many discrepancies to Zimmerman's story came out at the trial today. Fortunately, for the prosecution, they are all caught on tape.


Another interesting thing that happened today, CNN inadvertently put George Zimmerman's address and social security number on it's telecast. Now this information is flying around the twitterverse.


CNN airs Zimmerman's SSN, phone number - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/07/cnn-airs-zimmermans-ssn-phone-number-167452.html)


Not a big deal.

"This is hardly the first time Zimmerman’s personal information has been distributed by those who oppose him. During the initial coverage of the Zimmerman trial, Spike Lee retweeted the home address of what he thought was Zimmerman’s home address. It turned out to be the wrong address. Roseanne Barr then tweeted Zimmerman’s parents’ home address. “If Zimmerman isn't arrested I'll rt his address again. maybe go 2 his house myself,” Barr tweeted."

CNN Broadcasts Zimmerman Social Security Number (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/01/CNN-broadcasts-Zimmerman-social-security)

Classy folks hey !!

[gomoho]

So many discrepancies to Zimmerman's story came out at the trial today. Fortunately, for the prosecution, they are all caught on tape.


Another interesting thing that happened today, CNN inadvertently put George Zimmerman's address and social security number on it's telecast. Now this information is flying around the twitterverse.


CNN airs Zimmerman's SSN, phone number - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/07/cnn-airs-zimmermans-ssn-phone-number-167452.html)

Did you actually watch the testimony of the two investigating officers or are you simply repeating media bs. The prosecution allowed 4 different taped interviews of George Zimmerman to be heard by the jury today and both repeated time and time again George Zimmerman continued to repeat the same story over and over with a few minor changes. The lead detective said you would expect some changes because we are human not robots and nothing alerted me to any inconsistency. When asked at the end of the day if he believed George Zimmerman to be telling the truth he said YES.

Now where are you getting your information from???

[Monkei]

Why would he be smart enough not to follow if he was up north? Are you saying people in the south are stupid? Do northerners get stupid after moving to Florida? Maybe they put stupid pills in the water?

Not everyone lives in a wild Wild West state like Florida. I am not sure the prosecution will be able to prove anything in this case other than we can see how bad this law is. All the gun bunnies will be happy

[DougB]

Not everyone lives in a wild Wild West state like Florida. I am not sure the prosecution will be able to prove anything in this case other than we can see how bad this law is. All the gun bunnies will be happy

Thanks, just wondering, because stupid pills in the water would explain Zimmerman.

[perrjojo]

I think it is good that none of us is on on the jury in this case. Most, but not all, seem to have a preconceived idea about guilt or innocence. I think a jury is obligated. to hear ALL OF THE FACTS before making a determination of guilt or innocence.

[Patty55]

Not everyone lives in a wild Wild West state like Florida. I am not sure the prosecution will be able to prove anything in this case other than we can see how bad this law is. All the gun bunnies will be happy

Once again, HUH? What law is that?

[janmcn]

Did you actually watch the testimony of the two investigating officers or are you simply repeating media bs. The prosecution allowed 4 different taped interviews of George Zimmerman to be heard by the jury today and both repeated time and time again George Zimmerman continued to repeat the same story over and over with a few minor changes. The lead detective said you would expect some changes because we are human not robots and nothing alerted me to any inconsistency. When asked at the end of the day if he believed George Zimmerman to be telling the truth he said YES.

Now where are you getting your information from???



Just a few of the points that came up today: Zimmerman said Trayvon Martin jumped out of the bushes at him, there are no bushes in that area; Zimmerman said he spread Martin's arms out to the side, yet when he was found, Martin's arms were under him. Zimmerman said he didn't know that Martin was dead, yet he reholstered his gun.

When Zimmerman gave his report, he kept calling Martin "the suspect", which shows his depraved mind, necessary for a second degree murder conviction.
What was Martin suspected of?

[JP]

Yep, it's all fun and games till you jump the wrong Creepy Ass Cracker.

Great post and how true! TM shouldn't have been in that gated community looking and acting the way he did.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Did you actually watch the testimony of the two investigating officers or are you simply repeating media bs. The prosecution allowed 4 different taped interviews of George Zimmerman to be heard by the jury today and both repeated time and time again George Zimmerman continued to repeat the same story over and over with a few minor changes. The lead detective said you would expect some changes because we are human not robots and nothing alerted me to any inconsistency. When asked at the end of the day if he believed George Zimmerman to be telling the truth he said YES.

Now where are you getting your information from???

Agreed !!!!!:wave:

[capecodbob]

Five minutes is an ETERNITY in a fight. That is why people carry guns, so they can protect themselves when they can not wait for police to arrive in time to stop it and save them from grave bodily harm and worse. Zimmerman had already suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and cranial injuries from Martin's sucker punch followed by the MMA ground and pound. Thankfully, he had a pistol when he needed one with which to defend himself!

Congrats manaboutown...you have the best "factual" account of the case. Saw the re-enactment tonight with Greta and I don't see Zimmerman being guilty. BUT he will be haunted by the Al Sharpton race baiters for the rest of his life. He will incite many people to do harm to Zimmerman.
Everyone looses except people like Sharpton.

[redwitch]

I've come to the conclusion that the prosecution is out to lose this case. Talk about stupid to the core. Zimmerman is now off the hook to testify -- his taped reenactment takes care of that. There goes any chance of showing any discrepancies on his part, of trying to show his intent. So, whether or not he truly believed he was in mortal danger has now become totally irrelevant. Maybe the defense can ask for and be granted a directed verdict as soon as the prosecutor is done so this royal mess can be over.

[DougB]

It ain't over, till it's over.

[crummybuttons]

I've seen enough to honestly say he's innocent. TM was a punk! There I said it. When I saw the video of him in the 7/11 store I would have been a tad nervous had I been behind the counter. He looked scary the way he was dressed and acted weird. He was looking like he was going to hold the place up when he was at the register the way he was looking for his money. I've heard enough to say I don't believe GZ is guilty. I think it was self defense. And I'm tired of people always throwing up the race card. I'm shutting up.....Don't get me started.....

[gomoho]

Just a few of the points that came up today: Zimmerman said Trayvon Martin jumped out of the bushes at him, there are no bushes in that area; Zimmerman said he spread Martin's arms out to the side, yet when he was found, Martin's arms were under him. Zimmerman said he didn't know that Martin was dead, yet he reholstered his gun.

When Zimmerman gave his report, he kept calling Martin "the suspect", which shows his depraved mind, necessary for a second degree murder conviction.
What was Martin suspected of?

I thought we were discussing inconsistencies in his testimony - not what he said happened. I also think it interesting you find problems where the two professional investigators found none.

[gocubsgo]

I've seen enough to honestly say he's innocent. TM was a punk! There I said it. When I saw the video of him in the 7/11 store I would have been a tad nervous had I been behind the counter. He looked scary the way he was dressed and acted weird. He was looking like he was going to hold the place up when he was at the register the way he was looking for his money. I've heard enough to say I don't believe GZ is guilty. I think it was self defense. And I'm tired of people always throwing up the race card. I'm shutting up.....Don't get me started.....

:agree: I agree 100% with you. I also am SOOOO tired of media only showing his baby pictures and under 10 years old picture, referring to him as the boy or child. He was 17 and a MAN. Why don't they show the photo taken a month before he died where he's posing with his gun, covered in gang tatoos over a table full of growing pot? You never see THAT photo in the papers.

[redwitch]

:agree: I agree 100% with you. I also am SOOOO tired of media only showing his baby pictures and under 10 years old picture, referring to him as the boy or child. He was 17 and a MAN. Why don't they show the photo taken a month before he died where he's posing with his gun, covered in gang tatoos over a table full of growing pot? You never see THAT photo in the papers.

At least the 12 YO is TM. The picture you're talking about is a rapper, not TM.

[tucson]

I've come to the conclusion that the prosecution is out to lose this case. Talk about stupid to the core. Zimmerman is now off the hook to testify -- his taped reenactment takes care of that. There goes any chance of showing any discrepancies on his part, of trying to show his intent. So, whether or not he truly believed he was in mortal danger has now become totally irrelevant. Maybe the defense can ask for and be granted a directed verdict as soon as the prosecutor is done so this royal mess can be over.

I agree.I believe the State is "going through the motions" to calm the ones that want to make this case a political issue and would like to start racial and potentially dangerous marches that can end up as riots in the streets and neighborhoods. Just my opinion...

[Happinow]

I don't feel that there are inconsistencies in his testimony. He said that Trayvon came out of the bushes....there are shrubs and he came from behind so GZ assumed he came out of the bushes. He could have been hiding in the back of an apartment where the white dividers are. GZ in fact only knew he came from behind and not where he came out of. It really doesn't make a difference, does it? TM was the aggressor and GZ was in fear for his life so he defended himself. I can't explain why he said he put TM arms out to the side after he shot him and when found his arms were under him. Perhaps someone rolled him over? If I were a juror, I would have my mind made up already. Can the judge stop the trial?? This never would have been an issue if Sharpton and his followers hadn't made a stink. Once again, the blacks make this a race thing...

[gomoho]

I am thinking Trayvon Martin wasn't dead when George Zimmerman got up after spreading his arms out and he brought his own arms in to hold his wound.

[BobnBev]

Congrats manaboutown...you have the best "factual" account of the case. Saw the re-enactment tonight with Greta and I don't see Zimmerman being guilty. BUT he will be haunted by the Al Sharpton race baiters for the rest of his life. He will incite many people to do harm to Zimmerman.
Everyone looses except people like Sharpton.

Sharpton has been a loser from Day #1, IMHO

[Monkei]

Once again, HUH? What law is that?

I think your past posts speak for themselves no need to engage me.

When this case is over all the gun bunnies will be able to patrol their gated communities and hound and follow those not quite like them into provoking them to finally attack so they can say in the end I feared for my life so I had to put a cap in him.

Gun bunnies rejoice after all this is really what our founding fathers wanted all alone.

[Patty55]

I think your past posts speak for themselves no need to engage me.

When this case is over all the gun bunnies will be able to patrol their gated communities and hound and follow those not quite like them into provoking them to finally attack so they can say in the end I feared for my life so I had to put a cap in him.

Gun bunnies rejoice after all this is really what our founding fathers wanted all alone.

You do know this is NOT a Stand Your Ground case, don't you?

[kittygilchrist]

too much sorrow to watch...

[Villages PL]

Is there anyone in TV that think Zimmerman is guilty, or not guilty

My gut feeling is that he's not guilty. He wasn't there to start a fight, he was there to observe and report to the police. But once the fight was underway, he became fearful and defended himself. Self-defense is not a crime as far as I know.

[USSGompers]

I think your past posts speak for themselves no need to engage me.

When this case is over all the gun bunnies will be able to patrol their gated communities and hound and follow those not quite like them into provoking them to finally attack so they can say in the end I feared for my life so I had to put a cap in him.

Gun bunnies rejoice after all this is really what our founding fathers wanted all alone.

What's gun bunny? Me because I carry a gun? Maybe I want to protect myself. I have been robbed at gunpoint, robbed with a boa knife, shot thru the intestines with a 38 cal (almost died) and more than I can say here.

If a person is being hurt, attacked and robbed and they can not protect themselves, they will cherish the ground I walk on when I save their life because I am armed.

[Monkei]

You do know this is NOT a Stand Your Ground case, don't you?

Call it what you want. You follow a person whom you think by your own claims is weird and up to no good and are instructed not to follow until the guy turns on you and then you fear for your life in my mind does not give you carte Blanche to shoot the guy. There has to be some degree of guilt on the guy who did the following.

[Monkei]

What's gun bunny? Me because I carry a gun? Maybe I want to protect myself. I have been robbed at gunpoint, robbed with a boa knife, shot thru the intestines with a 38 cal (almost died) and more than I can say here.

If a person is being hurt, attacked and robbed and they can not protect themselves, they will cherish the ground I walk on when I save their life because I am armed.

Yell fire in a crowded theatre, it's free speech ... Same thing with the gun bunnies. Follow a hoodlum until he turns on you and claim self defense. That's a gun bunny.

I have had a carry permit since 2001 in Florida and Tennessee. My first charge is to make sure me and my family do not put themselves in a bad situation to start with. If I can avoid and walk away that is my first choice. If I am attacked out of the blue then that's a different story.

A gun bunny would put themselves into a situation where they would have no choice but to pull their weapon and shoot.

[Bucco]

What's gun bunny? Me because I carry a gun? Maybe I want to protect myself. I have been robbed at gunpoint, robbed with a boa knife, shot thru the intestines with a 38 cal (almost died) and more than I can say here.

If a person is being hurt, attacked and robbed and they can not protect themselves, they will cherish the ground I walk on when I save their life because I am armed.

Understand this....THIS entire fiasco from start to finish has been 100 percent political from the very start.

A young man was killed, and the man who shot him was being investigated as prescribed by law. Until outside POLITICAL influences, at the request of the media contacts, BEFORE the investigation was complete OR by law needed to be complete. The fabrications of facts that were published seem to be ignored...not a big deal, and daily on here we are treated to POLITICAL comments disguised under "sympathetic" comments for a young man. Zimmerman, of corse needs to be held accountable BY THE LAW, not by Al Sharpton and those who seem to enjoy this kind of "entertainment".

Sad to say but if this was a black man shooting a black youth, there would not be this hoopla, and maybe those who get into this so deeply could start a thread about the firefighters in Arizona who were killed. Sad to say, once the Sharpton's of this world saw an opportunity, it was made a political issue and every ingredient, including gun control was "in play", and this became a theme

Sad it is.....those who as a result of this "publicity stunt" view zimmerman as a monster and who actually on here refer to his scary life after trial, OR those who now view Martin as a punk who got his due, should be ashamed of being used by political movements.

Just my opinion, but seeing people make this horrible situation into what it has become is very distressing.

This is politics and gun control is not exempt

[AJ32162]

Yell fire in a crowded theatre, it's free speech ... Same thing with the gun bunnies. Follow a hoodlum until he turns on you and claim self defense. That's a gun bunny.

I have had a carry permit since 2001 in Florida and Tennessee. My first charge is to make sure me and my family do not put themselves in a bad situation to start with. If I can avoid and walk away that is my first choice. If I am attacked out of the blue then that's a different story.

A gun bunny would put themselves into a situation where they would have no choice but to pull their weapon and shoot.

So, when a "hoodlum" (your terminology not mine) that you are following( not illegal as far as I know) jumps you and starts bouncing your head off of the sidewalk like a basketball what should someone do? Ask him to stop?

If a "hoodlum" doesn't want to risk death when assaulting someone, he might want to chose an unarmed victim.

[USSGompers]

Urban Dictionary:

N. A person who loves guns, especially big ones, and has lots of them, often to a ridiculous degree. Mel Gibson and Renee Russo's characters in Lethal Weapon 3 could be considered gun-bunnies.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's character in Commando, and all the commandos in Predator were better examples of gun bunnies. Often used in a mildly derisive manner.

Most frequently used this way in role-playing games (RPGs).
"And so the gun bunny whips out a rocket launcher and blasts that stupid neighbor's dog that wouldn't shut up."

:ohdear: