Cowboy Statue in Brownwood being removed?

[lawatha]

I heard today that the cowboy at Paddock Square in Brownwood is being removed because a child climbed on it, fell off, and broke an arm. Is that true? This is a 55+ community. Why should we have to child-proof it? I love kids, but I also think parents/grandparents should be responsible for watching out for their childs safety. If we're going to remove the cowboy statue, then we better remove the cattle statues too- I have seen photographs with adults and children alike sitting on them. It won't be long probably before somebody falls off of one of them and gets injured. Or perhaps they will be silly enough to try to climb on the metal sculptures and burn themselves because they're really hot when the sun is shining on them. Should we remove anything and everything that a child may injure himself on? What about the fountains? A child could climb on them and fall... Maybe we should just do away with the nightly entertainment as well. A week or so ago while at Brownwood while watching Snapshot, I noticed quite a few young children unattended on the dance floor. One small child was following behind the singer, who was out walking around the dance area. The singer backed up, tripping over the young girl and they both ended up on the ground. Fortunately nobody was hurt- but does that mean we should eliminate entertainment? No- it means... as they always say... Parents and GrandParents, please... do not leave your children unattended. Keep them out of harm's way... and from causing harm. And bring the Cowboy back!!!!!

[buggyone]

I have not yet heard of a child falling off of the cowboy statue. However, when the statues were put up last year, I posted that before long, some grandparent would place their grandchild on the back of one of the bronze cows that had gotten blistering hot in the summer sun and the grandchild would be burned - and no more statue.

That would be terrible to see these marvelous statues leave Brownwood. They are beautiful ... but so were the buffalo...and they are gone.

[Mudder]

Also the last time I was there the saddles were removed from that bar looking area. Was told a kid fell off. I agree with previous poster....watch your kids and grandkids!

[NotGolfer]

But, but, they were there and "little Jimmy" wanted to sit on it (them)!! (sarcasm intended) Why is it that people allow their kids to have carte blanche activity w/o supervision then make it so our litigious society kicks in??

I vaguely remember our 1st visit here when there was a herd of bison (buffalo) in a pasture on 466. They were gone when we came down the next time due to parents/grandparents climbing the fences and trying to have a family photo-op. So sad the developer can't have things enhance our beautiful community without worrying about "issues".

[DianeM]

I'm so tired of the "punish all for the stupidity of the few". The kid should have been watched.

[duffysmom]

Remember the buffalo? Grandparents holding junior up to sit on the fence and see the Buffalo; as the buffalo raised his head and butted junior, BAM, another lawsuit. Bye bye Buffalo...

In the news last week a teenager was gored while goofing around on a very similar long horn bronze steer (not TV); he died. When I saw a picture of the steer it was very similar to our steer in Brownwood. See article below.

"A 14-year-old boy was tragically killed this weekend after being impaled on a bull statue on the Texas Tech University campus. The young victim, Miguel Martinez, and the family of his best friend Jeremy, went for a walk early Saturday morning outside the National Ranching Heritage Museum (located on the Texas Tech campus) when the tragic accident occurred. Reportedly, Miguel was playing hide-and-seek when he took off running, tripped over a light, and fell straight onto one of the bull statue�s three-foot-long horns which pierced through the boy�s chest. The boy was pronounced dead on the scene."

[perrjojo]

I read an article about a child being impaled on a longhorn cattle statue. I think it was in Lubbock. Honestly. I just don't get it. I hope the cowboy is not being removed.

[ilovetv]

And remember the huge, mighty alligators at Lake Sumter, with unattended kids leaning over the ropes and reaching down toward the water....with, as the gator trapper here affirmed, gators being able to jump straight into the air as many feet as they are long, minus 12 inches. The kids were maybe 6 feet above the water and a 9- or 10-foot gator could indeed have jumped high enough to chomp on their hand/arm and drag them down under to drown them and hide them to rot enough to eat.

The first weekend of Brownwood being open with those stunning cowboy and cattle statues, we said to each other that it was only a matter of time before stupid people injure themselves or their kids climbing onto the statues, and they will get lawyers to file endless lawsuits for millions, and have them removed.

I'm getting really sick and tired of stupidity and irresponsible parenting (non-parenting) being enabled to suck money out of people who've worked to improve our world and provide some reminders of days gone by.....historical days today's morons could learn something from.

[golf2140]

The same things happened with our Buffalos. A grand -parent held a child over the fence. Buffalo butted the child, parents sued, buffalo gone.

[THE NEWCOMER]

How about a class action law suite against the parents/grandparents who are responsible for changing the "lifestyle you bought into"? How and when will it stop? They are destroying the reason you and I bought into this lifestyle. Does anybody remember this? "IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY 55 +"

[billethkid]

If.....IF....the story is true thenwe should all write to the developer and his son who is the current operating officer.

Let's 33,000 ++ members of TOTV and or 100,000 +++ residents....one would think we could get a ground swell of public resentment about the removal of the cowboy.

However us realists know that will NEVER happen....just the like the very few of the 33,000 TOTV members actually participate.

So if it is true the statues will one by one be gone.

However, I do love to be proven wrong by a resident outcry.

btk

[Waynecarla]

The adult pools are for 30 and over,maybe the rest of the villages should be the same !!.

[perrjojo]

The adult pools are for 30 and over,maybe the rest of the villages should be the same !!.

:BigApplause:

Hmmm..you may be on to something...or perhaps stupid people can't live here. Oh well, it's a thought.

[DianeM]

Maybe an I.Q. test before you sign on the dotted line.

[ugotme]

:BigApplause:

Hmmm..you may be on to something...or perhaps stupid people can't live here. Oh well, it's a thought.

WAIT, WAIT, I just bought here - where would I go ?

[Ecuadog]

... This is a 55+ community. Why should we have to child-proof it? I love kids, but I also think parents/grandparents should be responsible for watching out for their childs safety. ...
Bingo.

[gocubsgo]

How about a class action law suite against the parents/grandparents who are responsible for changing the "lifestyle you bought into"? How and when will it stop? They are destroying the reason you and I bought into this lifestyle. Does anybody remember this? "IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY 55 +"

Excellent! Same holds true with grandpa letting the 5 and 6 year old grandkids drive the golf carts all over the place. I saw one tonight that made me stop dead in my tracks. Kid driving wasn't anymore than 5 years old, Grandma in the passenger seat HOLDING a toddler and a teenager hanging off the back...driving through Spanish Springs!!!

Stupid people do stupid things and ruin it for everyone!!

[Sage327]

How about a class action law suite against the parents/grandparents who are responsible for changing the "lifestyle you bought into"? How and when will it stop? They are destroying the reason you and I bought into this lifestyle. Does anybody remember this? "IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY 55 +"

:BigApplause:

[skip0358]

I say IF the Parents or Grandparents can't watch and control their kids or grandkids they should loose their guest pass privileges. Why should we who live here loose things because of a few lazy loafing people. My granddaughter comes and tows the line or doesn't come again period. JMO

[ilovetv]

I say IF the Parents or Grandparents can't watch and control their kids or grandkids they should loose their guest pass privileges. Why should we who live here loose things because of a few lazy loafing people. My granddaughter comes and tows the line or doesn't come again period. JMO

Unfortunately...wait a minute.....FORTUNATELY the parents or grandparents might not live here in TV and thus sanctions like revoking their guest pass privileges wouldn't apply.

Lifting the kid onto the statue for a picture is one thing.....but trying to suck unearned, unneeded, punitive money from property owners by slapping them with lawsuits is a malignancy metastasizing thru this society.

Removing the statues would be THE LAST STRAW!!

[asianthree]

but you know their grandchildren never do anything wrong...so goes the buffalo and our statues hate to see kids hurt but tired of stupid adults not having control of children

[NIPAS K-9]

How about a class action law suite against the parents/grandparents who are responsible for changing the "lifestyle you bought into"? How and when will it stop? They are destroying the reason you and I bought into this lifestyle. Does anybody remember this? "IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY 55 +"

Im all for that////////////////////:crap2:

[ilovetv]

but you know their grandchildren never do anything wrong...so goes the buffalo and our statues hate to see kids hurt but tired of stupid adults not having control of children

Yes, they are the same useless, stupid parents who bully teachers and school administrators with lawsuits, driving the best ones to quit and get out of education completely.......

So the inmates can run the asylum.

[Phanatic Luvr]

How about a small signs which would read ... "Climbing on and falling off statues, do at your own risk. The Villages not responsible for your brain malfunctioning."

[graciegirl]

I heard today that the cowboy at Paddock Square in Brownwood is being removed because a child climbed on it, fell off, and broke an arm. Is that true? This is a 55+ community. Why should we have to child-proof it? I love kids, but I also think parents/grandparents should be responsible for watching out for their childs safety. If we're going to remove the cowboy statue, then we better remove the cattle statues too- I have seen photographs with adults and children alike sitting on them. It won't be long probably before somebody falls off of one of them and gets injured. Or perhaps they will be silly enough to try to climb on the metal sculptures and burn themselves because they're really hot when the sun is shining on them. Should we remove anything and everything that a child may injure himself on? What about the fountains? A child could climb on them and fall... Maybe we should just do away with the nightly entertainment as well. A week or so ago while at Brownwood while watching Snapshot, I noticed quite a few young children unattended on the dance floor. One small child was following behind the singer, who was out walking around the dance area. The singer backed up, tripping over the young girl and they both ended up on the ground. Fortunately nobody was hurt- but does that mean we should eliminate entertainment? No- it means... as they always say... Parents and GrandParents, please... do not leave your children unattended. Keep them out of harm's way... and from causing harm. And bring the Cowboy back!!!!!


Could you tell us who told you that the statue was being removed?

[blueeagle65]

Is everyone familiar with the Darwin Awards? If not, look it up :icon_wink:

[Phanatic Luvr]

Was just telling my husband about this post and he said it is already gone. They were removing the concrete around its base this afternoon.
This was the statue located by the stage in Brownwood, I believe it was suppose to be Mr. Schwartz. Heard the cost for that statue alone was $50,000.
As my husband said, the steps on the bleachers are dangerous, will they tear that out the first time someone gets hurt on there and what if someone trips and fall on a curb, will they remove all the curbing next?

[jblum315]

To the people whose kid climbed on the statue and broke his arm: Gee folks, I'm really sorry your vacation was ruined. Too bad. Maybe you'll learn to keep an eye on your children.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

This would be unfair if it happens and the gorgous horse and cowboy is removed. Unfortunately, as a paralegal and a person with a year or so of law school I know what legal obsticles and liability (not to mention lawsuits) the villages can face. However, I still wish they can keep Brownwood intact as envisioned.

[ilovetv]

"To be run out of town on a rail was to literally take a 4x4 fence post, make the person straddle it (by literally thrusting him onto it), boost it up about five feet into the air (usually on the shoulders of a group of men) and march (jostled and bumped as much as possible) to the edge of town and dump him with dire warnings not to return.

After that kind of "man handling" you weren't in a hurry to retaliate and if you could you limped away, assuming tarring and feathering wasn't involved."

What does run out of town on a rail mean (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_run_out_of_town_on_a_rail_mean)

[lawatha]

Could you tell us who told you that the statue was being removed?

I heard it from a Community Watch employee today. I was hoping he heard wrong, but unfortunately it looks like he was right.

Yes, let's get rid of the stadium seating at Brownwood because a kid might tumble down the steps. Let's get rid of the pools because a child might be injured or worse. Heck, just pad all surfaces with rubber so nobody gets injured. And of course, no more golf carts, you know how dangerous those can be!

Crazy!!!!!

[lawatha]

And don't forget the dangerous pickleball courts. I've seen kids out there playing by themselves, and playing with adults. Not safe! I've seen kids playing bocce ball by themselves, and they send those balls flying out of bounds. Danger!!! Where do you draw the line? At a $50,000 statue?

[ilovetv]

Was just telling my husband about this post and he said it is already gone. They were removing the concrete around its base this afternoon.
This was the statue located by the stage in Brownwood, I believe it was suppose to be Mr. Schwartz. Heard the cost for that statue alone was $50,000.
As my husband said, the steps on the bleachers are dangerous, will they tear that out the first time someone gets hurt on there and what if someone trips and fall on a curb, will they remove all the curbing next?

I hope this story appears in the Daily Sun, so the masses of residents here know and make a huge outcry about this.

And why is it not "enough" for the medical bills to be paid by the property owner and/or his insurer????

[skip0358]

Unfortunately...wait a minute.....FORTUNATELY the parents or grandparents might not live here in TV and thus sanctions like revoking their guest pass privileges wouldn't apply.

Lifting the kid onto the statue for a picture is one thing.....but trying to suck unearned, unneeded, punitive money from property owners by slapping them with lawsuits is a malignancy metastasizing thru this society.

Removing the statues would be THE LAST STRAW!!

Well then IF they're not from TV they should be told to leave the square or property until they can behave period.

[NotGolfer]

Someone here (or several "someones") should write letters to the editor of The Sun re: this. More folks read that than this site I'd wager. Might make some waves to the affirmative for a change!!!

[ilovetv]

Someone here (or several "someones") should write letters to the editor of The Sun re: this. More folks read that than this site I'd wager. Might make some waves to the affirmative for a change!!!

Good idea, but first we need some factual info from a named source so we're writing about a factual situation.

That's what I'd like to see in the Daily Sun. It's time sensible people stand up and speak for common sense.....and an end to lawsuits, trial lawyers and courts determining what is placed on private property.

[Uncle Tom]

The Villages tries to create a nice, inviting place for residents. Then some parents or grand parents aren't watching a kid and he falls off. I guess if the mother or father can't watch their kids go back up north and live on the Bronx. Stupid people should not breed

[Bonny]

Such a shame to see that removed because someone can't watch their kids !!!

[kaydee]

So upsetting to learn that little by little some of the beautiful features of TV have to be removed due to stupidity of those who should be held responsible for their stupid actions. Again, the select few who refuse to use common sense, refuse to say no to the little darlings and continue to set very poor example. Why else would we still see those well underage golf cart drivers with the so called adult in the passenger seat who I've got to believe are fully aware of the rules but refuse to abide by them. Wish somehow that cart was stopped & ticketed.

[redwitch]

I'm willing to bet that within two years either all of the cow statues will be removed or so fenced off all the beauty will be gone. I remember a lawsuit that occurred over 30 years ago -- a teenager was going to break into a school via a skylight. He fell through the skylight and was severely injured. His family sued the school district (attractive nuisance) and won several million dollars. People should take responsibility for their actions. It's a shame they don't and it's a shame that the law frequently backs them up.

[skip0358]

Maybe since Brownwood is the Old Wild West there should be a Sheriff and Gallows should have been installed. Problem solved, hang um high. Just Kidding.

[Bogie Shooter]

I heard it from a Community Watch employee today. I was hoping he heard wrong, but unfortunately it looks like he was right.Yes, let's get rid of the stadium seating at Brownwood because a kid might tumble down the steps. Let's get rid of the pools because a child might be injured or worse. Heck, just pad all surfaces with rubber so nobody gets injured. And of course, no more golf carts, you know how dangerous those can be!

Crazy!!!!!

Why? Have you heard more rumors?

[gocubsgo]

I guess it's not a rumor. I heard it too from management in Community Watch !

What a shame that people let these grandkids do whatever they want and ruin it for others.

[graciegirl]

I am an old person. I have lived here for six years. I think we all have a lot of time on our hands. I would never dream that I would be arguing about religion on other threads. Did I say we have too much time on our hands and we read too much into almost everything around here?

I am frequently wrong...but to old Graciegirl...this whole things smells like a rumor.

But....if grandparents continue to act like they have no sense...it could be real.

People kept pesting the new mama buffalos and jumping fences to get them all mad.

We have no buffalo now and we could be losing the cowboy. What next?

[villages07]

Was just telling my husband about this post and he said it is already gone. They were removing the concrete around its base this afternoon.
This was the statue located by the stage in Brownwood, I believe it was suppose to be Mr. Schwartz. Heard the cost for that statue alone was $50,000.
As my husband said, the steps on the bleachers are dangerous, will they tear that out the first time someone gets hurt on there and what if someone trips and fall on a curb, will they remove all the curbing next?

Based on this subsequent post quoted above, 'eyes on the ground' say this is not a rumor, but, is happening.

Unfortunate... that cowboy statue had a lot of character and fit nicely into the paddock square design. I hope they find a nice, protected place to move it to. It does make you wonder/worry how they will protect the cattle statues at the entrance to Brownwood.

[graciegirl]

Based on this subsequent post quoted above, 'eyes on the ground' say this is not a rumor, but, is happening.

Unfortunate... that cowboy statue had a lot of character and fit nicely into the paddock square design. I hope they find a nice, protected place to move it to. It does make you wonder/worry how they will protect the cattle statues at the entrance to Brownwood.


You are right as usual 07 and I was wrong. A person who I trust just sent me a message that the cowboy is GONE.

Boy Howdy.

[Barefoot]

but you know their grandchildren never do anything wrong...so goes the buffalo and our statues ....

The town squares are open to the public. It may not be negligent grandparents to blame. It may well be permissive parents, the kind who avoid discipline because they want to be "best friends" with their kids.

[De Lis]

It's a 55+ community, don't WE have rights? Also, how old was this kid? I find it weird to climb a cowboy!

[Madelaine Amee]

We can only hope that "they" will securely fence in the statues so that the little darlings and their idiot parents/grandparents cannot reach them, but we will still be able to enjoy them.

[cgalloway6]

Don't let the lawyers off the hook. Someone is looking to make money from this.

[KathieI]

The first time I saw the statues of the bulls with those horns,, I gave them a very short life cycle.

Based on what I see happening here in TV with irresponsible parents or grandparents (whatever), and based upon what I personally saw for myself outside the Waterfront Inn in April of '08, with children sitting on the fences petting the buffalo and adults beckoning the animals to come over to the kids, I think no one uses common sense anymore.

I miss the buffalo but personally I won't miss the statues, I think they are very unattractive. Sorry that's my opinion.

[billethkid]

maybe "someone" on high wanted the statue elsewhere?!?!

When the buffalo went there were stories about why. And then a short time later the property was filled with homes. One can conclude what and why the developer did it without ever announcing that was their intent.

The cowboy, however is a different story. The only reason other than the story being passed around is that it is wanted by somewhere else by someone in the heirarchy.

And it is acknowledged the developer and or his representatives do not owe anybody any explanations. It just seems like the courteous, right thing to do for the people who have made them what they have.

I sometimes think no announcement may bear less angst than if the TRUTH were announced....after all a very simple, less costly alternative would have been a small western, cowboy like fencing could very easily have solved the problem as well.

If the other statues remain then the story is fabricated and the statues was wanted elsewhere. Why else would the others remain with the exact same libility pending???

btk

[kittygilchrist]

Unfortunately...wait a minute.....FORTUNATELY the parents or grandparents might not live here in TV and thus sanctions like revoking their guest pass privileges wouldn't apply.

Lifting the kid onto the statue for a picture is one thing.....but trying to suck unearned, unneeded, punitive money from property owners by slapping them with lawsuits is a malignancy metastasizing thru this society.

Removing the statues would be THE LAST STRAW!!

thank you for that. liability is the real reason I don't want golfers fetching balls or dog owners picking up poop ( do not start another thread please) on my place.

[rubicon]

Brownwood Cowboys buffalo, et al are what the law refers to as Attractive Nuisance same as pools tunnels caves, etc. curious kids will well be curious Some attorneys simply take advantage and create obligations where none exist. Its why your lawnmower has a warning not to lift it when its running Duh. and why no matter where you were during the creation stages of a product that you find yourself in a products liability lawsuit Product liability is a huge industry creating experts of every kind and many will say whatever you want just pay them. And it doesn't matter how long ago that product was made. if it was made in 1903 an attorney will allege all kinds of design defects, etc even if the technology was not available back then.

The Developer has a history of being averse to lawsuits. So is there really any surprise that Brownwood Cowboy had to go. Frankly in this case I side with the Developer. The plus I find here is that while people complain that the kids were climbing Cowboy at least it is satisfying to know that not all grandparents/parents are helicopter parents letting kids be kids. Now all we have to do is let attorneys know that so they think twice about suing

[billethkid]

please take note of the surrounding ambiance of the Schwartz statue in Spanish Springs. If I recal (and I may be thinking of some where else) the statuse is not accessible.

I agree the developer is liability prevention/avoidance prone....should not all of us be?

However if they do their homework as well as TV shows that it does...the planners who have everything factored in including the appropriate colors of the buildings. For example, We tried to get a commercial property color changed
and it was shot down instantly as there was a reason for the original color.

So why do the great detailed planners, including liability exposure reviews ALLOW such things as cowboys, bulls, buffalo......it isn't like they have not been in the business of "people" long enough.

The longer I live here and the more incidents like cowboys, buffalo, parades, New Years on the Squares et al, I am becoming more convinced it is because there is a "plan" for everything that happens. They are too good at what they do for it to be other wise. The libility is a quick easy to peddle "excuse" and too easiy accepted by the residents.....in my humble, doubting Thomas but practical reality opinion.

btk

[CFrance]

Brownwood Cowboys buffalo, et al are what the law refers to as Attractive Nuisance same as pools tunnels caves, etc. curious kids will well be curious Some attorneys simply take advantage and create obligations where none exist. Its why your lawnmower has a warning not to lift it when its running Duh. and why no matter where you were during the creation stages of a product that you find yourself in a products liability lawsuit Product liability is a huge industry creating experts of every kind and many will say whatever you want just pay them. And it doesn't matter how long ago that product was made. if it was made in 1903 an attorney will allege all kinds of design defects, etc even if the technology was not available back then.

The Developer has a history of being averse to lawsuits. So is there really any surprise that Brownwood Cowboy had to go. Frankly in this case I side with the Developer. The plus I find here is that while people complain that the kids were climbing Cowboy at least it is satisfying to know that not all grandparents/parents are helicopter parents letting kids be kids. Now all we have to do is let attorneys know that so they think twice about suing

Rubicon, I think you hit the nail on the head on this one.

And if the juries and judges would quit upholding these ridiculous lawsuits holding others financially responsible for the consequences of stupid actions of parents/grandparents, these nuisance lawsuits would go away.

[tommy steam]

I wonder if they have signs down by the statutes that tell you to keep off them? If not have them put there.

[DonH57]

Unfortunately that is the sad state our society is becoming. I'm just curious, were there no signs not to mount or climb the statues even though I'm aware a sign would ruin the estetics of the display.

[Bavarian]

The parents who let their children treat everything as a playground are the problem. They will grow up to be hoodlums. These are the same people who let their children run up and down the aisles during Mass. No respect.

[lawatha]

I heard today from someone who works for Community Watch that the rumor about someone falling off and breaking an arm is just a rumor- there is apparently no truth to it. Sorry for getting everybody all upset about it- I was upset too at the thought of removing a statue because a child fell off of it. The better remedy would be... don't climb on it!

[lawatha]

maybe "someone" on high wanted the statue elsewhere?!?!

... The only reason other than the story being passed around is that it is wanted by somewhere else by someone in the heirarchy.

btk

This is more likely what has happened. The cowboy is gone, but probably not because of any child falling and breaking an arm. Who knows? I wish they would come out and say- and put this rumor to rest.

[DougB]

This is more likely what has happened. The cowboy is gone, but probably not because of any child falling and breaking an arm. Who knows? I wish they would come out and say- and put this rumor to rest.

Sorry, but if the rumor was not put out there, then there would be no reason for anyone to put it to rest.

[njbchbum]

The town squares are open to the public. It may not be negligent grandparents to blame. It may well be permissive parents, the kind who avoid discipline because they want to be "best friends" with their kids.

I hope that any financial gain that may be ascribed to the child/guardians is reduced as a result of a claim for negligence against them!

[lawatha]

Sorry, but if the rumor was not put out there, then there would be no reason for anyone to put it to rest.

Touch�!

[DougB]

Touch�!

I actually like the cow statues out front. Thought the cowboy was kind of corny.

[zcaveman]

I guess we should get to Brownwood before all of the statues are gone. I was hoping to wait until it got built up. It took me a year and a half to get to LSL.

Z

[ilovetv]

I guess we should get to Brownwood before all of the statues are gone. I was hoping to wait until it got built up. It took me a year and a half to get to LSL.

Z

These statues at the entrance are not to be missed. It's an artistic and historic treasure given to the entire community and surrounding towns. So now, because some low-life who wants gobs of money without working for it can get a lawyer to twist arms to get money out of this, it could all be taken down to eliminate lawsuit risks.

See it here:
Brownwood, Paddock Square - Perfectly Captured Gallery (http://www.perfectlycaptured.com/showfull.php?photo=16824)

[jblum315]

At least we have that lovely photo to remember it by. It's hard to see how a little kid could have climbed up on that statue without help. Just sayin'

[Bogie Shooter]

I heard today from someone who works for Community Watch that the rumor about someone falling off and breaking an arm is just a rumor- there is apparently no truth to it. Sorry for getting everybody all upset about it- I was upset too at the thought of removing a statue because a child fell off of it. The better remedy would be... don't climb on it!

Its a good idea to verify what you hear as being factual before posting on the Internet!
(People believe everything they read on the Internet)

[Bogie Shooter]

If.....IF....the story is true thenwe should all write to the developer and his son who is the current operating officer.

Let's 33,000 ++ members of TOTV and or 100,000 +++ residents....one would think we could get a ground swell of public resentment about the removal of the cowboy.

However us realists know that will NEVER happen....just the like the very few of the 33,000 TOTV members actually participate.

So if it is true the statues will one by one be gone.

However, I do love to be proven wrong by a resident outcry.

btk

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[Phanatic Luvr]

The statue that was removed was the one up by the stage, not at the entrance on 44. Apparently, it was suppose to be Mr. Schwartz, as like the one in Spanish Springs.

[jblum315]

Oh, I thought it was the one at the entrance

[Bogie Shooter]

The statue that was removed was the one up by the stage, not at the entrance on 44. Apparently, it was suppose to be Mr. Schwartz, as like the one in Spanish Springs.

What is the source for apparently?

[Bizdoc]

Perhaps they plan to replace the bronze cattle with bronze hamburgers...

[bwint7]

I just drove into Brownwood today around 12:45pm off of 44 and the cowboy and all of the cattle statues are still there. I would think that a sign warning that climbing onto the statues is done at your own risk with The Villages bearing no respnsibility should solve the problem.

[rubicon]

Perhaps they plan to replace the bronze cattle with bronze hamburgers...

:1rotfl:

[Virtual Geezer]

To resolve the issue just build a pond or water feature around the cattle statues with flowing water similar to SS. This will surely keep the kids out "most" of the times and the elders will not want to get wet.

VG

[graciegirl]

To resolve the issue just build a pond or water feature around the cattle statues with flowing water similar to SS. This will surely keep the kids out "most" of the times and the elders will not want to get wet.

VG

Great idea. You must be from Ohio.;)

[lawatha]

Its a good idea to verify what you hear as being factual before posting on the Internet!
(People believe everything they read on the Internet)

I believed my source... who works for community watch. But in my original post, I DID say... is this true? I didn't say it WAS true- I was asking. And maybe it really is true, maybe they're just doing a little CYA now. Like I am.

[Bogie Shooter]

I just drove into Brownwood today around 12:45pm off of 44 and the cowboy and all of the cattle statues are still there. I would think that a sign warning that climbing onto the statues is done at your own risk with The Villages bearing no respnsibility should solve the problem.

To resolve the issue just build a pond or water feature around the cattle statues with flowing water similar to SS. This will surely keep the kids out "most" of the times and the elders will not want to get wet.

VG

What problem? What issue?

[wendyquat]

It's a 55+ community, don't WE have rights? Also, how old was this kid? I find it weird to climb a cowboy!

Haven't you heard the song, "Save the horse, ride a cowboy"? :crap2:

[wendyquat]

My husband is a native Floridian and a real cowboy and we have enjoyed the "cowboy" themed Brownwood! We've owned a lot of horses, big and small, but he says the horse on 44 is way out of proportion as a "cracker" horse would never have been that huge! :crap2:

[Indydealmaker]

I just drove into Brownwood today around 12:45pm off of 44 and the cowboy and all of the cattle statues are still there. I would think that a sign warning that climbing onto the statues is done at your own risk with The Villages bearing no respnsibility should solve the problem.

I recommend surrounding the statues with an alligator-filled moat.

[asianthree]

well at least the family will get a paid vacation and then some...if a kid fell off something...it is a good income at TV expense

[ugotme]

I say we fine the "guardians" of these little angels for ruining not only the statue but our way of life !

:spoken:

[Virtual Geezer]

What problem? What issue?

Issue! Stupid individuals placing their kids or grand kids on a statue for a photo op. I witnessed that just a few months back. Only a matter of time before one takes a header and the lawyers will have a field day going after the developer for not providing a safe environment aka landing zone.

VG

[Virtual Geezer]

I just drove into Brownwood today around 12:45pm off of 44 and the cowboy and all of the cattle statues are still there. I would think that a sign warning that climbing onto the statues is done at your own risk with The Villages bearing no respnsibility should solve the problem.

The problem with a sign is that you are actually stating it is okay to climb all over things "at your own risk" which is not the case to begin with. The statues are decorative pieces and not a play yard jungle gym. Also what is the structural integrity of the statues. How much weight are they designed to hold. Lawyers would love to tear apart the value of the meaning "at your own risk" sign when it comes to dollars.

VG

[dsned]

I agree with newcomer, I think we should sue dumb people for interfering with our lifestyle, that we bought and paid for!! Last season a distraught g-ma on the dock next to lake Sumter, was trying to control 2 toddlers, one in her arms squirming away and the other in a stroller who was on his way out of stroller and into the water. I quickly grabbed him and helped her get away from the water. She was so frazzled, Grandparents need to realize they are not 30 yrs old anymore and the little ones are FAST!:)

[justjim]

It's a 55+ community, don't WE have rights? Also, how old was this kid? I find it weird to climb a cowboy!

All the Squares are open to the Public---makes no difference what your age happens to be. You must not discipline "johnny" you will give him a complex or DCFS will take Johnny away.

[Bogie Shooter]

Issue! Stupid individuals placing their kids or grand kids on a statue for a photo op. I witnessed that just a few months back. Only a matter of time before one takes a header and the lawyers will have a field day going after the developer for not providing a safe environment aka landing zone.

VG

but, OP says no kid was involved......................

[obxgal]

Think of all the grandparents that want playgrounds put in for their little darlings and the lawsuits that can come from that. A few here on the board have complained how awful it is that the developer hasn't put them. I say kudos to them for not putting them in.

[Bonny]

Was there really a kid who fell off & got hurt ? I know a lot of people here & I have not heard anything about this. Does anyone know this for sure ? If you did, where did you here it from ?
Hope everyone has a wonderful night !!! Sleep well !

[wendyquat]

Maybe we're going to have a great big ole golf cart scavenger hunt ---- find the cowboy! First place will be reserved seats at the next Rocky and the Rollers venue!

[Villager Dude]

This boils down to Parent Responsibility ....Nuf Said !

[Bogie Shooter]

I heard today from someone who works for Community Watch that the rumor about someone falling off and breaking an arm is just a rumor- there is apparently no truth to it. Sorry for getting everybody all upset about it- I was upset too at the thought of removing a statue because a child fell off of it. The better remedy would be... don't climb on it!

Was there really a kid who fell off & got hurt ? I know a lot of people here & I have not heard anything about this. Does anyone know this for sure ? If you did, where did you here it from ?
Hope everyone has a wonderful night !!! Sleep well !

Bonnie, there is your answer.

[Bonny]

Bonnie, there is your answer.
Oh thank you ! I must have missed that or didn't read well before I asked that question. :ho:

[maddie101]

Was just telling my husband about this post and he said it is already gone. They were removing the concrete around its base this afternoon.
This was the statue located by the stage in Brownwood, I believe it was suppose to be Mr. Schwartz. Heard the cost for that statue alone was $50,000.
As my husband said, the steps on the bleachers are dangerous, will they tear that out the first time someone gets hurt on there and what if someone trips and fall on a curb, will they remove all the curbing next?

If it was just a rumor about the child falling, why did they remove the expensive statue?

[graciegirl]

If it was just a rumor about the child falling, why did they remove the expensive statue?

No one knows for sure.

But many will tell you.

That's just how we are on this forum. :1rotfl:

[asianthree]

No one knows for sure.

But many will tell you.

That's just how we are on this forum. :1rotfl:

:blahblahblah: wait for it...wait for it...you are right GG....what about a game where is the statue...

[doran]

Brownwood is a wonderful place and how sad to learn that this statue is being removed--I have witnessed several children that are misbehaved here in the Villages and do not go downtown as much as I did before--while children are visiting--We moved here to be with other adults and enjoy the life style--parents and grandparents need to keep these children in line to keep from climbing on statues etc--so we can enjoy them--

[bluedog103]

If it was just a rumor about the child falling, why did they remove the expensive statue?

He got a new home where the buffalo roam.

[TrudyM]

Some of the statues in our area that have had problems with climbing, have been reinstalled with taller sloping concrete bases with do not climb plaques on them. The slope makes it hard for small children to climb and helps give arguments in any attractive nuisance claims or at least that was the explanation given in the paper. Hopefully that is what will be done in this case. Now in our town which has a lot of cast statues of people around the town, the town council decided on just the do not climb plaques.

[graciegirl]

Maybe Gary Morse decided to have it over at his place since it is a likeness of his dad...and the tikes were trying to break their necks on it?

THIS is a RUMOR...that I made up all by myself.

[Patty55]

They should have just electrified the thing. A good ZAP would straighten out the kiddies.

[CFrance]

They should have just electrified the thing. A good ZAP would straighten out the kiddies.

As usual, you are so practical...:evil6::evil6:

[Bogie Shooter]

There has been no factual posting that any children were involved.

[tommy steam]

How about a small signs which would read ... "Climbing on and falling off statues, do at your own risk. The Villages not responsible for your brain malfunctioning."

For whatever reason you don't see signs like that any place in TVs. I think the powers to be do not want to offend anyone . It does not look too friendly if there are signs posted all over saying dont do this or don't do that , keep of the grass,ect. Sometimes signs are a good thing, just a little reminder.

[billethkid]

For whatever reason you don't see signs like that any place in TVs. I think the powers to be do not want to offend anyone . It does not look too friendly if there are signs posted all over saying dont do this or don't do that , keep of the grass,ect. Sometimes signs are a good thing, just a little reminder.

And it is "friendly" or considerate to just deprive the residents?
Of the buffalo, the statues, the parades or New Year's Eve at the squares???

Any action taken or could have been taken had or has nothing to do with the developers or his reps being thought of as unfriendly.

That would imply the feelings of the residents are a priority in such matters and actions taken certainly do dispell that notion. And of course we all (I think) acknowledge their prerogative to do as they see fit.

Btk

[Phanatic Luvr]

Here is the statue which was in Brownwood, to the right of the stage.
And now here is the new trash can which replaced the statue.

[ilovetv]

Here is the statue which was in Brownwood, to the right of the stage.

And now here is the new trash can which replaced the statue.


That is pathetic.

There has to be a reason the statue was removed. The developers and design team have excellent aesthetic sense and I don't think they removed it for no reason.

[CFrance]

There must be some difference, in terms of liability, between a development like TV and a city. There are suatues like this all over big cities, with kids constantly climbing on them. Not saying it's right for parents to let their kids climb on something potentially harmful to them, but it is done, and you don't see the cities removing their statues.

I wonder what the difference is.

[JP]

Here's an evil thought. Maybe he had the villages pay for it and he intended to keep it for himself all along....I'm just saying things like this do happen.

[Barefoot]

Here's an evil thought. Maybe he had the villages pay for it and he intended to keep it for himself all along....I'm just saying things like this do happen.

Are you talking about Gary Morse, who has a billion dollars? What a great lawn ornament that statue would make.

[Bogie Shooter]

This thread is going nowhere......................................

[JP]

A lot of people that get rich and stay rich are very frugal and idiosyncratic and pay attention to details and tax schemes that many of us would not even consider doing. That's probably why I'm not rich. My accountant says pay this much and I do. I have had business partners worth a lot more than me that would do anything and everything to save a dime.

[THE NEWCOMER]

This thread is going nowhere......................................

Say it ain't so! LOL!

[BritParrothead]

Have just looked at the webcam, sad to say the lovely statue is no more :( So glad I got my photos when I could. Sad.

[Spizwink]

As a relatively new resident of TV, it is hugely disappointing to read about the disappearance of the Buffalos and the subsiquest vanishing statues because of the litigious society we now live in. Nothing is EVER my fault! Like so much else that has changed in our Country, not for the better in my opinion, the "someone owes me" mentality is ingrained in our youth for sure, but sadly enough in the Baby-Boomer crowd as well.

[jblum315]

Any judge worth his salt would throw this case out of court

[graciegirl]

Boy Howdy.

Do you suppose that it developed a crack or a glitch and has been returned to the manufacturer for repair?

My 73 year old brain under this kinda blonde lookin' hair tells me that since the rest of this place is run so beautifully by that billionaire that got there by just doing it the American way that this too has some reasonable explanation.

This thread is a real result of it being too hot to play outside much and frequent rain that is cutting back on our golf and pickleball.

You just wait and see. This mystery is not a dark ugly situation.

[Barefoot]

This thread is going nowhere......................................

But Bogie, I notice that you're still reading it! :Screen_of_Death:

[Bogie Shooter]

But Bogie, I notice that you're still reading it! :Screen_of_Death:

Looking for facts, not rumors!

[janmcn]

Looking for facts, not rumors!


What has The Daily Sun reported on the removal of the statue?

[rayschic]

Any judge worth his salt would throw this case out of court

No case to throw out. Read post #11 from lawatha, the OP. It was a RUMOR.


posted by lawatha
I heard today from someone who works for Community Watch that the rumor about someone falling off and breaking an arm is just a rumor- there is apparently no truth to it. Sorry for getting everybody all upset about it- I was upset too at the thought of removing a statue because a child fell off of it. The better remedy would be... don't climb on it!

[Barefoot]

Looking for facts, not rumors!

I doubt you'll find facts on TOTV ..... our speciality is rumors. :024:

[Bonny]

I doubt you'll find facts on TOTV ..... our speciality is rumors. :024:
:a20:

[lawatha]

Here is the statue which was in Brownwood, to the right of the stage.
And now here is the new trash can which replaced the statue.

Yep. That new trash can looks so much better, doesn't it? NOT! I still haven't heard why the cowboy was removed. And after stirring up 13 pages of talk about it, I don't think I'll venture to speculate any further. :highfive:

[PammyJ]

No case to throw out. Read post #11 from lawatha, the OP. It was a RUMOR.


posted by lawatha
I heard today from someone who works for Community Watch that the rumor about someone falling off and breaking an arm is just a rumor- there is apparently no truth to it. Sorry for getting everybody all upset about it- I was upset too at the thought of removing a statue because a child fell off of it. The better remedy would be... don't climb on it!

Last weekend we asked someone who is an employee at the Sales office in Sumter. The person said it was no rumor, the child had a head injury. If there were any possibility of legal action, they would need to remedy the situation so that no one else gets hurt it is gone, there must be a reason!

[Diva Kay]

I agree with all - it is a case of grandparents and parents not watching their kids.
Please do not punish us for their neglect oh powers that be.

[TheCollierCpl]

The idea of a class action suit against anyone stodgy enough to let kids run free or hurt themselves on statues -thus resulting in litigation against TV - is the start of a good idea.
The Village Association can meet with the Morse's about this issue. The Association could start a voluntary fund (collect contributions at the town centers). Have warning signs and press a class action suit against anyone suing TV due to their own stupidity.
Whta I write here is easier said than done, and the right publicity may go a long way. However, this is the beninnging of a brain storm on the idea.
We are not here full time (yet) but some e who is should start a thread and hotlyursue this.

[mrfixit]

If a child was hurt by climbing on statue....
.............I certainly hope for their speedy and full recovery.

GracieGirls premise that it could have gone back to shop for
remodel might be "spot-on".

Perhaps to remedy.....
... placement of the RIGHT hand.
........missing finger on the Right Hand.
.............phantom bulge in the frontal area above right hand...

.................this based on my simple "twisted" mind ...
...................................after looking at the Pic of said statue .

Click ON the Picture....( shown in Post #109 )
....................then when it "expands"..... click on it a second time....
.................................................. ..............and then click on it one more time.

[Bogie Shooter]

The idea of a class action suit against anyone stodgy enough to let kids run free or hurt themselves on statues -thus resulting in litigation against TV - is the start of a good idea.
The Village Association can meet with the Morse's about this issue. The Association could start a voluntary fund (collect contributions at the town centers). Have warning signs and press a class action suit against anyone suing TV due to their own stupidity.
Whta I write here is easier said than done, and the right publicity may go a long way. However, this is the beninnging of a brain storm on the idea.
We are not here full time (yet) but some e who is should start a thread and hotlyursue this.

What Village Association? Voluntary fund to pay lawyers?
Just what we need a lot of signs all over the place.
"some e who is should start a thread and hotlyursue this" Why not you?
Remember you cannot change stupid!

[Bogie Shooter]

If a child was hurt by climbing on statue....
.............I certainly hope for their speedy and full recovery.

GracieGirls premise that it could have gone back to shop for
remodel might be "spot-on".

Perhaps to remedy.....
... placement of the RIGHT hand.
........missing finger on the Right Hand.
.............phantom bulge in the frontal area above right hand...

.................this based on my simple "twisted" mind ...
...................................after looking at the Pic of said statue .

Click ON the Picture....( shown in Post #109 )
....................then when it "expands"..... click on it a second time....
.................................................. ..............and then click on it one more time.

Your choice of words on your Google searches, is taking you to the wrong web sites......."bulge in the frontal area? Really?

[dustygizmo]

There were big signs at the Buffalo fences that said WILD ANIMALS but they still put the children on the fences. Parents/grandparents cant you read the signs. I hope they don't take down the bronze stautes.