Hillary is the winner of a poll at Spanish Springs

[Talk Host]

For the last couple of night, we have conducted an unscientific poll in the evening at Spanish Springs (150 people). The question was, "who should be our next president?" 96 said Hillary Clinton. The other 64 were scattered among the other hopefuls. The majority of those supporting Mrs. Clinton said that she has the moral fiber and intelligence to take the country forward. The results surprised us. Based on the results, we assume most Villagers feel the same way.

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[sparky]

::) You've got to be kidding me!!!!!!

[happydays]

God help us all if she makes it. I can't imagine her dealing with the leaders in the Middle East, Iran, and the Terrorists. Her husband couldn't do it, so what makes her think she could. It would be like having Bill in office again. Ouch....

[jstwatchng]

Those 90 something people interviewed in town must have been in Katie Belles and had one to many cocktails!

We are up the creek with a broken oar and a hole in the canoe if she gets elected!

God Bless the USA >:(

[Shafer5746]

Please don't assume that most villagers feel the same way. An interesting book to read for all Hillary supporters. Dossier on Hillary Clinton by Amanda Carpenter. I hestitate to post this message as I think talking politics is a subject that can bring on arguments. We all will have to educate ourselves and make our own decision based on how we interpret the information we are given.

Sharon

[funnygirl]

:joke:What a sick joke. She and Lady Speaker of the House should go to Iran and talk nice to those poor misunderstood terrorists. Hopefully they would never come back.

[JohnZ]

There's only one person I'd vote for to be President. Colin Powell. You can have the rest on the list....and Hillary is on the bottom of the list. If that shrew gets elected, we'll truly be up the creek and Bill will be selling autographed paddles on his speaking tour circuit.

[purple_worm]

Hillary...............................Moral Fiber.................................That's a HUGE oxymoron.

[Lil Dancer]

We're from New York State, and the people here love her. She's done a wonderful job. Let's face it, anyone would be an improvement over the nincompoop that's in the white house now.

[tonycirocco]

I agree with Lil Dancer.
Tony

[JohnZ]

Hillary moved to New York ONLY to run for the seat vacated by Daniel Patrick Moynihan who, by the way, was a TRUE New Yorker and her creditials and good works pale in comparison. She ran for office ONLY to advance her own personal political position. If you believe that she has the interest of New Yorkers at heart, you're kidding yourself. If she did have their interest at heart, she would continue her service in the State long enough to do good for the people just as Daniel Patrick did. As a native New Yorker myself, I was astonished that she was elected, but given her opponent at the time, I could understand how this came to be. She isn't as smart as she and the media make her out to be and there are numerous examples of her excerising bad judgement. Example: when first lady, she was assigned the task of revamping our health care system and she adamantly insisted on "closed door" sessions and thought she could actually get away with such folly. This is an example of an "in your face" wielding of power. Example: she is STILL married to a proven philandering cad. Her history indicates strong socialist tendencies (can you say "nanny state") and she vacillates her position on issues depending on the outcome of "strawman" poles rather adhering to deeply held personal principles. I'm reminded of a Groucho Marx phrase where he said ".....and sir those are my principles.....and if you don't like 'em.....well, I have others". This trait is unbecoming of a LEADER........we do not have this now in G.W. Bush and we will not have it if Hillary gets elected. Let's not forget about Vince Foster's "suicide"....and Hillary's control (read cover-up) of that mess....her fingerprints were all over it. Her husband lied to a grand jury, Whitewater......gawd...it goes on ad nauseam. The past of the Clinton's is rife with unsavory stuff. Ask yourself this question, if she was not married to Bill Clinton, could she have achieved on her own, the stature that she now enjoys?

[jjdees]

Well stated.

[Lil Dancer]

;DIt makes me laugh that people blame Hillary for everything from global warming to Vince Foster's suicide. Its sad, really, that men especially are so put off by a powerful woman. If you happened to read her autobiography, which I'm sure you didn't because your mind is obviously closed, you'd see she has spent her life in service to her country in one form or another. Taking a senate seat in NY or any other state, is just a continuation of her public service persona. I personally don't care if she isn't "originally" from NY, as long as she does a good job, which for us upstate NYer's , she has. As far as her being married to a philanderer, who cares? I didn't vote for him because he's true blue to his wife; I voted for him because I thought he'd be the best person for the job. IMHO he was the best president we've had in a long time. I know the economy was in a lot better shape than it is now. As far as our country's position in the international scheme of things, our reputation has certainly gone downhill with Bush and his antics. It will be an uphill battle for the next president no matter who she or he turns out to be.

[orfone]

You really have to be joking. Go to www.dickmorris.com/blog/?p=94 and p=100 for a true analysis.

Orf-One

[ladykathleen]

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/Collapse/index.html

Go this website. Why Bush has not been impeached and sentenced to the rest of his life behind bars and loss of his pension is the scariest idea of all. Hillary you bet.

[jjdees]

You are absolutely nuts. Sounds like you believe George blew up the trade towers to take care of his rich buddies. Slip a few bucks to Haliburton, Enron, et al. Drink some more kool aid.

[JohnZ]

Lil Dancer: I doesn't matter to me one iota that Hillary is a powerful woman. If Condi Rice were running against Hillary, I'd be voting for Condi before I'd vote for most men on both of the major tickets. I mentioned this to my wife WAY before Hillary announced that she was running. Heck, I'd even vote for Geraldine Ferraro if she were running against Hillary. I have read a lot on Hillary as well as others running for the high office....views from both sides of the aisle and views from those that know the woman very very well such as Dick Morris as Orfone mentions. And it was very presumtuous of you to say that I'm not informed on this particular subject. I'm an eclectic sort and I read and evaluate all views pro and con to form my own opinion. Honest debate is beneficial only when the discussion is based on prima facie preponderance of fact. Attacking the credibility of the holder of an opinion is and always will be bad form. It inevitably leads to "name calling" and labeling. Closed mind? Hardly.

[Lil Dancer]

Let's when a post comes out with something so unfounded and "off the wall" as Hillary being involved in Vince Foster's suicide, a person should expect some comments about their credibility (or lack of.)

[JohnZ]

What's so "off-the-wall"? I'm making my assessment by what has been reported. It has nothing to do with my personal credibility. Zogby polls show that 70% of Americans have not accepted the "official" version of the event. All of the country's major reputable newspapers didn't by the story either and still don't. You might try researching and reading on the subject with an "open mind".

Here's an intersting synopsis of the facts. Click on the link if you care to learn.

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/2/8/155138

[Lil Dancer]

Its hillarious (pun intended) that you would actually quote newsmax.com as some sort of legitmate news source .. NOT... In fact Mediamatters has this to say about Newsmax: NewsMax is a conservative website with a history of publishing attacks on Democrats and providing fawning coverage of Republicans and conservatives. Christopher Ruddy, founder and editor of NewsMax and president and CEO of its corporate parent, NewsMax Media Inc., has written or edited books attacking Bill and Hillary Clinton, including The Strange Death of Vincent Foster: An Investigation (Simon & Schuster, 1997), which even right-wing pundit Ann Coulter dismissed as a "conservative hoax book" debunked by conservatives; Ruddy has used NewsMax resources to assist right-wing smear campaigns against the Clintons. Ruddy has extensive ties to Richard Mellon Scaife, the right-wing Pittsburgh financier who funded the 1990s dirt-digging operation against the Clintons known as the Arkansas Project. Scaife is an investor and the third-largest stockholder of NewsMax; before starting NewsMax, Ruddy was a reporter for the Scaife-owned Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

[JohnZ]

I didn't "quote" anything. I stated that it was an interesting synopsis of facts. What's a legitimate news source today anyway?

[darbyduff]

:cop:

Geeeeez guys.........We have alot of time between now and the election.....can't we all get along! ;D

But even I can't help but put my two "Lincoln penny's" in.........I am a "Yellow Dog Democrat". At this time, I think I would like to see a Edwards-Bama ticket. I'd hate to lose by default simply because the country as a whole is not really ready for a woman (no matter who she is)

Reply.............. but play nice ;D

[saratogaman]

Two families have a 20-year lock on the White House. Does anyone really want to make it 24 or 28 years?
Lord deliver us from these incompetent, self-serving, lying, ego-driven clowns and their relatives!

[orfone]

Boy!!! The night of this poll at Spanish Springs, the booze must have been extra potent and flowing freely along with another substance that I will not name.

[grammiebb]

It is much too soon to decide who I will vote for. However, I get upset to hear about Bill Clinton's lies to the American people when Bush's lies (wmd"s?????) has brought back too many body bags.

[hotrod]

The problem is that the good Lord didn't see fit to always put oil and gas resources where there are democratic governments.

So, you see, IT IS ALL GOD's FAULT.

I guess Cheney decided that since God messed up by not putting the oil and gas where Cheney wanted it, he (read Halliburton), Dubya and the rest of the crew would change the world.

Well, I'm sure in Cheney's mind, since God made such a huge blunder in putting so much oil under Iraq (which begs the question, why did he so much oil under Pennsylvania and Texas?) he did his penance by seeing to it that Cheney became vice president of a rich and powerful country.

So, obviously, God made his atonement.

This situation has the side benefit of making a very rich company called Hallibirton even richer. Need I mention the BILLIONS (yes that�s billions) that Dicky-Do�s company is reaping in our ill-fated Iraqi rebuilding efforts. A company now based in Dubai, >>>NOT<<< the United States of American. Must be something wrong with the oversight they get here in the good old USofA. Yes, our hard earned tax dollars are actually rebuilding a county that we have single-handedly succeeded in nearly destroying.
A country that never asked us to invade them.
A country that had NO, I repeat, NO WMD�s.
A country in which we now need approval of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq BEFORE we attempt to make their country safe. A quote from the July 1, 2007 Boston Globe; "The Iraqi government totally rejects US military operations . . . conducted without prior approval from the Iraqi military command," Maliki said in a statement� This from a government that can�t even hold session for fear of being blow to bits by the numerous warring factions within their own borders.

One can only hop God has a special place reserved for Mr. Cheney, Dubya, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Connie Rice and the rest of the Boob-Crew. They�re certainly going to need all of God�s assistance when it�s their turn to meet their maker.

I think I can safely predict that George W. Bush will go down in history as one of the most inept, ill-advised, poorly spoken, undiplomatic, and disasterous presidents of modern times. I wait patiently for him to depart Washington and spend his waning years building his library and let a real leader take over the mess he's left and solve the problems important to Americans, not Iraqi's. If Hillary is the one then so be it.

[darbyduff]

:agree:

This is me standing and applauding HotRod! Well said!

Thank god I can sleep better out here in Colorado...The only WMD we have out here is Senator Tanncrado's mouth. (We're real sorry about him, Miami!!!!)

[PJ]

:agree:
Hotrod you are so correct.
And in his library?? Maybe the book about the pet goat he kept reading to the school kids while 9/11 happened...

[JohnZ]

This thread should be renamed to "bash Bush".

[noleguy]

My vote is yet to be determined, however I can say it will be for anyone but Hillary!!

[hotrod]

Bash BUSH?

Why not!!!

He really does have a bull�s-eye on his rear.- BUT - He's such an easy target.

Now we have the Scooter Scooting away from justice fiasco.
Scooter was tried, found guilty, and sentenced in compliance with federal sentencing guidelines - YET - Dubya suddenly woke up in Kennebunkport and decided that the laws don't apply to him or his cronies. Quite frankly, Dubya isn't capable of an original thought like this without Dicky Doo pulling the strings. Dubya, again, wasn't thinking as that would be a stretch for him (can you say Alfred E. Newman).

Dicky Doo made this call - MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT!!!! Anyone who thinks differently obviously has their head up their rear-end. Dubya isn't intelligent enough to even understand the ramifications of this decision. Dick is calling the shots and, if anyone out there has even the least bit of interest, this is truly scary. When will this madness end??

Dubya - PLEASE - GO BUILD YOUR LIBRARY OF COLORING BOOKS AND BOOKS WITH SINGLE SILABIC WORDS AND LET A SANE LEADER FIX THE MESS YOU (AND YOUR CREW) HAVE LEFT US.

BE IT HILLARY, A REPUBLICAN, A DEMOCRAT, OR AN INDEPENDENT WE SIMPLY MUST END THIS LUNACY.

The constitution demands this???

[jjdees]

The far left wingers who seem to love to spew their rubbish on this site ought to take their rubbish elsewhere. Scooter Libby is an issue? What about Sandy Berger? He steals and destroys classified documents from the national archives to cover up Clinton's lack of action on Bin Laden and he gets a slap on the wrist. Where was your outrage about that? What about Mark Rich? What about Clinton's staff trashing the Whitehouse when they left? Where was your outrage about that? No WMDs??? How the do you know that hotrod???? Did the NY Times tell you that or was it Sean Penn or maybe Streisand? There was plenty of time to send them to Syria or God knows where. Every intelligence group in the free world agreed they existed. Where are your facts (facts are not news print) about these billions Halliburton is making in Iraq? Please tell us. I keep hearing from the left about all the money that Cheney and Bush's friends are making in Iraq. Where are the facts? The left wing media in this country have been on a campaign since before Bush was inaugurated to undermine and in some cases destroy the administration, and to accomplish the same objective, they're undermining the war effort.. Where do you think the cowboy designation came from that the foreign media attached to Bush?? It came from our media before he was sworn in. The NY Times publishes information on a secret program to undermine the financial pipeline for the terrorists. Whose side are they on? If the left wingers like the senile Murtha, the incompetent Pelosi, and the enormously popular Harry Reid (Public approval rating of 14%) and their brethren in congress and the god awful left wing media would have gotten behind the president in the war, maybe it could have been a lot further ahead or maybe over with by now. Pelosi goes over to Syria and plays kissy face with them. They have to be laughing themselves silly. When we hear Al-Sadr saying the same garbage our media is, does it enter your mind that they are emboldening the enemy?? If we had today's media and the current far left liberals during WWII, we'd either be dead or speaking Japanese or German depending on which side of the country we live in. We have Edwards calling the war on terror a bumper strip war. Tell that to the Brits. By the way, where is all that oil Cheney is pulling out of Iraq? Maybe he's selling it to China, you think? Or maybe storing it at the ranch for future profits. Oh, excuse me I just said a dirty word, profit. Shucks, I said it again. Now the left is trying to shut down talk radio. Nude clubs are protected by the first amendment but talk radio is not? The ACLU sues when a school uses the words Merry Christmas. Where are they now on the Michigan University providing footbaths for the muslims so they can prepare for prayer? I thought prayer in public schools and universities was public enemy number one to the ACLU. I guess that's only for Christians. Where is the left leading this country? Looks like down the tubes.

[JohnZ]

Ok...let's simmer-down folks. My comment suggesting to rename this discussion thread to "bash Bush" stems from the propensity of some posters to stray from the topic i.e Hillary-winnner of an impromptu poll at Spanish Springs.

[Lil Dancer]

Way to go, Hotrod. I'm totally in agreement. :agree:

[Frangyomory]

I'll presume this was a heavy drinking crowd that voted!!!! Only a fool would want that woman as president. Her husband was useless and she is even more useless. Where is her wonderful health plan...she was going to solve it all wasn't she? Yes, all we need is Billary in the White House. God help us. She and Billy boy LOATHE the military and would make life hell for the wonderful and brave men and women who serve our country! Down with both Clintons...who by the way, likely belong in jail anyway!!! Whitewater ring a bell????

[gilly]

:joke:YOU HAVE GOTTO BE KIDDING IM FROM MASSACHUTTES AND HILLARY WENT TO WELLSLEY WOMENS COLLEDGE ( MEN NOT ALLOWED ) HER THESIS WAS ON HOW CHILDERN SHOULD BE ABLE TO DIVORCE THERE PARENTS AND YOU WANT THIS WOMEN AS YOUR PRESIDENT. I AGREE WITH ONE WRITER THAT TO MANY PEOPLE AT KATIE BELLE'S AT HAPPY HOUR

[PruittCanDoIt]

Most Villagers do not think this way. They are certainly much smarter than that.

Will Pruitt

[darbyduff]

I'm curious, does anyone know what the ratio of Republicans to Democrates there is in the Villages? :dontknow:.

Mr Pruitt, do you know the demographics since you are running in this area.

[PruittCanDoIt]

Darbyduff, In ref. to your question I can only refer to the district as a whole which is pretty close to the numbers in the Villages. It stands at about 60/40 Republican. Hope that answered it. Thanks

Will
willpruitt.com

[darbyduff]

Thanks for the fast response.

[cromlich]

All I have to say is George Bush is our president. He has taken more bashing and criticism then any president ever. I don't always agree with him but I really do feel he is the only president we have and I respect him. One of the problems with this country is the lack of respect for our leader. How do you feel this comes across to our enemies at a time of war?

I do not know who I will vote for in the next election but it most certainly will not be Hillary. My household always votes with the candidate who will respect our morales and be a man/woman of God. Where there is smoke there is fire and the Clinton's certainly have some smoke.

It's time that Congress starts doing their job and stop all this Bush bashing and get something done. We pay them huge salaries to do nothing but hurt our reputation with other countries by being so disrespectful. I think a good debate is fine but when it comes to bashing the leader of our country no matter who it is, it needs to stop.

We look like fools to our enemies and we only fuel their hate for us which is part of why we see so many servicemen and women losing their lives. I want a president who is not afraid of criticism, who wants to protect us at any cost including his own political reputation. I still have not seen anything of any substance to cause anyone to be so critical of George Bush. Everyone thought Sadam Hussein had WMD's. Everyone, including Hillary.

Has everyone forgotton 911? Let's get back to getting something done in Congress (the Senate and the House) and stop the childish finger pointing and name calling. Four fingers are always pointing back when a finger is pointed. I want our countries representatives to start doing their jobs and stop fighting like children and getting nothing accomplished when we need so much.

I disagree totally with George Bush on the Immigration Policy but I refuse to slam him because he is our president. I'll continue to voice why I disagree and hopefully someone will listen but regardless, he is my president.

Our country is suffering so much from Activists and Far Left Wing activists who have been responsible for taking prayer out of schools, for Porn, for disrespect for why this country was founded in the 1st place, for Professors so Left in our Colleges that it's scarry. We have got to start thinking about our children and our grandchildren and what all of this rederick is doing to them. We're all so selfish with our own needs that we forget what is important for the future. Our servicemen/women are hearing the awful bitter bashing that is being done over here. They are fighting for us and they need to trust they are doing the right thing. Say anything you want after they are back home but while we are at war.....................STOP IT! I get tired of hearing we support our troops but....................................... How do you think they feel knowing some over here disrespect their commander in chief?

I vote with my heart and always look at who Jesus would probably vote for if He were here. I don't think the Clinton's would be on His list. Enough said.

[ditzyfitzy]

WOW! I didn't think that there were many progressive people living at The Villages. This news makes me even more excited about checking out The Villages as a place for me to "land"! LIKE MINDED PEOPLE! Amazing!
Thanks for sharing...
Lynn

Whoops--I should have read through the rest of the posts before I posted this. Just like I thought--MANY ignorant right wingers....THAT, will be the downside of living at The Villages!

[PruittCanDoIt]

Cromlich,

The bashing has gotten out of hand and it does show a disrespect for the office. I will also tell you that the Reagan haters were the same way in the early 80's. He was polling in the low 30's at one time and look at his legacy. Keep the faith. God Bless.

Will Pruitt
willpruitt.com

[NANCY]

GO Hillary - It takes a woman to straighten out most things so why not our Country after the "war mongers" have finished with it.

[cromlich]

Thank you, Will. I just wish our representatives would get back to doing their job. I love debate but when we get called ignorant for our opinions I take notice. That is one reason I stay mostly to the right. The name calling on the other side is cruel, un-called-for, and just plain vicious. There is no call for this. The only thing I'm hoping you take with you is to take the message to our leaders that we want to see results where results are needed. If they spent half the time working on the country's problems that they spend on tv interviews and bush bashing they might accomplish a great deal.
Thank you. Good luck and God Bless.

[cromlich]

Elephants never forget, so let's remind Hillary Clinton of her past positions on Iraq and cure her memory loss.

On October 11, 2002, she cast her vote supporting the President's resolution to go to war. She said her vote was cast with the "conviction" that the war authorization "best serves the security of our nation."

Hillary also said that she rejected setting a timetable to withdraw from Iraq. Her exact words:

"I reject a rigid timetable that the terrorists can exploit, and I reject an open timetable that has no ending attached to it." (Associated Press, 12/3/05)



But in recent months and days, Hillary has voted against providing funds to support our troops and their safety. The legislation she voted against provided $1.6 billion for body armor, $2.4 billion to help combat IEDs, and $3 billion for mine resistant vehicles.

And now she is saying that "this is not our fight." She wants to withdraw.

[Villages Kahuna]

Everyone has a right to their opinion. I respect the fact that you took the time to state yours.

But I have a couple of comments in response...

It seems to me that there are about as many far right wing activists as there are far left wing activists. And they refuse to talk with one another. That seems to be a major cause of our screwed up Congress.

The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively is spelled rhetoric, not "rederick".

I think you probably have it right in not capitalizing the title of the primary elected official in our republic. It probably should be "president Bush". He is such an inept idealogue that he probably shouldn't be honored with the correct spelling of his office: President.

[cromlich]

Gee, my point is made. Name calling and down right cruelty. Yes, I misspelled rhetoric, I guess I am ignorant in your eyes. I'm sure you have never made mistakes. It was a mistake for me to try and kindly point out how things are being viewed by some of us who really just look at the candidate. Not the party.

There was no disrespect on my part to OUR president. I don't always agree with him but I don't think he deserves that.

Your snide remarks don't even deserve a response and it was a mistake for me to come on board and think that my thoughts would be respected. I'm done posting here. It's a shame that cruelty is part of some people's nature. I hope I am never that cruel to anyone.

Yes, there are fanatics on both sides. I think fanaticism on either side is wrong. Unfortunately you have convinced me that the LEFT is way out of line and all they know is hatred and criticism. I see it everytime a debate is started. I'm done with this board and the left. DONE! The only thing the Left wants to hear is their side. After that they spew hate to someone who disagrees and that is really the only argument they have.

I don't think I ever made one cruel remark to anyone here. Shame on you. You did what you set out to do and you've hit a nerve but the one thing you most certainly succeeded in was convince me that I'm swaying to the correct side. The biggest problem I see with the right is they don't stand up to the fanatics on the LEFT.

Enjoy your board. I'm ashamed to have been part of it for a very short time. I respected your opinion but mine counts for something, too.

Don't sit there and tell me you respect my opinion and then bash me like you just did. You could have pointed out your 1st point and left the rest unsaid. Kindness goes a long way. You're entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to hurt someone's feelings because they disagree with you. Have a nice day.

[ditzyfitzy]

Sorry that you left the boards...
I DO have to disagree with your "take" on where the HATE MONGERING comes from.
It starts with the likes of people such as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reily, Ann Coulter, etc...saying OUTRAGEOUS things in the media. They spew hatred.
The rest of us pick it up in order to preserve some sense of balance between what THEY are saying and what is truth.
There is no one on the left, not even Michael Moore, who is spewing this kind of hatred to millions who listen on the radio and TV---FIVE DAYS A WEEK AS A STEADY DIET!

I think that makes those of us who DO lean left-- feel a knee-jerk reaction when someone is repeating the hatred from the Limbaugh's and Coulters of the world....there is no one else out there giving the other side as a STEADY DIET....

[cromlich]

I wasn't repeating anything from the Limbaugh's or the Coulter's, let alone hatred. I personally think Ann Coulter is far too right. I totally disagree with her tactics. There is something wrong with all radicals. What I resent are the personal attacks , like being called ignorant or having a mistake pointed out in the way it was done. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm a very good person and no one on your side has the right to offend me like it was done. If you have a beef with Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh voice it to them. Not me or at me.

There is no excuses for cruelty or name calling. We're all adults and no one should blame it on anyone else. We need to take responsibility for our own behavior. Quite frankly, you don't help your cause, at all, by being rude to someone else.

I feel sorry for those who think that being rude is ok because they don't agree with them. I have not been rude to anyone on this board. I , however, will stand up for myself.

I was still on the net doing some work when your post came up. I really am done with this but had to respond. You are probably a nice person but demeaning someone else is not polite. I surround myself with good people who would never do that to anyone else for any reason. It's ok to state your views but not ok to be so insulting.

And give me a break, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, Michael Moore (since you mentioned him) and the Hollywood Left clan etc. etc. etc. all give the Left all their time. So don't tell me that you are frustrated because your side isn't given. It's all I hear. I've been hearing that argument lately and it doesn't hold water. It's just more rhetoric (did I spell it right?). I don't even listen to Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. I get my opinions by following the candidates themselves. Ann Coulter has been offensive to me, also, the few times I've heard her speak on issues. She goes to the other extreme. I can name a few on the other side myself but what is the point? This isn't a contest. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

We need to be civil with all other human beings. Isn't that what the left professes to want for everyone? I see just the opposite and many others do, too. They're just afraid to say anything because when you talk politics with someone who hasn't the same views, you get attacked. That is WRONG. That is HATE MONGERING. Maybe I will just sit back and watch this board.

I, however, am very disappointed at what I am seeing. I know that the majority of the people at TV would never treat someone else in this manner. They're probably just as disappointed as I am but are afraid to speak up.

[cromlich]

oh excuse me, I made another blunder...........................it should be.........."there are no excuses". Just thought I'd point it out myself before someone insults me again. I'm sure I'll make many more mistakes but at least I'm not out to hurt anyone.

[noleguy]

Has anyone noticed the new AP poll that came out today. The current congress now has an approval rating LESS than the Republican congress had before the 2006 elections.

Isn't it about time our congress start working on the nation's problems and quit the continuous talking about what they are going to do. Seems no matter the party affiliation neither is going to do anything. I helped to vote out the Republicans last year and now the Dems are performing even worse.

[cromlich]

noleguy,

You are exactly right. That's how I feel. Both parties need to wake up and realize they have a job to do. Their job is more than just fighting. We have so much that needs to be done and nothing is getting done. It's ridiculous.

[ditzyfitzy]

Unfortunately, the new Dems in the Congress have their hands tied in getting anything done there. The R's can still make sure that nothing is done--and George will veto anything that the Dem's try to do that it decent.

I know many are trying to say that it is the Dem's fault---but, when you only have a two or three vote majority--you STILL can't get anything done....because of the filibuster.

[noleguy]

But other than having some sort of vote on the Iraq situation every other day, what else have the Dems even tried to get thru congress????????

[Villages Kahuna]

...is necessarily correct. The Congress is an elected deliberative body. For the past 8-10 years both the House and Senate have done little except become more polarized. For a part of that time we had a Republican Congress and a Democratic President and now a Democratic Congress and a Republican President, so I'm not certain there's any conclusion to be reached other than the entire system is broken.

I suspect there are a lot of people who share a lot of the views I have. I have conservative views with regard to fiscal policy, but more liberal beliefs on social issues. And unlike many of those we've elected to Congress, I'd like to think I'm willing to be convinced there might be a better idea for the American people. A "centrist"? I guess that's what I am.

How will I vote next time? After having been badly disappointed in what candidates said compared to what they have done in recent years, I've adopted a new voting strategy for future national elections...

I will vote for the candidate that has absolutely the LEAST experience in Washington regardless of his/her party or campaign platform. Then I will NEVER vote for that candidate for re-election to a subsequent term.

If you want to describe that as "throw 'em all out and start over"...I guess that's what I'd favor.

The only candidate that might cause me to vary from my new self-adopted voting policy would be one who uneqivocally stated that he would propose and vote for a complete re-do of political campaign finances including a limit on the pre-election campaign period and a limit on campaign spending limited to that provided by the government.

If more people got off their unyielding support of single issues, political parties or special interests, I think we'd all be better off.

[peleke11]

One of the bills that passed the House is a bill to lower the interest rate for student loans. :) I hope that everyone in Congress can support this bill, even if a lot of Reps didn't vote for the House bill. The fact that certain banks were paying many college officers kick backs on student loans and this bill would open up the field for other banks to advertise to students on campus. Something the banks were not allowed to do before.

[susan172]

Hillary please. I understand that New York is happy with her. I wish she would just stay there.

[ditzyfitzy]

Ummmmmmmmmm....I THINK the Republicans have been WITHOUT A PLAN for the last 7 years.....and Bush is the one who lied to get us INTO THIS WAR!

Someday, they are going to impeach Presidents for important things--and NOT just for having oral sex in the White House. Don't know when....

[cromlich]

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath not filandering in the Whitehouse.

I honestly with all my heart do not believe that President Bush lied about WMD's. He may have been misinformed but just about the entire world (most all other countries) believe Sadam had WMD's. He set himself up when he refused the inspectors to do their jobs. That's really what started all this.



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I'm very proud of our country and our soldiers. They have given us the freedom we enjoy and they keep us safe. We should all find something positive to do for them regardless how we feel about the politics of it all.

[mcelheny]

I will vote for Hillary. TV is very Republican. (with the Sun paper and Fox news) but I listen to the BBC and read many newspapers(NY Post and NY Times). Many people are very upset with President Bush, myself being one. I don't think most people read enough to really know the truth, there is so much spin. :read:

[captain1202]

So, because George Bush has been a disappointment, we should instead elect an admitted socialist who is probably the single most dangerous politician on the scene today. Anyone doubting this should really look into Hillary's background as far back as her days at Wellesley.

Reading anything written BY or FOR the Clintons doesn't count. While GB may have some issues, one should research the crazy backroom deals made by Bill that amount to a sellout of this country's military and industrial secrets to the Chinese who are more than happy to speed along the day when they will dominate the U.S. (if they don't already financially and industrially). HE should have been tried for treason not messing around with Monica.

Apparently the folks interviewed weren't at the Fred Thompson rally a few weeks ago. Now THERE is a straight talking breath of fresh air!

[captain1202]

An Additional thought....

Not excusing Bush, but.... he was dealt a VERY difficult hand. I would challenge anyone the make "The Right Decision".

Anyone doubting the threat to our country and way of life should do some serious research into the radical Islamist threat and what it means to our future generations. Wake up folks before it's too late.

Can you say "Neville Chamberlain"?

[tony]

I removed two posts from this thread. Political discussion is very invigorating, but it stops at personal attacks against other posters.

The two posts did not add to this discussion.

[Avista]

Hillary is not my first choice, but I could easily vote for her.

[SteveFromNY]

My mother told me to never discuss religion and politics as they lead to fighting. Reading this thread, I can only say she was right, and I'm glad you folks aren't all in the same room or there'd have been some blood spilled.

I will close the curtain on the voting booth and cast my vote on election day. I won't spend any time trying to convince others I am right! Or that they are wrong! As is easily seen above, opinions seem pretty strong around here..... ;D Now play nice!

[MMC24]

Hillary maybe but can you imagine Bill back in the White House with no one watching him????OMG

[LG]

;DIt makes me laugh that people blame Hillary for everything from global warming to Vince Foster's suicide. Its sad, really, that men especially are so put off by a powerful woman. If you happened to read her autobiography, which I'm sure you didn't because your mind is obviously closed, you'd see she has spent her life in service to her country in one form or another. Taking a senate seat in NY or any other state, is just a continuation of her public service persona. I personally don't care if she isn't "originally" from NY, as long as she does a good job, which for us upstate NYer's , she has. As far as her being married to a philanderer, who cares? I didn't vote for him because he's true blue to his wife; I voted for him because I thought he'd be the best person for the job. IMHO he was the best president we've had in a long time. I know the economy was in a lot better shape than it is now. As far as our country's position in the international scheme of things, our reputation has certainly gone downhill with Bush and his antics. It will be an uphill battle for the next president no matter who she or he turns out to be.


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[Avista]

"Apparently the folks interviewed weren't at the Fred Thompson rally a few weeks ago"

I was there and very disappointed. A week later went to the Mik Romney Rally. What a difference. Thompson's was very poorly run. He was speaking practically from the door of his bus, instead of going to the Gazebo where people could have seen him. I didn't get a good impression. I thought Romney did a good job with his rally.

[Avista]

LG and Lil Dancer, Well said! :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree: :agree:

[captain1202]

Romney vs. Thompson....

I could support either one. Being from NH I have been a Romney watcher from "afar". He is an accomplished manager and businessman and comes across very well.

I think either one would do well by us.

[ewstanley]

I saw this advertised on television.
Just in time for Christmas........ http://hillarynutcracker.com/

[ditzyfitzy]

She SURE IS A NUTCRACKER AND A BALL BREAKER----and ISN'T THAT AWESOME!!!! (and about time?)
GO, HILLARY, GO!!!!

Lynn

[Peggy D]

If anyone will be the first woman prez, it will be her.

Sorry, my vote is for my man Joe (Joe Biden from Delaware) He is a real Up Stand guy.
He tells it like it is, but he'll never win. If you notice on the debates, they put the most popular candidates in the middle--Joe is way out on the end.

I don't think Hillary will do well with middle East leaders. They don't respect women.
Who better than Joe when it comes to foreign policy? Think about it!!!

[Taltarzac]

If anyone will be the first woman prez, it will be her.

Sorry, my vote is for my man Joe (Joe Biden from Delaware) He is a real Up Stand guy.
He tells it like it is, but he'll never win. If you notice on the debates, they put the most popular candidates in the middle--Joe is way out on the end.

I don't think Hillary will do well with middle East leaders. They don't respect women.
Who better than Joe when it comes to foreign policy? Think about it!!!


This attitude towards women varies from country to country in the Middle East. Condi Rice seems to have the respect of some of these Middle Eastern leaders?

[ditzyfitzy]

I like Joe Biden, too--don't know why he isn't more popular. But, he has no chance of winning...
AND, it is about time we have a woman President. Hillary will do the job--and if you read anything about her history--she is AMAZING when it comes to diplomacy.....

I learned something new this week--did you know that women have only been allowed to vote for 88 years?

RUN HILLARY RUN!
Lynn

[Peggy D]

The Powers-To-Be don't like Joe because he tells it like it is. There's no "Yes, BUT"
or "No, BUT" with him. It's straight forward. They want a "Yes" man (or woman).

I disagree about respect for Rice. I think she is just tolerated while Bush is still in office.

To be honest, from a friend who knows Joe personally, He really want to be Sec of State.
He would be good there too. He feels the position has more power.

I would vote for Hillary. When Bill was in office they came up with an awesome health care plan. It was shot down because The Powers-To-Be didn't want her to have any say.
She was more or less put in her place and told to be the little "First Lady". If you remember, you didn't hear much from her after that. Being in health care, it was a good plan as far as coverage and the plan also included education for health care workers. Even back then, they recognized a future nursing crisis. Many fields are understaffed--less good care when you don't have the staff.

[duffertom]

I voted for Bush #1. I thought Clinton was a nonfactor. Was I ever wrong. I did not vote for Bush #2. Was I ever right. Do not count out the Clintons. This country is going in the wrong direction. We need change. I am an independent voter and I don't know if Hillary is the answer but-Why Not? for four years then kick her out.

[Taltarzac]

I voted for Bush #1. I thought Clinton was a nonfactor. Was I ever wrong. I did not vote for Bush #2. Was I ever right. Do not count out the Clintons. This country is going in the wrong direction. We need change. I am an independent voter and I don't know if Hillary is the answer but-Why Not? for four years then kick her out.


How about Barack Obama? Hillary is an extremely shrewd politician. Think we will just get more shrewd politicking on her part. Obama seems to have the right stuff as far as a different kind of leader is concerned. Sure liked his latest book more than hers. He actually seemed to try to address some of the weightier issues.