If you were a Zimmerman juror....

[jebartle]

Would the prosecution REPEATEDLY mentioning expletives, guide you to a second degree murder conviction? This seems so obvious to me, should never have made it to this circus!

[Taltarzac725]

Would the prosecution REPEATEDLY mentioning expletives, guide you to a second degree murder conviction? This seems so obvious to me, should never have made it to this circus!

Do not know what it is with the Prosecution in recent Florida very public cases such as Zimmerman's and Casey Anthony's. They do not seem to know how to court a jury.

I remember my law school days when I played a Computer Assisted Instructor program on evidence. You were supposedly to be very mindful of testing the jury's patience with too many objections and the like. Being the gentleman was very important. The defense is doing a much better job.

[Happinow]

In my opinion, both sides need to rest. It's time for the closing arguments. There is nothing anyone can say that would make me change my mind as a junior. Based on the evidence, I don't know how anyone could convict GZ of murder 2.

[senior citizen]

I agree. Time for closing arguments. I think the jury will acquit.

[rubicon]

My initial impression would be that I do not like the judge. I also do not like Atty West. I do believe O'Mara is doing an excellent job of presenting.
Florida Law places this case on a dichotomy based on one word "reasonable". If "reasonable" applies to George Zimmerman's belief that he was defending himself then as a juror I have to let him go. If not then he will be found guilty as charged.

There are some reasons for appeals which I believe should have been allowed.

On a personal level I have gotten gun shy about predictions given results from earlier celebrity trials. What is predictable is that if Zimmerman is acquitted be ready for marches throughout the country.

[manaboutown]

It seems Florida law is somewhat unique in this regard. Paul H. Robinson: Why the Zimmerman Verdict Will Be All or Nothing - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323899704578586053662296708.html)

Well, although I got the text when I used a search engine the link did not work for me when I tested it. Sorry. Just type in wsj Zimmerman trial and you should be able to access it if you are interested.

[mac9]

Of course there was no intent of malice. I call all of my friends a-holes!

[DaleMN]

Evidence, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with whether people think GZ is guilty or innocent. :doh:

[Patty55]

If I were on the jury or a resident of Sanford I would be making plans for a "vacation".

[rubicon]

From a personal perspective Zimmerman believing Martin was either scouting the neighborhood for future break-in or ready for a break-in wasn't about to lose Martin. Unfortunately Martin reverse roles and became the aggressor and in doing so Zimmerman found he bit more off than he could chew. Left to defend himself well.............

Does anyone really know what was in Zimmerman's heart? Based on what I hear and see as evidence it favors Zimmerman's account.

I also believe the courts should stop televising these cases.

[Monkei]

I forsee a locked jury, ultimately the prosecution will not seek another trial. Zimmerman will then be tried in civil court where the burden of proof is much less.

[gomoho]

I forsee a locked jury, ultimately the prosecution will not seek another trial. Zimmerman will then be tried in civil court where the burden of proof is much less.

With Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson raising funds to pay the attorney.

[Patty55]

I forsee a locked jury, ultimately the prosecution will not seek another trial. Zimmerman will then be tried in civil court where the burden of proof is much less.

Based on what?

[kittygilchrist]

I forsee a locked jury, ultimately the prosecution will not seek another trial. Zimmerman will then be tried in civil court where the burden of proof is much less.

the topic is if you were a juror...but I'm wondering if YOU were, how would you answer the question...

[JP]

I would vote NOT GUILTY

[tucson]

My vote, not guilty!

[NJblue]

I presume the standard is that the jury has to believe without a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was NOT acting in self defense. After watching the trial, I would say that beyond reasonable doubt he WAS acting in self defense. I also believe that should the jurors vote on emotion rather than fact and vote some sort of guilty verdict, that the verdict will be overturned on appeal.

[buggyone]

I actually do not know the answer here for sure, but when a person is convicted of a felony and their lawyer files an appeal, doesn't the convicted person go to prison until the appeal is heard and that usually takes a couple of years? I don't think the convicted person is allowed to be free on bond until the appeal is heard.

As for the jury hearing Zimmerman describe on the phone the types of people that always get away with it - I have my opinion that he is not a decent guy - but rather a bully with a built up ego and nothing physical to back it up - so he packs a gun wherever he goes.

Guilty!

[AJ32162]

...I have my opinion that he is not a decent guy - but rather a bully with a built up ego and nothing physical to back it up - so he packs a gun wherever he goes.

Guilty!

I don't think that makes him a murder. I guess my understanding of "beyond a reasonable doubt' differs from yours.

Not Guilty!

[joe19bulla50]

1. This case should have never gone to trial and probably would not have if it wasn't for the media.
2. These types of cases should not be televised. It allows the zealots from both sides to be used by the media to breed more trouble.
3. This case was about two knuckleheads getting together and just allowed things to go bad.
4. The president should have never put his two cents into this.
5. The money Florida has wasted on this could have been spent on much better things.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I actually do not know the answer here for sure, but when a person is convicted of a felony and their lawyer files an appeal, doesn't the convicted person go to prison until the appeal is heard and that usually takes a couple of years? I don't think the convicted person is allowed to be free on bond until the appeal is heard.

As for the jury hearing Zimmerman describe on the phone the types of people that always get away with it - I have my opinion that he is not a decent guy - but rather a bully with a built up ego and nothing physical to back it up - so he packs a gun wherever he goes.

Guilty!

What you say may be true. He may not be a decent guy and might have some off the wall opinions, but that is no reason to find him guilty. The issue is simply was he defending himself when he shot Martin or not.

[NJblue]

I actually do not know the answer here for sure, but when a person is convicted of a felony and their lawyer files an appeal, doesn't the convicted person go to prison until the appeal is heard and that usually takes a couple of years? I don't think the convicted person is allowed to be free on bond until the appeal is heard.

As for the jury hearing Zimmerman describe on the phone the types of people that always get away with it - I have my opinion that he is not a decent guy - but rather a bully with a built up ego and nothing physical to back it up - so he packs a gun wherever he goes.

Guilty!

I haven't seen anything from the trial to make me think he is not a decent guy. In fact, everyone who knows him, both black and white, say he's a very nice guy. I think it was his "nice guy" that did him in - he was so concerned about what was becoming of his neighborhood that he did something a bit foolish by getting out of the car, thinking that if he can keep track of where Martin was, he would help the police find him.

However, the notion that he "chased Martin down" is completely foolish and unsupported by any testimony. The last he saw Martin he was going down the "T". Yet, the confrontation began AT the "T" - so clearly he did not pursue him down the "T".

Now, on the other hand, Martin was likely not so nice. I found it very interesting that the judge wouldn't allow text messages from his phone which talked about his fighting to be put in evidence. And, no, I don't think just because someone is "not nice" that they desreved to die. However, his attack on Zimmerman left Zimmerman with no choice.

[redwitch]

Going back to the original question, the use of language would be irrelevant to me. I think the final verdict will be determined by the jury instructions. I don't know Florida law enough to determine what actions/thoughts are needed to claim self-defense. As a juror, I would wonder why stand your ground is not being used as a defense since it seems that this law has a lesser burden of proof (even though I would know that I'm not to consider things not put into evidence, but the stand your ground law has been mentioned throughout the trial). I'd be wondering what it is that Zimmerman is hiding -- was there justification for Martin's action?

All in all, I'm very grateful that I'm not on this jury. I think that given the basic law of self-defense (and I'm assuming for the time being that Florida follows the basic elements) I'd have to find Zimmerman not guilty but I wouldn't be happy about it. I do believe that Zimmerman got the exact outcome he wanted. He did follow Martin just enough to provoke Martin to react, which gave Zimmerman an excuse to pull out his gun and use it. At the time, he thought he was protecting his neighborhood from another bad guy who would just get away whatever. Instead, he shot a kid who had gone to the store and was returning home -- that's the only thing he didn't expect (even though Martin wasn't exactly a model kid, so I'm sure Zimmerman feels some justification for the final outcome).

I don't like either of these characters but one of them might have grown up to become an upstanding citizen but, for now, there's little question that he was a punk by our definitions. The other one was a cop wannabe who got to do what few police officers ever do except in practice -- fire his gun to stop a "bad guy."

[Lark7]

My speculation, and it is purely that, is Zimmerman will be convicted of manslaughter - not second degree murder. Yes, the judge's instructions to the jury will be pivotal.

[Shirleevee]

My speculation, and it is purely that, is Zimmerman will be convicted of manslaughter - not second degree murder. Yes, the judge's instructions to the jury will be pivotal.


Manslaughter!

[manaboutown]

It is clearly self defense. Zimmerman should sue the race baiters and the mainstream media for libel, slander, violating his civil rights and ruining his life.

[buggyone]

It is clearly self defense. Zimmerman should sue the race baiters and the mainstream media for libel, slander, violating his civil rights and ruining his life.

The person getting sued will be Zimmerman. Don't forget that OJ had a huge civil suit on him after being found not guilty of killing his wife and waiter.

Of course, there was no proof who killed them. Here we all know who the killer was! Zimmerman!

[kbace6]

Not guilty.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The person getting sued will be Zimmerman. Don't forget that OJ had a huge civil suit on him after being found not guilty of killing his wife and waiter.

Of course, there was no proof who killed them. Here we all know who the killer was! Zimmerman!

As strange as it may sound, killing someone is not necessarily a crime and not necessarily grounds for a successful civil suit. Just because you kill someone it's not necessarily the fact that you took away his civil rights.

The OJ case was a bit different. I think that most reasonable people feel that the evidence against OJ was overwhelming and that the jury was biased. OJ could not be claiming self defense or any other type of justified homicide. If OJ had admitted killing his victims, it would have been a case of first degree murder.

[buggyone]

I haven't seen anything from the trial to make me think he is not a decent guy. In fact, everyone who knows him, both black and white, say he's a very nice guy. I think it was his "nice guy" that did him in - he was so concerned about what was becoming of his neighborhood that he did something a bit foolish by getting out of the car, thinking that if he can keep track of where Martin was, he would help the police find him.


Now, on the other hand, Martin was likely not so nice. I found it very interesting that the judge wouldn't allow text messages from his phone which talked about his fighting to be put in evidence. And, no, I don't think just because someone is "not nice" that they desreved to die. However, his attack on Zimmerman left Zimmerman with no choice.

The character witnesses for Zimmerman would of course say he is a nice guy. Don't forget that one of his daily co-workers (a woman) said George typically referred to a lot of people on his job as a-holes and that was just part of his character. He was a wannabee cop that did not get accepted into the police academy because of poor credit.

One piece of evidence I don't get is that IF Martin was straddling Zimmerman and had his arms pinned, how did Zimmerman get his gun out? I also think the gun was on his right side but it looks to me like Zimmerman is taking all of his notes in court with his left hand.

[John_W]

.. One piece of evidence I don't get is that IF Martin was straddling Zimmerman and had his arms pinned, how did Zimmerman get his gun out? I also think the gun was on his right side but it looks to me like Zimmerman is taking all of his notes in court with his left hand.

I didn't see anything about his arms being pinned, his chest and body were pinned by the 158 pounds of 5'11" Martin. GZ's face was being pushed and his hands were probably occupied by trying to push TM hands off his face. He then probably remembered his weapon and moved his hands downward to his weapon, which TM could see and realized then that GZ was going for something. GZ might of been thinking of just pulling the weapon in an attempt to scare TM and to get him off. However, TM also moved his hands down toward the weapon and GZ was forced to fire. Whether GZ is lefthanded or right, you wear your weapon on the side you wish to draw.

[DougB]

One piece of evidence I don't get is that IF Martin was straddling Zimmerman and had his arms pinned, how did Zimmerman get his gun out? I also think the gun was on his right side but it looks to me like Zimmerman is taking all of his notes in court with his left hand.

I believe his Air Marshall friend testified that although Zimmerman is left handed, he used his right hand when firing his weapon.

[kittygilchrist]

I actually do not know the answer here for sure, but when a person is convicted of a felony and their lawyer files an appeal, doesn't the convicted person go to prison until the appeal is heard and that usually takes a couple of years? I don't think the convicted person is allowed to be free on bond until the appeal is heard.

As for the jury hearing Zimmerman describe on the phone the types of people that always get away with it - I have my opinion that he is not a decent guy - but rather a bully with a built up ego and nothing physical to back it up - so he packs a gun wherever he goes.

Guilty!

I've worked in institutions with insane offenders: ax murderers, tire iron murderers. I've owned properties where vagrants slept in the outside laundry room and hastily retreated leaving a copy of today's newspaper and a blanket. Not to mention violent drug addicts whose children I brought to shelter at midnight.

My door was kicked in by a 17 year old in my very nice neighborhood. Lucky for him and for me, he did not come into my house. I explained to his parents that his so-called prank behavior would have gotten him shot if he had entered my house.

I'd feel safer if George Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood...he has a clue and he packs.

[DougB]

I've worked in institutions with insane offenders: ax murderers, tire iron murderers. I've owned properties where vagrants slept in the outside laundry room and hastily retreated leaving a copy of today's newspaper and a blanket. Not to mention violent drug addicts whose children I brought to shelter at midnight.

My door was kicked in by a 17 year old in my very nice neighborhood. Lucky for him and for me, he did not come into my house. I explained to his parents that his so-called prank behavior would have gotten him shot if he had entered my house.

I'd feel safer if George Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood...he has a clue and he packs.


Much difference between a 17 year old kicking in your door and a 17 year old walking home from the store after buying skittles and an Arizona Tea. If Zimmerman is found not guilty, I don't want him moving to my neighborhood.

[Monkei]

I've worked in institutions with insane offenders: ax murderers, tire iron murderers. I've owned properties where vagrants slept in the outside laundry room and hastily retreated leaving a copy of today's newspaper and a blanket. Not to mention violent drug addicts whose children I brought to shelter at midnight.

My door was kicked in by a 17 year old in my very nice neighborhood. Lucky for him and for me, he did not come into my house. I explained to his parents that his so-called prank behavior would have gotten him shot if he had entered my house.

I'd feel safer if George Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood...he has a clue and he packs.

People with a clue don't get out of their car and follow someone who they fear. At least most of the people that I know with clue wouldn't.

[Monkei]

The person getting sued will be Zimmerman. Don't forget that OJ had a huge civil suit on him after being found not guilty of killing his wife and waiter.

Of course, there was no proof who killed them. Here we all know who the killer was! Zimmerman!

His life is pretty much over ... he will lose a big civil suit.

[Monkei]

1. This case should have never gone to trial and probably would not have if it wasn't for the media.
2. These types of cases should not be televised. It allows the zealots from both sides to be used by the media to breed more trouble.
3. This case was about two knuckleheads getting together and just allowed things to go bad.
4. The president should have never put his two cents into this.
5. The money Florida has wasted on this could have been spent on much better things.

Two knuckleheads. Finally I can agree 100 percent of a statement on this issue. GZ is a perfect example of what happens when you make assumptions that are wrong, TM should have just headed for his house and shut the door,

[AJ32162]

His life is pretty much over ... he will lose a big civil suit.

Winning a civil suit and collecting on that judgement are two different things. Ask the Goldman family how much they received from their judgement against O.J. Simpson...Zero!

[kittygilchrist]

Much difference between a 17 year old kicking in your door and a 17 year old walking home from the store after buying skittles and an Arizona Tea. If Zimmerman is found not guilty, I don't want him moving to my neighborhood.

respectfully to one of my fave posters, dougb,
the 17 year old who kicked my door in was out on a high school football player graduation prank session in my neighborhood. he was just walking by unarmed with buddies, having a good time, and got carried away. I had far less reason to assume I needed self defense than someone underneath an assailant. He got caught because they kept sauntering on down the street while I watched them from the garage. Apparently, they never thought they did anything really wrong.

[kittygilchrist]

People with a clue don't get out of their car and follow someone who they fear. At least most of the people that I know with clue wouldn't.

Chickens don't. I would have followed and reported.

[gomoho]

Chickens don't. I would have followed and reported.

Agreed - when you live in a neighborhood where there have been crimes burying your head in the sand won't help anything.

Still waiting for proof positive GZ was following Trayvon and an answer to my question if Trayvon was scared of the creepy ass cracker why didn't he run home and out of harms way???

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The character witnesses for Zimmerman would of course say he is a nice guy. Don't forget that one of his daily co-workers (a woman) said George typically referred to a lot of people on his job as a-holes and that was just part of his character. He was a wannabee cop that did not get accepted into the police academy because of poor credit.

One piece of evidence I don't get is that IF Martin was straddling Zimmerman and had his arms pinned, how did Zimmerman get his gun out? I also think the gun was on his right side but it looks to me like Zimmerman is taking all of his notes in court with his left hand.

I never heard anything about his arms being pinned. The side on which he carried his gun is irrelevant. My father was a police officer. He was right handed but always carried his gun on this left side with the handle pointed toward the front. It was easier to withdraw it from the holster when seated in the police cruiser.

[TraceyMooreRN]

First, NOT GUILTY would be my vote.

Second, Why follow this kid? Well, he called 911 and said there was suspicious activity (or to that nature). He is a want to be cop (remember) so--he wants to catch the bad guys (or whom he thought was a bad guy). So follows. Was he scared? Nope (gun) on right hip. Not sure why if he is left handed. Clearly self defense. Yep- bit off more than he can chew and got in a situation which left a child dead.

Third, a friend posted on my facebook. Young woman (white) killed for tip money by three (african american men) charged. Did you know that? Did you hear that in the news? Is there a march? Any key speakers on her behalf? Was she profiled?? See link:

Woman killed for tip money, 2 men charged, 1 at large - Post-Tribune (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/lake/12726271-418/2-held-in-fatal-schererville-shooting.html)

I just think this whole thing is sad. Sad someone (white/black or whatever race) lost his life. Sorry for the loss to family. Sorry for the man who shot a child and has to live with this the rest of his life. Sad it has turned a country into a racial issue when clearly- with the "hoodie"- did he even know what race "suspect" was when he started to follow him?

[DougB]

Chickens don't. I would have followed and reported.

Only chickens I see in this story is John Good and his neighbors who hid in their houses while someone screamed for help. I am sorry and I am no self proclaimed hero, but there is no way I would not go out and attempt to break up a fight of two people fighting 10-15 feet from my back door.

[kittygilchrist]

Only chickens I see in this story is John Good and his neighbors who hid in their houses while someone screamed for help. I am sorry and I am no self proclaimed hero, but there is no way I would not go out and attempt to break up a fight of two people fighting 10-15 feet from my back door.


I'm from Gainesville, not a place known for violence.
But re the scene you describe, my son went into his front yard, 30 feet from the door and broke up a fight on the street where the loser was critically in danger of being killed.
I am proud of him for following his gut but would have screamed at him to not get into it if I had been there.

[senior citizen]

First, NOT GUILTY would be my vote.

Second, Why follow this kid? Well, he called 911 and said there was suspicious activity (or to that nature). He is a want to be cop (remember) so--he wants to catch the bad guys (or whom he thought was a bad guy). So follows. Was he scared? Nope (gun) on right hip. Not sure why if he is left handed. Clearly self defense. Yep- bit off more than he can chew and got in a situation which left a child dead.

Third, a friend posted on my facebook. Young woman (white) killed for tip money by three (african american men) charged. Did you know that? Did you hear that in the news? Is there a march? Any key speakers on her behalf? Was she profiled?? See link:

Woman killed for tip money, 2 men charged, 1 at large - Post-Tribune (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/lake/12726271-418/2-held-in-fatal-schererville-shooting.html)

I just think this whole thing is sad. Sad someone (white/black or whatever race) lost his life. Sorry for the loss to family. Sorry for the man who shot a child and has to live with this the rest of his life. Sad it has turned a country into a racial issue when clearly- with the "hoodie"- did he even know what race "suspect" was when he started to follow him?

Very sad and very tragic. I read the news article in its entirety as basically it's exactly what my husband and I were saying to each other while watching the prosecutor "close"........that these things happen much more frequently to white folks and no one protests, marches in the streets or has special advocates for the white victims of black crimes. It's quite obvious. It shouldn't turn into a racial issue. The police didn't even want to arrest George in the beginning.............thanks for sharing the link.

[DougB]

Not only did the neighbors do nothing to stop the fight, but then one of them found it more important to take pictures of the scratches on the back of his head instead of administering care to a 17 year old teenager dying with his face in the grass. Thankful I don't live near any of them.

[senior citizen]

I've worked in institutions with insane offenders: ax murderers, tire iron murderers. I've owned properties where vagrants slept in the outside laundry room and hastily retreated leaving a copy of today's newspaper and a blanket. Not to mention violent drug addicts whose children I brought to shelter at midnight.

My door was kicked in by a 17 year old in my very nice neighborhood. Lucky for him and for me, he did not come into my house. I explained to his parents that his so-called prank behavior would have gotten him shot if he had entered my house.

I'd feel safer if George Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood...he has a clue and he packs.


Excellent post. It sounds like you speak from true experience......

[DougB]

First, NOT GUILTY would be my vote.

Second, Why follow this kid? Well, he called 911 and said there was suspicious activity (or to that nature). He is a want to be cop (remember) so--he wants to catch the bad guys (or whom he thought was a bad guy). So follows. Was he scared? Nope (gun) on right hip. Not sure why if he is left handed. Clearly self defense. Yep- bit off more than he can chew and got in a situation which left a child dead.

Third, a friend posted on my facebook. Young woman (white) killed for tip money by three (african american men) charged. Did you know that? Did you hear that in the news? Is there a march? Any key speakers on her behalf? Was she profiled?? See link:

Woman killed for tip money, 2 men charged, 1 at
large - Post-Tribune (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/lake/12726271-418/2-held-in-fatal-schererville-shooting.html)

I just think this whole thing is sad. Sad someone (white/black or whatever
race) lost his life. Sorry for the loss to family. Sorry for the man who shot a child and has to live with this the rest of his life. Sad it has turned a country into a racial issue when clearly- with the "hoodie"- did he even know what race
"suspect" was when he started to follow him?

Why would there be marches and key speakers? Arrests were made. Sorry, I do not see the correlation between the two stories.

[TraceyMooreRN]

Why would there be marches and key speakers? Arrests were made. Sorry, I do not see the correlation between the two stories.


Maybe because three black men killed an innocent white woman? I don't know--maybe that is just as important as one man defending himself?

[DougB]

Maybe because three black men killed an innocent white woman? I don't know--maybe that is just as important as one man defending himself?

Sure, it is every bit as important. But in the case of Zimmerman it is self defense and people are taking sides depending on who they think was the aggressor. This is not the case with Jacqueline Gardner. Maybe I am missing the point of the comparison.

[TraceyMooreRN]

Sure, it is every bit as important. But in the case of Zimmerman it is self defense and people are taking sides depending on who they think was the aggressor. This is not the case with Jacqueline Gardner. Maybe I am missing the point of the comparison.

I guess it is heartbreaking that there was a life lost in both cases. One seems to get more attention (for whatever reason) and the other--not many are aware of in this community. However- most everyone is aware of Zimmerman Case. Yet- the outcome was the same. A life was taken...both should have equal coverage in at least the news media. :read:

[graciegirl]

Sure, it is every bit as important. But in the case of Zimmerman it is self defense and people are taking sides depending on who they think was the aggressor. This is not the case with Jacqueline Gardner. Maybe I am missing the point of the comparison.

Good point.

This case is an entirely different issue.

[JP]

Crime is crime. White on black...the end of the world. Black on black...ho hum. Black on white....yawn? It makes me sick there are these differences and I just can't stand the race baiters like Sharpton and The "Reverend" Jackson. People are people, victims are victims.

[gomoho]

Not only did the neighbors do nothing to stop the fight, but then one of them found it more important to take pictures of the scratches on the back of his head instead of administering care to a 17 year old teenager dying with his face in the grass. Thankful I don't live near any of them.

Not sure that is fair - you weren't there and can't judge other people's actions - only one Higher Being has that right.

[Warren Kiefer]

I agree. Time for closing arguments. I think the jury will acquit.

There is simply no evidence to support a murder charge. No one saw anything !!! What does concern me is the media's obsession with an agenda nearly pushing for riots. In todays Daily Sun is and article " police ready for riots ". I recall attending some classes years ago where there was a presentation. If a person is trying to walk a tightrope and a crown below the walker chants over and over "you are going to fall", guess what, the walker will usually fall. So here we have the media in a sense saying over and over " there's going to be riots", I can assure you that is exactly what will happen if Zimmerman is acquited>>>>>

[BobnBev]

Just to set the record straight, TM was NOT a CHILD.
TM was a 17 y/o punk, who had a history of violence,
and numerous run in's with authorities.

Don't try to make him a good guy.barf:cus:

[JP]

This rioting stuff is ridiculous. I want to be part of a riot over court decisions I don't like where I feel there has been an injustice done to me. NOT! Maybe someday the people that riot will "learn to live with it" but I doubt it. Human emotions can be very fragile and volatile and hard to control.

[tucson]

Crime is crime. White on black...the end of the world. Black on black...ho hum. Black on white....yawn? It makes me sick there are these differences and I just can't stand the race baiters like Sharpton and The "Reverend" Jackson. People are people, victims are victims.

Amen! My thoughts exactly! It also makes me sick to think that people have not changed and thousands of killings keep going on & on & on !!!

[janmcn]

Just to set the record straight, TM was NOT a CHILD.
TM was a 17 y/o punk, who had a history of violence,
and numerous run in's with authorities.

Don't try to make him a good guy.barf:cus:


According to Florida state law, anyone under the age of 18 years old is considered a child.

[blueash]

Crime is crime. White on black...the end of the world. Black on black...ho hum. Black on white....yawn? It makes me sick there are these differences and I just can't stand the race baiters like Sharpton and The "Reverend" Jackson. People are people, victims are victims.

You seem to have an issue with Jesse Jackson's title of Reverend. You chose to place the term inside quotations as if it is phony and by implication he is lying by using the title. You have no difficulty giving him your own pejorative title. Please edify me about your expertise in the "correct" use of Reverend and why the Reverend Jackson does not deserve to have it used without derision by you. He has been an ordained Baptist minister since 1968.

[janmcn]

This rioting stuff is ridiculous. I want to be part of a riot over court decisions I don't like where I feel there has been an injustice done to me. NOT! Maybe someday the people that riot will "learn to live with it" but I doubt it. Human emotions can be very fragile and volatile and hard to control.


Not to worry about any rioting. Gov Rick Scott is fired up and ready to go against any rioting, real or perceived.

[graciegirl]

Boy Howdy.

I don't know who should be called Reverend, Most Reverend and/or Your
Excellency or Holy or any of that. In my very humble opinion some seem to deserve it more than others.

There are a lot of shysters wearing robes and a lot of good folks trying to figure it all out.

I know what I think. But I wouldn't try to change anyone's mind on that issue. It is too personal and way too close to our nerves.

[buggyone]

Not sure that is fair - you weren't there and can't judge other people's actions - only one Higher Being has that right.

I sure hope that neighbors in The Villages would have done something to attend to a victim laying on the grass before taking pictures of the other guy's bloody nose and scratches on his bald head.

Zimmerman sure is a despicable excuse for a human being. Overweight cop wannabee (who could not get accepted as a cop) bully who cannot back up his bravado without a gun.

[graciegirl]

Why do I get in these debates?

[AJ32162]

I sure hope that neighbors in The Villages would have done something to attend to a victim laying on the grass before taking pictures of the other guy's bloody nose and scratches on his bald head.

Zimmerman sure is a despicable excuse for a human being. Overweight cop wannabee (who could not get accepted as a cop) bully who cannot back up his bravado without a gun.

And what would you do, other than contaminate the crime scene? Also, we get it...you dislike George Zimmerman. There is probably no need to keep posting your negative feelings for him, over and over again.

[gomoho]

I sure hope that neighbors in The Villages would have done something to attend to a victim laying on the grass before taking pictures of the other guy's bloody nose and scratches on his bald head.

Zimmerman sure is a despicable excuse for a human being. Overweight cop wannabee (who could not get accepted as a cop) bully who cannot back up his bravado without a gun.

How do you know this - give me some proof - not speculation.

[gomoho]

You seem to have an issue with Jesse Jackson's title of Reverend. You chose to place the term inside quotations as if it is phony and by implication he is lying by using the title. You have no difficulty giving him your own pejorative title. Please edify me about your expertise in the "correct" use of Reverend and why the Reverend Jackson does not deserve to have it used without derision by you. He has been an ordained Baptist minister since 1968.

How about 'cause he loves to race bait???

[AJ32162]

How about 'cause he loves to race bait???

And it has been a very lucrative for him. He has a estimated net worth of $10 million. I wonder how much of that is from his preaching of the gospel?

[buggyone]

How do you know this - give me some proof - not speculation.

How do I know what? I said I hoped Villagers would see if they could provide aid to Martin. If you see an injured person, that is what you do.

As for my Zimmerman phrase, what part is not true?

[kittygilchrist]

Why do I get in these debates?

To entertain me when your goat gets gotten?
:popcorn:

[kittygilchrist]

I sure hope that neighbors in The Villages would have done something to attend to a victim laying on the grass before taking pictures of the other guy's bloody nose and scratches on his bald head.

Zimmerman sure is a despicable excuse for a human being. Overweight cop wannabee (who could not get accepted as a cop) bully who cannot back up his bravado without a gun.

re your hatred...
What is despicable about:
being overweight?
wanting to be a cop?
being brave?
carrying a gun?

I am taken aback that any of those qualities or the combination would provoke you to hatred. The last three are virtues in my book and hating overweight people these days would necessitate having very few friends.

[Duvalboomer]

From what I've watched on the television there should have never been any charges brought in this case

[Bucco]

Posing a few simple questions that I hope someone might answer...

1. How many posters who traditionally vote to the "left" of issues are or have supported Zimmerman ?

2. How many posters who traditionally vote to the "right" of issues are or have NOT supported Zimmerman ?

3. Has anyone changed their feelings on this case since the media of our choice instructed us on how to feel. From guilty to innocent or vice versa.

[Patty55]

How long do you all predict the jury will be out?

[manaboutown]

From the evidence presented Zimmerman is not a racist wanna be cop as I first imagined based upon reports from the mainstream media. I now see him as a 1/8 black, mixed race hispanic concerned citizen, trying to be a credit to his community, helping his neighbors reduce the crime in their neighborhood, a working man, going to school to try to get ahead in life. He is clearly innocent regardless of whatever the jurors find. They are under enormous political pressure from we all know who, as are the judge and prosecution team.

Martin, I now see not as a hunted down 12 year old innocent child as depicted by the mainstream media and the race baiters but as a bus driver beating, pot smoking burglar who also happened to be very disrespectful of women judging from his texts.

The prosecutor's "case" was essentially unsubstantiated garbage based upon emotion, speculation and even hysteria. The defense was all about finding out what the facts are, what actually happened based upon evidence.

I just hope the jurors do not offer Zimmerman up as a sacrificial lamb, saddling him with a lesser included charge pulled out of their hat by the prosecution team at the last minute to appease the race baiters, mainstream media and those of their ilk.

[Irish Rover]

Not guilty.

[DougB]

How long do you all predict the jury will be out?

I think they should reach a decision tonight.

[gomoho]

I believe the quicker they come back the more favorable for George Zimmerman. And I pray they don't end up as a hung jury - no one should have to go through this again. It needs to be resolved one way or the other.

[duffysmom]

In the beginning I believed all the media hype and thought Zimmerman was guilty, I now believe NOT GUILTY.

[gomoho]

Posing a few simple questions that I hope someone might answer...

1. How many posters who traditionally vote to the "left" of issues are or have supported Zimmerman ?

2. How many posters who traditionally vote to the "right" of issues are or have NOT supported Zimmerman ?

3. Has anyone changed their feelings on this case since the media of our choice instructed us on how to feel. From guilty to innocent or vice versa.


Actually I have intentionally watched eyewitness news ABC out of Orlando because I believe the attorney gives the most fair and balanced observation of the events. Don't even know if my channel of choice was covering the trial and the opposite to that had such tilted coverage I couldn't watch it.

[gomoho]

How do I know what? I said I hoped Villagers would see if they could provide aid to Martin. If you see an injured person, that is what you do.

As for my Zimmerman phrase, what part is not true?

Exactly - the Zimmerman phrase - where is your proof - not speculation, but proof?

[redwitch]

I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.

The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically, Martin behaved accordingly.

[janmcn]

I think they should reach a decision tonight.


As you were posting your opinion, the jury asked for a list of the evidence. Since there are over 200 pieces of evidence, it seems they will be there awhile.

[57ChevyFI]

Good point.

This case is an entirely different issue.

"Entirely different"?? Didn't two people lose their life? Maybe I am confused--yes the battle of the aggressor vs the non-aggressor is in the media, court and discussions all over the states. Were they not opposite races either the victim or the aggressors? Was there more coverage over one crime and not the other? chilout ...

Just an opinion

[TraceyMooreRN]

I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.

The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically, Martin behaved accordingly.

I don't think Zimmerman was smart enough to "set the kid up". Still think he was a wanna be--got jumped and reacted with a gun.

[Villages PL]

I was following the court proceedings on the radio for a while but I soon reached my limit. It reminds me of when I followed the OJ Simpson trial. It was a BIG waste of time. So, I've decided not to bother following this too closely. I'll be satisfied just to hear of the outcome.

[GatorFan]

I have watched and followed and if I were on jury my vote would be not guilty. Did not see any evidence to prove different.

[janmcn]

After deliberating for three hours and 32 minutes, the jury has requested to return to their hotel, and court is in recess until 9:00am tomorrow.

George Zimmerman looked concerned today when the jury instructions were read. Perhaps it wasn't God's will that he kill Trayvon Martin after all.

It was heartening to hear that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison, with a minimum of 15 years. Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions that night.

[gomoho]

After deliberating for three hours and 32 minutes, the jury has requested to return to their hotel, and court is in recess until 9:00am tomorrow.

George Zimmerman looked concerned today when the jury instructions were read. Perhaps it wasn't God's will that he kill Trayvon Martin after all.

It was heartening to hear that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison, with a minimum of 15 years. Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions that night.

Please share with me what evidence you have to make this assumption. Not speculation, assumptions, or probablys, but evidence.

[Bucco]

I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.

The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically, Martin behaved accordingly.

Appreciate your reply and your honesty. We agree on some points but do not on others, mostly because I watched none of the testimony on this case at all.

I shut down when the investigation was shut down after the event. I shut down when two political sides became the driving force and folks made the evidence fit what they were being told on the media of their choice where it has become a nightly discussion and all one sided one way or another.

I really think that politics has nothing to do within...WITHIN...the justice system and within trials and more importantly as relates to this case.....WITHIN INVESTIGATIONS.

Watching the posts on here I was just curious because it seems to me that those who are what you call "lefties" have always posted on here about Zimmerman as if he were satan himself. They blatently talk about his body, and put words and actions into the conversation that never ever occurred.
Those who would then be called "righties" try to paint Zimmerman as an angel on earth, as someone who never errs.

I keep the young man out of this because he is gone and that is a shame but the same thing has applied to him. How sad that our political commentary enters into this and allows us to be actually so mean spirited about two young men that we do not know and rely on the pundits to tell us how to think and what to say.

I was disturbed as some on here kept score as if this was a sporting event and in some cases would post almost word for word from whomever the legal "expert" was on their selected network based on politics.

Had those with big mouths kept them shut early on and allowed the investigation to continue, and not allowed folks to CHANGE evidence and go completely around a system, we may have had a just decision a long long time ago, but it served some political agenda and thus everything that we SAY we are for in justice in this country was circumnavigated.

This kind of case, as with others that Mr Sharpton has been involved in, simply make any divide in this country larger and larger, while he continues to dodge taxes and create this divide, folks watch, listen and hang on his words politically.

[janmcn]

After deliberating for three hours and 32 minutes, the jury has requested to return to their hotel, and court is in recess until 9:00am tomorrow.

George Zimmerman looked concerned today when the jury instructions were read. Perhaps it wasn't God's will that he kill Trayvon Martin after all.

It was heartening to hear that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison, with a minimum of 15 years. Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions that night.

Please share with me what evidence you have to make this assumption. Not speculation, assumptions, or probablys, but evidence.

The evidence that the jury recessed after three hours and 32 minutes of deliberations and will reconvene at 9:00am was reported by all the major networks.

The Florida statute that dictates that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison with a minimum of 15 years is contained in the Florida laws. Look it up.

George Zimmerman said on Sean Hannity's show, with his attorney present, that he had no remorse and "it was God's will" that he shot Trayvon Martin. Just check Sean Hannity shows for a copy of the tape.

"Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions" was my editorial comment based on the look on his face when the judge was reading the jury instructions.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/12/19436665-zimmerman-case-goes-to-the-jury?lite

[gomoho]

Janmanc - appreciate the response, but I was asking buggyone for his evidence that GZ is a hateful, despicable killer.

[janmcn]

Janmanc - appreciate the response, but I was asking buggyone for his evidence that GZ is a hateful, despicable killer.


I guess we have to wait for the jury's decision on that one.

[Patty55]

The evidence that the jury recessed after three hours and 32 minutes of deliberations and will reconvene at 9:00am was reported by all the major networks.

The Florida statute that dictates that manslaughter carries up to 30 years in prison with a minimum of 15 years is contained in the Florida laws. Look it up.

George Zimmerman said on Sean Hannity's show, with his attorney present, that he had no remorse and "it was God's will" that he shot Trayvon Martin. Just check Sean Hannity shows for a copy of the tape.

"Zimmerman might be having second thoughts about his actions" was my editorial comment based on the look on his face when the judge was reading the jury instructions.


Zimmerman case goes to the jury - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/12/19436665-zimmerman-case-goes-to-the-jury?lite)

The amount of time the jury deliberates is not evidence of anything, nor is the sentence (which the jury knows nothing about).

I agree that being on the Hannity show was stupid and I'm shocked that O'Mara let him do it.

[buggyone]

Janmanc - appreciate the response, but I was asking buggyone for his evidence that GZ is a hateful, despicable killer.

No direct questions to other posters are allowed on this forum.

Anyhow, we will have to wait for the jury's decision.

[Kelsie52]

Sad to say but we watched almost every minute of this trial .... I saw almost no evidence that GZ was the aggressor --lots of speculation!!!

Witnesses saw nothing --- specific --

There was just no evidence --to come close to PROVING GZ was hunting TM

He had a gun --YES!! so do I and I suspect many here on TOTV also have a weapon . Did he ever Draw the gun before he was being beaten yes while he was "following TM ? NO ---The reason he carried the gun was for self protection.

The burden of proof is great !! and I do not think it was even close to being met

We will never know what was in GZ mind ---but if I were a juror --we would have been home already ----

[dillywho]

Think about the way Zimmerman looked at that time, not how he looks now all spiffied up. Would you not be in fear of this guy continuing to follow you all over the place, never even attempting to tell you who he was and why he was on your tail? How was this kid supposed to know the guy was on the phone with the police? He never said he was.

Many have said that Martin should have just gone on home. Really, and lead this guy to your place where there was no adult, only a 12-year old boy? Zimmerman didn't want to give out his phone number or address because the "bad" guy might be listening? Isn't that just a tad paranoid?

Given all this, might it not be said that this kid was just defending himself against possible great bodily harm or even death? Martin couldn't even get a decent answer out of this "creep" (his words) about why he was following him or if he had a problem, depending on whose version you believe when he asked. The right to defend himself that night was not exclusively Zimmerman's. According to the law, reasonable fear of severe bodily harm or even death is all self defense takes with no requirement to flee first (which is exactly what I think Martin did when he ran and Zimmerman went after him). You don't even have to be hurt and have any marks on you...just a reasonable fear that you might. Unfortunately, since he died, nobody will ever know for sure what really happened.

Even if this kid had called 911, how was he going to tell them right where he was or how to find him if Zimmerman had to look to see where he was after living there for several years, not less than 10 days?

Do I think he is guilty of Murder 2? No. Manslaughter? Yes. Life as he knew it is lost and gone forever, but he can eventually recover. Martin will never have that chance.

[DougB]

Sad to say but we watched almost every minute of this trial .... I saw almost no evidence that GZ was the aggressor --lots of speculation!!!

Witnesses saw nothing --- specific --

There was just no evidence --to come close to PROVING GZ was hunting TM

He had a gun --YES!! so do I and I suspect many here on TOTV also have a weapon . Did he ever Draw the gun before he was being beaten yes while he was "following TM ? NO ---The reason he carried the gun was for self protection.

The burden of proof is great !! and I do not think it was even close to being met

We will never know what was in GZ mind ---but if I were a juror --we would have been home already ----


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[DougB]

I'm definitely a leftie (big surprise, right?). Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Nope. What he did was legal and I think he knew it. I also think he had enough of his neighborhood being victimized; saw this punk scouting the housing; figured he could set the kid up so it would be deemed self-defense. Am I right? Who knows? I don't -- it's just my theory. Obviously, Zimmerman knows and he ain't talkin'.

I never thought Zimmerman was racist. I think he would have killed Martin if given the chance regardless of his color -- it was walking in Zimmerman's neighborhood that got Martin killed, not the color of his skin. I do think Zimmerman sees himself as being white but that's totally irrelevant. I think Zimmerman thinks he's a good guy and feels he is being victimized. He killed a teenager. He has to live with that and I sincerely hope he really can't justify that killing -- no matter what Martin had done in the past, he was doing nothing wrong while walking through the complex and he had every right to be there.
The one thing that will always bother me is why didn't Zimmerman ever identify himself to Martin? Why deny he was following him? To me, that screams that Zimmerman was trying to set Martin up to react and, tragically,
Martin behaved accordingly.

I'm definitely a righty. Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Yes

[gomoho]

Think about the way Zimmerman looked at that time, not how he looks now all spiffied up. Would you not be in fear of this guy continuing to follow you all over the place, never even attempting to tell you who he was and why he was on your tail? How was this kid supposed to know the guy was on the phone with the police? He never said he was.

Many have said that Martin should have just gone on home. Really, and lead this guy to your place where there was no adult, only a 12-year old boy? Zimmerman didn't want to give out his phone number or address because the "bad" guy might be listening? Isn't that just a tad paranoid?

Given all this, might it not be said that this kid was just defending himself against possible great bodily harm or even death? Martin couldn't even get a decent answer out of this "creep" (his words) about why he was following him or if he had a problem, depending on whose version you believe when he asked. The right to defend himself that night was not exclusively Zimmerman's. According to the law, reasonable fear of severe bodily harm or even death is all self defense takes with no requirement to flee first (which is exactly what I think Martin did when he ran and Zimmerman went after him). You don't even have to be hurt and have any marks on you...just a reasonable fear that you might. Unfortunately, since he died, nobody will ever know for sure what really happened.

Even if this kid had called 911, how was he going to tell them right where he was or how to find him if Zimmerman had to look to see where he was after living there for several years, not less than 10 days?

Do I think he is guilty of Murder 2? No. Manslaughter? Yes. Life as he knew it is lost and gone forever, but he can eventually recover. Martin will never have that chance.

100% speculation - where is the evidence???

[cbg150]

I watched the trial and I am more convinced than ever. I want to live in a country where a kid can go out for candy, wearing a hoodie (in the rain, no less!) and not be profiled as a thug! A country where anyone who carries a weapon is trained to use that weapon with great restraint, and with the knowledge that they will be held 100% accountable if that weapon is misused. There will always be street fights but minus the introduction of a gun, injuries sustained would be limited to scrapes, bloody noses and bruises. The time has come for justice for Trayvon and for all other peace-loving Americans!!


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[graciegirl]

I'm definitely a righty. Do I think Zimmerman is innocent? No. Do I think he's guilty? Yes


Redwitch and DougB.

I can see that the two of you do NOT think along political lines all of the time.

To me that is very wise.

I know one of you well, and the other I have never met. I try very hard not to let the usual right or left philosophy decide my views.

It is refreshing to see you both do too.

Another thing that makes me listen when you post is that neither of you are filled with hatred or subject to youthful unrealistic rightousness.

[manaboutown]

No direct questions to other posters are allowed on this forum.

Then why do you ask them?

[buggyone]

No direct questions to other posters are allowed on this forum are allowed. chilout

[gomoho]

I watched the trial and I am more convinced than ever. I want to live in a country where a kid can go out for candy, wearing a hoodie (in the rain, no less!) and not be profiled as a thug! A country where anyone who carries a weapon is trained to use that weapon with great restraint, and with the knowledge that they will be held 100% accountable if that weapon is misused. There will always be street fights but minus the introduction of a gun, injuries sustained would be limited to scrapes, bloody noses and bruises. The time has come for justice for Trayvon and for all other peace-loving Americans!!


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I would like to live in a country where ganstas don't walk around with their hoodies up and their pants halfway down trying to intimidate people so that when others saw a person acting this way they wouldn't have to profile or be concerned for their own well being. When you set an expectation, be it good or bad, by the way you act and look there are consequences that go along with the image you are portraying. It's a reality - we are human beings.
If you don't like the consequences - don't portray that image.

[tucson]

I want to live in a neighborhood where criminals don't break into your home while you and your baby are home and continue to keep stealing your property! Thank God someone reached out to her afterwards to see if they were ok and could help her, that was George Zimmerman.

[janmcn]

It was just reported that the jury will take a one hour lunch break at noon today.

The crew on HLN-TV (formerly Court TV) jury watch reported earlier that if George Zimmerman is convicted, he will immediately be taken across the street for processing. There will be no remand.

[Lark7]

If I were a juror, I would not render a not gulity verdict on the weekend.

[Happinow]

...

Agree......the first think I would have asked my fellow jurors.....do any of you have reasonable doubt about weather GZ is guilty? If any one of them said yes, then it would have been over from there.

[Monkei]

If Trayvon was peace-loving why was he pounding Zimmermann's head on the concrete? Suddenly, I have flashbacks to the "Singing in the Rain" scene in Clockwork Orange. :rolleyes:

Doesn't Martin have a right to self defense?

[kittygilchrist]

Not to be snotty, but just curious where you would prefer to live?
I carry a gun. I am sure that as an aging female I would have no chance in a street fight. I'm trained to shoot but not to fight. How should I protect myself in a street fight, or robbery, or rape or home invasion (which I have had happen by the way.)?? I think you are saying I should take my chances that I could win if attacked?

I watched the trial and I am more convinced than ever. I want to live in a country where a kid can go out for candy, wearing a hoodie (in the rain, no less!) and not be profiled as a thug! A country where anyone who carries a weapon is trained to use that weapon with great restraint, and with the knowledge that they will be held 100% accountable if that weapon is misused. There will always be street fights but minus the introduction of a gun, injuries sustained would be limited to scrapes, bloody noses and bruises. The time has come for justice for Trayvon and for all other peace-loving Americans!!


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[gomoho]

Doesn't Martin have a right to self defense?

What would he be defending against??? He didn't have any evidence of a blow to his head or body.

[ilovetv]

Not to be snotty, but just curious where you would prefer to live?
I carry a gun. I am sure that as an aging female I would have no chance in a street fight. I'm trained to shoot but not to fight. How should I protect myself in a street fight, or robbery, or rape or home invasion (which I have had happen by the way.)?? I think you are saying I should take my chances that I could win if attacked?

BRAVO, Kitty!!!!

[kittygilchrist]

BRAVO, Kitty!!!!

off topic, smack me.
how bout that ad for homeowners ADT protection by phone if your door is kicked in? help is on the way?
you have to be kidding me!
:boom:
that's what the door sounds like kicked in...heh, you thought I shot them, didn't you?

[AJ32162]

Doesn't Martin have a right to self defense?

In a word...no. You cannot assault someone and then claim self-defense when they fight back.

[manaboutown]

Not guilty!!!!!

[buggyone]

OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, and George Zimmerman. True justice!

'Nuff said.

[kittygilchrist]

OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, and George Zimmerman. True justice!

'Nuff said.

what? did you have a point?

[gocubsgo]

They found him Not Guilty. FINALLY they got one right! God bless him. I hope he stays safe.

[kittygilchrist]

They found him Not Guilty. FINALLY they got one right! God bless him. I hope he stays safe.

oohrah, red. Emma and I are doing a happy dance!

[cbg150]

Peace loving people do not want revenge, we will not riot, but we are very sad that a young man's life was extinguished by a reckless man who went looking for trouble and used lethal force when he experienced minor injuries and a bruised ego. When this man was acquitted and not held accountable for his actions we suffer knowing that this is a very sad night for the state of Florida and for this country. The next step is not in the streets, but in the legislature where we will fight for representatives who create laws that hold gun owners to very high standards and make every dark alley in this country a safe place for all Americans regardless of their clothing, age or the color of their skin!


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[gerryann]

They found him Not Guilty. FINALLY they got one right! God bless him. I hope he stays safe.

Thank God! :BigApplause:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Peace loving people do not want revenge, we will not riot, but we are very sad that a young man's life was extinguished by a reckless man who went looking for trouble and used lethal force when he experienced minor injuries and a bruised ego. When this man was acquitted and not held accountable for his actions we suffer knowing that this is a very sad night for the state of Florida and for this country. The next step is not in the streets, but in the legislature where we will fight for representatives who create laws that hold gun owners to very high standards and make every dark alley in this country a safe place for all Americans regardless of their clothing, age or the color of their skin!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYou do realize that six people sat and listend to evidence in this case for 24 days came to a different conclusion that you did. But you probably know something that they don't.

[Monkei]

This case sends a bad signal and sets a dangerous precedent. It's a blueprint on how to profile, stalk, provoke and then shoot your target and claim self defense to get off.

GZ may not be going to jail per se but his life will become a jail without bars. Somebody better tell Georgie he needs a much bigger gun. His life will never be the same but at lest he still has life.

[gomoho]

This case sends a bad signal and sets a dangerous precedent. It's a blueprint on how to profile, stalk, provoke and then shoot your target and claim self defense to get off.

GZ may not be going to jail per se but his life will become a jail without bars. Somebody better tell Georgie he needs a much bigger gun. His life will never be the same but at lest he still has life.

Trayvon profiled George Zimmerman when he called him a "creepy ass cracker". It goes both ways - wish you could see that. This was not some innocent kid like the prosecution tried to portray him - maybe just maybe he was the aggressor.

[buggyone]

You do realize that six people sat and listend to evidence in this case for 24 days came to a different conclusion that you did. But you probably know something that they don't.

Just like the jury that found Casey Anthony not guilty!

[DaleMN]

People who are finding joy in the not guilty plea, sadly, are ignoring the trajedy of the situation. This wasn't a damn game to be won or lost. :(

[gomoho]

People who are finding joy in the not guilty plea, sadly, are ignoring the trajedy of the situation. This wasn't a damn game to be won or lost. :(

I don't think it is joy, but relief that the system appears to have worked this time and an innocent man won't be spending his life in jail.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Would the prosecution REPEATEDLY mentioning expletives, guide you to a second degree murder conviction? This seems so obvious to me, should never have made it to this circus!

I think that it shows that they had no case and were grasping at straws.

I sat on a jury once and the defense was doing the same thing. The case was pretty cut and dried and it took the jury about ten minutes to come to a decision of guilty. One of the things that helped us was that the defense attorney kept trying to introduce things that were totally irrelevant to the events in question.

Afterward some of us felt that the defendant should have sued her attorney for malpractice. There is no way that the case should have been brought to court. They should have settled. Unfortunately in this case we, the public cannot sue the AG for malpractice. We can only vote them out.