Zimmerman Verdict

[Suzi]

Zimmerman not guilty. Hope there is PEACE.

[manaboutown]

Congratulations to a fair, reasoning and brave jury!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

They got the verdict correct as far as I'm concerned. Never less, George Zimmerman will be punished for the rest of his life for a crime that he did not commit. He and his family will probably be forced to move out of the area and he can expect to be harassed and possibly assaulted until the day he dies.

[DaleMN]

They got the verdict correct as far as I'm concerned. Never less, George Zimmerman will be punished for the rest of his life for a crime that he did not commit. He and his family will probably be forced to move out of the area and he can expect to be harassed and possibly assaulted until the day he dies.

At least he still breathes.

[graciegirl]

At least he still breathes.


Wonder WHAT would have happened to both of their lives if this had not occurred?

Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill? Would Trayvon Martin go on to have a successful career and become a pillar of society?

Most of us THINK we know. We might be surprised, and we might not.

In situations that are very murky as to law and to common sense, we only have our own private opinions and the older we get, and the more we see things happen, the more I trust the wisdom of age.

I know what I think.

You know what you think.

There are no easy answers and exceptions to all of the rules.

[ilovetv]

Further proof that our criminal justice system cannot be driven by the wants of politicians perpetually running for office and pandering to certain groups whose minds cannot be changed by fact or reality.

[senior citizen]

Zimmerman not guilty. Hope there is PEACE.


Ditto. Our wish as well. Everyone should live in peace and not try to stir up riots and civil discord in the streets, etc.

Or how about, "Get a job"........

For anyone interested, as was my husband....as to how many folks are incarcerated by percentage of the various races in the United States......just type in to your search engine:

"Incarcerated in the United States" Wikipedia.

If you keep scrolling downward there are many graphs showing who exactly is in jail...........the percentage etc. Also, info on prisons....

Or, type in "What percentage of black males are in prison"
Wikipedia will automatically come up.......

No one wants to hear it, but we've had a recent insurgence of city gangs who have come up to our little town to sell drugs......hook up with dumb young gals, move in with them and do their business. The police have cracked down on a large number of them.

Just the other day, one came up from the city to Albany, N.Y. where he got a taxi cab to our town........a young "on the ball" cop noticed something wrong with the taxi's sticker..........and investigated. The cab had been told to pull into our local Chinese restaurant's parking lot which is where the cop apprehended a large amount of HEROIN. The city gang member is arrested under a huge bail............no need to profile them. You can see them.

No one in this town was ever afraid to walk the streets when we were raising our family. All the police, detectives, F.B.I. in Vermont know they are coming up from the cities to sell drugs up here...........where they stand out in a crowd, let's just say.

[janmcn]

They got the verdict correct as far as I'm concerned. Never less, George Zimmerman will be punished for the rest of his life for a crime that he did not commit. He and his family will probably be forced to move out of the area and he can expect to be harassed and possibly assaulted until the day he dies.


IMO the only people that will be interested in George Zimmerman a few weeks from now will be the same people that read The Enquirer. Although his attorney did say, in a televised interview, that Zimmerman receives threats and would have to stay in hiding "from those on the fringes". O'Mara said he has also received threats.

Hopefully, Zimmerman's employer will give him his old job back, and he can get back to his old life.

[kimball]

Wonder WHAT would have happened to both of their lives if this had not occurred?

Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill? Would Trayvon Martin go on to have a successful career and become a pillar of society?

Most of us THINK we know. We might be surprised, and we might not.

In situations that are very murky as to law and to common sense, we only have our own private opinions and the older we get, and the more we see things happen, the more I trust the wisdom of age.

I know what I think.

You know what you think.

There are no easy answers and exceptions to all of the rules.

My take on questions 1 and 2 in your post.

1) No! My best guess is that he would have continued with his unassuming life.
2) No! In fact if he hadn't been suspended from School three times (Pot possession and possession of burglary tools and thrown out of his Mother's house in Miami his chances for being a pillar of society might have increased to low rather than no likelihood.

[jnieman]

My take on questions 1 and 2 in your post.

1) No! My best guess is that he would have continued with his unassuming life.
2) No! In fact if he hadn't been suspended from School three times (Pot possession and possession of burglary tools and thrown out of his Mother's house in Miami his chances for being a pillar of society might have increased to low rather than no likelihood.

The one fact that swayed me into the Zimmerman corner was that who had all the wounds? Zimmerman was covered with them and Martin had none. It's just common sense. I do think Zimmerman should have stayed in his car but I believe Martin was a very angry young man to have beaten him up like he did.

[CMANN]

Just a couple of question if you can answer them as stated...

1. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had a gun in your hand, what would you do?

2. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had nothing in your hand, what would you do?

Try to be honest.

[Tom Grooms]

Here one for ya...

All else being equal if GZ would have shot TM in the leg and he survived, what charges would TM be facing? Aggravated battery?

[Patty55]

Here one for ya...

All else being equal if GZ would have shot TM in the leg and he survived, what charges would TM be facing? Aggravated battery?

Murder 2

[Taltarzac725]

Just a couple of question if you can answer them as stated...

1. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had a gun in your hand, what would you do?

2. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had nothing in your hand, what would you do?

Try to be honest.

1. Shoot in the air.

2. Try to throw the person off.

I agree with the Zimmerman jury, however, a 17 year old kid still is dead with parents still grieving. Zimmerman was hardly in the right to use deadly force in this situation. There will probably be a wrongful death suit coming from the family of Trayvon Martin and I hope they get a jury as fair as this one. Doubt if Zimmerman will like that verdict.

[Tom Grooms]

GZ doesn't have any money or assets. If he gets a $10,000,000 judgment against him a $500 bankruptcy will rid him of that debt.

[Patty55]

Just a couple of question if you can answer them as stated...

1. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had a gun in your hand, what would you do?

2. If you were flat on your back and a person was on top of you punching your face and you had nothing in your hand, what would you do?

Try to be honest.

1. I would have taken the same shot GZ did.

[kittygilchrist]

1. Shoot in the air.

2. Try to throw the person off.

I agree with the Zimmerman jury, however, a 17 year old kid still is dead with parents still grieving. Zimmerman was hardly in the right to use deadly force in this situation. There will probably be a wrongful death suit coming from the family of Trayvon Martin and I hope they get a jury as fair as this one. Doubt if Zimmerman will like that verdict.

The only circumstance in which I plan to pull a gun is to kill.
Shoot in the air past someone sitting on me who is smashing my head into concrete after knocking me down with a punch?
Might as well just give him the gun because he's going to take it away from me.
Hypothetically, use me as the victim. I'm over 60 and female.
Should I shoot into the air and try to squirm away?

[dillywho]

Wonder WHAT would have happened to both of their lives if this had not occurred?

Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill? Would Trayvon Martin go on to have a successful career and become a pillar of society?

Most of us THINK we know. We might be surprised, and we might not.

In situations that are very murky as to law and to common sense, we only have our own private opinions and the older we get, and the more we see things happen, the more I trust the wisdom of age.

I know what I think.

You know what you think.

There are no easy answers and exceptions to all of the rules.

Beautiful! I only wish I could verbalize my thoughts and feelings as well as you. Thank you for doing it for me.

[batman911]

Ditto. Our wish as well. Everyone should live in peace and not try to stir up riots and civil discord in the streets, etc.

Or how about, "Get a job"........

For anyone interested, as was my husband....as to how many folks are incarcerated by percentage of the various races in the United States......just type in to your search engine:

"Incarcerated in the United States" Wikipedia.

If you keep scrolling downward there are many graphs showing who exactly is in jail...........the percentage etc. Also, info on prisons....

Or, type in "What percentage of black males are in prison"
Wikipedia will automatically come up.......

No one wants to hear it, but we've had a recent insurgence of city gangs who have come up to our little town to sell drugs......hook up with dumb young gals, move in with them and do their business. The police have cracked down on a large number of them.

Just the other day, one came up from the city to Albany, N.Y. where he got a taxi cab to our town........a young "on the ball" cop noticed something wrong with the taxi's sticker..........and investigated. The cab had been told to pull into our local Chinese restaurant's parking lot which is where the cop apprehended a large amount of HEROIN. The city gang member is arrested under a huge bail............no need to profile them. You can see them.

No one in this town was ever afraid to walk the streets when we were raising our family. All the police, detectives, F.B.I. in Vermont know they are coming up from the cities to sell drugs up here...........where they stand out in a crowd, let's just say.

The people in jail have committed crimes and color of skin has nothing to do with it. If you do the crime, you do the time. Or maybe we should say "we already have 10% green people in jail so you get to go free". Is that what you really want?

[DaleMN]

My perception of the population that participates on TOTV is changing dramatically. :(

[Taltarzac725]

The only circumstance in which I plan to pull a gun is to kill.
Shoot in the air past someone sitting on me who is smashing my head into concrete after knocking me down with a punch?
Might as well just give him the gun because he's going to take it away from me.
Hypothetically, use me as the victim. I'm over 60 and female.
Should I shoot into the air and try to squirm away?

I am a male and am about 215 lbs and 6.1. I was answering from my own perspective. That's how the question was addressed. What would you do in that situation?

That's a different situation for a woman. And from the trial it seemed like Martin pushed Zimmerman's head against the concrete maybe once or twice. It still is not clear to me when Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun? Was this in a holster? Tucked in his shirt and covered up by it?

A stun gun would have been a much better weapon for Zimmerman to be carrying.

[DougB]

I a male and am about 215 lbs and 6.1. I was answering from my own perspective. That's how the question was addressed. What would you do in that situation?

That's a different situation for a woman. And from the trial it seemed like Martin pushed Zimmerman's head against the concrete maybe once or twice. It still is not clear to me when Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun? Was this in a holster? Tucked in his shirt and covered up by it?

A stun gun would have been a much better weapon for Zimmerman to be carrying.

I wouldn't be all too sure Martin ever knew Zimmerman had a gun. If he was beating him as bad as is claimed and if Zimmerman is so soft, doesn't appear it would have been hard for Martin to have taken the gun if he had seen it.

[janmcn]

My perception of the population that participates on TOTV is changing dramatically. :(


A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Thank goodness, Gov Scott was fired up and ready to go to prevent any demonstrations from taking place last night. Scott was the one who stepped up to the plate and appointed the special prosecutor, Angela Corey (R-Duval).

[cbg150]

My perception of the population that participates on TOTV is changing dramatically. :(

I have to say mine is too!


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[gomoho]

[QUOTE=janmcn;708119]A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Why??? because we are human and have strong opinions, because we believe in the jury system, because we can see beyond the race baiting in this tragedy and look at the evidence. I highly resent the patronizing attitude that because we believe differently than you we must somehow be deficient and not what you think The Villages should be. I think the biggest difference between your thinking and the rest of ours is we welcome all opinions, not just the ones that agree with us.

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=janmcn;708119]A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Why??? because we are human and have strong opinions, because we believe in the jury system, because we can see beyond the race baiting in this tragedy and look at the evidence. I highly resent the patronizing attitude that because we believe differently than you we must somehow be deficient and not what you think The Villages should be. I think the biggest difference between your thinking and the rest of ours is we welcome all opinions, not just the ones that agree with us.

Good post...thanks for being "hard" and I wish you had been harder.

The one thing in this area of discussion, ie., those folks posting that really has irked me is the posters on here posting guilt and innocence BEFORE any trial and with no evidence and actually while the police investigation was still in progress.

Folks actually ROOTING for one or another side as if it were a sporting event.

I have read posts on here WAY BACK EARLY ON that were almost lifted from the tv screen and MSNBC...almost word for word. Folks telling others how to think and what to say.

THAT bothers me about Villagers for sure, and you are so correct. Folks only care about one opinion and that would be theirs. Ask a civil question of a poster that has an answer that may make them uncomfortable they simply ignore such question.

All of us have notions, ideas, beliefs and many of us feel strongly. You cannot change those feelings and that is not what I suggest.

The problem is, we have no political board any longer but this has been a political issue and it should never have been...it should be about the LAW and nothing else.

It is not over folks....not even close. Zimmerman may have been found not guilty but the chase will continue.

I was living parttime in Tampa when this took place and so much discussion on the street concerning another racial killing in Jacksonville where a mentally retarded white man was beaten to death by 4 black males and they admitted it was because the guy was white.......CNN actually made mention of the case but never mentioned the color of anyone's skin or the motive in the killing.

Those criticizing Villagers, and making dumb statements about questioning the folks who live here need to get out a bit. A very very small portion of Villagers post or read this TOTV, sorry....but it is just a fact of life.

Because someone has a gun, legally.....why does that disqualify them as a Villager in some way ? Because someone believes in the neighborhood watch system......why does that disqualify them as a Villager. Because someone thought Zimmerman was not guilty and should now be left alone..why does that disqualify them as a Villager?

Lots of judging going on that is for sure !!!

My interest is the politics of this....I trust the judicial system...not perfect, but I trust that most times they get it right.......my postings were about the political interference into the investigation and the continued interference. I would have ignored this thing entirely but I know how the investigation was just plain taken off course by politics and that really bothers me...obviously more than most I guess based on the comments but if we allow it to continue and this has no left or right bias to it.......we really really have more serious problems in this country than I thought.

If that makes me not qualified to live in The Villages, where I have been for 13 years....ok.....but I am not questioning anyone else as others want to do.

I do not have that right as others seem to feel they do.

[njbchbum]

snipped
Because someone has a gun, legally.....why does that disqualify them as a Villager in some way ?


i wonder how many posters here know that the villages has its own gun club and how many villagers own their own guns....
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/clubs-villages-click-here-76/new-gun-club-villages-62207/

[Bucco]

i wonder how many posters here know that the villages has its own gun club and how many villagers own their own guns....
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/clubs-villages-click-here-76/new-gun-club-villages-62207/

It appears that there are posters who know very little unless their "source" tells them about it, what their opinion is.

[Warren Kiefer]

Wonder WHAT would have happened to both of their lives if this had not occurred?

Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill? Would Trayvon Martin go on to have a successful career and become a pillar of society?

Most of us THINK we know. We might be surprised, and we might not.

In situations that are very murky as to law and to common sense, we only have our own private opinions and the older we get, and the more we see things happen, the more I trust the wisdom of age.

I know what I think.

You know what you think



There are no easy answers and exceptions to all of the rules.

I am shocked at your response, " Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill"... You state this as if George Zimmerman was possibly destined to kill someone.

[Warren Kiefer]

A lot of people are probably reevaluating their opinion of The Villages, IMO.

Thank goodness, Gov Scott was fired up and ready to go to prevent any demonstrations from taking place last night. Scott was the one who stepped up to the plate and appointed the special prosecutor, Angela Corey (R-Duval).

It there a single positive thing anyone can say about Angela Corey, the States's Attorney? Her problems regarding her firing a staff attorney for whistle blowing may not be over for a long time. It is becoming clear that the staff attorney was concerned that the State's Attorney's Office was doing something unethical and perhaps illegal in withholding evidence from Zimmerman's defence team. Corey terminated him. I now see the taxpayers paying a hugh settlement for illegal termination.

[tucson]

Alan Dershowitz from Harvard Law just stated during a interview w/Huckabee on Fox that Angela Corey is the worst prosecutor in the 50yrs that he's been in law practice. Now that's saying something!! He also thinks she should be disbarred..also that this case should never have been brought to trial and that they should've convened a grand jury, and he said it was a case of self defense.

[kittygilchrist]

It there a single positive thing anyone can say about Angela Corey, the States's Attorney? Her problems regarding her firing a staff attorney for whistle blowing may not be over for a long time. It is becoming clear that the staff attorney was concerned that the State's Attorney's Office was doing something unethical and perhaps illegal in withholding evidence from Zimmerman's defence team. Corey terminated him. I now see the taxpayers paying a hugh settlement for illegal termination.

see thread who is that spokesperson with the pearls...I honestly missed her intro and did not know who she was when I posted the thread. I was just seeing thru her like glass and seriously wanted to know who she was...

[JerryP]

The only circumstance in which I plan to pull a gun is to kill.
Shoot in the air past someone sitting on me who is smashing my head into concrete after knocking me down with a punch?
Might as well just give him the gun because he's going to take it away from jme.
Hypothetically, use me as the victim. I'm over 60 and female.
Should I shoot into the air and try to squirm away?

I laughed out loud,
"might as well just give him the gun"

[senior citizen]

I am shocked at your response, " Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill"... You state this as if George Zimmerman was possibly destined to kill someone.

I was also confused by that statement as she had just posted in answer to my post that her original opinion was trying to be non judgemental but then she changed her opinion.........so all very confusing indeed.

The more we try to be "people pleasers" we simply lose ourselves.......
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions as far as I'm concerned.
Sometimes, we just can't decide.........or sometimes we can literally see and understand both sides.........that is a gift for sure.

Up here we are more plain spoken and don't try to embellish the truth of how we actually feel. Phoniness is one of my pet peeves.......so I try to just say it like it is at the moment.

[kittygilchrist]

I am shocked at your response, " Would George Zimmerman find someone else to kill"... You state this as if George Zimmerman was possibly destined to kill someone.

War, I know Gracie and suggest her post wasn't statement as much as puzzling over how unconsciously and without self awareness we make assumptions.
Kitty, a Gracie wannabe..

[gmcneill]

Maybe GZ should've stayed in the car

Maybe TM shouldn't have been out buying 2/3 of the ingredients needed to make purple drank (Google Trayvon Martin Drank for explanation/definition)

Maybe some high-profile outsiders shouldn't have made this a race issue

Maybe the media should've been unbiased and responsible

Maybe the Sanford, FL police chief who lost his job correctly performed his duties at the time after all

Maybe the Miami Heat team photos in hoodies in support of TM was premature

Maybe this, maybe that.

Too many maybes and too many could'ves, would'ves, and should'ves...all combined to make the matter an embarrassment on so many levels.

[kittygilchrist]

ain't it so, GM? and on goes the fallout...

[manaboutown]

i wonder how many posters here know that the villages has its own gun club and how many villagers own their own guns....
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/clubs-villages-click-here-76/new-gun-club-villages-62207/

Here are some purses for the ladies who carry. Packing heat in style: high-end purses help women conceal guns (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100877358)

[ilovetv]

I found this interesting and revealing. There were obvious political agendas to bolster and protect:

"The Florida State Attorney's office has fired information technology director Ben Kruidbos, who raised concerns about how the prosecutors in the George Zimmerman trial turned over evidence to the defense.

According to Kruidbos' attorney Wesley White, the former IT director was let go Friday by the state's top prosecutor, Angela Corey, for allegedly violating "numerous State Attorney’s Office policies and procedures."

Kruidbos, who testified in a pretrial hearing in the Zimmerman case in June, said that he had reason to believe that additional information found in Trayvon Martin's cell phone had not been turned over to the defense. Kruidbos said more than 2,000 photos from the phone were not shown to defense attorneys, including pictures of underage naked girls, images showing piles of jewelry on Martin's bed and photos of Martin blowing smoke.

Kruidbos' termination letter stated, in part: "It has come to our attention that you violated numerous State Attorney’s Office (SAO) policies and procedures and have engaged in deliberate misconduct that is especially egregious in light of your position.”

According to HLN legal experts, while Kruidbos' firing will not affect the jury's verdict, his testimony could be raised in the defense's request for sanctions. It could also be brought up in Zimmerman's appeal if he is convicted...."

IT chief fired after raising concerns in Zimmerman case | HLNtv.com (http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/13/state-attorney-angela-corey-fires-information-technology-director-trayvon-martin?hpt=hln10_1)

[graciegirl]

I was also confused by that statement as she had just posted in answer to my post that her original opinion was trying to be non judgemental but then she changed her opinion.........so all very confusing indeed.

The more we try to be "people pleasers" we simply lose ourselves.......
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions as far as I'm concerned.
Sometimes, we just can't decide.........or sometimes we can literally see and understand both sides.........that is a gift for sure.

Up here we are more plain spoken and don't try to embellish the truth of how we actually feel. Phoniness is one of my pet peeves.......so I try to just say it like it is at the moment.

OH Boy.

Neither of you got it or get me. I was suggesting that neither statement was likely, and that George Zimmerman was unlikely to kill again and that Trayvon Martin had some bad things happening to him including his choice of girlfriends and being thrown out of school.

And the rest just kinda hurts. Being phony and people pleasing. I try to be honest and diplomatic. But I am from the middle of the country. Sometimes regionalism gets in the way of good communication.

Using more words doesn't always get the job done and it does help to read to the end.

And since I live here and have friends here and know their views and those views may differ from mine I try not to say things in a challenging or hateful way.

[kittygilchrist]

Here are some purses for the ladies who carry. Packing heat in style: high-end purses help women conceal guns (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100877358)

problems with purses: clumsy to extract the weapon, carry purses tend to be heavy before the gun goes in, and you (I) might forget I'm carrying and go in the bank...been there...
K.
ps I don't think the pic on the site is a carry purse. carry purses have a hidden central chamber with "normal" purse chambers on both sides with top access. there's a zipper on the end of the purse to access weapon.

[kittygilchrist]

I laughed out loud,
"might as well just give him the gun"

O'mara just said in an interview:
A gun without a round in the chamber is a paperweight.

[MikeV]

I agree with the verdict. In a few years this will go the way of the OJ trial. It will fade in our memories except for the occasional media rehash when another similar crime comes up. GZ will have to hide out for a while or move out of the area but I believe his life will someday be somewhat normal again.