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kittygilchrist
07-14-2013, 07:50 PM
I expect an investigation is coming into the state atty who oversaw this case. Corey's public appearance after the Z trial and firing the whistleblower were a clumsy, unbelievable way to cover up and blame others that was as transparent as glass.
brouhaha, this one will be a doozy.
edit: re her role which is confusing to many. she was appointed special prosecutor to fry zimmerman in a unique and controversial move by gov Scott.

gmcneill
07-14-2013, 08:16 PM
Some of the talking legal heads on the Orlando stations absolutely shredded her for her numerous actions and inactions, unprofessional comportment, and general incompetence from pre-trial all the way through post-trial. She must've been pretty bad to generate such comments from fellow professionals.

JP
07-14-2013, 08:29 PM
I agree. I can't believe she is our Fla. attorney general. How did she get that job? Who appointed her or worse was she elected?

DougB
07-14-2013, 08:33 PM
I agree. I can't believe she is our Fla. attorney general. How did she get that job? Who appointed her or worse was she elected?

I guess you can't believe it because she isn't. She is a State Attorney. Pam Bondi is the Attorney General.

kittygilchrist
07-14-2013, 08:38 PM
the state atty is the prosecutor who oversees state atty offices throughout the state.
easy mistake to make to mix with atty gen. all circuits have a state atty locally.

kittygilchrist
07-14-2013, 09:22 PM
Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Special Prosecutor Angela Corey Should Be Disbarred | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/14/alan_dershowitz_zimmerman_special_prosecutor_angel a_corey_should_be_disbarred.html)

tommy steam
07-15-2013, 12:03 AM
Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Special Prosecutor Angela Corey Should Be Disbarred | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/14/alan_dershowitz_zimmerman_special_prosecutor_angel a_corey_should_be_disbarred.html)

Wow , what an article ! What puzzled me is why after the trial she was taking questions and smiling like the Cheshire Cat, while the other prosucuters had frown faces on. I just thought it was weird.

Paulm47
07-15-2013, 12:32 AM
Actually Angela Corey is the elected State's Attorney for the Fourth Judicial Circuit Court based in Jacksonville, which includes Duval, Nassau and Clay counties. She was assigned by Governor Scott as the special prosecutor for the Trayvon Martin investigation when the then local State's Attorney for the court in Sanford (18th Judicial Circuit, Brevard and Seminole Counties), Norman Wolfinger, voluntarily disqualified himself to "avoid any appearance of conflict of interest or impropriety". She has no supervisory role over any other State's Attorney other than the staff in her own Judicial District.

kittygilchrist
07-15-2013, 05:09 AM
thanks for clarifying that.

mjdollard
07-15-2013, 08:37 AM
Wow , what an article ! What puzzled me is why after the trial she was taking questions and smiling like the Cheshire Cat, while the other prosucuters had frown faces on. I just thought it was weird.

You are right, she seemed almost giddy

Village Kid 2
07-15-2013, 09:17 AM
To expand on the makeup of Florida's State Attorney system:

Florida has 20 judicial circuits composed of one or more counties. Each circuit has an elected State Attorney, Public Defender, and Circuit and County Court judges. We are in the Fifth Circuit composed of Marion, Lake, Sumter, Citrus, and Hernando counties. The state attorney offices handle all criminal cases in their circuit. When there is a conflict of interest, the Governor appoints a "special" prosecutor, I.e. a prosecutor from another circuit, to take the case. This is the way the system works and is not unusual.

kittygilchrist
07-15-2013, 09:25 AM
To expand on the makeup of Florida's State Attorney system:

Florida has 20 judicial circuits composed of one or more counties. Each circuit has an elected State Attorney, Public Defender, and Circuit and County Court judges. We are in the Fifth Circuit composed of Marion, Lake, Sumter, Citrus, and Hernando counties. The state attorney offices handle all criminal cases in their circuit. When there is a conflict of interest, the Governor appoints a "special" prosecutor, I.e. a prosecutor from another circuit, to take the case. This is the way the system works and is not unusual.

why was there said to be a conflict of interest for the Sanford circuit state atty?

Village Kid 2
07-15-2013, 09:37 AM
Kitty, here is an article that may answer your question:

Trayvon Martin Case: State Attorney Quits Investigation As State Studies 'Stand Your Ground' Law (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/trayvon-martin-state-attorney_n_1374206.html)

gmcneill
07-15-2013, 09:37 AM
It is my understanding that there were unofficial rumblings that he was not completely objective re: civil rights-type of cases. He adamantly denied any such behavior but thought it best for all concerned to recuse himself.

kittygilchrist
07-15-2013, 09:50 AM
I don't see any reason given in the article for his recusing himself. I still don't know why but thanks...I doubt he decided that without pressure, but I dunno...

gmcneill
07-15-2013, 09:54 AM
Thank you for clarification Village Kid2.

I don't usually repeat info that I haven't personally verified. I did in this case- as indicated by the qualifier, It is my understanding- but I should not have done so.

Village Kid 2
07-15-2013, 09:57 AM
Who knows what is in the heart and mind of another. The State Attorney has only his/her electorate to answer to.

Flip Flop Forever
07-15-2013, 09:37 PM
I thought that Angela Corey's appearance, demeanor and interview after the verdict were a disgrace and embarrassment to the people of Florida.

JP
07-15-2013, 10:52 PM
I thought that Angela Corey's appearance, demeanor and interview after the verdict were a disgrace and embarrassment to the people of Florida.
I still think this and agree with you. The state lost and she was still talking about why the state should have won. Wow. Ridiculous.

DougB
07-15-2013, 10:58 PM
Same as any high profile case where the State loses. Nothing new.

janmcn
07-16-2013, 06:57 AM
I thought that Angela Corey's appearance, demeanor and interview after the verdict were a disgrace and embarrassment to the people of Florida.


Think how awkward it must be for the residents of Duval County who elected her or Governor Rick Scott, who appointed her the special prosecutor in this case.

CraigC
07-16-2013, 07:40 AM
Same as any high profile case where the State loses. Nothing new.

I certainly don't remember another where the prosecution immediately went on TV to tell us how good their case was, then whined day after day after losing it. It certainly wasn't the Casey Anthony case. The prosecutor waited about a month to make any statement at all, and then he basically just expressed disappointment.

What high profile cases are you remembering where something comparable to this occurred? I'm assuming that you can point us to many!

JP
07-16-2013, 11:18 AM
:BigApplause::agree:

Patty55
07-16-2013, 03:39 PM
What is wrong with this woman? Is she looking to collect unemployment or is she just (IMO) an idiot?

When asked by HLN Vinnie Politan to describe GZ in one word she said "Murderer".

Seems to me that someone with so little respect for the jury system needs a different line of work.

Prosecutor to HLN: Zimmerman is a 'murderer' | HLNtv.com (http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/15/george-zimmerman-prosecutors-angela-corey-bernie-de-la-rionda-vinnie-politan-interview)

buggyone
07-16-2013, 04:03 PM
A poster wrote. "Seems to me that someone (Angela Corey) with so little respect for the jury system needs a different line of work."

Remember that OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were also found not guilty by juries. I would hope the poster has the same respect for those verdicts as she does for the Z verdict. I know I do.

Radioman41
07-16-2013, 04:43 PM
I wonder if any Duval County citizens are considering a recall petition?

Patty55
07-16-2013, 04:53 PM
A poster wrote. "Seems to me that someone (Angela Corey) with so little respect for the jury system needs a different line of work."

Remember that OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were also found not guilty by juries. I would hope the poster has the same respect for those verdicts as she does for the Z verdict. I know I do.

I am not a States Attorney, but yes, I do respect those decisions, I don't agree with them but I do respect them.

This woman is the State Attorney and if she has so little respect for the jury system she does have the option of keeping her mouth shut.

And not for nothing, she needs a stylist.

ilovetv
07-16-2013, 07:34 PM
All of this is nothing more than TABLOID "journalism".....trash.

This looks like the National Enquirer or worse at the cash registers:

HLN: The News and Views network | HLNtv.com (http://www.hlntv.com)

wendyquat
07-16-2013, 10:43 PM
I am not a States Attorney, but yes, I do respect those decisions, I don't agree with them but I do respect them.

This woman is the State Attorney and if she has so little respect for the jury system she does have the option of keeping her mouth shut.

And not for nothing, she needs a stylist.

:agree: Patty55. You are right on!

gomoho
07-17-2013, 06:38 AM
A poster wrote. "Seems to me that someone (Angela Corey) with so little respect for the jury system needs a different line of work."

Remember that OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were also found not guilty by juries. I would hope the poster has the same respect for those verdicts as she does for the Z verdict. I know I do.

You keep referring to these other 2 cases - the biggest difference I see is there were no eye witnesses or 911 calls in either of those 2 cases and the jury needed to figure out "who done it", not if someone had the right to defend themself. Kind of like apples and oranges IMHO.

buggyone
07-17-2013, 07:59 AM
You keep referring to these other 2 cases - the biggest difference I see is there were no eye witnesses or 911 calls in either of those 2 cases and the jury needed to figure out "who done it", not if someone had the right to defend themself. Kind of like apples and oranges IMHO.

...and you are certainly entitled to your opinion - the same as I am entitled to mine.

As I said, I have the same respect for the verdict of not guilty in the Zimmerman trial as I do for the not guilty verdicts in the others.

kittygilchrist
07-17-2013, 08:14 AM
...and you are certainly entitled to your opinion - the same as I am entitled to mine.

As I said, I have the same respect for the verdict of not guilty in the Zimmerman trial as I do for the not guilty verdicts in the others.

It sounds fair to respect the verdict...made me think...do I respect all verdicts? NO. The legal system is highly unlikely to produce justice.
(I'm experienced in forensics...have seen too much)

I respect this particular verdict but not robotically saluting all juries for a job well done. Being tried by a jury of clowns may be the norm.

My hat is off to the jury in the Z trial. IMO they were the exception and were not only careful to understand the law, but conscientious rather than emotional in applying it. Rare, rare, rare case of justice. They actually had the capacity to reason and use critical judgment.

And all they had to do to qualify for duty was have a driver's license. :ohdear: and you know how great other people are at driving...

Patty55
07-17-2013, 09:45 AM
Well, you know what they say in my country....

Looking for justice in a courtroom is like looking for love in a whorehouse.

Bucco
07-17-2013, 10:14 AM
This is the kind of thing that really bothers me.....nobody has given the police or anyone in law enforcement any nods on this..even though it appears that had the case nailed until interfered with...

This first link is from an article on Corey herself and I find this part to be very disturbing..

"...Corey has a history of overcharging and withholding evidence.

The Zimmerman trial is a clear case of the former and a probable case of the latter. Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder, also known as “depraved mind” murder. The case law for that charge, an attorney who has worked in criminal prosecution outside Florida tells me, is near-unanimous: It almost never applies to one-on-one encounters. Second-degree murder is the madman who fires indiscriminately into a crowd or unlocks the lions’ cage at the zoo. “Nothing in the facts of this case approaches that.” Which Angela Corey, a veteran prosecutor, should have known, and a grand jury would have told her. In fact, both the initial police investigation and the original state attorney in charge of the case had determined exactly that: There was no evidence of any crime, much less second-degree murder

But that did not stop Corey from zealously overcharging and — the facts suggest — withholding evidence to ensure that that charge stuck."

Angela Corey (http://nationalreview.com/article/353633/angela-coreys-checkered-past-ian-tuttle/page/0/1?splash)

This disturbs me not just on the facts but the posters who supported this case, who express discontent with the verdict, discontent with the police, etc.......Were these actions simply ignored by those folks or dont they care as long as the political mission is accomplished ?

And just to add to this...

"A former employee of Florida State Attorney Angela Corey's office plans to file a whistleblower lawsuit against George Zimmerman's prosecutors, his attorney told Reuters on Tuesday.

The action will put pressure on Corey, who already faces criticism from some legal experts for the unsuccessful prosecution of the case, which led to the acquittal of Zimmerman for shooting unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman's defense has also called for sanctions against her and her prosecution team.

Ben Kruidbos, Corey's former director of information technology, was fired after testifying at a pre-trial hearing on June 6 that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially embarrassing evidence extracted from Martin's cell phone to the defense, as required by evidence-sharing laws."

Exclusive: Fired employee to file lawsuit against Zimmerman prosecutors | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-lawsuit-idUSBRE96F1EL20130716)

With all the shrieking about racism, poor dumb police, bad jury, etc.. why is nobody upset about this ?

buggyone
07-17-2013, 10:33 AM
Well, you know what they say in my country....

Looking for justice in a courtroom is like looking for love in a whorehouse.


Right on! Let them be tried on TOTV!

gmcneill
07-17-2013, 11:19 AM
And so, regarding Angela Corey, it crystalizes to this: Given her trail of incompetence and questionable professional behavior- the Trayvon Martin trial being only the most recent incident- will voters will return her to office or not?

Whether one is a pro- or anti verdict supporter, most all would agree that she herself has provided her potential opponents more than a sufficient amount material to use against her.

Bucco
07-17-2013, 11:39 AM
And so, regarding Angela Corey, it crystalizes to this: Given her trail of incompetence and questionable professional behavior- the Trayvon Martin trial being only the most recent incident- will voters will return her to office or not?

Whether one is a pro- or anti verdict supporter, most all would agree that she herself has provided her potential opponents more than a sufficient amount material to use against her.

You are correct, but my concern (and not just mine) is how politics played into this.

Politics of win or lose...nothing else.

Not many on this TOTV forum expressed concern about what she did, or what was done to the investigation and the politics of interference.

That issue was superseded by an almost sporting event aura, cheering and rooting during the trial, etc.

If folks who are tearing at this verdict, crying race, etc are not concerned, and here I make the assumption they do not care because of political party or political leanings.....why would they care at election time ?

Thy will vote their party no matter what.

JP
07-17-2013, 11:39 AM
And so, regarding Angela Corey, it crystalizes to this: Given her trail of incompetence and questionable professional behavior- the Trayvon Martin trial being only the most recent incident- will voters will return her to office or not?

Whether one is a pro- or anti verdict supporter, most all would agree that she herself has provided her potential opponents more than a sufficient amount material to use against her.

You would hope so but I have seen a lot of people re-elected that were utterly drooling bafoons.

buggyone
07-17-2013, 12:21 PM
You are correct, but my concern (and not just mine) is how politics played into this.

Politics of win or lose...nothing else.

Not many on this TOTV forum expressed concern about what she did, or what was done to the investigation and the politics of interference.

That issue was superseded by an almost sporting event aura, cheering and rooting during the trial, etc.

If folks who are tearing at this verdict, crying race, etc are not concerned, and here I make the assumption they do not care because of political party or political leanings.....why would they care at election time ?


Thy will vote their party no matter what.

This did become a political hot potato and, to some, reeked of Florida racism because the Sanford police seemed to nothing in an investigation. It did take the intercession of the Florida governor to prompt an arrest 44 days after the killing. Sometimes a third party is necessary. However, it is not always necessary to kowtow to agitators just for political reasons.

I highly doubt that any other special prosecutor appointed by the Florida governor would have handled the case any differently.

As for Federal civil rights charges being levied against Z, I say why bother? The deed is done, a verdict is in, Z is vilified by some, praised by others, but he will never be absolutely free.

Bucco
07-17-2013, 01:31 PM
This did become a political hot potato and, to some, reeked of Florida racism because the Sanford police seemed to nothing in an investigation. It did take the intercession of the Florida governor to prompt an arrest 44 days after the killing. Sometimes a third party is necessary. However, it is not always necessary to kowtow to agitators just for political reasons.

I highly doubt that any other special prosecutor appointed by the Florida governor would have handled the case any differently.

As for Federal civil rights charges being levied against Z, I say why bother? The deed is done, a verdict is in, Z is vilified by some, praised by others, but he will never be absolutely free.

My only response is to implore you to read about the investigation, and especially the TIMING AND WHY on that intervention. It was simply taken away BEFORE Scott did anything. His appointment was to save chaos.

I know you will not see this all of this certain networks, but at least read the interviews with the police and do just a small amount of research. They, the police had demonstrators on them early on. Interviews, normally done by the police, were being done by POLITICIANS and relatives.

I cannot compliment Scott on this. He had everyone intruding including POTUS on his back and had no choice.