Shame on the driver of a black late model sedan

[fb32162]

You know who you are. You endangered my grandchildren. We were riding in the golf cart lane in a rented 4 seater cart. You decided we had no right to use a residents gate so you sped by us on the right, cut in front of our cart, screamed obsentities at us and gave us the one finger salute all while screaming that we should be using the visitor gate. (oh btw, we've lived here full time for over 2 yrs) Try to explain to a 5 and 10 yr old why a man was screaming bad words at them. Sadly, the older one asked "do you think he has a gun?" You must be so proud knowing you scared small children.

[graciegirl]

You know who you are. You endangered my grandchildren. We were riding in the golf cart lane in a rented 4 seater cart. You decided we had no right to use a residents gate so you sped by us on the right, cut in front of our cart, screamed obsentities at us and gave us the one finger salute all while screaming that we should be using the visitor gate. (oh btw, we've lived here full time for over 2 yrs) Try to explain to a 5 and 10 yr old why a man was screaming bad words at them. Sadly, the older one asked "do you think he has a gun?" You must be so proud knowing you scared small children.

Was it street legal? I was thinking that regular carts usually do not have the right to pass through gates and then I remember two instances; Canal St. and the Belvedere gate. Surely their response was wrong, but were you by chance going through a gate that doesn't allow golf carts and driving into danger?

[kimball]

Was it street legal? I was thinking that regular carts usually do not have the right to pass through gates and then I remember two instances; Canal St. and the Belvedere gate.

The only reasons a regular cart can't use a resident gate would be if they don't have a gate card or they don't have a finger to push the open gate button.

[Russ_Boston]

The only reasons a regular cart can't use a resident gate would be if they don't have a gate card or they don't have a finger to push the open gate button.


Gracie meant that there are many gates a cart can't use since they go out into roundabouts and thus only street legals would be allowed. But (as she mentioned) there are some.

There are many people driving in/around TV that should not be allowed to have a license. Hope your grandchildren still enjoyed their time here.

[missypie]

Ya know once when I was visiting TV, I was still getting used to the golf cart thing and I made a wrong turn and found myself driving down a street where I should have NOT been on. I clearly realized my mistake and turned around. Some people shook their heads at me and some asked if I needed assistance. Thank you to the understanding folks!!!!!

BTW: I am better at it all now:thumbup:

[Parker]

It is scary that some people are so angry they CANNOT control themselves. They've either lived their lives this way, or this behavior can be symptomatic of developing dementia. Either way, dangerous attitude to have behind the wheel, and especially terrible where children are involved.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Gracie meant that there are many gates a cart can't use since they go out into roundabouts and thus only street legals would be allowed. But (as she mentioned) there are some.

There are many people driving in/around TV that should not be allowed to have a license. Hope your grandchildren still enjoyed their time here.

There are many people driving all over the world that should not be allowed to have a license. TV is no different. In fact, I find the drivers in TV the be among the most courteous and safe of all the places in the world that I have driven. And that includes, Boston, Detroit, NYC and Manila, PH

[DonH57]

Well. I got to say I'm sad to hear your grandchildren had to witness such inappropriate behavior. I too hope they got to enjoy some better examples of citizenship from our fellow residents during their stay. Reminds me of when we first came here an I took a wrong turn onto a golf course path with the cart. Some golfers reacted as if I entered apon sacred burial ground while a couple of friendly golfers kindly told me I took a wrong turn. Oh Well.

[BobnBev]

I hope you got his plate # and called the Sheriff.

[784caroline]

Unfortunate and sad incident BUT the OP never answered Gracies inital post as to what gate she was trying to enter with a golf cart!

[dillywho]

Unfortunate and sad incident BUT the OP never answered Gracies inital post as to what gate she was trying to enter with a golf cart!

No matter what, there is absolutely no excuse for the behavior of that car driver. Unfortunately, addressing him on here won't do anything to change him because he most likely doesn't have time to read TOTV.

[sandybill2]

I am so very sorry that you and your family were treated this way. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone to act the way this person did--and what a world we live in that your grandchild was worried about him having a gun. This is obviously a miserable person and I know he is the minority here.

Know you are enjoying having your grandchildren and family here with you---continue to do so and I hope this memory will soon be erased and replaced with happy ones.

[fb32162]

This happened at the gate at Canal and Bonita (heading south). The driver sped off so fast (and quite honestly,I was pretty upset) we didn't get his tag number. The folks in a golf cart behind us saw the whole thing and did offer to give a witness statement if we called the sheriff but with no tag number, we decided to just get home and get the kids calmed down. Fortunately, the kids are fine and back enjoying their time in TV.

[NotGolfer]

That is so sad! I've witnessed such behavior here as well...but it's been just a few times so it's the "rule"! Unfortunately "some" folks bring their bad-behaviors with them. I've always said, "if they do that sort of thing in public just imagine what they're like in their personal lives!"!!! Glad I don't have to live with someone like him!

[Duvalboomer]

There are many people driving all over the world that should not be allowed to have a license. TV is no different. In fact, I find the drivers in TV the be among the most courteous and safe of all the places in the world that I have driven. And that includes, Boston, Detroit, NYC and Manila, PH

I agree, all in all TV drivers are very good

[SALYBOW]

There are rude and inconsiderate drivers everywhere. Thankfully we have very few of them here. Two things I noticed ib the description were that he cut you off ( always a violation) and yelled you needed to use the visitors gate. On what basis did he decide that? How many people from outside TV ride around in a four seater golf cart? Since all the entrances to TV involve big streets, it is impossible to gain entry to TV in a golf cart. You must have been residents. Sorry that you interacted:duck: with the 1% of jerks that live here.

[blueash]

Are there cameras at that gate? Just to clarify, if you were going south on Canal the gates are after the signal at Bonita. There is no golf cart lane for about 800 feet prior to the gates as you have to merge into traffic before the center island then go through the intersection then remain in a traffic lane approaching the southbound gates. Looking at googlemaps it seems the resident lane is the right lane gate and the visitor lane in the center lane gate. Thus if you went through the resident gate you stayed near the outside curb. How did someone manage to pass you on the right? No matter his behavior was completely unacceptable, and perhaps borders on illegal (? menacing, driving while intoxicated?, failure to yield, and perhaps more possibilities.) I almost always use the right side, residents' gate, at that location as I don't want to swing left, crossing a lane of car traffic, then after getting through the gate have to swing right again crossing traffic to get into the reappearing golf cart lane. And I do that whether or not I have my card or have to push the button for entry.

[patfla06]

There is absolutely no excuse for his behavior!
What is the big hurry?

And to flip you off -especially with children aboard - is
unbelievable.

Imagine the poor woman married to this guy.

[Chazz]

Perhaps the sedan driver is suffering from a mental condition that impairs his judgment? Otherwise, simply a jerk!

[Bogie Shooter]

I hope you got his plate # and called the Sheriff.

What would the sheriff do?

[Aurora]

I guess rude drivers can be anywhere. But, I had an incident at the same gate last week except the driver was a young (late teens) male. I was going north on Canal and a car whizzed past me, cutting me off before the Bonita gate. The light turned red and when the car stopped I noticed it had no license plate. It was a small sedan with lightly tinted windows. I pulled up to tell the driver the plate was missing. He was on the phone with one hand, had a cigarette in the other and said in a "mind your own business" tone that he had just bought the car. As they had to use the visitor gate going into Largo, I used the resident gate and was once again ahead of them in the golf cart lane. As they passed, the passenger, another young male, flipped a lit cigarette right in front of me. I had no ill intent and just shook my head at their bad manners.:confused::confused::confused::confused:

[BobnBev]

What would the sheriff do?

Well,the Sheriff would meet with you, take a sworn statement and either
go to the violator and issue him/her an infraction, or apply for an arrest
warrant and have any other police officer make the apprehension.

Of course, as the complainant, you would have to appear in court to testify
as to what happened.

The license plate # is Prima Facie proof that the owner is the operator.

[rubicon]

In my humble opinion this sort of thing is rare in comparison to the whole of The Villages. Think about the number of smiling faces greeting you each day. Recall the little acts of kindness from people you never saw before that moment. Remember the causal small talk by golfers as they check in at the starter shacks.

The one issue I find that is not exaggerated here is the quality of the majority of people here. In seven years I can't count on one hand the number of people I would avoid. This The Villages does well.:a040:

[DougB]

In my humble opinion this sort of thing is rare in comparison to the whole of The Villages. Think about the number of smiling faces greeting you each day. Recall the little acts of kindness from people you never saw before that moment. Remember the causal small talk by golfers as they check in at the starter shacks.

The one issue I find that is not exaggerated here is the quality of the majority of people here. In seven years I can't count on one hand the number of people I would avoid. This The Villages does well.:a040:

I agree with Rubicon. OP, take that frown and turn it upside down. Look at the bright side. He thought you were visiting grandma and grandpa with your kids driving around in a rented cart. Must have thought you were very young looking!

[karostay]

When my lovely wife and I first arrived in the Villages.
Just like everyone else we didn't know North from South nor East from West.
It was learning curve for sure but so adventurous.
This particular day we were coming to an intersection not wanting to make a wrong turn as we were approaching the intersection my was wife was looking at the map to make our decision as to which way to turn.
The cart behind us started bowing it's horn.When we reach the stop sign.I got out of the cart and stated to diver behind us .I'm sorry but I'm sure you were once just like us.
I wish I had a camera the look on his face was stunning

[KeepingItReal]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobnBev View Post
I hope you got his plate # and called the Sheriff.


What would the sheriff do?


Nothing! It's a he said, he said.......

[buggyone]

When my lovely wife and I first arrived in the Villages.
Just like everyone else we didn't know North from South nor East from West.
It was learning curve for sure but so adventurous.
This particular day we were coming to an intersection not wanting to make a wrong turn as we were approaching the intersection my was wife was looking at the map to make our decision as to which way to turn.
The cart behind us started bowing it's horn.When we reach the stop sign.I got out of the cart and stated to diver behind us .I'm sorry but I'm sure you were once just like us.
I wish I had a camera the look on his face was stunning

That is most unusual in The Villages. Whenever a golf cart is pulled over to the side of the road or multi-modal trail and a person is reading a map, there will usually be two or three carts stop and see if they can help in any way. Most of the time, one of the helping carts will just say "follow me" and lead them to the street they are looking for.

Don't judge all by this one incident.

[PJUCTH]

Hardly matters which gate. I have to ask myself everyday . It doesn't matter if in my golf cart,car or riding my bike. I find myself asking myself too often. Do we really start valuing life so little after 55? Never mind behaving like that in front of children. Probably the same kind of person self righteously claiming on the Zimmerman posts that if kids had better examples and were not becoming baby Daddy's . These things wouldn't happen

[DougB]

I'm going to need to go get my secret decoding ring! Zimmerman? Baby Daddy's

[fb32162]

Thought I would give you all a final update on our week with the kids. As many of you have pointed out, and as we have witnessed in our 2+ yrs here, this guy was simply being a jerk and his actions were a rare exception to how most people behave here in TV. What has been really great has been the number of people who wave to the kids as we drive by in the golf cart. They keep asking if we know the people waving to them (which most of the time, we don't). We just remind them we live in the friendliest home town

[BobnBev]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobnBev View Post
I hope you got his plate # and called the Sheriff.





Nothing! It's a he said, he said.......

Good info from a non law enforcement person. I stand by my post
with 38 years of L/E experience. :kiss::police:

[KeepingItReal]

:):):)Quote:
Originally Posted by BobnBev View Post
I hope you got his plate # and called the Sheriff.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter View Post
What would the sheriff do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobnBev View Post
Well,the Sheriff would meet with you, take a sworn statement and either
go to the violator and issue him/her an infraction, or apply for an arrest
warrant and have any other police officer make the apprehension.
Of course, as the complainant, you would have to appear in court to testify
as to what happened.
The license plate # is Prima Facie proof that the owner is the operator.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KeepingItReal *View Post
Nothing they can do! It's a he said, he said.......

Good info from a non law enforcement person. I stand by my post
with 38 years of L/E experience. :kiss::police:

That won't impress them either. Call them and find out for yourself. Unless they witnessed it they won't/can't do anything and probably rightfully so. Prima Facie might identify who owns the vehicle but would not prove the owner to be the driver and could be disproved easily. One person's opinion (though they truly believe it) of what happened may be totally incorrect or different from what actually happened in a lot of cases. Cannot imagine the number of lawsuits for false charges and/or libel and slander if one person's even sworn word was taken over another's without any other proof being offered. The courts would never be able to hear all the cases. :read:

[BobnBev]

:):):)Quote:
Originally Posted by BobnBev View Post
I hope you got his plate # and called the Sheriff.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter View Post
What would the sheriff do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobnBev View Post
Well,the Sheriff would meet with you, take a sworn statement and either
go to the violator and issue him/her an infraction, or apply for an arrest
warrant and have any other police officer make the apprehension.
Of course, as the complainant, you would have to appear in court to testify
as to what happened.
The license plate # is Prima Facie proof that the owner is the operator.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KeepingItReal *View Post
Nothing they can do! It's a he said, he said.......



That won't impress them either. Call them and find out for yourself. Unless they witnessed it they won't/can't do anything and probably rightfully so. Prima Facie might identify who owns the vehicle but would not prove the owner to be the driver and could be disproved easily. One person's opinion (though they truly believe it) of what happened may be totally incorrect or different from what actually happened in a lot of cases. Cannot imagine the number of lawsuits for false charges and/or libel and slander if one person's even sworn word was taken over another's without any other proof being offered. The courts would never be able to hear all the cases. :read:

I certainly won't argue with you here, because you don't know the law.

I have made several arrests, based on what I posted, and have not lost 1 of those cases. An officer is a reporting agent for the court. It's up to the court to decide the case. Law specifies that in certain motor vehicle violations, prima facie evidence places the registered owner as the driver.
If the owner says he wasn't driving, then he has to divulge, to the court, who was driving.

[KeepingItReal]

I certainly won't argue with you here, because you don't know the law.

I have made several arrests, based on what I posted, and have not lost 1 of those cases. An officer is a reporting agent for the court. It's up to the court to decide the case. Law specifies that in certain motor vehicle violations, prima facie evidence places the registered owner as the driver.
If the owner says he wasn't driving, then he has to divulge, to the court, who was driving.

Don't know where you made all those arrests but it will never happen here and this is where the incident happened, and I do know a bit about the law, more than you think I'm sure.

Really it doesn't even clear the common sense hurdle. Try it out with Sumter County and see for yourself.........

[Villageshooter]

Don't know where you made all those arrests but it will never happen here and this is where the incident happened, and I do know a bit about the law, more than you think I'm sure.

Really it doesn't even clear the common sense hurdle. Try it out with Sumter County and see for yourself.........

that is why Barney kept his bullet in his front shirt pocket! calmer heads always prevail!
i never get upset with people and there driving or actions,,,, just keep ur self safe an in 30 seconds it will not make any difference,,, lets just hope aunt bea has an apple pie! (that is what is important! ).

[Russ_Boston]

Well,the Sheriff would meet with you, take a sworn statement and either
go to the violator and issue him/her an infraction, or apply for an arrest
warrant and have any other police officer make the apprehension.

Of course, as the complainant, you would have to appear in court to testify
as to what happened.

The license plate # is Prima Facie proof that the owner is the operator.

That's great news. So all I have to do to that guy I hate down the street is call the sheriff and SAY he did something with no real proof except his car license #. Awesome - thanks for the advice.

Don't think justice could really work that way unfortunately.

[BobnBev]

That's great news. So all I have to do to that guy I hate down the street is call the sheriff and SAY he did something with no real proof except his car license #. Awesome - thanks for the advice.

Don't think justice could really work that way unfortunately.

Russ, I think you missed the part that said sworn statement. When you swear to something under oath, and it turns out to be not true, then you would most likely be arrested for perjury. Not a pleasant thought.

BTW, not like you to be sarcastic, bad day at the hospital?

[Russ_Boston]

Russ, I think you missed the part that said sworn statement. When you swear to something under oath, and it turns out to be not true, then you would most likely be arrested for perjury. Not a pleasant thought.

BTW, not like you to be sarcastic, bad day at the hospital?


Just came back from vacation.

Heck - I can see some people swearing to something if they really wanted to get back at someone. I really don't think a court can rule just on someone's word (sworn or not) without any visual (like a cell phone recording), physical or witness testimony. I just don't see it happening. Wouldn't be real justice would it?

If someone did that to me without any evidence I'd find some way to bring THEM to court for character assassination or something like that.