MacDonald Changes Recipe

[lightworker888]

Just read this and thought it was worth sharing. It may be old news to some. I also liked the links to related info at the bottom of the page. Another example of the increase and rise in consciousness that is going on.

Jamie Oliver Campaign makes McDonald (http://documentarylovers.com/news/jamie-oliver-campaign-makes-mcdonalds-change-recipe/)


LW888

[jimbo2012]

All the chickens U buy are washed with ammonium hydroxide also

[Bogie Shooter]

All the chickens U buy are washed with ammonium hydroxide also

Good that eliminates most of the bird flu virus!

[asianthree]

have not been in more than 5 years...but can you really change fast food

[lightworker888]

It still has me baffled why people don't connect the rise of fast food and the rise in obesity. It seems like such an obvious link. I guess it is correlated to the graph for nutritional consciousness and self empowerment. There is so much info and everyone has their priorities and their avenues of access and circles of influence. It really is a very complex scenario. (sigh)

LW888

[NotGolfer]

Fast food, prepared foods (in the grocery stores) along with a lot of gluten in more items than you know are contributing to the obesity rate.

Have been told to shop the perimeter of the store and stay away from the middle of the store ---- one would be much healthier!!

[Indydealmaker]

I still believe that this rabid opposition to "Fast Food" is based upon junk science and adaptive convenience assumptions. The Health Food Junkies continue to ignore the proven fact that sufficient physical activity consumes all of those evil calories.

Typical of all health "studies", those that support the ban of soft drinks, cheeseburgers and french fries as "all of a sudden" single handedly causing obesity forget to focus on the fact that our children as well as adults are far less active than they were even 20 years ago. Video games, texting, computer based jobs are the true culprits that should be charged with the "national obesity crimes".

Unfortunately, it is easier and more convenient to indict food in lieu of attacking the more challenging cause of obesity. Even our schools are at fault. Gone are the pervasive and "not fun" calisthenics during daily Phys Ed. In its place are "soft" games.

That is my two cents for the day.

[lightworker888]

I agree that movement is also a major factor in the rise of obesity. However have you watched Supersize Me? It is a real eyeopener regarding the affect on our health if we continue as a nation to eat fast food more. Macdonald's was the focus of the movie, but I would venture to say that most of the others are similar.

LW888

[rubicon]

I usually stay away from fast food places. It is why I submitted the thread regarding Drive-In Diners and Dives (DD&D). Because why some people may reject big food at DD&D's at least it is real food.

The subject concerning obesity is complex in that there are a number of reasons. First it seems the definition of obesity continues to change. The BMI measurement has been challenged, the comparison of height to weight continues to be adjusted, etc. The causes vary from some of it being genetic, some poor eating habits, some lack of exercise.

When it comes to disease again there are related issues.

Finally it seems difficult to rely on the health claims of food companies, supplements etc. I mean WHO YOU GONNA BELIEVE

[jimbo2012]

First it seems the definition of obesity continues to change. The BMI measurement has been challenged, the comparison of height to weight continues to be adjusted, etc. I mean WHO YOU GONNA BELIEVE

Not sure about the definition, but the mirror and or scale is forever telling.

BMI is simple, you need a # in low 20's, 21 or 22 can be derived via many formulas, so can a 26 or 28.

the ? is are you in low 20's or not, believe that :shrug:

[justjim]

Why do we always blame "fast food" for obesity? People need to take responsibility for themselves. McDonald's is not to blame----people just eat too much and drink too much sugar drinks and snacks period. We eat at McDonalds occasionally and drink their good coffee often and are not even close to being overweight. I firmly believe its not so much what you eat but how much!

[rubicon]

Not sure about the definition, but the mirror and or scale is forever telling.

BMI is simple, you need a # in low 20's, 21 or 22 can be derived via many formulas, so can a 26 or 28.

the ? is are you in low 20's or not, believe that :shrug:

Hi jimbo: It is my understanding that the BMI factor does not distinguish between fat and muscle in its measurement. As for the mirror and the scale based on experts my weight should be 180. If I went down to 180 I would be skin and bone. I lost 30 pounds from my highest weight and have been holding for some time. I feel good and strong, My clothes fit comfortably
( I actually need a belt) and I don't look like emaciated.:D

I do exercise regularly and I do balance out the foods I eat and eat in moderation

[Villages PL]

I still believe that this rabid opposition to "Fast Food" is based upon junk science and adaptive convenience assumptions. The Health Food Junkies continue to ignore the proven fact that sufficient physical activity consumes all of those evil calories.

No amount of physical activity will change the fact that fast food generally lacks sufficient fiber and other important nutrients. It's mainly fatty, salty, sugary and high in calories. And burgers are served on white-flour buns. Calories certainly are not "evil" unless that's mainly all you are getting from a meal (i.e. foods high in calories and low in nutrients). That's not junk science, that's nutrition 101. By the way, where is the science that says junk-food is healthful?

Typical of all health "studies", those that support the ban of soft drinks, cheeseburgers and french fries as "all of a sudden" single handedly causing obesity forget to focus on the fact that our children as well as adults are far less active than they were even 20 years ago. Video games, texting, computer based jobs are the true culprits that should be charged with the "national obesity crimes".

I keep hearing from those who promote junk-food that health-food advocates want to "ban soft drinks, cheeseburgers and french fries". Really? When has anyone ever called for a ban on any of those items?

Unfortunately, it is easier and more convenient to indict food in lieu of attacking the more challenging cause of obesity. Even our schools are at fault. Gone are the pervasive and "not fun" calisthenics during daily Phys Ed. In its place are "soft" games.

Junk food has become so pervasive today that exercise alone will not fix the obesity problem. It's mainly the fast food industry that promotes the idea that exercise alone will fix it. But even if exercise alone could fix it, what about nutrition? We don't need it?

[Villages PL]

Here's a book that explains how fast food restaurants operate. You'll learn about some of the PR tricks they use to keep up their public immage, among other things. I havn't finished reading it yet but, so far, I find it very informative.

"Appetite For Profit: How The Food Industry Undermines Our Health And How To Fight Back" by Michelle Simon

[graciegirl]

Here's a book that explains how fast food restaurants operate. You'll learn about some of the PR tricks they use to keep up their public immage, among other things. I havn't finished reading it yet but, so far, I find it very informative.

"Appetite For Profit: How The Food Industry Undermines Our Health And How To Fight Back" by Michelle Simon


I find that quite simple. If you think that certain restaurants are undermining your health don't go to them.

How else would you "fight back"?

Everyone is entitled to their own choices in food unless that is going to be government regulated too. No health insurance for you even if you worked all of your life for that benefit and have always managed to get it for yourself

Nope. The government saw you at McDonalds and traced you there with your very own cell phone.

Scary.

Summary below by Publishers weekly.


Publishers Weekly

Simon, a health policy expert and law professor, skewers the food industry for undermining the health of Americans with "nutrient deficient factory made pseudofoods." In lawyerly fashion, she explains the ABCs of the business imperative of "Big Food" (Coca-Cola, Kraft Foods and McDonald's, among many others): make short-term profit without regard to the product's nutritional value or societal effects. Permissible tactics, she says, include false advertising, sham "healthy" food initiatives and co-opting the government, press and academia. Simon also argues that food-industry advocates use front groups to attack critics and spread misinformation about nutritional needs. Simon also chastises her fellow food activists for applauding all "steps in the right direction," no matter how inadequate; the press for its passive publication of scientifically dubious industry statements; and the government for abandoning effective regulation of the food industry. Her case made, Simon offers a host of suggestions and a manual-like set of directions to parents and other food activists on how to work with legislatures, school boards and the media to create a "just food system" that is "sustainable, affordable, accessible, and convenient." (Nov.) Copyright 2006 Reed Business Information.

[Villages PL]

I find that quite simple. If you think that certain restaurants are undermining your health don't go to them.

I agree. I mostly don't go unless, on rare occasion, my friend suggests going to Subway, KFC, or Wendy's because it happens to be quick and convient. At Wendy's I tried the chili and side salad which I thought was okay in a pinch.

How else would you "fight back"?

I don't know. I didn't get a chance to finish the book. The library got it from out of the county so I couldn't renew it. I don't like reading the same book for long periods of time. To me it gets to be a chore. So I only read 5 chapters. In order to finish it, I ordered my own copy, but that will take about a week to 10 days before I get it. I'll let you know how it turns out.


Summary below by Publishers weekly.

The summary below seems accurate.


Publishers Weekly

Simon, a health policy expert and law professor, skewers the food industry for undermining the health of Americans with "nutrient deficient factory made pseudofoods." In lawyerly fashion, she explains the ABCs of the business imperative of "Big Food" (Coca-Cola, Kraft Foods and McDonald's, among many others): make short-term profit without regard to the product's nutritional value or societal effects. Permissible tactics, she says, include false advertising, sham "healthy" food initiatives and co-opting the government, press and academia. Simon also argues that food-industry advocates use front groups to attack critics and spread misinformation about nutritional needs. Simon also chastises her fellow food activists for applauding all "steps in the right direction," no matter how inadequate; the press for its passive publication of scientifically dubious industry statements; and the government for abandoning effective regulation of the food industry. Her case made, Simon offers a host of suggestions and a manual-like set of directions to parents and other food activists on how to work with legislatures, school boards and the media to create a "just food system" that is "sustainable, affordable, accessible, and convenient." (Nov.) Copyright 2006 Reed Business Information.

[Villages PL]

Why do we always blame "fast food" for obesity? People need to take responsibility for themselves. McDonald's is not to blame----people just eat too much and drink too much sugar drinks and snacks period. We eat at McDonalds occasionally and drink their good coffee often and are not even close to being overweight. I firmly believe its not so much what you eat but how much!

We don't always blame fast food for obesity. But fast food is definitely out there as a contributing factor. For some people, it can't be ignored when it's everywhere. Since fast food vendors have been around for several decades and the fast food market has just about reached its saturation point, it looks like normal food to people who grew up with it.
When I was growing up, I never saw a fast food restaurant, or supermarket, until I was about 16 years old. By then my habits were pretty much formed.

Today, babies, toddlers, and pre-teens are taken to fast food places all the time. Their parents and grandparents grew up in a fast food environment. People don't think of it as bad because they grew up with it. And once they're addicted to high fat, high sodium, high sugar, low fiber, and low vegetables, even if they subsequently learn that it's not normal food, it becomes difficult for them to resist it's allure. They're hooked.

The food companies have become experts at hooking people. Remember the ad they once had for potato chips? "Bet you can't eat just one." They were bragging about the addictive quality of their product.

[wendyquat]

I haven't been able to eat fast food burgers since reading the book, Toxin, 20 years ago!barf

[graciegirl]

We don't always blame fast food for obesity. But fast food is definitely out there as a contributing factor. For some people, it can't be ignored when it's everywhere. Since fast food vendors have been around for several decades and the fast food market has just about reached its saturation point, it looks like normal food to people who grew up with it.
When I was growing up, I never saw a fast food restaurant, or supermarket, until I was about 16 years old. By then my habits were pretty much formed.

Today, babies, toddlers, and pre-teens are taken to fast food places all the time. Their parents and grandparents grew up in a fast food environment. People don't think of it as bad because they grew up with it. And once they're addicted to high fat, high sodium, high sugar, low fiber, and low vegetables, even if they subsequently learn that it's not normal food, it becomes difficult for them to resist it's allure. They're hooked.

The food companies have become experts at hooking people. Remember the ad they once had for potato chips? "Bet you can't eat just one." They were bragging about the addictive quality of their product.

I think that is just a little too simple. Even if the food companies didn't advertise and you can't blame them for promoting their business, that is the American way...even if they didn't.

There would still be people who chose food that was not healthy. They would not insist their children try everything so that they could get used to "what is good for you" and they would be too lazy to cook. They would still have tummies as they grow older unless they have unusual genes and they would still have difficulty keeping up the level of exercise that is needed for optimum health because we all are a little lazy.

There would be people from every background and every economic level who ate healthily but not perfectly by other peoples standards.

My view is to "run your own railroad and let me run mine."

[Villages PL]

I think that is just a little too simple. Even if the food companies didn't advertise and you can't blame them for promoting their business, that is the American way...even if they didn't.

You made the assumption that I blame them for promoting their business when I was just holding a mirror up to reality, to show what exists. Fast food promotion is a fact of life that everyone is exposed to, period.

There would still be people who chose food that was not healthy.

Obviously. Are you assuming I thought otherwise? I wasn't in anyway suggesting what you are assuming. I was simply expressing my rational as to why things are different today than when I was a kid.


They would not insist their children try everything so that they could get used to "what is good for you" and they would be too lazy to cook. They would still have tummies as they grow older unless they have unusual genes and they would still have difficulty keeping up the level of exercise that is needed for optimum health because we all are a little lazy.

Are you saying that's what would happen if there were no more advertising? If that's the case, I would tend to agree. But that's based on your big assumption that I was suggesting there should be no more advertising.

There would be people from every background and every economic level who ate healthily but not perfectly by other peoples standards.

You're making more (perhaps emotional?) assumptions: Eating "perfectly by other peoples standards"?

My view is to "run your own railroad and let me run mine."

Because I tryed to explain how things are different today than they were when I was a kid, you think I'm trying to run your railroad?