Beware leaving garage door open

[DENNIS G]

We have a friend that lives on Simpson Street in Mallory. Last week they were working in their back yard by Stillwater Trail and their house was entered by someone and stole a lot of jewelery, I Pad, coins, and other money. Entry was thru the garage. The week before their neighbor 3 houses away had their car stolen from their open garage, while they were taking a nap. This past week end there were eight or ten deputies and 3 state troopers in unmarked cars patroling aroung Bishopville Loop and down Hengan Place. I later found out that a car was stolen from the garage or attemped to be on Bishopville Loop but don't have any other information. Just Beware and keep your Door Closed.

[buggyone]

An savvy person would not leave their front door open. Why would someone leave their garage door open that leads into the house via an unlocked door?

That is not in a new construction area. It takes a lot of nerve to go into a house when the owner is in the backyard. Obviously someone is watching others to know what they are doing. Culprit probably is a visiting child in that area.

[billethkid]

one can only conclude some folks are not only leaving their garage door open but may also leaving their keys in the car.

In addition to the two legged snakes one has to be mindfull of snakes and gators venturing into open garages.

There are just some basic rules of safety, no matter where you live. If you would not leave your front door open, why would you leave the garage door open?

Good luck.

btk

[downeaster]

An savvy person would not leave their front door open. Why would someone leave their garage door open that leads into the house via an unlocked door?

That is not in a new construction area. It takes a lot of nerve to go into a house when the owner is in the backyard. Obviously someone is watching others to know what they are doing. Culprit probably is a visiting child in that area.

How did you arrive at that conclusion? We have visiting children in our neighborhood frequently. Are they all suspect?

[BobnBev]

I frequently take my morning walk between 3 and 5 AM, in Malloy. It goes without fail, that I see at least one garage door wide open. I thought Neighborhood Watch would alert these people. The most I've seen open at one time is 4.

[capecodbob]

I frequently take my morning walk between 3 and 5 AM, in Malloy. It goes without fail, that I see at least one garage door wide open. I thought Neighborhood Watch would alert these people. The most I've seen open at one time is 4.

We left our garage door open one night (all night). Neighborhood watch called around 11pm, and again at 2am. They wanted to know if we were ok or if we were having any problems. Could not thank them enough.
Nice to know they're keeping an eye out for us.

BB

[Indydealmaker]

I frequently take my morning walk between 3 and 5 AM, in Malloy. It goes without fail, that I see at least one garage door wide open. I thought Neighborhood Watch would alert these people. The most I've seen open at one time is 4.
Most of the time, community watch vehicles speed up and down our court so fast that there is no way they could even see an open door.

[Indydealmaker]

An savvy person would not leave their front door open. Why would someone leave their garage door open that leads into the house via an unlocked door?

That is not in a new construction area. It takes a lot of nerve to go into a house when the owner is in the backyard. Obviously someone is watching others to know what they are doing. Culprit probably is a visiting child in that area.

Lots of our friends leave their garage doors open if they face west to keep the heat from building up in the garage. We do from time to time, but we have a motion sensor that will alert us to anyone entering the garage. It is easy to hear even from the backyard and lanai.

[Jim 9922]

we have a motion sensor that will alert us to anyone entering the garage. It is easy to hear even from the backyard and lanai.
Seems like a good idea. What is the brand, where did you get it, how easy is it to install, where is the alarm, need wiring or is it electronic broadcast, plus any other info you think would be of interest. Thanks:2excited::pepper2:

[CFrance]

Well, thanks to the OP for this reminder. I just noticed DH left keys in both cars' ignitions, and the garage door open.

[Indydealmaker]

Seems like a good idea. What is the brand, where did you get it, how easy is it to install, where is the alarm, need wiring or is it electronic broadcast, plus any other info you think would be of interest. Thanks:2excited::pepper2:

It is super cheap. Super easy to use. No installation. Battery operated. Got mine at "As Seen On TV" store up on 441 or you can buy online.

18104

[eca44]

How did you arrive at that conclusion? We have visiting children in our neighborhood frequently. Are they all suspect?

It is possible that someone may have an opener with the same frequency.

[Topspinmo]

"It is possible that someone may have an opener with the same frequency" Depending on how old the system.. Most older openers have 4 or 5 digit 4 roll frequency set where you slip the numbers from 1 to 5 making new combination to change the Frequency. Some thief's drive around with an opener till the have hit. Especially new systems cause you have go in and manually reset the factory setting, otherwise if I buy new one it maybe set on same Frequency?.

[buggyone]

"How did you arrive at that conclusion? We have visiting children in our neighborhood frequently. Are they all suspect?"

Bold burglaries in the same neighborhood while school is out of session and children/grandchildren are visiting in the neighborhood. Are they all suspect? No, just those who know what is valuable to steal.

Keep your garage doors down and the keys to your carts and cars well inside the house - not hanging on a hook by a door, either. I have talked to a few friends here in The Villages and they normally keep their car keys in the car and cart keys in the cart while in the garage. What can you say?

[herbaru]

"How did you arrive at that conclusion? We have visiting children in our neighborhood frequently. Are they all suspect?"

Bold burglaries in the same neighborhood while school is out of session and children/grandchildren are visiting in the neighborhood. Are they all suspect? No, just those who know what is valuable to steal.

Keep your garage doors down and the keys to your carts and cars well inside the house - not hanging on a hook by a door, either. I have talked to a few friends here in The Villages and they normally keep their car keys in the car and cart keys in the cart while in the garage. What can you say?

I'm wondering where do you think these children are hiding the cars???

[Mimivillager]

Lots of our friends leave their garage doors open if they face west to keep the heat from building up in the garage. We do from time to time, but we have a motion sensor that will alert us to anyone entering the garage. It is easy to hear even from the backyard and lanai.

How annoying is that motion censor when you are working around your garage? I might be interested in getting one.

[jblum315]

"How did you arrive at that conclusion? We have visiting children in our neighborhood frequently. Are they all suspect?"

Bold burglaries in the same neighborhood while school is out of session and children/grandchildren are visiting in the neighborhood. Are they all suspect? No, just those who know what is valuable to steal.

Keep your garage doors down and the keys to your carts and cars well inside the house - not hanging on a hook by a door, either. I have talked to a few friends here in The Villages and they normally keep their car keys in the car and cart keys in the cart while in the garage. What can you say?

I say you can't fix stupid. I would never leave my keys in the car/cart. Never have, never will. Besides, if I did,I would look for them in the house and wouldn't be able to find them!

[twinklesweep]

"It is possible that someone may have an opener with the same frequency" Depending on how old the system.. Most older openers have 4 or 5 digit 4 roll frequency set where you slip the numbers from 1 to 5 making new combination to change the Frequency. Some thief's drive around with an opener till the have hit. Especially new systems cause you have go in and manually reset the factory setting, otherwise if I buy new one it maybe set on same Frequency?.

It is possible that that "someone" with an opener that uses the same frequency has it with criminal intent in mind (and assuredly NOT visiting children). A while back there was an issue of criminals riding around with garage door openers just trying till they happened to hit on one that worked.

My suggestion would be to get the instructions for reprogramming your garage door openers and doing so. I did this and feel more secure as a result. If your garage door was installed by Ro-Mac (on Rolling Acres Road), as mine was, they can give you the instructions or tell you where to find it. If not Ro-Mac (or someone else local), it should be available online.

As far as Community Watch is concerned, I've never seen them race through here, if anything the opposite: I see them drive by slowly looking one way or the other, and if I'm out in the driveway area they invariably make eye contact with me.

I agree with those who point out the foolishness of creating an "invitation" by leaving the garage doors open.

[rubicon]

In fairness and in the interest of balance another possible reason a garage door is left opened is that there is a defect such as the laser unit misaligned which prevents a garage door from closing. It is easy to believe once you pushed the button that the door is closing and you walk away.

If the reason people are leaving their garage doors up is heat I might suggest that there are several companies that offer screen for garages. We purchased an overhead screen door that serves that problem well.

[Jim 9922]

It is super cheap. Super easy to use. No installation. Battery operated. Got mine at "As Seen On TV" store up on 441 or you can buy online.

18104

Thanks for the quick response. I'm off to the store.:crap2:

[gomoho]

I admit it I'm STUPID - have left the keys in the car while it is parked in the garage for
the last 40 years. Only time it backfired is once when I was taking a shower and my mom who has dementia got in the car and drove off. All's well that ends well. Thank goodness. Always thought that was one of the benefits of a garage - leaving the keys in the ignition.

[CFrance]

I say you can't fix stupid. I would never leave my keys in the car/cart. Never have, never will. Besides, if I did,I would look for them in the house and wouldn't be able to find them!

That's funny, jblum. The reason we started leaving keys in the car was because we kept looking for them in the house and weren't able to find them! But we lived in an out-of-the-way neighborhood, with a 300-foot driveway well off sight of the road.

But you can fix stupid. :pray: We are no longer going to keep keys in the cars.

[CFrance]

I'm wondering where do you think these children are hiding the cars???

Good point.

Maybe a car-theft ring? Also, to my albeit uneducated-in-thievery mind, these incidents sound like the work of more experienced people. To rob someone blind while they're in their backyard takes an awful lot of nerve. If they were kids, they've been at it a long time.

[NoMoSno]

Its not that hard to open a closed door.

Protecting your home from a garage door-opener break-in - YouTube

If a thief is determined to get in, he/she will...:grumpy:

[senior citizen]

We have a friend that lives on Simpson Street in Mallory. Last week they were working in their back yard by Stillwater Trail and their house was entered by someone and stole a lot of jewelery, I Pad, coins, and other money. Entry was thru the garage. The week before their neighbor 3 houses away had their car stolen from their open garage, while they were taking a nap. This past week end there were eight or ten deputies and 3 state troopers in unmarked cars patroling aroung Bishopville Loop and down Hengan Place. I later found out that a car was stolen from the garage or attemped to be on Bishopville Loop but don't have any other information. Just Beware and keep your Door Closed.

Thanks for posting that. Which village or location would Stillwater Trail be in??? Better safe than sorry, but the audacity of the perps. Again, thanks.

[Bogie Shooter]

Thanks for posting that. Which village or location would Stillwater Trail be in??? Better safe than sorry, but the audacity of the perps. Again, thanks.

Stillwater runs west to east just south of LSL. It then goes east southeast.
Thru village of Caroline & Mallary Square.

You may want to obtain a map of The Villages, $5 at the sales center.

[senior citizen]

I admit it I'm STUPID - have left the keys in the car while it is parked in the garage for
the last 40 years. Only time it backfired is once when I was taking a shower and my mom who has dementia got in the car and drove off. All's well that ends well. Thank goodness. Always thought that was one of the benefits of a garage - leaving the keys in the ignition.

Having cared, in our home, for a mom who had dementia....I had to chuckle. Although it truly is not funny when it happens. Right?

Mine totally FORGOT how to drive so we were lucky that way......
But once while we were all staying in a hotel, adjoining rooms with a connecting door.....she escaped late evening and went down to crash a wedding in the atrium by the pool, in her nightgown, barefooted, with her purse on her arm, looking like Sophia in THE GOLDEN GIRLS.....front desk called us at midnight to come down and get her.......we could never figure out how she opened the deadbolt lock.

But, getting back to the thieves........any type of "invasion" is frightening.
Everyone up here used to leave their doors open, their keys in their cars, etc. but those days are long gone.........

Besides thieves, once our neighbor's little 4 year old boy got into their pickup truck and turned it on....got it rolling down the street which is a hill....luckily his dad spotted him and jumped to the rescue.....

So, whether it is old grannies, little boys or the unwanted thief, better to not leave keys in the car.

[senior citizen]

Stillwater runs west to east just south of LSL. It then goes east southeast.
Thru village of Caroline & Mallary Square.

You may want to obtain a map of The Villages, $5 at the sales center.

Thank you. Now I remember where it is. I do have a map but it's upstairs.
I've been up and down all morning (tri level house).....taking a "rest"....

Appreciate the info.

[senior citizen]

That's funny, jblum. The reason we started leaving keys in the car was because we kept looking for them in the house and weren't able to find them! But we lived in an out-of-the-way neighborhood, with a 300-foot driveway well off sight of the road.

But you can fix stupid. :pray: We are no longer going to keep keys in the cars.

Like you, our daughter and her family live in a rural area with a 600 foot long dirt driveway leading up from the two town dirt roads.......so they no doubt feel "safe" as who could find them in the middle of the forest? However, I worry when they always leave their doors wide open and their keys in all the vehicles........as sometimes these out of the way neighborhoods can be more easily burglarized than where homes are closer together and neighbors keep an eye out for each other...............

[graciegirl]

I first had to wonder if this information was recircled information having to do with a golf cart stolen from a garage in Mallory or Caroline and found nearby in a parking lot. It happened about a year ago when a person went out early to get the paper and forgot to close the garage door. I think I remember that the cart was intact with everything on it. I thought at that time it might have been kids. There was also two breakins in the area north of 466 off Buena Vista about that time and jewelry was taken. It was the adult son of a resident that was caught.

However I probably am wrong as the OP said this was recent. Sometimes when you get information about something it is all a collective jumble and mostly right, but not entirely right.

[rivergirl409]

Most of the time, community watch vehicles speed up and down our court so fast that there is no way they could even see an open door.

LOL - They have come around my cul-de-sac so fast their vehicle is on two wheels.

[graciegirl]

LOL - They have come around my cul-de-sac so fast their vehicle is on two wheels.


Bad driving from the little white trucks????????????

That isn't our experience at all. Kudo's to The Village Watch. They...well...they watch.

[NotGolfer]

I heard this whole story at the rec center....'someone who lives by someone, who got robbed told someone'....so again this is how stories perpetuate. I'm not negating the whole thing as not being true as it maybe is. BUT on a social network like this...it's like that old game of "telephone" we played as kids. By the time it gets around, the whole thing is much different than the original happening.

Will we keep our garage door up...probably!

[Indydealmaker]

How annoying is that motion censor when you are working around your garage? I might be interested in getting one.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that part. It is a bit annoying. If you can, try to put the sensor outside of the garage.

[Halibut]

I wonder if it's the same group of thieves targeting TV? I doesn't seem like it would typically be attractive to burglars because there are too many neighbors around during the day.

Community Watch knocked at a friend's house one night recently to let them know their garage door was open ... they in fact had forgotten to close it and weren't aware. They also had a problem with their opener controlling their neighbor's door. Resetting the code didn't help and they had to get the door repair guy out.

[buggyone]

Personally, I would take any story like this with a grain of salt. There is the police incident report one day a week in the Daily Sun that gives where burglaries, robberies, etc are reported. I have not seen any reports of homes in The Villages being the victims of crimes.

Let the bashing of the Daily Sun begin! :rant-rave: :swear: :rant-rave:

[mickey100]

A couple of years ago there was a "rumor" about a woman's house being robbed of jewelry, her safe was broken into if I recall. A few weeks after I heard the rumor, I happened to be standing in line to sign up for a golf tournament, and I heard two people talking, and one of them was the actual woman who had been robbed. So yes, it does happen here, don't fool yourselves.

[graciegirl]

A couple of years ago there was a "rumor" about a woman's house being robbed of jewelry, her safe was broken into if I recall. A few weeks after I heard the rumor, I happened to be standing in line to sign up for a golf tournament, and I heard two people talking, and one of them was the actual woman who had been robbed. So yes, it does happen here, don't fool yourselves.

I also believe that just like anywhere else, there ARE some faked burglaries and insurance fraud going on. There are all kinds of ways to be bad.

[DENNIS G]

Personally, I would take any story like this with a grain of salt. There is the police incident report one day a week in the Daily Sun that gives where burglaries, robberies, etc are reported. I have not seen any reports of homes in The Villages being the victims of crimes.

Let the bashing of the Daily Sun begin! :rant-rave: :swear: :rant-rave:

YOU WON'T SEE THIS IN THE VILLAGES DAILY SUN only outside the villages

[deegeek]

Harbor Freight Tools sells wireless driveway alert systems. Battery operated. I fasten the outside unit with a plastic tie to my light post. Inside unit can be turned on and off. About $20.00

[billethkid]

100,000 plus residents....there just has to be somebody doing something wrong or bad every day......but we should think about the other 99,999 of us that didn't (that day).

And we all know nobody would tell a tall tale or bend the truth.....no siree bob....not on an anonymous forum right:a20:

btk

[duffysmom]

I find it hard to understand why people have a hard time believing the fact that there are robberies in TV. There are 100,000 people living here and opportunists abound. Recently I was having my garage floor painted and left some items out on the lawn, guess what, someone came along and took a trunk in broad daylight. I know, you want to tell me he thought it was garbage; I myself would never ASSUME that something on the lawn was fair pickins. It was obvious that work was being done on the driveway as well as the garage floor. I consider this a trivial matter but i also know my home and person need to be protected at all times by being vigilent and locking doors. It's the only intelligent thing to do.

[DougB]

Darn kids

[Vet69]

That's what Glock's are used for! :a20:

[graciegirl]

It isn't that I don't think that crimes can and are committed here. I just also know that many rumors are started and catch on like wild fire.

I originally thought, when reading the first post that it could have been this story somehow retold. Same area.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/sad-report-golf-cart-theft-47313/

[getdul981]

One of our neighbors, who USED to leave the gaarage door open, saw a snake in the garage last week. As I said, they USED to leave their garage door open.

[DianeM]

Seems kinda careless to leave easy access to your home. We may live in The Villages with a false sense of security but there are creeps everywhere.

[CFrance]

One of our neighbors, who USED to leave the gaarage door open, saw a snake in the garage last week. As I said, they USED to leave their garage door open.

See, you CAN fix stupid!

[gomoho]

Okay, then I'll say I'm stubborn - and I know you can't fix that. Garage door is left 1/3 of the way open to allow heat to escape.

[CFrance]

Okay, then I'll say I'm stubborn - and I know you can't fix that. Garage door is left 1/3 of the way open to allow heat to escape.

'S okay, Gomoho... you be Stubborn and I'll be Stupid!:beer3:

[justjim]

With all due respect, how do you fix paranoid?

[Bogie Shooter]

With all due respect, how do you fix paranoid?

Two fingers of scotch on ice around 5PM!

[CFrance]

With all due respect, how do you fix paranoid?

I was gonna say Dr. Phil, but Bogie has a better idea.

[justjim]

Two fingers of scotch on ice around 5PM!

Good answer----of course, it's 5 o'clock somewhere!

[getdul981]

Okay, then I'll say I'm stubborn - and I know you can't fix that. Garage door is left 1/3 of the way open to allow heat to escape.

If you want to cool the garage, open the window.

[mickey100]

I find it hard to understand why people have a hard time believing the fact that there are robberies in TV. There are 100,000 people living here and opportunists abound. Recently I was having my garage floor painted and left some items out on the lawn, guess what, someone came along and took a trunk in broad daylight. I know, you want to tell me he thought it was garbage; I myself would never ASSUME that something on the lawn was fair pickins. It was obvious that work was being done on the driveway as well as the garage floor. I consider this a trivial matter but i also know my home and person need to be protected at all times by being vigilent and locking doors. It's the only intelligent thing to do.

Great post. Those who think The Villages is completely secure because we have those gates in place that anyone can get through, are just not too smart. And we have some posters, probably affiliated with the developer, that will try to downplay any crime, because they are concerned it may negatively affect housing sales. I do think most people use common sense and realize there are burglaries that take place, and take adequate precautions. We all get lax and it doesn't hurt to be reminded every now and then to lock our front doors and keep the garage door down.

[graciegirl]

Great post. Those who think The Villages is completely secure because we have those gates in place that anyone can get through, are just not too smart. And we have some posters, probably affiliated with the developer, that will try to downplay any crime, because they are concerned it may negatively affect housing sales. I do think most people use common sense and realize there are burglaries that take place, and take adequate precautions. We all get lax and it doesn't hurt to be reminded every now and then to lock our front doors and keep the garage door down.

It isn't completely secure but I would be one of those people who think this place is more safe than most places in the U.S. I come from 73 years of living in places that are low crime and I think this is similar to those places.

Of course we should use common sense. Common sense is looking out the window and not seeing strangers walking around the neighborhood. Common sense is knowing if a yard crew came in to the house to rob it, they wouldn't get very far. Common sense tells you that almost everyone is NOT working but keeping our eye on our stuff and our neighbors stuff and dogs pooping etc.etc. Common sense and gates that anyone could enter doesn't even enter the equation. I don't think robberies, burglaries and vandalism occur much here. We all ride around a lot in our golf carts and we all are watching what is happening and a good many of us are telling what happens here. We come from the ethical generation and most of us are ethical, responsible and aware. That is how we were able to have the smarts to live our lives so we could retire to a great place like this.

A lot of people are positive about this place in a most genuine manner and they are not paid for it. There are some documented cases of moderate thinkers slightly to the right who are honest and fairly smart.

[gomoho]

I don't need common sense - I have to big dogs (aka pooping machines).

[mickey100]

Great post. Those who think The Villages is completely secure because we have those gates in place that anyone can get through, are just not too smart. And we have some posters, probably affiliated with the developer, that will try to downplay any crime, because they are concerned it may negatively affect housing sales. I do think most people use common sense and realize there are burglaries that take place, and take adequate precautions. We all get lax and it doesn't hurt to be reminded every now and then to lock our front doors and keep the garage door down.

We had a contractor do some work not too long ago, and he mentioned he had left a piece of equipment at a client's house by mistake. When he went back to pick it up the next morning, it had gone missing. I have friend who works at one of the pro shops who mentioned that they had part of a golf display stolen, and they ended up catching the guy because he had come in and paid his green fees, then when the clerk went out back for something he had committed the theft, but they caught him on video. There have been instances of golf club thefts from carts at the country clubs when people go in for lunch.

This isn't scary, violent crime, but it obviously happens, in spite of most residents being ethical. And it is not being "negative" to bring up these points, but it is being "helpful" especially to new residents who aren't aware that this type of thing happens. When our foursome plays golf we always try to park our carts where we can see them when we go in for lunch. Some people have bought locks for their bag of clubs, and even locks for the golf carts themselves, since there was a rash of golf cart thefts a few years ago. There is no reason anyone should feel threatened by bringing these facts up.

[graciegirl]

We had a contractor do some work not too long ago, and he mentioned he had left a piece of equipment at a client's house by mistake. When he went back to pick it up the next morning, it had gone missing. I have friend who works at one of the pro shops who mentioned that they had part of a golf display stolen, and they ended up catching the guy because he had come in and paid his green fees, then when the clerk went out back for something he had committed the theft, but they caught him on video. There have been instances of golf club thefts from carts at the country clubs when people go in for lunch.

This isn't scary, violent crime, but it obviously happens, in spite of most residents being ethical. And it is not being "negative" to bring up these points, but it is being "helpful" especially to new residents who aren't aware that this type of thing happens. When our foursome plays golf we always try to park our carts where we can see them when we go in for lunch. Some people have bought locks for their bag of clubs, and even locks for the golf carts themselves, since there was a rash of golf cart thefts a few years ago. There is no reason anyone should feel threatened by bringing these facts up.

I absolutely agree with every word in this post.

[gomoho]

I don't think anyone feels threatened, but do we have to keep beating a dead horse?

[BettyCrocked]

What years of birth cover the "ethical generation" and what years are the unethical generations?

[mickey100]

:clap2:

[graciegirl]

What years of birth cover the "ethical generation" and what years are the unethical generations?


Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.

[BettyCrocked]

I just don't tend to throw people into vast generalizations as much as the "ethical generation" seems to. I know plenty of shysters who are over the age of 55. I also know plenty of youngsters who got a car at 16 and have a lot more morals and ethics than some folks in their 60's.
There are plenty of "I'm entitled" folks over the age of 60. Many seem to think that having lived in the "shoe repair" days makes them entitled to forget about common courtesy and ethics. I see quite a few in TV and even on this message board.

[graciegirl]

I just don't tend to throw people into vast generalizations as much as the "ethical generation" seems to. I know plenty of shysters who are over the age of 55. I also know plenty of youngsters who got a car at 16 and have a lot more morals and ethics than some folks in their 60's.
There are plenty of "I'm entitled" folks over the age of 60. Many seem to think that having lived in the "shoe repair" days makes them entitled to forget about common courtesy and ethics. I see quite a few in TV and even on this message board.


I'll say!

Don't forget mean spirited too.;)

[jbdlfan]

I might add....Who raised the "unethical" generation?????
Who voted for the people that shape the laws of the "unethical" generation?
And finally, the "ethical" generation are the people in Washington now!
Just because you are seasoned, doesn't make you ethical......

[graciegirl]

I might add....Who raised the "unethical" generation?????
Who voted for the people that shape the laws of the "unethical" generation?
And finally, the "ethical" generation are the people in Washington now!
Just because you are seasoned, doesn't make you ethical......

I know you are younger, but no one mentioned any unethical generation.
Those who understand this issue are older.

And you are right of course. I was generally speaking that if you lose your clubs here in this place of OLD people, most of the time they are returned and not pawned.

[birdawg]

From don't leave your garage door open, to unethical genration, we have now come full circle

[graciegirl]

You are SO right. This thread has become toooooooo argumentative with not a judge of who is right.



Or boring???? Which is even worse.

Moderator? Shut me up!

[BobnBev]

Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.

:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:I'm ETHICAL

[mickey100]

I just don't tend to throw people into vast generalizations as much as the "ethical generation" seems to. I know plenty of shysters who are over the age of 55. I also know plenty of youngsters who got a car at 16 and have a lot more morals and ethics than some folks in their 60's.
There are plenty of "I'm entitled" folks over the age of 60. Many seem to think that having lived in the "shoe repair" days makes them entitled to forget about common courtesy and ethics. I see quite a few in TV and even on this message board.

:BigApplause: Nicely said.

[duffysmom]

Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.

[BettyCrocked]

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.

:BigApplause: Well said. Sweeping generalizations can definitely be a generational thing.

[graciegirl]

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.


Duffy's mom. I really DIDN'T mean beating the livin' crap out of kids but I do stand for spanking for the right things or a very strict time out that means time out. AND I did mean making a point about stealing and wrongdoing and KNOWING what the kids were doing because we were the folks who were raising them. I also have fine and upstanding adult grandkids and their friends are as well and they are employed!. I don't think the kids I know are bad but the kids generally seem to be getting into a lot more trouble than when we were kids. I don't recall kids being murderers frequently back then.

I hope I have the same creator you do too. I have high hopes for kids raised a lot like we were raised and a lot like our kids were raised. I remember early on listening to a psychologist who came to speak to a group of us young PTA parents and what he said stuck with me. That you can always take away rules if you have too many, but that kids need absolutes when they are little and the perimeters can be broadened when they grow older. In other words don't start disciplining a teenager, it's too late.

People who sexually abuse kids are still with us and they aren't just priests unfortunately and that in itself makes it even more important to be with children as much as you can if you are their parent. It is not only the big things but the little things. It is the protecting and the cookie giving and the kisses and kindness and hugs and winks and the togetherness that forms a small child's character. AND seeing us forms our children. It isn't what we tell them, it is what we ARE they will become...and that goes for the folks who are the caregivers to todays generation. Important to vette them well.

Things have changed...and some things are for the better and some aren't.

I am sure you are right and I am sure I didn't make my point clearly, It is twice now in 24 hours I have been nailed for exaggeration. I never had the livin' crap beat outa me nor did I beat my children. I did get a few spankings.

[jbdlfan]

It is upsetting to hear that you think beating the livin crap out of children is a good and ethical thing.When I grew up I had the misfortune of meeting many, many creeps who had absolutely no ethics as well as fine upstanding people. Today there are children who live exemplary lives but the press never reports the good only the bad. When I was growing up the media including print and TV were not running the country as they are now and influencing how we perceive our neighbors. Growing up I can't tell you how many times I heard about the despicable hippies, the radical college kids, and how the negro's are getting uppity, on and on ad nauseum.

It appears to me looking down on the youth while patting ourselves on the back is a generational thing.

By the way, many of the Priests who molested children were from my generation but we were too cowed by authority to take action.

I have high hopes for the generations coming up because they have the same creator I have.

This actually reminds me of the Union argument. Just because you've been around longer, that makes you better.
Well, I'm here to tell you, in my experiences around TVs, longevity doesn't always equal ethical or common sense!

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by graciegirl
Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.
====================================

I can see any number of things about your "ethical generation" that I wouldn't be too proud of. Thinking of the Vietnam war, the history of discrimination against people of color in this country; the history of discrimination against women in this country, and so on. The baby boomers started questioning social values and had a more altruistic bent. They formed protests against the Vietnam war, and paved the way for our withdrawal of troops; had heroes like Martin Luther King and oversaw integration; passed laws giving women rights they were entitled to....and each generation that follows will build on the previous generation. I don't think it is valid to say any particular generation has the moral high ground.

[ilovetv]

I can see any number of things about your "ethical generation" that I wouldn't be too proud of. Thinking of the Vietnam war, the history of discrimination against people of color in this country; the history of discrimination against women in this country, and so on. The baby boomers started questioning social values and had a more altruistic bent. They formed protests against the Vietnam war, and paved the way for our withdrawal of troops; had heroes like Martin Luther King and oversaw integration; passed laws giving women rights they were entitled to....and each generation that follows will build on the previous generation. I don't think it is valid to say any particular generation has the moral high ground.

I don't think Gracie was claiming her generation had cornered the market on "moral high ground". What I saw in her post, because I've experienced it, is that our parents and grandparents were tough on crime, managed and raised the kids with Tough Love before it had a name other than "a damn good kick in the pants", it didn't take a master's or PhD in psychology to raise a self-supporting, law-abiding and caring citizen, and we saw some of the juvenile delinquents-in-the-making turn around and do a 180 because a caring disciplinarian adult in their life got thru to them that they were headed for prison or a life of addiction hell.

And by the way, the ones in VietNam era---MY generation--who defied the POLITICIANS who created that mess--and became pot- and heroin-addicted hippies......

The ones who got their butts punished at home by two caring parents turned out to be college educated or steady and dependable tradesmen, model citizens. But the ones whose parents did not CARE enough to get them off the streets and out of cars driven drunk....are either dead by age 50 or are dying of drugs and alcohol combined while filled cancer, emphysema, liver failure, COPD, etc.....and are collecting government (taxpayer-funded) disability and Medicare.

Their protests against the VietNam war were not all that impressive in the long run, because they destroyed their previously brilliant minds and bodies with substance abuse and addiction, and are now living off the government they hated as college students but love now because of the check and housing they get from it.

[mickey100]

I don't think Gracie was claiming her generation had cornered the market on "moral high ground". What I saw in her post, because I've experienced it, is that our parents and grandparents were tough on crime, managed and raised the kids with Tough Love before it had a name other than "a damn good kick in the pants", it didn't take a master's or PhD in psychology to raise a self-supporting, law-abiding and caring citizen, and we saw some of the juvenile delinquents-in-the-making turn around and do a 180 because a caring disciplinarian adult in their life got thru to them that they were headed for prison or a life of addiction hell.

And by the way, the ones in VietNam era---MY generation--who defied the POLITICIANS who created that mess--and became pot- and heroin-addicted hippies......

The ones who got their butts punished at home by two caring parents turned out to be college educated or steady and dependable tradesmen, model citizens. But the ones whose parents did not CARE enough to get them off the streets and out of cars driven drunk....are either dead by age 50 or are dying of drugs and alcohol combined while filled cancer, emphysema, liver failure, COPD, etc.....and are collecting government (taxpayer-funded) disability and Medicare.

Their protests against the VietNam war were not all that impressive in the long run, because they destroyed their previously brilliant minds and bodies with substance abuse and addiction, and are now living off the government they hated as college students but love now because of the check and housing they get from it.

Wow, quite a bit of generalization about the anti-war movement, untrue to say the least. To characterize the peace movement as a bunch of people who became pot and heroin addicted, well what can one say.

Many in the peace movement were students, mothers, or anti-establishment hippies, but there was also involvement from many other groups, including educators, clergy, academics, journalists, lawyers, physicians (such as Benjamin Spock), military veterans, and ordinary Americans. On October 15, 1969, the Vietnam Moratorium attracted millions of Americans. To imply that all these peace loving Americans became heroin addicts mooching off the government is just laughable.

[birdawg]

OK so what's new about the garage doors being open.

[ilovetv]

Wow, quite a bit of generalization about the anti-war movement, untrue to say the least. To characterize the peace movement as a bunch of people who became pot and heroin addicted, well what can one say.

Many in the peace movement were students, mothers, or anti-establishment hippies, but there was also involvement from many other groups, including educators, clergy, academics, journalists, lawyers, physicians (such as Benjamin Spock), military veterans, and ordinary Americans. On October 15, 1969, the Vietnam Moratorium attracted millions of Americans. To imply that all these peace loving Americans became heroin addicts mooching off the government is just laughable.

I wrote about two distinctly different groups within the war protest movement, which by the way, did warrant protest. The difference I noted was between those who were disciplined and kept off the streets as teens by their parents/grandparents/teachers, and those who were not and had no rules from parents. Sad to say, I have high-school and college classmates, and distant relatives, who fit the description of your last sentence above, perfectly. And I have others who were peace-loving, war protesting students who got it, and grew up and learned to live under the wisdom and authority of their teachers, bosses and employers.

[ilovetv]

OK so what's new about the garage doors being open.

Thanks for the re-direct. We never leave the garage door up because of snakes, mice, bugs or vandals/intruders.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by graciegirl
Well since you asked............

I think the ethical generation(s) came from the children raised by moms and dads who beat the livin' crap out outa kids if they stole something, or got in trouble at school. I think that the ethical generation spewed forth from being monitored 24/7 by someone who loved you to death and had a very intense interest in how you turned out. I think we were scared into having a conscience and I think that a certain group of us learned a lot more about values because we didn't have as MUCH as the people who are now under 55. I think that those of us who had our shoes repaired and our vegetables canned and our fannies spanked belong to the ethical generation(s).

The rest of the folks running around with their underpants showing and those who weren't expected to have summer jobs or need summer jobs and those who are given new cars and fished out of "slight embarrassments" at school, who never lived in a family with one car and one bathroom and two to a sleeping room, and didn't HAVE to do what they were told and couldn't afford dance lessons or tutoring to get them through school belong to the not quite so ethical generations. FEAR of consequences is an awesome catalyst for ethical behavior.

I may be wrong and frequently am.
====================================

I can see any number of things about your "ethical generation" that I wouldn't be too proud of. Thinking of the Vietnam war, the history of discrimination against people of color in this country; the history of discrimination against women in this country, and so on. The baby boomers started questioning social values and had a more altruistic bent. They formed protests against the Vietnam war, and paved the way for our withdrawal of troops; had heroes like Martin Luther King and oversaw integration; passed laws giving women rights they were entitled to....and each generation that follows will build on the previous generation. I don't think it is valid to say any particular generation has the moral high ground.


Um....are you a LOT younger than most of us here in The Villages? If not it is your generation too. I only missed the Boomer generation by a few years I think. I am 73,

I pretty much expected this kind of response.

That is the reason that we hang out with the people with whom we feel most comfortable. There is room for all kinds of groups in The Villages.

I am glad that there are many who look at the world the same way I do.

There are many to the right of me and many to the left of me and they all think they are correct.

I didn't know any hippies or any druggies growing up. I did know quite a few drunks. I never met an Indian, East or American, a Chinese person or a Japanese person or a person from Australia or other continents until I was in my twenties. and found we were very much the same. I had a lot of black friends and a lot of Jewish friends who I went to school with. I didn't see much difference in any of them from me. I knew women could do anything because I grew up with a line of strong matriarch ancestors. The men weren't too bad either and never made me feel inferior by their words or deeds. Everyone I knew worked. They kept things clean, they took care of themselves except for the folks my grandmother called bums who would come to the back door and she would give them dinner to eat on the back porch. I didn't know bum was a bad word. She didn't treat them badly. She called them Mr. So and so and they called her Mrs. so and so. and it was just part of our life. Sometimes they'd help with jobs around the house like taking in the coal, but they always got fed.

I guess maybe a lot of bad things happened but I didn't see them or hear them except for the chickens getting killed for Sunday dinner and flopping around headless. I hated that a lot.

[kittygilchrist]

oh man, gracie, I just skimmed your post and now I have to read the whole thread cuz some cultural exchange is happening...you ought to get paid for posting.
nevermind, just get off here and write a book.

[graciegirl]

Now back to the garage door and the blatant crime in The Villages...or what were we talking about?

[kittygilchrist]

Your reminiscence had me there. Only a writer can do that.

[perrjojo]

From don't leave your garage door open, to unethical genration, we have now come full circle

Wow! Just what I was thinking. Btw, I live in Mission Hills and know FOR A FACT, NOT RUMOR, that my neighbor had the GPS stollen from her car while it was parked in her drive way. Do I think we have a crime wave? NO! Do I think we need to be more careful? YES! Do I think she should have her GPS out of sight and car locked? YES! But she didn't and now we all have learned to be more cautious.

[CaptJohn]

Wow! Just what I was thinking. Btw, I live in Mission Hills and know FOR A FACT, NOT RUMOR, that my neighbor had the GPS stollen from her car while it was parked in her drive way. Do I think we have a crime wave? NO! Do I think we need to be more careful? YES! Do I think she should have her GPS out of sight and car locked? YES! But she didn't and now we all have learned to be more cautious.

But was the garage door open or shut? That is the question.
If open, it appears she unethically invited the younger generation thief to the property.
If closed, the thief ethically had no business there and should have stayed off the driveway. :laugh:

[DougB]

Probably some Vietnam war protester heroine addict whose mom and dad didn't kick the crap out of her for stealing when she was a kid.

[graciegirl]

Uncle.

[perrjojo]

But was the garage door open or shut? That is the question.
If open, it appears she unethically invited the younger generation thief to the property.
If closed, the thief ethically had no business there and should have stayed off the driveway. :laugh:


I have no idea if garage door was open or closed. The car was parked in her driveway but I do believe taking property that does not belong to you is unethical regardless of your generation. But I do get ur tongue in cheek reply:angel::girlneener:

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