I love dogs, but owners are another thing

[Microcodeboy]

I love dogs. However, when I watched a neighbor walk her two dogs and stop at my lawn this morning while her dog did his business on my lawn, I was shocked. She was not at the edge but well off the street with the dogs on a long leash in the middle of my lawn and waited a while until the dog decided to do his business on my lawn. Yes, she picked it up and yes, one has limited control over such things. But this behavior was rude, inconsiderate and selfish. Why not walk the dogs on YOUR LAWN? Or since we are a developing village (Hillsborough) with many acres of vacent land, why walk your dogs on your new neighbors lawns? It is just RUDE!

[Madelaine Amee]

I love dogs. However, when I watched a neighbor walk her two dogs and stop at my lawn this morning while her dog did his business on my lawn, I was shocked. She was not at the edge but well off the street with the dogs on a long leash in the middle of my lawn and waited a while until the dog decided to do his business on my lawn. Yes, she picked it up and yes, one has limited control over such things. But this behavior was rude, inconsiderate and selfish. Why not walk the dogs on YOUR LAWN? Or since we are a developing village (Hillsborough) with many acres of vacent land, why walk your dogs on your new neighbors lawns? It is just RUDE!

:agree::agree::agree:

[Happinow]

Hello nysnowbirds. Couldn't agree with your post more, however, if you do a search on this website you will find many, many threads on dog poop. It seems to be a major problem here in TV. Just a heads up.....be ready for a lot of belittling of your complaint.....people putting up the popcorn icon......and the smart responses to your complaint because that's what dog poop threads get. People don't realize how annoying it is to have dog owners walk their dogs on your property. I believe there is a product on the market called "dog be gone"? That you can put down and the dogs will not go near your property. Also, a mixture of ammonia and water sprayed around the parimeter of your lawn, not on the grass, will discourage any animals from entering your property. I expect if you ask the dog owners not to walk their dogs on your property you will encounter a nasty, hostile response from the owner. Just my take on this whole dog poop thing.

[graciegirl]

Hello nysnowbirds. Couldn't agree with your post more, however, if you do a search on this website you will find many, many threads on dog poop. It seems to be a major problem here in TV. Just a heads up.....be ready for a lot of belittling of your complaint.....people putting up the popcorn icon......and the smart responses to your complaint because that's what dog poop threads get. People don't realize how annoying it is to have dog owners walk their dogs on your property. I believe there is a product on the market called "dog be gone"? That you can put down and the dogs will not go near your property. Also, a mixture of ammonia and water sprayed around the parimeter of your lawn, not on the grass, will discourage any animals from entering your property. I expect if you ask the dog owners not to walk their dogs on your property you will encounter a nasty, hostile response from the owner. Just my take on this whole dog poop thing.

I will not belittle the OPs post. I don't have a dog, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

To say that there have been MANY, many, many threads on this subject is an understatement. In summary you will hear from dog owners who care deeply about the responsible behavior of their pets, you will not hear at all from those who don't care what you think about their dogs coming into your lawn and pooping and you will have a lot of very intense posts on this thread about every spectrum of this problem.

There are those who move here and quite frankly do NOT like dogs of any kind and may be afraid of them and do not want them around and use the dog poop issue to be "anti-dog". There are those who used to have children that they didn't control or curtail and now they have dogs who they are equally as irresponsible about. There are the majority of folks who do their best to carry a plastic bag, try to get their pooch to poop in "acceptable" places......although there is a HUGE debate on where that is.

There are people like us who have an end lot and never have had any dog or their owner poop on our property, nor did we when we had an interior lot in Hadley. I know the names of all dogs in our 54 home village except the new folks who haven't ventured down this way yet. I think the dogs know my name too.

Other people are not so fortunate and many peoply frankly feel pooped on, because they are. You will have folks tell you to turn the sprinklers on, put pepper spray down and to march right our there and tell the owner what you think. Some people think old Gary Morse should have been smart enough to ban dogs (Boo!) or have dog free villages.I think all of those things might work. But it is what it is.

How will you handle it?

It is a problem for some but not all.

[TVMayor]

And it's FREE
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[ctuttle]

I used to have 3 dogs when I lived up north, now I have one. When we moved here, she would not use our CYV area to do her business. We took up the rock and put down grass thinking that would do the trick. Nope. We invited our neighbors dog to do his business in our yard thinking she would smell it and get the hint. Nope. What other option do we have besides walking her? The public grassy area by our house is all the way down our street so when she has to poop, I have to walk her all the way down there. What do I do when she goes onto someone else's lawn to do her business because she can't wait, except pick it up? At least I do that. She can't walk totally on the hot pavement so I have to give her a little lead on the leash so she can get into the grass or rock before her pads burn. I'm sorry if my dog goes on someone else's lawn, but I do pick it up.

[Taltarzac725]

Me too I pick up the dog poop and often have at least four plastic bags with which to do this. It is kind of hard to just walk your dog around your own house. That is not much exercise for the owner nor for the dog.

[Patty55]

I think that as long as it's picked up it's not a big deal. I always pick up the poop, urine....Oh well.

I kind of think I'm providing a service for chronic complainers and that's a good thing. If you look back through the thousands of comments on the dog issue you will see the same people time and again with the same complaints. These same people seem to have complaints about everything, soooo... apparently it's not the dogs that are the issue. Sometimes it's easier to focus on the pi$$ant aspects of life than to focus on real issues.

Years ago my shrink told me "Do what makes you happy." It makes me happy to walk the dogs, other people are happy to complain. It's all good.

[English Ivy]

Me too I pick up the dog poop and often have at least four plastic bags with which to do this. It is kind of hard to just walk your dog around your own house. That is not much exercise for the owner nor for the dog.

No it's not. I did it every day of the six years we lived in The Villages.

There is no reason a dog can't go in their own yard. They may not want to but if you keep them walking around long enough it will happen. Put the dog on the leash and keep them moving around, even if it's only a ten foot circle, and it will happen. Ctuttle in the time it takes you to walk your dog to the "public" area but your dog can't hold it and goes on a neighbor's lawn, you could have been walking your dog in your own yard and had success there and not be ticking off your neighbors.

My dog knew we did not go for a walk until everything was taken care of first in our own yard.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

[gomoho]

My dogs poop in the street which I think is disgusting but I have no choice. Sometimes they surprise me on our walk and if they have to go I can't stop it and I wouldn't dare let them enter someone's lawn even though I think it is more sanitary than pooping in the street. Yes I always, always, always pick it up.

[Microcodeboy]

I agree with all the replys. If you read my entire original post the person I observed was particularly RUDE, in that 20 feet away from my lawn is about 200 acres of open undeveloped land where the dogs could do their business. I have owned dogs most of my life and love them. Walked them often and always picked up their stuff even before it was the law as it is in most municipalities. This was just a particularly inconsiderate person.

To be clear - I love dogs - just hate some rude dog owners and I know it is not a reflection on all dog owners - most are appropriate - just this person was not.

Enuf said on an apparently well covered topic. Thanks for all the replies.

[kittygilchrist]

No it's not. I did it every day of the six years we lived in The Villages.

There is no reason a dog can't go in their own yard. They may not want to but if you keep them walking around long enough it will happen. Put the dog on the leash and keep them moving around, even if it's only a ten foot circle, and it will happen. Ctuttle in the time it takes you to walk your dog to the "public" area but your dog can't hold it and goes on a neighbor's lawn, you could have been walking your dog in your own yard and had success there and not be ticking off your neighbors.

My dog knew we did not go for a walk until everything was taken care of first in our own yard.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.
:agree:
1. Your owning a dog does not mean you own the property rights of your neighbors, period, no excuses.
2. Your or your dog entering neighbor's yard to leave a deposit is a trespass violation with a fine up to $1000, whether picked up or just urine are immaterial.
3. Your picking up poop in the neighbor's yard subjects the neighbor to liability lawsuit if you slip and fall, etc.
4. Your walking your dog in neighbor's yards is not just rude, it's crude, self-centered and uncivilized.
5. You or your dog may be subjected to confrontation by the neighbor or the neighbor's dog, with ensuing legal action.

Solutions?
Walk to a common area, or transport the dog to a common area, or get an invisible fence. Or give the dog to someone who is responsible.
Doing the easiest thing on the neighbor's yard and rationalizing it away is using poor judgment splashed with self-pity.

[ugotme]

Just my two cents worth.

Personally I ALWAYS walk my mutt in our back yard. She does her business, I pick it up and then we go for a walk.

I try very hard to only walk her in the street - if it is that hot then possibly on the very edge of the lawn. If I see her about to make a deposit, as sometimes happens, (which always mystifies me as she just went) I guide her into the street.

I always carry bags and pick it up as best I can from the street.

Have a neighbor (in So. Fl.) who lets his dog go anywhere. He claims she won't go in his back yard. Sorry - don't buy it. As stated by EnglishIvy keep walking her - she will go. Eventually it will become the norm.

[billethkid]

Ohno another dog poop/ bad owner post.
I suggest you pose all your questions to the person on your lawn.

I also suggest, if you know where the lawn sprinkler control is, dash over and turn it on when they are on your lawn!!

btk

[ugotme]

Ohno another dog poop/ bad owner post.
I suggest you pose all your questions to the person on your lawn.

I also suggest, if you know where the lawn sprinkler control is, dash over and turn it on when they are on your lawn!!

btk

Great idea !

C'mon btk - we haven't had a poop thread in a few weeks.
Don't want the subject to get old and stinky !

[ilovetv]

Allowing the dog to go out fully extended on retractable leash onto somebody else's yard/property is called

TRESSPASSING. It's not public property!

The first thing that ought to go is the retractable leashes. There is at least one sad account here of an elderly lady in Spanish Springs, walking down the sidewalk, and a dog owner had the cord extended out quite far. The cord is so thin it's not visible and the lady tripped over it and had what could have been a brain and spinal injury but fortunately wasn't.

Also, they are a danger when walking in the streets of neighborhoods without sidewalks. If the dog bolts toward moving car wheels it's a disaster to try to get him pulled back to yourself in an instant.

I saw a guy with his retractable lead the other night, doing 2 inconsiderate things at Lake Sumter Landing, on the lakeside of the Sales Center. First he let the dog go up onto the grass/landscaping at the side doors of the sales center and it was doing its business there. As soon as the dog was done he let it go out about 15 feet from him on the retractable cord. He was on the inside of the sidewalk and the dog was on the outside, with the cord able to trip anyone who came around the corner. It was dusk and the cord was barely visible. I told him people have tripped over cords like that and the dog needs to be kept close to the owner.

He growled and had no intention of doing anything about it. Especially in a town square/downtown, the dog needs to be kept close regardless of what type of leash it's on. Not everybody wants an unknown dog coming up to them!

[davecz1]

Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple.

[ctuttle]

No it's not. I did it every day of the six years we lived in The Villages.

There is no reason a dog can't go in their own yard. They may not want to but if you keep them walking around long enough it will happen. Put the dog on the leash and keep them moving around, even if it's only a ten foot circle, and it will happen. Ctuttle in the time it takes you to walk your dog to the "public" area but your dog can't hold it and goes on a neighbor's lawn, you could have been walking your dog in your own yard and had success there and not be ticking off your neighbors.

My dog knew we did not go for a walk until everything was taken care of first in our own yard.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

My dog poops 3 or 4 times while I'm walking it. You must have had a real smart dog if it knew to poop all it had to before it could go for a walk. I have a greyhound. It needs exercise. Sorry but if I am walking it and it has to go, it goes. I pick it up. End of story. The respectable thing is to pick it up and that's what I do. Yell at me if I don't, but I'm not going to NOT walk my dog and give it what it needs just so other people are happy. If there was a law against walking your dog, I would obey it. To me, the only "law" there is, is to be respectful and pick it up. Can anyone give me a VALID reason, not just a grumpy complaint, but a VALID reason why a dog pooping in a yard and being picked up is bad for the lawn? Or better yet, if the dog poops on rocks, why it is bad for the rocks. Hello, rain washes it off the rocks if any is left on it.

[English Ivy]

Ohno another dog poop/ bad owner post.
I suggest you pose all your questions to the person on your lawn.

I also suggest, if you know where the lawn sprinkler control is, dash over and turn it on when they are on your lawn!!

btk

That's just as rude as the person who allowed their dog to go on your property. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, if the dog hasn't done so already, it will scare the crap out of it. Don't take it out on the poor dog for the owner's problem.

There is absolutely no reason for a dog to be on another person's lawn unless they were invited. Especially several feet into the lawn. Simple as that.

[Barefoot]

Just a heads up.....be ready for a lot of belittling of your complaint.....people putting up the popcorn icon.......

Did someone ask for popcorn? :popcorn: :popcorn:

Any community that allows two dogs per household will have some uncivilized dog owners. We all knew when we purchased in The Villages that there are a huge number of dogs walking around. As a matter of fact, some of us purchased in TV because it's such a dog-friendly community. Obviously this was part of The Developer's vision.

Should everyone be civil and respectful and never speed in their golf cart or make rude finger motions in a roundabout or walk their dogs on someone else's lawn? Absolutely. Will that ever happen? Absolutely not. As with the other myriad of dog poop threads, all this thread will do is allow some frustrated residents to vent their frustration. And it obviously makes them feel better to vent, so I guess it's a good thing to have regular poop threads.

But please don't lose sight of the fact that most dog owners are civilized and charming and respectful of others' property. Unfortunately there are always some bad apples, that's life.

[kittygilchrist]

My dog poops 3 or 4 times while I'm walking it. You must have had a real smart dog if it knew to poop all it had to before it could go for a walk. I have a greyhound. It needs exercise. Sorry but if I am walking it and it has to go, it goes. I pick it up. End of story. The respectable thing is to pick it up and that's what I do. Yell at me if I don't, but I'm not going to NOT walk my dog and give it what it needs just so other people are happy. If there was a law against walking your dog, I would obey it. To me, the only "law" there is, is to be respectful and pick it up. Can anyone give me a VALID reason, not just a grumpy complaint, but a VALID reason why a dog pooping in a yard and being picked up is bad for the lawn? Or better yet, if the dog poops on rocks, why it is bad for the rocks. Hello, rain washes it off the rocks if any is left on it.

Contrary to what you say, there IS a law against walking the dog on private property.

See Florida statutes below:
it is a misdemeanor to enter private property (curtilage, #2) for the purpose of an offense, to see a list of offenses regarding waste and litter, see (2b).

Florida Statute
810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.—

(1)(a) A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
1. As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s. 810.011; or

2. If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,

commits the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.

(b) As used in this section, the term “unenclosed curtilage” means the unenclosed land or grounds, and any outbuildings, that are directly and intimately adjacent to and connected with the dwelling and necessary, convenient, and habitually used in connection with that dwelling.


(2)(a) Except as provided in this subsection, trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(b) If the offender defies an order to leave, personally communicated to the offender by the owner of the premises or by an authorized person, or if the offender willfully opens any door, fence, or gate or does any act that exposes animals, crops, or other property to waste, destruction, or freedom; unlawfully dumps litter on property; or trespasses on property other than a structure or conveyance, the offender commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

[ctuttle]

Well, I guess all I can say is, I would love to be a fly on the wall when someone calls the police out to their house and the officer asks what the problem is and the person says "that person let their dog poop on my property and then had the audacity to come onto my grass to pick it up!"

I think there are more important issues in life than someone's dog on someone else's grass.

[Patty55]

Contrary to what you say, there IS a law against walking the dog on private property.

See Florida statutes below:
it is a misdemeanor to enter private property (curtilage, #2) for the purpose of an offense, to see a list of offenses regarding waste and litter, see (2b).

Florida Statute
810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.—

(1)(a) A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
1. As to which notice against entering or remaining is given, either by actual communication to the offender or by posting, fencing, or cultivation as described in s. 810.011; or

2. If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,

commits the offense of trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance.

(b) As used in this section, the term “unenclosed curtilage” means the unenclosed land or grounds, and any outbuildings, that are directly and intimately adjacent to and connected with the dwelling and necessary, convenient, and habitually used in connection with that dwelling.


(2)(a) Except as provided in this subsection, trespass on property other than a structure or conveyance is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(b) If the offender defies an order to leave, personally communicated to the offender by the owner of the premises or by an authorized person, or if the offender willfully opens any door, fence, or gate or does any act that exposes animals, crops, or other property to waste, destruction, or freedom; unlawfully dumps litter on property; or trespasses on property other than a structure or conveyance, the offender commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Sorry, I think your interpretation is a bit off.

[Bogie Shooter]

I wonder how may posts this thread will eventually have?

[kittygilchrist]

I'm open to that possibility, Patty. What are you thinking I misread?

[buggyone]

The phone call to the Sheriff's office concerning a dog pooping on a yard and someone cleaning it up without being invited onto the property would truly be one for Jay Leno's segment on funny 911 calls.

I would love to hear a conversation like that as well as the in-station talk among the officers about it after The Villager got off the line.

[ilovetv]

My continuing question in mind with all these threads and posts defending habitual--not one-time--trespassing on private property is:

Why is it not enough that a homeowner says, "Keep your dog off my property"?

Why are people so condescending that they defend disrespect of our rights of private property ownership??

To me, the way I was raised by people who expect obedience to rules and norms of common decency, nobody should even have to mention calling the police nor refer to state laws.

In a democratic society, people are required to discipline themselves!

[kittygilchrist]

I do understand the difficulty of toileting the dog, I have a big one. I really don't expect any legal mess to happen over dog poop, but liability issues are a concern. For that reason I'd rather people leave the poop than come in my yard to pick it up. I'd put up a sign saying leave the poop, but they don't let you put up sign. This topic is never going to be resolved....sigh.

[Patty55]

I'm open to that possibility, Patty. What are you thinking I misread?

I don't think you misread it, I think you interpretation is off. In my mind it is not criminal tresspassing unless there is a secondary offense. In my mind there would have to be a secondary offense with malice, but I could be wrong.

"2. If the property is the unenclosed curtilage of a dwelling and the offender enters or remains with the intent to commit an offense thereon, other than the offense of trespass,"

If you are seriously thinking of following through on this action you should maybe speak to an attorney. I'm sure there are some that will give you a free phone consultation.

[johnboy]

It must be hell to get old! I wonder if you all complain about your neighbors leaves falling on your property.

[janieb]

Oh my, all of my perceptions about moving to The Villages is that it will be a fun, friendly place, now I am wondering. . . .

[ilovetv]

It must be hell to get old! I wonder if you all complain about your neighbors leaves falling on your property.

Let's not mock and minimize. Leaves are nowhere even close to what dog feces are for disease transmission, environmental pollution, and aggravation to neighbors:


Dog waste poses threat to water

By Traci Watson, USA TODAY

For as long as the dog has been man's best friend, dog waste has posed a menace to man's nose and foot. Now science has revealed a more unsavory truth: It's an environmental pollutant.

In the mid-1990s, scientists perfected methods for tracking the origin of nasty bacteria in streams and seawater. From Clearwater, Fla., to Arlington, Va., to Boise the trail has led straight to the hunched-up dog — and to owners who don't pick up after their pets.

At some beaches, dogs help raise bacteria levels so high that visitors must stay out of the water. Goaded by such studies, some cities have directed as much as $10,000 in the last few years to encourage dog owners to clean up after their pets. A few municipalities have started issuing citations to those who ignore pet clean-up ordinances.

Many dog lovers are in denial about their pooches' leavings. But researchers have named the idea that areas used by dogs pump more bacteria into waterways — the "Fido hypothesis."

Dogs are only one of many fixtures of suburban America that add to water pollution. Lawn fertilizers, rinse water from driveways and motor oil commonly end up in streams and lakes.

But unlike those sources, dogs generate disease-causing bacteria that can make people sick. Studies done in the last few years put dogs third or fourth on the list of contributors to bacteria in contaminated waters. "Dogs are one of our usual suspects," says Valerie Harwood, a microbiologist at the University of South Florida. "At certain sites, we find their effect to be significant."

It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure out that dog do is nasty. But it took science to determine how nasty it is.

From mutt to blue-blooded champion, all dogs harbor so-called coliform bacteria, which live in the gut. The group includes E. coli, a bacterium that can cause disease, and fecal coliform bacteria, which spread through feces. Dogs also carry salmonella and giardia. Environmental officials use measurements of some of these bacteria as barometers of how much fecal matter has contaminated a body of water.

This wouldn't matter if pet dogs were as rare as pet chinchillas. But four in 10 U.S. households include at least one dog, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. The association's statistics also show that Americans owned 54.6 million dogs in 1996 and 68 million dogs in 2000. Of that total, 45% were "large" dogs — 40 pounds or more.

Those numbers add up to a lot of kibble. That wouldn't matter if all dog owners also owned a pooper-scooper. But several studies have found that roughly 40% of Americans don't pick up their dogs' feces (women are more likely to do so than men).....

[billethkid]

Oh my, all of my perceptions about moving to The Villages is that it will be a fun, friendly place, now I am wondering. . . .

most assuredly you jest.:jester:

While TOTV offers a wealth of communication/education/suggestion/direction/help.....it is also fraught with personal opinion and predjudices and beliefs and even some off the wall stuff.

But we all know that 98%+++ of us are happy as clams to be here and we do not let the 2% or less minority positions affect our lives and most certainly not our decisions.

Some of us will rest easy knowing a dog poop thread, with all anonymous contributors would not affect one of the more important decisions in your life.:pray:

btk

[Here2Stay]

OH MY.....the things we worry about!

[gomoho]

Let's not mock and minimize. Leaves are nowhere even close to what dog feces are for disease transmission, environmental pollution, and aggravation to neighbors:


Dog waste poses threat to water

By Traci Watson, USA TODAY

For as long as the dog has been man's best friend, dog waste has posed a menace to man's nose and foot. Now science has revealed a more unsavory truth: It's an environmental pollutant.

In the mid-1990s, scientists perfected methods for tracking the origin of nasty bacteria in streams and seawater. From Clearwater, Fla., to Arlington, Va., to Boise the trail has led straight to the hunched-up dog — and to owners who don't pick up after their pets.

At some beaches, dogs help raise bacteria levels so high that visitors must stay out of the water. Goaded by such studies, some cities have directed as much as $10,000 in the last few years to encourage dog owners to clean up after their pets. A few municipalities have started issuing citations to those who ignore pet clean-up ordinances.

Many dog lovers are in denial about their pooches' leavings. But researchers have named the idea that areas used by dogs pump more bacteria into waterways — the "Fido hypothesis."

Dogs are only one of many fixtures of suburban America that add to water pollution. Lawn fertilizers, rinse water from driveways and motor oil commonly end up in streams and lakes.

But unlike those sources, dogs generate disease-causing bacteria that can make people sick. Studies done in the last few years put dogs third or fourth on the list of contributors to bacteria in contaminated waters. "Dogs are one of our usual suspects," says Valerie Harwood, a microbiologist at the University of South Florida. "At certain sites, we find their effect to be significant."

It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure out that dog do is nasty. But it took science to determine how nasty it is.

From mutt to blue-blooded champion, all dogs harbor so-called coliform bacteria, which live in the gut. The group includes E. coli, a bacterium that can cause disease, and fecal coliform bacteria, which spread through feces. Dogs also carry salmonella and giardia. Environmental officials use measurements of some of these bacteria as barometers of how much fecal matter has contaminated a body of water.

This wouldn't matter if pet dogs were as rare as pet chinchillas. But four in 10 U.S. households include at least one dog, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. The association's statistics also show that Americans owned 54.6 million dogs in 1996 and 68 million dogs in 2000. Of that total, 45% were "large" dogs — 40 pounds or more.

Those numbers add up to a lot of kibble. That wouldn't matter if all dog owners also owned a pooper-scooper. But several studies have found that roughly 40% of Americans don't pick up their dogs' feces (women are more likely to do so than men).....

So what should we do about all those poopin, bacteria carrying, disease ridden wild animals that live in and around The Villages??? Wonder what the alligator poop does to the water? and I would venture a guess all those chemicals used to keep our grass growing and green is a much bigger hazard.

[graciegirl]

It is hot and the humidity is like a sauna. Who brought this whole subject up again?

Sit.

Roll over.

Stay.

[Bogie Shooter]

Oh my, all of my perceptions about moving to The Villages is that it will be a fun, friendly place, now I am wondering. . . .

Just go and read all of graciegirl posts.............................and you will feel better.

[Patty55]

Let's not mock and minimize. Leaves are nowhere even close to what dog feces are for disease transmission, environmental pollution, and aggravation to neighbors:


Dog waste poses threat to water

By Traci Watson, USA TODAY

For as long as the dog has been man's best friend, dog waste has posed a menace to man's nose and foot. Now science has revealed a more unsavory truth: It's an environmental pollutant.

In the mid-1990s, scientists perfected methods for tracking the origin of nasty bacteria in streams and seawater. From Clearwater, Fla., to Arlington, Va., to Boise the trail has led straight to the hunched-up dog — and to owners who don't pick up after their pets.

At some beaches, dogs help raise bacteria levels so high that visitors must stay out of the water. Goaded by such studies, some cities have directed as much as $10,000 in the last few years to encourage dog owners to clean up after their pets. A few municipalities have started issuing citations to those who ignore pet clean-up ordinances.

Many dog lovers are in denial about their pooches' leavings. But researchers have named the idea that areas used by dogs pump more bacteria into waterways — the "Fido hypothesis."

Dogs are only one of many fixtures of suburban America that add to water pollution. Lawn fertilizers, rinse water from driveways and motor oil commonly end up in streams and lakes.

But unlike those sources, dogs generate disease-causing bacteria that can make people sick. Studies done in the last few years put dogs third or fourth on the list of contributors to bacteria in contaminated waters. "Dogs are one of our usual suspects," says Valerie Harwood, a microbiologist at the University of South Florida. "At certain sites, we find their effect to be significant."

It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure out that dog do is nasty. But it took science to determine how nasty it is.

From mutt to blue-blooded champion, all dogs harbor so-called coliform bacteria, which live in the gut. The group includes E. coli, a bacterium that can cause disease, and fecal coliform bacteria, which spread through feces. Dogs also carry salmonella and giardia. Environmental officials use measurements of some of these bacteria as barometers of how much fecal matter has contaminated a body of water.

This wouldn't matter if pet dogs were as rare as pet chinchillas. But four in 10 U.S. households include at least one dog, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. The association's statistics also show that Americans owned 54.6 million dogs in 1996 and 68 million dogs in 2000. Of that total, 45% were "large" dogs — 40 pounds or more.

Those numbers add up to a lot of kibble. That wouldn't matter if all dog owners also owned a pooper-scooper. But several studies have found that roughly 40% of Americans don't pick up their dogs' feces (women are more likely to do so than men).....

Okie Dokie, Query me this... How do my shrimpy little pack cause more of a contamination problem pooping in your yard than my yard? How about urine, I'm not picking it up either way.

You want to worry about bacteria, stop getting ice in your drink.

[Barefoot]

Let's not mock and minimize. Leaves are nowhere even close to what dog feces are for disease transmission, environmental pollution, and aggravation to neighbors:


Dog waste poses threat to water

By Traci Watson, USA TODAY

For as long as the dog has been man's best friend, dog waste has posed a menace to man's nose and foot. Now science has revealed a more unsavory truth: It's an environmental pollutant.

In the mid-1990s, scientists perfected methods for tracking the origin of nasty bacteria in streams and seawater. From Clearwater, Fla., to Arlington, Va., to Boise the trail has led straight to the hunched-up dog — and to owners who don't pick up after their pets.

At some beaches, dogs help raise bacteria levels so high that visitors must stay out of the water. Goaded by such studies, some cities have directed as much as $10,000 in the last few years to encourage dog owners to clean up after their pets. A few municipalities have started issuing citations to those who ignore pet clean-up ordinances.

Many dog lovers are in denial about their pooches' leavings. But researchers have named the idea that areas used by dogs pump more bacteria into waterways — the "Fido hypothesis."

Dogs are only one of many fixtures of suburban America that add to water pollution. Lawn fertilizers, rinse water from driveways and motor oil commonly end up in streams and lakes.

But unlike those sources, dogs generate disease-causing bacteria that can make people sick. Studies done in the last few years put dogs third or fourth on the list of contributors to bacteria in contaminated waters. "Dogs are one of our usual suspects," says Valerie Harwood, a microbiologist at the University of South Florida. "At certain sites, we find their effect to be significant."

It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure out that dog do is nasty. But it took science to determine how nasty it is.

From mutt to blue-blooded champion, all dogs harbor so-called coliform bacteria, which live in the gut. The group includes E. coli, a bacterium that can cause disease, and fecal coliform bacteria, which spread through feces. Dogs also carry salmonella and giardia. Environmental officials use measurements of some of these bacteria as barometers of how much fecal matter has contaminated a body of water.

This wouldn't matter if pet dogs were as rare as pet chinchillas. But four in 10 U.S. households include at least one dog, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. The association's statistics also show that Americans owned 54.6 million dogs in 1996 and 68 million dogs in 2000. Of that total, 45% were "large" dogs — 40 pounds or more.

Those numbers add up to a lot of kibble. That wouldn't matter if all dog owners also owned a pooper-scooper. But several studies have found that roughly 40% of Americans don't pick up their dogs' feces (women are more likely to do so than men).....

Yes, there are lots of dogs that generate a lot of poop, according to this article there were 60 million of them in 2000. And eating dog poop will definitely make you sick. I don't understand why this article is relevant to a Villages dog that pees on a neighbor's lawn.

[bob47]

My dog poops 3 or 4 times while I'm walking it. You must have had a real smart dog if it knew to poop all it had to before it could go for a walk. I have a greyhound. It needs exercise. Sorry but if I am walking it and it has to go, it goes. I pick it up. End of story. The respectable thing is to pick it up and that's what I do. Yell at me if I don't, but I'm not going to NOT walk my dog and give it what it needs just so other people are happy. If there was a law against walking your dog, I would obey it. To me, the only "law" there is, is to be respectful and pick it up. Can anyone give me a VALID reason, not just a grumpy complaint, but a VALID reason why a dog pooping in a yard and being picked up is bad for the lawn? Or better yet, if the dog poops on rocks, why it is bad for the rocks. Hello, rain washes it off the rocks if any is left on it.

I can give you 2 very good reasons.

I do my own yard work, pull weeds, and clean out the grass around the sprinkler heads. Do you think I want to be rooting around where you dog peed or crapped? How about you come over and clean out around my sprinklers?

And how about grand kids playing ball and rolling around in the grass where your dog just left his mess?

[bluedog103]

Can anyone give me a VALID reason, not just a grumpy complaint, but a VALID reason why a dog pooping in a yard and being picked up is bad for the lawn? Or better yet, if the dog poops on rocks, why it is bad for the rocks. Hello, rain washes it off the rocks if any is left on it.

I have an idea. Why don't you just let your dog do it's business in your house? Is it bad for the tile? Hello, it washes off doesn't it?

[gomoho]

We are getting stupid and ugly now - let's all calm down and discuss this poop stuff like civilized Villagers.:swear:

[Birdie Dreamer]

I am actually starting to miss the Havana cc threads.

[Polar Bear]

I have an idea. Why don't you just let your dog do it's business in your house? Is it bad for the tile? Hello, it washes off doesn't it?

Yeah...indoor tile=outdoor rock. :shocked:

I don't allow my dogs to pee/poo on other folks' lawns, and don't think others should either. But sometimes the arguments just make me roll my eyes. :icon_bored:

[ugotme]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[kittygilchrist]

I've got to differ from those who are tired of this dead old horse of a topic. Every week or so it shows up...because it has apparently not yet been beaten to death. As a newbie, it helps me know how strongly people feel on both sides, and I'm guessing many people on the polar opposites wonder how in the world THOSE people can think the way they do.
We aren't agreeing but at least we are aware that we are stepping on each others toes.

[CFrance]

A few of my thoughts...

1. Every time someone starts a poop thread complaining about dogs, dog haters will chime in. There's not a lot, but there are a few, and they would have you believe that there are more irresponsible dog owners than not, and that's just not true.

2. IF your dog won't poop or pee on your own lawn, take action. Training is everything. SO WHAT if you have to take him out 50 times a day till he finally gives in and poops and pees in your yard? Who's the boss in the household?

Our latest, when a puppy, was housebroken on a lawn of pebbles his first winter, in a rental house down south. When we got back up north he was like, "What's this green stuff? I'm not using this!" It only took a day to retrain him. We moved down here, and I trained him to pee in the landscaping mulch instead of on the lawn.

3. The fact that a dog needs exercise is fine. But keep him in the street. Dogs in big cities everywhere go on cement, and owners pick it up. It's not abnormal. You can exercise your dog, and if he can't reach someone's lawn, he will go in the street if he's that desperate.

[Patty55]

Whoa, it took 4 pages to pull out the grandchildren card, you all are a wee bit slow today.

I doubt these group beatings accomplish anything, doubt anyone's mind has ever been changed, I know mine hasn't. What I find fascinating is that when we do this it seems people's filters get turned off and they reveal themselves.

[perrjojo]

Ok, I love my dog. I walk my dog. Sometimes he pees and poops in someone's yard. If he poops, I pick it up. If he pees I carry a water bottle to pour on the spot. I am an avid Gardner and have a lush bit of grass. The urine from some dogs is very high in nitrogen And will burn the grass and leave an ugly brown spot. I hate it when this happens to my lawn. But as they say, s"#t happens, and so does poop and pee! We probably all have something that irritates our neighbors, so let us try to be kind and tolerant of one another. Some with dogs only have that pet in their ife and would be unbelievably lonely without it. Try to be understanding. I say tomato, you say tomatoe...let's work the whole thing out. Jeesh!

[Bogie Shooter]

I've got to differ from those who are tired of this dead old horse of a topic. Every week or so it shows up...because it has apparently not yet been beaten to death. As a newbie, it helps me know how strongly people feel on both sides, and I'm guessing many people on the polar opposites wonder how in the world THOSE people can think the way they do.
We aren't agreeing but at least we are aware that we are stepping on each others toes.

Nothing new................try reading the old threads. Yes, we are tired.

[Houselover]

I love dogs. However, when I watched a neighbor walk her two dogs and stop at my lawn this morning while her dog did his business on my lawn, I was shocked. She was not at the edge but well off the street with the dogs on a long leash in the middle of my lawn and waited a while until the dog decided to do his business on my lawn. Yes, she picked it up and yes, one has limited control over such things. But this behavior was rude, inconsiderate and selfish. Why not walk the dogs on YOUR LAWN? Or since we are a developing village (Hillsborough) with many acres of vacent land, why walk your dogs on your new neighbors lawns? It is just RUDE!

Any objections for "bird droppings" as well as other animal droppings on lawns, cars, houses, and sometimes on one's head.Who can we blame for this, God??.Maybe we should eliminate all forms of "non human" elements from the villages..

[kittygilchrist]

Nothing new................try reading the old threads. Yes, we are tired.

tut tut, Bogie, not yet too bored to read and post..:icon_wink:

[DougB]

The Dog Poop Song


The Dog Poop Song - YouTube

[kittygilchrist]

The Dog Poop Song


The Dog Poop Song - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X3DKPdHEYE)

Too bored to post? oh, no there's youtube maybe this one'll work.

[kittygilchrist]

re t-325 below, I'm not sure I follow you, but I don't expect to be pitied for taking responsibility to clean up after a dog I love. that would be like expecting a reward for changing my own baby's diaper.

[T-325]

and no one feels compassion for those owners who are doing their duty....

[DougB]

Too bored to post? oh, no there's youtube maybe this one'll work.

Click the link in your post of my quote if my link didn't work for you

[ilovetv]

Comparing dogs' droppings to that of gators or birds or other wildlife is not a valid comparison.

Wildlife goes where it wants to go, and they don't like to hang out in peoples' yards, streets, nor among moving vehicles and pedestrians.

Also, the number of gators etc. in neighborhood streets, sidewalks and yards is miniscule compared to the number of dogs here that could easily number 20,000.

Domesticated animals like a dog on a leash are led to yards by an owner who either:

a) restrains the dog from going onto the yard because he respects other people's private property; or

b) disrespects another person's private property and allows and follows the dog onto the yard.

Does anyone really think the Dog Whisperer (Cesar), for example, would allow a dog on a leash to go onto somebody's yard to do its business there while out for a walk on the streets??

I certainly don't think so. His training is all about discipline, obedience, and letting the dog know who is the boss, and the dogs certainly do not suffer from such discipline.

[TVMayor]

Let's not mock and minimize. Leaves are nowhere even close to what dog feces are for disease transmission, environmental pollution, and aggravation to neighbors:


Dog waste poses threat to water

By Traci Watson, USA TODAY

For as long as the dog has been man's best friend, dog waste has posed a menace to man's nose and foot. Now science has revealed a more unsavory truth: It's an environmental pollutant.

In the mid-1990s, scientists perfected methods for tracking the origin of nasty bacteria in streams and seawater. From Clearwater, Fla., to Arlington, Va., to Boise the trail has led straight to the hunched-up dog — and to owners who don't pick up after their pets.

At some beaches, dogs help raise bacteria levels so high that visitors must stay out of the water. Goaded by such studies, some cities have directed as much as $10,000 in the last few years to encourage dog owners to clean up after their pets. A few municipalities have started issuing citations to those who ignore pet clean-up ordinances.

Many dog lovers are in denial about their pooches' leavings. But researchers have named the idea that areas used by dogs pump more bacteria into waterways — the "Fido hypothesis."

Dogs are only one of many fixtures of suburban America that add to water pollution. Lawn fertilizers, rinse water from driveways and motor oil commonly end up in streams and lakes.

But unlike those sources, dogs generate disease-causing bacteria that can make people sick. Studies done in the last few years put dogs third or fourth on the list of contributors to bacteria in contaminated waters. "Dogs are one of our usual suspects," says Valerie Harwood, a microbiologist at the University of South Florida. "At certain sites, we find their effect to be significant."

It doesn't take a Ph.D. to figure out that dog do is nasty. But it took science to determine how nasty it is.

From mutt to blue-blooded champion, all dogs harbor so-called coliform bacteria, which live in the gut. The group includes E. coli, a bacterium that can cause disease, and fecal coliform bacteria, which spread through feces. Dogs also carry salmonella and giardia. Environmental officials use measurements of some of these bacteria as barometers of how much fecal matter has contaminated a body of water.

This wouldn't matter if pet dogs were as rare as pet chinchillas. But four in 10 U.S. households include at least one dog, according to the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association. The association's statistics also show that Americans owned 54.6 million dogs in 1996 and 68 million dogs in 2000. Of that total, 45% were "large" dogs — 40 pounds or more.

Those numbers add up to a lot of kibble. That wouldn't matter if all dog owners also owned a pooper-scooper. But several studies have found that roughly 40% of Americans don't pick up their dogs' feces (women are more likely to do so than men).....

How about cows, horses, buffalo and people with septic tanks does any of that pose a threat to water? How about chemical fertilizer compared to natures product? By the way I do not have a dog in this fight.

[ugotme]

Okay -

i'm pooped !

[Microcodeboy]

Any objections for "bird droppings" as well as other animal droppings on lawns, cars, houses, and sometimes on one's head.Who can we blame for this, God??.Maybe we should eliminate all forms of "non human" elements from the villages..

NO just eliminate the RUDE humans.

[Patty55]

and no one feels compassion for those owners who are doing their duty....

It's okay, I understand the crankiness, some people are just never happy. :rant-rave:I guess they can't accept that this lifestyle is not for everyone, that it's not easy living on close quarters. I also blame TV sales dept for pumping them up and giving them so many choices that their "picker" explodes...making them feel important and special. Then they move in and guess what? They find out they're not so special, probably never were and never will be.

Y'know, maybe this crankiness is a way to avoid acknowledging the reality of your situation, but acknowledge it or not there's some real nasty curve balls heading their way and a 10 lb Maltese taking a wizz won't even register a blip on their heartache meter.

[Patty55]

NO just eliminate the RUDE humans.

Great idea, I hope they have garage sales when they leave.

[gomoho]

[QUOTE=ilovetv;717133]Comparing dogs' droppings to that of gators or birds or other wildlife is not a valid comparison.

Wildlife goes where it wants to go, and they don't like to hang out in peoples' yards, streets, nor among moving vehicles and pedestrians./QUOTE]


Ever lived with Canadian Geese in your yard??? - now that's a problem. I currently have bird poop all over my patio that I have to clean up everyday.
Sooooooo wildlife does create a problem and there is nobody picking up behind them.

[Barefoot]

Ever lived with Canadian Geese in your yard??? - now that's a problem. I currently have bird poop all over my patio that I have to clean up everyday.
Sooooooo wildlife does create a problem and there is nobody picking up behind them.
Yes, we live daily with hundreds of Canadian Geese trying to use our yard as an area to hang out (possibly because we summer in Canada, lol). We live in a community called "Lagoon City" where every home backs on a lagoon. Canadian Geese love to climb out of the water with their friends and goslings and waddle around on the lawns. They are hugely messy and dirty.

Funny thing .. I thought our two dogs might be a problem here, especially the large goofy one. But instead, they are a treasured commodity, people beg me to put them outside to chase the geese. They even ask to borrow them for a couple of hours. Dogs are like royalty here!

In The Villages, we do have ducks and bunny rabbits pooping in our yard. We've called the Bunny Poop Patrol to report them but nothing happens. It's all nature, we love all animals, so to us, it's all good. And we don't care at all if someone's dog makes a brown spot on our front lawn by the street.

IMHO, people who live in The Villages should be busy counting their blessings, not looking for things to complain about.

[kittygilchrist]

Does anyone really think the Dog Whisperer (Cesar), for example, would allow a dog on a leash to go onto somebody's yard to do its business there while out for a walk on the streets??

I certainly don't think so. His training is all about discipline, obedience, and letting the dog know who is the boss, and the dogs certainly do not suffer from such discipline.

Wowzer Bowzer, what if we got Cesar to come here and do a seminar??

[ilovetv]

Wowzer Bowzer, what if we got Cesar to come here and do a seminar??

He would have to teach a significant number of dog owners that the dog is subordinate to people, not the other way around.

[Patty55]

I'm thinking Dr. Phil might be a better choice than Cesar Milan.

[gomoho]

Barefoot - our Great Dane used to do a wonderful job of chasing the geese that came into our yard from the pond; however, one day he got a taste of what he saw as their delectable droppings and he then began welcoming them into the yard! That's why the call them DOGS!!!

[CFrance]

He would have to teach a significant number of dog owners that the dog is subordinate to people, not the other way around.

I'm thinking Dr. Phil might be a better choice than Cesar Milan.

Yes, Patty55, because see ilovetv's post above!

I don't make a big fuss about someone's dog peeing in our yard. I'm not crazy about it, but oh, well. I just don't plan on letting ours go on someone else's and wish some people would realize how upsetting it is to others.

[CFrance]

Barefoot - our Great Dane used to do a wonderful job of chasing the geese that came into our yard from the pond; however, one day he got a taste of what he saw as their delectable droppings and he then began welcoming them into the yard! That's why the call them DOGS!!!

There is so much grass in Canada Geese poop--delectable to dogs! And the poop is big--like little grassy hotdogs. Walking through the grass at our marina meant hanging on to the collar to keep the head up high! (They like to roll in it too.)

So the people at our marina liked our dogs because not only did they chase off the geese, they cleaned up after them! (Ew...)

[gomoho]

Ewwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!barf

[sueandskip]

I love dogs. However, when I watched a neighbor walk her two dogs and stop at my lawn this morning while her dog did his business on my lawn, I was shocked. She was not at the edge but well off the street with the dogs on a long leash in the middle of my lawn and waited a while until the dog decided to do his business on my lawn. Yes, she picked it up and yes, one has limited control over such things. But this behavior was rude, inconsiderate and selfish. Why not walk the dogs on YOUR LAWN? Or since we are a developing village (Hillsborough) with many acres of vacent land, why walk your dogs on your new neighbors lawns? It is just RUDE!
Why post here...This is a waste of your time and gets nothing solved...Next time walk out and have a talk with your neighbor and see if that works...

[Bogie Shooter]

Wow, 73 posts and counting. Could this be a record for dog Poop Threads?

[billethkid]

2730 hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:popcorn::popcorn:

[perrjojo]

Why post here...This is a waste of your time and gets nothing solved...Next time walk out and have a talk with your neighbor and see if that works...

So true. Complaining accomplishes nothing. A polite friendly talk may enlighten your dog walker neighbor...and if not, you tried. It's not what you have to say, it's all in how you approach someone. Try to keep emotion out of it and only state how YOU feel and always have a solution to the problem.

[CFrance]

Wow, 73 posts and counting. Could this be a record for dog Poop Threads?

Well, a few less than that. We kinda veered off onto goose poop there for a while.

Must stay on topic...

[Cyndiloowho]

I don't have any problem with dogs walking or pooping on my lawn so long as the owner picks up after them. It seems unrealistic to expect them to stay off the lawns but I understand now that it can be annoying to neighbors.

[graciegirl]

I don't have any problem with dogs walking or pooping on my lawn so long as the owner picks up after them. It seems unrealistic to expect them to stay off the lawns but I understand now that it can be annoying to neighbors.

Welcome to the forum. Do you know the Grinch?

[sam&rog]

next time the dog is on your lawn, turn the sprinkler on. The dog walker will get a bath and think twice the next time.

[janieb]

I don't have any problem with dogs walking or pooping on my lawn so long as the owner picks up after them. It seems unrealistic to expect them to stay off the lawns but I understand now that it can be annoying to neighbors.

I agree, before reading this post, I thought that I WAS being a responsible dog owner because I picked up after my dog, it never never occurred to me that it would bother people and be considered rude, now I consider myself somewhat educated on this subject.

[LndLocked]

I always make sure my dog poops in a roundabout .... while riding a bike.

[travelguy]

Has anyone ever thought that it is so unfair to a dog to be cooped up in small yards, with minimal green-space, and be forced to poop/pee on command? Seems to me that larger dogs, used to physical activity, have no place here in the confinement of The Villages.
What kind of life does a larger dog have? Longer fur, heat, hot pavements, no place to run free....doesn't sound like it is a lot of fun.

[CFrance]

I always make sure my dog poops in a roundabout .... while riding a bike.

... in the outside lane, going three-quarters of the way around.

[CFrance]

Has anyone ever thought that it is so unfair to a dog to be cooped up in small yards, with minimal green-space, and be forced to poop/pee on command? Seems to me that larger dogs, used to physical activity, have no place here in the confinement of The Villages.
What kind of life does a larger dog have? Longer fur, heat, hot pavements, no place to run free....doesn't sound like it is a lot of fun.

It really depends on the breed. Some smaller dogs require more exercise than larger ones. For instance, a Jack Russel needs much more exercise than a golden. Some larger breeds require limited exercises. The Newfoundland, for example. Whereas Aussies are herders, and the need to run is in their genes.

When you see people walking their dogs, that is their exercise. Behavorists will tell you that letting a dog run around in a dog park is not as good as a 45-minute walk, from an exercise standpoint. Providing them with both is good, and we have both forms of exercise readily available here.

So I guess I respectfully disagree with you, travelguy. Our dog is thrilled with running free in a park. He's also slap-happy when I get out the leash and harness for our walk.

[Barefoot]

Seems to me that larger dogs, used to physical activity, have no place here in the confinement of The Villages.
What kind of life does a larger dog have? Longer fur, heat, hot pavements, no place to run free....doesn't sound like it is a lot of fun.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. :rant-rave: And I wouldn't want owners of large dogs to get the idea they should abandon the plan of moving to The Villages. There is a ten-acre dog park on the outskirts of TV where dogs can romp and play off leash. It's huge and and costs us only $30 per month for two dogs. There are three smaller dog parks provided free within TV, which are golf-cart accessible.

There is the Springdale walking trail, for walking leashed dogs, as well as miles and miles of multi-modal trails with beautiful views. The Vilages is a very pet friendly community and most residents love dogs! Ruf Ruf Woof Woof!! :doggie::doggie:l

[Microcodeboy]

Why post here...This is a waste of your time and gets nothing solved...Next time walk out and have a talk with your neighbor and see if that works...

I did just that. She laughed at me and the rest of the conversation did not go very well. However, she does not walk her dogs on my lawn anymore. So, why did she give me such a hard time? I am only responding since I took look at this thread for the first time in weeks... No more.

[bkcunningham1]

If you see someone walking their dog near your lawn, step outside and yell, "Watch out for that nest of rattlesnakes on the edge of my lawn." Or, "If your dog gets sick, it might be the chemicals they've sprayed on our lawns to keep down on the poisonous spiders."

[Barefoot]

If you see someone walking their dog near your lawn, step outside and yell, "Watch out for that nest of rattlesnakes on the edge of my lawn."

:eclipsee_gold_cup: :a20:

[Tweety Bird]

Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple.

YUP! Pure and simple

[RCM1210]

Different question.. What do you do if its raining all day? Years ago I had two Labs, one Yellow, one Black and loved them. If it were raining when they needed to do their business, I'd open the door and yes they were hesitant about going out, but you know they did. After they did their business, they bolted back inside. I did invest in an invisible fence so I wouldn't have to bolt back inside!!

Since we moved to TV, we've not seen ONE dog owner walk their dog(s) in the rain. Not one!

So I'm in the camp of: davecz1
"Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple".

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

[Barefoot]

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

Me too, I believe in renting or leasing dogs, that way when they get bothersome, back they go! Just kidding, RCM. :mornincoffee:

When it's raining, we head out to the dog park with an umbrella. My little dog doesn't like getting wet, but he forgets that because he loves the dog park so much. And our big dog is too dippy to notice the rain.

[CFrance]

Different question.. What do you do if its raining all day? Years ago I had two Labs, one Yellow, one Black and loved them. If it were raining when they needed to do their business, I'd open the door and yes they were hesitant about going out, but you know they did. After they did their business, they bolted back inside. I did invest in an invisible fence so I wouldn't have to bolt back inside!!

Since we moved to TV, we've not seen ONE dog owner walk their dog(s) in the rain. Not one!

So I'm in the camp of: davecz1
"Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple".

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

We amassed an army of golf umbrellas up north. I saved two good ones & brought them down with us. When it's raining, I take the dog out using the golf umbrella--to keep me dry. The heck with HIM!

However, I don't take him for a walk him in the rain, because we know from experience that his paws kick the dirty water up from the roadway onto his underside, turning it and his legs filthy dirty.

[davecz1]

Different question.. What do you do if its raining all day? Years ago I had two Labs, one Yellow, one Black and loved them. If it were raining when they needed to do their business, I'd open the door and yes they were hesitant about going out, but you know they did. After they did their business, they bolted back inside. I did invest in an invisible fence so I wouldn't have to bolt back inside!!

Since we moved to TV, we've not seen ONE dog owner walk their dog(s) in the rain. Not one!

So I'm in the camp of: davecz1
"Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple".

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

Thanks! Dave

[tommy steam]

Allowing the dog to go out fully extended on retractable leash onto somebody else's yard/property is called

TRESSPASSING. It's not public property!

The first thing that ought to go is the retractable leashes. There is at least one sad account here of an elderly lady in Spanish Springs, walking down the sidewalk, and a dog owner had the cord extended out quite far. The cord is so thin it's not visible and the lady tripped over it and had what could have been a brain and spinal injury but fortunately wasn't.

Also, they are a danger when walking in the streets of neighborhoods without sidewalks. If the dog bolts toward moving car wheels it's a disaster to try to get him pulled back to yourself in an instant.

I saw a guy with his retractable lead the other night, doing 2 inconsiderate things at Lake Sumter Landing, on the lakeside of the Sales Center. First he let the dog go up onto the grass/landscaping at the side doors of the sales center and it was doing its business there. As soon as the dog was done he let it go out about 15 feet from him on the retractable cord. He was on the inside of the sidewalk and the dog was on the outside, with the cord able to trip anyone who came around the corner. It was dusk and the cord was barely visible. I told him people have tripped over cords like that and the dog needs to be kept close to the owner.

He growled and had no intention of doing anything about it. Especially in a town square/downtown, the dog needs to be kept close regardless of what type of leash it's on. Not everybody wants an unknown dog coming up to them!

It will come. Someone will trip over one of these leashes and will get badly injured. The owner will be sued. It's just a matter of time.

[notlongnow]

I have now read this whole thread and I am not sure if this makes me more educated about dog poop or just a person with nothing better to do??
However a few things pop out for me.

First is there are far too many things in TV to do other than watching out of your windows to see if someones dog goes on your lawn.

Second is, did you really move to a community that has no fences, kissing Lanais, 10' apart, no sidewalks, 90+ degrees in the summer with only hot pavement to walk your dog on, with perfect grass everywhere (a favorite of dogs worldwide), a place to find new friends and live out the life you have always dreamed of, and all you can worry about is your neighbor, who could become your best friend ever, and their dog is trespassing on your lawn and could trip and fall and you could be sued, REALLY? If they are cleaning it up and it was just a dog and owner just out for a walk AND they cleaned it up, get over it! I am sure they are not try to do something to you personally.

Third is, I have been on this earth for 60 years, I know not that long, and I have never heard or known of anybody who has been sickened or ill from dog poop. All I can say is don't eat it just in case!

Fourth is, when I live there, I want to take my dog on a walk with Graciegirl and Patty55.
That would be a walk that I would remember forever, two wonderful souls

My post was edited and I don't even know what was changed? It looks the same to me but my post was not directed at the OP. I direct it at the subject of poop watch by anybody that puts that on their list of things that they need to worry about.
What ever was edited out by the Moderator was not intended as an attack and if it seemed that way, what ever it was, I apologize for it.
Everything else I still mean.
EB

[gomoho]

Nicely said EB, but those that hate dogs can't see the forest for the trees - unless a dog might be peeing on one!

[Lovey2]

A lady was half way up my driveway so her dog could go on my grass!! Luckily I wasn't dressed or I would have been outside telling her off. This whole poop issue is UNACCEPTABLE to me. I don't care if you pick it up, and as one dog owner said above, it only encourages other dogs to use you lawn, picked up or not. Get yourselves a cat, like I have, that does her business in private and in MY home. P.S. I am a BIG animal lover, and would love to have a menagarie...but trust me, I would no more stand with an animal "going" on the end of a leash while me either pretending not to notice, or looking on with love, than I would go on someones lawn myself. This is just rude and a little crass.

[Lovey2]

actually..."told her off" was a little hasty. I'm sure I would have just asked her nicely to not do it again...

[keithwand]

A lady was half way up my driveway so her dog could go on my grass!! Luckily I wasn't dressed or I would have been outside telling her off. This whole poop issue is UNACCEPTABLE to me. I don't care if you pick it up, and as one dog owner said above, it only encourages other dogs to use you lawn, picked up or not. Get yourselves a cat, like I have, that does her business in private and in MY home. P.S. I am a BIG animal lover, and would love to have a menagarie...but trust me, I would no more stand with an animal "going" on the end of a leash while me either pretending not to notice, or looking on with love, than I would go on someones lawn myself. This is just rude and a little crass.

That is bold to come up your driveway. I would not be happy either.

[shcisamax]

I have now read this whole thread and I am not sure if this makes me more educated about dog poop or just a person with nothing better to do??
However a few things pop out for me.

First is there are far too many things in TV to do other than watching out of your windows to see if someones dog goes on your lawn.

Second is, did you really move to a community that has no fences, kissing Lanais, 10' apart, no sidewalks, 90+ degrees in the summer with only hot pavement to walk your dog on, with perfect grass everywhere (a favorite of dogs worldwide), a place to find new friends and live out the life you have always dreamed of, and all you can worry about is your neighbor, who could become your best friend ever, and their dog is trespassing on your lawn and could trip and fall and you could be sued, REALLY? If they are cleaning it up and it was just a dog and owner just out for a walk AND they cleaned it up, get over it! I am sure they are not try to do something to you personally.

Third is, I have been on this earth for 60 years, I know not that long, and I have never heard or known of anybody who has been sickened or ill from dog poop. All I can say is don't eat it just in case!

Fourth is, when I live there, I want to take my dog on a walk with Graciegirl and Patty55.
That would be a walk that I would remember forever, two wonderful souls

My post was edited and I don't even know what was changed? It looks the same to me but my post was not directed at the OP. I direct it at the subject of poop watch by anybody that puts that on their list of things that they need to worry about.
What ever was edited out by the Moderator was not intended as an attack and if it seemed that way, what ever it was, I apologize for it.
Everything else I still mean.
EB
:bigbow:

[kittygilchrist]

A lady was half way up my driveway so her dog could go on my grass!! Luckily I wasn't dressed or I would have been outside telling her off. This whole poop issue is UNACCEPTABLE to me. I don't care if you pick it up, and as one dog owner said above, it only encourages other dogs to use you lawn, picked up or not. Get yourselves a cat, like I have, that does her business in private and in MY home. P.S. I am a BIG animal lover, and would love to have a menagarie...but trust me, I would no more stand with an animal "going" on the end of a leash while me either pretending not to notice, or looking on with love, than I would go on someones lawn myself. This is just rude and a little crass.

I'm with you Denise. Thanks for making me think about it...I think I need to get a water cannon, practice my Cherokee war cry, and lose inhibition to charge out of the house naked.
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[graciegirl]

I have to admit it. I enjoy the poop threads. It brings out the best and worst in all of us.:popcorn:

Carry on.

[Patty55]

Halfway up the driveway would be what? Five feet? PUHLEASE....

Just for the record, I no longer walk my dogs, not because I care about lawns... don't care about mine or yours. I no longer do it because I care about the dogs. After hearing about the dried sludge fertilizer I don't want them exposed to E-coli, staph and strep. Instead I take them to the town squares and let them do their thing on the sidewalks.

[RCM1210]

I'm also in the camp of Denise Frayne. I'm still wondering where pet owners let or encourage their pets do their business when its pouring down rain! Pets will do their business on their own lawn if they have been trained to do so and/or have no choice . Then take them for a jog through the neighborhood. Trust me, they will jog along with you and be happy, if they are trained to do so.

[Lovey2]

hahaha!! You're right...we do have tiny driveways! My point simply was, she was not just walking her dog, she was letting him search for a toilet. Not MY lawn... PUHLEASE!

[sobell]

i love dogs. However, when i watched a neighbor walk her two dogs and stop at my lawn this morning while her dog did his business on my lawn, i was shocked. She was not at the edge but well off the street with the dogs on a long leash in the middle of my lawn and waited a while until the dog decided to do his business on my lawn. Yes, she picked it up and yes, one has limited control over such things. But this behavior was rude, inconsiderate and selfish. Why not walk the dogs on your lawn? Or since we are a developing village (hillsborough) with many acres of vacent land, why walk your dogs on your new neighbors lawns? It is just rude!

what's the problem? The poop was picked up! Apparently you don't have a dog , so you don't understand how important it is for them to get exercise as well as poop! Get over it and get a dog. Then you will understand & probably be a much happier person.

[gomoho]

Patty - see you at the square with my two big "poopers".

[RedChariot]

:agree:
1. Your owning a dog does not mean you own the property rights of your neighbors, period, no excuses.
2. Your or your dog entering neighbor's yard to leave a deposit is a trespass violation with a fine up to $1000, whether picked up or just urine are immaterial.
3. Your picking up poop in the neighbor's yard subjects the neighbor to liability lawsuit if you slip and fall, etc.
4. Your walking your dog in neighbor's yards is not just rude, it's crude, self-centered and uncivilized.
5. You or your dog may be subjected to confrontation by the neighbor or the neighbor's dog, with ensuing legal action.

Solutions?
Walk to a common area, or transport the dog to a common area, or get an invisible fence. Or give the dog to someone who is responsible.
Doing the easiest thing on the neighbor's yard and rationalizing it away is using poor judgment splashed with self-pity.

thank you! Thank you!

[Patty55]

Patty - see you at the square with my two big "poopers".

Okey Dokey, I have six, all dressed alike to confuse people. When they run around on their retractable leashes you'd swear there wasn't more than four, I think it's called Trompe L'oeil.

All I know, is I'm happy. Is everyone happy?

[ilovetv]

what's the problem? The poop was picked up! Apparently you don't have a dog , so you don't understand how important it is for them to get exercise as well as poop! Get over it and get a dog. Then you will understand & probably be a much happier person.

The problem is that it's not your (dog owner's) property!

What if a landscaper or construction worker walked up onto her front yard and took a dump there and picked it up, when there are open fields there in Hillsborough? It's a matter of respect for personal property!!

Nobody's "entitled" to use somebody else's property for ANYTHING!

[Barefoot]

I'd guess there might be one person in 5,000 who would find it acceptable to toilet their dog on someone's front lawn. And those few people probably aren't members of TOTV. Over 100 posts later, I'm astonished that people people persist in bashing all the dog owners who live in TV. :ohdear:
If someone trespasses on your property, ask them to stop. It's that simple.

[keithwand]

Halfway up the driveway would be what? Five feet? PUHLEASE....

Just for the record, I no longer walk my dogs, not because I care about lawns... don't care about mine or yours. I no longer do it because I care about the dogs. After hearing about the dried sludge fertilizer I don't want them exposed to E-coli, staph and strep. Instead I take them to the town squares and let them do their thing on the sidewalks.

I was thinking more like midway up which is 15-20 feet for my driveway and that's not right.

[ilovetv]

I'd guess there might be one person in 5,000 who would find it acceptable to toilet their dog on someone's front lawn. And those few people probably aren't members of TOTV. Over 100 posts later, I'm astonished that people people persist in bashing all the dog owners who live in TV. :ohdear:
If someone trespasses on your property, ask them to stop. It's that simple.

Ah....but this is where I disagree. There are numerous people right here in this thread who who mock and condemn and label as "dog haters" the homeowners who expect respect for their property.

[Patty55]

I was thinking more like midway up which is 15-20 feet for my driveway and that's not right.

Whoa, you must live in THE HEIGHTS.

[graciegirl]

umm. I agree with all of you. I'd say MOST of the trillion dog owners in TV are nice and thoughtful and considerate and think of others. The rest are all from.................. fill in the blanks.

No one wants somebody acting like their lawn is someone elses to do with what they may.

I am one of possibly three homeowners in over 100K who have not had a dog poop on her lawn. (In the new house anyway) We had some neighbors who didn't give a rip in Hadley. When I called it to his attention, he picked it up with his BARE hands. sigh.

I love Patty's humor. I love Bare's kindness, sense of responsibility and love for her pets. I love people who say how they feel so others can take it to heart or ignore it completely.

But in the light of the fact we may be embarking on another war, I can't get too worked up about dog poop today.

[Patty55]

Ah....but this is where I disagree. There are numerous people right here in this thread who who mock and condemn and label as "dog haters" the homeowners who expect respect for their property.

For the record, I don't think they are "dog haters". I do think they are control freaks who try to control what they think they can. I also think a lot of people are chronic complainers who if it's not one thing it's another.

I think this topic really has little to do with dogs.

I think some people were made to feel very special by the sales office and their picking marathons and people who maybe never felt special in their lives came away thinking they are special. It's a rude awakening to find out that you aren't special, maybe never were and never will be.

I think that as long as the dog owners pick up after their dogs it's all good.

[kittygilchrist]

I'd guess there might be one person in 5,000 who would find it acceptable to toilet their dog on someone's front lawn. And those few people probably aren't members of TOTV. Over 100 posts later, I'm astonished that people people persist in bashing all the dog owners who live in TV. :ohdear:
If someone trespasses on your property, ask them to stop. It's that simple.

Barefoot, I enjoy reading your posts and feel nice when I do...you know I'm a big dog owner too...
Where I live most everyone walks their dog on the neighbor's grass from one yard to the next and not in the street. They stop when the dog wants to stop on the lawn to let their dog do whatever it wants to do. They walk the dog on the lawns instead of across the street where the lots are not yet built.

One person pm'd me to say thanks for starting a previous poop thread. She said it had never occurred to her until she read the posts that people might object to her dog toileting in their yard.

[TrudyM]

I used to have 3 dogs when I lived up north, now I have one. When we moved here, she would not use our CYV area to do her business. We took up the rock and put down grass thinking that would do the trick. Nope. We invited our neighbors dog to do his business in our yard thinking she would smell it and get the hint. Nope. What other option do we have besides walking her? The public grassy area by our house is all the way down our street so when she has to poop, I have to walk her all the way down there. What do I do when she goes onto someone else's lawn to do her business because she can't wait, except pick it up? At least I do that. She can't walk totally on the hot pavement so I have to give her a little lead on the leash so she can get into the grass or rock before her pads burn. I'm sorry if my dog goes on someone else's lawn, but I do pick it up.

Some dogs won't poop were they live. The one I had as a kid would climb a snow drift rather than poop anywhere near the house.

[Lovey2]

My first time on here for a discussion, and I think it's a riot, quite frankly...especially the bully with the psychiatry degree. I did learn several things tho...1) people love their pets to the exclusion of common sense..fact, I do! 2) if I don't agree with you, I am a control freak and have bigger issues than a simple opinion and 3) the sidewalks in the square are a good place to dump my used kitty litter, as opposed to my neighbor's yard I had been using. I'll be sure to get on here in another year or so to see if I can pick up anymore enlightening life lessons. Ciao!!

[ilovetv]

Barefoot, I enjoy reading your posts and feel nice when I do...you know I'm a big dog owner too...
Where I live most everyone walks their dog on the neighbor's grass from one yard to the next and not in the street. They stop when the dog wants to stop on the lawn to let their dog do whatever it wants to do. They walk the dog on the lawns instead of across the street where the lots are not yet built.

One person pm'd me to say thanks for starting a previous poop thread. She said it had never occurred to her until she read the posts that people might object to her dog toileting in their yard.

THIS is what we're talking about:

"..They stop when the dog wants to stop on the lawn to let their dog do whatever it wants to do. They walk the dog on the lawns instead of across the street where the lots are not yet built..."

And THAT takes gall.

gall noun \ˈgȯl\

Definition of GALL

2 : brazen boldness coupled with impudent assurance and insolence

[CFrance]

Okey Dokey, I have six, all dressed alike to confuse people. When they run around on their retractable leashes you'd swear there wasn't more than four, I think it's called Trompe L'oeil.

All I know, is I'm happy. Is everyone happy?

I think it's called Trip L'oeil.

I'm happy.

[CFrance]

My first time on here for a discussion, and I think it's a riot, quite frankly...especially the bully with the psychiatry degree. I did learn several things tho...1) people love their pets to the exclusion of common sense..fact, I do! 2) if I don't agree with you, I am a control freak and have bigger issues than a simple opinion and 3) the sidewalks in the square are a good place to dump my used kitty litter, as opposed to my neighbor's yard I had been using. I'll be sure to get on here in another year or so to see if I can pick up anymore enlightening life lessons. Ciao!!

Oh, I wouldn't wait a year. This is a self-recycling topic:doggie: Couple months, tops.:popcorn:

[kittygilchrist]

or this thread might go on and on and...

[Lovey2]

hahaha!! Kitty, cfrance, ilovetv and a few others...you guys are too funny!! Much enjoyed your comments. Wish we had a "like" button on here like Facebook!

[gomoho]

Ah....but this is where I disagree. There are numerous people right here in this thread who who mock and condemn and label as "dog haters" the homeowners who expect respect for their property.

Sorry if you felt mocked or condemned by my post, but as a responsible dog owner who toilets their dog in the street if they have to go on our walk, I am sooooooooo tired of all the complaining about the few that don't oblige.:spoken:

[gpirate]

Halfway up the driveway would be what? Five feet? PUHLEASE....

Just for the record, I no longer walk my dogs, not because I care about lawns... don't care about mine or yours. I no longer do it because I care about the dogs. After hearing about the dried sludge fertilizer I don't want them exposed to E-coli, staph and strep. Instead I take them to the town squares and let them do their thing on the sidewalks.

I know when I get moved to TV I want to walk my two boxers with the likes of Barefoot, Patty, & Kitty. Seems to me they are true dog lovers just like me.

[Lovey2]

don't apologize gomoho...this should all be taken with some grains of salt....on a nice big glass filled with some lovely libation :)

[Polar Bear]

...as a responsible dog owner...I am sooooooooo tired of all the complaining about the few that don't oblige.

I gotta admit, gomoho, this is the one thing that I grow tired of about these threads too.

[graciegirl]

My first time on here for a discussion, and I think it's a riot, quite frankly...especially the bully with the psychiatry degree. I did learn several things tho...1) people love their pets to the exclusion of common sense..fact, I do! 2) if I don't agree with you, I am a control freak and have bigger issues than a simple opinion and 3) the sidewalks in the square are a good place to dump my used kitty litter, as opposed to my neighbor's yard I had been using. I'll be sure to get on here in another year or so to see if I can pick up anymore enlightening life lessons. Ciao!!

Oh Denise. You ARE NEW. Most of the sarcasm on this thread comes from the fact that the issue you chose to enter the fray with has been discussed, discussed, discussed and discussed. If you enter dog poop in the search above it will take you back two or three years and show you thread after thread after thread on the same subject. Before then the word POOP had not been used so much. It was called "going" or "using".

I don't have a dog either. I have cats. I love dogs though. I love people too. We all live on small lots and there are a bunch of folks who love their dogs. The ones who are letting their dogs do do do on someone's lawns and not pick it up are the same ones who used to let their kids run wild.

I am REALLY sorry that your feelings are hurt, but many like minded folks agree with you. Please don't leave or stop posting your opinions.

PS. Patty was mostly funnin' us. MOSTLY.

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;

"do do do"?

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
(I love pottymouth jokes...)

[njbchbum]

what's the problem? The poop was picked up! Apparently you don't have a dog , so you don't understand how important it is for them to get exercise as well as poop! Get over it and get a dog. Then you will understand & probably be a much happier person.

sobell - owned several dogs - loved them all - travel too much to own one now. that said - i find little in life more disgusting than enjoying a respite on my front facing lanai with a meal or a beverage and having to watch a dog of any size relieve itself on my lawn in front of me - and then watch an owner pick up a deposit it and bag it! that might be something you accept - but i cannot.

why do you think the villages offers dog parks - for exercise!

[Lovey2]

graciegirl, thank you but you misunderstand my own sarcastic self...my feelings are not hurt, this isn't nearly important enough for that...besides, I am only funnin' myself...MOSTLY!! I can see where this would be a very controversial topic, and am a dog and people lover too. I AM NOT, however, a do do lover...hahaha...as "The Doctor" said...it's all good! :)

[OCsun]

The last neighborhood i lived was full of young families with dogs. When we walked our dogs, we stopped and talked to each other. Our dogs sniffed each other and peed next to each other. Nobody ever complained as long as we all followed the golden rule. If they poop you scoop, if they pee its free.
We spent more time making sure our neighborhood was safe for the kids and that there was always a parent at the bus stop each morning and afternoon. Anyone in the neighborhood who complained about an occasional child cutting through their property to get to the park or a dog peeing on their lawn was condered an old sour puss!

And that's all I have to say about that!!!;)

[CFrance]

If I had lived in Ocean City, MD, I wouldn't have cared about what the dogs did either! Our vacation spot for decades.

Seriously, you make a good point about your neighborhood being young families with dogs, walking and talking. I think it would make a big difference if you were in a homogenous neighborhood, with everyone doing the same thing. If I'm outside with my dog, talking to a neighbor with her dog and the dog pees on the yard... oh, well. No big deal.

But it's different to be looking out your window and see a stranger walking by, allowing his dog on a long leash to roam around in people's yards. This is not your typical suburban neighborhood. These are tiny lots with houses 20 feet apart; we already live in each other's back pockets. The need to respect privacy and property is great.

[graciegirl]

If I had lived in Ocean City, MD, I wouldn't have cared about what the dogs did either! Our vacation spot for decades.

Seriously, you make a good point about your neighborhood being young families with dogs, walking and talking. I think it would make a big difference if you were in a homogenous neighborhood, with everyone doing the same thing. If I'm outside with my dog, talking to a neighbor with her dog and the dog pees on the yard... oh, well. No big deal.

But it's different to be looking out your window and see a stranger walking by, allowing his dog on a long leash to roam around in people's yards. This is not your typical suburban neighborhood. These are tiny lots with houses 20 feet apart; we already live in each other's back pockets. The need to respect privacy and property is great.

That attitude of yours. I can't decide what about you I love the best.

And I would love to personally meet your pup. I have a feeling we would really get along.

[kittygilchrist]

The last neighborhood i lived was full of young families with dogs. When we walked our dogs, we stopped and talked to each other. Our dogs sniffed each other and peed next to each other. Nobody ever complained as long as we all followed the golden rule. If they poop you scoop, if they pee its free.
We spent more time making sure our neighborhood was safe for the kids and that there was always a parent at the bus stop each morning and afternoon. Anyone in the neighborhood who complained about an occasional child cutting through their property to get to the park or a dog peeing on their lawn was condered an old sour puss!

And that's all I have to say about that!!!;)

Sounds just like here. Some people let their dogs go in the yards of others and speak ill of them if they dislike it. Some people dislike it.

[Here2Stay]

The things we worry at our age is rather sad....when you actually can count in your head the number of months left in your :"life span"; think you might want to enjoy your life instead of finding fault in so many 'little things" We can all find silly things to complain about, however, with a life span of about 360 months....(based off our family history) I think every minute being positive is far more important. Think about it! How many months to you have left! Is this really worth your time!

Shame on those who don't pickup after their pets, I agree with that...otherwise its JUST grass! Just freaking GRASS! Say whatever you want....unless they don't pick up....its just "freaking grass"!

[billethkid]

also remember the first line of defense/offense is to tell them to stop using your yard....which means a face to face encounter and 95% will not do that....but will easily sit at the keyboard and hammer away about the "disgust".

And also remember what is being discussed, as usual, are the isolated incidents.....the other 98% are doing just fine and normally not discussed.

Lastly get up quick and turn on the sprinkler system!;)

btk

[CFrance]

That attitude of yours. I can't decide what about you I love the best.

And I would love to personally meet your pup. I have a feeling we would really get along.

You got it! He's going to come stay with you for three weeks in September. Thank you SO much!!! :a040::a040::a040:

[D&Lsunfun]

The entire pool/park area has been turned into a "doggie park", (Tamarind Grove)
with the smell, barking and extra car/cart traffic just to get to the "most beautiful pool". The beautiful park is nothing more than a dumping area. Owners allow their dogs to run without leashes, so how do you pickup the feces. What a unpleasant surprise for the landscapers. This is not a doggie park. It is a neighborhood park/pool, for people.
Same thing for owners that think it is okay for dogs to be walked on the golf course after hours. Not a doggie park.

[nanci2539]

I'm kind of chuckling at these posts. I have cats but I do love all my friend's dogs. When I lived up north, my neighbor took her little dog over to introduce her to me. She came into my home before I had a chance to say my cat was roaming around. He was a 26lb Maine Coon. Ben, my cat, backed her dog into a corner where she, the dog, got so nervous, she pooped on my brand new rug!

End of story!

[kittygilchrist]

I'm kind of chuckling at these posts. I have cats but I do love all my friend's dogs. When I lived up north, my neighbor took her little dog over to introduce her to me. She came into my home before I had a chance to say my cat was roaming around. He was a 26lb Maine Coon. Ben, my cat, backed her dog into a corner where she, the dog, got so nervous, she pooped on my brand new rug!

End of story!

LOL that's a good one. no poop in this story but we had a feral "Mama Cat" just tame enuf to pick a closet inside for her kits, but nobody could come near her. Then we dogsat my mother's german shepherd, who poked his nose in the br door where Mama Cat had her brood.
I can still see the shepherd wheeling backwards down the hall with Mama Cat smacking his nose.

[CFrance]

Okay, since this thread's kinda hijacked already... We had a beagle mix when I was growing up. We had a cat too. I was in the kitchen one day when the cat came racing through with the beagle in hot pursuit, and down the cellar steps they went. That was a big cellar, so they were down there a bit hissing and barking, when up comes the beagle with the cat in hot pursuit...

I love love love cats and dogs.

[notlongnow]

See, the dog poop thread has transformed into a great place to tell stories about some of the most beloved members of our families and remember why we love them so much.

Oh, and every once in a while they poop on the neighbors yard and we clean it up! I have had loved family members do more damage than that! Maybe I should try the sprinkler idea on them?
Now how do I get them to go stand in the front yard and not suspect anything?

I love it when there is a happy ending to a story.

EB

[Easyrider]

Shame on those who don't pickup after their pets, I agree with that...otherwise its JUST grass! Just freaking GRASS! Say whatever you want....unless they don't pick up....its just "freaking grass"!

Some people do love their grass just like some people do love their dogs. If the grass belongs to them and is their property I totally respect their right to do so and in the process they have the right to be just as irrational as some of the dog owners about it..

[njbchbum]

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Shame on those who don't pickup after their pets, I agree with that...otherwise its JUST grass! Just freaking GRASS! Say whatever you want....unless they don't pick up....its just "freaking grass"!

but it's not the pet owner's/dog walker's GRASS! i wonder when entitlement replaced respect.

[Easyrider]

but it's not the pet owner's/dog walker's GRASS! i wonder when entitlement replaced respect.



Neighbor came from their yard straight across the street to my yard with her dog and took care of business 10-12 feet up into the yard. She did go after it but....

I had a little discussion with her on the spot and the problem was solved right then. No need to be excessively ugly but just let them know you would appreciate it if it not ever happen again and it works!

[senior citizen]

I love dogs. However, when I watched a neighbor walk her two dogs and stop at my lawn this morning while her dog did his business on my lawn, I was shocked. She was not at the edge but well off the street with the dogs on a long leash in the middle of my lawn and waited a while until the dog decided to do his business on my lawn. Yes, she picked it up and yes, one has limited control over such things. But this behavior was rude, inconsiderate and selfish. Why not walk the dogs on YOUR LAWN? Or since we are a developing village (Hillsborough) with many acres of vacent land, why walk your dogs on your new neighbors lawns? It is just RUDE!

She certainly must be our neighbor from up in Vermont. This woman walks three dogs on a long leash and lets them go wherever they wish......up our hill which is a steep front lawn.........or most blatantly RIGHT ON THE SIGN WHICH IS A LITTLE WHITE DOG WITH THE RED LETTERS "NO".......that's their favorite spot to do their business.

She even cooks special food for these pooches........who are her life.
I "GET IT"........but yes, it is rude.

[CFrance]

but it's not the pet owner's/dog walker's GRASS! i wonder when entitlement replaced respect.

I agree. Would you go poop in your neighbor's lawn? Where did that right come form?

[Barefoot]

Neighbor came from their yard straight across the street to my yard with her dog and took care of business 10-12 feet up into the yard. She did go after it but.... I had a little discussion with her on the spot and the problem was solved right then. No need to be excessively ugly but just let them know you would appreciate it if it not ever happen again and it works!

I would be interested to hear your neighbor's explanation of why she thought it was OK to use your yard and not her own yard? I'd love to hear the logic, or are people just so self absorbed they honestly don't know they're unwelcome?

Having said that, let's remember that 99% of dog owners in TV are considerate and respectful!!

[Easyrider]

I would be interested to hear your neighbor's explanation of why she thought it was OK to use your yard and not her own yard? I'd love to hear the logic, or are people just so self absorbed they honestly don't know they're unwelcome?

Having said that, let's remember that 99% of dog owners in TV are considerate and respectful!!

She just said she was sorry, no other explanation as to why she thought it was OK. I was totally surprised as I was standing right in the garage when it happened.

[Barefoot]

Barefoot, I enjoy reading your posts and feel nice when I do...you know I'm a big dog owner too...
One person pm'd me to say thanks for starting a previous poop thread. She said it had never occurred to her until she read the posts that people might object to her dog toileting in their yard.

She just said she was sorry, no other explanation as to why she thought it was OK.

I've always hated these threads bashing (what sometimes feels like all dog walkers), when only a few of them disrespect others' properties. But perhaps there is a need for these threads after all. Could it really be true that some people think it's OK to walk their dogs walk half way up your lawn to poop?

No, I really don't see how anyone would need to have that pointed out to them!! Unless you were raised in a Zoo, common courtesy should keep dog walkers away from private property, on the sidewalk, or in dog parks and public areas.

[Judyh]

Saturday morning the 31st I was walking the cart path near the Sunset Point gate when I noticed a couple walking what looked to be a Mastiff dog on the grass around the pond. My thought was large dog – large poop.
I was pleased to note that the man was carrying a plastic bag with the dog’s waste. I then turned around at the gate to walk back when I noticed the man’s hands were empty. I asked him what he did with the waste – his comment “I threw it behind the bushes (pointing to the bushes by the gate sign) because there is no waste container for him to dump it in”. I told him it was a terrible thing to do but my comments did not seem to faze either he or his wife.
Are we to ruin our beautiful landscaping because a bad dog owner is too lazy to carry his dog’s waste home to his own trash???

[Judyh]

Saturday morning the 31st I was walking the cart path near the Sunset Point gate when I noticed a couple walking what looked to be a Mastiff dog on the grass around the pond. My thought was large dog – large poop.
I was pleased to note that the man was carrying a plastic bag with the dog’s waste. I then turned around at the gate to walk back when I noticed the man’s hands were empty. I asked him what he did with the waste – his comment “I threw it behind the bushes (pointing to the bushes by the gate sign) because there is no waste container for him to dump it in”. I told him it was a terrible thing to do but my comments did not seem to faze either he or his wife.
Are we to ruin our beautiful landscaping because a bad dog owner is too lazy to carry his dog’s waste home to his own trash???

[Judyh]

Saturday morning the 31st I was walking the cart path near the Sunset Point gate when I noticed a couple walking what looked to be a Mastiff dog on the grass around the pond. My thought was large dog – large poop.
I was pleased to note that the man was carrying a plastic bag with the dog’s waste. I then turned around at the gate to walk back when I noticed the man’s hands were empty. I asked him what he did with the waste – his comment “I threw it behind the bushes (pointing to the bushes by the gate sign) because there is no waste container for him to dump it in”. I told him it was a terrible thing to do but my comments did not seem to faze either he or his wife.
Are we to ruin our beautiful landscaping because a bad dog owner is too lazy to carry his dog’s waste home to his own trash???

[ilovetv]

Saturday morning the 31st I was walking the cart path near the Sunset Point gate when I noticed a couple walking what looked to be a Mastiff dog on the grass around the pond. My thought was large dog – large poop.
I was pleased to note that the man was carrying a plastic bag with the dog’s waste. I then turned around at the gate to walk back when I noticed the man’s hands were empty. I asked him what he did with the waste – his comment “I threw it behind the bushes (pointing to the bushes by the gate sign) because there is no waste container for him to dump it in”. I told him it was a terrible thing to do but my comments did not seem to faze either he or his wife.
Are we to ruin our beautiful landscaping because a bad dog owner is too lazy to carry his dog’s waste home to his own trash???

I doubt it's laziness and more like he doesn't want the horrendous STENCH in the garbage can/bag in his own garage.

People who want to raise livestock the size of shetland ponies need to buy a farm or ranchette, not a house on a postage-stamp sized lot in a giant country-club!

[gomoho]

That is a pathetic excuse for a dog owner - LAZY and ENTITLED are the words that come to my mind. I can assure you this idiot would have just as readily thrown a bag of poop from a small dog in the same location - once a jerk, always a jerk.

[kittygilchrist]

JudyH, you've got a lot of nerve posting on here where everybody in the neighborhood will figure out who's the guy throwing dog poop and plastic bags into the bushes.
Well done. I like your nerve.
Kitty

[Barefoot]

Are we to ruin our beautiful landscaping because a bad dog owner is too lazy to carry his dog’s waste home to his own trash???

Is that an example of a lazy and inconsiderate dog owner? Yes.
Will one owner ruin your landscaping? No.
Will a lot of dog owners do the same thing? No.

[kittygilchrist]

8:16 pm. Sept 1, I was just taking the trash out. a dog was 12 feet up on my lawn. the bad owner said, oh sorry, she likes to say hi to everybody and pulled the dog into the street.

I took out the second bag of trash. Bad owner was two doors down with her dog toileting 12 feet up into the neighbor's yard. Across the street from our houses are sand lots big enough to build 6 homes.

Dog and owner turned around the culdesac and I waited for them to come back to have a word with the owner. She diverted, taking the dog through the yards of models on the culdesac and went over to the next block, apparently to avoid me.

[perrjojo]

8:16 pm. Sept 1, I was just taking the trash out. a dog was 12 feet up on my lawn. the bad owner said, oh sorry, she likes to say hi to everybody and pulled the dog into the street.

I took out the second bag of trash. Bad owner was two doors down with her dog toileting 12 feet up into the neighbor's yard. Across the street from our houses are sand lots big enough to build 6 homes.

Dog and owner turned around the culdesac and I waited for them to come back to have a word with the owner. She diverted, taking the dog through the yards of models on the culdesac and went over to the next block, apparently to avoid me.

As they say...you can't fix stupid! Yes, I am a dog owner but would never let my dog that far up in a yard and would certainly try to keep them from relieving themself even just off the curb. Jessh!

[Easyrider]

Is that an example of a lazy and inconsiderate dog owner? Yes.

Will a lot of dog owners do the same thing? No.



A lot more of them will do it or similar acts than many can apparently accept as a reality. It happens all the time, see it most everyday. A lot of examples on here. Guy on the corner dumps his in the storm sewer daily and he knows better, doesn't use a bag, uses a scoop type thing with about a 3 foot handle so he doesn't have to touch it or bend down and then bangs it on the storm grate. Front of Peach Wave tonight, dog craps and owner wanders off with the dog leaving it all in the grass.

[CFrance]

A lot more of them will do it or similar acts than many can apparently accept as a reality. It happens all the time, see it most everyday. A lot of examples on here. Guy on the corner dumps his in the storm sewer daily and he knows better, doesn't use a bag, uses a scoop type thing with about a 3 foot handle so he doesn't have to touch it or bend down and then bangs it on the storm grate. Front of Peach Wave tonight, dog craps and owner wanders off with the dog leaving it all in the grass.

Since you know who this is, you need to call and file a complaint. It was happening in my friend's neighborhood, and it abruptly stopped. Somebody called it in. Even without proof, contact from the right people will usually let the offender know that he is being watched might stop the behavior.

[Polar Bear]

A lot more of them will do it or similar acts than many can apparently accept as a reality. It happens all the time, see it most everyday. A lot of examples on here. Guy on the corner dumps his in the storm sewer daily and he knows better, doesn't use a bag, uses a scoop type thing with about a 3 foot handle so he doesn't have to touch it or bend down and then bangs it on the storm grate. Front of Peach Wave tonight, dog craps and owner wanders off with the dog leaving it all in the grass.

No denying they exist, but your examples still don't constitute even a small fraction of the number of responsible pet owners in TV.

[kittygilchrist]

Every day, I see numerous nuisance dog owners intentionally toileting dogs in yards within a couple of blocks of my home. I haven't observed other neighborhoods, but it appears to the norm in this one.

[gomoho]

Every day, I see numerous nuisance dog owners intentionally toileting dogs in yards within a couple of blocks of my home. I haven't observed other neighborhoods, but it appears to the norm in this one.

Sounds like someone needs to organize a driveway party and get this straight; however, I wouldn't encourage the use of the empty lots 'cause once they get built on the dogs will want to continue to go to that location.
I live in Hadley and can tell you I have only seen one very, very old person doing this and we have lots of dogs in our immediate area.

[graciegirl]

I don't have a dog in this fight. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that the frequent posters on this forum who are dog owners are responsible dog owners and it hurts me for them to have to read criticisms so frequently from posters who are legitimately incensed....but.........

I may be wrong on this one, but I think a fair amount of people who bring this up repeatedly would be happier in a dog free zone...if such a place exists on this earth.

I think that people who do selfish, impulsive and lazy things and don't live within the rules of society until they are caught or shamed are gonna figure out a way to continue to not care where their dogs go, continue to run stop signs, continue to save chairs at the squares, continue to throw trash out of their carts and cars, continue to take first, and NOT show much caring or respect for other people.

It is a damn shame and the human condition which to me is becoming more prevalent outside the bubble because we who live here mostly belong to the ethical generations.

Is this Sunday? Is that a sermon? Where is Betty? I am gonna get it now.

[Barefoot]

No denying they exist, but your examples still don't constitute even a small fraction of the number of responsible pet owners in TV.

Folks .... disrespectful behavior is not the norm in The Villages! It's just not! Most dog owners are very respectful of other residents' front lawns. Some of you, in your posts, are describing a few rude or self-absorbed people and trying to say it's the norm. Well, it's just not! I don't understand why people want to fixate on bad behavior of a few misguided people, life is not perfect, get over it.

Assuming only 20% of home owners in our dog-friendly community have one pet each, and I think that's a conservative estimate ... that's a lot of dogs. When the Developer made TV a dog-friendly community, he should have provided more dog parks. Well, that didn't happen. Most people toilet their dogs in their back yards or drive them to one of the three tiny dog parks provided by TV, or to the private dog park on CR 101.

With the number of dog owners that we have in TV, yes, there will be an occasional incident where someone is lazy and disrespectful. Just like people throwing cigar butts on golf courses or passing your golf cart and then slamming on the brakes. But it's NOT the norm.

[kittygilchrist]

I'm glad to know that, Barefoot. I'm in an area under construction. Perhaps folks are used to: nobody living in that house yet, and that's a model, and we used to go here when it was an empty lot.

Maybe when everything is built and somebody is home it will be different.
I am heartened to know you guys think this is not the norm in TV.

[Microcodeboy]

Wow! What a great topic. Hope I got your blood movin faster...

Just thought a followup would be appropriate. First, I REALLY LOVE DOGS. I run in the mornings and for 30+ years have never passed the opportunity to rub a dogs head. Many of my friends are dogs.

The other day I realized one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn. Deciding I needed to man up here, I went outside and thanked him for being considerate. It works both ways. Anyone who really loves dogs would not want his/her dog to be invading on someone's property since the dog does not know any better.

Thanks for all the entertainment and what is likely to continue. For a non-participant in any social media except this, I am truly impressed. Look forward to meeting all of you and being full time in TV (October).

Thanks again!

[kittygilchrist]

Wow! What a great topic. Hope I got your blood movin faster...

Just thought a followup would be appropriate. First, I REALLY LOVE DOGS. I run in the mornings and for 30+ years have never passed the opportunity to rub a dogs head. Many of my friends are dogs.

The other day I realized one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn. Deciding I needed to man up here, I went outside and thanked him for being considerate. It works both ways. Anyone who really loves dogs would not want his/her dog to be invading on someone's property since the dog does not know any better.

Thanks for all the entertainment and what is likely to continue. For a non-participant in any social media except this, I am truly impressed. Look forward to meeting all of you and being full time in TV (October).

Thanks again!

YES! Op says as a result of this thread:
one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn.
well done...

[CFrance]

I don't have a dog in this fight. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that the frequent posters on this forum who are dog owners are responsible dog owners and it hurts me for them to have to read criticisms so frequently from posters who are legitimately incensed....but.........

I may be wrong on this one, but I think a fair amount of people who bring this up repeatedly would be happier in a dog free zone...if such a place exists on this earth.

I think that people who do selfish, impulsive and lazy things and don't live within the rules of society until they are caught or shamed are gonna figure out a way to continue to not care where their dogs go, continue to run stop signs, continue to save chairs at the squares, continue to throw trash out of their carts and cars, continue to take first, and NOT show much caring or respect for other people.

It is a damn shame and the human condition which to me is becoming more prevalent outside the bubble because we who live here mostly belong to the ethical generations.

Is this Sunday? Is that a sermon? Where is Betty? I am gonna get it now.

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

You rock, GG. And whoever Betty is, she better stay away.:swear:

[Easyrider]

No denying they exist, but your examples still don't constitute even a small fraction of the number of responsible pet owners in TV.

So just how many would it take and how would anyone know how many there are that do the right thing and how many don't?

There are a lot of complaints on here about bad drivers also but they too are likely a small fraction of all the drivers but should we just accept them?

Statements without any facts are just opinions..The true numbers if ever known could be a real surprise to everyone..

[Polar Bear]

So just how many would it take and how would anyone know how many there are that do the right thing and how many don't?...

If you truly believe that the number of bad pet owners even comes close to the number of good pet owners in TV, then I'm afraid we simply have no common ground for discussion.

[billethkid]

you can rest assured the number who don't obey the rules on anything are less than 5%.....make it 10% for the sake of argument.

Like all other minority (not race....except sometimes) issues the only thing we hear about are the "bad" actors. As a result public communications are all too often extrapolated to make it sound as thought the bad actors are the prevalent norm......THEY ARE NOT!!

Most people (pick your own number) do the right thing. And most people are too polite to take the bad actors to task......and the bad actors know it....that is why the continue to get away with it.

I never lack for spirited activity. I happen to be one of those that if you do something wrong....and I see it.....I will call you on it.
My wife has said for years I am going to get us killed....not really. Bad actors for the most part are wusses.....for the most part.

btk

[CFrance]

you can rest assured the number who don't obey the rules on anything are less than 5%.....make it 10% for the sake of argument.

Like all other minority (not race....except sometimes) issues the only thing we hear about are the "bad" actors. As a result public communications are all too often extrapolated to make it sound as thought the bad actors are the prevalent norm......THEY ARE NOT!!

Most people (pick your own number) do the right thing. And most people are too polite to take the bad actors to task......and the bad actors know it....that is why the continue to get away with it.

I never lack for spirited activity. I happen to be one of those that if you do something wrong....and I see it.....I will call you on it.
My wife has said for years I am going to get us killed....not really. Bad actors for the most part are wusses.....for the most part.

btk

BTK, I applaud you and worry about you at the same time. Good for you, but take care, please.

[Easyrider]

If you truly believe that the number of bad pet owners even comes close to the number of good pet owners in TV, then I'm afraid we simply have no common ground for discussion.

The number isn't really important since no one really knows what it is anyway.

There are enough bad ones that it is easy to see them pretty much everyday usually more than once and I would say that's too many. I do handle the ones on my property.

[Barefoot]

There are a lot of complaints on here about bad drivers also but they too are likely a small fraction of all the drivers but should we just accept them?


If your mission is to eliminate bad drivers and disrespectful dog walkers, you may find it depressing to focus on a few negative and rare aspects of Village living. Instead, why not enjoy the many wonderful blessings that The Villages has to offer.

[gomoho]

Barefoot - good point. There are some things I see in TV that bother me and I wish I could change, but I prefer to put them out of mind and enjoy all the good things being offered - my glass is half full. Thank you very much.

[looneycat]

I used to have 3 dogs when I lived up north, now I have one. When we moved here, she would not use our CYV area to do her business. We took up the rock and put down grass thinking that would do the trick. Nope. We invited our neighbors dog to do his business in our yard thinking she would smell it and get the hint. Nope. What other option do we have besides walking her? The public grassy area by our house is all the way down our street so when she has to poop, I have to walk her all the way down there. What do I do when she goes onto someone else's lawn to do her business because she can't wait, except pick it up? At least I do that. She can't walk totally on the hot pavement so I have to give her a little lead on the leash so she can get into the grass or rock before her pads burn. I'm sorry if my dog goes on someone else's lawn, but I do pick it up.

I grew up in NYC, the only place for most people to walk their dogs was on the pavement....it didn't hurt those dogs it wouldn't hurt yours. You CAN keep your dog on a shorter leash! I do applaud your other efforts to create a place for your dog to go.

[Easyrider]

If your mission is to eliminate bad drivers and disrespectful dog walkers, you may find it depressing to focus on a few negative and rare aspects of Village living. Instead, why not enjoy the many wonderful blessings that The Villages has to offer.

Thanks so much for trying to clear everything up but I don't need the suggestions and none of my blessings for sure don't come from the Villages. Problems with dog owners happens to be the title of the thread in case you had forgotten. Being here full time might make a difference too.

[CFrance]

The number isn't really important since no one really knows what it is anyway.

There are enough bad ones that it is easy to see them pretty much everyday usually more than once and I would say that's too many. I do handle the ones on my property.

Don't know where you live, but I don't see this happening once a month, much less once a day. Doggy things, that is. Bad drivers I see a few times a week.

[Easyrider]

Don't know where you live, but I don't see this happening once a month, much less once a day. Doggy things, that is. Bad drivers I see a few times a week.

Sometimes we see what we want to see......I would doubt a bad driver even notices other bad drivers..

[CFrance]

Sometimes we see what we want to see......I would doubt a bad driver even notices other bad drivers..

That goes both ways.

[Easyrider]

That goes both ways.

Care to explain what goes both ways?

[CFrance]

Care to explain what goes both ways?

I was referring to your seeing bad behavior by dog owners and my not seeing the same rate of occurrence that you do. When we first got here two years ago, I saw more evidence of irresponsible dog-handling behavior than I do now. My observation--it has improved. Perhaps these relentless dog-poop threads (which I love, for some reason) are having a positive effect.

Bad drivers, I don't know... Even in the off-season, we see people executing the roundabouts incorrectly several times a week.

[Easyrider]

I was referring to your seeing bad behavior by dog owners and my not seeing the same rate of occurrence that you do. When we first got here two years ago, I saw more evidence of irresponsible dog-handling behavior than I do now. My observation--it has improved. Perhaps these relentless dog-poop threads (which I love, for some reason) are having a positive effect.

Bad drivers, I don't know... Even in the off-season, we see people executing the roundabouts incorrectly several times a week.

Thanks for the explanation. I do think dog owners are more tolerant of other dog owners and the things they do than non dog owners. I have had many, many, dogs and the last was a beautiful Sheltie but chose not to have one here. I know how attached you can get to them even to the point of overlooking most anything. However dog owners should realize that most people that don't have a dog see them as just animals or peeing and pooping machines looking for their lawn to relieve themselves.

[CFrance]

Thanks for the explanation. I do think dog owners are more tolerant of other dog owners and the things they do than non dog owners. I have had many, many, dogs and the last was a beautiful Sheltie but chose not to have one here. I know how attached you can get to them even to the point of overlooking most anything. However dog owners should realize that most people that don't have a dog see them as just animals or peeing and pooping machines looking for their lawn to relieve themselves.

And I totally agree with that, and if you could see all my dog-poop posts over the last year or so, you would see we're on the same page. There just is no reason to have your dog on someone else's property. The "my dog won't pee anywhere else" excuse just doesn't hold with me. They're all trainable, if you're committed to do the right thing.

I don't think bad drivers are trainable, though!!:cryin2:

[kittygilchrist]

update on a neighborhood with apparent license to pee and poop all over.
There are definitely responsible owners here who walk pups on the street and cross over to unbuilt lots before dog is allowed to choose a spot.
And there are apparently, call it enclaves, where bordering and extended neighbors mutually agree that dog pooping is Ok.

the problem is obvious: when your close neighbors all love having your pups go in their yards, that seems like a neighborhood norm.

[maddie101]

I don't have the answer for a dog pooping in another yard now and then. We live in a gated community where nobody ever cared as long as it was promptly picked up. I have no problem with dogs going in my yard (if picked up) Believe me, we will make sure our dog doesn't poop in your yard when we move there. Honestly never thought about this really one way or another since our neighborhood has not made this an issue. Reading this post has made me AWARE. Thank you.

HOWEVER, I am surprised the DIAPER GENIE has not been discussed on this long thread. I do have the answer for those that don't want to bring the poop home because of the smell in the garage with the hot summers. The Diaper Genie will mask the odors and it is sanitary. We use biodegradable bags, too. I agree there is no reason to toss the bag behind bushes or drop down a sewer.

[gomoho]

Maddie101-just googled Diaper Genie - never thought of that - will give it a try - thanks for the recommendation.

[kittygilchrist]

I don't have the answer for a dog pooping in another yard now and then. We live in a gated community where nobody ever cared as long as it was promptly picked up. I have no problem with dogs going in my yard (if picked up) Believe me, we will make sure our dog doesn't poop in your yard when we move there. Honestly never thought about this really one way or another since our neighborhood has not made this an issue. Reading this post has made me AWARE. Thank you.
:welcome:
HOWEVER, I am surprised the DIAPER GENIE has not been discussed on this long thread. I do have the answer for those that don't want to bring the poop home because of the smell in the garage with the hot summers. The Diaper Genie will mask the odors and it is sanitary. We use biodegradable bags, too. I agree there is no reason to toss the bag behind bushes or drop down a sewer.

Maddie, I've learned that many of the people down the street seem to have an understanding that dogs can go in everybody's yards. Maybe you'll have neighbors like that. Personally, I'd prefer not to have people or dogs in my yard unless they're visiting me and Emma.
I go to great lengths, usually exporting the dog in the car or cart, to let her poop somewhere she's happy and I'm not on private property.
I'm happy to see that these dialogues give everybody a chance to know what each other is thinking.
Kitty

[Irish Rover]

nysnowbirds, don't put up with that s__t! Stay in NY where animals never take a dump.

[Barefoot]

nysnowbirds, don't put up with that s__t! Stay in NY where animals never take a dump.:highfive:

[drbales]

Fact - The villages will never be a dog friendly community - too many old farts with nothing to do but complain about everything they don't agree with or have control over.

Helpful solution for most - MOVE (hopefully out of state)

[graciegirl]

Fact - The villages will never be a dog friendly community - too many old farts with nothing to do but complain about everything they don't agree with or have control over.

Helpful solution for most - MOVE (hopefully out of state)

Most of us old um...folks like dogs a LOT.

And we are in charge of running the world and complaining.....because we are older and smarter. Didn't you KNOW THAT??????? ;)

[kittygilchrist]

Intolerance of intolerance mystifies me.

[CFrance]

Greetings from NYC, where we just passed a Weimeraner taking a big dump on the sidewalk, with nobody going tsk, tsk, and owner standing by with poop bag.

[kittygilchrist]

eww.

[gomoho]

They're everywhere folks - just checked into the dog friendly La Quinta Inn and sure enough right out front on the lawn 2 piles of poop. Here is a chain welcoming our fur friends at no additional charge and some idiot takes advantage. People suck! Dogs rule!

[Barefoot]

They're everywhere folks - just checked into the dog friendly La Quinta Inn and sure enough right out front on the lawn 2 piles of poop. Here is a chain welcoming our fur friends at no additional charge and some idiot takes advantage. People suck! Dogs rule!

It's true, there are idiot dog owners and they make me so mad because they give the rest of us a bad name. :boom:

[perrjojo]

They're everywhere folks - just checked into the dog friendly La Quinta Inn and sure enough right out front on the lawn 2 piles of poop. Here is a chain welcoming our fur friends at no additional charge and some idiot takes advantage. People suck! Dogs rule!

I love LaQuinta...

[Microcodeboy]

nysnowbirds, don't put up with that s__t! Stay in ny where animals never take a dump.

really?? That is your answer? Wow!