Workaround to Morse's Concrete Curtain

[EdV]

I have come up with a potential plan to share with you if you’re willing to put the time into it. Here it is:

Go to google earth (or whatever mapping software you have) and type in this address “Bowersox Dr. Lady Lake, FL”.

To the left of Bowersox Dr. is an empty lot that is an unpaved street continuance of Bowersox under the control of the town of Lady Lake. To the left of that you will see a rather large (24 acre) lot and residence that is owned by Mr. Ron Brown, the original owner of much of the land around here. And then to the left of that is Lowes.

Now before I say anything else, do not, repeat, DO NOT starting using this entrance because you’ll be trespassing across his residential property and he is the last person you want to pi$$ of at this point. Remember he was instrumental in getting approval for a paved path through the new HarborChase complex aand across his commercial property.

Instead work with Elaine Dreidame of the POA to get a meeting with HarborChase of Villages Crossing. The objective would be to see if Mr. Brown would be willing to allow temporary golf cart access through the lower part of his property until the wall issue is somehow resolved.

Remember the Mr. Brown sold the land to Harbor Chase and worked with them to get a paved path approved by the town. So if Gary Morse built the Concrete Curtain to put the screws them, this might be a great way to stick him back.

Also, from the information in the Lady Lake Land Records, it appears that this little plot of land next to Bowersox is not part of Orange Blossoms Hills and is therefore not subject to their deed restrictions that might otherwise preclude using this property for a cart path.

Comments and discussions are encouraged but please keep this thread limited to discussing this potential workaround and not the wall itself.

[wendyquat]

I have come up with a potential plan to share with you if you�re willing to put the time into it. Here it is:

Go to google earth (or whatever mapping software you have) and type in this address �Bowersox Dr. Lady Lake, FL� To the left of Bowersox Dr. is an empty lot that is owned by Mr. Ron Brown, the original owner of much of the land around here. Then in the large vacant area to the left of that lot you will see a rather large residence. That�s his home. And to the left of that is Lowes.

Now before I say anything else, do not, repeat, DO NOT starting using this entrance because you�ll be trespassing across his residential property and he is the last person you want to pi$$ of at this point. Remember he was instrumental in getting approval for a paved path through the new HarborChase complex aand across his commercial property.


Instead work with Elaine Dreidame of the POA to get a meeting with HarborChase of Villages Crossing. The objective would be to see if Mr. Brown would be willing to allow temporary golf cart access through the lower part of his property until the wall issue is somehow resolved.

Remember the Mr. Brown sold the land to Harbor Chase and worked with them to get a paved path approved by the town. So if Gary Morse built the Concrete Curtain to put the screws them, this might be a great way to stick him back.

Also, from the information in the Lady Lake Land Records, it appears that this little plot of land next to Bowersox is not part of Orange Blossoms Hills and is therefore not subject to their deed restrictions that might otherwise preclude using this property for a cart path.

Comments and discussions are encouraged but please keep this thread limited to discussing this potential workaround and not the wall itself.

Love your thinking!

[BettyCrocked]

I've found the property you are talking about. Can you describe how you get from the berlin wall onto his property? Is it the vacant lot on W. Schwartz at the western end of Bowersox?

[LndLocked]

Ed,

Have you found out who owns the empty lot at the intersection of Bowersox & W. Schwartz?

I also assume that the TV property line is along that row of trees at the back of the houses on W. Schwartz ..... what would keep "The Developer" from denying access or closing it down the way it was done on Paradise Dr?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I've found the property you are talking about. Can you describe how you get from the berlin wall onto his property? Is it the vacant lot on W. Schwartz at the western end of Bowersox?

If you follow the paths on the other side of the lot on West Schwartz at the western end of Bowersox, you'll come to Lowe's. You don't actually have to go anywhere near the Berlin wall to get there, but if you want to get to the medical center, you'd just take the dirt road from Lowe's.

That vacant lot, by the way is 1753 West Schwartz Blvd. Isn't the lot owned by the Villages?

[LndLocked]

If you follow the paths on the other side of the lot on West Schwartz at the western end of Bowersox, you'll come to Lowe's. You don't actually have to go anywhere near the Berlin wall to get there, but if you want to get to the medical center, you'd just take the dirt road from Lowe's.

That vacant lot, by the way is 1753 West Schwartz Blvd. Isn't the lot owned by the Villages?

if it is ..... this possible workaround just got worked.

[jkpender]

Thanks EdV for the info.

[EdV]

That vacant lot, by the way is 1753 West Schwartz Blvd. Isn't the lot owned by the Villages?

No Winston, that's the lot just north of Mr. Browns lot.

When he (or his family) sold the Orange Blossom land to Schwartz, they were wise enough to provide for a private unencumbered entrance to the complex.

Please, stay with me on this, it's the most immediate option for the time being until it is proved unworkable.

[njbchbum]

No Winston, that's the lot just north of Mr. Browns lot.

When he (or his family) sold the Orange Blossom land to Schwartz, they were wise enough to provide for a private unencumbered entrance to the complex.

Please, stay with me on this, it's the most immediate option for the time being until it is proved unworkable.

that is so cool! go mr. brown! and thank you ed for your assistance. i do hope folks take your advice on securing appropriate cooperation.

[bkcunningham1]

I have come up with a potential plan to share with you if you�re willing to put the time into it. Here it is:

Go to google earth (or whatever mapping software you have) and type in this address �Bowersox Dr. Lady Lake, FL� To the left of Bowersox Dr. is an empty lot that is owned by Mr. Ron Brown, the original owner of much of the land around here. Then in the large vacant area to the left of that lot you will see a rather large residence. That�s his home. And to the left of that is Lowes.

Now before I say anything else, do not, repeat, DO NOT starting using this entrance because you�ll be trespassing across his residential property and he is the last person you want to pi$$ of at this point. Remember he was instrumental in getting approval for a paved path through the new HarborChase complex aand across his commercial property.

Instead work with Elaine Dreidame of the POA to get a meeting with HarborChase of Villages Crossing. The objective would be to see if Mr. Brown would be willing to allow temporary golf cart access through the lower part of his property until the wall issue is somehow resolved.

Remember the Mr. Brown sold the land to Harbor Chase and worked with them to get a paved path approved by the town. So if Gary Morse built the Concrete Curtain to put the screws them, this might be a great way to stick him back.

Also, from the information in the Lady Lake Land Records, it appears that this little plot of land next to Bowersox is not part of Orange Blossoms Hills and is therefore not subject to their deed restrictions that might otherwise preclude using this property for a cart path.

Comments and discussions are encouraged but please keep this thread limited to discussing this potential workaround and not the wall itself.

Ed, I've called Elaine and left two messages on her answering machine and can't get her to return a phone call.

[Bizdoc]

EdV
I salute you sir. Great solution.

[buggyone]

If Mr. Brown does allow a temporary golf path to be built on his property, doesn't he assume liability for accidents or injuries on it? I would think his attorneys would advise against such a project.

[njbchbum]

If Mr. Brown does allow a temporary golf path to be built on his property, doesn't he assume liability for accidents or injuries on it? I would think his attorneys would advise against such a project.

does he not have that liability now with the existing dirt trail?

[buggyone]

does he not have that liability now with the existing dirt trail?

I have no idea. The liability issues are always at the forefront of most decisions. That was just a thought.

[Russ_Boston]

I'm sure the whole 'great wall' issue has to do with liability somewhere. Someone must have gotten sued so Morse had no choice but to block the 'invite' onto someone else's property. It would be the same for any property owner over there. The core problem is always money somehow.

[nitakk]

Ed, you prove that David can go against Goliath and I think this is truly genius! For the liability posters, you need to know the original path in existence for 20 years was through Mr. Brown's land and he only sold it with the caveat that the path would remain. Harbor Chase lived up to their end of the bargain.

[EdV]

Ed, I've called Elaine and left two messages on her answering machine and can't get her to return a phone call.

BK, do not despair, I'm sure she's been deluged with calls on this. In one of the news videos I saw, she clearly understands the importance of this development and is working on it.

And as a non TV resident neighbor, I can only say that the POA is one top notch organization. You folks are so lucky to have them. So become a member and support them. If anyone will get this resolved, it's them.

Pass the information to them that I provided here and let their attorney see if it sticks to the wall.

My best to all my TV neighbors.

[bkcunningham1]

Thank you, Ed.

[mrdarcy]

I think Ed's advice to work through POA to approach Mr.Brown is exceedingly wise. If the Villagers most affected by the Concrete Curtain agree to work through the POA, then even I who lives south of 466A will diligently support the efforts to see whether Mr. Brown will grant access. The historic section of TV is just as much The Villages as the new sections. And, yes, we who live south of 466A do care what happens to our fellow Villagers in the historic section. When I hear that POA is involved I will gladly volunteer my time, effort, and money to help find a new legal and appropriate workaround to the Concrete Curtain.

[gomoho]

EdV - you're the man - hope this works for our friends in the historic district and any others wishing to use this path.

[bkcunningham1]

Anything is possible, but I doubt people would be allowed to drive that distance on Mr. Brown's tree farm. There is irrigation and, well; lots of trees, plants and shrubs there. Please, I hope you don't think I'm being a naysayer. Who knows? He may say yes. It wouldn't surprise me and I wouldn't blame him if he said no.

[ttown]

Also, we have no golf cart paths. Traffic is totally blocked often now where the opening was. I am not complaining, but it could become unsafe. The drive to the new potential opening is much longer.

[EdV]

Anything is possible, but I doubt people would be allowed to drive that distance on Mr. Brown's tree farm. There is irrigation and, well; lots of trees, plants and shrubs there. Please, I hope you don't think I'm being a naysayer. Who knows? He may say yes. It wouldn't surprise me and I wouldn't blame him if he said no.

And that’s why everyone needs to keep their ears pealed to anyone using that one point of access and trespassing across Mr. Brown’s residential property. The last thing folks especially in the historical section is to alienate him by plowing through his residential property on their golf carts without his permission. And for heaven's sake don't go in there knocking on his door for permission to cross.

Stay vigil and stay the course my friends.

[graciegirl]

And that�s why everyone needs to keep their ears pealed to anyone using that one point of access and trespassing across Mr. Brown�s residential property. The last thing folks especially in the historical section is to alienate him by plowing through his residential property on their golf carts without his permission. And for heaven's sake don't go in there knocking on his door for permission to cross.

Stay vigil and stay the course my friends.


Yup. The last thing we need is two ****ed off moguls. I think Gocubsgo said that early on.

[bkcunningham1]

And that’s why everyone needs to keep their ears pealed to anyone using that one point of access and trespassing across Mr. Brown’s residential property. The last thing folks especially in the historical section is to alienate him by plowing through his residential property on their golf carts without his permission. And for heaven's sake don't go in there knocking on his door for permission to cross.

Stay vigil and stay the course my friends.

I called and talked to him Monday. He is an extremely nice and a very likable man. Very easy to talk to and down to earth.

[LndLocked]

It would not surprise me to learn that he and Harold were close friends .... at any rate, he certainly seems to hold a warm spot in his heart for the residents of The Historic Side.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

No Winston, that's the lot just north of Mr. Browns lot.

When he (or his family) sold the Orange Blossom land to Schwartz, they were wise enough to provide for a private unencumbered entrance to the complex.

Please, stay with me on this, it's the most immediate option for the time being until it is proved unworkable.

So it sounds like we'd have to get Mr Brown's permission to use this route.

[Villageshooter]

I called and talked to him Monday. He is an extremely nice and a very likable man. Very easy to talk to and down to earth.

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to say the same about Morris of course we know that's not the truth of the wall would not of been put up. If we fail with this sets a dangerous precedent that we can be walked upon of course we all have known that all along this is our chance. All of a sudden the Kool-Aid doesn't taste near as good. This This might open some peoples eyes

[Russ_Boston]

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to say the same about Morris of course we know that's not the truth of the wall would not of been put up. If we fail with this sets a dangerous precedent that we can be walked upon of course we all have known that all along this is our chance. All of a sudden the Kool-Aid doesn't taste near as good. This This might open some peoples eyes

If you're going to comment please note that the developer's family name is MORSE.

[Villageshooter]

If you're going to comment please note that the developer's family name is MORSE.

I misspell it on purpose just the way George Bush used to call Saddam saying something wrong

[graciegirl]

http://www.chrismadden.co.uk/images/cartoons/turnstile-gate-250205-redrawn-cartoon-cjmadden2.gif

[justjim]

Gracie: Very funny!

[Skip]

The cart path off Paradise is owned by The Villages of Lake/Sumter as an undeveloped vacant residential lot. It goes into Sumter County to the west. Old man Schwartz wanted residents to have access to that medical facility area. And it's been like that for many years.

The "lot" at the west end of Bowersox Dr. is unpaved street continuance of Bowersox under the control of the town of Lady Lake and has no street address (it's NOT 1753 W. Schwartz). That "road" and Ron Brown's property (900 Bowersox Dr.) is wholly within Lake County. I wouldn't be surprised if The Villages has first right of refusal to buy that 24 acre parcel.

Skip

[graciegirl]

The cart path off Paradise is owned by The Villages of Lake/Sumter as an undeveloped vacant residential lot. It goes into Sumter County to the west. Old man Schwartz wanted residents to have access to that medical facility area. And it's been like that for many years.

The "lot" at the west end of Bowersox Dr. is unpaved street continuance of Bowersox under the control of the town of Lady Lake and has no street address (it's NOT 1753 W. Schwartz). That "road" and Ron Brown's property (900 Bowersox Dr.) is wholly within Lake County. I wouldn't be surprised if The Villages has first right of refusal to buy that 24 acre parcel.

Skip

YOU are the most informed, in the loop, person with inside information I know. And I have read and remembered a lot of posters and posts. If you would say " Jump", I would say "How high?

I would love to know who you really are. I always take you seriously.

[Villageshooter]

http://www.chrismadden.co.uk/images/cartoons/turnstile-gate-250205-redrawn-cartoon-cjmadden2.gif

This is absolutely the best depiction of the morris developer absolutely this tells everything about all of this just keeps drinking that Kool-Aid very good cartoon!

[mulligan]

Can't believe the number of people that don't even know the man's name.

[Bizdoc]

Don't know about the Wildwood 100 acres, but the report of the Fruitland Park meeting is at
Development could turn Fruitland Park into nation (http://www.**************.com/development-could-turn-fruitland-park-into-nations-fastest-growing-city-by-17/)

[EdV]

....The "lot" at the west end of Bowersox Dr. is unpaved street continuance of Bowersox under the control of the town of Lady Lake ...

I updated my original post to reflect your correction.

[JeffAVEWS]

If you're going to comment please note that the developer's family name is MORSE.
Are you sure? I thought his name was Henry F. Potter.

[EdV]

As the thread starter, I would like to request that the Admin close this thread because the issue is being addressed by the VHA a POA and is being discussed in two other threads.