LSV's: Have had it.

[Golf-Tinker]

Have noticed an increasing number of LSV's on the highways. I followed one the other day north on Buena Vista. He was doing 35+ in a GEM. Tonight, a woman sailed through the Morse bridge totally unaware of what she was doing to the traffic flow. I wonder what can be via the County to limit their travel on highways only on roads with limits of 25 MPH or less. Petition time?

[njbchbum]

maybe this will clear things up re their use:

316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle or mini truck on certain roadways.—The operation of a low-speed vehicle as defined in s. 320.01(42) or a mini truck as defined in s. 320.01(45) on any road is authorized with the following restrictions:
(1) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low-speed vehicle or mini truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour.
(2) A low-speed vehicle must be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers.
(3) A low-speed vehicle or mini truck must be registered and insured in accordance with s. 320.02 and titled pursuant to chapter 319.
(4) Any person operating a low-speed vehicle or mini truck must have in his or her possession a valid driver’s license.
(5) A county or municipality may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if the governing body of the county or municipality determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
(6) The Department of Transportation may prohibit the operation of low-speed vehicles or mini trucks on any road under its jurisdiction if it determines that such prohibition is necessary in the interest of safety.
History.—s. 1, ch. 99-163; s. 5, ch. 2009-183; s. 85, ch. 2012-174.

[buggyone]

Have noticed an increasing number of LSV's on the highways. I followed one the other day north on Buena Vista. He was doing 35+ in a GEM. Tonight, a woman sailed through the Morse bridge totally unaware of what she was doing to the traffic flow. I wonder what can be via the County to limit their travel on highways only on roads with limits of 25 MPH or less. Petition time?

Low Speed Vehicles (LSV) have a maximum speed limit of 25 mph. The GEM car was speeding!

I don't know what you meant by a "woman sailed through the Morse bridge totally unaware of what she was doing to the traffic flow". What does that mean?

LSV's are allowed on roadways having a speed limit of 35 or less.

No, I have not noticed an increase in the number of LSV's on the roads.

[TexaninVA]

I clocked someone going 32 in a cart east on Pinellas (by Sanibel get) ... it was not street legal (ie no FL license) but had a snarky plate on the back which said "if you can read this I just passed your a**"

Obnoxious, stupid and dangerous ... if this guy hits someone the injury lawyers will get rich at least

[ureout]

Golf-Tinker if you are so worried about traffic flow....why dont you complain about the SLOW traveling vehicles that insist on driving in the left lane....that is more of a problem than a few LSV's on the roads.....at least the LSV's travel in the right lane

[buggyone]

Golf-Tinker if you are so worried about traffic flow....why dont you complain about the SLOW traveling vehicles that insist on driving in the left lane....that is more of a problem than a few LSV's on the roads.....at least the LSV's travel in the right lane

When driving my car, I will do the legal speed limit on that road in The Villages and stay in the left lane. You pass me and you are speeding!

[ureout]

yes exactly the answer I would expect from someone with no courtesy to other drivers. I pay my taxes and I will drive where I want to....lol and if you ever had any driver training it would have been keep RIGHT and pass on the left.

[ilovetv]

yes exactly the answer I would expect from someone with no courtesy to other drivers. I pay my taxes and I will drive where I want to....lol and if you ever had any driver training it would have been keep RIGHT and pass on the left.

On the freeways and turnpikes, yes. But not on 4-lane boulevards like 466 where the volume of cars/trucks would not all fit in the right lane, and they have to be ready for left turns within just a few blocks!

[ureout]

oh thats right when i went thru driver training and in the DMV manuals I must have missed the section where it says disregard any rules when driving on 4 lane roads....and please how long do you need to change lanes to make a left turn 50 to 100 yds. not miles... and when driving in The Villages the main roads are Morse and Buena Vista and the majority of turns are on the round abouts....in the o/p's comments he was concerned about tarffic flow.

[Mikeod]

On the freeways and turnpikes, yes. But not on 4-lane boulevards like 466 where the volume of cars/trucks would not all fit in the right lane, and they have to be ready for left turns within just a few blocks!

Sure. Just like the driver I just followed on 466 all the way from Rolling Acres to Morse. Speed between 40 and 45 all the way and in formation with a car in the right lane. Had traffic backed up in both lanes. Finally turned left at Morse. 466 is not a "boulevard", it is a state highway. Keep right except to pass. Merging into the left lane to make a turn would be a lot easier if people did that.

From the Florida Drivers Manual:

Traffic Lanes

Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the right lanes except when overtaking and passing.

[buggyone]

Sure. Just like the driver I just followed on 466 all the way from Rolling Acres to Morse. Speed between 40 and 45 all the way and in formation with a car in the right lane. Had traffic backed up in both lanes. Finally turned left at Morse. 466 is not a "boulevard", it is a state highway. Keep right except to pass. Merging into the left lane to make a turn would be a lot easier if people did that.

From the Florida Drivers Manual:

Traffic Lanes

Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the right lanes except when overtaking and passing.

466 from Rolling Acres to Morse is 45mph speed limit. What problem do you see with a person doing the speed limit in the left lane. Do you not agree that passing him would constitute speeding which is an unlawful act? That is a yes or no question on the unlawful act part of the question.

[BettyCrocked]

466 from Rolling Acres to Morse is 45mph speed limit. What problem do you see with a person doing the speed limit in the left lane. Do you not agree that passing him would constitute speeding which is an unlawful act? That is a yes or no question on the unlawful act part of the question.

Sounds like both parties just need to worry about themselves. If party A is unlawfully remaining in the passing lane, then who is he to judge party B for speeding?

[Mikeod]

466 from Rolling Acres to Morse is 45mph speed limit. What problem do you see with a person doing the speed limit in the left lane. Do you not agree that passing him would constitute speeding which is an unlawful act? That is a yes or no question on the unlawful act part of the question.

Unless you are wearing a badge, it is not your right to enforce speed limits. As a matter of fact, you can be cited for going too slow. If you are impeding another driver no matter your speed, you are wrong. The manual is very clear, you should only be in the left lane for overtaking/passing, or turning.

[keithwand]

Well said. Is it really that difficult a concept to stay to the right unless passing?

[ureout]

EXACTLY .......that is what i have been saying.....driving slow or even just at the speed limit and refusing to move over causes ROAD RAGE :rant-rave: and that is why they passed a law and now ticket for it

[Chazz]

Seems we're getting pretty far off point of the OP, Golf-Tinker. Isn't this supposed to be about LSVs?

[Shimpy]

When driving my car, I will do the legal speed limit on that road in The Villages and stay in the left lane. You pass me and you are speeding!

WHY do you only drive in the passing lane? Is it because you are afraid to drive in the right lane or have you made yourself an enforcer of the speed limit?

[looneycat]

When driving my car, I will do the legal speed limit on that road in The Villages and stay in the left lane. You pass me and you are speeding!

that sounds more like a little kid crossing his arms and stamping his feet rather than the more practical (adult),:ho: move over and let the #$%$%#@ pass.
:ho:

[looneycat]

The manual is very clear, you should only be in the left lane for overtaking/passing, or turning.

there is the one small proviso here...the roundabouts do require you to be in a specific lane depending on how far around you are going...the manual mentions that in another section...

[justjim]

Back to the original thread-----about LSV'S. I had a neighbor who bought one about 2 or 3 years ago. He never got out on the TV roads i.e. Morse or Bunea Vista because "too dangerous" he said. I agreed with him. Since you can only legally go 25 mph and cars can go 35 mph it's makes for a safety hazard----common sense should tell the authorities that! Sometimes you wonder what are "they" thinking. You can come upon a LSV suddenly----especially in the roundabouts. By the way, the neighbor sold his!

[looneycat]

Back to the original thread-----about LSV'S. I had a neighbor who bought one about 2 or 3 years ago. He never got out on the TV roads i.e. Morse or Bunea Vista because "too dangerous" he said. I agreed with him. Since you can only legally go 25 mph and cars can go 35 mph it's makes for a safety hazard----common sense should tell the authorities that! Sometimes you wonder what are "they" thinking. You can come upon a LSV suddenly----especially in the roundabouts. By the way, the neighbor sold his!

amen:bigbow:

[mrfixit]

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[Chazz]

Back to the original thread-----about LSV'S. I had a neighbor who bought one about 2 or 3 years ago. He never got out on the TV roads i.e. Morse or Bunea Vista because "too dangerous" he said. I agreed with him. Since you can only legally go 25 mph and cars can go 35 mph it's makes for a safety hazard----common sense should tell the authorities that! Sometimes you wonder what are "they" thinking. You can come upon a LSV suddenly----especially in the roundabouts. By the way, the neighbor sold his!

I agree with you. I owned a Gem LSV, but no longer do. I always thought that LSVs should be capable of, and allowed, to do the full speed limit of any road that they were allowed to drive on. Just seems to make sense to me. If the LSV requirements are not sufficient for safety at 35mph, then they should either be upgraded, or they should only be allowed to ride on roads up to 25mph.

[Mikeod]

I agree with you. I owned a Gem LSV, but no longer do. I always thought that LSVs should be capable of, and allowed, to do the full speed limit of any road that they were allowed to drive on. Just seems to make sense to me. If the LSV requirements are not sufficient for safety at 35mph, then they should either be upgraded, or they should only be allowed to ride on roads up to 25mph.

I don't disagree with you, but, since other vehicles such as bicycles are allowed on the roads and cannot maintain 35mph either, it falls on the rest of us to be aware and drive safely around them when we can.

[Gerald]

hey people calm down. slow down and see the flowers, trees, it is lovely out there. this is the villages. relax you will live longer. stop worrying about fast golf carts. The police will take care of them.

[cquick]

Golf-Tinker if you are so worried about traffic flow....why dont you complain about the SLOW traveling vehicles that insist on driving in the left lane....that is more of a problem than a few LSV's on the roads.....at least the LSV's travel in the right lane

Our roads are not 2 lane highways, they are "town" roads, so a car can go any speed so long as they are not over the posted limit. So if I am going to turn left, I need to be in the left lane, and if I want to go 25mph, it's ok, because I am not going over the 35mph limit. Just because someone wants to drive 45, it doesn't affect the actualy limit posted.

[Mikeod]

Our roads are not 2 lane highways, they are "town" roads, so a car can go any speed so long as they are not over the posted limit. So if I am going to turn left, I need to be in the left lane, and if I want to go 25mph, it's ok, because I am not going over the 35mph limit. Just because someone wants to drive 45, it doesn't affect the actualy limit posted.

I don't think anyone minds someone in the left lane approaching a turn, or getting into the proper lane for a roundabout. I think the concern is with someone who drives along in the left lane forcing traffic to back up behind them or pass them on the right. The traffic regulations are clear and do not differentiate between numbered highways or "town roads" as you call them. If there is more than one lane in each direction, you are supposed to be in the right lane except to pass or turn. And you are not allowed to impede the flow of traffic and can be cited for that even if not exceeding the speed limit. Hope this clears things up.

[msfooter]

I don't think anyone minds someone in the left lane approaching a turn, or getting into the proper lane for a roundabout. I think the concern is with someone who drives along in the left lane forcing traffic to back up behind them or pass them on the right. The traffic regulations are clear and do not differentiate between numbered highways or "town roads" as you call them. If there is more than one lane in each direction, you are supposed to be in the right lane except to pass or turn. And you are not allowed to impede the flow of traffic and can be cited for that even if not exceeding the speed limit. Hope this clears things up.


Well said, Mike and I totally agree. Someone hogging the left land is just ignorant of the law or being inconsiderate - and either is inexcusable. Jimmie

[PaPaLarry]

And now back to LSV's!!!! :bigbow:

[rubicon]

I have not noticed any appreciable increase in the number of LSV's. One could argue that there are less since O'Toole's bill was passed.

LSV's driving the speed limit and/or in the right hand lane is not a problem, I find bicyclists a larger problem and also those folks that appear to intentionally block the left lane. I say intentionally because it would seem after two or three cars have passed such a driver on the right they ought to catch on. If people want to speed let them. I am always willing to let speeders by me . Why? Because I call them "bear bait.:pepper2:

[perrjojo]

It's funny to me that a new neighbor from Memphis Tennessee told me yesterday, "I have never seen people who want to drive as fast as they do here in TV. Why is everyone here in such a hurry?" I have no answer. Do yo?

[Indydealmaker]

It's funny to me that a new neighbor from Memphis Tennessee told me yesterday, "I have never seen people who want to drive as fast as they do here in TV. Why is everyone here in such a hurry?" I have no answer. Do yo?

Reliving their reckless and invincible youth?