Changing times in The Villages

[Bucco]

I have lived here about 13 years. Temp lived in Tampa for 3, but even then traveled here many times. I only tell that as a way of introduction....many here longer and shorter.

I have been struck by changes....

We have a thread concerning younger folks moving here (think I saw in 40's in one case). Not speaking of temp residents but homeowners.

We have a thread concerning whether another "retirement" community should have access to The Villages by golf cart.

I have noticed more of a resort attitude than a retirement attitude everywhere in the last few years. This is MY observation that people come here more and more to vacation.

There are rentals everywhere, and those who purchase homes have probably a fifty fifty chance of NEVER living here, just renting their property.

I am not passing any personal judgement,but in conversations many do.

What do folks think who have been here a few years think about all this. I NEVER could have predicted any of the few changes I mentioned years ago.

[BarryRX]

I live in Pennecamp and I am a year round resident. We have a CYV and I would venture to guess that about half the homes in our little courtyard neighborhood are rentals or are empty during the summer months.

[janmcn]

The whole concept of The Villages has changed since Harold Schwartz and Gary Morse started building around Spanish Springs in the late 1990's. Schwartz and Morse planned a community where everything any retiree needed or wanted was easily accesible.

This included shopping, churches, recreation centers, restaurants, golf courses, country clubs, the hospital and other medical facilities, bowling alleys, softball fields, RV parking, and on and on and on. Schwartz and Morse were a class act that ran a first class operation, just look at the country clubs they built compared to what's being built today.

The new plan, implemented by the next generation, seems to be to build more and more houses, recreation centers, golf courses, and the new medical offices and not much else. It looks like they are converting all their commercial property into residential and are not much interested in any more commercial ventures.

JMHO based on watching The Villages expand since I moved here on Nov 4, 2000, likewise almost 13 years ago.

[OCsun]

Bucco, I have lived here less then two years. IMHO your observation is correct. The Good news for residence is this place has so much to do it feels like a resort and is often referred to as a Disney World for Retires. The Bad news for residence is this place is like a resort therefore, it is appealing to short term vacationers.

The Villages is big enough for those who like resorts and intimate enough to feel like a small town. I think it all depends on where you lived before buying in TV.

Life is good and so is . . . The Villages! :spoken:

[EastCoastDawg]

I have friends who bought here twelve years ago and visited for just two weeks each year, renting it out in the busy season to defray running costs. They have now stopped renting it out and moved here. Maybe a lot of the "younger" buyers have the same plan?

I live in a neighborhood that was built around 2000 and most residents have been here since then. However, there have been a number of deaths/relocations in the past few years resulting in those in their 70's and 80's being replaced by people in their 50's and 60's. It has given the neighborhood new life and vigor.

The biggest change I envisage is the separation of The Villages from one amorphous area into several - especially now that development south of 466A is proceeding in leaps and bounds. Living north of 466, I doubt that I shall visit Brownwood more than once or twice a year; likewise, many living south of 466A may rarely visit Spanish Springs.

One sign of this change is the withdrawal of the airport shuttle from Spanish Springs. I expect it will start calling at Brownwood in the not-too-distant future.

[Madelaine Amee]

[QUOTE=Bucco;729260]I have lived here about 13 years. Temp lived in Tampa for 3, but even then traveled here many times. I only tell that as a way of introduction....many here longer and shorter.

I have been struck by changes....

I have to agree with much of your post, but thankfully my little area has not been impacted (so far) by these changes. We are a very settled area, maybe three homes with seasonal residents, but they are only gone for three months at the most. We are not a party neighborhood, but we all know each other and give help and aid when it is needed.

But, like everything else, things will have to change with age and then I imagine we will get younger residents moving in, although I think the boomer crowd are moving south of 466A.

[DianeM]

I'm a new resident - only 3 months - and to be honest - the jury is still out on whether I'll be staying. I cannot rave about life in The Villages. It's just okay - no better or worse. Perhaps for golfers, it's nirvana. I don't know about that. I admit that I drank the koolaid and bought into the whole "Village" concept and was lured by the promises of stuff to do. And..there is tons to do. But I'm giving it a year. Next June, there may be another house for sale.

[festusrules]

I think the % of partial year residents is highest in the Villas.

[Bucco]

I started this thing, so going to jump in and say that I welcome much of the growth, and hoping I do not offend anyone, but I notice a different attitude than was here when I moved in.

A small example and it is small, is a neighborhood that a friend of mine lives in...a courtyard villa.....the folks across the street are here maybe 5/6 months and when they are here, they and their visitors use their driveway as if they owned it for a turn around. Hurt anything...not so much..a few marks on the driveway but what kind of attitude has no respect for others private property...maybe one who does not see this as a HOME but a resort ? Not looking to share advice for my buddy..he can take care of himself..speaking to the attitude !

When we first moved in The Villages, the individual respect was there...everyone was retired and starting anew...this WAS their new home. That is not as apparent anymore to me anyway !

[skip0358]

Been here 4 years. Love it and I'm going nowhere, except maybe another home. There have been changes many bringing more additional stores, doctors and medical facilities which I think is a plus. As for younger persons no problem it's legal providing they don't have children under 19. We're out and about for or so nights a week, have met plenty of very happy people. If your house goes on the market that will make room for another happy person. JMO

[Golfingnut]

This thread reminds me of my parents generation saying that the world is going to he'll Ina handbag because of the younger folks like us that are ruining it. Now we are old and saying the same thing about young people.

How many generations has this been repeated.

[Bucco]

This thread reminds me of my parents generation saying that the world is going to he'll Ina handbag because of the younger folks like us that are ruining it. Now we are old and saying the same thing about young people.

How many generations has this been repeated.

Since I began this thread and said nor inferred any such thing, please explain how you came to that conclusion on my behalf ??

[graciegirl]

Since I began this thread and said nor inferred any such thing, please explain how you came to that conclusion on my behalf ??

That is true Golf.

Bucco didn't blame young people. It was me;)

Well not really, but I didn't realize until just a week or so ago that I had become an old biddie.

I thought I was a hottie.

[Arctic Fox]

I live in a neighborhood that was built around 2000 and most residents have been here since then. However, there have been a number of deaths/relocations in the past few years resulting in those in their 70's and 80's being replaced by people in their 50's and 60's. It has given the neighborhood new life and vigor.

We had new neighbors move in two years ago. Our original neighbors had been so kind and helpful when we moved here that we were sad to see them leave. However, the new couple are just as nice and have been instrumental in organizing many neighborhood activities, including our all going off campus for a monthly dinner.

As Forrest Gump might say, "Changes are like a box of chocolates..."

[redwitch]

Um, Gracie, you are not an old biddie. An old biddie is mean-spirited, jealous of those younger, healthier, richer, etc. An old biddie does her absolute best to make those around her feel inferior. BTW -- I've known old biddies who are in their 20s. It just happens that this go round I mentioned old biddies in their 60s and 70s. It ain't an age thing, it's a behavior thang.

Bucco, I've been here 7 years and have seen changes. There's more vitality with Baby Boomers buying here. At the same time, there's less patience. There are more houses that are being rented or standing empty for most of the year -- these folks purchased today to live here tomorrow. Works for them. When they're here, they're thrilled to be here and live every day here to the absolute fullest. (Frequently reminds me of a teen-age boy after his first sexual experience -- has no clue when to stop and give it a rest.) As Baby Boomers age and truly retire, I think things will go back to more of the way it was when I first moved here, except TV will be divided into North of 466, the North of 466A and the South side and that I truly hate to see. Villagers need to come together and be Villagers, not just members of a village or part of an area. That division is one thing I have found to be truly sad.

[Barefoot]

I'm a new resident - only 3 months - and to be honest - the jury is still out on whether I'll be staying. I cannot rave about life in The Villages. It's just okay - no better or worse. Perhaps for golfers, it's nirvana. I don't know about that. I admit that I drank the koolaid and bought into the whole "Village" concept and was lured by the promises of stuff to do. And..there is tons to do. But I'm giving it a year. Next June, there may be another house for sale.

Diane, thanks for sharing your opinion. Most of us love TV. For us personally, it's the best decision we've ever made. But TV isn't for everyone. I've certainly known people who tried life in TV, and it wasn't a good fit for them. Whether they wanted more privacy or to be closer to the ocean or to live in a smaller community or just missed their old neighborhood, whatever. It doesn't make you depressed or a bad person, and I don't think you'll scare anyone with your comments.

As far as the expansion of The Villages changing it's "character", even in our brief six years, there has been huge growth. But the clever design of each individual Village within a huge city, still makes us somehow believe we live in a small and friendly community.

[Bucco]

Um, Gracie, you are not an old biddie. An old biddie is mean-spirited, jealous of those younger, healthier, richer, etc. An old biddie does her absolute best to make those around her feel inferior. BTW -- I've known old biddies who are in their 20s. It just happens that this go round I mentioned old biddies in their 60s and 70s. It ain't an age thing, it's a behavior thang.

Bucco, I've been here 7 years and have seen changes. There's more vitality with Baby Boomers buying here. At the same time, there's less patience. There are more houses that are being rented or standing empty for most of the year -- these folks purchased today to live here tomorrow. Works for them. When they're here, they're thrilled to be here and live every day here to the absolute fullest. (Frequently reminds me of a teen-age boy after his first sexual experience -- has no clue when to stop and give it a rest.) As Baby Boomers age and truly retire, I think things will go back to more of the way it was when I first moved here, except TV will be divided into North of 466, the North of 466A and the South side and that I truly hate to see. Villagers need to come together and be Villagers, not just members of a village or part of an area. That division is one thing I have found to be truly sad.

Good post and very very informative.

I was not aware that I should " stop and give it a rest." This will be a long long winter :)

[jannd228]

Spicy - The thought that comes to mind is "just who do you think you are " to make those comments. I did do due diligence before coming here. I am not making any threats or complaining about anything specific. My thoughts should not be of concern to you. I am not here to listen to your rant. I am not unhappy but wonder if this is right for me. I thank you to keep your personal attacks of me to yourself.

I have been a "lurker" here for a few years after I came to visit a dance teacher friend. I also taught AP English online. I think DianeM's comments are allowable. As one who had to read students comments from all over the world, I learned that discussion boards are powerful learning tools but they should not be used to abuse others personally, everyone should stay on topic.

Not this thread but other threads I have read here are similar. If we are in a retirement community we should all be adults and we should respect each other as adults.

If one is displeased, then one should be allowed to say so. There are no perfect worlds or communities, anywhere.

I am coming in October for 6 months, before I make a choice that The Villages is right for me or should I stay on Cape Cod. I am sure DianeM thought through what she was doing before she moved. With that said, reality often does not meet one's expectations, and that is all DianeM is saying.

JannD

[SpicyCajunPugs]

I for one would like to know from someone with great insight why so many people can unfairly disparage the villages, name-call, moan, groan and constantly complain about so many things about our wonderful community, the Morses, the alligators, the weather...but when I try to defend our community and way of life here and give my own perspective, I am attacked and humiliated? Why do people want to just complain about this place when they live or visit here? To me, it makes no sense because it will just tend to bring down our quality of life if left to continue. If you dish it out you should be able to take it back in the form of a response.

[Golfingnut]

I have been a "lurker" here for a few years after I came to visit a dance teacher friend. I also taught AP English online. I think DianeM's comments are allowable. As one who had to read students comments from all over the world, I learned that discussion boards are powerful learning tools but they should not be used to abuse others personally, everyone should stay on topic.

Not this thread but other threads I have read here are similar. If we are in a retirement community we should all be adults and we should respect each other as adults.

If one is displeased, then one should be allowed to say so. There are no perfect worlds or communities, anywhere.

I am coming in October for 6 months, before I make a choice that The Villages is right for me or should I stay on Cape Cod. I am sure DianeM thought through what she was doing before she moved. With that said, reality often does not meet one's expectations, and that is all DianeM is saying.

JannD

That's what I taking about. Very well stated.

[cquick]

We have lived in TV since August 2011. Before that in a nice neighborhood in Orlando. We love it here. We don't even golf, but there is such a great attitude for fun and fellowship and doing charity work and indoor and outdoor activities, not to mention entertainment at 3 different squares every night!

Works for us.....:pepper2::pepper2:

[Russ_Boston]

Don't see why someone saying that TV is not for them is a negative indictment. If it were for EVERYONE then prices would be even higher for new homes etc. TV is no different than anywhere you move. Sometimes you plant something in a new location and it thrives - sometimes you need to move it to a new location.

For us, 3 years almost and we have no thoughts of moving anywhere.

[Golfingnut]

We have lived in TV since August 2011. Before that in a nice neighborhood in Orlando. We love it here. We don't even golf, but there is such a great attitude for fun and fellowship and doing charity work and indoor and outdoor activities, not to mention entertainment at 3 different squares every night!

Works for us.....:pepper2::pepper2:

We have done 3. Years and love it more every day. The larger it gets, the more wonderful opertunities come with the expansion.

[DianeM]

Don't see why someone saying that TV is not for them is a negative indictment. If it were for EVERYONE then prices would be even higher for new homes etc. TV is no different than anywhere you move. Sometimes you plant something in a new location and it thrives - sometimes you need to move it to a new location.

For us, 3 years almost and we have no thoughts of moving anywhere.

Thank you

[Golfingnut]

Don't see why someone saying that TV is not for them is a negative indictment. If it were for EVERYONE then prices would be even higher for new homes etc. TV is no different than anywhere you move. Sometimes you plant something in a new location and it thrives - sometimes you need to move it to a new location.

For us, 3 years almost and we have no thoughts of moving anywhere.

Russ, don't you get tird of being right all the time? Only kidding. We have had one couple down for a look. He loved it and she hated it. So there ya go. Me and my wife love it here and that is very important to us.

[jannd228]

That's what I taking about. Very well stated.

Today I was contemplating whether to stay in MA and open a dance studio again or move, then I read the threads here. I think I'll come in October and open something to teach technology to Boomers. I am not tooting my own horn, but after working for Gates and training school teachers, I may have a new business in The Villages. Boomer Tech Visions

Bio is here
Dance Studio By Design (http://www.dancestudiobydesign.com/#!jann-davis/c1l8k)

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[billethkid]

We have been here for 10 years and lived the lifestyle we chose while TV more than doubled in size. We were here befor TV had "critical mass" enough to attract national chains of any kind. Once that happened I believe it was sort of perpetual motion of growth begets more goods, shopping and services.

The beauty of TV is it's decentralized design of villages/rec centers/regioanl rec centers etc so there is no crush to use the facilities that in fact constitute the life style.

As TV heads toward being 3 times what it was when we built our home, we have no complaints and look forward to the evolution that adds to the quality of what we had 10 years ago through today.

Yes there is traffic, but is that not true of every where?

I think we are fortunate to enjoy the best of what larger populated areas enjoy without having to deal with the negatives that also seem to accompany large population centers.

Yes, TV has changed. Some things have gone by the wayside (buffalo/cowboy statues, new years at the squares, etc) but the final conclusion is TV is a great place to live and enjoy the latter years of one's life that is just not attainable in very many "retirement" venues.

btk

[Golfingnut]

Today I was contemplating whether to stay in MA and open a dance studio again or move, then I read the threads here. I think I'll come in October and open something to teach technology to Boomers. I am not tooting my own horn, but after working for Gates and training school teachers, I may have a new business in The Villages. Boomer Tech Visions

Bio is here
Dance Studio By Design (http://www.dancestudiobydesign.com/#!jann-davis/c1l8k)

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Come on down and be sure to advertise on TOTV. This is a very nice location for tech support.

[Duvalboomer]

I think change and an evolving plan are a good thing. Just think what the world would have been like if it hadn't changed in the last 15 years. The Villages has changed to keep up with changing expectations, lets not forget the developer is running a business and if what they are doing was not what people wanted they will vote with their pocket book and buy elsewhere this also includes not buying pre-owned homes not being in demand

[Moderator]

Please address the topic and not each other. Take personal disputes offline.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion about places and things. Others may disagree with your opinion but should not make their disagreement personal.

Numerous posts were deleted...let's get back on track.

Moderator

[jannd228]

Please address the topic and not each other. Take personal disputes offline.

Everyone is entitled to express their opinion about places and things. Others may disagree with your opinion but should not make their disagreement personal.

Numerous posts were deleted...let's get back on track.

Moderator

agree

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[SpicyCajunPugs]

I and most everyone here love the Villages, and we have lived many places in our lives. Anyone contemplating moving here should research it long and hard and spend quality time here. It is much easier and less expensive to do that then try to sell a home and move quickly again. The Villages and even Florida is not for everyone, but it is a wonderful place for most retirees. I for one thank the Morse family for creating such a wonderful place to live out our lives.

[DianeM]

agree

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Agreed.

[Golfingnut]

I and most everyone here love the Villages, and we have lived many places in our lives. Anyone contemplating moving here should research it long and hard and spend quality time here. It is much easier and less expensive to do that then try to sell a home and move quickly again. The Villages and even Florida is not for everyone, but it is a wonderful place for most retirees. I for one thank the Morse family for creating such a wonderful place to live out our lives.

I have said many times, that I could come up with many many places I would rather live, than central Florida, BUT......

I would never move from The Villages because of the lifestyle. We love it here

[DianeM]

Today I was contemplating whether to stay in MA and open a dance studio again or move, then I read the threads here. I think I'll come in October and open something to teach technology to Boomers. I am not tooting my own horn, but after working for Gates and training school teachers, I may have a new business in The Villages. Boomer Tech Visions

Bio is here
Dance Studio By Design (http://www.dancestudiobydesign.com/#!jann-davis/c1l8k)y



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Funny but MA has been on my mind a lot lately.

[downeaster]

We have been here for 10 years and lived the lifestyle we chose while TV more than doubled in size. We were here befor TV had "critical mass" enough to attract national chains of any kind. Once that happened I believe it was sort of perpetual motion of growth begets more goods, shopping and services.

The beauty of TV is it's decentralized design of villages/rec centers/regioanl rec centers etc so there is no crush to use the facilities that in fact constitute the life style.

As TV heads toward being 3 times what it was when we built our home, we have no complaints and look forward to the evolution that adds to the quality of what we had 10 years ago through today.

Yes there is traffic, but is that not true of every where?

I think we are fortunate to enjoy the best of what larger populated areas enjoy without having to deal with the negatives that also seem to accompany large population centers.

Yes, TV has changed. Some things have gone by the wayside (buffalo/cowboy statues, new years at the squares, etc) but the final conclusion is TV is a great place to live and enjoy the latter years of one's life that is just not attainable in very many "retirement" venues.

btk

Well said, billethkid. The portion I highlighted is exactly what we tell friends when they ask if The Villages is crowded.

[jannd228]

Come on down and be sure to advertise on TOTV. This is a very nice location for tech support.

I will I just have to figure out what it would be and of course find the advertising rates. Want to advertise a children's dance team event instead?

:girlneener:

[Uptown Girl]

I have lived here about 13 years. Temp lived in Tampa for 3, but even then traveled here many times. I only tell that as a way of introduction....many here longer and shorter.

I have been struck by changes....

We have a thread concerning younger folks moving here (think I saw in 40's in one case). Not speaking of temp residents but homeowners.

We have a thread concerning whether another "retirement" community should have access to The Villages by golf cart.

I have noticed more of a resort attitude than a retirement attitude everywhere in the last few years. This is MY observation that people come here more and more to vacation.

There are rentals everywhere, and those who purchase homes have probably a fifty fifty chance of NEVER living here, just renting their property.

I am not passing any personal judgement,but in conversations many do.

What do folks think who have been here a few years think about all this. I NEVER could have predicted any of the few changes I mentioned years ago.

Things change. Opinions change.
Opportunities arise, or circumstances happen... and plans/ options change.

Numerous friends I know here intended to live here full time- they can't do that yet, things have happened.

I planned on moving to New Mexico solo- then I married again.
WE decided to retire to The Smokey Mountains- then we found The Villages.

We thought we'd only be free to be snowflakes for a few years- the opportunity arose to make it permanent quickly.

Hubby thought he'd retire- the company wants him to stay, so he commutes and DOES feel like he's in a resort when he's home.
I retired, when I never thought I'd have that luxury- and every day feels like I'm on vacation now. Incredible.
Just examples.

When we purchased 2 1/2 years ago, we did understand that a % of homes were available to those under 50 years of age. Perhaps that is something that wasn't in place originally, but that is today's (non-discriminatory) political correctness.
"Retirement" means different things to different people. I am a senior citizen (so they tell me) but I don't feel any different on the inside than I did at 40.
My body may be aging, but my core spirit is not- and as long as I have my wits about me, I believe it will stay that way. To me, that is natural.

I think it would not be surprising to find that there are many who feel the same way.
As to 'golf cart access from other retirement communities'.... it wouldn't bother me one way or another. I don't think it would harm the quality of my days.

[Barefoot]

The beauty of TV is it's decentralized design of villages/rec centers/regioanl rec centers etc so there is no crush to use the facilities that in fact constitute the life style.

And that's the brilliance of the Developer's unique vision! To develop a huge city with a zillion amenities, restaurants, and shopping opportunities, yet still make residents feel secure and able to identify with their own individual neighborhoods.

[redwitch]

Diane, one thing I found that it is harder to find your niche here as a single. It takes longer and more effort than it does for a couple unless you're seriously outgoing and like to party a lot. I think for the first year I was here, I did almost everything myself. After some time, I found friends and activities that truly suited me. Give it your year. You may find that magic fit and, if you don't, you happen to have purchased in a community where it is pretty easy to sell and move. Either way, I wish you the best.

[ilovetv]

I have friends who bought here twelve years ago and visited for just two weeks each year, renting it out in the busy season to defray running costs. They have now stopped renting it out and moved here. Maybe a lot of the "younger" buyers have the same plan?

I live in a neighborhood that was built around 2000 and most residents have been here since then. However, there have been a number of deaths/relocations in the past few years resulting in those in their 70's and 80's being replaced by people in their 50's and 60's. It has given the neighborhood new life and vigor.

The biggest change I envisage is the separation of The Villages from one amorphous area into several - especially now that development south of 466A is proceeding in leaps and bounds. Living north of 466, I doubt that I shall visit Brownwood more than once or twice a year; likewise, many living south of 466A may rarely visit Spanish Springs.

One sign of this change is the withdrawal of the airport shuttle from Spanish Springs. I expect it will start calling at Brownwood in the not-too-distant future.

I think the airport shuttle leaving only from Lake Sumter Landing is because of how many people need the door-to-door service and find that attractive, and the price for that short taxi ride from home to station is cheap. Also, they have more departures now, instead of adding a half hour to each one by picking up at two stations.

[DianeM]

Diane, one thing I found that it is harder to find your niche here as a single. It takes longer and more effort than it does for a couple unless you're seriously outgoing and like to party a lot. I think for the first year I was here, I did almost everything myself. After some time, I found friends and activities that truly suited me. Give it your year. You may find that magic fit and, if you don't, you happen to have purchased in a community where it is pretty easy to sell and move. Either way, I wish you the best.

Thank you. I'm working at making my life. I have found a few things that I go to on a regular basis. I'm not a serious party animal but am usually outgoing. Push me and I will push back but seldom start something. Who knows what's in the cards - move or stay - but for now at least this is where my stuff and my pups are.

[Bucco]

Great posts. Good reading. Thanks to all

[Russ_Boston]

we did understand that a % of homes were available to those under 50 years of age. Perhaps that is something that wasn't in place originally, but that is today's (non-discriminatory) political correctness.

Nothing to do with PC. It's a FLA housing law as far as I know.

[ttown]

We bought in 1988 and we were in our late fourties.

[babyjayne]

My only issue with TV is the way people drive. The speed limit is 20mph in my neighborhood and if anyone goes that speed I would be surprised. People have no respect for others when they get behind the wheel of a car.

[DianeM]

Gotta say that 20 seems awfully slow. Is that only for golf carts in their special path or cars as well.

[graciegirl]

I think the airport shuttle leaving only from Lake Sumter Landing is because of how many people need the door-to-door service and find that attractive, and the price for that short taxi ride from home to station is cheap. Also, they have more departures now, instead of adding a half hour to each one by picking up at two stations.

Just heard that the airport shuttles are no longer owned by The Villages but have been sold to someone.

Shame they are cutting back services.

[DougB]

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

[Uptown Girl]

Nothing to do with PC. It's a FLA housing law as far as I know.

Not only a housing law in Florida, but elsewhere too, Russ. We as a country are trying to be correct. Making it law is the political vehicle used to facilitate that.

I did not use the PC term flippantly, I used it sincerely.

[manaboutown]

It would be wonderful if one of more of the long time Villages residents would write a history of The Villages. It would be fascinating. It has grown from a trailer park in a watermelon patch into the world's largest 55+ community!

[Megardn]

I'm a new resident - only 3 months - and to be honest - the jury is still out on whether I'll be staying. I cannot rave about life in The Villages. It's just okay - no better or worse. Perhaps for golfers, it's nirvana. I don't know about that. I admit that I drank the koolaid and bought into the whole "Village" concept and was lured by the promises of stuff to do. And..there is tons to do. But I'm giving it a year. Next June, there may be another house for sale.

I feel as you do Diane, except I am your neighbor in Stonecrest (or an outsider, depending on who you talk to). I moved to this area almost a year ago and I thought it would be different then it is. Friendlier, I guess but I don't golf, dance or play cards which seems like everyone does.
Have you tried the different clubs there?

[DianeM]

I feel as you do Diane, except I am your neighbor in Stonecrest (or an outsider, depending on who you talk to). I moved to this area almost a year ago and I thought it would be different then it is. Friendlier, I guess but I don't golf, dance or play cards which seems like everyone does.
Have you tried the different clubs there?

Thank you. I do not golf but I would play cards. I do go to a few groups on a regular basis and I am sponsoring a Long Island night this week. I'm trying to make my life again. Time will tell. What have you tried?

[jannd228]

I do not wish to change the focus of this thread, but I read so much about the developers etc. I took Disney’s business management courses called, The Disney Institute. What I see in The Villages is the model that is presented to one when you attend those courses. I researched and it appears Mr. Morse may have attended those classes when I did in the late 80’s.

Think about it for a minute, isn’t The villages exactly what Disney did? First they owned all of the property and the vendors, and now it is all affiliates and brands?

I think if you read the Wikipedia article you will find many similarities to The Villages.

JannD

Walt Disney World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World)

[CSilvestrucci]

My husband and I built a home here 4 years ago. He was over 55 and I was not. Our original intention was to be snowbirds at first then eventually move here fulltime. Unfortunately he passed away unexpectedly before realizing our dream. To make a long sad story short I moved here on my own not knowing what to expect especially since I was in my 40's. What I found was a wonderful, warm community that made me feel at home and welcome from day 1. Yes, I occasionally get the "you can"t live here you aren't old enough" comment. I just smile and say thank you but I grew up in the friendly south in a small town so I know friendly and this place is a wonderful, warm and welcoming place for anyone but especially for a single woman. I have always felt safe here even living alone for the first time in my life. I love this place and all the people in it. No it's not perfect but pretty darn close and I am so happy to call this home.

[graciegirl]

My husband and I built a home here 4 years ago. He was over 55 and I was not. Our original intention was to be snowbirds at first then eventually move here fulltime. Unfortunately he passed away unexpectedly before realizing our dream. To make a long sad story short I moved here on my own not knowing what to expect especially since I was in my 40's. What I found was a wonderful, warm community that made me feel at home and welcome from day 1. Yes, I occasionally get the "you can"t live here you aren't old enough" comment. I just smile and say thank you but I grew up in the friendly south in a small town so I know friendly and this place is a wonderful, warm and welcoming place for anyone but especially for a single woman. I have always felt safe here even living alone for the first time in my life. I love this place and all the people in it. No it's not perfect but pretty darn close and I am so happy to call this home.

Your warmth is felt and your courage. I am so happy you call this place home too.:wave:

[Russ_Boston]

Not only a housing law in Florida, but elsewhere too, Russ. We as a country are trying to be correct. Making it law is the political vehicle used to facilitate that.

I did not use the PC term flippantly, I used it sincerely.

Ok - but I don't think it is a new law and I don't think it really has anything to do with being PC - not all laws are for PC - sometimes laws are just that. And I see no problem with allowing sub-55 to buy and live in TV anyway.

[Golfingnut]

Try this for a clear explanation.


55 & Over Housing: What is the 80/20 Rule? | Florida Condo & HOA Legal Blog (http://www.floridacondohoalawblog.com/2010/04/articles/fair-housing/55-over-housing-what-is-the-8020-rule/)

[ttown]

In our late fourties when we brought ,I was a teacher so we came and cleaned and worked for two weeks in August..we made enoughto cover expenses...no more....by renting high season.after five years.,retired., sold our house and moved to fl.
It is a totally dry panoramic golf course view.the bottom in the crawl space is dry white sand.all openings are sealed .no creatures.
The value of the house has risen with the market.we have no intention of selling
We have a sweeping view of the golf course and a big lot,low taxe and low insurance.we could survive on SS. It is a manufactured home,.

[billethkid]

for many of us golf had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to build a home and move into TV.

The good or bad or like or dislike is a function of who is looking or speaking. Can you imagine the demand here if TV were the answer for 100% of those who visit/buy?

Life has a way of sorting things out and in the end there is more population that likes what they bought into as the dislikes relocate or pass us by.

We always said there is no way we would ever live in FL. Well so much for that.

We have friends who lived a little further south of TV for many of their adult years and then moved to TN because the did not like FL for a lot of reasons. When they visited us here in TV, after a week they both said now this is what FL is supposed to be like and would never have left if it was.

Takes all kinds....there is no 100% answer....there never is.

btk

[Bucco]

I do not wish to change the focus of this thread, but I read so much about the developers etc. I took Disney’s business management courses called, The Disney Institute. What I see in The Villages is the model that is presented to one when you attend those courses. I researched and it appears Mr. Morse may have attended those classes when I did in the late 80’s.

Think about it for a minute, isn’t The villages exactly what Disney did? First they owned all of the property and the vendors, and now it is all affiliates and brands?

I think if you read the Wikipedia article you will find many similarities to The Villages.

JannD

Walt Disney World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World)


You are correct.

The Villages used the Disney model for districts,etc, which is always forgotten when folks begin their cry about our home. Do not hear anyone saying the same things about the Disney family.

I honestly am not sure if the still do this, but Pete Wahl used to have a course he taught on CDD, and everything we all misunderstand. It was great and very informative, but just wanted to know that your perceptions are right on.

[Uptown Girl]

Ok - but I don't think it is a new law and I don't think it really has anything to do with being PC - not all laws are for PC - sometimes laws are just that. And I see no problem with allowing sub-55 to buy and live in TV anyway.

I see no problem with it either.

My intended point to the OP was that things change, whether we direct the change or other factors do. HE seemed to think this sub-55 thing was new- not me.

The idea I was attempting to convey was that PERHAPS this (law) may not have been in effect at the inception of TV, or even when He moved here 14 years ago- but it is in effect now.


If you interpreted something other than that from my original post, or this one... you are reading something into it that is not there.

[mrf6969]

Pick a retirememnt community around the country and you will find full time peeps and part timers as well. What is all the hullabaloo here??

[Russ_Boston]

I see no problem with it either.

My intended point to the OP was that things change, whether we direct the change or other factors do. HE seemed to think this sub-55 thing was new- not me.

The idea I was attempting to convey was that PERHAPS this (law) may not have been in effect at the inception of TV, or even when He moved here 14 years ago- but it is in effect now.


If you interpreted something other than that from my original post, or this one... you are reading something into it that is not there.

OK - pretty sure it's been there since inception. I did gain a new understanding of the 20% 'rule'. I guess it's possible, reading that law, to not allow anyone under 55 if we so wish. I know all I had to do was get someone in TV sales management to sign the waiver. Wasn't a real problem for them.

[jannd228]

You are correct.

The Villages used the Disney model for districts,etc, which is always forgotten when folks begin their cry about our home. Do not hear anyone saying the same things about the Disney family.

I honestly am not sure if the still do this, but Pete Wahl used to have a course he taught on CDD, and everything we all misunderstand. It was great and very informative, but just wanted to know that your perceptions are right on.

thanks Bucco, I still follow the courses I attended on Facebook and online...I started to use their concepts for my new business (which really is my old business just in a retirement format) last weekend and my FB stats soared....

I understood from the beginning what I was reading here because of those courses, which in 1989 they offered to public educators and businesses, now only to businesses.

For others just search for The Disney Institute and read through the information, much of it applies to your community.

JannD

[Bucco]

I see no problem with it either.

My intended point to the OP was that things change, whether we direct the change or other factors do. HE seemed to think this sub-55 thing was new- not me.

The idea I was attempting to convey was that PERHAPS this (law) may not have been in effect at the inception of TV, or even when He moved here 14 years ago- but it is in effect now.


If you interpreted something other than that from my original post, or this one... you are reading something into it that is not there.

As the OP you refer you, allow me to point out that I never mentioned, implied, or hinted at the sub 55.

The thought you allotted to me was not mine, nor did I discuss nor point this thread toward.

[EastCoastDawg]

My only issue with TV is the way people drive. The speed limit is 20mph in my neighborhood and if anyone goes that speed I would be surprised. People have no respect for others when they get behind the wheel of a car.

Gotta say that 20 seems awfully slow. Is that only for golf carts in their special path or cars as well.

Rio Grande has a sign on it that reads "20 mph unless otherwise posted" so I have always assumed that 20 mph is the general speed limit in TV except for more major roads. Judging from the traffic flow, though, I don't think many people know that.

Many places nowadays have the speed limit painted on the road, and this way of notifying drivers seems a lot clearer than small signs by the side of the road. Maybe they should do that here.

[Uptown Girl]

As the OP you refer you, allow me to point out that I never mentioned, implied, or hinted at the sub 55.

The thought you allotted to me was not mine, nor did I discuss nor point this thread toward.

Although you did mention the thread about 'younger' folks buying, in general regard to changes... perhaps you meant that as representation of changes in the attitude/bias of some residents here- if so, I was off track by not understanding.

I interpreted your statement to mean that younger people buying in TV was a CHANGE from the way things were when you purchased.
My mis-interpretaion. Sorry.

:pray:

[Bucco]

Although you did mention the thread about 'younger' folks buying, in general regard to changes... perhaps you meant that as representation of changes in the attitude/bias of some residents here- if so, I was off track by not understanding.

I interpreted your statement to mean that younger people buying in TV was a CHANGE from the way things were when you purchased.
My mis-interpretaion. Sorry.

:pray:

No problem. My biggest concern was your statement "HE seemed to think this sub 55 thing was new-not me", because I simply mentioned a thread to make the point about how things have changed. The 80/20 should not be news to anyone who moves here or their research is flawed.

[DianeM]

Rio Grande has a sign on it that reads "20 mph unless otherwise posted" so I have always assumed that 20 mph is the general speed limit in TV except for more major roads. Judging from the traffic flow, though, I don't think many people know that.

Many places nowadays have the speed limit painted on the road, and this way of notifying drivers seems a lot clearer than small signs by the side of the road. Maybe they should do that here.

20 is really slow. That really is snail speed. Glad that most of the roads I use are 30 to 35.

[wendyquat]

Two comments: good to see Russ Boston's common sense posts again!

To DianeM, don't give up so quickly. We were about ready to leave after the first year as we had trouble finding a group we felt comfortable with. As others have said we bought a resale in a village that was five years old. Most of our neighbors had gotten over the initial excitement of TV and village "get togethers" were rare but after a time we have gotten to know and love our neighbors and that has led to getting involved in other things. We also found a club that we fit into and now, after 2 1/2 years, we are happy frogs! Get out there and get involved!

[DianeM]

Two comments: good to see Russ Boston's common sense posts again!

To DianeM, don't give up so quickly. We were about ready to leave after the first year as we had trouble finding a group we felt comfortable with. As others have said we bought a resale in a village that was five years old. Most of our neighbors had gotten over the initial excitement of TV and village "get togethers" were rare but after a time we have gotten to know and love our neighbors and that has led to getting involved in other things. We also found a club that we fit into and now, after 2 1/2 years, we are happy frogs! Get out there and get involved!

I haven't given up at all. I try different stuff all the time. I'm working on this life. It's less than 3 months as a resident (hate the expression 'frog '). Way too soon to throw in the towel. Thanks for the support.

[DougB]

I haven't given up at all. I try different stuff all the time. I'm working on this life. It's less than 3 months as a resident (hate the expression 'frog '). Way too soon to throw in the towel. Thanks for the support.

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."

[Pturner]

I have lived here about 13 years. Temp lived in Tampa for 3, but even then traveled here many times. I only tell that as a way of introduction....many here longer and shorter.

I have been struck by changes....

We have a thread concerning younger folks moving here (think I saw in 40's in one case). Not speaking of temp residents but homeowners.

We have a thread concerning whether another "retirement" community should have access to The Villages by golf cart.

I have noticed more of a resort attitude than a retirement attitude everywhere in the last few years. This is MY observation that people come here more and more to vacation.

There are rentals everywhere, and those who purchase homes have probably a fifty fifty chance of NEVER living here, just renting their property.

I am not passing any personal judgement,but in conversations many do.

What do folks think who have been here a few years think about all this. I NEVER could have predicted any of the few changes I mentioned years ago.

Hi Bucco,
It's interesting to hear about how TV has changed from the vantage point of a long-time resident. I've owned in TV only four years and am largely the face of the change you have witnessed. You see, I started life here as a snowflake, coming down as often as I could to savor the resort-like experience. Now that I'm a frog, ... I still savor the resort-like experience. (Then and now, I hasten to add, I treat personal and public property here with the reverence of home. Don't we wish everybody did?)

I see your point though. If I didn't witness these change myself, it's only because I came after they started and was indeed a part of the trend, for better or worse.

For what it's worth, the changes you mentioned were perhaps inevitable. If you live in a resort-like paradise, people who can't live there will want, well... a little slice of paradise. The alternative is to not live in a resort-like paradise. It's true some who come never will. For many of us though, there's no turning back.

[Bucco]

Hi Bucco,
It's interesting to hear about how TV has changed from the vantage point of a long-time resident. I've owned in TV only four years and am largely the face of the change you have witnessed. You see, I started life here as a snowflake, coming down as often as I could to savor the resort-like experience. Now that I'm a frog, ... I still savor the resort-like experience. (Then and now, I hasten to add, I treat personal and public property here with the reverence of home. Don't we wish everybody did?)

I see your point though. If I didn't witness these change myself, it's only because I came after they started and was indeed a part of the trend, for better or worse.

For what it's worth, the changes you mentioned were perhaps inevitable. If you live in a resort-like paradise, people who can't live there will want, well... a little slice of paradise. The alternative is to not live in a resort-like paradise. It's true some who come never will. For many of us though, there's no turning back.

Good post.

Be clear...because some have totally misunderstood my post.

I was not complaining about anything with this thread. It just struck me the dynamic changes in the years I have been here, and thus the thread. Some changes have been good and some not so good from my perspective.....but all change fits that definition.

[perrjojo]

I haven't given up at all. I try different stuff all the time. I'm working on this life. It's less than 3 months as a resident (hate the expression 'frog '). Way too soon to throw in the towel. Thanks for the support.

I think frogs are cute, big eyed, hoppy little creatures, full of energy. :)
Change is not easy but hopefully you will soon feel this was a good choice. Welcome to the Villages. I hope you find happiness here.

[perrjojo]

20 is really slow. That really is snail speed. Glad that most of the roads I use are 30 to 35.

20 IS really slow but I think it is the usual speed limit for residential streets. Some of our streets are so busy that it is hard to think of them as residential streets.

[cabo35]

Great thread. I agree that The Villages is becoming an end destination for vacationers or those looking for a getaway from the real world.

No one has mentioned the growth and metamorphosis of TOTV. I remember the rough and tumble of the virtually unmoderated political forum. I remember delightfully stimulating and thought provoking posts by Kahuna, Billethkid, Bucco and a litany of others from all political persuasions and ideologies. Most of us were in it for cerebral exercise. Care had to be taken to research your position as exhilarating challenges could always be expected. I learned a lot from some very intelligent, informed Villages TOTV posters. One example was a regular poster who was very successful in the banking industry. He shared some brilliant, articulate, insider assessments on current events that prompted some to alter their opinions. It is sad when that kind of opportunity for informed enlightenment has passed into oblivion. It is lost to all but a few TOTV old-timers.

I remember the TOTV political forum morphing from an open forum to a closed forum that you had to register for. Probably a casualty of political correctness taken to a fault. I could never understand the critics of lively debate protesting to the moderators about the spirited content of a forum they had voluntarily signed into. Kind of like a nosey voyeur climbing a ladder to his neighbors bedroom window and then reporting to their landlord that he didn't like what he saw and demands they be evicted.

While memories of the sometimes raucous old political forum slowly fade, I hope that the new moderators strike a balance that allows for some passionate, colorful opinions outside the mainstream. In other words, I hope they don't sanitize the forums into boring, politically correct banter for the masses............(provocative thought provoking pause).

Thanks for an interesting thread. I hope this post passes muster and doesn't wind up in the great "deleted file" in cyberspace.

Have a great day in The Villages!

[jannd228]

Great thread. I agree that The Villages is becoming an end destination for vacationers or those looking for a getaway from the real world.

No one has mentioned the growth and metamorphosis of TOTV. I remember the rough and tumble of the virtually unmoderated political forum. I remember delightfully stimulating and thought provoking posts by Kahuna, Billethkid, Bucco and a litany of others from all political persuasions and ideologies. Most of us were in it for cerebral exercise. Care had to be taken to research your position as exhilarating challenges could always be expected. I learned a lot from some very intelligent, informed Villages TOTV posters. One example was a regular poster who was very successful in the banking industry. He shared some brilliant, articulate, insider assessments on current events that prompted some to alter their opinions. It is sad when that kind of opportunity for informed enlightenment has passed into oblivion. It is lost to all but a few TOTV old-timers.

I remember the TOTV political forum morphing from an open forum to a closed forum that you had to register for. Probably a casualty of political correctness taken to a fault. I could never understand the critics of lively debate protesting to the moderators about the spirited content of a forum they had voluntarily signed into. Kind of like a nosey voyeur climbing a ladder to his neighbors bedroom window and then reporting to their landlord that he didn't like what he saw and demands they be evicted.

While memories of the sometimes raucous old political forum slowly fade, I hope that the new moderators strike a balance that allows for some passionate, colorful opinions outside the mainstream. In other words, I hope they don't sanitize the forums into boring, politically correct banter for the masses............(provocative thought provoking pause).

Thanks for an interesting thread. I hope this post passes muster and doesn't wind up in the great "deleted file" in cyberspace.

Have a great day in The Villages!

I agree I remember those forums, they were great

[Bucco]

Great thread. I agree that The Villages is becoming an end destination for vacationers or those looking for a getaway from the real world.

No one has mentioned the growth and metamorphosis of TOTV. I remember the rough and tumble of the virtually unmoderated political forum. I remember delightfully stimulating and thought provoking posts by Kahuna, Billethkid, Bucco and a litany of others from all political persuasions and ideologies. Most of us were in it for cerebral exercise. Care had to be taken to research your position as exhilarating challenges could always be expected. I learned a lot from some very intelligent, informed Villages TOTV posters. One example was a regular poster who was very successful in the banking industry. He shared some brilliant, articulate, insider assessments on current events that prompted some to alter their opinions. It is sad when that kind of opportunity for informed enlightenment has passed into oblivion. It is lost to all but a few TOTV old-timers.

I remember the TOTV political forum morphing from an open forum to a closed forum that you had to register for. Probably a casualty of political correctness taken to a fault. I could never understand the critics of lively debate protesting to the moderators about the spirited content of a forum they had voluntarily signed into. Kind of like a nosey voyeur climbing a ladder to his neighbors bedroom window and then reporting to their landlord that he didn't like what he saw and demands they be evicted.

While memories of the sometimes raucous old political forum slowly fade, I hope that the new moderators strike a balance that allows for some passionate, colorful opinions outside the mainstream. In other words, I hope they don't sanitize the forums into boring, politically correct banter for the masses............(provocative thought provoking pause).

Thanks for an interesting thread. I hope this post passes muster and doesn't wind up in the great "deleted file" in cyberspace.

Have a great day in The Villages!

Boy what a great post.

I cannot leave it go without saying it was nice to "see you" again and you bring back many great memories.

The Political up until about a year ago was such a fantastic learning tool for me.......that banker you mentioned and I disagreed many times, but I looked forward to his outlook on some issues that I found problem areas.

And yes before those who are on here only to cause dissension and not to learn anything, it was a fun learning experience.

I understand the administration stance, but for some reason the guns were and are aimed at the wrong folks. Some know how to play the game.

But, that forum caused me more reading, more study than anything I can recall. Disagreeing was NOT a bad thing....so often, WHICH IS FORGOTTEN, you would come back on and admit that you just learned something.

This is one of the changes in The Villages I do not like....folks with attitudes like those who just want to....I think the word is FLAME. It is a real shame.

Thanks for the post and the memories and please adminstrator..nobody is expressing political thoughts and nobody is bashing anyone, and nobody is bashing you. This is on topic as it is one part of The Villages that I miss very much.

[Golfingnut]

Great thread. I agree that The Villages is becoming an end destination for vacationers or those looking for a getaway from the real world.

No one has mentioned the growth and metamorphosis of TOTV. I remember the rough and tumble of the virtually unmoderated political forum. I remember delightfully stimulating and thought provoking posts by Kahuna, Billethkid, Bucco and a litany of others from all political persuasions and ideologies. Most of us were in it for cerebral exercise. Care had to be taken to research your position as exhilarating challenges could always be expected. I learned a lot from some very intelligent, informed Villages TOTV posters. One example was a regular poster who was very successful in the banking industry. He shared some brilliant, articulate, insider assessments on current events that prompted some to alter their opinions. It is sad when that kind of opportunity for informed enlightenment has passed into oblivion. It is lost to all but a few TOTV old-timers.

I remember the TOTV political forum morphing from an open forum to a closed forum that you had to register for. Probably a casualty of political correctness taken to a fault. I could never understand the critics of lively debate protesting to the moderators about the spirited content of a forum they had voluntarily signed into. Kind of like a nosey voyeur climbing a ladder to his neighbors bedroom window and then reporting to their landlord that he didn't like what he saw and demands they be evicted.

While memories of the sometimes raucous old political forum slowly fade, I hope that the new moderators strike a balance that allows for some passionate, colorful opinions outside the mainstream. In other words, I hope they don't sanitize the forums into boring, politically correct banter for the masses............(provocative thought provoking pause).

Thanks for an interesting thread. I hope this post passes muster and doesn't wind up in the great "deleted file" in cyberspace.

Have a great day in The Villages!

Nicely scripted post. I also have fond memories of the forum as well. I think the problem was that only those of one opinion was allowed access without getting ganged up on and hence the only fair action was to eliminate the forum. I do miss it, but know closing it was the right thing to do.

[Pturner]

Good post.

Be clear...because some have totally misunderstood my post.

I was not complaining about anything with this thread. It just struck me the dynamic changes in the years I have been here, and thus the thread. Some changes have been good and some not so good from my perspective.....but all change fits that definition.

Yes, I understood that you were just making an observation. No offense taken at all. Good thread. Thanks.

[Bavarian]

Great thread. I agree that The Villages is becoming an end destination for vacationers or those looking for a getaway from the real world.

No one has mentioned the growth and metamorphosis of TOTV. I remember the rough and tumble of the virtually unmoderated political forum. I remember delightfully stimulating and thought provoking posts by Kahuna, Billethkid, Bucco and a litany of others from all political persuasions and ideologies. Most of us were in it for cerebral exercise. Care had to be taken to research your position as exhilarating challenges could always be expected. I learned a lot from some very intelligent, informed Villages TOTV posters. One example was a regular poster who was very successful in the banking industry. He shared some brilliant, articulate, insider assessments on current events that prompted some to alter their opinions. It is sad when that kind of opportunity for informed enlightenment has passed into oblivion. It is lost to all but a few TOTV old-timers.

I remember the TOTV political forum morphing from an open forum to a closed forum that you had to register for. Probably a casualty of political correctness taken to a fault. I could never understand the critics of lively debate protesting to the moderators about the spirited content of a forum they had voluntarily signed into. Kind of like a nosey voyeur climbing a ladder to his neighbors bedroom window and then reporting to their landlord that he didn't like what he saw and demands they be evicted.

While memories of the sometimes raucous old political forum slowly fade, I hope that the new moderators strike a balance that allows for some passionate, colorful opinions outside the mainstream. In other words, I hope they don't sanitize the forums into boring, politically correct banter for the masses............(provocative thought provoking pause).

Thanks for an interesting thread. I hope this post passes muster and doesn't wind up in the great "deleted file" in cyberspace.

Have a great day in The Villages!

Coming recently from up in MD where we have a similar forum tool, I did not understand having to sign up for Political forum, if you don't want to read it, just don't go there. Here the Religion forum was the biggest fighting ground, has died down now as people have let everyone to their own beliefs and discuss without name calling. This version allows one to hide posts from certain people, we can screen the "nut jobs" up here.

We need a forum for exercising ideas and keep the grey cells sharp, as Hercule Poirot would say.

We need to watch our funds if the Second Depression comes as many predict. Where to stash funds to continue to be able to pay for this beautiful place.

P.S. anyone else getting virus warnings and not being able to return to next page. When I had the checker off, my PC crashes. Back to packing and taking some old books to library.

[graciegirl]

Great thread. I agree that The Villages is becoming an end destination for vacationers or those looking for a getaway from the real world.

No one has mentioned the growth and metamorphosis of TOTV. I remember the rough and tumble of the virtually unmoderated political forum. I remember delightfully stimulating and thought provoking posts by Kahuna, Billethkid, Bucco and a litany of others from all political persuasions and ideologies. Most of us were in it for cerebral exercise. Care had to be taken to research your position as exhilarating challenges could always be expected. I learned a lot from some very intelligent, informed Villages TOTV posters. One example was a regular poster who was very successful in the banking industry. He shared some brilliant, articulate, insider assessments on current events that prompted some to alter their opinions. It is sad when that kind of opportunity for informed enlightenment has passed into oblivion. It is lost to all but a few TOTV old-timers.

I remember the TOTV political forum morphing from an open forum to a closed forum that you had to register for. Probably a casualty of political correctness taken to a fault. I could never understand the critics of lively debate protesting to the moderators about the spirited content of a forum they had voluntarily signed into. Kind of like a nosey voyeur climbing a ladder to his neighbors bedroom window and then reporting to their landlord that he didn't like what he saw and demands they be evicted.

While memories of the sometimes raucous old political forum slowly fade, I hope that the new moderators strike a balance that allows for some passionate, colorful opinions outside the mainstream. In other words, I hope they don't sanitize the forums into boring, politically correct banter for the masses............(provocative thought provoking pause).

Thanks for an interesting thread. I hope this post passes muster and doesn't wind up in the great "deleted file" in cyberspace.

Have a great day in The Villages!

I sent a PM to the Admin on that very subject. In the last hour there have been deletions I have questioned.

I was one glad to see political disappear..because of just a couple really vicious posters. But now I want it back. Even if it is relegated again to op-in.

I hope I don't get banned from speaking out about this.

[Golfingnut]

I sent a PM to the Admin on that very subject. In the last hour there have been deletions I have questioned.

I was one glad to see political disappear..because of just a couple really vicious posters. But now I want it back. Even if it is relegated again to op-in.

I hope I don't get banned from speaking out about this.

I am reluctant to agree with you on this for one reason. I fear the vicious posters you refer to would return.

[Moderator]

The original topic was changing times in The Villages, not just TOTV. Posts have wandered almost exclusively into discussion of the closed political forum.

How about discussing changes in medical care, entertainment, age/origin of new residents, more/fewer seasonal residents, activities, lifestyle program, etc.?

Time to broaden the theme back to where this thread started.

Moderator

[Golfingnut]

We came here the first time in 2004. The difference from every place else we tried in our search for the perfect retirement home was that The Villages offered wonderful homes with the feel of a resort that included hundreds of things to do that you would find in a resort or a cruise ship. Yet, with the neighborhoods, it is also like a home town. 9 years later and it has only gotten better. We are all so blessed to have this opertunity.

[amybelles]

We came here the first time in 2004. The difference from every place else we tried in our search for the perfect retirement home was that The Villages offered wonderful homes with the feel of a resort that included hundreds of things to do that you would find in a resort or a cruise ship. Yet, with the neighborhoods, it is also like a home town. 9 years later and it has only gotten better. We are all so blessed to have this opertunity.

Great to hear!

[asianthree]

we wanted to buy early since you never know if your retirment will be there when you need it. and our home will be paid for when we come full time....and can use our home before our health goes down hill..so if that means we use our home couple months out of the year..it not much different than having a cottage up north that you only use few months of the year

[Bay Kid]

It is groundhog day EVERYDAY! So much fun.

[Irish Rover]

It would be interesting to know the average age in the three main sections of TV (Spanish Springs, Lake Sumpter Landing, and Brownwood). We started coming to TV in 2000 and it was a quaint little place then. Spanish Spring was really fun with restaurants, a good bakery, a microbrewery, Katie Belles, good shops, and an easy cart ride from anywhere in the "then" Villages. I think the residents north of Spanish Springs on the whole don't have any interest in driving to Brownwood or even Lake Sumpter for that matter. I say this because I think the age group is higher there. This is not a knock, just an observation but the size and population of TV has changed what I thought TV was supposed to be. We still enjoy our two months a year but it is different.:thumbup:

[manaboutown]

There is no pee in Lake Sumter!