Speed limit on the golf cart paths

[tommy steam]

What would that limit be? Let's say its 20 , could you get a ticket if you were going 22. Thank you.

[SemiMike]

What would that limit be? Let's say its 20 , could you get a ticket if you were going 22. Thank you.

My understanding is that the multimodal paths are private property, so local law enforcement has no jurisdiction there. Thus, whatever the limit is considered, there is no one to enforce it.

[DonH57]

I don't understand the belief on this site that the multi modal paths are private property not subject to LE jurisdiction. Most run along the roadways. I personally would not trust what I read here as fact. I would ask the authorities. I'm no goody two shoes but wouldn't trust what someone states here. Just saying.

[rhood]

That's a fact Jack ! ! ! Lots of misinformation here, but not this.

[NECHFalcon68]

In a recent issue of the POA, the Sumter Sheriff said there was no posted speed limit on the multi modal paths. As such he cant cite for speeding, however, if a n Officer sees activity that he believes is criminal (such as erratic driving, suspicion of DUI), he can act.
On the street, it is 20mph
I know the POA news is posted on a site, damned if I can find it right now...

[buggyone]

Yep, that is the fact. The multi-modal trails are private property and the local law enforcement officers do not have authority to give tickets - except if they see open alcohol containers or reckless driving.

Personally, I believe volunteers of Seniors vs Crime should be given radar guns and have the authority to give citations on the multi-modal trails for speeds over 20 mph.

[Carl in Tampa]

Florida Statute 316.640

(2) COUNTIES.�
(a) The sheriff�s office of each of the several counties of this state shall enforce all of the traffic laws of this state on all the streets and highways thereof and elsewhere throughout the county wherever the public has the right to travel by motor vehicle. In addition, the sheriff�s office may be required by the county to enforce the traffic laws of this state on any private or limited access road or roads over which the county has jurisdiction pursuant to a written agreement entered into under s. 316.006(3)(b).

:gc:

[Bogie Shooter]

In a recent issue of the POA, the Sumter Sheriff said there was no posted speed limit on the multi modal paths. As such he cant cite for speeding, however, if a n Officer sees activity that he believes is criminal (such as erratic driving, suspicion of DUI), he can act.
On the street, it is 20mph
I know the POA news is posted on a site, damned if I can find it right now...

Property Owners, Association of Florida (http://www.poa4us.org/)

[NECHFalcon68]

Here it is. Go to question 8 on page 11 and the answer on page 12,
http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201305.pdf

[Carl in Tampa]

320.01 Definitions, general.�As used in the Florida Statutes, except as otherwise provided, the term:
(1) �Motor vehicle� means:
(a) An automobile, motorcycle, truck, trailer, semitrailer, truck tractor and semitrailer combination, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state, used to transport persons or property, and propelled by power other than muscular power, but the term does not include traction engines, road rollers, special mobile equipment as defined in s. 316.003(48), vehicles that run only upon a track, bicycles, swamp buggies, or mopeds.

(22) �Golf cart� means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

[rhood]

Sounds like you are saying that SCSO are a bunch of rookies who don't know the law?

[looneycat]

Florida Statute 316.640

(2) COUNTIES.�
(a) The sheriff�s office of each of the several counties of this state shall enforce all of the traffic laws of this state on all the streets and highways thereof and elsewhere throughout the county wherever the public has the right to travel by motor vehicle. In addition, the sheriff�s office may be required by the county to enforce the traffic laws of this state on any private or limited access road or roads over which the county has jurisdiction pursuant to a written agreement entered into under s. 316.006(3)(b).

:gc:

multimodal paths were not built with public (county) money.

[Carl in Tampa]

multimodal paths were not built with public (county) money.

That is immaterial. This provision was developed specifically to address traffic enforcement on the parking lots of malls, shopping centers and other private property locations.

The parking lots were not paved using public money.

[Pepperhead]

I know this sounds like I'm bragging, but here goes....
I am not a lawyer.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I've never seen a speed limit posted so how would it be possible for LE to enforce one.

[Mikeod]

320.01 Definitions, general.�As used in the Florida Statutes, except as otherwise provided, the term:
(1) �Motor vehicle� means:
(a) An automobile, motorcycle, truck, trailer, semitrailer, truck tractor and semitrailer combination, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state, used to transport persons or property, and propelled by power other than muscular power, but the term does not include traction engines, road rollers, special mobile equipment as defined in s. 316.003(48), vehicles that run only upon a track, bicycles, swamp buggies, or mopeds.

(22) �Golf cart� means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.
The Sumter County Sheriff has stated he doesn't have authority to cite speeding on the MM paths. I would think that would be clear enough.

[Carl in Tampa]

The Sumter County Sheriff has stated he doesn't have authority to cite speeding on the MM paths. I would think that would be clear enough.

Did you read the article? He also said: "b) If we can articulate reckless driving anywhere in the State of Florida, public or private property, you are fair game."

Speeding can be an element of reckless driving. The charge can be "reckless driving by driving at a speed unsafe for conditions."

Conditions can include narrow paths, congested traffic, inclement weather, etc..

Be aware that you can be cited for reckless driving on an Interstate highway posted for 70 mph when you are driving 70 mph if 70 is too fast for conditions, in conditions listed above. Note you won't be charged with speeding, but reckless driving.

:police:

[ROCKETMAN]

I asked several deputies and they all said the same thing. Reckless driving and alcohol they can enforce. But if your going 30 mph and not weaving in and out of traffic, nothing they can do. Same as stop signs in parking lots, just informational.

[Carl in Tampa]

ROCKETMAN
Senior Member

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 180
Smile No ticket
I asked several deputies and they all said the same thing. Reckless driving and alcohol they can enforce. But if your going 30 mph and not weaving in and out of traffic, nothing they can do. Same as stop signs in parking lots, just informational.

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This, again, from the speech referenced in the newsletter:

We have aggressively gone after golf carts running stop
signs and those who have rigged the golf cart
to do more speed than what the manufacturer
specification states that it is supposed to do.

A previous post quoted the definition of golf cart under Florida law as being limited to 20 mph. They DO write speeding tickets for exceeding the speed defined for golf carts.

Golf carts cannot legally go 30 mph.

Even Low Speed Vehicles (LSV) which are licensed and operate on the streets cannot legally go 30 mph. Florida Statute 320.01 says: (42) “Low-speed vehicle” means any four-wheeled electric vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 miles per hour but not greater than 25 miles per hour, including neighborhood electric vehicles.

Perhaps some deputies need to go back to school. Or you misunderstood or misquoted them.

[Bogie Shooter]

ROCKETMAN
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This, again, from the speech referenced in the newsletter:

We have aggressively gone after golf carts running stop
signs and those who have rigged the golf cart
to do more speed than what the manufacturer
specification states that it is supposed to do.

A previous post quoted the definition of golf cart under Florida law as being limited to 20 mph. They DO write speeding tickets for exceeding the speed defined for golf carts.



.

The above statement dealt with carts on county roads/streets.
-running stop signs
-rigged for higher speeds.

[mickey100]

I've never seen a speed limit posted so how would it be possible for LE to enforce one.

There used to be posted limits on the Morse bridge by Sumter. 10 mph I think. Not sure if the signs are still there, but they are routinely disregarded in any event.

[Mikeod]

ROCKETMAN
Senior Member

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 180
Smile No ticket
I asked several deputies and they all said the same thing. Reckless driving and alcohol they can enforce. But if your going 30 mph and not weaving in and out of traffic, nothing they can do. Same as stop signs in parking lots, just informational.

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This, again, from the speech referenced in the newsletter:

We have aggressively gone after golf carts running stop
signs and those who have rigged the golf cart
to do more speed than what the manufacturer
specification states that it is supposed to do.

A previous post quoted the definition of golf cart under Florida law as being limited to 20 mph. They DO write speeding tickets for exceeding the speed defined for golf carts.

Golf carts cannot legally go 30 mph.

Even Low Speed Vehicles (LSV) which are licensed and operate on the streets cannot legally go 30 mph. Florida Statute 320.01 says: (42) �Low-speed vehicle� means any four-wheeled electric vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 miles per hour but not greater than 25 miles per hour, including neighborhood electric vehicles.

Perhaps some deputies need to go back to school. Or you misunderstood or misquoted them.
It is apparent you have made up your mind on whether carts on MM paths can be cited for reckless driving when all they are doing is exceeding 20mph. That's fine. Others disagree and feel it is eminently possible to drive a cart on the MM paths in a non-reckless manner while exceeding 20mph. End of story. Have a good day.

[clekr]

I understand there are those who believe the mm are private and therefore you cannot get a speeding ticket thereon. However, I met someone who saw a Sumter county deputy with his cycle up in the shrubbery decider on Morse with radar shooting the carts. My guess is he does not agree with that view.

[perrjojo]

Does it really matter if you can get a ticket? Does it really matter if the is a law written somewhere? What matters to me is that golf carts are not meant to travel at more than 20 mph on our multimodal paths. Why does anyone want to drive beyond the speed that is considered safe or as the insurance companies would say...reasonable and customary? Jeesh! Are we adults or what?

[buggyone]

I understand there are those who believe the mm are private and therefore you cannot get a speeding ticket thereon. However, I met someone who saw a Sumter county deputy with his cycle up in the shrubbery decider on Morse with radar shooting the carts. My guess is he does not agree with that view.

I love these "a friend of a friend of a co-worker told me..." stories. I put a lot of credence in them.

[Carl in Tampa]

It is apparent you have made up your mind on whether carts on MM paths can be cited for reckless driving when all they are doing is exceeding 20mph. That's fine. Others disagree and feel it is eminently possible to drive a cart on the MM paths in a non-reckless manner while exceeding 20mph. End of story. Have a good day.

Well, noooo....

That's not what I said. I said that speeding could be an element of reckless driving when combined with other elements, such as narrow paths, congested traffic and inclement weather.

I quoted Florida Statutes and the speech of the deputy.

But the point is that you can be cited no matter where you are for exceeding 20 mph in a golf cart --- as stated by the deputy. I quoted the law that limits all golf carts to that speed. The roadway need not be posted.

The deputy said that catching drivers who have modified their golf carts to exceed 20 mph is one of their main enforcement efforts.

:police:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The Sumter County Sheriff has stated he doesn't have authority to cite speeding on the MM paths. I would think that would be clear enough.

What's clear about that regarding speed limits. Are street legal carts not allowed on multi modal paths? Are bicycles allowed on multi modal paths? If I'm not mistaken, motor scooters with engines under 50CCs are allowed on paths. They are all legal and all capable of going over 20 mph.

[donb9006]

Carts don't require a license to drive. A 13 y/o can drive one. If stopped, ONLY have your villages ID, problem solved.

[Djembe dude]

Actually a person has to be 14 years old to drive in the villages, check the villages rules on this. I personally don't think anyone under 18 should be allowed to drive a cart.

[Sydney]

[quote=personally, i believe volunteers of seniors vs crime should be given radar guns and have the authority to give citations on the multi-modal trails for speeds over 20 mph.[/quote]
👍👮👍

[Bogie Shooter]

Actually a person has to be 14 years old to drive in the villages, check the villages rules on this. I personally don't think anyone under 18 should be allowed to drive a cart.

14 years old is a state law..........not a villages rule.

[ROCKETMAN]

Everything you say is for public roads not paths as far as enforcing speed limits. I talked to 3 different deputies and they all said the same thing as far as enforcing speed limits on paths. No can do!!!!

[capecodbob]

I must be missing something here. Done a couple thousand miles on the MM paths and I see NO NEED for q-tips hiding in the bushes with radar guns or the local revenue boys wasting their time on golf carts in TV. Sure there are a few obnoxious ones in golf carts but they are very rare. And they're usually gone in a week or two.

[yabbadu]

What a thought..Seniors with Radar guns giving citations.

[rubicon]

Florida Statute 316.640

(2) COUNTIES.�
(a) The sheriff�s office of each of the several counties of this state shall enforce all of the traffic laws of this state on all the streets and highways thereof and elsewhere throughout the county wherever the public has the right to travel by motor vehicle. In addition, the sheriff�s office may be required by the county to enforce the traffic laws of this state on any private or limited access road or roads over which the county has jurisdiction pursuant to a written agreement entered into under s. 316.006(3)(b).

:gc:

This Statute like all many is written to anticipate the exception so as to allow the police the power to act. A golf cart vis a vis an LSV cannot exceed 19.6 mph. You can bet if a golf cart strikes a pedestrian on the golf cart path the police will investigate for cause including speed. Even if they did not with or without insurance the pedestrian and/or family would file a legal action.

To my way of thinking it doesn't matter what authority the police have because I am not going to intentionally do anything that is consider criminal be a minor violation or a felony.

The behavior of some golf cart drivers on cart paths is plain reckless and it is because they are feckless

[twinklesweep]

What would that limit be? Let's say its 20 , could you get a ticket if you were going 22. Thank you.

What�s wrong with this picture? We have 35 posts based on the OP which makes reference to the speed limit of golf carts being 20 mph, so �can�t we go 22 and not be subject to ticketing?�

Simply AND BOLDLY put, THE SPEED LIMIT FOR A GOLF CART IS 20 MPH. Anything beyond this is moot. Should there be any discussion from that point on?

This reminds me of my writing about the person complaining about getting a ticket in a school zone with the lights flashing because of being from out-of-state, without an iota of thought that it was that individual who chose to fly through the school zone.

Or the people who have said that Buena Vista Blvd �looks like� it was designed for speeds higher than 35 mph and so choose to drive faster. When ticketed, I supposed we�ll hear that �it�s the road�s fault!�

What part of �the speed limit for a golf cart is 20 mph� is incomprehensible?

[NJblue]

Simply AND BOLDLY put, THE SPEED LIMIT FOR A GOLF CART IS 20 MPH. Anything beyond this is moot. Should there be any discussion from that point on?

But, the OP only asked about the speed limit on the multi-modal paths. He didn't ask about the speed limit for golf carts. Since, as has been pointed out, other forms of vehicles use the multi-modal paths than golf carts, it is a valid question. I think it has been pointed out multiple times, however, that there is no speed limit per se on the multi-modal paths.

[Carl in Tampa]

But, the OP only asked about the speed limit on the multi-modal paths. He didn't ask about the speed limit for golf carts. Since, as has been pointed out, other forms of vehicles use the multi-modal paths than golf carts, it is a valid question. I think it has been pointed out multiple times, however, that there is no speed limit per se on the multi-modal paths.

Well, no...........

If you insist on what was literally said, that the OP did not ask about the speed limit for golf carts, then you must accept that he did not ask about the speed limit on multi-modal paths.

Look at the original post again, including the title. The question was about GOLF CART PATHS.

"Speed limit on the golf cart paths
What would that limit be? Let's say its 20 , could you get a ticket if you were going 22. Thank you."

And, since only golf carts are authorized to use the golf cart paths, for a fee, the discussion should be limited to golf carts.

This confusion in terms is probably the source of much of the confusion and misunderstanding that exists on this thread.

But the fact remains that by definition in state law it is illegal to go more than 20 mph in a golf cart ANYWHERE.

:police:

[Carl in Tampa]

Simply AND BOLDLY put, THE SPEED LIMIT FOR A GOLF CART IS 20 MPH. Anything beyond this is moot. Should there be any discussion from that point on?

What part of �the speed limit for a golf cart is 20 mph� is incomprehensible?

:clap2::agree::clap2:

[graciegirl]

What’s wrong with this picture? We have 35 posts based on the OP which makes reference to the speed limit of golf carts being 20 mph, so “can’t we go 22 and not be subject to ticketing?”

Simply AND BOLDLY put, THE SPEED LIMIT FOR A GOLF CART IS 20 MPH. Anything beyond this is moot. Should there be any discussion from that point on?

This reminds me of my writing about the person complaining about getting a ticket in a school zone with the lights flashing because of being from out-of-state, without an iota of thought that it was that individual who chose to fly through the school zone.

Or the people who have said that Buena Vista Blvd “looks like” it was designed for speeds higher than 35 mph and so choose to drive faster. When ticketed, I supposed we’ll hear that “it’s the road’s fault!”

What part of “the speed limit for a golf cart is 20 mph” is incomprehensible?


Welll said. Now I have to look up what feckless means on Rubicon's post. I don't think it is anything I want to be.

[Hancle704]

320.01 Definitions, general.�As used in
(22) �Golf cart� means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

So if they catch you doing over 20 MPH you are no longer operating a golf cart, but an unregistered vehicle and the offense is not speeding.

[redwitch]

It sounds like an argument over semantics -- if you mean the paths that run beside but are not part of the road, then local law enforcement has no jurisdiction (except when you get off the path to cross a street); if you mean the paths inside the golf courses, again, no jurisdiction; if you mean the paths that are on the street and separated by a solid white line, then, yes, you could be ticketed for going 22 MPH but probably wouldn't. Go 25 plus and you just might get that very expensive ticket.

[rubicon]

followed the comments from my last posts.

1. Actually the OP basically asked two or three questions depending how you view it : a) Is there a speed limit on the cart paths? b) If you go above 20mph can you get a ticket The questions invited many legitimate inquiries which members addressed.

Technically there are three paths that should clarified because each may have influence on the answers members shared with the OP and others.

The designated lanes on streets such as Baily Trail are termed diamond lanes
The lanes that run parallel to streets such as Buena Vista are multi-modal lanes.
The lanes that run on a golf course re termed golf cart paths.

However generally people refer to the multi-modal lanes as the golf cart paths because most people understand what they mean. I broke it down for the anal among us:D

[NJblue]

Well, no...........

If you insist on what was literally said, that the OP did not ask about the speed limit for golf carts, then you must accept that he did not ask about the speed limit on multi-modal paths.

Look at the original post again, including the title. The question was about GOLF CART PATHS.

"Speed limit on the golf cart paths
What would that limit be? Let's say its 20 , could you get a ticket if you were going 22. Thank you."

And, since only golf carts are authorized to use the golf cart paths, for a fee, the discussion should be limited to golf carts.

This confusion in terms is probably the source of much of the confusion and misunderstanding that exists on this thread.

But the fact remains that by definition in state law it is illegal to go more than 20 mph in a golf cart ANYWHERE.

:police:

Perhaps you are new to TV, but you are wrong in stating that only golf carts are authorized to use golf cart paths. Whether they are the "diamond lanes", multi-modal paths or actual golf cart paths on a golf course, LSVs are allowed on all three. Hence, one can not declare that there is a speed limit of 20 on them just because one type of vehicle that uses them is restricted to 20 MPH.

[Carl in Tampa]

followed the comments from my last posts.

1. Actually the OP basically asked two or three questions depending how you view it : a) Is there a speed limit on the cart paths? b) If you go above 20mph can you get a ticket The questions invited many legitimate inquiries which members addressed.

Technically there are three paths that should clarified because each may have influence on the answers members shared with the OP and others.

The designated lanes on streets such as Baily Trail are termed diamond lanes
The lanes that run parallel to streets such as Buena Vista are multi-modal lanes.
The lanes that run on a golf course re termed golf cart paths.

However generally people refer to the multi-modal lanes as the golf cart paths because most people understand what they mean. I broke it down for the anal among us:D

Nah, you changed your answer when it was pointed out that the OP was about golf cart paths, not multi-modal as you had erroneously stated.

However, let's find an area of agreement. I agree that virtually everyone calls the multi-modal paths "golf cart paths." That is what has added much confusion to this discussion. Language can be slippery, particularly since most people are imprecise in what they say. Apparently in your view the precise are "anal." :D

The fact remains that no matter where you are, if you have modified your golf cart so it can exceed 20 mph and are caught driving over 20 mph you can be cited.

On the other hand, for 2 mph over 20 seems to be an unlikely charge.

[Pepperhead]

This gal (http://www.districtgov.org/community/Multi-Modal-Memo.pdf)needs to read TOTV because, based on some of the posts in this thread, she is putting out some bad info.

[NJblue]

Nah, you changed your answer when it was pointed out that the OP was about golf cart paths, not multi-modal as you had erroneously stated.

However, let's find an area of agreement. I agree that virtually everyone calls the multi-modal paths "golf cart paths." That is what has added much confusion to this discussion. Language can be slippery, particularly since most people are imprecise in what they say. Apparently in your view the precise are "anal." :D

The fact remains that no matter where you are, if you have modified your golf cart so it can exceed 20 mph and are caught driving over 20 mph you can be cited.

On the other hand, for 2 mph over 20 seems to be an unlikely charge.

No one is questioning that golf carts are limited by law to 20 MPH. However, that was not the OP's question. The question pertained to speed limits on golf cart paths - not speed limits on golf carts. There is a big distinction and for those who preach precision in language, it should be clear.

[Carl in Tampa]

Perhaps you are new to TV, but you are wrong in stating that only golf carts are authorized to use golf cart paths. Whether they are the "diamond lanes", multi-modal paths or actual golf cart paths on a golf course, LSVs are allowed on all three. Hence, one can not declare that there is a speed limit of 20 on them just because one type of vehicle that uses them is restricted to 20 MPH.

Ah, you got me.... sort of.

I had not thought of LSVs being permitted on the golf cart paths. From what I was told when I bought my cart, LSVs are technically too heavy to operate on the golf cart paths without the explicit permission of the golf course operator. And, frankly, I've never noticed an LSV on the golf cart paths, where I seldom go.

But, on the other point, I did not claim that there is a speed limit of 20 on any of the three types of path because golf carts are limited to 20 mph. I've made no claims about speed limits, although I'm about to in another post. I've only addressed that it is illegal for a golf cart to go over 20 mph anywhere because that speed is addressed in the state law defining golf carts.

[Carl in Tampa]

No one is questioning that golf carts are limited by law to 20 MPH. However, that was not the OP's question. The question pertained to speed limits on golf cart paths - not speed limits on golf carts. There is a big distinction and for those who preach precision in language, it should be clear.

As is commonplace in forums, the discussion ranges far beyond the question of the OP.

On the first page of this thread an erroneous assumption was made: " The multi-modal trails are private property and the local law enforcement officers do not have authority to give tickets - except if they see open alcohol containers or reckless driving."

It was in response to this incorrect statement that the discussion moved to law enforcement on private property regarding any other motorized vehicle designed to carry passengers, and the subject of golf carts developed in subsequent posts.

Glad to see you now agree that the OP asked about golf cart paths and not multi-modal paths. :)

[NJblue]

As is commonplace in forums, the discussion ranges far beyond the question of the OP.

On the first page of this thread an erroneous assumption was made: " The multi-modal trails are private property and the local law enforcement officers do not have authority to give tickets - except if they see open alcohol containers or reckless driving."

It was in response to this incorrect statement that the discussion moved to law enforcement on private property regarding any other motorized vehicle designed to carry passengers, and the subject of golf carts developed in subsequent posts.

Glad to see you now agree that the OP asked about golf cart paths and not multi-modal paths. :)

But, it really doesn't matter does it? Whether he met one or the other or the third, the answer is all the same (sort of). There is no special limit on any of the paths (with the technicality that the paths shared with roads have an implied limit corresponding to that of the road).

[Topspinmo]

IMO the villages don't have multi-modal paths. They are golf cart paths which allow walker's, jogger's, and bicycles... A multi-modal path allows modes of personal transportation. The powers to be has very limited view on multi-modal IMO.

As for the speed limit and this has been raked over far too many times it 19.9 MPH the limit of all golf carts. If I modify my cart by installing different gearing, larger diameter tires, or changing the electronics' to make the cart go faster than 19.9 MPH I now have modified golf cart which requires same Safety features as LSV for what I have read through the many post on this subject...

One thing that I find interesting Classified ADDs of used carts are all the extra modifications that have been done hence "FAST" in the classified add. We all like FAST. Just not when we got caught!:sing:

[Carl in Tampa]

:22yikes:But, it really doesn't matter does it? Whether he met one or the other or the third, the answer is all the same (sort of). There is no special limit on any of the paths (with the technicality that the paths shared with roads have an implied limit corresponding to that of the road).

Actually, none of the entire discussion really matters much. Going back to the original question, I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for going 2 mph over the speed limit, where there is a posted limit, have you?

I'm kind of housebound, recovering from extensive spine surgery, so I'm spending more time than usual on "social media." Otherwise I would be out running around rather than being so involved in these exchanges of opinions.

For now, you will probably see me posting quite a bit.

:wave:

[shankerman]

20 mph seems fine if you're an old lady, However, if you're stuck behind someone in a smelly gas cart driving 20 mph, it's pure agony.

[buggyone]

20 mph seems fine if you're an old lady, However, if you're stuck behind someone in a smelly gas cart driving 20 mph, it's pure agony.

Then pass the cart that is doing 20 mph. If you do it on a public roadway, you can get cited by the police if they are around and you will pay a hefty fine. If you pass someone on the multi-modal trail at a speed higher than 20 mph, chances are that you have no problem - unless you do it unsafely and cause an accident. If you pass unsafely and cause an accident while going faster than 20 mph, you will have a huge problem. You will most likely be sued and your insurance company will not pay off since your cart was modified to go faster than 20 mph. You very likely will lose everything you have worked your whole life to achieve - but that is your choice, isn't it?

[The Buckeyes]

Yep, that is the fact. The multi-modal trails are private property and the local law enforcement officers do not have authority to give tickets - except if they see open alcohol containers or reckless driving.

Personally, I believe volunteers of Seniors vs Crime should be given radar guns and have the authority to give citations on the multi-modal trails for speeds over 20 mph.

radar guns and citations....good luck with that....are you serious?
:police:

[buggyone]

radar guns and citations....good luck with that....are you serious?
:police:

Am I serious about that? :1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

20 mph seems fine if you're an old lady, However, if you're stuck behind someone in a smelly gas cart driving 20 mph, it's pure agony.

Girls. Meet at my house at five tonight. The new super soakers are in.

[quirky3]

20 mph seems fine if you're an old lady, However, if you're stuck behind someone in a smelly gas cart driving 20 mph, it's pure agony.

For reference, see the following thread:
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/just-fun-109/worlds-1st-women-only-parking-lot-88629/

[Carl in Tampa]

Girls. Meet at my house at five tonight. The new super soakers are in.

:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot:

LOVE IT!

:mademyday:

[Villages PL]

ROCKETMAN
Senior Member

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 180
Smile No ticket
I asked several deputies and they all said the same thing. Reckless driving and alcohol they can enforce. But if your going 30 mph and not weaving in and out of traffic, nothing they can do. Same as stop signs in parking lots, just informational.

-------------------------------------------


This, again, from the speech referenced in the newsletter:

We have aggressively gone after golf carts running stop
signs and those who have rigged the golf cart
to do more speed than what the manufacturer
specification states that it is supposed to do.

A previous post quoted the definition of golf cart under Florida law as being limited to 20 mph. They DO write speeding tickets for exceeding the speed defined for golf carts.

Golf carts cannot legally go 30 mph.

Even Low Speed Vehicles (LSV) which are licensed and operate on the streets cannot legally go 30 mph. Florida Statute 320.01 says: (42) �Low-speed vehicle� means any four-wheeled electric vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 miles per hour but not greater than 25 miles per hour, including neighborhood electric vehicles.

Perhaps some deputies need to go back to school. Or you misunderstood or misquoted them.

Carl, I believe you are correct. Golf carts are not designed to go over 20 m.p.h.. And it has been stated by Villages authorities that the speed limit, in The Villages, is 20 m.p.h. unless otherwise posted. It can't be any clearer than that. If there's no speed limit sign, the speed limit is 20.

[Villages PL]

20 mph seems fine if you're an old lady, However, if you're stuck behind someone in a smelly gas cart driving 20 mph, it's pure agony.

What do you mean, "if you're an old lady"? Is there any other kind of lady in The Villages? However, whether it's an old man or old lady, you can avoid the smell by keeping your distance.

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[rubicon]

Nah, you changed your answer when it was pointed out that the OP was about golf cart paths, not multi-modal as you had erroneously stated.

However, let's find an area of agreement. I agree that virtually everyone calls the multi-modal paths "golf cart paths." That is what has added much confusion to this discussion. Language can be slippery, particularly since most people are imprecise in what they say. Apparently in your view the precise are "anal." :D

The fact remains that no matter where you are, if you have modified your golf cart so it can exceed 20 mph and are caught driving over 20 mph you can be cited.

On the other hand, for 2 mph over 20 seems to be an unlikely charge.

Hi Carl: I had two posts here. The first made the assumption that the OP was referring to multi-modal paths since it would unlikely that a cop would patrol a golf course cart path. so I didn't change anything only elaborated more given the continued dialogue with members

Secondly if it is an LSV or a cart modified to travel 25mph (the usual modification) and it travels in excess of the suggested speed limit on multi-modal paths then it isn't an issue unless or until there is an accident. You can bet the police will investigate if there is injury and you can bet they will issue citations accordingly. Keep in mind that carts are pre-set to 19.6 mph unless someone desire a modification and hence the reference to 20mph on multi-modal paths.

Third the police have in the past issued golf cart owners citation, while driving on multi-modal paths, for driving an unauthorized vehicle, that is a vehicle which can exceed 19.6mph but which is not licensed.

It can get confusing with all the noise generated by us all.

Personal Best Regards:

[downeaster]

Then pass the cart that is doing 20 mph. If you do it on a public roadway, you can get cited by the police if they are around and you will pay a hefty fine. If you pass someone on the multi-modal trail at a speed higher than 20 mph, chances are that you have no problem - unless you do it unsafely and cause an accident. If you pass unsafely and cause an accident while going faster than 20 mph, you will have a huge problem. You will most likely be sued and your insurance company will not pay off since your cart was modified to go faster than 20 mph. You very likely will lose everything you have worked your whole life to achieve - but that is your choice, isn't it?

Buggyone is absolutely correct.

I might add, if you are involved in an accident regardless of whose fault, the first thing an adjuster is going to look for is signs of modification. Keep in mind the definition of a golf cart is:
"(22) �Golf cart� means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour."
The insurance company thought they were insuring a golf cart, not an unregistered vehicle. There is a very important clause in all insurance policies protecting the insurer in these situations.

Calling it a golf cart doesn't make it a golf cart and insurance companies are not in the habit of paying claims they don't have to pay.

[kincaiddb@embarqmail.com]

I don't understand the belief on this site that the multi modal paths are private property not subject to LE jurisdiction. Most run along the roadways. I personally would not trust what I read here as fact. I would ask the authorities. I'm no goody two shoes but wouldn't trust what someone states here. Just saying.

Multi model paths DO NOT run on the county roads or streets. You can be cited for ceretain offences on the MMP, but speeding isn't one of them. Just this morning the Sheriffs Dept was running a speed trap for golf carts on Baily Trail. Sitting at the pump station by Allamanda Golf Course. They were pulling carts over one after the other including me. I was on the street and wasn't breaking the speed limit. The officer said BOY I got you big time. Imagine his surpise when I asked him if he wanted to see my Lic. and reg.. Oh, do you have a Low Speed Veh? Yep, then go on. Didn't even check to see if I was ins. or notheing. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

[Carl in Tampa]

Hi Carl: I had two posts here. The first made the assumption that the OP was referring to multi-modal paths since it would unlikely that a cop would patrol a golf course cart path. so I didn't change anything only elaborated more given the continued dialogue with members

Secondly if it is an LSV or a cart modified to travel 25mph (the usual modification) and it travels in excess of the suggested speed limit on multi-modal paths then it isn't an issue unless or until there is an accident. You can bet the police will investigate if there is injury and you can bet they will issue citations accordingly. Keep in mind that carts are pre-set to 19.6 mph unless someone desire a modification and hence the reference to 20mph on multi-modal paths.

Third the police have in the past issued golf cart owners citation, while driving on multi-modal paths, for driving an unauthorized vehicle, that is a vehicle which can exceed 19.6mph but which is not licensed.

It can get confusing with all the noise generated by us all.

Personal Best Regards:

Reviewing the entire thread it seems to me that there are a lot more opinions than there are facts. It's a shame that more of the opinions don't cite any authority for what they think.

It reminds me of:

1. When Charlie Brown and Lucy were arguing and Charlie Brown asks, "Where do you get your facts?" and Lucy replies, "I just make them up."

2. "First get the facts, then distort them at your leisure." --- Mark Twain

3. "You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts." --- Daniel Patrick Monihan

It's been interesting. :icon_wink:

[er9027]

What�s wrong with this picture? We have 35 posts based on the OP which makes reference to the speed limit of golf carts being 20 mph, so �can�t we go 22 and not be subject to ticketing?�

Simply AND BOLDLY put, THE SPEED LIMIT FOR A GOLF CART IS 20 MPH. Anything beyond this is moot. Should there be any discussion from that point on?

This reminds me of my writing about the person complaining about getting a ticket in a school zone with the lights flashing because of being from out-of-state, without an iota of thought that it was that individual who chose to fly through the school zone.

Or the people who have said that Buena Vista Blvd �looks like� it was designed for speeds higher than 35 mph and so choose to drive faster. When ticketed, I supposed we�ll hear that �it�s the road�s fault!�

What part of �the speed limit for a golf cart is 20 mph� is incomprehensible?

Its as SIMPLE as that....Don't drive faster. If you want to go faster,,get in your car. If I see someone driving 30mph on a cart path...I'm heading for the side so I don't get run over.:shocked:

[Carl in Tampa]

Multi model paths DO NOT run on the county roads or streets. You can be cited for ceretain offences on the MMP, but speeding isn't one of them. Just this morning the Sheriffs Dept was running a speed trap for golf carts on Baily Trail. Sitting at the pump station by Allamanda Golf Course. They were pulling carts over one after the other including me. I was on the street and wasn't breaking the speed limit. The officer said BOY I got you big time. Imagine his surpise when I asked him if he wanted to see my Lic. and reg.. Oh, do you have a Low Speed Veh? Yep, then go on. Didn't even check to see if I was ins. or notheing. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

Your assertions make me wonder about the legal status of the "Diamond Lanes" that are on the streets. If, as you say, they are not MMPs then the police have full enforcement powers over them.

I don't think the separate lanes are always marked as diamond lanes within all of the villages.

I haven't seen a reference to diamond lanes in the official sources I've been researching, most notably the memo of District Counsel Valeria Fuchs regarding Multi-Modal Paths.

Of course there are signs that establish the speed limit in The Villages to 20 mph unless the street is otherwise marked. This probably covers about all of the residential streets within the individual villages.

However, on Morse the diamond lane is clearly marked to be used by carts and bicycles and has a posted speed limit of 20 mph while the limit for other traffic is higher. I'm guessing you are saying the police have full enforcement powers there. I'm also wondering if the 20 mph posting has the force of law by appearing in a legal statute or is simply a posting made by The Villages government, which has no enforcement power.

It's all just curiosity anyway. My golf cart has not been modified to exceed 20 mph.

I just enjoy the conversation. :)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

What�s wrong with this picture? We have 35 posts based on the OP which makes reference to the speed limit of golf carts being 20 mph, so �can�t we go 22 and not be subject to ticketing?�

Simply AND BOLDLY put, THE SPEED LIMIT FOR A GOLF CART IS 20 MPH. Anything beyond this is moot. Should there be any discussion from that point on?

This reminds me of my writing about the person complaining about getting a ticket in a school zone with the lights flashing because of being from out-of-state, without an iota of thought that it was that individual who chose to fly through the school zone.

Or the people who have said that Buena Vista Blvd �looks like� it was designed for speeds higher than 35 mph and so choose to drive faster. When ticketed, I supposed we�ll hear that �it�s the road�s fault!�

What part of �the speed limit for a golf cart is 20 mph� is incomprehensible?

Sorry, but where do you see anything simply and boldly put that the speed limit for golf carts is 20MPH.

First of all there are no speed limits for vehicles. There are speed limits for road. What the law says is that if a golf cart is capable of going 20mph or faster, they must have all of the same safety equipment as an automobile and must be registered and insured. There is nothing in that statement that says anything about speed limits on multi modal paths.
As far as I know LSVs capable of going up to 25 mph can use the multi modal paths. There are also scooters that have and engine of 49 CCs an smaller that can be registered for the street and are also allowed on the paths.
I have seen nothing that stipulates a speed limit on any of the multi modal paths.

[NECHFalcon68]

Here's a recent relevant thread...
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/speed-limit-enforcement-89653/

[deltaguy]

That's a fact Jack ! ! ! Lots of misinformation here, but not this.

Correct!

[Carl in Tampa]

Sorry, but where do you see anything simply and boldly put that the speed limit for golf carts is 20MPH.

First of all there are no speed limits for vehicles. There are speed limits for road. What the law says is that if a golf cart is capable of going 20mph or faster, they must have all of the same safety equipment as an automobile and must be registered and insured. There is nothing in that statement that says anything about speed limits on multi modal paths.
As far as I know LSVs capable of going up to 25 mph can use the multi modal paths. There are also scooters that have and engine of 49 CCs an smaller that can be registered for the street and are also allowed on the paths.
I have seen nothing that stipulates a speed limit on any of the multi modal paths.

Technically there are no speed limits for vehicles. As a practical matter there is a speed limit for golf carts. Florida Statute defines a golf cart as not capable of exceeding 20 mph. If you modify one to go faster it no longer is regarded as a golf cart.

IF you do the other things you list you MAY register it as a LSV. If you don't do those things you have an illegal motor vehicle and can be charged accordingly.

You are correct that LSVs are permitted to use the MMPs although they are registered motor vehicles. The 2010 legal opinion of the District Counsel pointed out that at the time the State and County Development Orders for retirement developments were written there was no statutory definition of LSVs. Accordingly, the District Counsel said that for the purpose of using the MMPs and the golf cart paths on the golf courses LSVs should be accorded the privileges of golf carts.

I'm interested in your statement that says that there are also scooters that have an engine of 49 CCs and smaller that can be registered for the street and are also allowed on the paths. Do you know where that is written down? It appears to contradict the District Counsel memo that says that motorcycles and mopeds are excluded from the MMPs. I find no reference to scooters.

The County police treat Segweys as bicycles and the District Counsel says that they are permitted on the MMPs. I've yet to see one out there.

Regarding speed limits being posted on MMPs, I do believe there is one. It is on the southbound path on Morse on the bridge to Lake Sumter Landing. There is a posted speed limit of 10 mph, that everyone seems to ignore.

The interesting discussion continues.................

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[rubicon]

Carl: You are spot on. I believe the police issue a citation when a golf cart is modified to go above 20mph as an unauthorized vehicle because it is not licensed or has insurance.

I also believe I am correct when saying that the police can moderate your speed while traveling in a diamond lane or on a street with such designation.

What I do not agree with is that an LSV should be allowed o multi-modal paths. However it does bode well for the argument that there is a speed limit on multi-modal paths. Hence if an LSV is exceeding 20mph then the driver is in violation.

I have seen scooters on the multi-modal paths.

I also have seen a segway

[Carl in Tampa]

Carl: You are spot on. I believe the police issue a citation when a golf cart is modified to go above 20mph as an unauthorized vehicle because it is not licensed or has insurance.

I also believe I am correct when saying that the police can moderate your speed while traveling in a diamond lane or on a street with such designation.

What I do not agree with is that an LSV should be allowed o multi-modal paths. However it does bode well for the argument that there is a speed limit on multi-modal paths. Hence if an LSV is exceeding 20mph then the driver is in violation.

I have seen scooters on the multi-modal paths.

I also have seen a segway

On a couple of occasions I've seen the powered wheelchairs (similar to Hoverounds) on the MMPs. Usually over near Freedom Pointe.

This makes me think that the Travelscoot might be legal on the MMPs. I have met one man in The Villages who had one. Take a look at Gallery - Best Mobility Scooters - The TravelScoot is the lightest and best mobility scooter or electric wheelchair in the world! It folds and unfolds as quick and easy as an umbrella, runs on Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) batteries and has legions of devoted (http://www.travelscoot.com/gallery_1.htm)

I'm surprised that I haven't seen more three wheel bicycles here. Due to my spine surgery I've (reluctantly) given up on the idea that I would ever ride a two wheel bike again. I've also taken my last horseback ride. We've all heard it: growing old is not for sissies.

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[DonH57]

The Travel Scoot is nice. My wife has one. Easy to transport and to travel with.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I can't say that I've ever seen it written down, but I've seen some scooters with a sign on the back that says "Path Legal" and I've heard it discussed, I believe, on this forum.

[Baileysmom]

As my husband (DonH) mentioned i have a Travel Scoot and love it. I don't use it much here because we now own a golf car and that is our favorite mode of transportation. If you are interested in trying it out Carl pm me and we can arrange it. On the latest TS blog a friend of mine posted that the new scoots now have reverse, no belt and the motor is in the rear left tire. We are traveling to NYC in a few weeks and I can't wait to use it there, it will make getting around so much easier.

[Golfingnut]

This gal (http://www.districtgov.org/community/Multi-Modal-Memo.pdf)needs to read TOTV because, based on some of the posts in this thread, she is putting out some bad info.

I never pass unless the cart, bike, walker ahead of me is going 15 MPH or less. I have been passed with carts going closer to 30 than they are 20.

[rubicon]

On a couple of occasions I've seen the powered wheelchairs (similar to Hoverounds) on the MMPs. Usually over near Freedom Pointe.

This makes me think that the Travelscoot might be legal on the MMPs. I have met one man in The Villages who had one. Take a look at Gallery - Best Mobility Scooters - The TravelScoot is the lightest and best mobility scooter or electric wheelchair in the world! It folds and unfolds as quick and easy as an umbrella, runs on Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) batteries and has legions of devoted (http://www.travelscoot.com/gallery_1.htm)

I'm surprised that I haven't seen more three wheel bicycles here. Due to my spine surgery I've (reluctantly) given up on the idea that I would ever ride a two wheel bike again. I've also taken my last horseback ride. We've all heard it: growing old is not for sissies.

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Carl in Tampa:

sorry to hear health condition places some restrictions on you. My daughter due to a minimal genetic defect had to give up long distance running, , etc due to lower back surgery She still works out but won't play golf do yoga or pilates any longer. Bummer

I have a friend who use to ride a motorcycle but after a few falls and the realization that age is not kind on the bones went to a scooter. he told me his can reach 85mph. so apparently there are scooters and then there are scooters?