Are You Carrying???

[dewilson58]

Are there many Villagers packing???.....Carrying Heat???....Walking around with a six-shooter?? Just wondering if there is much of the population is concealing. THANKS.

[billethkid]

you must be new to TOTV or are bored and are baiting right?????

Get ready:

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

btk

[dewilson58]

you must be new to TOTV or are bored and are baiting right?????

Get ready:

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

btk

Yes, Yes, Yes.

I take mine without butter.

[graciegirl]

I feel the area is well protected. Some do. Some don't. Nobody's business.

[OurHappyHome]

I think if anyone was they would be smart enough not to answer this. It seems like most people are drinking in the evening so that would not be a good time to have a gun on you. Maybe being more laid back is in order. This isn't Miami. Been there done that.

[dewilson58]

I think if anyone was they would be smart enough not to answer this. It seems like most people are drinking in the evening so that would not be a good time to have a gun on you. Maybe being more laid back is in order. This isn't Miami. Been there done that.

I agree. That is why I'm asking, just to get a feel for the environment. It doesn't take much to get a permit. So, just wondering.

[LndLocked]

.....

[redwitch]

Many in TV carry for various reasons. Sadly, some do drink and carry -- have heard of more than one incident where a gun was shown (holstered) in anger over parking or some other silly thing. Most who carry are very responsible and know the laws and happily abide by them.

[skip0358]

Only thing I carry is my Tervis Tumbler and it's not concealed.

[BobnBev]

I carry a TASER........does that shock you? :2excited:

[jblum315]

None of your business.

[kittygilchrist]

None of your business.

:agree: looking for unarmed homes to rob?

[Bogie Shooter]

Somebody please hijack this thread!barfbarf

[Gerald]

The only reason to carry a gun is because you think you will need to use it. Carrying one in the villages is plain silly and not needed. No it is not perfect in the villages but a gun LOL.......

[billethkid]

why do the police wear guns in TV?

btk

[ilovetv]

The only reason to carry a gun is because you think you will need to use it. Carrying one in the villages is plain silly and not needed. No it is not perfect in the villages but a gun LOL.......

Oh. So you know what all 100,000 of us "needs"??? You know what every woman who fled a rabid batterer boyfriend or husband "needs"?

The 2nd Amendment was put in place for individual citizens to decide their "need", not one person who makes a proclamation and mandate over others.

[graciegirl]

Somebody please hijack this thread!barfbarf

Done.

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[karostay]

For 41 years:2excited:

[rubicon]

Are there many Villagers packing???.....Carrying Heat???....Walking around with a six-shooter?? Just wondering if there is much of the population is concealing. THANKS.

Hi dwilson: I could be wrong but I don't believe people of retirement age respond well to terms like carrying heat, walking around with a six shooter.
They are more use to terms like early bird specials, free chick flick sandwich, 3% CPI increase in social security and stuff like that............



Personal Best Regards:

[dewilson58]

Hi dwilson: I could be wrong but I don't believe people of retirement age respond well to terms like carrying heat, walking around with a six shooter.
They are more use to terms like early bird specials, free chick flick sandwich, 3% CPI increase in social security and stuff like that............



Personal Best Regards:

:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[foxmeadow]

Are there many Villagers packing???.....Carrying Heat???....Walking around with a six-shooter?? Just wondering if there is much of the population is concealing. THANKS.

I carry...pepperspray. They not only ran out of vanilla ice cream, there was not pepperoni my table. I'll never be without.

[DougB]

Funny how the English language changes. Back in the 60s, "Are you carrying?" meant something completely different.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Funny how the English language changes. Back in the 60s, "Are you carrying?" meant something completely different.
Oh my that phrase use brings back memories.

[Villages PL]

Florida Update: Concealed Carry Permits Up, Violent Crime Down (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14859-florida-update-concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down)

[billethkid]

Florida Update: Concealed Carry Permits Up, Violent Crime Down (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14859-florida-update-concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down)

notable effect from gun ownership and facts about concelaed carry......5 "possible" infractions by permit holders out of 500,000 (one thousandth of one percent ) = insignificant and unworthy of any remarks.

btk

[kittygilchrist]

Funny how the English language changes. Back in the 60s, "Are you carrying?" meant something completely different.

yeah, dougb, "Did you swipe...?" used to mean did you steal...now it means did you pay...

[gomoho]

Nope we don't carry, but it's home and ready to meet you if you are a bad guy!!!
Assuming you get by the dogs.

[red tail]

ill bet that guy in new York wished he could have picked off a few bikers!!

[Madelaine Amee]

Somebody please hijack this thread!barfbarf

How about this ........... I'm carrying too much weight which I would dearly love to get rid of, and yes I am packing to leave on vacation ...........

Will that hijack it?:clap2:

[billethkid]

Somebody please hijack this thread!barfbarf

OK let's discuss the government shut down circus....
barf

barf

barf

[DougB]

OK let's discuss the government shut down circus....
barf

barf

barf

Send in the clowns

[Golfingnut]

If I did carry, I would give you my sincere promise that if I pull on you, it will not be in an effort to scare you.

:thumbup:

[Vinny]

The only reason to carry a gun is because you think you will need to use it. Carrying one in the villages is plain silly and not needed. No it is not perfect in the villages but a gun LOL.......

So safe like the assault in front of Red Sauce a week or two ago? The poor person who was chads and repeatedly attacked also thought he did not need a gun in TV.

[NIPAS K-9]

OHHHHHHHHHH excellent response............ thank you

[Pturner]

A mouse used to be a rodent. Windows let in fresh air. Gay used to mean merry.

Hijack over and out.

[buggyone]

So safe like the assault in front of Red Sauce a week or two ago? The poor person who was chads and repeatedly attacked also thought he did not need a gun in TV.

I missed whatever you are talking about. Please give full details. I do not understand what "who was chads" means.

[Steve & Deanna]

My God, should we be 'carrying' in TV? Personally, I may carry either a rum & Coke or a Manhattan down to Sumter Landing when we go out with friends down to the Square.

[Patty55]

I missed whatever you are talking about. Please give full details. I do not understand what "who was chads" means.

I don't get it either, anyone know the story.

[lovsthosebigdogs]

Not only do I not know what "who was chads" means but I don't even know what "carrying" meant in the 60s. Is this a new-old language I am going to have to learn like texting? Jeez, I never was good at the 4 years of French I had in school. I thought all that was behind me, now here we go all over again...

[DougB]

So safe like the assault in front of Red Sauce a week or two ago? The poor person who was chads and repeatedly attacked also thought he did not need a gun in TV.

This may belong in the "posting while I'm drunk" thread.

[buggyone]

Does anybody know to what incident in front of RedSauce that Vinny was referring in his post? He makes it sound as if there was an assault on someone that could have been stopped with a pistol. What happened?

[Skybo]

Does anybody know to what incident in front of RedSauce that Vinny was referring in his post? He makes it sound as if there was an assault on someone that could have been stopped with a pistol. What happened?

I seem to recall a fight/assault(?) near Red Sauce being discussed on here several months ago. Can't remember the details, but perhaps someone who is good at searching can find the thread.

[OldManTime]

I would like to buy one, more than anything making a statement that we are still a free nation, and have rights to carry.

[Barefoot]

So safe like the assault in front of Red Sauce a week or two ago? The poor person who was chads and repeatedly attacked also thought he did not need a gun in TV.

Vinny said this happened a week or two ago. :confused:

"the poor person who was chads" .... could that be chased? Fill in your own details and pass the rumor on!

[janmcn]

Statistics prove that suicides are much more numerous in states that have a large number of gun owners and guns. This is true in The Villages, as there was a rash of self-inflicted gun shot wounds about a year ago. Would these poor souls have hung themselves if guns were not available? Who knows?

[buggyone]

I would like to buy one, more than anything making a statement that we are still a free nation, and have rights to carry.

Lots of responsibility and possible liability goes with that. Look at what carrying a legal pistol cost George Zimmerman.

Do what you think is right but remember there can be unfortunate consequences.

[Shimpy]

Lots of responsibility and possible liability goes with that. Look at what carrying a legal pistol cost George Zimmerman.
.

What it DIDN'T cost George Zimmerman was his life.

[Microcodeboy]

Don't know how it is here but up north if you show it you have committed a crime. First lesson is do not show/unholster unless you intend to use and that means the critertia is clear... In 35 years, never showed it to anyone...

[billethkid]

responsible gun owners and especially those who carry know the rules and just do not "show".

It makes for a good tall tale or urban legend.

And like any statistical group there will be an odd ball.....in the gun owner/carrier statistical group that is a less than one percent unique idiot.

I always prefer to talk about the 95%++ that do things right and not glorify the isolated incident.

btk

[keithwand]

My wife has 2 38's and a gun in her purse.
:boom:

[kittygilchrist]

Statistics prove that suicides are much more numerous in states that have a large number of gun owners and guns. This is true in The Villages, as there was a rash of self-inflicted gun shot wounds about a year ago. Would these poor souls have hung themselves if guns were not available? Who knows?

When I was in college where intellectuals were interested in research, if someone quoted a source, they had to cite the source so people could actually look it up. Otherwise we'd all sound like my dear mother, who liked to empower her comments by saying, "Everybody knows..."
so, I am sorry janmcn, but your comment without a source has no juice.

[Villages PL]

I don't get it either, anyone know the story.

The story I remember reading in the Daily Sun is that two men got into an argument and one man followed the other to his car. The man got into his car.....well,.. he sat down with his feet still out the door. And the other man repeatedly slammed the door on the mans legs. That's all I remember.

[Bucco]

When I was in college where intellectuals were interested in research, if someone quoted a source, they had to cite the source so people could actually look it up. Otherwise we'd all sound like my dear mother, who liked to empower her comments by saying, "Everybody knows..."
so, I am sorry janmcn, but your comment without a source has no juice.

I am probably the last person you want to validate your concern, but for what it is worth....get used to it. Certain posters simply repeat what they are told...wherever with no credit given for something stated as a fact....drives me crazy,

In this case, the core statement has some truth, while the "everybody knows" part is incredibly ill informed. Most studies find that there is a correlation of sorts, but especially in seniors the causes are believed to be other things. It is a real leap to make the statement as given on here with zero credible back up.

From the Harvard School of Health...

Harvard School of Public Health » Harvard Injury Control Research Center » Suicide (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/)

I take more offense intellectually with the "rash" comment concerning The Villages....THAT is a very "rash" comment to make.

You will find that so many just post with no obligation to cite a source of information, thus folks are simply discussing rumors...not facts.

[janmcn]

When I was in college where intellectuals were interested in research, if someone quoted a source, they had to cite the source so people could actually look it up. Otherwise we'd all sound like my dear mother, who liked to empower her comments by saying, "Everybody knows..."
so, I am sorry janmcn, but your comment without a source has no juice.


Google 'suicide rates higher in states with more guns' and you will find 19,600,000 links. Here is just one of them, but you can take your pick of sources.


Harvard study finds a gun in the home increases risk of suicide - Science - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/09/06/harvard-study-finds-gun-the-home-increases-risk-suicide/Ab0CurEcKHhPm7clW9NIPO/blog.html)

[Bucco]

Google 'suicide rates higher in states with more guns' and you will find 19,600,000 links. Here is just one of them, but you can take your pick of sources.


Harvard study finds a gun in the home increases risk of suicide - Science - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/09/06/harvard-study-finds-gun-the-home-increases-risk-suicide/Ab0CurEcKHhPm7clW9NIPO/blog.html)

Any word on the RASH of suicides here in The Villages ?

I also think that Kitty's point was very valid...your post made me do some research beyond GOOGLE......and that is why I gave it some validation, BUT if you read all the report and reports, they also have caveats in them...one being the age thing. Had your post mentioned that it would have been received much different. Also to say "everybody knows" is a bit condescending......the report is pretty new and I doubt very much if "everybody knows" since it is less than a month old (I think)

[janmcn]

Any word on the RASH of suicides here in The Villages ?

I also think that Kitty's point was very valid...your post made me do some research beyond GOOGLE......and that is why I gave it some validation, BUT if you read all the report and reports, they also have caveats in them...one being the age thing. Had your post mentioned that it would have been received much different.


Just a few of the suicides are a man shot himself in Paradise Park last year. Another man shot himself at the Largo mail boxes. Since the Daily Sun doesn't report suicides, out of respect for the victim's family, the only mention of these self-inflicted deaths is on this forum.

And no, I didn't have time to read all 19,600,000 links on Google, but most posters on this forum are computer savy and can do their own research, if that interested.

[Villages PL]

About suicides in The Villages: A woman on my street took her own life by shooting herself in the head. I know because I was the one who discovered this situation. I was walking past her house and saw several newspapers in her driveway. No one answered the door but there were dogs in the house that started barking. I asked a neighbor to call community watch and community watch called the police. I walked around the house with the officer as we looked in the windows.

Anyway, eventually we saw her through the back bedroom window and she had shot herself in the head.

When I called the Daily Sun to tell them what had happened, they informed me that they do NOT do stories on suicides. They said it only encourages copycat suicides.

So, if it's true that there are a lot of suicides in The Villages, how would we know if it never gets reported?

I believe she would have killed her self even if she didn't have a gun. The officer said they found pills scattered on her night table.

[Bucco]

Just a few of the suicides are a man shot himself in Paradise Park last year. Another man shot himself at the Largo mail boxes. Since the Daily Sun doesn't report suicides, out of respect for the victim's family, the only mention of these self-inflicted deaths is on this forum.

And no, I didn't have time to read all 19,600,000 links on Google, but most posters on this forum are computer savy and can do their own research, if that interested.

Your sarcasm aside, thanks for the two suicides you mention. Just a note....I, just me, when someone says to me...."everybody knows" about anything, even sports.....and I don't and I consider myself an "everybody" it sends me off searching. It is usually a signal of someone reading the headline and no detail. And the detail of this report is quite interesting and thanks for at least mentioning it. The age factor is a big deal throughout the report.

I do not think a brand spanking new report dated the beginning of September of 2013 is out to "everybody" quite yet, and I...cannnot speak for anyone else....am very attentive to truth and context and thus always give links when I post information to validate it.

[buggyone]

The story I remember reading in the Daily Sun is that two men got into an argument and one man followed the other to his car. The man got into his car.....well,.. he sat down with his feet still out the door. And the other man repeatedly slammed the door on the mans legs. That's all I remember.

I remember that article. It did not make a lot of sense as reported.

It does sound alcohol fueled.

I find it hard to believe that Vinny thinks the man being hit with the car door on the legs should have drawn a pistol and shot the other guy.:shrug:

[kittygilchrist]

Google 'suicide rates higher in states with more guns' and you will find 19,600,000 links. Here is just one of them, but you can take your pick of sources.


Harvard study finds a gun in the home increases risk of suicide - Science - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/science/blogs/science-in-mind/2013/09/06/harvard-study-finds-gun-the-home-increases-risk-suicide/Ab0CurEcKHhPm7clW9NIPO/blog.html)

Firearms and Suicide in the United States: Is Risk Independent of Underlying Suicidal Behavior? (http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/178/6/946)
site of the actual study in a journal
"Our results support the hypothesis that firearms in the home impose suicide risk above and beyond the baseline risk and help explain why, year after year, several thousand more Americans die by suicide in states with higher than average household firearm ownership compared with states with lower than average firearm ownership."

I've lost a couple of friends this way. worth taking note of. thanks, janmcn.

[kittygilchrist]

Your sarcasm aside, thanks for the two suicides you mention. Just a note....I, just me, when someone says to me...."everybody knows" about anything, even sports.....and I don't and I consider myself an "everybody" it sends me off searching. It is usually a signal of someone reading the headline and no detail. And the detail of this report is quite interesting and thanks for at least mentioning it. The age factor is a big deal throughout the report.

I do not think a brand spanking new report dated the beginning of September of 2013 is out to "everybody" quite yet, and I...cannnot speak for anyone else....am very attentive to truth and context and thus always give links when I post information to validate it.

Bucco, if I could have your ear to give you a small bug, "everybody knows" is a way of saying "I have no idea if this is true"...

[buggyone]

Your sarcasm aside, thanks for the two suicides you mention. Just a note....I, just me, when someone says to me...."everybody knows" about anything, even sports.....and I don't and I consider myself an "everybody" it sends me off searching. It is usually a signal of someone reading the headline and no detail. And the detail of this report is quite interesting and thanks for at least mentioning it. The age factor is a big deal throughout the report.

I do not think a brand spanking new report dated the beginning of September of 2013 is out to "everybody" quite yet, and I...cannnot speak for anyone else....am very attentive to truth and context and thus always give links when I post information to validate it.

I think the "everyone knows" was put in by Kitty as an example of something her mother used to say which she used to illustrate research is a great tool.

I do not think Janmcn used "everyone knows" in her posts.

[Bucco]

I think the "everyone knows" was put in by Kitty as an example of something her mother used to say which she used to illustrate research is a great tool.

I do not think Janmcn used "everyone knows" in her posts.

You are absolutely correct, and I apologize to JANMCN and anyone else for the misquote....she said...

"Statistics prove that suicides are much more numerous in states that have a large number of gun owners and guns. This is true in The Villages, as there was a rash of self-inflicted gun shot wounds about a year ago. Would these poor souls have hung themselves if guns were not available? Who knows? "

I have even greater problems with "statistics prove" the way it was used because I read the report and it is not quite that conclusive. This report was used in a political forum on a discussion of gun control is why I knew a bit about it.......

my mother told me to back off when I should so I am backing off...as someone who relies on and believes in truth and context, I am sorry for the misquote. Will try hard not to have it happen again.

[Bucco]

From that Harvard report....

"We performed reviews of the academic literature on the effects of gun availability on suicide rates. The preponderance of current evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for youth suicide in the United States. The evidence that gun availability increases the suicide rates of adults is credible, but is currently less compelling. Most of the disaggregate findings of particular studies (e.g. handguns are more of a risk factor than long guns, guns stored unlocked pose a greater risk than guns stored locked) are suggestive but not yet well established."

Harvard School of Public Health » Harvard Injury Control Research Center » Suicide (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/)

It is a very interesting report but one which admits the lack of correlating facts to reach firm conclusions.

[Villages PL]

Whether people argue for or against guns, the assumption is made that suicide is always bad. No one ever argues (like they do in the food debate) for freedom of choice and for taking personal responsibility. Also, no one says, "we are all going to die eventually of something, so why worry about it?" It's strange how arguments change from one subject to another.

The Newtown shooter took his own life; that was an "acceptable" suicide. And there may be many other suicides that fall into the category of acceptable or understandable for one reason or another.

[Walt.]

Google 'suicide rates higher in states with more guns' and you will find 19,600,000 links...[/url]

Well... perhaps. It's also possible that people with suicidal intent, but without access to guns, just jump out of windows, take a load of pills, or crash their cars into oncoming traffic to get the job done.
Without a note it might be more difficult to determine with certainty that it was a suicide. How many suicides are declared "accidents" to spare the family from additional grief (and any shame/embarrassment they might feel)?

As for something having "no juice" because there are no links or reports cited... etc. etc. How about this "fact?" "Loads of sleazy people walking around in the Villages!! Lots of them have diseases!" I can cite "Leisureville" (an actual book!) so it must be true. ;D

[Carl in Tampa]

WARNING TO THE SQUEAMISH: THIS POST HAS GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF SUICIDES.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO AVOID IT.

At the inception of this thread I thought I would not participate. As a retired Secret Service Agent my response to all inquiries about whether or not I was carrying a gun has been, "I quit carrying a gun when I learned to kill with my bare hands." :D

In fact to this day I will not give a straight answer to that question to anyone other than a law enforcement officer. Paranoid? Forty years in law enforcement can make you "cautious" of even casual inquiries of this kind. :police:

I decided to jump in on the thread when I saw that the discussion had turned to suicide and in particular the claim that the suicide rate is higher where gun availability is higher.

First, just a word about the basis for my remarks. After my Secret Service career I had a second career as a deputy sheriff here in Florida. I was a detective in Organized Crime, a Tactical Flight Officer in the Aviation Unit and on a specialty team as a Hostage Negotiator.

Hostage Negotiators are involved in a number of "non-hostage" crisis situations, notably calls regarding suicidal individuals. My negotiations have involved talking potential jumpers down off of bridges and talking people armed with rifles or pistols into relinquishing their firearms and giving up. Virtually every call I responded to, including the jumper, involved someone who was armed. I never had a person with whom I negotiated go through with the suicide.

In order to qualify for this specialty required a great deal of classroom training, role playing training and an apprenticeship prior to becoming the lead negotiator.

What I am about to say comes from that training. I respectfully suggest that many of the intellectual studies that utilize statistics to demonstrate the correlation between a high incidence of suicide with the readily availability of firearms can be explained easily.

The fact is that firearms are one of the easiest and most efficient methods of suicide. So, yes, where there are more guns their use in suicides may be more prevalent. Where I think the intellectuals go wrong is in their implicit assumption that if guns were not available then the individuals would not commit suicide by some other means. I have seen suicides where the person hanged himself, ran a garden hose from his car tailpipe into his car, ran out into highway traffic to be struck by a car, drove into a bridge abutment at high speed and even menaced the police with a gun to compel them to shoot him; what is called "suicide by cop."

The methods that I have seen as most ineffective have been medication overdoses and cutting of wrists.

There are many other conclusions that are drawn from statistics that I don't believe are justified by the statistics, but are reflective of the anti-gun bias of the person drawing the conclusions. But, I've already gone long here, so I'll close.

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Never pick a fight with an old man. He knows he can't whip you so he will have to shoot you.

P.S. There are several retired Secret Service agents in our area.

[Bucco]

WARNING TO THE SQUEAMISH: THIS POST HAS GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF SUICIDES. YOU MIGHT WANT TO AVOID IT.

At the inception of this thread I thought I would not participate. As a retired Secret Service Agent my response to all inquiries about whether or not I was carrying a gun has been, "I quit carrying a gun when I learned to kill with my bear hands." :D

In fact to this day I will not give a straight answer to that question to anyone other than a law enforcement officer. Paranoid? Forty years in law enforcement can make you "cautious" of even casual inquiries of this kind. :police:

I decided to jump in on the thread when I saw that the discussion had turned to suicide and in particular the claim that the suicide rate is higher where gun availability is higher.

First, just a word about the basis for my remarks. After my Secret Service career I had a second career as a deputy sheriff here in Florida. I was a detective in Organized Crime, a Tactical Flight Officer in the Aviation Unit and on a specialty team as a Hostage Negotiator.

Hostage Negotiators are involved in a number of "non-hostage" crisis situations, notably calls regarding suicidal individuals. My negotiations have involved talking potential jumpers down off of bridges and talking people armed with rifles or pistols into relinquishing their firearms and giving up. Virtually every call I responded to, including the jumper, involved someone who was armed. I never had a person with whom I negotiated go through with the suicide.

In order to qualify for this specialty required a great deal of classroom training, role playing training and an apprenticeship prior to becoming the lead negotiator.

What I am about to say comes from that training. I respectfully suggest that many of the intellectual studies that utilize statistics to demonstrate the correlation between a high incidence of suicide with the readily availability of firearms can be explained easily.

The fact is that firearms are one of the easiest and most efficient methods of suicide. So, yes, where there are more guns their use in suicides may be more prevalent. Where I think the intellectuals go wrong is in their implicit assumption that if guns were not available then the individuals would not commit suicide by some other means. I have seen suicides where the person hanged himself, ran a garden hose from his car tailpipe into his car, ran out into highway traffic to be struck by a car, drove into a bridge abutment at high speed and even menaced the police with a gun to compel them to shoot him; what is called "suicide by cop."

The methods that I have seen as most ineffective have been medication overdoses and cutting of wrists.

There are many other conclusions that are drawn from statistics that I don't believe are justified by the statistics, but are reflective of the anti-gun bias of the person drawing the conclusions. But, I've already gone long here, so I'll close.

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Never pick a fight with an old man. He knows he can't whip you so he will have to shoot you.

P.S. There are several retired Secret Service agents in our area.


Good post.

The initial statement on this, I think, was heard on a political show because the Harvard Report was immediately picked up and used for spin,BUT AS IS NORMAL, it is used totally out of context and driven solely by headlines that can be spoon fed to their loyal followers.

There, in the report, was also a reference to the fact that attempts at suicide using guns are usually successful,while those attempts using other means not so much which skewed the stats.

They also are very clear that there needs to be much more analysis,but of ores those political animals never mention that.

[buggyone]

I do not think it is wrong to say where pistols are most available, they will be the method of choice for suicide. Sounds pretty logical. Also, sounds logical that if a person is intent on killing themself, a person will do so with whatever mean is available.

The cutting of a wrist or taking several pills is usually a suicide gesture and is a cry for help. A gun to the head or jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge is a finality.

To quote stats is ridiculous. It is an acknowledged but worthless fact. Makes no difference if a person is serious, they will do it.

[kittygilchrist]

Carl, you've been around the block. Most everybody I see posting on totv hasn't been around a block.

[asianthree]

where i work classes to carry are offered every quarter...

[kittygilchrist]

where i work classes to carry are offered every quarter...
where do you work?

[asianthree]

I'd like a site where all the classes are listed,but where do mean for your work classes are posted?

you have take a class and pass before you can apply for permit to carry...classes are offered every three months and have a waiting list

[senior citizen]

..............

[buggyone]

you have take a class and pass before you can apply for permit to carry...classes are offered every three months and have a waiting list

Veterans can present their DD 214, pay the fees, and get their CCP. Does not matter when you got out of the military. No classes, no target shooting, just pay the fee.

[Carl in Tampa]

you have take a class and pass before you can apply for permit to carry...classes are offered every three months and have a waiting list

You can do a browser search and find nearby locations where Concealed Weapon Permit classes are given.

Also, the classes are offered at most gun shows. There are gun shows in Ocala and in Orlando periodically. Again, a browser search will help you locate one.

Since I do not know anyone giving the classes in this area I decided not to list links.

Strange as it may seem, Concealed Weapons Licenses are issued by the Florida Department of Agriculture. Review the requirements and procedures at their web site.
Florida Concealed Weapon License Application Information - Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Licensing/Consumer-Services/Concealed-Weapon-License)

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[Taltarzac725]

About suicides in The Villages: A woman on my street took her own life by shooting herself in the head. I know because I was the one who discovered this situation. I was walking past her house and saw several newspapers in her driveway. No one answered the door but there were dogs in the house that started barking. I asked a neighbor to call community watch and community watch called the police. I walked around the house with the officer as we looked in the windows.

Anyway, eventually we saw her through the back bedroom window and she had shot herself in the head.

When I called the Daily Sun to tell them what had happened, they informed me that they do NOT do stories on suicides. They said it only encourages copycat suicides.

So, if it's true that there are a lot of suicides in The Villages, how would we know if it never gets reported?

I believe she would have killed her self even if she didn't have a gun. The officer said they found pills scattered on her night table.

So sad to hear that, Villages PL.

As to those carrying concealed weapons in the Villages, they for the most part seem to have a very good reason for wanting to defend themselves. Either they have been the victims of stalkers, carry valuables, or some other such reason. It does seem to be a deterrent to some though if people are allowed to carry weapons that they are very well trained to use. I do believe that anyone carrying a legal concealed weapon should go through extensive training on how to use it as well as store it, clean it, and whatever other problems owning a firearm brings into play.