Lets have an honest, unemotional discussion about Hillary being our next prez.

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I will not vote for her. My guess is that she is likely to be our next president.

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Is that subject line even remotely possible? Maybe someone could explain why they'd want what you are suggesting to happen. Those who'd vote for MORE of what the Clinton's have to offer must have short memory syndrome! Just say NO! to more of the Same Old, Same Old. When it comes to political commentary, I agree with VK! :bigthumbsup:

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...that I recently adopted for a candidate for any federal office to get my vote. Those requirements were...
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Be the candidaqte with the least possible experience in Washington, DC. among those running for an office
And that I will never vote for any candidate for a second term in federal office
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While Hillary has only held elected office for a couple of years, she's been part of the Washington infrastructure for more than a decade, by my count. Disqualified for my vote.

Similarly, if we consider that she was part of the Clinton administration, she'll be running for a fourth term in office if she runs for President. Disqualified for my vote.

I'm hoping for a race between candidates like Obama and Bloomberg, Romney or Giluliani. None of them has ever been elected to federal office. Maybe they'd actually get something done in Washington rather than just spending all their time figuring out what their "base" wants and trying to get elected to a second term.

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Hillary would not be my first choice, but if she is nominated--depending who she runs against, she may have my vote. I agree with her on many issues. My first choice would be Barack Obama--that is at this moment in time.

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I will not vote for her. My guess is that she is likely to be our next president.

Surely you jest! :joke:
Don' even get me started on the reasons Hillary and Obama would be horrible Leaders :cus:
Any candidate who thinks we should "open discussion" with a terrorist and alienate our allies, to me is disastrous.
Trust me I don't want to be a Muslim by force (my knees are bad) :bow:
Please folks get real :chillout:
Handie

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How about a legitimate third party comprised of Blue Dog Democrats and Conservative Republicans? The two party system would be OK if we really did have two parties. What we have now is one big happy family of cousins who fight too much among themselves. They don't care what the neighbors (citizens) think; they just want to get their share of the pie. Our bridges and roads are crumbling and our borders are porous. Why? because our taxes are being used to rebuild other countries and our National Guard troops are guarding other nations. We live in a world that is so small now that isolation is NOT the answer. But it's HIGH time that other nations do their fair share along with Great Britain and the United States.

Not familiar with the Blue Dogs? Check out the website at www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/

Oh, and while you're there at the website check out how much YOU owe in our National budget deficit. Isn't it time to ask Congress to give us back the blank check we mistakenly gave to them?

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Well I've been embroiled in some blood boiling give and take on this thread, so I'll just add an additional two cents of my opinion. I would like to see both sides of the congress kicked out and sent home. This will surprise some of the readers. The current crop of politicos on both sides have only one objective and that's to get reelected. I believe this is at the root of the illegal immigration problem. Both sides are afraid of alienating the hispanic vote and will do nothing about the border because it might cost them some votes. Another pet peeve is the politician that changes his/her stripes because of the polls. There are some republicans who originally backed Bush and now that the media has us believing that's an unpopular stance, they switch their stance. I feel strongly that you either stand on principal or you don't. You don't check which way the wind is blowing and fly with the breeze. These people are on both sides of the aisle and they sicken me. I think Joe Lieberman stands tall in congress. He holds his principals and doesn't waver. The current crop of what I consider failures at what they were (I should say should have been) elected for politicize everything. Today, they're politicizing the bridge collapse in Minnesota. How disgusting. We're in a war that threatens us like no other war in our lifetimes, and the leader of the senate states the war is lost. Washington is a mess. Where is a politician who has the country's interst at heart? Can anyone name one? I think and I repeat I think Newt does, but I'm not sure. I don't believe any of the others do. It's a sad state of affairs.

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Will it really make any difference?

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...throw 'em all out and start over. That's the basis of my new personal rules, first to vote of the least experienced candidate and then never vote for him/her again (for a second term).

On that basis, maybe I'd like to see Michael Bloomberg get in the race and win. He's so rich he wouldn't have to accept any campaign contributions from anyone (and therefore not be beholden to any special interest). Unfortunately, for that reason he'd have every lobbyist in Washington throwing money to his opponent(s) to make sure they get someone in office that they could control.

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Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Gingrich, Thompson, Guiliani, Romney.....

For me the concern is not who's going to be president, but who are going to be the 7,000+ political appointees who will fill every position from Secretary of State to assistant-anything within the Federal (whatever) Commission.

If you really want a shock, google the term "Plum Book" to see where all of these positions are. The President, winning party, and a bunch "select" folk will determine who actually is involved in the day-to-day activities of all levels of federal government - and the qualifications for a large number of these folk to hold these positions seems in direct proportion to the number of hours committed to the winning campaign or monetary contribution to the party or both.

So, I'm hoping the day will come a Presidential candidate will have the guts to state DURING THE CAMPAIGN who s/he plans to appoint to the key positions listed in the Plum Book. That action would really demonstrate which promises will be kept, which platform planks will be followed, and what kind of administration will actually happen. Until that time, I keep my eyes on who supports whom, because that's the only way I can have an idea who will be in the key government positions after the inauguration.

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Embryonic Stem Cell Research is an extremely important issue as far as I am concerned. I would find it extremely difficult to vote for a candidate who did not support this. I have respect for those who disagree, but would not like them stopping research for the rest of us.

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Disagree. I think the government SHOULD pay for this research.

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Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Gingrich, Thompson, Guiliani, Romney.....

For me the concern is not who's going to be president, but who are going to be the 7,000+ political appointees who will fill every position from Secretary of State to assistant-anything within the Federal (whatever) Commission.

If you really want a shock, google the term "Plum Book" to see where all of these positions are. The President, winning party, and a bunch "select" folk will determine who actually is involved in the day-to-day activities of all levels of federal government - and the qualifications for a large number of these folk to hold these positions seems in direct proportion to the number of hours committed to the winning campaign or monetary contribution to the party or both.

So, I'm hoping the day will come a Presidential candidate will have the guts to state DURING THE CAMPAIGN who s/he plans to appoint to the key positions listed in the Plum Book. That action would really demonstrate which promises will be kept, which platform planks will be followed, and what kind of administration will actually happen. Until that time, I keep my eyes on who supports whom, because that's the only way I can have an idea who will be in the key government positions after the inauguration.


WELL... The current IDIOT in charge has really made a lot of BAD choices... I think Obahma might just be a change agent ... GOD KNOWS who ever is elected is a million times better than who is running our country ( CHENEY / BUSH and of course the Supreme Conservative Court).

SEE YOU ALL AT THE POLLS.. no chads or supreme court this time...

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You get Hillary, you get Bill again, :yikes: I really don't want that, do you.

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You get Hillary, you get Bill again, :yikes: I really don't want that, do you.


YES I would love to have a budget surplus, Health Care, and someone who can articulate well.

Bill Clinton only screwed one person... BUSH has screwed us all and continues to do so.

BIG business CEO's CONTINUE TO MAKE huge sums of money from the benefits of the Republicans and BUSH and his Cronies.. Were in a war we can't win.. Gas is $3 , the dollar is sliding fast, China owns a lot of our debt, the trade deficit SUCKS, 40 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE NO INSURANCE, the pharmaceutical companies have blocked all attempts to lower drug cost, our legislators are getting rich from lobbyist, and were are going down the tubes, were losing more and more jobs... YOU BETCHA I WANT A CHANGE....

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That's it keep drinking the Liberal kool-aid. Don't think for yourselves, or show any regard for the world we're leaving our children and grandchildren go ahead and elected Hillary or even worse Obama. Your set pretty good why show any concern for anyone else. what a sad lot!

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Be careful of electing the "Tax and Spenders". The current Republican Party has totally forgotten fiscal responsibility and the Democrats have never understood, at all. Again, the Blue Dog Democrats and Conservative Republicans get the picture. All this country needs is increases in personal and corporate taxes and we'll have a long-term Recession that won't be pretty. John Kennedy understood that lower taxes spurs economic growth and Ronald Reagan knew it, too. And, as we know, they were not of the same party.

http://www.house.gov/ross/BlueDogs/

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Those that blame Bush for all that's wrong with the world have selective memories. Eisner was making 50 million plus a year while slick willie was president. Check the facts folks, obscene executive pay had been around a lot longer than George has. Now, let's hear about these bad choices. Are we talking about Iraq? The dems voted for it too based on the WORLD WIDE intelligence. You libs are upset at the supreme court for it's decision on Bush? Obviously you don't remember what the decision was or is it you get all your info from the main stream media who's been trying to destroy Bush since the decision by the court, even before inauguration. The decision was....... the dems would have to recount all Florida precincts, not just the 3 heavily democratic ones that Gore and his boys wanted to recount. Sounds immensely fair. Bush was painted as a dummy but he outshone Kerry at Yale. Doesn't sound like that would have been too hard. The libs and their media have lost their minds over Bush. They blame him for everything including when they run out of toilet paper in their bathrooms. For God sakes, there are some insane libs blaming Bush on the media for the bridge collapse. The liberal drivel is nothing more than a bunch of emotional baseless garbage. State the facts folks.

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Hello Oshunluva,

You are absolutely correct that this President has made our economy as strong as it is due to the tax cuts he pushed through early in his administration. If not for those cuts, our Nation would not be enjoying what is considered full employment. That is why it is so important that tax increases are not part of the next administration. Recession and layoffs will be a reality and certainty for sure. Keep in mind, though, that along with tax cuts the need for fiscal restraint is imperative. We cannot have lower taxes and higher spending. The two just don't compute. Blue Dog Democrats AND Conservative Republicans stand for fiscal responsibility. I'm afraid, though, that the old-school SPENDERS will be in charge soon and ...

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I heard on the news up here in Ga. an interview with Sam Nunn (ex senator) He didn't say he was considering a 3rd party run but he didn't rule it out either. We need to support the Fair Tax, at present it has (i believe)70 co-signers in the house. If the fair tax could be passed even the Dem's couldn't screw up. Check it out
www.Fairtax.org

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Sam Nunn is one of a few dems I acually like.

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As I recall, the current admin was in favor of a tax cut, which took place, and the Dummycraps have never let Bush live it down. ::) The economy is in good shape, despite what some might say. The way they have done this President is a total ROTTEN shame. They haven't let the man have a moments rest or tried to understand him in any way, shape or form. :redface: They planned this treatment plan during the 2000 election and haven't let up since. If I had been down-graded and ****ed on like he has, I would be blundering in public too, self-esteem means a lot when you have decisions to make and others to think about. Give the guy a break for crying out loud!! He is not a friend of mine, nor do I agree with everything he has done, or not done, but he is The President and he and his office should be given more respect. The people who would disrespect him and Vice President Cheney the way they do would disrespect their Mother. Nuff sed. :)


SORRY.....

YOU EARN RESPECT.

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You can't EARN respect when the media has been undermining the administration from the get go. The Europeans were calling Bush cowboy before the inauguration. Where did they get that. From the media here. I was in Italy last October and had CNN on for English language news and there was some idiot from the US stating that the reason the N. Koreans developed a nuke was because Cheney wouldn't talk to them so they got mad and developed their nukes!! I'm not fabricating this. This is an example of the garbage spread throughout the US by the media. Bush is one of very few politicians who stands on his principals. His approval rating is very low (31%) but compared to the current congress (3%), he's doing comparatively great. I don't agree with a lot of things he's done but I respect him for standing firm to the enemy even while under fir from the second war front, the democratic party and the media. Here we are fighting an insane enemy and the wonderful New York Times publishes intelligence secrets. The leader of the senate the wonderful Harry Reid announces the war is lost. Unbelievable.

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Well said Oshunluva.

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YOU DO NOT EARN RESPECT... by claiming executive privilege on every thing that goes on in the White House, You don't get respect when you commute a sentence for perjury of you own staff, you don't get respect for exposing a CIA to get revenge for telling like it is... when you classify everything from the breakfast menu to who visited your office

:hot:Whew !!!! I tired ...too much to expound about and the list goes on

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Looks to me that the heading of this original posting has gone the way of the do-do bird...

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Executive privilege hasn't been claimed for anything that the dems haven't claimed it for before. Only bad when Bush does it. Bush didn't commute Libby's conviction, he pardoned the prison sentence only, which was a farce. Plame was not a covert agent. Libby did not out her nor did Cheney. Armitage did and that was known by Fitzgerald before he began the witch hunt. The fact she worked for the CIA was public knowledge among the DC social circuit. And Wilson had been shown to have lied about his statements regarding the intelligence that Bush had at the time. Furthermore, go back and read my previous post about Clinton's commutations, over 130 of them for felons, thieves, drug kingpins, and terrorists, some of which were done to secure votes for Hillary.. Again, only bad when Bush does it. How about firing federal prosecutors, score; Clinton 92, Bush 9, only bad when Bush does it. All this screaming about Bush has gotten very old. The media doesn't mention the fact that the dems haven't done anything since taking over with their heartwarming promises of bipartisonship besides increasing the minimum wage is launching witch hunt after witch hunt to destroy Bush. The approval rating of congress (3%) may be on the high side.

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Bill was far from perfect, but who is? I would vote for Hillary because her husband with whom she works closely left us with O national debt. He tried to put through a national health plan, but was stopped by the AMA and other big money interests. During his 8 years no american soldier died in combat. He did not try to circumvent the constitution like Cheney and Bush are constantly doing. He did not invade a country that was absolutly no threat to us. Bush/Cheney have done nothing but lie to the American people and start a war to further their own interests. A war that is unwinable and as of now has gone on longer than WW2. Bush/Cheney have created a mess that will take generations to live down.

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PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR LOWER REGION if you can. Have you ever heard of Samaria, where Clinton forced the military to run after a few losses or Hadi or in the former Romania no military losses. You don't know up from down. At least we're now fighting for a just cause stopping the Radial Muslims there instead of fighting them here. We lost about 3600 troops to date, and it's awful to loss even one; however each year the military losses more people in training exercises then is lost per year fighting this war. National heathcare will bankurge our country. people should be responsible for there own actions. Please think for a change think about our contry and what a vote for the Dem's do to our grandchildren, but of course most Dem's only think of themselves and to H... with everyone else as long as the Dem's maintain power. Keep looking up to the leadership of that great human being (Teddy, leave the driving to me, Kennedy. You Dem's are sicking, selfish,and traitorous. Iknow that some Liberal will try to have some lame comeback but anyone knows that Dem's lie about everything.

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Bill was far from perfect, but who is? I would vote for Hillary because her husband with whom she works closely left us with O national debt. He tried to put through a national health plan, but was stopped by the AMA and other big money interests. During his 8 years no american soldier died in combat. He did not try to circumvent the constitution like Cheney and Bush are constantly doing. He did not invade a country that was absolutly no threat to us. Bush/Cheney have done nothing but lie to the American people and start a war to further their own interests. A war that is unwinable and as of now has gone on longer than WW2. Bush/Cheney have created a mess that will take generations to live down.

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Hey Buc,

Are Radial Muslims the special kind of tires needed for the golf cars at the Villages?

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I don't think we should be voting for our next President based on the actions of the current administration nor past administrations. We should be looking at the character, experience and platforms of the various candidates running in 2008. I think the original point of this discussion thread was to debate Hillary's candidacy versus the others that are running for the office. Every President makes on the job errors in judgement only to be revealed often only after the fact. Further, deep rooted character flaws are also revealed during office right along with any stellar character traits they may possess that were unknown prior to the office being held. Our duty is to identify these flaws and good qualities and evaluate the candidates agendas the best we can with the limited information that we have prior to election day. If we keep the debate there, instead of ridiculing, blaming and blindly taking party sides, we all may benefit. My take on this process is simple. A good President must possess both liberal and conservative qualities and these are not limited to one side of the aisle or the other. In the liberal camp, our President must keep an eye toward the future, be open to progressive social reform when necessary and invest in social programs that have true measurable benefit, interact and negotiate with international leaders with refined diplomacy toward the global good etc. In the conservative camp, our President must have the restraint to make social changes slowly and cautiously, and look back often to learn about what worked best and what didn't and why. President's in both camps must moderate our resources, economy, foriegn trade etc and enlist (as is done now) the brightest, most knowlegeable experts in the fields for consult and decision making. On matters of defense, we must fight and eliminate all threats to our freedom and way of life and assist those whom we call our allies toward the same end. If our best military generals advise our civilian leaders to take the fight to our enemies, so be it, and the President takes full brunt of the decision......but a decision must be made. And in todays world, inaction may be worse than taking action be it right or wrong. So, who do we choose to steer the course? Let's evaluate Hillary's qualities, good and bad, to see how she would measure-up. One criteria I would not use as a measure of potential performance.....I would not cast my vote on the basis of who a potential President was/is married to or on the basis of other kinds relationships. They should be evaluted on their own merit, skills, character, platform and most importantly experience and demonstrated judicious use of power.

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Good points stated twice. So there's a brief answer: "They call her Cleopatra Cause She's Queen Of DeNile. I don't think that's a good trait in a candidate for rhe president of the US. That is the complaint about the one we already have!!

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A little sucker punch.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa54/Johnzuc/baby_punch_hillary.jpg

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From www.unity08.com website the following tells it all.

The latest GWU Battleground Poll (from Lake Research and the Tarrance Group) tells us lots that we've heard before: 70% of the people think the country is on the wrong track; 57% disapprove of the job the Republican president is doing; 52% disapprove of the job the Democrats are doing in Congress.

But they went further. Asked which of these qualities is the most important in a Member of Congress, 32% said "strength of values and convictions" and twice as many, 64%, said "willingness to find practical workable solutions." 93% said Washington lawmakers put partisan politics ahead of the people, and an astonishing 71% say that of their very own Member of Congress.

No wonder that a plurality of Americans felt that in the future their children will be "worse off" than they are right now. That is an amazing finding in a country where our optimism is supposed to be the hallmark!

What it says is that the people don't expect the politicians in either party to lead. That leaves it up to the people. Only the people can lead us out of this mess, starting now, starting here – literally, starting here, at Unity08.com. This is your site. This is your country.

I really believe things can be different if we get involved and take our Government back from the Washington career politicians, lobbyists and special interest groups.

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She's going to have a hard time getting any stains on blue dresses is something she has going for her. I do not know about Bill though keeping it decent while his wife is in office as President of the United States. That's going to be real temptation for him given his prior history of various sexual dalliances.

She also has a lot of experience at the presidential level given the appearance that they have often acted as a team in the political affairs of the Clintons. Not so much the personal affairs, one hopes.

She would make a good President when compared and contrasted to George W. Bush and his father as well as even to Bill Clinton. She certainly does not have the charism though of someone like one of the Kennedys like Robert and John F. She sort of even pales in comparison to Obama even if Mr. Obama seems like he needs a lot more seasoning before he would be ready for the Oval Office.

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If only Bill Clinton had taken out BinLaden when our intelligence had him in their sights, But instead Bill decided not to do it. Had he made the decision to have him eliminated then JUST PERHAPS we might not have needed to take the action Bush has taken to keep us secure.

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Chelsea and the Soldier-
Chelsea Clinton was departing her plane at the airport and came upon a soldier and proceeded to talk to him. She asked him where he had been, to which he replied "Baghdad". She praised him for what he had done for the
country and asked "Were you scared?"

He replied, "No, but I am scared about what I am facing as I return to the
United States." Chelsea asked, "What are you afraid of as you return to the
United States?"

He looked seriously at her and said "I am afraid of three things:
"Osama, Obama and Yomama."

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Watched Hannity last night who was interviewing Romney. The clear understanding I got was that if the republican party act like true republicans, with health-care, a strong defense, abortion, economic strategies most agree on and other issues that the party always stands for will not have a problem gaining the white house. That in order for Hillary to get in she must act like a republican making promises she will never keep just to make it. Even a former candidate for VP Joe Lieberman is determined to vote for the right person not Hillary and not a Democrat.

He fears what will happen with his Israel after we pull out of IRAQ. Since it's our best interests down the line to
make sure that Israel remains our allie, and that we have a presence in the middle east. We need a strong one to keep these idiots from our homeland and keep us safe.

Personally I do not want another BUSH, or Clinton in the White-house. What I do want is a changing of the guard. Someone who's bright and a step above the rest.

These persons are Romney, Giuliani, and any Democrat that can show a history of voting with these issues. (That will never happen).

I can only remember my father who passed several years ago who was a true Democrat that when it came time to vote for the US Congress/Senate or White-house voted republican saying it's nice to have DEM'S in local government for the free programs but if you want to keep your jobs and take home a paycheck each week vote for the other guy.

Finally remember Ronnie Reagan who stopped the cold war and brought down the wall. Who's ideas helped make us stronger and sparked the economy giving Clinton the opportunity to get the credit.

I would love to see a woman in the white-house eventually, but please lets not make it Slick Willies wife.

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Bubbalarry: Good post... :bigthumbsup:

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Watched Hannity last night who was interviewing Romney. The clear understanding I got was that if the republican party act like true republicans, with health-care, a strong defense, abortion, economic strategies most agree on and other issues that the party always stands for will not have a problem gaining the white house. That in order for Hillary to get in she must act like a republican making promises she will never keep just to make it. Even a former candidate for VP Joe Lieberman is determined to vote for the right person not Hillary and not a Democrat.

He fears what will happen with his Israel after we pull out of IRAQ. Since it's our best interests down the line to
make sure that Israel remains our allie, and that we have a presence in the middle east. We need a strong one to keep these idiots from our homeland and keep us safe.

Personally I do not want another BUSH, or Clinton in the White-house. What I do want is a changing of the guard. Someone who's bright and a step above the rest.

These persons are Romney, Giuliani, and any Democrat that can show a history of voting with these issues. (That will never happen).

I can only remember my father who passed several years ago who was a true Democrat that when it came time to vote for the US Congress/Senate or White-house voted republican saying it's nice to have DEM'S in local government for the free programs but if you want to keep your jobs and take home a paycheck each week vote for the other guy.

Finally remember Ronnie Reagan who stopped the cold war and brought down the wall. Who's ideas helped make us stronger and sparked the economy giving Clinton the opportunity to get the credit.

I would love to see a woman in the white-house eventually, but please lets not make it Slick Willies wife.


:agree: on the Clinton Bush flip flop... WE NEED A CHANGING NOT ONLY OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH BUT ALSO THE GOOD OLD BOYS. I THINK WE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER SERVED IF THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS COULS ONLY RUN FOR ONE 6 YEAR TERM.. NOT MORE GOOD OLE BOY PORK BARREL, SPEN HALF YOUR TIME CAMPAIGNING FOR THE NEXT TERM!!!!!!!!!!!

BY THE WAY GOOD ARTICLE IN USA TODAY.... http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-09-03-congressmrap_N.htm Democrats do care about defense

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I cannot remain calm over this discussion. We have a criminal mind for a president now who has raped the American public and those of you who dare to mock Hillary.

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I would like to know the 8 best things that the Clintons have done for this country.

Now I would like to know the best 7 things that the current Bush administration has done for this country.

The Clintons ran this country for 8 years and the current Bush administration has ran it for 7 years. I'm only asking for 1 thing for each year they were in office.

If you can't give me one good thing for each year that your people ran this country then don't knock the other person. I don't think either one has done a good job! Tell me how I'm wrong.

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ladykathleen, your comment is senseless and ridiculous.

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What disappoints me so much these days is the lack of statesmen in congress. In the past, policitics was also down and dirty but there was respect for opponents. Today's political climate is filled with hate and that is because there are so few people who are willing to stick to their principles.

Over the last several years. I have concluded that the only statesman, at least in the public eye, is Joe Lieberman. He would get my vote because I know he is honest, forthright and wouldn't violate my trust.

Oh, and I am a lifelong Republican.

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Do you want a nice guy or do you want a president !!!!!
Only one man so far has come up with a plan that this country desperatly needs , He also just happens to be the smartest man in politics today ...

and that man is NEWT GRINGRICH...

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Newt was the only one that gave a hoot where this country was going and would make a decision based on what's best for the country. It was very disappointing that he decided not to run, although the media would have killed him. Any body notice that the media is focused on republican candidates personal lives but doesn't touch the dems unless it's something good?

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Wow - so much for "honest, unemotional....."

After reading many of the posts, it seems like people are looking for a 4-year monarch and not the chief of the Executive Branch of our government. There seems to be a lot of condemning of presidents (present and past) without looking to the fact that the Legislative and Judical branches have (in many ways) much greater impact.

My civics book taught me that:
A. the Legislature makes the laws and then allocates how much in the way of resources the Executive Branch gets to administer and enforce the laws.
B. The Judical Branch provides interpretations of the laws when there are disputes on what was meant in the language of a statute or regulation.
C. The Executive Branch administers and enforces the law, utilizing the resources given to it by the electorate through the Legislative Branch.

As simple as all of that sounds, it really is the way it works - whether at the federal or state level.

So, are you looking for a monarch with a touch of charisma whose followers, like a royal court, become the ersatz dukes and duchesses running bureaucratic fiefdoms - or -
are you looking for someone who can handle the reins of a 3+ million employee establishment involving many diverse types of operations, and with the good sense to appoint a staff of professionals with REAL SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE to oversee these operations, instead of just repaying campaign service and contributions by dispensing titles and assigning governmental turf for exploitation? AND as a stockholder in this government-business, what sort of dividend or service do you expect to get from this chief executive?

I'm not convinced there is ANYONE in today's race - regardless of political party affiliation - who has such skills. What I've seen so far reminds me of old western movies where a huckster stands beside a painted wagon, BS'ing about how good his/her brand of snake oil is. The curricullum vitae I've read on these candidates are thin at best, and I haven't seen where any of them has the managerial experience of running/leading anything beyond a 20-person staff (and how well did they do that?).

The bottom line is - What qualifications do you expect a president to have? What do you think the job really is? AND if you had to personally sign the paycheck for this person and pay them from your own bank account (business or personal), what would you want for your money?

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I am planning to buy in TV and was afraid that I would find a nest of Liberals for whom I have no respect at all. From the comments on this forum I can see that there are only a couple, maybe three, misguided liberals. My opinion is that no one should serve more than 2 terms, no matter how good is he/she. Re-election is the root of all the evils in Washington DC.

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Hey Kahunna..I thought I was alone regarding wanting Michael Bloomberg...He doesnt need anybody..no one can buy him or any political favors..no lobbyist...he would be a TRUE representative for the people..He is his own person. Feels good to know someone out there shares my view...... :agree:

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Before you vote for Hillary, think about where our life savings will go....Income redistribution...that should be enough to make everyone think long and hard

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I am planning to buy in TV and was afraid that I would find a nest of Liberals for whom I have no respect at all. From the comments on this forum I can see that there are only a couple, maybe three, misguided liberals. My opinion is that no one should serve more than 2 terms, no matter how good is he/she. Re-election is the root of all the evils in Washington DC.

There's more than three...

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Bulberry, you are so right. It was Ronald Regan who straightened out our economy and Clinton took all the credit. And he left the country & office in a mess for the next in line to clean it up. Clinton was the one that gave our sovernty away. That is why we are loosing all our jobs to other countries. Thank the Clintons............

And... The only person he took out was Monica in her blue dress. It was months of a soap opera. How shameful.

Who would be good for this county? Arnold Swartzenagger. However, we would have to change our constitution...............he can't run..........but I bet he would be great.
Look at what he has done for California. All his work in California is gratus. Wow!

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I agree with you all, but you can not have an unemotional discussion about her. She is repulsive.

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I'm sorry, but I feel each of our candidates running for Presdient deserves our respect. Can't we discuss issues and not run our candidates down.

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Avista: Respect is something you have to win. We live with the consecuences of our actions. That said, i will not comment again on politics.

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I agree that the FEDS should at least partially underwrite STEM CELL RESEARCH//////
BUT HEY... the Chinese are well underway AND if they hit it .............our trade defecit
will SKYROCKET....(when our $$$ goes to China with our massive purchases of their
product) then we can de-value the U.S. currency even more to attempt to stay afloat
and sell our old fashioned products to the world.....WE HAVE BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS be involved in a world economy....It did not stop after the silk road led only to the UK.
WAKE UP AMERICA--------

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Who would be good for this county? Arnold Swartzenagger. However, we would have to change our constitution...............he can't run..........but I bet he would be great.
Look at what he has done for California. All his work in California is gratus. Wow!



You might want to ask Californians, especially those in Northern California what they think of Arnie baby and his cronies! He and they are doing an excellent job of selling off or, worse yet, giving away NoCal's natural resources to not only SoCal but also Nevada and Arizona. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of why you won't find a lot of love for Arnie in many parts of California.

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If only Bill Clinton had taken out BinLaden when our intelligence had him in their sights, But instead Bill decided not to do it. Had he made the decision to have him eliminated then JUST PERHAPS we might not have needed to take the action Bush has taken to keep us secure.
GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT THERE WAS A GOOD REASON WHY CLINTON COULD'T
TAKE OUT BIN LADEN WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE AND WHAT ACTION DID BUSH TAKE TO KEEP US SECURE THE WAR IN IRAQ AS PER ALAN GREENSPAN(EVER HEARD OF HIM)
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS ABOUT OIL AND NOTHING ELSE

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You might want to ask Californians, especially those in Northern California what they think of Arnie baby and his cronies! He and they are doing an excellent job of selling off or, worse yet, giving away NoCal's natural resources to not only SoCal but also Nevada and Arizona. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of why you won't find a lot of love for Arnie in many parts of California.




Details? Details? Water?

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GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT THERE WAS A GOOD REASON WHY CLINTON COULD'T
TAKE OUT BIN LADEN WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE AND WHAT ACTION DID BUSH TAKE TO KEEP US SECURE THE WAR IN IRAQ AS PER ALAN GREENSPAN(EVER HEARD OF HIM)
THE WAR IN IRAQ IS ABOUT OIL AND NOTHING ELSE


Item 1. Was there a GOOD reason why Bin Laden COULDN'T be taken out? I'd like to know that GOOD reason.

Item 2. The war in Iraq is not just about oil. It's about oil AND regional instability AND maybe....juuust maybe....som other stuff as well. Just take a look at the Manhatten skyline.....remember now? Terrorists are born somewhere....they are raised somewhere.....they are trained somewhere....they speak a common language....and practice a common religion. What region of the world could be a potential home? Afghanastan was first.....the U.S. had a GOOD reason to INVADE the country (see item one). Iraq was number two....the U.S. really didn't have a good reason to invade....so.....a reason was contrived....the country had a nut case for a leader who was thinking or developing BIG weapons and sitting on one of the largest world oil supplies (hmmm....lemme think about this in the context of our national AND world security). Who's number three? I don't know, but I suspect there's going to be a number three? Iran, Syria.....Saudi Arabia (don't delude yourself into believing that they're our allies). This is going to be a long long war.....and it's not limited to Iraq. All we at home can do is to hunker down and support the effort WHEREVER it is. This support is not to be confused with BLIND jingoism....which, I think, is not a good thing.

It may serve us well to remember Edmund Burke's quote, "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing". Think about this quote vis-a-vis this coming presidential election. Who, among the candidates, has the will and fortitude to continue to do something and continue the fight.....and who will float upon and make decisions based upon the drift of the political winds. When in the process of choosing our next President, thinking this way may help winnow the field of candidates a bit. It works for me.

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Item 1. Was there a GOOD reason why Bin Laden COULDN'T be taken out? I'd like to know that GOOD reason.

Item 2. The war in Iraq is not just about oil. It's about oil AND regional instability AND maybe....juuust maybe....som other stuff as well. Just take a look at the Manhatten skyline.....remember now? Terrorists are born somewhere....they are raised somewhere.....they are trained somewhere....they speak a common language....and practice a common religion. What region of the world could be a potential home? Afghanastan was first.....the U.S. had a GOOD reason to INVADE the country (see item one). Iraq was number two....the U.S. really didn't have a good reason to invade....so.....a reason was contrived....the country had a nut case for a leader who was thinking or developing BIG weapons and sitting on one of the largest world oil supplies (hmmm....lemme think about this in the context of our national AND world security). Who's number three? I don't know, but I suspect there's going to be a number three? Iran, Syria.....Saudi Arabia (don't delude yourself into believing that they're our allies). This is going to be a long long war.....and it's not limited to Iraq. All we at home can do is to hunker down and support the effort WHEREVER it is. This support is not to be confused with BLIND jingoism....which, I think, is not a good thing.

It may serve us well to remember Edmund Burke's quote, "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing". Think about this quote vis-a-vis this coming presidential election. Who, among the candidates, has the will and fortitude to continue to do something and continue the fight.....and who will float upon and make decisions based upon the drift of the political winds. When in the process of choosing our next President, thinking this way may help winnow the field of candidates a bit. It works for me.
GO TO THE HISTORY CHANNEL THEY DID A REPORT ON WHY WE MISSED THB CHANCE TO GET BINLADEN

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I watch the History Channel frequently.....it happens to be my favorite. I must have missed something. But, there must be other sources as well. I'm curious as to why a sitting President didn't eliminate or suppress an identified serious national threat when the opportunity was at hand. A political decision perhaps?

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bsliny, why keep it a secret?? Please tell us.

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bsliny, why keep it a secret?? Please tell us.
AS PER THE HISTORY CHANNEL PGM WE WERE ABOUT TO SEND A MISSLE INTO BIN LADENS LOCATION WHEN IT WAS NOTICED THAT A PLANE FROM SAUDIA ARABIA WAS TO CLOSE TO THE LOCATION AND IT WAS FEARED THAT MEMBERS OF THE ROYAL FAMILY MIGHT BE ON BOARD AND IF THEY WERE TAKEN OUT ALONG WITH BIN LADEN IT WOULD BE A REAL POLITICAL MESS LIKE I SAID IT WAS ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL AND FROM WHAT IV'E HEARD OR WHAT THEY TELL US WE NEVER GOT A SECOND CHANCE AT HIM
WHY I DON'T KNOW

PS I'M NOT VOTING FOR HILLARY

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Cruise missles are programmed for a very specific target on every launch. No way would it have hit the royal family's plane. No way. The missle is low flying to avoid radars and hugs the terrain enroute. The Saudi's plane had an altitude of what.....20K or 30K feet? Either you misunderstood or the History Channel is spouting BS. It shouldn' take a WAG to figure this one out. And by the way, why was the Saudi's plane in the area anyway? Weird. This doesn't pass my reality check.

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The Talk Host doesn't usually stir the pot on a posted topic....the forum does. There are other topics in the forum which may be more suited to your sensibilities. Those topics are but a mouse click away. There is no need to read that which you do not want to.

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Cruise missles are programmed for a very specific target on every launch. No way would it have hit the royal family's plane. No way. The missle is low flying to avoid radars and hugs the terrain enroute. The Saudi's plane had an altitude of what.....20K or 30K feet? Either you misunderstood or the History Channel is spouting BS. It shouldn' take a WAG to figure this one out. And by the way, why was the Saudi's plane in the area anyway? Weird. This doesn't pass my reality check. THEN CONTACT THE HISTORY CHANNEL AND TALK TO THEM
AND BY THE WAY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A MISSLE HITS A TARGET ARE YOU SAYING THE EXPLOSION IS LIMITTED TO JUST THE TARGET AND DOESN'T BLOW UP THINGS THAT MAYBE 5,10,20 OR 100 FEET AWAY THE PLANE WAS ON THE GROUND AND WHAT WAS BIN LADEN DOING IN THE AREA IS A BETTER QUESTION AND MOST INPORTANT WHAT PART OF BKLYN ARE YOU FROM

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Bay Ridge. Well, a 100 feet away you say? Bin Laden and the Saudi royal family were that close? I was thinking in terms of miles. Geez, ya think the royal family could have been radioed or something? Why was Bin Laden in the area? Beats me.......why is Bin Laden anywhere? Eventually, he'll be in a lot of places......at the same time....if you get my drift.

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WELL... The current IDIOT in charge has really made a lot of BAD choices... I think Obahma might just be a change agent ... GOD KNOWS who ever is elected is a million times better than who is running our country ( CHENEY / BUSH and of course the Supreme Conservative Court).

SEE YOU ALL AT THE POLLS.. no chads or supreme court this time...


uhhhhh....there wasn't any chads or supreme court last time.....that was two times ago....

Nice first post...welcome to the board.

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YES I would love to have a budget surplus, Health Care, and someone who can articulate well.

Bill Clinton only screwed one person... BUSH has screwed us all and continues to do so.

BIG business CEO's CONTINUE TO MAKE huge sums of money from the benefits of the Republicans and BUSH and his Cronies.. Were in a war we can't win.. Gas is $3 , the dollar is sliding fast, China owns a lot of our debt, the trade deficit SUCKS, 40 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE NO INSURANCE, the pharmaceutical companies have blocked all attempts to lower drug cost, our legislators are getting rich from lobbyist, and were are going down the tubes, were losing more and more jobs... YOU BETCHA I WANT A CHANGE....


Billy rode the coattails of the recovery that Papa Bush started 2 years before Billy got into office. Billy just had enough sense to leave things alone and copy Papa Bush's reforms and tax policies.

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If Hillary turns out to be the Democratic nominee I'll vote for her. I'd much rather see Edwards or Obama but the most critical thing is to rescue our country from the ignorance, arrogance and incompetence and corruption of the Republican party.

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That's what was done 8 years ago when we finally got Willie and Hilary Rotten out of the White House. Now we need to do it again. Makes you wonder how we continue to always elect idiots. And we will do it again. But the reason we end up with such poor leaders in this country is that good people refuse to run for public office because the media and the people who read and support the media focus on such insignificant nonsense. No one wants their history and the dumb things we have all done at one time or another spread out in front of the world. And you really have to question weather we are bright enough to elect good leaders.

EXAMPLES: Congress has an overall approval rating by the public of just 11%. That means that 89% of those polled (51,320) think that congress is really bad. Ask yourself how you would rate them. And yet the same idiots keep getting elected. Why????? It's because everyone thinks the elected person that represents them is doing a great job. It's those elected by the other dumb people in the other 49 states that is doing so badly. Why just look at all the great benefits and money that our congressman has brought back to "my" state. And look at all the "pork barrel" dumb $$$ that those other idiots are spending. Take social security. They will never fix it as long as they don't have to use it. They are not the dumb one's, we are. They put a different plan in place for themselves.

Until we all agree that congress represents none of us and keep thowing them out every 2 years until they get the message, we will get exactly what we deserve. Elected officials who are there for themselves, not for the people who vote for them.

Now I am sure this will get everone up in arms. ::)

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Any man who is under 30 and is not a liberal has no heart; and any man who is over 30 and not a conservative has no brains.

- Winston Churchill





Take a look at Winston Churchill's various political stands. This man stood for himself and often had views different from the party in power at the time.

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New Packers quarterback


In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB
for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified
to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett
while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became
familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely
comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of
Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes
the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and
50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or
State.
When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the
white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".

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If you want to get calibrated just review what Pelosi said she would do if she got the position....and since she has had it....zippo...zingo,,,and oh by the way with how many years experience.

If you put back in office those that are a part of the currently ineffective operating government, why does anybody believe for one single minute they will or can make changes.

When fixing corporate problems most fortune 500 companies do not reach into the existing organization....all they know is the way it works...good or bad.

Hillary and McCain are part of the establishment. Too many yaoweme's hanging out there.

We should all be looking for the candidate most likely having the ability to bring about what needs to be done. Politicians by their very nature and methodology are incapable of doing the right thing....where do you think the term politically correct came from.

Look for the person who is unafraid to do and say what is right and good for this country without worrying whose feathers the may rumple.

PC = licence to do what is not right!!!!

My $395 (two cents adjusted for political adjusted inflation).

BTK

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If she shares more of the same views on key issues that I have as we approach election day, then I will vote for her. I am looking for someone to deal with the real issues: global warming, working with the rest of the world, terrorism, national debt, healthcare and economy. I do not want to see us bogged down with the theory of evolution vs. the Bible, stopping stem cell research, and overturning Roe v. Wade.

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Speedy, I sort of agree with you. BUT as far as being bogged down with evolution, I think if a President does not believe in this, it degrades science which is so important for our students to learn. I am also a supporter of Stem Cell Research which also includes science. The Bully Pulpit is important.

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New Packers quarterback


In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB
for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified
to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett
while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became
familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely
comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of
Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes
the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and
50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or
State.
When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the
white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".


Amusing comparison Hancle704.

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l2ride above is talking about my favorite group....THE SILENT MAJORITY.
To add to the points made...elected officials are the ....REPRESENTATIVES....R-E-P-R-E-S-E-N-T-A-T-I-V-E-S........
and when they don't hear from anybody they do what they please....or I should say they do what they please because they know they aren't going to hear from anybody.

The majority does rule.....when it acts.....unfortunately that does,'t happen enough.
The SILENT MAJORITY gets what it deserves.....not much!!!

Hmmmmnnnn....I winder why big corporations and special interest groups get things done...well they have lobbyists and just step one inch over the line they have drawn in what ever sand box they are in and out they come like a swarm of bees....they get attention....they get results...because the REPRESENTATIVES know they will be upon them. They are all minoirity groups compared to the masses of of US Citizens.

Oh if we could only find the motivational magic to get 'em to stand up and be counted!!!!!!!!!


BTK

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[i] I believe we must:
End illegal immigration
Solve health care
Cut spending
Balance the budget
Get out of Iraq with advise from our generals.
Lower taxes on MIDDLE CLASS

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For you folks that are compaing Hillary to Deanna Favre, google Deanna Favre and you will be surprised. She has outperformed most people, including Brett. If Hillary can match her skills, she has my vote for sure.

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Really good back and forth, but.......George Bush is the man. He comes from good stock. 9-11 turned this world upside down. George Bush dealt with it. He stood on a mound of rubble and said I can here your pain. He took action. Al Gore and the democrats were still analizing chads. The man was in office one year and then 9-11. Let me tell you he and his leadership have done one hellava job with our economy. Any other nation would have folded like a lawn chair. I respect this administration I could never say that about Mr. Bill...........JohnnyM

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Sorry (I can hear your pain)........

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Why is it that we are more concerned about animals than humans???

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oshunluva: what does your caption (live while you are still alive) mean

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;D

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How can we have an unemotional discussion about Hillary when she can't speak without resorting to tears. What is she going to do when she has a potential world altering problem with Putkin, Cry? Maybe he could donate to her election campaign to cheer her up!!! PLEASE

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Dear Abby:

My husband is a liar and a cheat. He has cheated on me from the beginning,
and, when I confront him, he denies everything. What's worse, everyone knows
that he cheats on me. It is so humiliating.

Also,since he lost his job six years ago, he hasn't even looked for a new
one. All he does all day is smoke cigars, cruise around and bull**** with
his buddies while I have to work to pay the bills. Since our daughter went
away to college he doesn't even pretend to like me and hints that I may be a
lesbian. What should I do?

Signed: Clueless


Dear Clueless:

Grow up and dump him. Good grief, woman. You don't need him anymore! You're
a Senator from New York running for President of the United States.
Act like one.