Problems in Brownswood? - say it isn't so

[Hopeful2]

I just read today a disturbing report about Brownwood ...kids/teenagers running around in Brownwood in the evening ... acting less than appropriate and Villagers feeling less than safe in that area at night. Please say it isn't so.

[philnpat]

I just read today a disturbing report about Brownswoods ...kids/teenagers running around in Brownswoods in the evening ... acting less than appropriate and Villagers feeling less than safe in that area at night. Please say it isn't so.

We haven't encountered a problem. Where did you read that?

[ilovetv]

The police station is right there on the square. They're good and will keep things in order.

[manaboutown]

I'll bet that police station is located there by design and not chance!

[John_W]

Ever since the Florida Lottery held that event with the Flamingos performing last March at Paddock Square, we've kind of quit going to LSL and go to Paddock Square instead. If a movie is playing at Barnstorm we'll go to that theater first. The only time I've seen kids are going in and out of the theater, which is kind of the same thing at the other two theaters. Sometimes they hang around outside the theater. That's amount it, no big deal. Your info sounds bogus.

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[Warren Kiefer]

I just read today a disturbing report about Brownswoods ...kids/teenagers running around in Brownswoods in the evening ... acting less than appropriate and Villagers feeling less than safe in that area at night. Please say it isn't so.

This is one of my pet peeves. Someone hears something disturbing or perhaps someone reads a disturbing report that causes be to go tsk, tsk....
Remember where, what, when and who?? What report, written by who and when was it written and where was it published?? All I got from your post was what and it was not very specific.

[oldyeller]

That's it we are selling!

[Bexter]

I just read today a disturbing report about Brownswoods ...kids/teenagers running around in Brownswoods in the evening ... acting less than appropriate and Villagers feeling less than safe in that area at night. Please say it isn't so.
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The Wild Wild West

October 4, 2013 By Ryan Erisman

I was down in Brownwood the other day and I was kind of surprised how empty it is still. Don’t get me wrong, its going to be AWESOME when its done, and I know everything takes time, but I thought it would be a little further along than it actually is.

Until it does fill up, there are going to be some issues.

Interestingly on the very same day I went down to Brownwood a reader sent me this…

Can you give me your perspective on why The Villages allow a mob of teenagers to run wild through the square after dark?

Last Saturday my family came to visit us and we chose City Fire in Brownwood for dinner. From 8:30 to 10 pm we watched about a dozen kids run from across the street from the Sales office and the park bench next to City Fire. There were three police officers and a few Villages trucks patrolling but did nothing to move the kids out of the square. I viewed two of them trying to open the door of the Sales Office and one boy punch a girl in the head with his fist. The whole scene sickened me as this was my biggest concern moving to Brownwood last week.

I tracked down one officer and asked why he allowed these kids to roam freely in The Villages, supposedly an area for adults 55 and over. He said he couldn’t do anything about them yelling and running through the streets because it wasn’t a crime. When told about them trying the doors and the assault on the girl, he said he didn’t see it so he couldn’t do anything about it.

I feel like I made a big mistake buying near Brownwood and do not feel as safe as I was told by many people. If anyone can come into The Village’s Squares, what’s from stopping them from entering our homes?

Also this week, ************** reported that golf clubs valued at more than $2,000 were stolen from two golf carts Monday evening while the golf carts were parked at Evans Prairie Country Club, the newest and southernmost country club in The Villages.

It sounds very much like the Wild West in the south end of The Villages at this point.

Now of course it will get better as time goes on and Brownwood becomes more populated and established, but how long will that take and at what inconvenience to early residents?

[Bogie Shooter]

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The Wild Wild West

October 4, 2013 By Ryan Erisman

I was down in Brownwood the other day and I was kind of surprised how empty it is still. Don’t get me wrong, its going to be AWESOME when its done, and I know everything takes time, but I thought it would be a little further along than it actually is.

Until it does fill up, there are going to be some issues.

Interestingly on the very same day I went down to Brownwood a reader sent me this…

Can you give me your perspective on why The Villages allow a mob of teenagers to run wild through the square after dark?

Last Saturday my family came to visit us and we chose City Fire in Brownwood for dinner. From 8:30 to 10 pm we watched about a dozen kids run from across the street from the Sales office and the park bench next to City Fire. There were three police officers and a few Villages trucks patrolling but did nothing to move the kids out of the square. I viewed two of them trying to open the door of the Sales Office and one boy punch a girl in the head with his fist. The whole scene sickened me as this was my biggest concern moving to Brownwood last week.

I tracked down one officer and asked why he allowed these kids to roam freely in The Villages, supposedly an area for adults 55 and over. He said he couldn’t do anything about them yelling and running through the streets because it wasn’t a crime. When told about them trying the doors and the assault on the girl, he said he didn’t see it so he couldn’t do anything about it.

I feel like I made a big mistake buying near Brownwood and do not feel as safe as I was told by many people. If anyone can come into The Village’s Squares, what’s from stopping them from entering our homes?

Also this week, ************** reported that golf clubs valued at more than $2,000 were stolen from two golf carts Monday evening while the golf carts were parked at Evans Prairie Country Club, the newest and southernmost country club in The Villages.

It sounds very much like the Wild West in the south end of The Villages at this point.

Now of course it will get better as time goes on and Brownwood becomes more populated and established, but how long will that take and at what inconvenience to early residents?

Who is Ryan Erisman?

[claricecolin]

Who is Ryan Erisman?


Did a google search this is from a site called
thevillagesfloridabook.com/wildwildwest. When I tried to click to go to the website to see what it was my anti virus blocked it.

[rayschic]

Who is Ryan Erisman?

He wrote a book about the Villages and writes a monthly newsletter about the Villages. He does not live in the Villages.
Everything Smart Buyers Need to Know Before Moving to The Villages (http://www.thevillagesfloridabook.com/join-now/)

[buggyone]

He wrote a book about the Villages and writes a monthly newsletter about the Villages. He does not live in the Villages.
Everything Smart Buyers Need to Know Before Moving to The Villages (http://www.thevillagesfloridabook.com/join-now/)

Oh, an unbiased source! :22yikes:

[Bexter]

Who is Ryan Erisman?

He is author of "Complete Gude to The Villages". He presents a very fair, positive and realistic view of The Villages.

[senior citizen]

The Villages, Florida - Your Complete Guide (http://www.thevillagesfloridabook.com/)

Scroll downward to October 4.........
Click on "The Wild Wild West, etc" to read.......

[kittygilchrist]

really? I can't believe people have become so easily triggered.
sad....

[asianthree]

i need :popcorn:

[justjim]

Is this fiction or did this really happen is the question? If true or half true, I bet that the Developer will get a "handle" on the situation and soon. You don't invest the kind of $$$$$ as was invested in Brownwood and let a few teenagers scare off your customers.

[Bexter]

I bet that the Developer will get a "handle" on the situation and soon. You don't invest the kind of $$$$$ as was invested in Brownwood and let a few teenagers scare off your customers.

You are absolutely right.

[gerryann]

I don't get the problem. Some kids were running through the square....ok...kids do live here. Why can't they run around the squares? What did they do wrong?

[Indydealmaker]

I would not be put off by anything Erisman writes. I have his Guide and found it to be filled with stuff that most people know by the time they are 30. Little or no insight on The Villages.

[asianthree]

we were in brownwood the first night it was open..the theater had lots of people young and old everyone was in awe of the square..yep young teens and young adults milling around, but you see that in LSL and SS....the most scary part of the evening was the golf carts going as fast as they could to get to that parking space that was just opened up...so not worried about the young kids more worried about walking across the street...this may be a good thread to keep people from going to brownwood so they can get a table at world of beer...LOL

[manaboutown]

Who is Ryan Erisman?

He is a real estate agent and lives in Daytona Beach. He also wrote a book about Florida for Boomers and has a website for Arizona for boomers.

[Hopeful2]

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The Wild Wild West

October 4, 2013 By Ryan Erisman

I was down in Brownwood the other day and I was kind of surprised how empty it is still. Don’t get me wrong, its going to be AWESOME when its done, and I know everything takes time, but I thought it would be a little further along than it actually is.

Until it does fill up, there are going to be some issues.

Interestingly on the very same day I went down to Brownwood a reader sent me this…

Can you give me your perspective on why The Villages allow a mob of teenagers to run wild through the square after dark?

Last Saturday my family came to visit us and we chose City Fire in Brownwood for dinner. From 8:30 to 10 pm we watched about a dozen kids run from across the street from the Sales office and the park bench next to City Fire. There were three police officers and a few Villages trucks patrolling but did nothing to move the kids out of the square. I viewed two of them trying to open the door of the Sales Office and one boy punch a girl in the head with his fist. The whole scene sickened me as this was my biggest concern moving to Brownwood last week.

I tracked down one officer and asked why he allowed these kids to roam freely in The Villages, supposedly an area for adults 55 and over. He said he couldn’t do anything about them yelling and running through the streets because it wasn’t a crime. When told about them trying the doors and the assault on the girl, he said he didn’t see it so he couldn’t do anything about it.

I feel like I made a big mistake buying near Brownwood and do not feel as safe as I was told by many people. If anyone can come into The Village’s Squares, what’s from stopping them from entering our homes?

Also this week, ************** reported that golf clubs valued at more than $2,000 were stolen from two golf carts Monday evening while the golf carts were parked at Evans Prairie Country Club, the newest and southernmost country club in The Villages.

It sounds very much like the Wild West in the south end of The Villages at this point.

Now of course it will get better as time goes on and Brownwood becomes more populated and established, but how long will that take and at what inconvenience to early residents?

It was after reading Ryan Erisman's monthly newsletter today, that I became concerned. I indeed hoped that there was no validity to it and that was my reason for posting the thread ("...say it isn't so"). My husband and I are about to purchase a home just a stone's throw from Brownwood.

[sharoni]

Some members of our family were visiting and when they left the movie theater around 9:30, those same bunch of kids were running all over Brownwood AGAIN. So for those tho haven't seen this, only a matter of time...These were not small kids, they were late teen and early 20's and it was after everything was closed down. Not always, but normally that means they are up to no good! They are probably not anyone's Grandchildren, On a good note, there were police everywhere,

[ilovetv]

Some members of our family were visiting and when they left the movie theater, those same bunch of kids were running all over Brownwood AGAIN. So for those tho haven't seen this, only a matter of time...Anyone know where this bunch of black kids are coming from? Doesn't matter their color, just that they are disruptive and making us feel unsafe.

Trying to understand what seems "unsafe" about them. If they are threatening other people, or are nearly running over somebody, then it would be a problem. Not sure....

[DougB]

Some members of our family were visiting and when they left the movie theater, those same bunch of kids were running all over Brownwood AGAIN. So for those tho haven't seen this, only a matter of time...Anyone know where this bunch of black kids are coming from? Doesn't matter their color, just that they are disruptive and making us feel unsafe.

I guess you are lucky they aren't operating a meth lab like them old white dudes.

[Bogie Shooter]

Some members of our family were visiting and when they left the movie theater, those same bunch of kids were running all over Brownwood AGAIN. So for those tho haven't seen this, only a matter of time...Anyone know where this bunch of black kids are coming from? Doesn't matter their color, just that they are disruptive and making us feel unsafe.

Ah, it is finally said........................

[claricecolin]

Some members of our family were visiting and when they left the movie theater, those same bunch of kids were running all over Brownwood AGAIN. So for those tho haven't seen this, only a matter of time...Anyone know where this bunch of black kids are coming from? Doesn't matter their color, just that they are disruptive and making us feel unsafe.

What exactly are they doing? How are they being disruptive? What about their behavior makes you feel unsafe?

[Bogie Shooter]

It was after reading Ryan Erisman's monthly newsletter today, that I became concerned. I indeed hoped that there was no validity to it and that was my reason for posting the thread ("...say it isn't so"). My husband and I are about to purchase a home just a stone's throw from Brownwood.

That will be nice to live close to the square.

[Bogie Shooter]

He is a real estate agent and lives in Daytona Beach. He also wrote a book about Florida for Boomers and has a website for Arizona for boomers.

Ah, that makes him an expert.

[Barefoot]

It was after reading Ryan Erisman's monthly newsletter today, that I became concerned. I indeed hoped that there was no validity to it and that was my reason for posting the thread ("...say it isn't so"). My husband and I are about to purchase a home just a stone's throw from Brownwood.

The Village Squares are open to adults and teenagers who live outside The Villages. All three squares are open to "outsiders". If you are concerned about teenagers hanging around movie theaters and the town squares, it happens. If you are making life decisions based on Ryan Erisman's ridiculous monthly newsletters, then best of luck to you.

[buggyone]

Personally, I would choose to live further away from Wildwood and closer to the interior of The Villages.

[gerryann]

What exactly are they doing? How are they being disruptive? What about their behavior makes you feel unsafe?

Exactly.....

Do folks moving here seriously believe that only people over 55 live here?

[Happinow]

It doesn't matter which square you are at. Kids, teenagers and under age people who are running around with no real purpose aren't what we signed up for at The Villages. Some of us moved from this type of atmosphere to get away from it. Running around the squares serves no purpose except to be disruptive. Someone needs to get a handle on it right away before it becomes a playground. Word travels fast amongst kids that the squares are a place to go to play around. We want to go enjoy the squares without being afraid of a group of kids running about intimidating us. Even if no physical damage is done by kids, sometimes their behavior is damaging enough among elderly people. Let's not allow the squares to become an alternative to hanging out at a mall. No good can come from it. Yes, I know,they are public squares but I feel like we have paid for them and should be able to enjoy them.

[gerryann]

It doesn't matter which square you are at. Kids, teenagers and under age people who are running around with no real purpose aren't what we signed up for at The Villages. Some of us moved from this type of atmosphere to get away from it. Running around the squares serves no purpose except to be disruptive. Someone needs to get a handle on it right away before it becomes a playground. Word travels fast amongst kids that the squares are a place to go to play around. We want to go enjoy the squares without being afraid of a group of kids running about intimidating us. Even if no physical damage is done by kids, sometimes their behavior is damaging enough among elderly people. Let's not allow the squares to become an alternative to hanging out at a mall. No good can come from it. Yes, I know,they are public squares but I feel like we have paid for them and should be able to enjoy them.

Boy howdy........YIKES!!!!!

[Vernster]

Some members of our family were visiting and when they left the movie theater, those same bunch of kids were running all over Brownwood AGAIN. So for those tho haven't seen this, only a matter of time...Anyone know where this bunch of black kids are coming from? Doesn't matter their color, just that they are disruptive and making us feel unsafe.

If it "Doesn't matter their color" I would think there was no need to mention the color of their skin.

[billethkid]

there are always going to be some of the old farts who think TV is in fact for over 55s and anybody younger especially teens and as stated black teens make some feel unsafe.

The invitation was say it isn't so....well it is not. Brownwood is no different tha LSL or SS town centers. It wasn't that many months ago when someone here was complaining about the teens "hanging around" LSL and making them nervous.

Once agian not only the isolated incident being treated as a general condition but embellished by someone who has THEIR OWN specific idea what constitutes safety in the MIND.

Anybody who is a resident of TV and frequents the town centers and appreciates the fact there is more to the social profile of the TV than what they see in the mirror.

The majority of us beleive we live in one of the safest environments on the planet.......the minority exception is noted.

btk

[Hopeful2]

The Village Squares are open to adults and teenagers who live outside The Villages. All three squares are open to "outsiders". If you are concerned about teenagers hanging around movie theaters and the town squares, it happens. If you are making life decisions based on Ryan Erisman's ridiculous monthly newsletters, then best of luck to you.


I am aware of the fact that the squares are open to all. Please forgive my ignorance on the issue of Ryan Erisman's credibility. I thought that the many good people who respond to questions and posts here - could speak first hand to the issue of whether there are concerns about Brownwood. I'm not sure what you mean by your statement " If you are making life decisions based on Ryan Erisman's ridiculous monthly newsletters, then best of luck to you."

[graciegirl]

I am not sure what Bare means either, but I do know that I have been reading her posts for years and that is the strongest statement she has ever made and the first one ever to be critical of anyone.

I know there is some good reason. Barefoot is fair and kind and considered and trustworthy.

I also agree with Billethekids's post above.

There was some vandalism at Lake Sumter Landing square a few months back. There was graffiti in and messed up public restroom. And a car windshield was broken where people parked who were picked up by buses for cruise vacation. These were two separate instances.

But how old the vandals were, we don't know.

When you have a public square, you have people who do not live here, but I know that my neighbor in Hadley, a retired New York Police Officer was hired to be an undercover security person at LSL, so I conclude that is done at all squares.

We are as safe here as any place on this earth.

In MY very humble opinion.

[PaPaLarry]

The Village Squares are open to adults and teenagers who live outside The Villages. All three squares are open to "outsiders". If you are concerned about teenagers hanging around movie theaters and the town squares, it happens. If you are making life decisions based on Ryan Erisman's ridiculous monthly newsletters, then best of luck to you.
Well said!!!!!!!!!!

[PaPaLarry]

If I remember correctly, going back all those years (LOL) we as teenagers hung around downtown also. Brownwood is an attraction, that will bring all types of people, not just teenagers. I'm sure the Police have things under control! Billiethekid, Barefoot, and Gracie, hit the nail on the head, with their good explanations. Brownwood is for all of us, and the businesses there need the revenue. Lets not be negative about our Hometown!! Enjoy your next visit to Brownwood!!!

[ssmith]

Wow, I do understand that the kids there need places to hang out and most are likely harmless and this is probably way over exaggerated however....

I do get intimidated when I see a pack of teens (that is what I called them when my own son hung out with his friends) all hanging out together...you just never know.... Once while visiting there we found some sitting in our golf cart in the parking lot....no apparent issues and they did move but it was a bit intimidating....just saying.

Glad for the police that do patrol there.

[Jhooman]

Last week we attended Scooter's event at Sumter. Old folks, Young folks and Regular folks were running around being silly. He' a nut and we all loved his joy of being completely out there.

During the show he called up the cross country team and had them dance on stage with him. It was wonderful seeing the joy of these kids doing their "Thang". What's amazing, Scooter kept up with them. The audience loved it and gave these kids a huge applause.

I've seen old folks get out of control in the squares, too much booze, then they get in their carts and drive. Now that's scary:shocked:.

What I love about this community, it's not sterile, it's inviting to all age groups. There's a dynamic pulse here. If this community was a closed community, I would find it rigid and boring.

[Bogie Shooter]

If it "Doesn't matter their color" I would think there was no need to mention the color of their skin.

I agree!

[Bogie Shooter]

there are always going to be some of the old farts who think TV is in fact for over 55s and anybody younger especially teens and as stated black teens make some feel unsafe.

The invitation was say it isn't so....well it is not. Brownwood is no different tha LSL or SS town centers. It wasn't that many months ago when someone here was complaining about the teens "hanging around" LSL and making them nervous.

Once agian not only the isolated incident being treated as a general condition but embellished by someone who has THEIR OWN specific idea what constitutes safety in the MIND.

Anybody who is a resident of TV and frequents the town centers and appreciates the fact there is more to the social profile of the TV than what they see in the mirror.

The majority of us beleive we live in one of the safest environments on the planet.......the minority exception is noted.

btk

As usual the voice of reason, thanks.

[redwitch]

I don't have a problem with kids hanging out in the squares. I don't mind the image of them running around. That's what kids do -- they goof off, hang around with friends, burn off energy. I do, however, mind the idea of someone lounging in my golf cart; checking the doors of obviously closed business; hitting another human, especially a girl. The first is disrespectful; the second implies illegal activity is planned; the third is obscene and illegal. Knowing me, I'd tell to get out of my cart in no uncertain terms; call the police about the potential of illegal activity planned; call the police and interfere until they showed up (I do have a tendency to jump into things like that).

Would I live by Brownwood? Probably not -- I can't say I'd feel particularly unsafe, I just don't like being the one to test the water so to speak.

[ilovetv]

Last night at Brownwood, in the last hour there was a small group of about 6 preteens/teens goofing around on the dance floor during break (just being silly and jumpin' around to the music). One lady beside me (a newbie) said "I wonder where those kids come from....." and I thought "oh oh...here we go....."

But soon they formed a Conga line and some grandma types joined them and they went around the whole dance floor a few times, giggling together and they were fun to watch.

The adult thing to do is talk to the kids personally, individually, as if they are good people and not a "mob" that's up to no good. Chances are, they'll fulfill the expectation we set. If you talk to them as though they're worth something, they will probably respond likewise! Nobody responds kindly to being treated as worthless and up to no good. A lot of kids come from single parent and broken homes and would love to have some attention from the kind souls here in TV.

Talk to them!

[donb9006]

Didn't we move to an over 55 community to avoid children?

Maybe we should vote to have "real" gates?

[ilovetv]

Didn't we move to an over 55 community to avoid children?

Maybe we should vote to have "real" gates?

"To avoid children" probably means avoiding living next door to them with all the noise and drama teens and toddlers produce....and parents who do nothing to discipline them.

Going to the squares at night is optional. I can't think of many things more boring than watching 60 couples of white wrinklies slow dancing!!

[Peachie]

Didn't we move to an over 55 community to avoid children?

Maybe we should vote to have "real" gates?

Our wallet must not be as fat as yours... do you have a grasp of how much privatizing The Villages would cost? In addition to your tax bill you would be funding all of the streets, signage, would have private security patrolling the streets and so forth. I like public, A LOT!

We have lived on private streets before and after the fleecing from our real estate tax bill, we then began paying all the other expenses. No thank you.

[billethkid]

Didn't we move to an over 55 community to avoid children?NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe we should vote to have "real" gates? oF COURSE YOU JEST!!!!

One solution if the above are your goals is to either not move to TV or don't leave your house. And a real gated environment is not practical/or affordable and does nothing for controlling who is in the squares.

When one completely loses tolerance and patience for youth they have reached an age much older than the number on their birth certificate.........plus losing out on so much the world of youth has to offer.

The isolated incidences of "packs" of teens in TV is just that.....an isolated incident

btk

[donb9006]

Our wallet must not be as fat as yours... do you have a grasp of how much privatizing The Villages would cost? In addition to your tax bill you would be funding all of the streets, signage, would have private security patrolling the streets and so forth. I like public, A LOT!

We have lived on private streets before and after the fleecing from our real estate tax bill, we then began paying all the other expenses. No thank you.

Why does it have to cost more? It's the same expenses as any other town incurs except you have gates. That SHOULD be the only additional expense. Incorporate into a town...a private town. I'll trade a few of the flowerbeds for the gates.

[gerryann]

Why does it have to cost more? It's the same expenses as any other town incurs except you have gates. That SHOULD be the only additional expense. Incorporate into a town...a private town. I'll trade a few of the flowerbeds for the gates.

You need to research the reason that our gates are not secure. There's a whole lot more involved that would cost millions to tax payers as was stated in a previous post.

[donb9006]

One solution if the above are your goals is to either not move to TV or don't leave your house. And a real gated environment is not practical/or affordable and does nothing for controlling who is in the squares.

When one completely loses tolerance and patience for youth they have reached an age much older than the number on their birth certificate.........plus losing out on so much the world of youth has to offer.

The isolated incidences of "packs" of teens in TV is just that.....an isolated incident

btk

You moved to an over 55 community to be WITH children? Really? Seems like a non sequitur to me.

Packs of teens are like roaches...there are more than you see, and it leads to a dirty place to live. Compare places with more to those with less...you'll reach the same conclusion.

[bike42]

Didn't we move to an over 55 community to avoid children?

Maybe we should vote to have "real" gates?


You came here planning not to be able to have your grandchildren come to visit?

[billethkid]

Why does it have to cost more? It's the same expenses as any other town incurs except you have gates. That SHOULD be the only additional expense. Incorporate into a town...a private town. I'll trade a few of the flowerbeds for the gates.

There is obviously a missing element of reality in the response.
Are you willing to pay whatever it costs in increased monthly fees to live in a truly gated community and towns? You would not be able to afford the cost!!!

Do you know how many retailers and restaurants would dry up and blow away if the only clientele were us old farts who have a magic card to get in.....almost all of them!!!!

And would it be further suggested to either not go to any shopping centers outside TV for the sake of safety or avoiding the youth of America? Of course not!!

Makes for an interesting discussion up to the point one is asked to assume "it would not cost much more" to gate the residential areas AND the town squares!!!!!!

btk

[Lynne2387]

People are talking about vandalism at the Barnstorm Theatre - seats were slashed?

[billethkid]

answering no to the following question:

"Didn't we move to an over 55 community to avoid children?"

Does not translate to having moved to a 55 + community to be with children!

The age(s) of who frequents where/what/when had absolutely nothing to do with our decision to move to TV.

However if there was a restriction on TV that ONLY 55 plus could live and or play or visit here.....we would not be residents of such a community.

btk

[Indydealmaker]

It doesn't matter which square you are at. Kids, teenagers and under age people who are running around with no real purpose aren't what we signed up for at The Villages. Some of us moved from this type of atmosphere to get away from it. Running around the squares serves no purpose except to be disruptive. Someone needs to get a handle on it right away before it becomes a playground. Word travels fast amongst kids that the squares are a place to go to play around. We want to go enjoy the squares without being afraid of a group of kids running about intimidating us. Even if no physical damage is done by kids, sometimes their behavior is damaging enough among elderly people. Let's not allow the squares to become an alternative to hanging out at a mall. No good can come from it. Yes, I know,they are public squares but I feel like we have paid for them and should be able to enjoy them.

It is time to take a deep breath and think more clearly. The Villages is simply a retirement community. The Squares are public retail areas that primarily market to the needs of seniors, but that in order to survive must also market to all ages. This makes the Squares no different than the malls to which we all are familiar. They are public.

The Villages is not a secure, gated compound and it has never ever been marketed as such. It does not matter what your rose colored glasses conveyed to your brain. Residents here must exercise the same common sense with regard to their security as has been their practice from whence they came.

Do not invent problems. Just trust that law enforcement and The Villages management, where appropriate, will deal with undesirable issues as they arise. A few isolated instances quoted herein are as much the fault of the victims as the perpetrators. The Villages is not an isolated dome.

However, it is a very nice place to live for those of our age.

[ROCKETMAN]

For some reason there are village residents who actually believe they can control who comes to our squares and surrounding restaurants. Most of the teens I have observed are teens, loud, sometimes obnoxious, but still good kids. We need outsiders to keep our businesses going. One incident which may be overblown is not a reason to blame all teens.

[Bonny]

Some members of our family were visiting and when they left the movie theater around 9:30, those same bunch of kids were running all over Brownwood AGAIN. So for those tho haven't seen this, only a matter of time...Anyone know where this bunch of black kids are coming from? These were not small kids, they were late teen and early 20's. Doesn't matter their color, just that they are disruptive and making us feel unsafe. On a good note, there were police everywhere,
Did I miss something ?? You said black kids and then said it doesn't matter their color ! Then why even say it ? :ohdear:

[Peachie]

You moved to an over 55 community to be WITH children? Really? Seems like a non sequitur to me.

Packs of teens are like roaches...there are more than you see, and it leads to a dirty place to live. Compare places with more to those with less...you'll reach the same conclusion.

Don, if you desire to live in an area with gates, (it would not be my preference but I respect yours...), you may be very interested in Stonecrest or Spruce Creek adjacent to The Villages. These are very controlled communities as far as public access and they may be the type of security that makes you most comfortable.

Unfortunately, for your desires, The Villages is a retirement area that includes the public and I don't see that ever changing. Most of us have no problem living in the type of scenario in which we have lived most of our lives but has an additional layer of security, still it is by no means a fortress. Enjoy your day!

[Barefoot]

Fact: If we want the Squares to remain open and vibrant, income from "outsiders" is needed. Residents from outside communities, including teenagers, are welcome to attend movies, shop, dance at the Squares, eat in restaurants and hang out.

If a bunch of wrinklies are standing around drinking and talking and having a good time, it's OK. If a bunch of teenagers are hanging out together, it's considered threatening. Come on, we were all teenagers once, and probably we all loved hanging out with our friends. Let's not blow this thing out of proportion.

[Karron]

I just read today a disturbing report about Brownwood ...kids/teenagers running around in Brownwood in the evening ... acting less than appropriate and Villagers feeling less than safe in that area at night. Please say it isn't so.

Yes, just wait until The Village of Fruitland Park is completed!:shocked::shocked:

[Peachie]

Yes, just wait until The Village of Fruitland Park is completed!:shocked::shocked:

It will be better yet, won't it Karron? Some very nice people live in Fruitland Park and they are an asset to the surrounding communities. Hi to our neighbors in Fruitland Park, :coolsmiley:

[Bogie Shooter]

People are talking about vandalism at the Barnstorm Theatre - seats were slashed?

People talk about a lot of things. What people, where, when?

[Bonny]

A lot of the young people hanging around work in the stores and restaurants here. They get off early, go to the movies, World of Beer, City Fire and hang around talking. Probably talking about all the old people that were complaining and wanting their meals comped. (Just Kidding ;). They like to unwind after work just like all of us did when we were young. I remember being young and hanging with friends at the mall. Older people would look at us like we were criminals !
I love the Villages and have no problem with younger people. My daughter and grandson come here a couple times a week spending money.

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes, just wait until The Village of Fruitland Park is completed!:shocked::shocked:

How will that change anything relative to teenagers on the square??

[Bonny]

I would rather have the young kids hanging out than the old Villages dudes with a rolling meth lab !!! :eek:

[Patty55]

Yes, just wait until The Village of Fruitland Park is completed!:shocked::shocked:

HUH? I've been to Fruitland Park, doesn't look so big and bad.

[NJblue]

Yes, just wait until The Village of Fruitland Park is completed!:shocked::shocked:

I am certainly not an advocate of this development, but I don't see any relevance to this subject other than an additional 4,000 "old wrinklies", as we have been referred to, helping to out number those young "rowdies" in Brownwood.

[jimmemac]

Good lord 7 pages of this stuff?? Guess someone let the kool aide get contaminated with a little reality! If you don't like it you can leave or you can choose to hibernate in your own little village section-the fact is that we have choices and from my perspective we have pretty good choices. Are things going to be perfect? No but they are going to be pretty great. The villages continues to grow and change; will it all be good? Probably not but I am betting that most of that growth and change will be far better than most other places we could live therefore I choose to live here and have a realistic view of things.

[skyc6]

Didn't we move to an over 55 community to avoid children?

Maybe we should vote to have "real" gates?

There are not usually kids in assisted living or nursing homes, but until I get there I enjoy seeing a mix of age ranges.

[BS Beef]

It doesn't matter which square you are at. Kids, teenagers and under age people who are running around with no real purpose aren't what we signed up for at The Villages. Some of us moved from this type of atmosphere to get away from it. Running around the squares serves no purpose except to be disruptive. Someone needs to get a handle on it right away before it becomes a playground. Word travels fast amongst kids that the squares are a place to go to play around. We want to go enjoy the squares without being afraid of a group of kids running about intimidating us. Even if no physical damage is done by kids, sometimes their behavior is damaging enough among elderly people. Let's not allow the squares to become an alternative to hanging out at a mall. No good can come from it. Yes, I know,they are public squares but I feel like we have paid for them and should be able to enjoy them.

Any one remember the movie Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? I can't help but think of the King locking up the children. Sorry I get it this is a serious thread but just too funny to me.

[teachnmo]

Living in The Villages is mostly for 55 years and older, but the squares are for the public. Also why people outside of The Villages attends events there.

[rdhdleo]

You signed up to live in an age restricted housing development. However if you want the amenities of close by shopping and restaurants that we have you're in he wrong development if you do no want to share these perks! Business here could not survive without people outside the Villages patronizing them. Therefore those areas are open to the public like any shopping/dining venue might be. If not having these these conveniences and choices available so close to you is ok then perhaps Del Webb or Spruce Creek is a better fit for you. Just my opinion of course.

[DougB]

You signed up to live in an age restricted housing development. However if you want the amenities of close by shopping and restaurants that we have you're in he wrong development if you do no want to share these perks! Business here could not survive without people outside the Villages patronizing them. Therefore those areas are open to the public like any shopping/dining venue might be. If not having these these conveniences and choices available so close to you then perhaps Del Webb or Spruce Creek is a better fit for you. Just my opinion of course.

Or even Cypress Cove. They allow no outsiders

[billethkid]

we do have an element of snobbery (for lack of anything better to lable it) here in TV that seems to have certain measurements of certain areas to look down on, like Wildwood and Fruitland Park.

The knowledge of these areas is second through 25th hand....no real experience.

Some of us as kids lived in areas that would aspire to that of the good people of Wildwood and Fruitland......probably more than most would admit.

Just remember for the imagined "bad" you all have of these areas just try to remember that most....95% or more are good wholesome folks with kids, grand kids and retirees that look and act no differently than where most of us came from.

How do you measure these folks when you are in church? Is it OK there too to have an uppety attitude of folks who either may not have what some of us are fortunate enough to have or may have chosen to not be where such attitudes of one's fellow man reside????????

Lighten up....they are your neighbors and would help you in a heart beat....set rumors, old maids stories, BS and prejudice aside....when you are in the shower you look just like they do.....;)

btk

[rdhdleo]

"we do have an element of snobbery (for lack of anything better to lable it) here in TV that seems to have vertain measurements of certain areas to look down on, like Wildwood and Fruitland Park."

Well said btk!

[angiefox10]

I've been to the square when these kids were there. The kids I saw weren't there early in the evening, when the music and dancing was going on. The kids that I believe are being referenced, I don't believe live in The Villages, I would hardly think they work in The Villages, and I highly doubt they are spending any money in The Villages.

Most of them were milling around the parking lot. In fact, I drove down there in my own cart with my 40 year old daughter, to see a movie and someone walked us out, to pick up my cart to go home.

These are not just a bunch of kids dancing in a conga line. In fact, I've just been told they were caught trying to break into the sales office.

[billethkid]

These are not just a bunch of kids dancing in a conga line. In fact, I've just been told they were caught trying to break into the sales office.

And they were released to mill around for all to see....eh?

It is the old....I've been told authentication......to spread the word...:ohdear:

btk

[Peachie]

I've been to the square when these kids were there. The kids I saw weren't there early in the evening, when the music and dancing was going on. The kids that I believe are being referenced, I don't believe live in The Villages, I would hardly think they work in The Villages, and I highly doubt they are spending any money in The Villages.

Most of them were milling around the parking lot. In fact, I drove down there in my own cart with my 40 year old daughter, to see a movie and someone walked us out, to pick up my cart to go home.

These are not just a bunch of kids dancing in a conga line. In fact, I've just been told they were caught trying to break into the sales office.

Do you think they needed maps or document forms?

[Halle]

I've been to the square when these kids were there. The kids I saw weren't there early in the evening, when the music and dancing was going on. The kids that I believe are being referenced, I don't believe live in The Villages, I would hardly think they work in The Villages, and I highly doubt they are spending any money in The Villages.

Most of them were milling around the parking lot. In fact, I drove down there in my own cart with my 40 year old daughter, to see a movie and someone walked us out, to pick up my cart to go home.

These are not just a bunch of kids dancing in a conga line. In fact, I've just been told they were caught trying to break into the sales office.

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The Wild Wild West

October 4, 2013 By Ryan Erisman

I was down in Brownwood the other day and I was kind of surprised how empty it is still. Don’t get me wrong, its going to be AWESOME when its done, and I know everything takes time, but I thought it would be a little further along than it actually is.

Until it does fill up, there are going to be some issues.

Interestingly on the very same day I went down to Brownwood a reader sent me this…

Can you give me your perspective on why The Villages allow a mob of teenagers to run wild through the square after dark?

Last Saturday my family came to visit us and we chose City Fire in Brownwood for dinner. From 8:30 to 10 pm we watched about a dozen kids run from across the street from the Sales office and the park bench next to City Fire. There were three police officers and a few Villages trucks patrolling but did nothing to move the kids out of the square. I viewed two of them trying to open the door of the Sales Office and one boy punch a girl in the head with his fist. The whole scene sickened me as this was my biggest concern moving to Brownwood last week.

I tracked down one officer and asked why he allowed these kids to roam freely in The Villages, supposedly an area for adults 55 and over. He said he couldn’t do anything about them yelling and running through the streets because it wasn’t a crime. When told about them trying the doors and the assault on the girl, he said he didn’t see it so he couldn’t do anything about it.

I feel like I made a big mistake buying near Brownwood and do not feel as safe as I was told by many people. If anyone can come into The Village’s Squares, what’s from stopping them from entering our homes?

Also this week, ************** reported that golf clubs valued at more than $2,000 were stolen from two golf carts Monday evening while the golf carts were parked at Evans Prairie Country Club, the newest and southernmost country club in The Villages.

It sounds very much like the Wild West in the south end of The Villages at this point.

Now of course it will get better as time goes on and Brownwood becomes more populated and established, but how long will that take and at what inconvenience to early residents?

Is this where you got the information about the supposed attempted break in?

Rumors gone Wild!

:cus:

[angiefox10]

Kids trying to break into the sales office, I didn't see. I believe it came from the write up that has been posted. My husband turned around and told me about it as I was typing this.

The kids I saw when I was at the theater, I personally saw. I didn't feel like they were there to enjoy the dancing at the square and in fact, it was after 9:00 PM when I saw them. I didn't see any police, but it was a couple of months ago.... maybe they are there now.

To be honest, I don't care if you believe me. I just wanted to report what I saw when I was there. *shrug*

I didn't feel safe that late at night parked off the square.

[gerryann]

It's disturbing to read this thread and the comments by some.....such bigotry and prejudice. Wake up folks. This is 2013. It's not all evil out there. Why post if these kids did nothing wrong? Trying a door is not breaking in, or attempting to.

[Bonny]

Kids trying to break into the sales office, I didn't see. I believe it came from the write up that has been posted. My husband turned around and told me about it as I was typing this.

The kids I saw when I was at the theater, I personally saw. I didn't feel like they were there to enjoy the dancing at the square and in fact, it was after 9:00 PM when I saw them. I didn't see any police, but it was a couple of months ago.... maybe they are there now.

To be honest, I don't care if you believe me. I just wanted to report what I saw when I was there. *shrug*

I didn't feel safe that late at night parked off the square.

Maybe they just left one of the restaurants, movies or whatever and decided to hang in the parking lot and talk. We do that all the time when we are out with friends. we start walking back to our car and end up standing around and talking for another 15 minutes.

[Bogie Shooter]

I've been to the square when these kids were there. The kids I saw weren't there early in the evening, when the music and dancing was going on. The kids that I believe are being referenced, I don't believe live in The Villages, I would hardly think they work in The Villages, and I highly doubt they are spending any money in The Villages.

Most of them were milling around the parking lot. In fact, I drove down there in my own cart with my 40 year old daughter, to see a movie and someone walked us out, to pick up my cart to go home.

These are not just a bunch of kids dancing in a conga line. In fact, I've just been told they were caught trying to break into the sales office.

OK, who told you that? Attempted break-in, that would require a police report right? Is there one? (Isn't this how rumors get started?)

[ajbrown]

<Alan cut stuff from OP>

To be honest, I don't care if you believe me. I just wanted to report what I saw when I was there. *shrug*

I didn't feel safe that late at night parked off the square.

I have no facts of any of the things in this thread personally. I just wanted to comment that I have seen enough of your posts to put some weight behind what you felt. Whatever the details, I am sorry that happened to you.....

[Bogie Shooter]

Kids trying to break into the sales office, I didn't see. I believe it came from the write up that has been posted. My husband turned around and told me about it as I was typing this.

The kids I saw when I was at the theater, I personally saw. I didn't feel like they were there to enjoy the dancing at the square and in fact, it was after 9:00 PM when I saw them. I didn't see any police, but it was a couple of months ago.... maybe they are there now.

To be honest, I don't care if you believe me. I just wanted to report what I saw when I was there. *shrug*

I didn't feel safe that late at night parked off the square.

Would you feel the same way at LSL and Spanish Springs? Or, for that matter leaving a store at the mall on 441/27?

[Halle]

I have no facts of any of the things in this thread personally. I just wanted to comment that I have seen enough of your posts to put some weight behind what you felt. Whatever the details, I am sorry that happened to you.....

I must have missed it what happened to her?

[angiefox10]

Would you feel the same way at LSL and Spanish Springs? Or, for that matter leaving a store at the mall on 441/27?

If it was that group of kids.... Yes, I would have felt unsafe. This wasn't the group of kids I've seen at Spanish Springs or at LSL. Different group.

In my previous life I was a public speaker.... I was the Diversity Marketing Manager and Public Speaker for a very large corporation. I worked with different ethnic groups. I don't find people of "any" color scary! I traveled and went into downtown Chicago, Milwaukee and Detroit. I know kids just milling around and kids who might be trouble.

As to the attempted "break in" I explained, I didn't see that. I'm telling you what I saw.

If I saw those same kids ANYWHERE..... I would not feel safe.

[angiefox10]

I don't know and I don't care why people want to ignore that there could be a problem. There may not be.... I don't know.

Regardless.... when you go to the square, until they figure out what is going on... just be watchful. If you are a female, park your car/cart in the square if you are planning on returning to it late at night.

[manaboutown]

If there is one thing I have learned in life it is to listen to my gut (intuition)!

Check out what this guy had to say. Apparently Oprah liked the book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gift_of_Fear

[rubicon]

It is apparent after reading all o the comments that some, perhaps most has to do with the manner The Villages Lifestyle was marketed. It is clear to me even after 7 years that village employees focused on village selling points leaving many with the impression that this was a closed gated community built for those who had the money to make a huge investment. They didn't lie they just didn't say anything that might cause some to back away from buying.

Given that this is not a private community you see that the public shares in most of what is available to us including the cart paths

When the Developer moved to prevent other communities from utilizing our cart paths village residents demanded he take down that wall.

I had witnessed some teens at LSL three years ago that were spoiling for a fight with anyone.

I believe the squares will be monitored and most situation handled low key saving any extreme action matched to any extreme altercations, crimes in progress, etc.


Cést la vie!

[Golfingnut]

I am reluctant to post on this but I will just say::::
If a person or persons is acting suspicious rather 8 or 80, investigate, but DO NOT LET IT CONTINUE. If it looks like a duck, well you know.

[rubicon]

I am reluctant to post on this but I will just say::::
If a person or persons is acting suspicious rather 8 or 80, investigate, but DO NOT LET IT CONTINUE. If it looks like a duck, well you know.

Yea: Stand Your Ground!

[Peachie]

Yea: Stand Your Ground!

Probably scarier than any teenagers in the Squares are all the old men living in The Villages at the Squares packing heat and drinking . :shocked:

[Stdole]

I find the original complaint on the mark... I have seen trouble just waiting to materialize .... Stop this behavior now! Or we will not be going to the square!
I have seen minor bad behavior myself and even cross the street to avoid them.. This is quite sad seeing this in The Villages our last place (we thought)

Do not make excuses ... "This occurs everywhere". Or. "Kids will be Kids". Or
"I don't see the problem from where I am standing or live".

[Golfingnut]

I find the original complaint on the mark... I have seen trouble just waiting to materialize .... Stop this behavior now! Or we will not be going to the square!
I have seen minor bad behavior myself and even cross the street to avoid them.. This is quite sad seeing this in The Villages our last place (we thought)

Do not make excuses ... "This occurs everywhere". Or. "Kids will be Kids". Or
"I don't see the problem from where I am standing or live".

Well said, and I am the original VILLAGES LIBERAL, but, we must be vigilant when a situation arises that fits the profile of trouble. I would rather apologize for misjudging a young group than tolerate violence or vandalizing property.

[CFrance]

I am reluctant to post on this but I will just say::::
If a person or persons is acting suspicious rather 8 or 80, investigate, but DO NOT LET IT CONTINUE. If it looks like a duck, well you know.

Yea: Stand Your Ground!

I don't think that's what he meant...

[Bexter]

I don't know and I don't care why people want to ignore that there could be a problem. There may not be.... I don't know.

Regardless.... when you go to the square, until they figure out what is going on... just be watchful. If you are a female, park your car/cart in the square if you are planning on returning to it late at night.

Thank you, angiefox, for sharing what happened to you.

Why would you people infer that angiefox was lying? She lives in TV and she loves TV.

I think it's good to be REALISTIC. The Villages is a wonderful community and a great place to live. It's pretty close to perfect - for a community with over 100,000 people. However, it does border on a city that maybe isn't quite as perfect as TV. I don't know of any city that doesn't have problems and Wildwood (for as nice as it is), has their problems.

Since I was the one who posted the article about "The Wild Wild West" yesterday (was it just yesterday?), I want you to know that I am not one to spread unnecessary rumors. I didn't take writing that post lightly.

I received that "Wild Wild West" article from one of TV Security Guards who is a friend of mine. Within the past hour, I asked him about the validity of that article and he said it was truthful. He said a lot more........and it wouldn't be prudent to post it. I think you've heard enough. However, perhaps if Janet Tutt wouldn't be so lax, things might improve. We, the residents of TV, should demand better.

My personal experience. I had the side of my car scratched by a key while I was at Brownwood.

I also went inside the Sales Center and asked why they no longer have that one "saddle seat" in the fake bar area that's so cute. The sales people said some kids came in and ruined it. It's gone.

I know you don't want to hear that there is a problem. But isn't it better to know now and do something about it? You people did something about that Wall.

[Golfingnut]

Thank you, angiefox, for sharing what happened to you.

Why would you people infer that angiefox was lying? She lives in TV and she loves TV.

I think it's good to be REALISTIC. The Villages is a wonderful community and a great place to live. It's pretty close to perfect - for a community with over 100,000 people. However, it does border on a city that maybe isn't quite as perfect as TV. I don't know of any city that doesn't have problems and Wildwood (for as nice as it is), has their problems.

Since I was the one who posted the article about "The Wild Wild West" yesterday (was it just yesterday?), I want you to know that I am not one to spread unnecessary rumors. I didn't take writing that post lightly.

I received that "Wild Wild West" article from one of TV Security Guards who is a friend of mine. Within the past hour, I asked him about the validity of that article and he said it was truthful. He said a lot more........and it wouldn't be prudent to post it. I think you've heard enough. However, perhaps if Janet Tutt wouldn't be so lax, things might improve. We, the residents of TV, should demand better.

My personal experience. I had the side of my car scratched by a key while I was at Brownwood.

I also went inside the Sales Center and asked why they no longer have that one "saddle seat" in the fake bar area that's so cute. The sales people said some kids came in and ruined it. It's gone.

I know you don't want to hear that there is a problem. But isn't it better to know now and do something about it? You people did something about that Wall.

Your OP was spot on and appreciated. It is just that we have some friends and family on this site that only find the negative and we become a little jaded because of that. I agree with your concern. I have never experienced a problem in the years we have been here, but, I remain vigilant to the possibility.

[Bogie Shooter]

Thank you, angiefox, for sharing what happened to you.


. However, perhaps if Janet Tutt wouldn't be so lax, things might improve.


.

What does this mean?

[buggyone]

I am sure that anti-Janet Tutt comment was made by some POA groupie that is never satisfied with anything ( especially anything pro-Developer).

Sounds as they would rather move away but yet they stay. What is the word for that?

[ilovetv]

Personally, I think curfews are in order in communities that want them.

I could see having a curfew of 9:30pm at the squares (or the last movie time). Once the bands are done playing, there's no reason for teens to be there (except exiting the movies).

[kagney123]

If there is one thing I have learned in life it is to listen to my gut (intuition)!

Check out what this guy had to say. Apparently Oprah liked the book. The Gift of Fear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gift_of_Fear)

Thank you, I learned alot from reading about this book and will pass it on to my friends
and I plan on reading the book also.

[ssmith]

...just to be fair....the post I entered about the kids in our golf cart.....they were in a parking lot at LSL not Brownwood.....and it was somewhat late but before 11:00pm and a bit deserted and a bit intimidating to find several....not sure maybe 8 or so sitting and talking....in many of the golf carts around ours....including ours....felt a bit threatened....it is one thing to talk to your friends and hang out in the parking lot.... it is another to ignore a boundary and sit in someone elses golf carts....just my impression.

I don't think all kids are bad but I did feel a bit unsafe...just my feeling at that moment though. Normally can't find a thing wrong with TV!!!!

[Pepperhead]

Personally, I think curfews are in order in communities that want them.

I could see having a curfew of 9:30pm at the squares (or the last movie time). Once the bands are done playing, there's no reason for teens to be there (except exiting the movies).

Who would impose the curfew?

[Bogie Shooter]

I am sure that anti-Janet Tutt comment was made by some POA groupie that is never satisfied with anything ( especially anything pro-Developer).

Sounds as they would rather move away but yet they stay. What is the word for that?

Actually the POA in most cases has supported Janet Tutt.

[ilovetv]

Who would impose the curfew?

I would think that would be the municipality or community development district that contracts for police or sheriff services. I think it's Wildwood Police who cover Brownwood. Maybe the VCCD that contracts them could make a curfew?

[Bogie Shooter]

One solution if the above are your goals is to either not move to TV or don't leave your house. And a real gated environment is not practical/or affordable and does nothing for controlling who is in the squares.

When one completely loses tolerance and patience for youth they have reached an age much older than the number on their birth certificate.........plus losing out on so much the world of youth has to offer.

The isolated incidences of "packs" of teens in TV is just that.....an isolated incident

btk

Had to go back and get this post just in case some may have missed it in their readings.
This thread has gone from an incident to now imposing curfew's.......whats next document check at the borders. Its time for happy hour...............or time out.

[Serenoa]

Probably scarier than any teenagers in the Squares are all the old men living in The Villages at the Squares packing heat and drinking . :shocked:

:agree::agree::agree:.....especially the ones packin their precious heat.

[dillywho]

we do have an element of snobbery (for lack of anything better to lable it) here in TV that seems to have certain measurements of certain areas to look down on, like Wildwood and Fruitland Park.

The knowledge of these areas is second through 25th hand....no real experience.

Some of us as kids lived in areas that would aspire to that of the good people of Wildwood and Fruitland......probably more than most would admit.

Just remember for the imagined "bad" you all have of these areas just try to remember that most....95% or more are good wholesome folks with kids, grand kids and retirees that look and act no differently than where most of us came from.

How do you measure these folks when you are in church? Is it OK there too to have an uppety attitude of folks who either may not have what some of us are fortunate enough to have or may have chosen to not be where such attitudes of one's fellow man reside????????

Lighten up....they are your neighbors and would help you in a heart beat....set rumors, old maids stories, BS and prejudice aside....when you are in the shower you look just like they do.....;)

btk

You are so right. We were all kids at some point and as long as they are just having a great time and not being destructive, relax and enjoy them and their enthusiasm. They will have plenty of real issues to deal with all too soon.

I agree that the element of which you speak (snobbery) exists a little too much here at times. I and some of our neighbors have experienced it first-hand and we live here! There are some that seem to think that certain amenities belong solely to them when they are around and that they can set rules. Our neighborhood pool and some of the other facilities have had this problem. We just all need to strive to be a little kinder and willing to share. Everyone here pays for the amenities and as such, are for all to enjoy. The public areas are just what they are....public and open to anyone, young or old.

[asianthree]

Personally, I think curfews are in order in communities that want them.

I could see having a curfew of 9:30pm at the squares (or the last movie time). Once the bands are done playing, there's no reason for teens to be there (except exiting the movies).

you mean for the old people..no worries lights out by 9pm

[Pturner]

Of course, we need to be vigilant here as anywhere when we are out after dark, the crowds are gone, and we walk back to our car in an isolated parking lot. That goes for all three squares and anywhere else on the planet.

Be prudent. Don't walk alone. Call security if you are frightened. Exercise caution. Beyond that though, I see a lot of overreaction and jumping to conclusion here over kids hanging out (as my friends and I did as teenagers) and over rumor, innuendo and alleged incidents heard through the grapevine.

Jumping to conclusion and rushing to judgment are not the same as being prudent and exercising caution. Please believe me when I say that I am not taking sides here on what ultimately happened in Sanford, FL. But the last thing we need in The Villages is a dead teenager with skittles in his pocket.

[PaPaLarry]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popc orn::popcorn::popcorn: Excuse me!! Would someone pass the popcorn please!!!!:popcorn::popcorn:

[graciegirl]

:popcorn: Excuse me!! Would someone pass the popcorn please!!!!:popcorn::popcorn:

Here ya go kiddo. Extra salt.

[travelguy]

the only concern that i have at this point is that the lighting along the golf cart paths and thru the tunnels is almost non-existent. the trail that goes from the parking lot behind the sales office between the two ponds and then to the two tunnels is so dark....no lights at all. and although buena vista has street lights on the median strips,the golf cart paths have no supplementary lighting. automobiles have good headlights that illuminate just fine, but golf carts have minimal lights.....
just my take on the safety issue.

[Nancy Lang]

I just read today a disturbing report about Brownwood ...kids/teenagers running around in Brownwood in the evening ... acting less than appropriate and Villagers feeling less than safe in that area at night. Please say it isn't so.

Riding home in my golf cart on Friday night, I circled Sumter Square,

then took the golf cart path leading to the tunnel that would take me toward

the entrance to Canal Street. That stretch parallels Morse Blvd. A sporty

little white car came out of Sumter Landing at a high rate of speed,

4 young white boys (and I only state this so there will be no

speculation) were yelling at me through open windows and blaring

some extremely loud rap music. It was frightening as there were no

other cars or golf carts to be seen and I was not near any homes if

I needed help. I did not look at them or respond to them and they

finally sped away. I will not feel comfortable again in my golf cart,

alone, after 9 p.m.. We ARE an open community - people can come and

go at will. However, this has left me with a sense of Insecurity that

I've not felt before. It's unfortunate, but what is the solution?

[DougB]

Wow, 8,000 hits and over 100 posts because kids were spotted in Brownwood!

[graciegirl]

Wow, 8,000 hits and over 100 posts because kids were spotted in Brownwood!

Nothing bad really happened. I used to say that to my kids. Nothing bad really happened. You were just scared.

[gerryann]

There are three family friendly neighborhoods right here in the villages. I'd sure hate to be a preteen or teenager growing up here in TV.

[kittygilchrist]

Apparently, I'm not afraid of very much. Here's a list of things people have said they are afraid of in TV:

Murder
People drinking and driving
Dog poop
Teenagers
Sex offenders
Alligators
Big birds eating dogs
Coyotes
Possums
Neighbors
Men drinking and packing heat
Anyone who carries a gun.
Drivers of all sorts
Nails on the street (that post was mine)
People who don't like poop in their yards.
Children dancing.
Drug addicts.
Lightning.
Hurricanes.
Solicitors.
Everybody who doesn't live here.
Correction on totv by the moderator.
Running out of toilet paper (also mine)

Oh dear, I've hardly begun...a little help here...

[perrjojo]

Trouble in Brownwoosd. Say it isn't so!

It isn't so! You're welcome.

[Bogie Shooter]

Riding home in my golf cart on Friday night, I circled Sumter Square,

then took the golf cart path leading to the tunnel that would take me toward

the entrance to Canal Street. That stretch parallels Morse Blvd. A sporty

little white car came out of Sumter Landing at a high rate of speed,

4 young white boys (and I only state this so there will be no

speculation) were yelling at me through open windows and blaring

some extremely loud rap music. It was frightening as there were no

other cars or golf carts to be seen and I was not near any homes if

I needed help. I did not look at them or respond to them and they

finally sped away. I will not feel comfortable again in my golf cart,

alone, after 9 p.m.. We ARE an open community - people can come and

go at will. However, this has left me with a sense of Insecurity that

I've not felt before. It's unfortunate, but what is the solution?

Welcome to TOTV. There isn't and will not be a cop on every corner. Just like where ever you came from.

You have answered your own question, we ARE an open community.........

[manaboutown]

Apparently, I'm not afraid of very much. Here's a list of things people have said they are afraid of in TV:

Murder
People drinking and driving
Dog poop
Teenagers
Sex offenders
Alligators
Big birds eating dogs
Coyotes
Possums
Neighbors
Men drinking and packing heat
Anyone who carries a gun.
Drivers of all sorts
Nails on the street (that post was mine)
People who don't like poop in their yards.
Children dancing.
Drug addicts.
Lightning.
Hurricanes.
Solicitors.
Everybody who doesn't live here.
Correction on totv by the moderator.
Running out of toilet paper (also mine)

Oh dear, I've hardly begun...a little help here...

How about:

sink holes

Tornadoes

robberies

burglaries

assaults and batteries (including overcharging golf cart batteries causing fires)

Fire ants

termites

rats

STDs

errant golf balls

not getting a desirable tee time

Train whistles/noise

sewage treatment plant odors

snakes from garden to rattlers, copperheads, water moccasins, pythons and anacondas - both in and out of toilets

The IRS issue

running out of beer

[peggyb]

I get monthly newsletters from Ryans Erisman, from The Villages Florida Book. I bought his original booklet when I was thinking of moving here 3 years ago and automatically got signed up for the newsletter. It is a very interesting, and sometimes humorous monthly report on all things Villages...monthly sales reports, current events, progress reports, and many many things a "Villager" would be interested in. Sorry your Antivirus blocked it, but I can assure you it is not a hoax site.

[Patty55]

Apparently, I'm not afraid of very much. Here's a list of things people have said they are afraid of in TV:

Murder
People drinking and driving
Dog poop
Teenagers
Sex offenders
Alligators
Big birds eating dogs
Coyotes
Possums
Neighbors
Men drinking and packing heat
Anyone who carries a gun.
Drivers of all sorts
Nails on the street (that post was mine)
People who don't like poop in their yards.
Children dancing.
Drug addicts.
Lightning.
Hurricanes.
Solicitors.
Everybody who doesn't live here.
Correction on totv by the moderator.
Running out of toilet paper (also mine)

Oh dear, I've hardly begun...a little help here...

What will happen after the buildout

The STD Urban Legend

Murders in other towns (not TV)

Garbage placed at the curb too early

Having my Ethers clogged with negativity (that's mine)

[ilovetv]

Apparently, I'm not afraid of very much. Here's a list of things people have said they are afraid of in TV:

Murder
People drinking and driving
Dog poop
Teenagers
Sex offenders
Alligators
Big birds eating dogs
Coyotes
Possums
Neighbors
Men drinking and packing heat
Anyone who carries a gun.
Drivers of all sorts
Nails on the street (that post was mine)
People who don't like poop in their yards.
Children dancing.
Drug addicts.
Lightning.
Hurricanes.
Solicitors.
Everybody who doesn't live here.
Correction on totv by the moderator.
Running out of toilet paper (also mine)

Oh dear, I've hardly begun...a little help here...

Add to the list:

* Contracting STDs and HIV while being celibate, or by just breathing the air in TV

[NotGolfer]

My reaction to this thread...."oh.good.grief!"!!!! We don't live in a gated community...if you want that live in a Dell Webb.

[gerryann]

Oops.....forgot the "wall".....

[billethkid]

Isn't it time for the, problem solved or question answered

Thread is now closed???
btk

[redwitch]

Other things to be afraid of:

A yard worker using the pool restrooms

Lovebugs in the spring

Bugs in general (this is Florida, you know)

Grandkids riding (not driving) in carts

Lovebugs in the fall

Roundabouts

Bad drivers

Snowbirds

[senior citizen]

Wow, I do understand that the kids there need places to hang out and most are likely harmless and this is probably way over exaggerated however....

I do get intimidated when I see a pack of teens (that is what I called them when my own son hung out with his friends) all hanging out together...you just never know.... Once while visiting there we found some sitting in our golf cart in the parking lot....no apparent issues and they did move but it was a bit intimidating....just saying.

Glad for the police that do patrol there.


I would understand how that could be intimidating.....
Returning to your golf cart to see strangers sitting in it.....
No matter if it was our car or a golf cart......it shouldn't be "taken over"....

In a perfect world, the parents of those teens would open up their homes and make it hospitable to their friends.......it's what we all did up here.

Teens need a place to go and be with their friends. I always felt better knowing ours were at home and their friends were always welcomed.

They would play with those early video games, watch t.v. (nothing like what it is now)......swim in the pool, etc........but at least we knew they weren't driving all over and we were at home as well.

I always kept the frig stocked with ice cream and snacks, fruit on the island, etc......they always left my kitchen clean and the great room neat......even though some stayed until 3 a.m. (during summer vacation or school breaks; not school nights). Those with summer jobs (all of them actually), would stop by after work; like from Friendlies Ice Cream parlor.... and meet up with the rest of the group.

They were good wholesome teens.....who all now are parents themselves. All graduated college and made a good life for themselves.

Same thing once they went off to college........when they'd return home, their friends were always welcome.

Kids just need a place to "go". They never had to hang out on corners or with old folks in golf cart communities.......

[senior citizen]

It doesn't matter which square you are at. Kids, teenagers and under age people who are running around with no real purpose aren't what we signed up for at The Villages. Some of us moved from this type of atmosphere to get away from it. Running around the squares serves no purpose except to be disruptive. Someone needs to get a handle on it right away before it becomes a playground. Word travels fast amongst kids that the squares are a place to go to play around. We want to go enjoy the squares without being afraid of a group of kids running about intimidating us. Even if no physical damage is done by kids, sometimes their behavior is damaging enough among elderly people. Let's not allow the squares to become an alternative to hanging out at a mall. No good can come from it. Yes, I know,they are public squares but I feel like we have paid for them and should be able to enjoy them.

Good honest post. You speak for a lot of folks....

[graciegirl]

Good honest post. You speak for a lot of folks....

Senior.

And others not yet living here or spending a lot of time here. This whole issue is overblown. There is a police station at Brownwood. The square is not that big.

How in the world did we leap to all of these fears? How did guns come up or a reference to Trayvon Martin?


The sky is NOT falling. The sky is NOT falling.

[senior citizen]

I don't have a problem with kids hanging out in the squares. I don't mind the image of them running around. That's what kids do -- they goof off, hang around with friends, burn off energy. I do, however, mind the idea of someone lounging in my golf cart; checking the doors of obviously closed business; hitting another human, especially a girl. The first is disrespectful; the second implies illegal activity is planned; the third is obscene and illegal. Knowing me, I'd tell to get out of my cart in no uncertain terms; call the police about the potential of illegal activity planned; call the police and interfere until they showed up (I do have a tendency to jump into things like that).

Would I live by Brownwood? Probably not -- I can't say I'd feel particularly unsafe, I just don't like being the one to test the water so to speak.


EXCELLENT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When some people read various other posters' thoughts, they totally misconstrue what that person is trying to say.

It's a common thing on TOTV to blame someone for simply expressing their personal opinion. A sense of fear is a personal reality.

How you would see the situation is exactly how we would see the situation.
It would be intimidating to us, at our age, to experience things like that.

We LOVE CHILDREN. We have enjoyed our own teenaged grand daughter's vitality and energy......ditto for our own teens, many moons ago. We love the little ones too. Our grandson is now turning 12 and will be a teen before you know it.......we love all five of our grandchildren and know they would love to visit us in The Villages.......but also know they would NOT be running wild in the town square..........disrespecting people's personal property.

The ones who were mentioned at the beginning of this thread did seem to be up to no good......

P.S. Does anyone seem to sense a "damned if you do and damned if you don't" type atmosphere???
If you LOVE children.......then there are the disgruntled meanies who do not like children in TV.
If you don't like certain "actions" of "children", then you are the meanie....and you are profiling them.
It doesn't matter if they are green (Martians), blue (colloidial silver) , white, black, red, or any other color.......it's their ACTIONS that speak the loudest.

[PaPaLarry]

Senior.

And others not yet living here or spending a lot of time here. This whole issue is overblown. There is a police station at Brownwood. The square is not that big.

How in the world did we leap to all of these fears? How did guns come up or a reference to Trayvon Martin?


The sky is NOT falling. The sky is NOT falling.
That a girl Gracie!!!!!!!

[senior citizen]

I don't know and I don't care why people want to ignore that there could be a problem. There may not be.... I don't know.

Regardless.... when you go to the square, until they figure out what is going on... just be watchful. If you are a female, park your car/cart in the square if you are planning on returning to it late at night.

I believe you.

[senior citizen]

I am reluctant to post on this but I will just say::::
If a person or persons is acting suspicious rather 8 or 80, investigate, but DO NOT LET IT CONTINUE. If it looks like a duck, well you know.


As someone else said, go with your intuition and gut feelings.

[senior citizen]

Apparently, I'm not afraid of very much. Here's a list of things people have said they are afraid of in TV:
Murder
People drinking and driving
Dog poop
Teenagers
Sex offenders
Alligators
Big birds eating dogs
Coyotes
Possums
Neighbors
Men drinking and packing heat
Anyone who carries a gun.
Drivers of all sorts
Nails on the street (that post was mine)
People who don't like poop in their yards.
Children dancing.
Drug addicts.
Lightning.
Hurricanes.
Solicitors.
Everybody who doesn't live here.
Correction on totv by the moderator.
Running out of toilet paper (also mine)
Oh dear, I've hardly begun...a little help here...

Great list !!!!!!!

Add to that "disappearing advertisement on TOTV" which listed a nice retreat including photos of a motel room with a pole dancing set up across from the bed. Very nice lawn chairs outside on a pebbled area.
No place I'd want to stay. But apparently, that advertiser thought he could generate some business.

This was a paid ad on TOTV where you log on. After a few folks saw it, it was taken down. Just a bit of "levity" here..........

But you can see what type of folks might hang out at TV, whether they actually live there or not........whether they actually have teens or not and whether they actually cook meth or not......

For many who have been contemplating relocation to TV, all of the DENIAL only makes them wonder if there is some truth to all of this stuff.

DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt.

What we saw on the surface was absolutely beautiful. We felt safe.

However............there is apparently another lifestyle going on, than the one that is advertised so well by the marketing department.

Also, TV is surrounded by other towns that may have questionable type people......like all towns in America have.
There, I had to put a little disclaimer. Do not the residents of TV live in "the real world".....

[senior citizen]

I get monthly newsletters from Ryans Erisman, from The Villages Florida Book. I bought his original booklet when I was thinking of moving here 3 years ago and automatically got signed up for the newsletter. It is a very interesting, and sometimes humorous monthly report on all things Villages...monthly sales reports, current events, progress reports, and many many things a "Villager" would be interested in. Sorry your Antivirus blocked it, but I can assure you it is not a hoax site.

I'm going to order a subscription myself.......

[senior citizen]

Senior.

And others not yet living here or spending a lot of time here. This whole issue is overblown. There is a police station at Brownwood. The square is not that big.

How in the world did we leap to all of these fears? How did guns come up or a reference to Trayvon Martin?


The sky is NOT falling. The sky is NOT falling.


I certainly did not bring up Trayvon Martin. Or guns.

I also clarified that I personally felt safe when we were there.
That doesn't change what other things have occurred while I was not there.

[kittygilchrist]

What will happen after the buildout

The STD Urban Legend

Murders in other towns (not TV)

Garbage placed at the curb too early

Having my Ethers clogged with negativity (that's mine)

Having my Ethers clogged with negativity
You said it, Patty...some people drag everybody down.

[graciegirl]

I certainly did not bring up Trayvon Martin. Or guns.

I also clarified that I personally felt safe when we were there.
That doesn't change what other things have occurred while I was not there.

It think my point is to read every post and every thing before we respond to a part of a post that is really off topic.

When you live in a place, 24/7 you have a much better feel for the climate and the happenings and you have trusted people who tell you things. You also learn not to trust forums such as this with isolated posts by people that you have not gotten a "feel" for.

People bring with them to this place the level of fear and preparedness that they needed in the place from which they moved. People who do not live here do not know by driving the distances all of the time what is near and what is not so near. NO one is completely safe ever and should use common sense but this place is as safe as it gets...at this time. It may change.

It is very hard to realize just what this place is really like until you live here, day after day, year after year and do not see odd or scary people walking or driving down your street. The odd ones would immediately stand out. AND are immediately reported, because they are few and far between.

You know about where you live, and we know about where we live. Do not trust anonymous people until you get a "feel" for them.

[pooh]

It think my point is to read every post and every thing before we respond to a part of a post that is really off topic.

When you live in a place, 24/7 you have a much better feel for the climate and the happenings and you have trusted people who tell you things. You also learn not to trust forums such as this with isolated posts by people that you have not gotten a "feel" for.

People bring with them to this place the level of fear and preparedness that they needed in the place from which they moved. People who do not live here do not know by driving the distances all of the time what is near and what is not so near. NO one is completely safe ever and should use common sense but this place is as safe as it gets...at this time. It may change.

It is very hard to realize just what this place is really like until you live here, day after day, year after year and do not see odd or scary people walking or driving down your street. The odd ones would immediately stand out. AND are immediately reported, because they are few and far between.

You know about where you live, and we know about where we live. Do not trust anonymous people until you get a "feel" for them.

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[senior citizen]

It think my point is to read every post and every thing before we respond to a part of a post that is really off topic.

When you live in a place, 24/7 you have a much better feel for the climate and the happenings and you have trusted people who tell you things. You also learn not to trust forums such as this with isolated posts by people that you have not gotten a "feel" for.

People bring with them to this place the level of fear and preparedness that they needed in the place from which they moved. People who do not live here do not know by driving the distances all of the time what is near and what is not so near. NO one is completely safe ever and should use common sense but this place is as safe as it gets...at this time. It may change.

It is very hard to realize just what this place is really like until you live here, day after day, year after year and do not see odd or scary people walking or driving down your street. The odd ones would immediately stand out. AND are immediately reported, because they are few and far between.

You know about where you live, and we know about where we live. Do not trust anonymous people until you get a "feel" for them.

Good advice.....but believe it or not.........I was told by many, early on, via private messages........who to trust and who not to trust.

I choose to go with my own intuition......

And again, you are correct that "no one is safe ever" and "should use common sense"......totally agree with that.

With society changing so much since we were all young.......in more ways than one.........I just don't understand the denial so prevalent and against newspapers printing what is really going on in Florida and in towns just outside "The Bubble". Denial isn't going to make it go away.

I don't really know ANYONE , myself included, who lives in FEAR, as another poster mentioned.

Can't build a "DOME" around The Villages, like Stephen King's thriller.

It's not gated; anyone can get in whenever they choose. If the local youth are so rambunctious, we...the elders....couldn't defend ourselves against them "if" they ever chose to really sow their oats. It happens.

With drugs rampant and so many addicted, not in their "right minds", home invasions all over ...are on the increase. They need money to fund their habits. Times have changed. Society has changed.

I also can understand the posts of those saying they thought they'd be moving to a retirement community of like minded souls. Not quite.

[Wiserbud47]

I was a high school teacher for over 30 years and have dealt with many different kinds of teenagers. I found that they needed to know what they could get away with and what they couldn't I think this very relevant in our town squares. If the police feel they can only enforce laws, then there needs to be personnel in the town squares that will enforce standards of behavior. We have a right to say that running around the town is not appropriate behavior. The same is true about touching something, such as the sales office door, that doesn't belong to you is not appropriate behavior. People who can not follow basic standards of behavior are not welcome in our town squares.

I think it is essential that we deal with this situation because my experience is that it doesn't go away unless you do something.

[Bexter]

Good advice.....but believe it or not.........I was told by many, early on, via private messages........who to trust and who not to trust.

I choose to go with my own intuition......

And again, you are correct that "no one is safe ever" and "should use common sense"......totally agree with that.

With society changing so much since we were all young.......in more ways than one.........I just don't understand the denial so prevalent and against newspapers printing what is really going on in Florida and in towns just outside "The Bubble". Denial isn't going to make it go away.

I don't really know ANYONE , myself included, who lives in FEAR, as another poster mentioned.

Can't build a "DOME" around The Villages, like Stephen King's thriller.

It's not gated; anyone can get in whenever they choose. If the local youth are so rambunctious, we...the elders....couldn't defend ourselves against them "if" they ever chose to really sow their oats. It happens.

With drugs rampant and so many addicted, not in their "right minds", home invasions all over ...are on the increase. They need money to fund their habits. Times have changed. Society has changed.

I also can understand the posts of those saying they thought they'd be moving to a retirement community of like minded souls. Not quite.

Excellent post. There's no doubt that TV is a wonderful place to live. However, it's good to be realistic.

[Patty55]

Great list !!!!!!!

Add to that "disappearing advertisement on TOTV" which listed a nice retreat including photos of a motel room with a pole dancing set up across from the bed. Very nice lawn chairs outside on a pebbled area.
No place I'd want to stay. But apparently, that advertiser thought he could generate some business.

This was a paid ad on TOTV where you log on. After a few folks saw it, it was taken down. Just a bit of "levity" here..........

But you can see what type of folks might hang out at TV, whether they actually live there or not........whether they actually have teens or not and whether they actually cook meth or not......

For many who have been contemplating relocation to TV, all of the DENIAL only makes them wonder if there is some truth to all of this stuff.

DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt.

What we saw on the surface was absolutely beautiful. We felt safe.

However............there is apparently another lifestyle going on, than the one that is advertised so well by the marketing department.

Also, TV is surrounded by other towns that may have questionable type people......like all towns in America have.
There, I had to put a little disclaimer. Do not the residents of TV live in "the real world".....

Now, I could be wrong, but I thought Kitty's initial list was generated by SARCASM (and maybe a touch of disgust).

What is the other lifestyle you keep bringing up? Something about pole dancing, never saw it, but just so you know, a lot of those ads are automatically placed based upon your browser history. If you find sexually suggestive material offensive all you have to do is stop googling sexual material.

Reality? Back in the 60-70's my friends and I would ponder that question for hours. What is reality? Why does an attorney make more money than a garbage man? (Who is really more essential). Yep, back in the day we treated our minds like amusement parks and the best we came up with... THERE IS NO REALITY, ONLY PERCEPTION.

[bike42]

I just read today a disturbing report about Brownwood ...kids/teenagers running around in Brownwood in the evening ... acting less than appropriate and Villagers feeling less than safe in that area at night. Please say it isn't so.

To OP's question -- i spend a lovely evening at Brownwood last night and there were no wandering teens in sight. Just a good crowd of mostly 55+'ers as usual, enjoying good music. If you have been up north for the summer you will be amazed by the progress in building out the town center. The two villages closest to Brownwood are nearly done and will bring lots more people into the square. So don't worry, you will be able to relax and enjoy yourself.

[Peachie]

Good advice.....but believe it or not.........I was told by many, early on, via private messages........who to trust and who not to trust.

I choose to go with my own intuition......

And again, you are correct that "no one is safe ever" and "should use common sense"......totally agree with that.

With society changing so much since we were all young.......in more ways than one.........I just don't understand the denial so prevalent and against newspapers printing what is really going on in Florida and in towns just outside "The Bubble". Denial isn't going to make it go away.

I don't really know ANYONE , myself included, who lives in FEAR, as another poster mentioned.

Can't build a "DOME" around The Villages, like Stephen King's thriller.

It's not gated; anyone can get in whenever they choose. If the local youth are so rambunctious, we...the elders....couldn't defend ourselves against them "if" they ever chose to really sow their oats. It happens.

With drugs rampant and so many addicted, not in their "right minds", home invasions all over ...are on the increase. They need money to fund their habits. Times have changed. Society has changed.

I also can understand the posts of those saying they thought they'd be moving to a retirement community of like minded souls. Not quite.


Senior, I enjoy reading your posts and recipes and I think we have learned much about you.

Those of us on TOTV that are not constantly ringing the alarm bell are not in denial. We are the people who live in the real world here and realize that life in not perfect ANYWHERE. Most of us live as we have always lived, Utopia does not exist on earth. Anyone of us that wants to enter Spruce Creek or Stonecrest, (the gated communities) can do so at anytime, there is not a 12' fence with barbed wired atop. They have the illusion of security but can easily be accessed.

Do you honestly think your hometown in Vermont is safer than The Villages? Of course it isn't and that logic is not realistic. What makes you feel safer in your hometown is familiarity.

I'm not a teacher but I am requesting you do a little assignment today. Reread every post you have made on TOTV regarding moving to The Villages or any retirement community with the perspective that someone else posted them.

I think there's a pretty clear picture from those posts, you and your husband should really take a few years before making a move here or anywhere. Downsizing to a smaller home in Vermont and wintering away in a warmer climate may be the ticket for the two of you.

My husband and I have much family left in our original home state and they would never be happy moving away from their roots. They love to shoot out of their "bubble" for brief vacations but moving out of state for them would be unfathomable. There is no state in the union that can compare to theirs, (not even Vermont) and they recognize that fact.

This type of arrangement would allow the two of you to live in Vermont most of the year and choose the area in which to winter where you would feel safest. I don't think another permanent move to Florida is your solution, it would be like breaking off the tap roots of two strong Vermont oaks.

As for the safety in Brownwood, there is an excellent sheriff's department and if major issues do occur at some time, we feel they will be nipped in the bud promptly.

I like Patty 55's statement: "There is no reality, only perception".

[kittygilchrist]

You are correct about the disgust, Patty, I have learned to use the ignore button so I do not see the words of some people unless you quote them in a post. Words are powerful.

Now, I could be wrong, but I thought Kitty's initial list was generated by SARCASM (and maybe a touch of disgust).

What is the other lifestyle you keep bringing up? Something about pole dancing, never saw it, but just so you know, a lot of those ads are automatically placed based upon your browser history. If you find sexually suggestive material offensive all you have to do is stop googling sexual material.

Reality? Back in the 60-70's my friends and I would ponder that question for hours. What is reality? Why does an attorney make more money than a garbage man? (Who is really more essential). Yep, back in the day we treated our minds like amusement parks and the best we came up with... THERE IS NO REALITY, ONLY PERCEPTION.

[Jayhawk]

I don't know about any of those bad things in The Vilages. I DO know there are 40+ golf courses, 60+ pools, 20+ rec centers, 1000+ clubs, tennis, pickleball, bocce, shuffleboard, miles of transportation paths, music every night and churches for every interest.

I am glad before we bought, we didn't pay any attention to the 10 or so Negative Nellie's who thrive on TOTV. The other 99,990 residents seems to know the real truth.

Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

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[graciegirl]

Senior, I enjoy reading your posts and recipes and I think we have learned much about you.

Those of us on TOTV that are not constantly ringing the alarm bell are not in denial. We are the people who live in the real world here and realize that life in not perfect ANYWHERE. Most of us live as we have always lived, Utopia does not exist on earth. Anyone of us that wants to enter Spruce Creek or Stonecrest, (the gated communities) can do so at anytime, there is not a 12' fence with barbed wired atop. They have the illusion of security but can easily be accessed.

Do you honestly think your hometown in Vermont is safer than The Villages? Of course it isn't and that logic is not realistic. What makes you feel safer in your hometown is familiarity.

I'm not a teacher but I am requesting you do a little assignment today. Reread every post you have made on TOTV regarding moving to The Villages or any retirement community with the perspective that someone else posted them.

I think there's a pretty clear picture from those posts, you and your husband should really take a few years before making a move here or anywhere. Downsizing to a smaller home in Vermont and wintering away in a warmer climate may be the ticket for the two of you.

My husband and I have much family left in our original home state and they would never be happy moving away from their roots. They love to shoot out of their "bubble" for brief vacations but moving out of state for them would be unfathomable. There is no state in the union that can compare to theirs, (not even Vermont) and they recognize that fact.

This type of arrangement would allow the two of you to live in Vermont most of the year and choose the area in which to winter where you would feel safest. I don't think another permanent move to Florida is your solution, it would be like breaking off the tap roots of two strong Vermont oaks.

As for the safety in Brownwood, there is an excellent sheriff's department and if major issues do occur at some time, we feel they will be nipped in the bud promptly.

I like Patty 55's statement: "There is no reality, only perception".

I very much like you Peachie, for saying things so clearly and so kindly and I so hope that Senior will decide that The Villages is a wonderful place to visit frequently and for long periods of time and that she grows to feel that it is her home away from home.

[billethkid]

I don't know about any of those bad things in The Vilages. I DO know there are 40+ golf courses, 60+ pools, 20+ rec centers, 1000+ clubs, tennis, pickleball, bocce, shuffleboard, miles of transportation paths, music every night and churches for every interest.

I am glad before we bought, we didn't pay any attention to the 10 or so Negative Nellie's who thrive on TOTV. The other 99,990 residents seems to know the real truth.

Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

Well stated!!
And a reasonable dose of common sense goes a long, LONG, LONG
way.

btk

[manaboutown]

Patty's statement "THERE IS NO REALITY, ONLY PERCEPTION." seems to me to be somewhat analogous to The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, Werner's, not Walt's.

Ben Franklin said something to the effect that while you are courting a woman keep your eyes wide open. After you marry her keep them half closed. I find that analogous to people choosing where to live, whether in retirement or otherwise. Prior to making a choice they evaluate the pluses and minuses. After they have made their decision they make their move and choose to be happy with it rather than miserable thinking about the I coulda's and the I shoulda's.

That is why once a person chooses to relocate to a particular community if they wish to obtain and maintain serenity and remain content with their decision and enjoy it's attributes they put on their rose colored glasses, draw up a comfortable chair on their lanai, sit back and relax with a glass of Kool Aid. They no longer want to dwell on the cons, only the pros for their continuing happiness and contentment. They want to look at their new life as a place in Paradise, not Purgatory. From Abe Lincoln, "Most folks are as happy as they choose to be."

[Russ_Boston]

I still don't understand the connection with Brownwood and Wildwood? It's not like Brownwood is right next to a large downtown urban area. If there are 'kids' hanging around they sure as heck aren't walking there. They could (and are sometimes) easily be in LSL or SS as well as Brownwood.

Golf clubs get stolen from the back of carts everywhere in TV at some points. Don't leave them unprotected anywhere or face the possibility of losing them.

I see the Wildwood 'issue' as one of racism and elitism. I hate both attitudes equally. Unfounded fear of those that might be different than you.

[ilovetv]

Why would Wannabes buy and subscribe to and believe like gospel everything published by a guy who doesn't even live here (Erisman)???

Just the title of that article, "Wild, Wild West" told me he was gossiping and sensationalizing.

And what's REALLY laughable is for somebody whose mailing address is Daytona Beach (it is on his web page) to be printing horror stories about KIDS on the prowl!

As for TV and its society that includes kids and educates 2000 of them in the public charter scools here in TV.....I think we who live here know quite a bit more than those who do not. We have never let our guard down about crime potential. TV is not crime free but it is safer than most places simply beacause most adults are retired and are out talking to neighbors every day, and most of us have a neighborhood email and phone list we can use to notify neighbors immediately if we see something suspicious. Our neighbors call or text or email us immediately and we do the same. That is what a "Hometown" atmosphere is!

Being PRESENT is a distinct advantage over those who are not, in forming an opinion about this place!

Also, nobody has mentioned the fact that at Brownwood during the bands nightly, there are CDD event staff workers monitoring in their blue uniform shirts at each entrance to the dance floor and by the bar line. Surely they are there to monitor behavior of kids as well as adults. And the police are there too.

[billethkid]

over 10,000 hits......:icon_bored::popcorn::popcorn:

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Personally, I think curfews are in order in communities that want them.

I could see having a curfew of 9:30pm at the squares (or the last movie time). Once the bands are done playing, there's no reason for teens to be there (except exiting the movies).

Hi ilovetv: Teenagers became a real problem at the Mall Of America in Minneapolis. so the Mall instituted a curfew and in addition insisted that any child under 14 be accompanied by an adult. Now you see police constantly monitoring the Mall.

[rubicon]

I have read or re-read every post here and what I discovered is confirmation bias. Every statement that basically said The Villages is utopia, not Utopia but close or something to that effect was termed an excellent post, wise or good counsel, etc. Conversely posts which were critical, showed concern or something to that effect were consider to be negative, unrealistic, whiners, or just plain complainers who might want to consider living some place else. .

So one could conclude that the primary way to be popular is to always send good news irrespective of its validity.

[ilovetv]

I have read or re-read every post here and what I discovered is confirmation bias. Every statement that basically said The Villages is utopia, not Utopia but close or something to that effect was termed an excellent post, wise or good counsel, etc. Conversely posts which were critical, showed concern or something to that effect were consider to be negative, unrealistic, whiners, or just plain complainers who might want to consider living some place else. .

So one could conclude that the primary way to be popular is to always send good news irrespective of its validity.

I disagree and think this is too broad a generalization.

Some of us are talking about facts taken in context, and others are stereotyping the whole community with a very wide brush by taking rumor--not fact--out of context--out of the context of LIVING here.

Somebody even implied, based on the rumor herein, that the Sanford, FL tragedy could be repeated here because of the hysteria....to which that very comment added fuel to the fire by bringing murder into it!!

[Patty55]

I have read or re-read every post here and what I discovered is confirmation bias. Every statement that basically said The Villages is utopia, not Utopia but close or something to that effect was termed an excellent post, wise or good counsel, etc. Conversely posts which were critical, showed concern or something to that effect were consider to be negative, unrealistic, whiners, or just plain complainers who might want to consider living some place else. .

So one could conclude that the primary way to be popular is to always send good news irrespective of its validity.

I think the critical concerned posts of residents were treated with respect. Perennial tire kickers who apparently want to kick up some drama-NOT SO MUCH.

I think we all have concerns from time to time. Hardly a week goes by where I don't say "OMG, I'm living in Central Florida, I can't get a decent haircut, I'm on my last decent purse and I think the brain is being sucked out of my head". I have plenty of negative thoughts about this joint, but I keep them to myself. I don't think I have the right to intrude on everyone else's fun.

I have to say though, it has been a learning experience. The diverse population has helped me see things differently. Thanks to GG and last election I now know where Iowa is.:thumbup:

POPULAR? Man I didn't know that was the goal here, let me dust off my ta-tas and get to work.

[quirky3]

Patty's statement "THERE IS NO REALITY, ONLY PERCEPTION." seems to me to be somewhat analogous to The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, Werner's, not Walt's.

Ben Franklin said something to the effect that while you are courting a woman keep your eyes wide open. After you marry her keep them half closed. I find that analogous to people choosing where to live, whether in retirement or otherwise. Prior to making a choice they evaluate the pluses and minuses. After they have made their decision they make their move and choose to be happy with it rather than miserable thinking about the I coulda's and the I shoulda's.

That is why once a person chooses to relocate to a particular community if they wish to obtain and maintain serenity and remain content with their decision and enjoy it's attributes they put on their rose colored glasses, draw up a comfortable chair on their lanai, sit back and relax with a glass of Kool Aid. They no longer want to dwell on the cons, only the pros for their continuing happiness and contentment. They want to look at their new life as a place in Paradise, not Purgatory. From Abe Lincoln, "Most folks are as happy as they choose to be."

That's a very wise and reasonable observation, manabouttown!

[graciegirl]

I think the critical concerned posts of residents were treated with respect. Perennial tire kickers who apparently want to kick up some drama-NOT SO MUCH.

I think we all have concerns from time to time. Hardly a week goes by where I don't say "OMG, I'm living in Central Florida, I can't get a decent haircut, I'm on my last decent purse and I think the brain is being sucked out of my head". I have plenty of negative thoughts about this joint, but I keep them to myself. I don't think I have the right to intrude on everyone else's fun.

I have to say though, it has been a learning experience. The diverse population has helped me see things differently. Thanks to GG and last election I now know where Iowa is.:thumbup:

POPULAR? Man I didn't know that was the goal here, let me dust off my ta-tas and get to work.


Sit down Patty and take deep breaths. It is OHIO and if you had ever been there you would KNOW it is the center of the Cosmos.

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