This person gets it.

[BettyCrocked]

Notice how the car (circled in yellow) is stopped past the cart crossing (red x).
Unfortunately this is the exception and not the rule.
Once I even saw the second car in line wait behind the cart crossing so as not to clog up half a dozen golf carts!


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/TwistedMom007/getsit_zpsb7724cd8.jpg

[TheVillageChicken]

Errrr...it's a photo. Everything is still in a photo. I doubt if that car was stopped when the photo was shot. More likely moving into the traffic circle.

[BettyCrocked]

That may very well be the case in this particular photo, but I swear I've actually seen people do the courteous thing in this situation before! Like I said, unfortunately, it's the exception and not the rule.

[Bogie Shooter]

That may very well be the case in this particular photo, but I swear I've actually seen people do the courteous thing in this situation before! Like I said, unfortunately, it's the exception and not the rule.

I guess that is a big assumption unless you sat there for hours and hours and observed what was happening.......................

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Errrr...it's a photo. Everything is still in a photo. I doubt if that car was stopped when the photo was shot. More likely moving into the traffic circle.

It's also possible that he stopped before the cart path and when there were no carts coming proceeded to the roundabout and then stopped again.In some case if you stop at the stop sign or line, you can't see whether or not cars are coming from your left or right so you have to make another stop or at least slow down.
But as you say, this is a still photo, who knows what is going on.

[justjim]

OP: You make a good point.

[graciegirl]

When you are driving a car in The Villages, you should be respectful and careful of golf carts but must not forget that cars always have the right of way, so being courteous before the gate and allowing golf cart drivers to pass in front of you may "train" new cart drivers to think that it is their right and put them in potential danger.

I don't "get:" the photograph.

[Skybo]

Deleted post. Sorry, I misunderstood what the OP was saying.

[BettyCrocked]

When you are driving a car in The Villages, you should be respectful and careful of golf carts but must not forget that cars have the right of way, so being courteous before the gate and allowing them to pass may "train" new cart drivers to think that it is their right and put them in potential danger.

I don't "get:" the photograph, but I am old and dim.

I'm not talking about moving cars stopping to let golf carts through. It's about cars who are stopped and waiting to enter the roundabout. They have two choices, they can stop where the circled car is stopped, or they can stop in the golf cart crossing and clog up cart traffic. Some do the courteous thing, most don't.

DISCLAIMER: My observation is not based on sitting at the intersection for hours and conducting a scientific study (which is apparently a requirement before posting anything on TOTV). It is based on using that roundabout 3x per day for 2 months and observing approximately 75% of cars blocking the cart crossing. This post is entirely for entertainment purposes and readers are welcomed to pick said post apart and dissect it like an unlucky frog in the 9th grade science lab.

[graciegirl]

I don't think that a survey is important. I think that after you live here for awhile and drive around a lot, you sort of have certain opinions.

[redwitch]

When you are driving a car in The Villages, you should be respectful and careful of golf carts but must not forget that cars always have the right of way, so being courteous before the gate and allowing golf cart drivers to pass in front of you may "train" new cart drivers to think that it is their right and put them in potential danger.

I don't "get:" the photograph.

Cars do NOT always have the right of way. If they are turning ((whether turning left or right) and a cart is going straight, the cart has the right of way. If a car and cart are at a four-way stop, the law applies as if the cart were another car.

Betty's point was to please not stop your car in the golf cart paths -- you may have to wait for other vehicles but the cart may be able to move (well, would be able to move if your car weren't stopped cold in the path). This is a major problem in negotiating the circle at Morse near 441 and the Santiago/Alhambra gate and, of course, Savannah Center. Some common sense and courtesy goes a long way.

Thank you, Betty, for a great illustration.

[graciegirl]

Cars do NOT always have the right of way. If they are turning ((whether turning left or right) and a cart is going straight, the cart has the right of way. If a car and cart are at a four-way stop, the law applies as if the cart were another car.

Betty's point was to please not stop your car in the golf cart paths -- you may have to wait for other vehicles but the cart may be able to move (well, would be able to move if your car weren't stopped cold in the path). This is a major problem in negotiating the circle at Morse near 441 and the Santiago/Alhambra gate and, of course, Savannah Center. Some common sense and courtesy goes a long way.

Thank you, Betty, for a great illustration.

Must be a full moon and it is close to Halloween and I am feeling Witchy.

Redwitch. Cars almost always have the right of way.

Did you miss the Coven meeting? It was last night.

JUST KIDDING Folks.

Honest sister, I was kidding.

[redwitch]

Gracie, you may be feeling witchy but I'm definitely in witchy with a capital B mode. And I don't go to coven meetings, which are normally held on Fridays. Just not a joiner. ;-)

[downeaster]

Whether the car in question is stopped, moving forward or backing up, is immaterial. The OP was trying to make a point, in fact a positive one. Using a photo of that particular intersection was a good choice as cart traffic can get seriously backed up there unless there are a few auto drivers who demonstrate good manners.

[graciegirl]

Whether the car in question is stopped, moving forward or backing up, is immaterial. The OP was trying to make a point, in fact a positive one. Using a photo of that particular intersection was a good choice as cart traffic can get seriously backed up there unless there are a few auto drivers who demonstrate good manners.

Uncle. I am sorry. I will do just that the next time I get a chance. But I can't still figure out what is being done. It looks like a car driver has gone through the gate and is pausing....or not pausing.

[buzzy]

Assuming the car really was stopped there, I'd say that it was sticking out too far into the outer lane. It would be safer to stay back a bit, even if the back end was partially blocking the cart lane.

[TheVillageChicken]

Whether the car in question is stopped, moving forward or backing up, is immaterial. The OP was trying to make a point, in fact a positive one. Using a photo of that particular intersection was a good choice as cart traffic can get seriously backed up there unless there are a few auto drivers who demonstrate good manners.

Tell that to the car driver who gets stuck under the open gate arm while the courteous driver lets a bunch of carts through the crossing.

[redwitch]

Tell that to the car driver who gets stuck under the open gate arm while the courteous driver lets a bunch of carts through the crossing.

That's not a courteous driver. A courteous driver doesn't block the golf cart lane if there's a back up whether at a gate or at a roundabout. A courteous driver doesn't stop traffic to let golf carts go. A courteous driver does give a golf cart the right of way when it is warranted (such as when the driver is turning right and the cart is going straight). A courteous driver is that -- courteous, considerate of all, not just one.

A discourteous driver stops in the middle of the cart path so that a cart cannot go through; rushes to beat the cart to the corner; is under the illusion that the car always has the right of way; and so on and so forth.

[sweetieboy]

Notice how the car (circled in yellow) is stopped past the cart crossing (red x).
Unfortunately this is the exception and not the rule.
Once I even saw the second car in line wait behind the cart crossing so as not to clog up half a dozen golf carts!


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/TwistedMom007/getsit_zpsb7724cd8.jpg

I've circumnavigated that cart path 100's of times and have never encountered a car stopped in the cart path. This guy is doing it just right.

[sweetieboy]

Notice how the car (circled in yellow) is stopped past the cart crossing (red x).
Unfortunately this is the exception and not the rule.
Once I even saw the second car in line wait behind the cart crossing so as not to clog up half a dozen golf carts!


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/TwistedMom007/getsit_zpsb7724cd8.jpg

This guy is doing nothing wrong except possibly for the fact that his front end is a little bit into the traffic circle.

[graciegirl]

Notice how the car (circled in yellow) is stopped past the cart crossing (red x).
Unfortunately this is the exception and not the rule.
Once I even saw the second car in line wait behind the cart crossing so as not to clog up half a dozen golf carts!


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s139/TwistedMom007/getsit_zpsb7724cd8.jpg


How did you get this picture?

[marianne237]

We need more signs (ha) saying: "Golf carts yield to cars". There are a couple posted north of 466, and I can't remember exactly where I saw them, but rationally it's 1 ton cart vs 8 ton car.

[rubicon]

I don't think that a survey is important. I think that after you live here for awhile and drive around a lot, you sort of have certain opinions.

GG: Clever response:coolsmiley:

[MikeV]

When you are driving a car in The Villages, you should be respectful and careful of golf carts but must not forget that cars always have the right of way, so being courteous before the gate and allowing golf cart drivers to pass in front of you may "train" new cart drivers to think that it is their right and put them in potential danger.

I don't "get:" the photograph.

I totally agree with you Gracie.

[downeaster]

How did you get this picture?

Probably Google Earth.

[renielarson]

How did you get this picture?

I wondered about this also. Where did you find this satellite picture?

[DougB]

Yeah, I also notice how the car two to the right in the outside lane did not take the right turn like he/she was supposed to.

[pqrstar]

Yeah, I also notice how the car two to the right in the outside lane did not take the right turn like he/she was supposed to.

that car could have entered the circle from Morse and was going 1/2 way around

[ilovetv]

I agree with Gracie. Car drivers should not encourage and enable newbie golf cart drivers (or any driver) to think they have the right of way when they do not.

There are already enough terrible driving habits here without enabling golf cart drivers to assume that car drivers must yield to them.

[downeaster]

I wondered about this also. Where did you find this satellite picture?

Google Maps maps.google.com or Google Earth. If you need help finding and/or navigating these sites please feel free to PM me. I would be happy to help. I find Google Earth a great source of pleasure. I "travel" all over the world on Google Earth.

[BettyCrocked]

Gracie, you may be feeling witchy but I'm definitely in witchy with a capital B mode. And I don't go to coven meetings, which are normally held on Fridays. Just not a joiner. ;-)

Lol! People at coven meetings should be careful what they say. Never know who is who or who is incognito...

[graciegirl]

Huh?

[Sydney]

When you are driving a car in The Villages, you should be respectful and careful of golf carts but must not forget that cars always have the right of way, so being courteous before the gate and allowing golf cart drivers to pass in front of you may "train" new cart drivers to think that it is their right and put them in potential danger.

I don't "get:" the photograph.

:agree::agree::agree:

[redwitch]

Okay, my last comment -- this has nothing to do with gates. This has to do with stopping in the golf cart path when you come up to a circle or leaving a village. Not much of an issue south of 466 but very much of one north of 466. Think of it this way -- you wouldn't block a pedestrian crosswalk when you're turning, would you? Well, the golf cart path is akin to a pedestrian crosswalk, just doesn't have the white lines telling you it is. So, stay the heck out of them!!!!!

[Mikeod]

Okay, my last comment -- this has nothing to do with gates. This has to do with stopping in the golf cart path when you come up to a circle or leaving a village. Not much of an issue south of 466 but very much of one north of 466. Think of it this way -- you wouldn't block a pedestrian crosswalk when you're turning, would you? Well, the golf cart path is akin to a pedestrian crosswalk, just doesn't have the white lines telling you it is. So, stay the heck out of them!!!!!
Akin does not mean "same as". A pedestrian crosswalk is defined in the vehicle code and requires vehicles to yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk. The MM paths and cart paths are not "crosswalks". Further, the design of the roads and the landscaping that exists at the intersections sometimes dictates that a car has to pull forward in order to be certain it is safe to proceed. If, in doing so, I block a cart from crossing for a short time, so be it.

[graciegirl]

We were there the next day. Our Chrysler van would have stuck out in the circle if we had put it where Ms. Betty said to put it.

Always open to suggestions on being a kindly and nicely citizen.

Gracie.